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NeverMindTheBollocks

Funny how you never hear the term ‘Poverty Bay’ any more.
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January 16, 2025 8:46am
- pdm
  
  I will throw in:
  King Country
  Rangitikei
  Thames Valley
  
  and so it goes etc etc etc
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:52am
  - Jim
    
    National Park
    Taihape
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:32am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Rangitikei’s been renamed??
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:37am
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    Auckland – now Tamaki Makaurau.
    
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    January 16, 2025 11:15am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The woke will say it’s not fair
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:47am
Anthony Melchett

Did you hear that a music event in christchurch has different pricing based on race?

Yep, $20 for maoris and pacific islanders. $30 for everyone else.

Waiting for the media to jump on this and show their disgust for it…..

It’s like they want a civil war and I’m actually starting to think we need one.
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January 16, 2025 8:50am
- Local Miller
  
  Do you have a link to this?
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:40am
  - Yabster
    
    no link- this an email from Hobsons:
    
    I have had some good news… apparently because of my race, I get to pay less to attend music events organised by a group called Browntown than my non-Māori/Pasifika friends! 🤯🤯🤯
    
    Chris Lynch reports from Christchurch that tickets for a Sunday Session event featuring King Kapisi and others was initially advertised with different tiers for pricing based on race.
    
    “Early bird (for all Tangata): $15, Tangata Moana (for our Māori and Pacific Tangata): $20 and Tangata Tiriti (for our allies): $30.”
    Browntown was founded last year by Devyn Baileh, Grace Colcord, and Shea Wātene (pictured below) and promotes itself as “a platform for cultural engagement aimed at addressing racism”.
    
    Browntown founder and director Grace Colcord (pictured left), allegedly of Malie and Afega descent, was defiant in the face of criticism of their racist ticket pricing. She told Chris Lynch that it was “in line with our kaupapa” and “pricing models based on specific groups aren’t unique to this event. Many venues and organisations offer discounted pricing for children, seniors, students…”
    
    Not quite the same thing, mate.
    
    The group has received $35,000 in funding from Creative New Zealand’s Pacific Arts Fund. Another case of arts funding going to blatant racism.
    
    What Browntown haven’t got is an understanding of the Human Rights Act 1993 and how discrimination works! Or maybe they just don’t care?
    
    A Pasifika Community Leader who didn’t want to be named – probably because he would be harassed for daring to speak out – said:
    
    “This is a blatant attempt to manufacture victimhood, and Creative New Zealand fell for it. Charging higher prices for white people doesn’t foster unity; it drives a wedge between communities.”
    
    I couldn’t agree more. We don’t need this racist crap in New Zealand. What’s next? Separate drinking fountains?
    
    The manager of the bar Muy Muy, where the event is scheduled to be held, was unaware of the discriminatory ticketing and told the organisers to amend the pricing or face cancellation of the event.
    
    “At Muy Muy, we have a great sense of acceptance for all cultures and traditions. We support all communities equally,” Bugz Munasinghe said.
    
    Chris Lynch says that by yesterday afternoon, the wording for the ticket prices had been changed to “early bird, $15.00, Alofa Access Ticket $20.00 and Ally Access Ticket $30.00.”
    
    Not really an improvement.
    
    Peter, you and I both know that if the ticket pricing was arranged the other way, and Māori and Pasifika were expected to pay higher prices, there would be an uproar.
    
    I guarantee you, Chris Lynch wouldn’t be the only brave journalist reporting on it as is the case here. TVNZ would have a reporter stationed outside the bar calling for it to cancel the event. Stuff would have a journalist tracking the three Browntown organisers and writing full exposes on them and their immediate families. The Spinoff would spontaneously combust.
    
    It sickens me that this kind of thing is happening in New Zealand. It isn’t ‘progressive’; It is divisive.
    
    Shout out to Chris Lynch for covering this story. If only we had more journalists like him.
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:44am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Yabster,
      There will be plenty of white wokeists falling over themselves to pay more for their ticket to “get down” with their oppressed aoteanegroes.
      As long as there are no brown faces in the Audi on the way home they will call it a success.
      
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      January 16, 2025 10:03am
      - Gravelroad
        
        How are the organisers of this event going to judge who should be eligible for the discounted ticket prices for special people?
        Especially if there is an online booking system.
        There are plenty of white looking people who have Maori blood – rich and poor.
        
