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Steve Otto N Shore

Elon Musk wants to start one war against George Soros that could change everything.
Musk is just the man to do it. Nobody else has the dollars.

https://patriotpulse.net/elon-musk-wants-to-start-one-war-against-george-soros-that-could-change-everything/?
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December 10, 2024 8:03am
- Simon
  
  Musk and his rockets to no where.
  
  Musk is a technocrat, has secured his heavily govt subsidy reliant businesses. Outstanding genius business man. Backed the right horse. Nothing else.
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:09am
  - imalwaysright
    
    “Outstanding genius business man. Backed the right horse. Nothing else.”
    
    You’re hard to impress Simon.
    
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    December 10, 2024 8:45am
  - RightNow
    
    Rofl
    
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    December 10, 2024 8:51am
  - david in Aus
    
    He was integral to his businesses. Tesla’s manufacturing processes such as gigacasting for automobiles are game-changing. That was his decision and idea. He fired those that said that it couldn’t be done. The same for SpaceX. He has revolutionised internet connectivity in remote areas and underserved regions.
    
    I didn’t particularly like Musk when I first came across him. My first impression of him was as a man who called a cave rescuer in Thailand a “Pedo”. However, as you know a person more, you see the whole picture.
    
    He has done more for the planet than 99.9% of people. More than presidents and prime ministers. That is how he should be judged, flaws and all.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:07am
    - Colville
      
      99.99999 % of people.!
      
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      December 10, 2024 1:58pm
  - Skippytony
    
    Geez Simon, many people (including me) think Elon is the most important person alive today.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:33am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      And me…. he’s a genius with a vision to help human kind.
      
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      December 10, 2024 11:55am
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    Nothing else?
    Do you envy him?
    
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    December 10, 2024 10:56am
  - Gussy Fink-Nottle
    
    Outstanding businessmen do not buy significant assets in order to lose billions and tell major sponsors to ‘go fuck themselves’.
    
    The man has quite different motives.
    
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    December 10, 2024 12:31pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Why stop at Soros? Hopefully he goes after the entire loon show that inhabit the WEF.
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:15am
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    Gotta help drain that swamp first.
    Dems are now terrified. Musk needs to watch his back.
    
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    December 10, 2024 8:54am
- lastmanstanding
  
  IMHO the increase in The Maori Party polling is down to two things.
  
  1. The rise in the number of radicalised young Maori.
  2. The failure of the Luxon led National Party to deal with racial issues.
  
  Both are problems that unless dealt with and soon will lead to serious law and order issues. The Maori Party is a racist aparthied organisation set on dividing our society for its own ends. It needs to be cauterised.
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:37am
  - greybeard
    
    3. Dodgy polls.
    
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    December 10, 2024 8:44am
    - john1234
      
      Bump from the car-koi.
      The dopey kids saying they’ll vote for TPM will soon forget about all that and go back to their instagram following soon enough and TPM will sink back to their natural 3% level.
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:25am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Correct,
        it will be the same as the Women’s Rugby World Cup. Lots of fans were there for the atmosphere and the hype.
        Now, the only thing you hear at a game is the echoing of the players voices calling for the ball.
        
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        December 10, 2024 10:07am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      3 dodgy polls. Labours internals, this other polling company they no one has ever heard of and Morgan were all put to the sword as dodgy snd bullshit by two main stream polls yesterday saying the dodgy polls were bullshit
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:03am
      - pdm
        
        I would not call Morgan pollsters dodgy.
        
        If my memory is right they were closest to the actual results in I think both 2014 and 2017.
        
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        December 10, 2024 1:05pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    A small number of National votes moved over to ACT, a small number of Labour voters moved over to TPM. No real change in the seats for the left or the right, except TPM is now a more natural coalition partner of Labour, oh joy for them. Notice the media while trying to stir up opposition to the coalition don’t want to go anywhere near what a left coalition will look like. Voters could have chosen that combination last year but didn’t. We are two years out from an election, lots of water to go under the bridge between now and then.
    
    I suspect a resurgent economy (finally), in 2026 will be the vote winner then as the cost of living and the economy are at the forefront of most peoples minds. Other priority issues can wait their turn, if the economy isn’t sorted then it doesn’t matter what happens in those other areas as we will be screwed anyway.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:26am
    - leoj
      
      The move towards ACT, if it holds, is a little larger than small.
      
      So true that much water has yet to travel under the bridge but one can only hope that in 2026 just two parties will have enough support to govern.
      
      Luxon needs a wake up and with Peters out of the way and a resurgent ACT party, Luxon might realise what is really going on.
      
