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Chuck Bird

I posted this yesterday afternoon. Think you to all who signed it. It would be great if you can get your friends and family to do so also. I do not know Bruce Willis but now he has started this petition to Parliament let us all help get people to sign it.

Petition of Bruce Willis: Remove Māori electorates

https://petitions.parliament.nz/d61fab3d-3766-4343-c409-08dd17f0dfb0
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January 12, 2025 8:04am
- Bridgenag
  
  Done Get all the family to sign
  
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  January 12, 2025 8:14am
- Yvette
  
  Would the petition – That the House of Representatives urge the Government to remove Māori electorate seats as recommended under MMP by the 1986 Royal Commission on the Electoral System – automatically remove the Maori Electoral Roll, because there would be nothing to vote for?
  
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  January 12, 2025 8:14am
  - pdm
    
    That should be the logical outcome Yvette.
    
    But, would it really matter if it wasn’t because The Party Vote is what determines the Government and that and General Electorates would be all that was available to vote on/for.
    
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    January 12, 2025 9:43am
- RoboRob
  
  Done, surprised about the tiny # of existing signatures.
  
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  January 12, 2025 8:44am
- pdm
  
  Petition signed.
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:03am
- NK
  
  Signed.
  
  I considered signing as Jack Nicholson. Lol. Imagine your name being Bruce Willis. Quite funny.
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:20am
  - pdm
    
    NK Some 15 or so years ago I managed a 48 person bowling tour to the Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast. One of the participants on that tour was named Donald Duck (true dinks).
    
    When I checked he was born a year before the Disney Donald Duck appeared on the scene.
    
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    January 12, 2025 9:47am
- Nobby2
  
  Done.
  
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  January 12, 2025 10:40am
G the giant from Dunedin

I wonder what lies and bullshit the media will fill us with today
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January 12, 2025 8:06am
Bridgenag

Climate Change and The Corruption of Science
Doug Brodie schools his new MP on the political dogma of climate change.

“This email explains why the only rational interpretation of the Uniparty’s ruinously expensive, destructive and pointless Net Zero agenda is that it is a malign attempt to cripple the UK economy and impoverish the nation and its people.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/climate-change-and-the-corruption?
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January 12, 2025 8:13am
- Chuck Bird
  
  This supports your post.
  
  IPCC pressure tactics exposed: A Climategate Backgrounder
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_8xd0LCeRQ
  
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  January 12, 2025 8:19am
- Dave
  
  That looks like an interesting email for me to read (thanks) later today, but the chances of a busy MP (or even his assistant) reading it past the first two paragraphs are about zero.
  
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  January 12, 2025 8:59am
Morgan H

I’ve got a question for everyone. If you were able to get one policy passed through parliament, what would it be and why?
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January 12, 2025 8:21am
- Clyde
  
  All references to the Treaty of Waitangi are removed from all Acts of Parliament, all Universities, schools and other educational entities, all Local Government bodies and all public services such as health etc.
  
  Reason is blindingly obvious. New Zealand is either a nation trying to get ahead, or a bunch of pagan tribes.
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:44am
  - Paulus
    
    Would never happen – New Zealand is too much a Socialist Country currently of the worse kind.
    
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    January 12, 2025 10:53am
- imalwaysright
  
  Reduce the government to 9 MPs and the public service to 300 people.
  Why?
  That’s all we need.
  
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  January 12, 2025 10:07am
- Mark Hanley
  
  Tow principals bill. Stop the siphoning of our money to lawyers and kaumatua.
  
  Then, spend the time and money improving everyone’s lives….. including Maori.
  
  Next, reduce all c02 and methane reduction spending to the bare minimum required to stop our trading partners from using global warming as a trade weapon.
  
  The Anthropological climate disaste[r] fraud has already bankrupted Germany and England, it is doing the same to NZ.
  
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  January 12, 2025 10:10am
- Don Beckett
  
  Withdraw from all Climate change/Global warming agreements, treaties, organisations & contracts.
  
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  January 12, 2025 10:36am
  - pdm
    
    I am with you on that one DB.
    
