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CJames

Something that is very much going under the radar is the deregistering of Waipareira Trust. Coming out in one paper on Friday before Xmas holidays is not really coverage – more like coverup of bad news in “Take Out the Trash Day” . The Trust knew this was going to happen back in September, according to their just released accounts. Maybe it explains Winston’s comments in the House. Why the secrecy with the cone of silence descended?
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December 21, 2024 8:00am
- Souvlaki
  
  Yes….note the posting time…after 5pm on Friday before Xmas.
  Wonder how SFO are getting on?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/regulator-to-deregister-waipareira-over-political-donations/J4QUMQ2PMFEVVMCBF7QQ325Z4A/
  
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  December 21, 2024 8:02am
- peterwn
  
  To publicise it would be racist and unfair to those subjected to ‘colonisation’ in the early days.
  
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  December 21, 2024 8:11am
  - G152
    
    Those subjected to colonization and those who colonised are long dead, A treaty was signed to preserve rights.
    No problem until politicians stuck their noses in. And now we have children screaming in Parliament
    
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    December 21, 2024 9:32am
- artemisia
  
  From Herald 20 December (paywalled) – Regulator to deregister Waipareira over political donations
  
  A four year investigation, obviously doesn’t happen overnight. But 4 years? Really?
  
  The decision follows a four-year investigation by Charities Services into Waipareira that has seen settlements reached and breached, accusations of racism, and Charities Services staff complain about bullying behaviour from Waipareira’s lawyers.
  
  However, appears from the article that the Trust has filed an objection to the intention to deregister, and this was being considered by the Charities Review Board.
  
  In any case, the Trust’s assets can be transferred to other registered organisations or face a tax levied across accumulated assets. Based on Waipareira’s reported financial position, this one-off tax could amount to $30m.
  
  If the Trust’s objection fails, is saving $30m in tax likely to be seen as well worth transfer of assets to carefully chosen charities? I couldn’t possibly comment.
  
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  December 21, 2024 8:19am
  - rouppe
    
    Yes that distribution is interesting.
    
    On the one hand JT will want to keep his arms elbow deep in the money so is keeping $60M worth losing $30M, or is distributing $90M to related entities alongside restructuring so he’s still got access to it all the way to go…
    
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    December 21, 2024 9:48am
    - david
      
      Surely the “proceeds of crime” legislation could be brought to bear. That could cast a wide net over JT’s personal assets as well if applicable.
      
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      December 21, 2024 10:35am
    - peterwn
      
      Both the Trust and Sanitarium make operational profits which are currently not taxable. If Sanitarium’s operational profits are going to be made taxable then surely this should apply to that Trust etc. Sanatarium’s profits are used to give aid to people in the Pacific (NZ also gives aid). Indeed as far as I know Sanatarium was set up as a fund raising venture (like op shops but on a much greater scale).
      No doubt Waipareira will fight tooth and nail to retain charitable status both politically and through the courts as Greenpeace successfully did some years ago.
      
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      December 21, 2024 11:06am
- cmm
  
  Of course the first reaction is “racism” – kinda ironic from the most racist organisation in NZ.
  
  Well this whitey is getting rather bored of the white guilt line. I had hoped to leave it behind me in Africa 32 years ago, but it is just growing (both here and there).
  
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  December 21, 2024 8:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh come on,
  Waipareira Trust has been down this road many times before…
  
  https://www.waipareira.com/johns-column/we-are-not-under-investigation-by-the-charities-commission-or-the-serious-fraud-office
  
  Do you really think deregistration of one of the many entities JT controls is going to make one scrap of difference to his empire?
  
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  December 21, 2024 9:06am
  - Swifty
    
    You make a very good point that this is not necessarily fatal and that, of course, there will be appeal processes that Tamihere has tens of millions available to exploit.
    
    What would be fatal is the government ceasing the funding of Waipareira. Permanently.
    
    I look forward to them doing so.
    
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    December 21, 2024 9:27am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , Winston First can bark all he likes , but until he actually puts our money where his mouth is and cuts off all their funding , I’ll not hold my breath.
      