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        January 16, 2025 10:41am
    - cmm
      
      Sounds like Minister Paul Goldsmith (Arts and Culture) needs his cage rattled.
      
      Is he aware of this race-baiting in his budget? If so does he approve?
      
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      January 16, 2025 10:26am
      - OlderChas
        
        From what I read the MP(s) have dodged it completely saying it’s a matter for the Human Rights Commissioner.
        
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        January 16, 2025 10:48am
    - cmm
      
      I suspect the ticket price is the least of it.
      
      No doubt the “artistic content” of the event is also going to be filled with race-baiting too.
      
      Why would a white person attend and pay $20 – let alone a premium of another $10 – to be abused?
      
      Still, we’re paying for this divisiveness anyway. They are taxpayer funded to promote their division.
      
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      January 16, 2025 10:29am
    - Local Miller
      
      Thanks.
      
      “Chris Lynch says that by yesterday afternoon, the wording for the ticket prices had been changed to “early bird, $15.00, Alofa Access Ticket $20.00 and Ally Access Ticket $30.00.”
      
      Not really an improvement.”
      
      No improvement at all. Changing “Tangata Moana (for our Māori and Pacific Tangata)” to “Alofa”, and “Tangata Tiriti (for our allies)” to Ally is just semantics, the pricing is still race based.
      
      All us “Allys” should boycott.
      
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      January 16, 2025 10:51am
    - Sacha
      
      Well, I wouldn’t go, on principle. So they lost $20 right there.
      
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      January 16, 2025 11:13am
    - gravedodger
      
      I ask who will monitor the ticket applications to enforce compliance, or will a bit of face scribble or a large plastic Tiki suffice?
      
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      January 16, 2025 11:33am
  - Yabster
    
    found this link:
    
    https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/race-relations-commissioner-addresses-christchurch-ticket-pricing-uproar/
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:47am
    - RoboRob
      
      ‘Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith, who oversees the Human Rights Commission, declined to comment’
      
      Absolute PUSSY. FFS this isn’t brain surgery Goldsmith. Isn’t he also the guy keen to push ahead with Labours google tax to fund media outlets? Perhaps he needs to consider a switch to the Labour party?
      
      ‘Race Relations Commissioner Dr Melissa Derby addressed the pricing in a statement on Wednesday.
      
      “I’m pleased to hear that the racially tiered ticket pricing at this event has been removed and commend the organisers of the event for making the changes. While recognising the event organisers were well-intentioned in aiming to increase accessibility for their communities, there are alternative, non-discriminatory avenues which could also achieve the same outcome without the risk of perpetuating negative stereotypes about particular communities,” Derby said.’
      
      Hay Derby, changing the names to ‘Early Bird: $15.00, Alofa Access Ticket: $20.00, and Ally Access Ticket’ isnt exactly fixing the issue is it? Or can Joe whitey buy the Alofa ticket too?
      
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      January 16, 2025 10:19am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      So the organisers are just a bunch of racists. They admit it by charging different prices based on race.
      
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      January 16, 2025 10:53am
      - Gravelroad
        
        They spin it that there are precedents for different levels of ticket prices eg: discounted prices for kids, students, some beneficiaries and superannuitants.
        But, AFSIK, skin colour is not taken into account for these.
        Yet.
        But thin end of the wedge being applied here now, folks.
        
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        January 16, 2025 11:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Covered here by Bob Edlin
    
    https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2025/01/15/some-people-saw-red-when-brown-town-with-35000-of-public-funds-aimed-to-charge-new-zealanders-on-a-race-basis/
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:55am
  - Ehlana
    
    https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/christchurch-bar-threatens-to-cancel-music-gig-over-racially-tiered-ticket-prices/
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:30am
- Gravelroad
  
  This excerpt from Hobson’s Pledge message yesterday:
  
  “Chris Lynch reports from Christchurch that tickets for a Sunday Session event featuring King Kapisi and others was initially advertised with different tiers for pricing based on race.
  