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    January 12, 2025 10:56am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    New Zealand would be the only country in the world to do so. The country would face ruinous sanctions.
    
    Even when Trump becomes President, he will not withdraw from the UNFCCC. The USA will continue to send giant delegations to the COP meetings.
    
    So no it is a terrible idea.
    
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    January 12, 2025 11:02am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Californian convicts (not violent ones) are able to volunteer to fight fires. They are trained and perform tasks such as scrub cutting to make fire breaks. In return they get time out of prison for training, credit against their sentence time and a very small payment.

Once upon a time we had Periodic Detention, which was a non custodial sentence but where the convict had to turn up on Saturdays to cut scrub. As far as I know, PD had been replaced by Home D.

It seems to me that some form of community service along the lines of California should be explored. Perhaps not firefighting, but removing noxious weeds such as wilding pines, Old Man’s Beard etc.

http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rwdjwglx2o
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January 12, 2025 8:30am
- Paulus
  
  Too many PD persons mainly of one ethnicity do not bother to turn up, with no consequences, as below them to do what was required.
  
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  January 12, 2025 10:56am
vand

Victor Hansen calls the LA fires a systems breakdown- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNU3v-yRTOo
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January 12, 2025 8:38am
Matt Long

Governor Newsome reduced fire control measures by some $100 million before the LA fires.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gov-newsom-cut-fire-budget-100m-months-lethal-california-fires
This is reminiscent of how Ardern is alleged to have loosened Firearms License vetting prior to the Christchurch massacre by the Australian eco terrorist.
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January 12, 2025 8:41am
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  Lefties sure do have an issue with not thinking things through.
  When it all turns to shit they just walk away.
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:28am
  - imalwaysright
    
    They have thought it through, as far as they are able.
    Marxism can’t grow alongside capitalism therefore the marxists first job is to destroy capitalism and then “Build Back Better”.
    Still waiting for the BBB!
    
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    January 12, 2025 10:33am
  - Don Beckett
    
    They don’t have the intelligence or foresight to take into account any unintended consequences – purely ideologically driven.
    
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    January 12, 2025 10:38am
Matt Long

Best unintentionally ironic fact-check of 2025.
“The claim that 60 fire trucks from Oregon were stopped in San Francisco for emissions testing is not supported by the available information. The relevant information indicates that Oregon sent a significant number of fire trucks and firefighters to assist with wildfires in Southern California, specifically the Los Angeles area. However, the stops for emissions or safety checks were reported in Sacramento, not San Francisco” – grok
https://x.com/_____USA___/status/1878132504374440181
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January 12, 2025 8:44am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  So, will California have to add the forest fires to their 2025 carbon emissions payment?
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:13am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No
    
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    January 12, 2025 11:03am
- kowtow
  
  I wonder what the DEI crowd think of what’s powering the huge Canadian fire fighting ‘plane they sent .
  
  But it’s been grounded following a collision with a drone .
  Unauthorised drone folk are a menace . A potentially deadly menace.
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

Professor Elizabeth Rata considers NZ’s future:

New Zealand’s future may be that of a prosperous first-world democratic nation or a retribalised third-world state controlled by a rentier elite.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/elizabeth-rata-ngai-tahu-ambitions-for-the-south-island
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January 12, 2025 8:48am
- Cassandra
  
  Rata has summed up the options accurately. The tribes, shrewdly, have momentum. They’ve captured the left; it’s now up to the Right to stop them. Is Luxon up to it? I fear Willis is on the left side. The rest of National is going to have to come to the party.
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:00am
  - Morgan H
    
    Luxon will follow whichever option he believes hurts his career the least.
    
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    January 12, 2025 9:04am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      Politicians are routinely forced to choose between (a) doing their jobs poorly in order to keep them, or (b) doing their jobs well and losing them as a result. No other profession faces such a perverted and illogical incentive structure.
      
      As their employers, it’s our fault and not theirs if they sometimes choose to protect their jobs and their income ratger than do what they think right. In fact, given the pressure that’s constantly on them to make poor decisions it’s actually a bloody miracle if any of them ever manages to make a good one.
      