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      December 21, 2024 10:25am
- kowtow
  
  While the front page proclaims a relatively unimportant story with headlines about nudey pics and a washed out sportsman , NZME tuck the really important story on p2 , along with a quote from Tamihere to the Herald;
  
  “Your needs are of no concern to us Maori”.
  
  Well now they’ve been told and the Herald should heed it and get off pushing the race divisive barrow and back to being a reflection of what the rest of the nation is about.
  
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  December 21, 2024 9:14am
  - JJ56
    
    No coverage I can see at other online media this morning, and NZ Herald now gone from front page.
    
    Maybe it didn’t happen.
    
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    December 21, 2024 9:45am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    The woman whose pictures got shared won’t find it unimportant.
    
    Unfortunately for Carl hayman his rugby career is over so he was actually charged.
    
    If he had done this at the start of his career he would have been let off…
    
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    December 21, 2024 10:51am
- rouppe
  
  The story does disclose something I want aware of.
  
  They’re talking about deregistering Waiparera Trust from the charities register, but they can still continue as a charitable trust, taxed at 28% vs ordinary trust at 39%.
  
  I thought a charitable trust WAS a charity, paying no tax.
  
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  December 21, 2024 9:52am
CJames

Brendan O’Neill over at Spiked eviscerates all those trendy useful idiots who wear the Palestinian scaff as a “solidarity” virtue signalling. In the NZ context, I’m looking at you the Watermelon MPs. As he writes “Whatever happened to the sin of cultural appropriation? “. He points out that in a great sense of irony showing the unthinking activist’s stupidity, the scarves are made in China, likely by slave labour. Queers for Palestine having pronouns of was/were if they ever went there gets a mention too.
Well worth the read https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/12/20/the-cult-of-the-keffiyeh/
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December 21, 2024 8:01am
- Clyde
  
  One of the recent wearers of these terrorist scarves was this Jack Brazil character. For those that don’t remember him, he was shot while in a car with another male in Dunedin. Made his way to some medical help – I can’t recall any prosecutions over the whole mess, but he has then appeared in Dublin charged with looting a shoe shop during some riots. To round it off he was number 20 on the Greens Party list for the last election.
  
  So, gets shot while in a car with a male, gets arrested while looting, has no money, no assets, wears a Hamas scarf – my question why was he ranked so lowly by the Greens? With this sort of background he should be outgunning the member for Mexico. I’d say he has cause to complain, wouldn’t you?
  
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  December 21, 2024 9:04am
  - kowtow
    
    White male in Greens .
    
    Low ranking.
    
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    December 21, 2024 9:49am
    - Paulus
      
      Assuming that Menedes March is actually a Man it will be OK !
      
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      December 21, 2024 10:19am
    - PurplePen
      
      I would have thought shoe shoplifting would have him sky-rocketed up the ranks.
      
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      December 21, 2024 10:28am
  - CJames
    
    If he is #20 on the list, there is still a fair chance he will make it to being an MP before the next election. With all their losses, where are they up to now?
    
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    December 21, 2024 10:33am
  - rouppe
    
    Unfortunately a conviction doesn’t seem to exclude a candidate.
    
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    December 21, 2024 11:03am
- AitchW
  
  Do pay attention CJ.
  It’s. Different. When. The. Left. Does. It.
  Always.
  Forever.
  
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  December 21, 2024 9:20am
- GazzaW
  
  Keffiyahs from NZ$2.97 and large Palestinian flags from $3.95 are available online from Temu or Alibaba. I have to mention that there is also a large selection of Israeli flags available. Large Maori flags start from just $1.67.
  
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  December 21, 2024 10:53am
peterwn

The Supreme Court has been having an end of year clean out and issued 15 odd decisions in the last few days (admittedly some seem ‘procedural’). It begs the question of whether the Court is processing its workload in an expeditious manner. I thought things had come a long way since ‘Bleak House’.
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December 21, 2024 8:18am
- artemisia
  
  Dickens had Jarndyce v Jarndyce. New Zealand has Waipareira Trust v Charities Services – Phase 1 …..
  