  “Early bird (for all Tangata): $15, Tangata Moana (for our Māori and Pacific Tangata): $20 and Tangata Tiriti (for our allies): $30“
  This group has received $35,000 in funding from Creative New Zealand’s Pacific Arts Fund.
  (“Tangata Tiriti are apparently approved white citizens).
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:43am
  - Scooter
    
    If they are going to have separate pricing, can we have it in English or are they too ashamed to actually spell it out, a separate price according to race.
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:54am
  - Matt Long
    
    Where o where could one possibly find savings in government or departments to cut. It’s just too hard to find examples of waste.
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:05am
    - Paul Marsden
      
      Wasn’t Mr. Luxon going to do a line-by-line review of govt spending?
      
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      January 16, 2025 10:47am
- burt
  
  Yes comrade, no matter what else you do – keep dividing and separating people.
  
  Be kind!
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:07am
- nathie
  
  Will this finally see Pakeha/Maori supporters of “co-governance and partnership” now realise that the end game (as per the agenda of the radicals/activists) is supremacy and is essentially racist?
  
  Shame on them for enabling this!
  
  Time for some truth and reconciliation justice to make amends!
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:08am
- slightlyrighty
  
  reported 0n ZB Yesterday
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:19am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Yes. They’ve now rebranded the racial ticket categories as “Alofa Access Ticket: $20.00 and Ally Access Ticket: $30.00”.
  
  Does this breach any existing law? If so, there needs to be a prosecution, or others will follow suit. At the very least, the taxpayer funding of the organizers (“Browntown”) needs to be cut. The other day, someone on this site rashly pronounced that “woke is dead”. It sure as hell ain’t. We are facing a relentless Maori/Polynesian ethnostate agenda in this country.
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:45am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The owners of the venue are on to it, they have said they may pull the venue if this is not corrected
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:48am
Anthony Melchett

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360549327/police-probe-former-mp-after-complaint-shoplifting

Glorious. Golriz caught stealing again! But but I thought she learned her lesson and she only stole because people were mean to her and she really needs her practicing license so she can be a lawyer…

I wonder what it was, can’t see her being the beef fillet type..

Literally a career thief and should be deported.
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January 16, 2025 8:51am
- rangitoto
  
  New slogan for the Greens: “From the River to the Sea, Pak N’ Save will be free” (stolen from Sean P on X)
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:30am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Thanks that’s a great laugh for the morning!
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:49am
  - sungsamning
    
    OH, good one! Must send that to a couple of friends.
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:50am
- PurplePen
  
  Champagne. Yes, PakNSlave does sell it.
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:55am
- Scooter
  
  She’s a lefty so probably a cabbage or beans. Totally bizarre. I’d say it’s a compulsion, hard wired in the brain a bit like alcoholism.
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:00am
- GazzaW
  
  Pak n Save Royal Oak had a good range of premier champagnes in stock prior to Christmas.
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:28am
- Jim
  
  It’d be interesting to have the assets of some of our more prominent MPs audited as well.. Ardern couldn’t possibly have acquired her suspected wealth (before she left NZ) from her income. Additionally, Willie Jackson’s affairs need looking into too – reputedly the owner of 4 properties. For years he didn’t earn much as a union thug – and his parliamentary income couldn’t have managed it – so where did the necessary capital spring from?
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:39am
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    Corruption is the source.
    Ms Safe and Effective was on a good wicket for repeating her lies.
    
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    January 16, 2025 11:24am
- Sacha
  
  This article was from Jan ’24.
  
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  January 16, 2025 11:16am
Benedict Yu

IIRC people who steal from supermarkets like Pak n Save fall into three categories..

Criminal trailer trash.

Folk generally desperate for food and driven to desperation.

Mental illness.

In the current case being reported in the media, surely #3 is the only plausible explanation? If so, I do have sympathy for her, despite me disagreeing with literally every idea she ever expressed.
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January 16, 2025 8:57am
- All_on_Red
  
  Looking at the Greens you would have to wonder whether having a Mental Illness was a prerequisite for membership..
  
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  January 16, 2025 8:59am
  - David Garrett
    
    All on: Yes…to vary the old joke, “You don’t have to be mentally ill to be a Green MP…but it helps!” A very odd and motley crew…much worse than in my time, when several of them were reasonably sane.
    