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      January 12, 2025 10:27am
  - pdm
    
    Time for Chris Penk, Judith Collins, Suze Redmayne, Dana Kirkpatrick, Grant McCallum and others to step up to the plate and stand firm.
    
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    January 12, 2025 9:08am
  - NK
    
    “Is Luxon up to it”?
    
    Lol. Surely you know the answer to this question?
    
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    January 12, 2025 9:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    As long as Luxon keeps saying we are all equal as NZers, and there will be no separatist services then surely that is fine, no matter what is decided, the luvvies still try their own agenda, as we have seen, some have been pulled into line
    
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    January 12, 2025 9:47am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      He can say whatever he likes but his actions lead New Zealand in a different direction.
      
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      January 12, 2025 11:05am
- pdm
  
  I thought the following para re Ngai Tahu was telling!!
  
  `That contest may come if Ngai Tahu attempts to use its Treaty settlement to claim large swathes of the South Island. Acquiring ownership of public land, water, flora and fauna, minerals, and forests will turn the Ngai Tahu corporation from a productive to a rentier organisation. A rentier class gives little to a nation’s prosperity but takes much in rent from others’ investment and labour. It goes against New Zealanders’ interest to allow the emergence of such a class. Parliament will be forced to choose. Which will have priority — a rentier corporation or democratic citizenry?`’
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:06am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Waikato-Tainui- Auckland Urban Maori Authority nearly achieved their goal of owning water during Ardern’s reign.
    
    I doubt that they have shelved plans to be the premier rentier tribal conglomeration.
    
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    January 12, 2025 9:19am
  - Paulus
    
    Whilst all this is going on Immigrants from India will quietly do as they always do with their extended families, and run businesses, and stay out of trouble – and get rich, as many have done so already, and that can only increase – yes they work hard and long hours.
    Can only increase exponentially as families here grow.
    
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    January 12, 2025 11:00am
- Yvette
  
  An ahistorical understanding gives a sacred quality to human events, imbuing them with a spirit of timeless authority beyond human intervention. The 1840 Treaty of Waitangi and the post-1986 partnership principles are given this spiritual authority. It is seen in such phrases as the Treaty speaks to us today and in the fruitless search for a definitive Treaty meaning.
  
  The historical understanding is completely different. Events are understood to be created by humans and are of their time and place. What people create can be retained, changed, or discarded. It is not the ancestors, the fates or the capricious gods which control us. Democracy brings that power down to earth, to be exercised on our behalf by elected representatives without appeal to a spiritual authority. – Elizabeth Rata
  
  Like the “spirituality” which still maintains the Māori electorate seats – introduced to enable Māori representation in Parliament when only male landowners were entitled to vote in the 19th Century – but universal suffrage should have long ago rendered Māori electorates null and void, as all people who met the age criteria can now vote.
  
  Where in the Treaty does it say it is a “nation’s founding document”, to last 200 years or more?
  Why does the Treaty of Waitangi not begin, “We the People of New Zealand, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence …”
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:31am
NeverMindTheBollocks

If any more evidence of Joe Biden’s senility is required – he says he could have defeated Donald Trump in the recent election.

http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2v2pz38g8o
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January 12, 2025 8:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He is actually a sad state, he has said in the passed that he could beat Trump I think because he beat him before, but I don’t think he knows anything else, he is reminding me if my mum who is in the home and and memory slips, but it slips on important things, but she remembers the things that don’t matter
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:50am
kevn

Slowly it’s happening…
https://notthebee.com/article/report-facebook-and-meta-to-end-all-dei-programs-immediately
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January 12, 2025 9:11am
- imalwaysright
  
  I listened to Rogan interviewing Zuckerberg yesterday. It was quite a strange chat and came across as more like an advertorial.
  Z made lots of excuses and Rogan rarely challenged him.
  Absolution from Rogan seemed to be the aim.
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:41am
Dr John