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  December 21, 2024 8:25am
artemisia

People can now subscribe at the below link for the Ministry for Regulation newsletter.

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December 21, 2024 8:27am
- PurplePen
  
  Thanks. Done. I really do hope this quango actually delivers real change and delivers swiftly, and in abundance. Unlike the last Seymour quango the Productivity Commission. Time will tell and we’re watching. Well, I’m watching.
  
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  December 21, 2024 10:37am
Tomtoddy

Did you notice how little coverage there was of COP29, held in Baku, Azerbaijan. It was a total flop, achieved almost nothing and did the cause of climate change no favours at all.

Many delegates went home early, fossil fuel advocates manipulated events and the third world dominated the process, demanding massive handouts from the West.

In a word the whole COP process is stuffed. It always was just a jamboree for the arrogant, the “had-to-be-there-and-be-seen” crowd, the misguided, indoctrinated kids, the “hands-in-the-till” scientists, the power-hungry politicians and the awestruck media.

It is amusing watching the old adage that “money talks” come into play. When Europeans realised they were paying four and five times more for energy than they should, they woke up and rejected the craven politicians running the show.

British farmers drove their tractors into town causing havoc when they got their first demands to pay.

When the third world woke up and realised they were going to be deprived of the very essentials that made the first world rich, they started flexing their muscles. They dominated COP29.

China and India didn’t need to wake up. They always knew climate change was a crock. They were never going to pay.

Is this the end of the road for the whole “the world is on fire” nonsense. No. It’s a massive oiltanker that cannot be stopped in a minute. But it looks more and more like the beginning of the end.
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December 21, 2024 8:30am
- cmm
  
  You have to sing from the climate change song sheet to be able to get access to various funding, jobs etc.
  
  If you don’t mention climate change, of colonialism, or ,,,, in a grant application, then chances are it won’t be prioritised.
  
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  December 21, 2024 8:49am
  - PurplePen
    
    Agree. Bumped into someone who’d only been in the country 3 months and they were applying to Ak uni for funding to complete a PHD. I suggested there were better universities in Australia. I was going to suggest they put in a few words such as Te ao Maori, motu, tamariki as that would guarantee the funds. Remained silent as I thought, bugger off. This person is just another grifter on the taxpayer purse and a foreign one at that.
    
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    December 21, 2024 10:43am
    - peterwn
      
      I had something like that. An immigrant (he had been around a few years) was hired at my workplace and assigned to my group. A month later he applied for leave of absence to do an engineering degree. I thought he had a cheek and I had a hunch something was not right so I recommended ‘no’ and my boss concurred. We were over-ruled up the food chain and he was granted the leave and told the university that. The faculty told our liaison guy he had already tried the degree and flunked papers. He suggested my employer check such peoples’ academic records a bit more carefully in the future. I felt vindicated.
      Then a few dud employees were placed in my group, I had enough at that point and found another job.
      In the current case hopefully the University will check his academic record a bit more carefully and may find his original PhD enrollment was with some mail order ‘university’.
      
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      December 21, 2024 11:35am
- Paulus
  
  The Conference Organisation and Facilities, Hotels, and Women, we are told did a great job for the economy of Azerbaijan.
  I think I saw that 35,000 people were there, and the airport was so full with jets from attendees, that some had to be parked elsewheres.
  I am sure that many countries are fighting for every so called Conference that they get for their economies and Koha en route.
  
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  December 21, 2024 8:50am
- Albie
  
  Excellent post Tomtoddy. I watched Dr Patrick Moore’s latest interview on You Tube last night. Well worth a watch. A most credible commentator on the climate change nonsense we are being indoctrinated with.
  
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  December 21, 2024 9:05am
- pdm
  
  National’s man Minister Simon Watts took Jimmy Shaw along for the ride didn’t he?
  
  To what purpose?
  