    But even then they were distinctly “odd”; never ever mixed with MP’s from other parties, never had dinner or a drink at Bellamys. Of course at least some of that was they thought they were much better than the rest of us.
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:04am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Well, not literally. Belief systems are funny things. I would put the Greens in the same category as say Jehovas Witnesses or any other religious extremists.
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:07am
    - cmm
      
      Not at all.
      Jehovas Witnesses go away if you ask them to. They do not feel entitled to force their message on you.
      
      Greens on the other hand live in your pocket whether you like it or not. They do not go away.
      
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      January 16, 2025 9:18am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes good point. 👌
        
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        January 16, 2025 9:22am
      - MCōs
        
        I’m not sure who the Watch Tower people are, but they most certainly are persistent. I told them to leave my wife alone. She’s Thai and devout Buddhist
        Next minute
        A Thai cultist comes round and after being told to desist starts leaving notes in the letter box
        Mormons have also been around, but at least they helped in the garden and never come back again
        No Muslims, mainstream Christians . . .
        Had a few chuggers
        
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        January 16, 2025 10:25am
    - Anthony Melchett
      
      And those weirdos that dare to question the covid “vaccine”
      
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      January 16, 2025 9:34am
    - Yvette
      
      Benedict, you may put the Greens in the same category as say Jehovas Witnesses but –
      Simon Peter and another disciple were following Jesus. Because this disciple was known to the high priest, he went with Jesus into the high priest’s courtyard, but Peter had to wait outside at the door. Somewhere about John 18:15–27.
      I have found if you ask Jehovas Witnesses who was that Other Disciple, they say I will go and speak to an Elder visiting up the street, and they confer a moment and the disperse to bother other people.
      There must be some similar principle (if you can still use that word) which applies to Greens and their religion.
      
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      January 16, 2025 10:12am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        There must be some similar principle (if you can still use that word) which applies to Greens and their religion.
        
        Ask them to discuss the methods they personally use to take from the rich and give to the poor.
        
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        January 16, 2025 11:09am
- BananaLlama
  
  Society will forgive alot of things but something similar to theft as a servant is a pretty big no no, especially when that someone tries to have their previous conviction overturned.
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:02am
- Libertarians are right
  
  4. An overwhelming sense of entitlement and superiority – this is what I think it is.
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:04am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Marxism is based on taking property from someone else.
    She’s a marxist.
    She’s a thief.
    Therefore she’s a good marxist.
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:42am
- David Garrett
  
  Bene: Good on you mate…my position on this – presuming she is convicted – is pretty much the same as yours.
  
  It should also be noted that prosecuting shoplifters from supermarkets is extremely rare: if this does come to a prosecution I would think it is only because she has been warned, possibly more than once, and kept doing it. Which of course strengthens the case for some mental illness being the root cause of it.
  
  What a pair of softies we are!
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You will know better than me, but if convicted of theft twice, would that not make practicing as a lawyer problematic? Twice suggests a pattern.
    
    Also I’m just guessing here but most folk stealing from supermarkets don’t get caught the first time.
    
    What a mess for her.
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:25am
    - lifesgood
      
      Is kleptomania a mental illness? Serious question. There are other bad inclinations that don’t equate to mental illness so just wondering.
      
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      January 16, 2025 9:44am
    - David Garrett
      
      Bene: As I have said above, if she is convicted a second time – and as others have already pointed out, the first time was for FOUR different occasions – I would think it most unlikely that she would ever get a practising cert again. Stealing is the biggest No no for a lawyer.
      
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      January 16, 2025 9:54am
      - nigel2010
        
        David David David from the lawyers i’ve know stealing is almost mandatory it’s the getting caught that is the no no 😇😇
        
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        January 16, 2025 10:25am
  - cmm
    
    I would assume she has been trespassed in the past too.
    
    As I understand it, that is what they normally do: warn and trespass.
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:43am
    - GazzaW
      
      I’m pretty sure that Pak n Save Royal Oak has been trialling Foodstuff”s new facial recognition system as I’ve seen people refused admission to the store.
      
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      January 16, 2025 10:36am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    That, and the fact she said she’d never shoplift again……
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think there is a 4th category… which has blends of 1,2, and 3.
  
  It’s possible that she can’t cope.
  