      It will take Seymour to stiffen Luxon’s linguini spine.
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:52am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        O ly one poll out of the 5 we have seen have Act taking support from Nats, and no way Nats have lost 10% support in 3 weeks, it’s utter delusion to think so, it will be somewhere between the Curia poll and the varian poll is where it lies, but let’s not forget just how big the gap between left and right is, it was 16 seats and that’s with the 3 overhang seats gone now TPM are now out polling their electorate seats
        
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        December 10, 2024 10:30am
      - Paulus
        
        My vote perhaps seat National, my other vote possible ACT, so guess on the poll what I am, and what you can say on that !
        
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        December 10, 2024 10:52am
      - pdm
        
        G don’t panic too much about Maori Party votes.
        
        They will quickly come back to the 3% range which is their natural habitat. Plus of course whatever electorate seats they can conjour up.
        
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        December 10, 2024 1:08pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Varian Poll had no Nat voters going to Act at all, 37% for Nats the last 3 polls, and Act on 8% in this poll Gteens lost support to TPM. Greens have a real worry on their hands, as they are not a Green Party they are activist, and it s as pleads the young are going with TPM .
      
      In the Curia poll some support went from Nats to Act but no way Nats have lost 10% of their support in 3 weeks
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:26am
      - RoboRob
        
        Yes, I was very surprised. Two reliable polls showing little harm to National. You were correct about the prior recent polls. They look like the outliers!
        
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        December 10, 2024 10:36am
    - AitchW
      
      As the Maori party picks up votes from the Greens and Labour it becomes more likely that we’ll see a Labour/Maori/Green coalition some time in the future.
      How many dead rats will Labour have to swallow to get that over the line?
      How much damage will it do to New Zealand economically and socially.
      The answers, I suspect, are lots, heaps and truckloads.
      God help us all.
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:41am
    - Sacha
      
      My under-cover informant tells me that 2028 will be the year of stabilisation. Maybe.
      A win in ’26 will be on a promise.
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:50am
      - Jack5
        
        The Maori Party is showing how to use social media to recruit, to proselytize, to brain-wash.
        
        Time for National, ACT, and NZ First to wake up.
        
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        December 10, 2024 4:33pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    More bullshit about Luxon. Fact is one news Varisn poll has had Nats stable on 37% the last three polls, so no Nats are not having any impact on staying in the centre where MMP has pushed them. Yes TPM is being filled by radicals, and many young idiots think this is the way, they may not think this once TPM get into cabinet and start taking land of kiwis and pushing farmers off the land. TPM has as ready taken support from Labour, the hikoi has now seen the greens lose support to TPM (most them idiots have been radicalised) nowhere can you see Nats support dropping
    
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    December 10, 2024 10:01am
    - RoboRob
      
      TPM has a great advantage here as the MSM are totally on board with TPM, the head political editor for TVNZ was on the protests! So instead of the crazy, immature radicals they are, the media portray them as defending the mainstream view.
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:45am
    - Paulus
      
      TPM are relying on radicls to actually go to the Polls next time, or will they not be available to do so, as I believe prisoners cannot vote.
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:53am
  - G152
    
    Make them finance themselves
    
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    December 10, 2024 11:11am
- peterwn
  
  Reminds me of the sparring between Scrooge McDuck and another billionaire duck in Donald Duck comics. They were caught fighting in a public place – the Judge imposed a meaningful sentence – he fined them 10 oil wells each.
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:52am
  - peterwn
    
    I could not remember the other billionaire duck’s name. It has now come back to me – Flintheart Glomgold.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:17am
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    In NZ those two would have got 2 months on the couch with a bracelet.
    No sarc.
    
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    December 10, 2024 11:07am
  - Ghost
    
    I was watching a judge sentencing a teen driver in the USA for killing someone while driving drunk, 16 years jail. Watched another judge with the person before him saying fuck you judge. For the 4 times he said it he got 90 days each in jail. One lady, 90 years in jail for abusing her child.
    
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    December 10, 2024 11:15am
- Ra Henare
  
  Unfortunately, when figures become famous and public they suffer from know all syndrome!
  
  Musk is a great technocrat and big picture thinker.
  Jordan Peterson is a great psychologist.
  Luxon is/was a great Corporate Manager
  
  The problem arises that they then seem to think they due to their public exposure are experts on politics.
  
  I listen to them when they are “”in their lane”” otherwise i scroll on down, flip the page, whatever.
  
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  December 10, 2024 4:57pm
Simon

National are big on the economy apparently. This is important for National as they regard the productive as tax chattel because Maorification of NZ and a DEI public sector aint cheap
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December 10, 2024 8:04am
Chuck Bird

What does Dame Patsy Reddy know about science? She is a lawyer so is good with spin. I wonder how she was chosen and if anyone else was considered.