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  December 21, 2024 10:22am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: Do You Hear What I Hear?
Promises, promises…

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-do-you-hear-what-i?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 21, 2024 8:47am
CJames

Winston is in fine form – attacking the Maori Party for threatening companies who have gone for fast track approval.
https://x.com/winstonpeters/status/1868860313577169274
I believe Mr Luxon would be really happy with Winston and David as his attack dogs. They can say things he can’t and he can just say it is their policies, not necessarily his.
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December 21, 2024 8:47am
- JackRabbit
  
  “Release the Hounds.”
  
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  December 21, 2024 9:03am
  - Cassandra
    
    I prefer “Let loose the Dogs of War”. A Kiwi classic (even if R Crowe calls himself an Aussie now).
    
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    December 21, 2024 9:51am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      The original is from Julus Caesar by Mark Anthony
      
      “Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs of war”
      
      When the Commander Shouted Havoc, the troops were allowed to get into a fallen city and rape, murder and pillage as was their want.
      
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      December 21, 2024 9:58am
  - Paulus
    
    Surely from Shakespeare, I think, “Release the Dogs of War” !
    
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    December 21, 2024 10:21am
- imalwaysright
  
  “They can say things he can’t…”
  
  He can, but he won’t.
  
  He needs to realise that it okay to state a position and later change it if new evidence appears.
  
  His climate change policy is being rapidly undermined by facts, and his non support of the treaty bill is being rapidly undermined by the publics growing realisation of the scale and corruption of the treaty industry.
  
  The only group that would criticise his reversals would be the media and maori activists.
  They would be dwarfed by the increase in public support.
  
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  December 21, 2024 9:23am
- peterwn
  
  A metal box substation caught fire and power was out. Most expedient way to restore was digging up and rearranging a few cables. A guy came out of his house and started moaning about his shrubs being wrecked. Another guy (a retired City Engineer) approached him and said ‘These guys have a job to do so F*** off!’ The people trying to get the power on could not really have said this, but that guy could and it sorted things. I have remembered this when odd incidents arose. For example a woman was arguing with a bus driver. I told her in a loud voice to ‘hurry up and get off the bus’ which she did giving me a dirty look (she would have been quite out of place on the Clapham Omnibus – totally unreasonable).
  So no doubt Chris Luxon is grateful for help from his coalition minority leaders.
  
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  December 21, 2024 10:06am
kiwikidsnz

Oh, no….this can’t be true. IIRC around a decade ago the EMAs CEO was forced to resign for even suggesting it.

“The hidden costs of periods could be more than $4 billion a year…work efficiency”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/537313/the-hidden-costs-of-periods-could-be-more-than-4-billion-a-year
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December 21, 2024 8:54am
Bridgenag

Avian Influenza: Updated Threat Assessment
Has the threat changed? Is CA Gov Gavin Newsom’s State of Emergency justified?

“Sometimes I feel like a broken record when writing about infectious disease-based public health threats. There are real threats, such as multi-drug resistant Tuberculosis, but these are rarely discussed. And then there is the psychological (eg. information) bioterrorism, the fear porn, a hyped narrative concerning an existential threat repeatedly injected into public discourse and then intentionally amplified to the point that it becomes perverse and, in some cases disabling obsession for many.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/avian-influenza-updated-threat-assessment?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 21, 2024 9:00am
Bridgenag

BREAKING: In latest threat to German democracy, dangerous fascist Elon Musk tweets six words about Alternative für Deutschland

“If any of these people sincerely believe that Musk’s tweet will have any influence on the German elections in February, they are clinically insane.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/breaking-in-latest-threat-to-german-ea3?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 21, 2024 9:05am
Keith White

Meanwhile, a car drives itself into a crowd of shoppers celebrating a Christian holiday in Germany, killing (at least) several and maiming (at least) tens more.

We may never know the car’s motive…
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December 21, 2024 9:18am
- MCōs
  
  The driver has been arrested and at least 11 people are dead.
  https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c1j08p44w9kt#player
  
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  December 21, 2024 9:54am
  - CJames
    
    According to the Herald, it was a Saudi doctor and he also had an explosive device. No doubt a lone wolf.
    