  Her life has been upended and she has yet to come to terms with her new life: no salary, a much smaller/restricted social life, and possibly pressing debts….. on top of which she is dealing with a debilitating disease.. MS.
  
  I’m a great believer in always having a Plan B for when life turns to custard….
  
  But I’m not too sure what Golriz could do to reinvent herself….
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:17am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes.
    
    Also her face is quite recognisable. She will now be under suspicion wherever she goes.
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:29am
    - cmm
      
      “She will now be under suspicion wherever she goes.”
      And has proven that such suspicion is more than justified.
      
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      January 16, 2025 9:38am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    She could start by returning to her home country, instead of being a burden on this one.
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:35am
    - cmm
      
      Dreams are free, but being an NZ citizen this is home.
      
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      January 16, 2025 9:48am
    - imalwaysright
      
      What happened to the job at the Hague?
      
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      January 16, 2025 10:08am
  - lifesgood
    
    Please don’t bring MS into it. People with MS are generally not thieves.
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:45am
- EssenX
  
  All of the above?
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:32am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Well if it is #3 mental health, it just goes to show, she was never fit to be an MP or hold the position she had.
  Of course, some may argue (rightly) on here that it is a prerequisite to be a member of the Green party!
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:52am
- Scooter
  
  Or simply a narcissist, desperate to be the centre of attention.
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:10am
- RoboRob
  
  Why does everyone assume, from the three options, that ‘Mental illness’ is the answer and not ‘Folk generally desperate for food and driven to desperation.’?
  
  We have no idea of her financial situation. It is quite possible she was struggling on her MP wage let alone whatever benefit she is now on. She may have massive debts and have frittered away her MPs wage. I know people who struggle financially regardless of income due to financial illiteracy.
  
  Nobody has mentioned a gambling addiction but it is quite possible she has one. Now whether you could that as a financial issue or mental health is another question 🙂
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:24am
lastmanstanding

One of the many consequences of DEI hires is when they screw up neither they nor those who hired them admit a problem. They either cover it up or ignore it. When a white bloke screws up his is gone end of story.
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January 16, 2025 9:05am
artemisia

Maybe it was a loaf of bread and a jar of peanut butter.
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January 16, 2025 9:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It was a bottle of wine and 2 packets of coffee that ex-MP/ Minister Phillida Bunkle appropriated from Pak ‘n Save.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-minister-charged-with-theft/GBSSVCXLQQJU5G2GZTUB5FP5FQ/
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:22am
  - pdm
    
    Maggy – a member of The Alliance Party so Green Party aligned without doubt.
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:59am
dh

Israel and Hamas have agreed to a cease-fire deal that also ensures the release of hostages…

Maybe because Trump said all hell will break loose in the middle east if they weren’t?

Same as the 52 American hostages held in Iran for 444 days under Carter before being released when Reagan was inaugurated
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January 16, 2025 9:13am
- Matt Long
  
  Not a good deal unfortunately, Hamas is taking it as a victory.
  A few of the hostages, or their bodies in exchange for release of thousands of terrorists and giving territory back to Hamas.
  https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1879381595624263935
  https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1879563839349588098
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:46am
  - dh
    
    That’s unfortunate. Developing story.
    
    Given the chance in the future Israel and the USA should just nuke em all (terrorists) once the hostages are out of there.
    
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    January 16, 2025 9:57am
  - Paulus
    
    To Hamas there is no such thing as compromise. They will take this as a win until the next time they attack, again.
    Iran will need to replace their arms etc as soon as possible.
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:05am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    If Hammas break the cease fire as I am sure they will The Donald will offer ample assistance to Israel to crush Hammas for all time. The released terrorists will be terminated in that operation.
    
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    January 16, 2025 11:00am
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  They now know that Trump means business, even if they do think he is reckless and erratic.
  
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  January 16, 2025 11:37am
BeaB

RNZ tells us the shoplifting allegation was revealed by news media last night. It has been on X and other social media for the last week! Imagine waiting until Stuff and RNZ finally catch up with what’s going on.
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January 16, 2025 9:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh come on Bea,
  Don’t you think our intrepid investigating journos deserve a big long holiday break?
  
  Can’t have them rushing back to work a week before all the other muggins can we?
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:26am
  - sungsamning
    
    Indeed they do need a holiday. The unemployment variety.
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:57am
    - Steve Otto N Shore
      
      DCM.
      