New Climate Change Commission Chair appointed

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-climate-change-commission-chair-appointed
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December 10, 2024 8:08am
- pdm
  
  She wasn’t too flash as NZRU President or whatever `top dog’ position she had there.
  
  The Provincial Rugby people will be pleased to see her gone.
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:19am
  - MCōs
    
    She is the Chair of the Board
    According to the NZR blurb
    “Former Governor-General Dame Patsy has had extensive experience in governance and consulting roles in both the private and public sector. She has served as a non-executive director of Telecom Corporation, Sky City Entertainment Group, Air New Zealand, New Zealand Post and Payments NZ Ltd. Dame Patsy also served as Chair of the New Zealand Film Commission, Deputy Chair of Waka Kotahi, and Chair of Education Payroll Ltd. She has also had significant involvement in governance of creative and charitable organisations.”
    
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    December 10, 2024 8:50am
    - GazzaW
      
      Dame Patsy’s experience in the governance of creative organisations should come in handy at the Climate Change Commission.
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:38am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        That was the same for Carr. He had not science background but thought he knew more about methane than experts with science degree and specialized in methane.
        
        The Chief Climate Change Commissioner should have a science degree.
        
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        December 10, 2024 10:03am
    - Burtland
      
      Reddy steps down as NZRU chair at the end of the year
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:59am
      - pdm
        
        Burt – David Kirk takes over.
        
        No names I recognise from the provinces stepping up – shame.
        
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        December 10, 2024 1:13pm
      - Jack5
        
        They don’t mention much now about Patsy Reddy’s rise in the business world via Brierley Investments.
        
        She was the Brierley legal counsel for 11 years, was involved in many mergers and investments, and, proposed by Brierley’s, was on the board of Air NZ and Sky City Entertainment.
        
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        December 10, 2024 4:56pm
    - Paulus
      
      So, is she a Greenie ?
      Must be for the job.
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:55am
- Grunter
  
  IMO – Her parents named her appropriately…..
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:46am
- Handyman
  
  My dear Chuck, the Climate Change Commission has nothing to do with science.
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:55am
- Burtland
  
  Al Gore’s acolyte, Catherine Leining is gone along with James Renwick, replaced by
  
  Felicity Underhill – a hydrogen proponent complete with an arts degree
  Devon McLean – conservationist and predator free
  
  so more of the same from uninspiring Simon Watts
  
  https://www.asia-hydrogen-summit.com/speakers/felicity-underhill/
  https://www.temanahunaaoraki.org/our-story/our-people/devon-mclean/
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:54am
- artemisia
  
  I’d say at that level it is more important to be a critical thinker with a strategic mind. Too much specific expertise can end up mired in the weeds.
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:40am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Artemisa,
    you have hit the nail on the head.
    Critical thinking is a missing factor in sensible discourse
    Examples abound in KB.
    
    Recently I have been contemplating the human species, need to belong. We are often described as a tribal species. Nothing to say we can not belong to different tribes of thinking.
    
    The recent US election showed up tribal thinking, with the support of Harris by those of the Democrats Tribe.. They would have voted for a donkey if it was what the Democrat tribe wanted.
    Of course, a similar tribalism was at play with the Election of Trump.
    
    The same tribalism shows in many different settings. Examples include
    Climate Change – those who fear the planet will die
    Religions. Jews and Muslims, Catholics, etc. All have their staunch defenders
    Citizenship. Kiwis seem to support the All blacks because they are NZ.
    Many many other tribal groups.
    
    Along with critical thinking comes the ability to critic one’s so-called tribe. This ability to critic one’s own tribe causes outbursts of venom and scorn from those remaining cocooned in tribal think.
    
    Again, many examples here on KB.
    
    For reference. Tribal think=Groupthink
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/basics/groupthink
    
    Critical thinking
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
    
    I have been very curious since early childhood, which has led me down the path of being considered contrarian.
    
    Which by its nature makes me question somewhat emotional statements, especially on forums like Kiwiblog, Facebook and other groups.
    
    Needless to say, I get abused by the emotive tribal members when I suggest, after research and critical thought, that something they are emotionally attached to, often is factually untrue or has other interpretations.
    
    However, I must say that my daily reading of KB has given me nearly 20 years of reflective thought. So to those staunch members of many tribes commenting here
    
    Thank you for challenging my thinking.
    
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    December 10, 2024 5:21pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It smacks of the failed ‘a good manager can manage anything, without having subject matter expertise’ ideology.
  