I didn’t see Kiwiblog yesterday – the garden called. But I going to add to the discussion on covid vaccines.
Last September, my wife and I were traveling from Brisbane to Sydney when we chanced upon a display in a park in a coastal town. There were about 100 metal stakes driven into the grass, each one supporting a sheet of paper. And each sheet detailed the name, address, and photo of an Australian with a description of their illness – either debilitating or fatal – no, not following covid – but after receiving a covid vaccination. The display, we learned, was one of many scattered around Australia and was called ‘Forest of the Fallen’;
https://theforestofthefallen.com/picture-gallery/
So to those commentators who still believe our corrupt government [read ‘Jacinda’], the WHO, the WEF, and Big Pharma [“no one I know has been sick”] – Benedict, Dudley, and Giant come to mind – open your eyes, please! This experimental gene therapy is neither safe nor effective and has led to many deaths around the world.
Take a look at some excellent sites on the internet:
Courageous Discourse.
FLCCC [the Front Line Covid Care Clinicians]
Dr John Campbell.
And if you have the courage to read some interesting books, try:
Canary in a Covid World
The Courage to Face covid-19
The War on Ivermectin
Moving Beyond the Covid-19 Lies.
I won’t be holding my breath!
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January 12, 2025 9:12am
- Observer of Life
  
  Well said Dr John. I know several people damaged. And if you’re not hearing stories, I believe it could be because you are firmly in the “denial camp” and those damaged (or know damaged people) won’t be telling you because of your stance. If there’s one international Dr that might possibly change your mind, it would be Dr Pierre Kory. Can I suggest you hunt him out and read/listen to him.
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:54am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Article this morning here
    
    https://open.substack.com/pub/lillyics/p/dr-pierre-kory?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
    
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    January 12, 2025 10:55am
- JackRabbit
  
  Thanks for posting.
  
  These metal stakes are like military cenotaphs, paying respect to those who have fallen in a war. But there are those that like to pretend it did not happen. Similar displays were at the Wellington protests, and VFF/NZDSOS conferences protests / roadside vigils.
  
  People in denial no doubt drive past those stakes and say “It’s a conspiracy theory”, without taking the time to stop and read.
  
  The people in the photos and stories were real people with real lives. But not real to those that wil not stop and confront the facts.
  
  What do these people do when they drive past a stake and photo or flowers, at the scene of a high profile car accident, where a child/children or youths lost their life? Do they drive past muttering “Its a conspiracy theory, its all bullshit” ? What if it was their child, and they heard someone saying that?
  
  Empathy is lacking with these people.
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:58am
- imalwaysright
  
  There was a very good reply from Jackrabbit yesterday on GD. This isn’t about posting links to convenient reports or to “fact checkers”, its about real people getting sick and in some cases dying.
  So far.
  
  “JackRabbit
  … Japan studies are frequently problematic.
  
  Specifics please. A generalised statement is not evidence….”
  
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  January 12, 2025 10:15am
  - Ghost
    
    Problem is sometimes people actually do get sick and die. There was a heart attack that happened in my town, instantly became a Covid vaccine death. Person was a patient of my doctor, wasn’t vaccine related despite the gossip
    
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    January 12, 2025 10:52am
    - pdm
      
      If my memory is correct someone who died in a mv accident was cited as a covid death.
      
      Jacinda and co pulled all of the strings to get their desired outcomes.
      
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      January 12, 2025 10:59am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Not all Maori think that someone else is to blame. This guy gets it. All power to his arm.

https://ngaitahu.iwi.nz/opportunities-and-resources/publications/te-karaka/maori-victims-of-crime-tk79/
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January 12, 2025 9:31am
Steve Otto N Shore

Trump to release JFK files.
Will they be heavily redacted? How much are the CIA/FBI hiding? Will only some be released?
Who is behind holding them back for 63 years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcdeXtLB3CI
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January 12, 2025 9:46am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Might be a move to gut CIA or FBI
  
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  January 12, 2025 9:53am
Steve Otto N Shore

Amazing what you find when looking up something else on Youtube.
US Politician shuts down protester in the House 6 years ago. “I yield back!” Hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WolVEMFbUcs
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January 12, 2025 10:00am
Steve Otto N Shore

Trump on hostages held by Hamas.
He means business.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORCdseWgR7M
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