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      January 16, 2025 11:39am
- sungsamning
  
  Yes, the MSM is a day late and a dollar short, as per usual. Yesterdays news the day after tomorrow.
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:57am
Damocles11

The video doing the rounds on social media of a beaming Luxon saying “Don’t worry, we’re going to spike it, we are going to kill it!” in regards to Seymours bill…it’s creating quite a stir. It’s Luxons absolute glee that galls, along with his fervent assurances that he will “kill it” and that racial separatists, the MSM, left wing agitators, DEI corporate wokesters, the Labour party and other enemies of the Right must not worry as Luxon has got their back. An imposter has been elected, another smiling Key-Ardern clone, another puppet positioned where they can sell us down the river. Luxon may have support from the apathetic and those tribal National types who feel better when ‘one of us’ is at the helm, but he is well on the way to being loathed by genuine Right wing people.
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January 16, 2025 9:18am
- imalwaysright
  
  Dam,
  Isn’t it ironic that the media, who hate him so much, can’t bring themselves to ask Luxon to explain his opposition to the ethics upon which his own party is based.
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:49am
- pdm
  
  Damocles – my first thought was it was a parody.
  
  That not even Luxon could be that stupid.
  
  Then again!!!!!!
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:02am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It is ffs
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:57am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Very disappointed.
  
  I would much rather that he calmly explained to people why the Bill is a bad idea. Then folk can have a debate.
  
  Honestly that is not leadership.
  
  The thing is though that AFAIK ACT has not moved in the polls. I have no idea.
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:19am
  - Morgan H
    
    I’d expect a bump in support for Act in the next few polls. And if Luxon keeps this up, it’ll be National’s expense. The Maori party got their bump because of their protest, at the expense of the Green party.
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:40am
  - Interested Party
    
    I don’t watch the news, but have heard Luxon on the radio on more than one occasion state his position. He’s aligned with NZ Firsts position – there are no principles, there is the treaty – just as the former Maori King stated. I think you will see over the coming year any laws referencing principles will be amended to remove the reference. Seymour’s referendum law may give you a sugar rush, but long term it will create issues as activists will now create confusion and misdirection as they will now be banging on about the treaty and the principles law – and overtime the principles concept will become embedded in our constitutional arguments. Leave the treaty as the only source of argument, adding principles to the discussion only muddies the waters ie constant arguments on what the principles are or should be when in fact there are no principles
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:54am
- RoboRob
  
  It appears that many of the key players in the Nats are from the ‘wet’ left of the party. Luxon and Goldsmith being obvious examples.
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:32am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What video? Put the proof up, he has never shown a personal wish to kill the bill, it’s the party, and NZF as well
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:56am
  - RoboRob
    
    Come on G. He is the LEADER of the Nats, whos call was it to pre annouce National would vote the bill down BEFORE it was even written? Do you really think the back benchers forced him into it?
    
    It is clear it was his decision, he has always fronted it and when other cabinet members are questioned on it you can see them squirm.
    
    We dont need the video, although I am sure someone will post a link, to know how he feels about the bill.
    
    You can support National and be anti left and still criticise actions and decisions of your ‘team’. Failure to do so makes you a sycophant and an ‘enabler’.
    
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    January 16, 2025 11:18am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Alas I suspect the Nats will be a one term Government with the dreaded three headed monster returned in 2026. Luxon will then be gone. He is proving to be one of the worst PMs with no leadership qualities. He is the Neville Chamberlain of our time.
  
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  January 16, 2025 11:03am
  - Morgan H
    
    The Maori Party is polling highest it ever has, so they will most likely be kingmaker position if NZ First doesn’t make it past the 5% threshold. I fear Luxon might work with them to get himself a second term.
    
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    January 16, 2025 11:11am
BeaB

Patrick Gower has been on RNZ this week and must hold the record for mentioning his own name – Patrick Gower, Paddy and even, cringe, Paddy G. The man is obsessed with himself.
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January 16, 2025 9:19am
- John Loveridge
  
  An absolute fucking legend, in his own mind.
  