  I thought that went out the door with the last lot. Disappointing not to see a Peter Gluckman-type science-communicator in the role.
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:48am
  - Matt Long
    
    I’m waiting with baited breath for the CCC to announce they too have received the coveted Rainbow Tick.
    
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    December 10, 2024 12:17pm
- judith8409121
  
  government appoints someone without any understanding of actually what’s going on but will ‘decarbonise’ New Zealand in the exciting attempt to strip NZ and NZers of wealth and future. She apparently has some cult belief in using Hydrogen – so that will do nothing of worth but waste NZers money
  
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  December 10, 2024 12:46pm
- Ghost
  
  I thought you were telling us and betting your money on it being James Shaw.
  
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  December 10, 2024 1:00pm
Bridgenag

Pensioner convicted of incitement for posting negatively about migrants in the latest politically charged German speech prosecution
If her conviction is not overturned, the woman will probably not live long enough to pay off her enormous fines.

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/pensioner-convicted-of-incitement?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 10, 2024 8:09am
Yvette

Registered nurse standards of competence
October 2024
Te Tiriti o Waitangi is a living document shaping Aotearoa New Zealand’s commitment to health equity, diversity, inclusivity and social justice. The Council is committed to Te Tiriti o Waitangi as the overarching framework for the standards of competence for enrolled and registered nurses, ensuring that public safety and culturally safe care are at the heart of the profession.
https://nursingcouncil.org.nz/common/Uploaded%20files/Public/Publications/Consultation%20Documents/Standards%20of%20Competence%20Consultation%20Nov%2024/Registered%20nurse%20standards%20of%20competence.pdf

• Conduct a comprehensive review of all legislation (except when it is related to, or
substantive to, existing full and final Treaty settlements) that includes ‘The Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi” and replace all such references with specific words relating to the relevance and application of the Treaty, or repeal the references.
– Coalition Agreement, New Zealand National Party & New Zealand First

In what way does the New Zealand National Party / New Zealand First Coalition Agreement cover the Registered nurse standards of competence?
Far as I see, it doesn’t.

What was actually needed was a statement that the New Zealand Government and all its departments and services are secular. No ethnic or religious entity is to be detracted from, or emphasised over any other.

Perhaps a journalist with enough intestinal fortitude could ask David Seymour why this fourth right was missed off his list?
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December 10, 2024 8:10am
- Burtland
  
  woke nurses – “ToW is a living document shaping Aotearoa New Zealand’s commitment to health equity, diversity, inclusivity and social justice.”
  
  maori king -“There’s no principles, the Treaty is written. That’s it.” and ToW (should) be written into legislation so politicians “can’t change nothing”.
  
  treaty dissonance – twisters verses traditionalists
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:14am
- Sacha
  
  Goodness, who’d want to be an RN today? When I was working all we had to do was to honour our training to do the best we could to restore our patients to good health.
  The way they talk, you’d think we all were Maori, not a mix of Asian/ European, with dashes of African, Indian et al.
  And Maori bodies function pretty much the same as everyone else’s, some good, some not so. That includes their brains.
  I’d simply refuse to join in this cultural nonsense, and be unemployable.
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:59am
Bridgenag

The True Cost of Wind Energy
Wind energy is one of our MOST EXPENSIVE options!

“ The takeaway is that — despite what the lobbyists are pitching to the non-critically thinking public — the real cost of wind energy is 2-3 times the cost of nuclear and other conventional sources of electricity. Solar is higher than that!”

https://open.substack.com/pub/criticallythinking/p/the-true-cost-of-wind-energy?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 10, 2024 8:10am
- kevn
  
  UK weather data…
  https://dailysceptic.org/2024/12/09/massive-cover-up-launched-by-u-k-met-office-to-hide-its-103-non-existent-temperature-measuring-stations/
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:12am
  - JackRabbit
    
    More modelling.
    
    “If we did have a temperature sensor in that location, we this is what the temperature would be.”
    
    “72”. If the UK met office staff that concocted that bullshit had a brain this is what their IQ would be.
    
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    December 10, 2024 8:37am
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  NZ is in a downhill spiral. Soon the lights will go out and your EV will stay at home – and so will you. No Power means no work.
  NZ has to stop the childish nonsense and just go Nuclear, never mind the protests. Notice that protesters don’t mind visiting Countries that do have Nuclear Power? hypocrites!
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:21am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    It looks like Dutton will be PM in Oz and they will go nuclear.
    
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    December 10, 2024 8:26am
    - Steve Otto N Shore
      
      There is a good website called “Nuclear for Australia” started by a young guy named Will Shakel. He is switched on.
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:03am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Right. Also, an old guy called Dick Smith.
        