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    December 21, 2024 10:48am
- Damocles11
  
  The ‘Religion of Peace’ strikes again.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360531537/car-has-driven-group-people-christmas-market-germany
  
  ‘According to reports from local media Die Welt, the suspect is believed to be from Saudi Arabia.’
  
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  December 21, 2024 10:11am
- sirknz
  
  $1uff headline states ‘suspect from Saudi Arabia’.
  
  That’s a funny way to say ‘Muslim’.
  
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  December 21, 2024 10:23am
- rouppe
  
  The suspect is reported to be a 50-year-old from Saudi Arabia who was working as a doctor at the Magdeburg Clinic, according to Bild newspaper.
  
  A doctor?!
  
  What is wrong with these people…
  
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  December 21, 2024 11:13am
Inandout

Some types hate Christmas.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/public-safety-and-emergencies/traffic-and-transportation-incidents/magdeburg-christmas-market-latest-at-least-one-dead-after-car-drives-into-crowd-in-attack-in-germany/ar-AA1wf7rq
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December 21, 2024 9:27am
- Southern Raider
  
  Was videos circulating of thousand of Muslims in Germany protesting before this at the Xmas market in Germany as they claimed it was an offence to Islam and they wanted all Xmas festivities cancelled,
  
  There are other videos from around the world of Muslims destroying public Xmas tree displays.
  
  The religion of tolerance and no threat to the west.
  
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  December 21, 2024 9:32am
  - Inandout
    
    SR, Germany is on the cusp of a return to right wing politics and we all know where this can potentially lead to. If you recall a couple of years back the Sallies Nativity scene was considered offensive by some Muslims but as they don’t yet have the numbers it failed. Even supermarkets have dropped the ‘Happy Holidays’ chant.
    
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    December 21, 2024 9:51am
    - kowtow
      
      Right wing ? You mean sensible,common sense stuff .
      
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      December 21, 2024 10:51am
  - kowtow
    
    Can’t be true.
    
    Legacy media haven’t reported that.
    
    ‘Wilkommen!”
    
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    December 21, 2024 9:55am
Chuck Bird

It is good to live in NZ.

At least 60 injured as car drives into crowd in German Christmas market ‘terror attack’

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/at-least-60-injured-as-car-drives-into-crowd-in-german-christmas-market-terror-attack/KESQOAUDBJCJ7JOB3XIMZS52FA/
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December 21, 2024 9:34am
- Cassandra
  
  Those driverless cars are not fault free, apparently.
  
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  December 21, 2024 9:52am
  - MCōs
    
    Don’t be a clown
    
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    December 21, 2024 9:55am
  - Damocles11
    
    ‘According to reports from local media Die Welt, the suspect is believed to be from Saudi Arabia.’
    
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    December 21, 2024 10:12am
- kevn
  
  Chuck… The perp has been ‘arrested’.
  https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1870189731159372038
  
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  December 21, 2024 10:29am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    A 50 year old Saudi in a rental car.
    
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    December 21, 2024 10:36am
    - kowtow
      
      A medical doctor ,there since 2006 , according to one report.
      
      “Wilkommen.”
      
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      December 21, 2024 10:50am
kiwikidsnz

Meth-using killer driver avoids jail
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/537323/waikato-woman-drove-high-on-meth-with-kids-in-the-car-killed-beloved-80-year-old

Soft option charge as usual.
“Manslaughter generally refers to a homicide arising from an unlawful act or failure to act, where death could not reasonably be expected to result.”
https://teara.govt.nz/en/violent-crime/page-2#:~:text=Manslaughter%20generally%20refers%20to%20a,reasonably%20be%20expected%20to%20result.
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December 21, 2024 11:07am
- cmm
  
  Death could not reasonably have been expected?
  
  Nah, dying after being struck by an uncontrolled multi-ton lump of metal travelling at high speed is a pure freak accident…. along with the other 300+ road deaths in NZ.
  
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