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  January 16, 2025 9:41am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He does have a face for radio (only)
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:58am
Chuck Bird

I heard Tim Beverage intervening Chloe Swarbrick just after 8 this morning. Is a shame that the news did not come out on the radio until after the interview.
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January 16, 2025 9:25am
- pdm
  
  It was front and center of Stuff before 7am.
  
  Are newsrooms etc that insular they don’t even scan the opposition sites?
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:04am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It was on stuff last night when DPF removed comments on the post, it was already in public
    
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    January 16, 2025 11:00am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  If you are talk about GG then stuff had her name in lights last night
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:59am
cmm

Please let’s stop white-knighting and looking for victim cards. She’s a criminal and that’s that.

PTSD, MS. mental health etc are weak excuses. They do not justify behaviour.

Everyone who has lived in South Africa has experienced as much life trauma (and typically more) than GG has. So have real refugees.

Thousands of people have MS and other equally debilitating conditions (pain waiting for hip operations etc etc).

Hundreds of thousands of people in NZ have a host of mental illnesses.

A decreasing number of war veterans experience real PTSD.

Would someone offer “oh, he’s South African” or “oh, he needs a hip operation” or “oh, he’s a refugee” as an excuse?

If we really think that every South African, refugee or person in pain or with mental health issues is going to be a criminal then we’ve got some serious problems in society.

Allegedly, of course.
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January 16, 2025 9:33am
smttc

I see the World’s biggest bullshit artist has moved the dial again on ending the war in Ukraine.

First, it was 24 hours, one day even before he takes office.

Then he needs to take office to do anything.

Then it looks a bit harder than he thought. Maybe 6 months.

Now, its up to Putin.

What a guy!
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January 16, 2025 9:48am
- Ghost
  
  He is going to meet with Putin to try and bring about peace and you have a problem with that? Remind us again what the current administration has done to bring about peace or more to the point push the world towards ww3
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:06am
  - Greenheart
    
    Whilst any move towards peace is to be welcomed Trumps overly publicised meeting with Kim Jong Un did not produce any meaningful results. Perhaps he overhypes his abilities.
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:28am
    - Paul Marsden
      
      Even before Mr. Trump has taken office, a cease fire agreement has been reached in Gaza (lets hope it sticks). If you think this has been reached for any other reason than Mr. Trump coming into power, then you most likely believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden. It has nothing to do with Biden (the same deal was on the table back in May), so you might also argue that Mr. Trump’s eminent return to power, has already saved thousands of lives. And if Mr. Trump was in power at the time, Putin would never have had invaded Ukraine, as Trump would have blocked NATO’s ambitions to bring Ukraine into the fold. No way will Ukraine become a NATO member now and the future looks positive for a cease fire of some sort now too, in that part of the world. All thanks to Trump.
      
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      January 16, 2025 11:18am
  - smttc
    
    Nice attempt at deflection Ghost.
    
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    January 16, 2025 10:53am
    - Ghost
      
      So that’s a no on letting us know what the current administration has done? Perhaps you should actually give the next administration a chance to work for peace. Bet when a peace deal is worked we will hear nothing from you
      
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      January 16, 2025 10:56am
      - sungsamning
        
        You can bet the farm on that.
        
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        January 16, 2025 11:01am
- dh
  
  Given currently that the war is tilted in Russians favor it seems they have no reason stop apart from to save lives, but since when is human life valued in Russia.
  It would seem as though the US hasn’t enough leverage yet to bring the opposing parties to the negotiating table and settle the war in Ukraine’s favor.
  Trumps Ukraine envoy pick Keith Kellogg is not pro Russia by any stretch of the imagination but he has seen war and seems to understand the reality.
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:40am
- cmm
  
  hyperbole. I’ve told you a thousand times to look that word up in the dictionary.
  
  TPF: The war has been escalated significantly since that 24 hour statement.
  
  Bottom line is this – can the war be stopped? Whether it takes 24 hours, 25 hours or 24 days is rather irrelevant.
  
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  January 16, 2025 10:49am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Within days of Trump’s election victory Zelensky had the Ukrainian forces launch a massive offensive in Russia, making it considerably more difficult for anyone that actually wanted a peaceful conclusion to the war.
    
    At this point, Zelensky’s resignation is required for peace but he will not do it.
    