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        December 10, 2024 9:15am
      - Ian Boag
        
        I found this thoughtful analysis of nuclear for NZ …
        
        A Nuclear Error — But I Have No Fear? Assessing whether the Time has Come for New Zealand to Embrace Nuclear Energy Brendan Abley*
        
        It’s not as drawn out as the 1978 Royal Commission report (324 pages!) and most of what he says makes sense.
        
        The biggest issue he raises is that a single power plant would produce just under 25% of the national power requirement. Nukes (for efficiency and safety reasons) usually run at full noise – they do baseload power with no load-following. I know it’s low probability stuff, but an outage (for whatever reason) would have pretty awful consequences.
        
        SMRs might be a solution, but we won’t see a reasonable number of these in service – with an established track record – for at least 10 years. If submarine powerplants were suitable for this we would have seen zillions of them already. Above my pay grade.
        
        And the waste problem is non-trivial on account of how NZ doesn’t have a lot of (any?) deep and geologically stable places to put it. Finland and Canada have found repositories but most other countries are still working on it and the waste is sitting in cooling ponds.
        
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        December 10, 2024 1:30pm
  - MCōs
    
    NZ won’t have nuclear power in your lifetime because even if public disquiet was overcome and a suitable location was identified the initial cost would be all too much for a penny pinching National government to shoulder
    
    * Do you know how much they cost?
    
    * Where would you locate it?
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:05am
    - john1234
      
      You say “penny pinching” like it’s a bad thing. We desperately needed a government that is careful with our money, after 6 years of the other mob who pissed countless billions against the wall.
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:29am
    - Skippytony
      
      Sadly, I agree with you. If St Elon invented a guaranteed safe, $5.00 to build nuclear reactor that you could mount on a 6 X 4 trailer we still wouldnt use them.
      
      I also think the chances of building additional hydro capacity are zero.
      
      Oil or gas powered? Yeah right.
      
      So, how that going to work out for us?
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:40am
    - GazzaW
      
      ‘Where would you locate it?’
      
      The cries of “NIMBY” echoed across the land.
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:42am
      - MCōs
        
        I’ll start
        There’s no way I’d like to see one in Mangere Bridge and I’d be extremely surprised if anyone would want one in their suburb
        North Shore would be fine with me
        
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        December 10, 2024 10:11am
      - Taieri
        
        There’s no way I’d like to see one in Mangere Bridge and I’d be extremely surprised if anyone would want one in their suburb
        ————–
        
        Why would anyone build a nuclear power station in Mangere Bridge?
        
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        December 10, 2024 1:35pm
      - Ghost
        
        South Island power company wanting to put one in the safest place for the South Island?
        
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        December 10, 2024 1:47pm
      - MCōs
        
        I don’t know why anyone would want to put one in Mangere Bridge. I’m responding to Gazza W’s NIMBY comment
        
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        December 10, 2024 3:45pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Suitable locations are already well known for NZ.
      
      https://archive.org/details/nuclear-power-nz-1978
      
      There was a Royal Commission of Inquiry on the topic of nuclear generation. Have a read.
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:03am
      - Steve Otto N Shore
        
        There is a Torrent. I’ll open it on my larger desktop comp later.
        First I have heard of this, thanks.
        
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        December 10, 2024 11:43am
      - MCōs
        
        That report came out 46yrs ago
        Thinking might have changed in the interim
        
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        December 10, 2024 3:52pm
    - RoboRob
      
      The westinghouse small AP300 unit costs ~1bn USD (2bn NZD). Thats less then a ferry terminal or a 3km rail loop with two new stations!
      https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/04/westinghouse-announces-a-small-nuclear-reactor.html
      
      The full size AP1000 costs between 6bn USD (12bn NZD) and 25bn USD depending on location etc. This could drop significantly as more a produced.
      
      With regards to location I would sugges Huntly as a possibly start. It has water and the existing transmission lines. Its proximity to Hamilton and Auckland would mean less transmission loss. This would have MASSIVE savings for Transpower who are looking at upgrading the cook straight cable etc.
      
      Nuclear SMR can be located near demand (as opposed to solar, wind and hydro). The cost savings in transmission lines and maintenance alone more then balance the initial build cost .
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:13am
    - Steve Otto N Shore
      
      How much they cost? SMR $50M to $3B.
      They will never be cheaper than right now.
      Location? To me that does not matter, except for water supply. They are safe. This is not 1986 Chernobyl.
      
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      December 10, 2024 11:38am
      - Steve Otto N Shore
        
        Clarify – water for cooling, not for drinking.
        I know some would be thinking that. Bad wording.
        
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        December 10, 2024 3:18pm
    - Matt Long
      
      It has to be the North Island and the obvious place is the basement of the Sky Tower.
      
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      December 10, 2024 2:10pm
      - Steve Otto N Shore
        
        It can be smack in the middle of Takapuna beach for all I care.
        In 2024 Nuclear is safe, and clean. Don’t expect a Green nutter to understand that.
        
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        December 10, 2024 3:20pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  My personal experience with solar energy is that it has been an incredibly good investment.
  
  Our 5.3Kw rooftop system paid for itself in 6-1/2 years and has worked flawlessly.
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:23am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Do you have batteries?
    
    Was the investment at retail or wholesale?
    
    With your background and tech skills I can’t see you paying retail.
    
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    December 10, 2024 8:29am
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      We do not have batteries but looking into it.
      
      Our business purchased the solar system on the retail market from World Solar and got the GST back.
      
      We do have tech skills (are an electronics manufacturer) and got tired of running around turning ON and OFF various loads during the day as the solar panels produced more (or less) energy. We developed an intelligent solar controller to automate those tasks.
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:40am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Thanks for the update.
        
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        December 10, 2024 12:49pm
    - RoboRob
      
      I have solar hot water, which is also great and was super cheap to install. Free hot water most of summer.
      
      Have been looking at PV solar. With regards to batteries, stuff I have looked at suggests the repaymnet term is much better without batteries and that they are mostly usefull where you either want to avoid outages or want to go off grid.
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:19am
  - wsk12345
    
    There is a big difference between the economics of solar on rooftop vs grid scale.
    
    Rooftop, depending on your power company will pay you a set rate regardless of the wholesale price at the time. It will likely also put you into a low user tariff so your daily line charges reduce by half. Essentially you are just reducing demand during the day if it’s sunny.
    
    Solar farms sell into the wholesale market and unless the owner has a large generation portfolio located on the same side of any major transmission constraints, will have a highly fluctuating value. At times it will be zero if it’s sunny and windy. Solar also imposes alot of costs on other participants which they currently do not bear. Generators other than intermittent (wind/solar) are required to provide services such as free governor action (free frequency response essentially). Having large uncertainty in volume’s close to dispatch affects the ability of other generators to act efficiently eg maximising the value of water. And as solar/wind volumes increase, we could end up forcing thermal plant to bid a negative price to avoid having to shut down during the sunny/windy period because of the way dispatch works. Most thermal plant is made to run 24/7 /365 and doing otherwise is inefficient. The costs imposed on thermal generation dur to intermittent gens will all be passed on to the consumer….
    
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    December 10, 2024 8:58am
    - Burtland
      
      everyone just got donged 25% extra on their line charges because of this stupidity
      
      https://comcom.govt.nz/regulated-industries/electricity-lines/electricity-lines-and-transmission-charges-what-are-they,-why-are-they-changing-and-what-does-this-mean-for-your-electricity-bill
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:26am
  - Spam
    
    We have solar, too. And it will take about 8 years to pay back.
    But when it is night time, or the sun isn’t shining, we can just suck from the grid. Not so easy for NZ steel or rio Tinto or Fonterra to do this.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:12am
  - Handyman
    
    Well done cruz and good luck with your investment. It pays to be an early adopter.
    
    Rooftop solar anecdotes remind me of the saying that the “dosage makes the poison”. A little bit of water is essential; too much and you drown.
    Similarly with rooftop solar. A little percentage is fine, both to the general population and to the panel owner. However, over a certain level (and California has reached this point) the grid cannot handle the amount of rooftop solar generated and squeezes out base generation. The problem is that the voltage is stabilised by heavy rotating turbines so without them the voltage goes crazy and collapses the grid.
    
    Other examples of the “dosage makes the poison” where a little is good but too much is bad are:
    1. Charging EVs at home is OK for the first few users. After that there is not enough power in the cables to power the street. Your coffee jug is 2kW and a commercial very fast charger is 360KW. There simply aren’t enough big cables underground.
    
    2. Living off grid with septic tanks is OK but does not scale beyond small towns.
    
    3. Wine.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:28am
    - JackRabbit
      
      1. Charging EVs at home is OK for the first few users.
      
      I have always said that if EV users really want to be truly innovative and Green, instead of virtue signalling, their purchase of an EV should be accompanied by roof top solar.
      
      And of course unless they are a vampire, they want to drive by day and charge by night, get batteries.
      
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      December 10, 2024 12:53pm
  - Fender
    
    good for you, same could be said for the early ev adopters, got all the perks and subsidies, pity the system doesn’t expand out and would collapse if everyone did it but good on you for seeing a gap and taking personal advantage. just like someone getting into a good share or investment at the right time really, before it crashes and takes many down with it. Take the win and enjoy it,
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:54am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Well of course it is, that is why the cost must be spread and hidden behind fines on fossil energy (aka carbon “charges”).
  