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    January 16, 2025 11:00am
Morgan H

Should we remove indecent exposure as a crime? I’m generally a libertarian so when a law exists for “I’m offended, stop that!” it bothers me. I don’t think the government has right to what I can and cannot wear. That is one of the reasons I’ve been on the fence with the gang patch ban.

We’re born naked so it’s weird to be so offended by nudity. You’ve even got prudes offended by bikinis and budgy smugglers. As Kiwis we don’t care what someone wears to the beach or pool. I don’t mean to sound racist but these complaints mostly come from immigrants who want to force their ways on us.
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January 16, 2025 10:30am
- cmm
  
  I think there is a difference.
  
  Gang patches are a form of stand-over tactic as would be waving your willy in someone’s face.
  
  Put certainly covering up to avoid upsetting some immigrant’s sensibilities is a step too far. FI or FO.
  
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  January 16, 2025 11:07am
Steve Otto N Shore

All the Homes are Gone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFpY2BYyBA8

Don’t get all upset ok?
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January 16, 2025 10:31am
Ehlana

From Politic this morning: “It seems (as far as ACT is concerned) that government spending is good when it’s on things they like; not so good when it’s things the rest of us like.
Associate Health Minister David Seymour says he is proud of … a big uptick in the number of medicines being funded.”

Aren’t funded medicines things the rest of us like?
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January 16, 2025 10:33am
Bridgenag

assessing the case for pardoning fauci
laundry vs legalism

“most of the american public have no idea that the NIH paid ecohealth to create covid 19 then their leadership lied about it. they have no idea the the NIH as an agency and its staffers as individuals were paid royalties by moderna and bioNtech (pfizer) to license the mRNA payload for their covid vaccines. they do not know that tony and the NIH staffers knew this all along and were taking aggressive and deliberate steps to sidestep and hide from FOIA so they could keep coloring outside the lines and feathering nests.
in our little slice of the world, this is common knowledge and common parlance, but in the rest? this is exotic information widely doubted and disparaged.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/assessing-the-case-for-pardoning?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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January 16, 2025 10:42am
- sungsamning
  
  A lot of the MAGA base want Fauci investigated, tried, and jailed if found guilty. RFK isn’t his best buddy. If he makes it to cabinet; Fauci will need a very good lawyer.
  
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  January 16, 2025 11:06am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8S61xO8Hx0
AfD Surging in Germany as Nationalist Populists Take Over Austria!
The fact that this is happening in Germany of all places which has been pounded with anti nationalist guilt for decades shows you just how dire the immigration situation is across the European continent fewer Europeans Germans in particular are allowing themselves to be guilt tripped which is very refreshing to see.
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January 16, 2025 10:43am
- cmm
  
  It would be interesting to see what the demographics are for AfD support.
  
  Are these younger people who have not lived under the cloud of German Guilt their whole lives?
  
  Or are these a generation who have bitten their tongue for their whole life and are now getting tired of it?
  
  We of course have the same thing going on in NZ on a different time scale. Whitey guilt will eventually run out.
  
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  January 16, 2025 11:12am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFOC894kiJk
Romania Erupting After Cancelled Election.
“Sorry but you all voted wrong. So we got to cancel elections until you vote the right way, our way.”
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January 16, 2025 10:44am
BeaB

Am waiting to see, when or if, the news begins again and RNZ can get back to work after nothing happening for weeks, whether the introduction of American English will continue. Left-tenant, route to rhyme with bout and clerk to rhyme with lurk are a few of the recent worst.
And the announcer telling us the percentage of NZ ‘wildfires’ being contained. I’d never heard that usage before the recent Californian fires.
It’s revealing too that RNZ counts only the Palestinian dead, including women and children (who are the rest?), and not Israeli dead. I guess if ever we are attacked RNZ will save all its sympathy for our aggressors and not us.
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January 16, 2025 10:51am
Bridgenag

The Real Villain Behind America’s Obesity: Seed Oils
Guest essay from David Gornoski
What are seed oils ?
Canola oil
Corn oil
Cottonseed oil
Flaxseed oil
Grapeseed oil
Hemp seed oil
Rice bran oil
Safflower oil
Sesame oil
Soybean oil
Sunflower oil

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/the-real-villain-behind-americas?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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