  Sorry about those high power prices, and the destruction of your industrial base, and the unemployed workers… but think of the climate?
  
  Oh, and those exemptions for Chinese and Indian coal fired power – well they are a developing country you know…
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:59am
Steve Otto N Shore

Treaty Issues Poll December 2024. Curia Research.
This may have been posted, I don’t know.
Hobson’s Pledge email this morning.
“The disproportionate cheerleading Te Pāti Māori receives from the media is not a fair representation of the beliefs of the New Zealand public. The promotion of their activism as righteous and justified is distorting the true picture of an electorate that prioritises unity and human rights.
This polling demonstrates that Te Pāti Māori’s views on the principles of the Treaty and how the country should be politically organised are out of step with the great majority of voters, even including voters who support Labour and the Greens. Te Pāti Māori are radicals and in a minority.”

https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/treaty_principles_poll_dec2024?
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December 10, 2024 8:10am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  It will be interesting to compare this with TV1s Treaty principles poll tonight
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:14am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Maiki will go full Martin Luther King.
    
    Yes, she is that stupid…
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:26am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Jenna Lynch.
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:56am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I don’t think Maiki will be quoting Jenner Linch
        
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        December 10, 2024 11:50am
- Souvlaki
  
  And on a similar theme….who heard the trainwreck Luxon interview w HDPA on ZB this am.
  Luxon continues to ‘ dis’ his own supporters in the Curia poll who think Seymour is on the correct path!
  He’s dogmatic that ” the people” are wrong..HE is ‘right’. How long will his caucus colleagues continue endure this Messiah like belief?? Those lower down the list will be getting tetchy!
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:20am
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    Luxon needs to be rolled.
    
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    December 10, 2024 8:22am
    - john1234
      
      LOL!
      Zero chance while the coalition is polling well enough to retain power.
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:31am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        It’s not a laughing matter, those comments led to Bridges being knifed, and then what happened?
        
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        December 10, 2024 11:03am
      - Matt Long
        
        What happened, the Ultra Woke took control of National.
        
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        December 10, 2024 2:18pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Bollocks, what happened last time we listened to the media and dumped Bridges, what happened to support? Let’s stop the bullshit, I think if he thinks it’s time to move a side no will, I don’t think he wa ever going to be there a long time
      
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      December 10, 2024 11:01am
  - lifesgood
    
    I don’t think you actually listened to what he said.
    
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    December 10, 2024 8:32am
  - Scooter
    
    Listening to Luxon at the Post Cabinet Press Conference, I think he probably let Jenna Lynch (Sean Plunketts aka agenda lynch mob), get away with asking the same question re the ferries 4 or 5 times just to prove what a useless and obviously one sided journalist she is and not too smart.
    
    As they say “Is it better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt.”
    
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    December 10, 2024 10:43am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      People keep saying he is a train wreck, nothing he did yesterday was a train wreck, he handled the fool Lynch, what else is he to say, every pm has stated we don’t talk about what happened in cabinet
      
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      December 10, 2024 11:04am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He has to hold the centre, if he loses support to Act do be it, but if he loses support in the centre then we get Hipkins greens and TPM careful what you wish, he knows where MMP elections are won, no poll said will you flock to Act over one issue, even though NZF would stab the bill anyway, without nzf Nats can obtain and it won’t make any difference, in fact it may well happen that they obtain from the vote from the second reading
    
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    December 10, 2024 10:59am
- pdm
  
  Surely Christopher Luxon will get the message and come on board now.
  
  Or is he too stubborn to admit his mistakes?
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:21am
  - Souvlaki
    
    …….people with Messianic complexes almost never give up self belief….regardless of evidence….
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:00am
  - Grunter
    
    He is not too stubborn IMO – he just shows every sign of simply throwing out all the woke nonsense lines of a centre-left governor. Indiginous rights, global boiling, DEI, ESG, Alphabet people…… He actually ‘beleives’ in all this magical woke thinking.
    
    And, yes he is better than the far-left parties who are now essentially trotting out communist policies each day (just look at the recent Greens climate policies!). So not a good benchmark to judge Luxon on at all.
    
    Seymour knows he can play the long game with his Treaty Bill. Yes it will get voted down, but that will be 12 mths out from the next election and Seymour will be Deputy PM – what a great position to be in for ACT.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:01am
    - Yvette
      
      Grunter – Seymour knows he can play the long game with his Treaty Bill
      
      The grounds on which the Treaty Principles Bill suffers a demise, may be the basis for a major Election issue of the necessity for a simple Principles Only bill.
      Like two suns in the sky and the necessity to reduce that to a workable one again …
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:14am
  - Fender
    
    He is a personal friend of Jacindas, Wasn’t there talk that he could have stood for labour at one point. Hes hardly a strong traditional farmer nat type. they are not mistakes, he was never the person you thought he was.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:59am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Only if he wants to lose the centre, then this time next year he trailing in the polls
    
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    December 10, 2024 11:05am
    - Fender
      
      or he by definition of being seen as strong and decisive which people naturally follow he actually takes the center with him on a journey to the right, seen it done before in other countries, particularly one in South America comes to mind, wouldn’t it be great to have someone charismatic who stood for something honest and sensible to lead the weak on a journey,currently the only one remotely like that is Brian Tamaki and I’m not suggesting hes the answer, but hes the type
      
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      December 10, 2024 12:40pm
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  TPM are so visible yet so completely out of step with the rest of New Zealanders that we can again question (ironically) what’s in it for them? Expensive cars, flash houses…….
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:26am
- mogg
  
  Not the Greens they want an economy based on the treaty, to be led by iwi.
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:38am
  - PurplePen
    
    That may be true. But I don’t think they really know what that means or how that would actually materialise in real life. It’s just sound bites.
    
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    December 10, 2024 1:45pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It will be very interesting to see the Treaty Principles poll numbers tonight on one news, I bet it tells the exact opposite of what the Curia poll says. Lynch appeared very smarmy saying we will give you those numbers tomorrow, clearly she seemed excited of the prospect to say got ya on TPB
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:54am
  - G152
    
    Polls and polsters are biased toward whatever their master requires.
    
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    December 10, 2024 11:23am
peterwn

The prospective ‘de-banking’ of Gloriavale raises interesting issues. This isbecause BNZ is effectively going to shut down Gloriavale by withdrawing banking services. It opens the way for other customers to be ‘de-banked’ because the bank does not like their views. So David Seymour could be ‘de-banked’ because his bank do not like his Treaty views. Perhaps Westpac (who has the all of government banking business) could ‘de-bank’ the Government because Westpac does not like the Government’s policy direction.
There were a few ‘de-banking’ situations I can think of. In the early 1980’s Rob Muldoon, then Prime Minister, was ‘de-banked’ by ASB (before it was brought out by Oz’s Commonwealth Bank), because ASB did not agree with Rob’s utterances. Since his only banking relationship with ASB was a passbook account opened in Rob’s childhood, the incident was not really significant although Rob was annoyed at the humiliation.
Another was a woman who was ‘de-banked’ by Kiwibank because it seemed she was a perpetual trouble maker.
Another case (which was not in the news) was a customer (with no loans) received a letter from his bank saying that he was going to be ‘de-banked’ and would receive a cheque with his funds. He considered the situation and decided to sit tight and not respond. Nothing happened. The only conclusion was that the bank was wanting ‘scalps’ to appease the authorities over money laundering and so sent out a heap of ‘de-banking’ letters.
In the wake of Rogernomics banks started to think that they could shed unprofitable customers (eg those who merely received a benefit which they then withdrew from a ATM) but quickly realised that would put a section of society in an impossible situation.
So either the banks need to collectively recognise that everyone needs access to a banking service or the Government needs to force the issue for example providing a universal service via Kiwibank then levying the other banks to recompense Kiwibank for the burden.
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December 10, 2024 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  Couldn’t agree more.
  This is a very serious issue .
  I think the courts have upheld the “debanking” as the targets don’t meet the banks human rights criteria or some such.
  
  What happens if banks have , for example, signed up to some rainbow , treaty or climate tick .
  
  That could see any number of normal people debanked.
  
  First they came for ……..
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:18am
  - peterwn
    
    The Appeal Court did make a technically correct decision. There is nothing in law that obliges a bank to provide a banking service for anyone who asks for it. if it imposed such an obligation on BNZ to continue to provide banking services to Gloriavale, that would have been judicial activism. Interestingly the legal profession is required to provide legal services to anyone seeking such services in accordance with the ‘cab rank’ rule. There are exceptions such as conflict or interest or potential inability to pay. A similar protocol needs to be applied to banking but that is for the banks or the Government to arrange, not Judges.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:06am
  - pdm
    
    kowtow I worked for the BNZ – 1964 until 1982.
    
    Some strange dudes came and went through the Staff ranks in that time. Including 2 or 3 Managers, I was always in branches, whom I would have preferred to have never met.
    
    A couple got fairly high up the ranks and one arrogant prick got sacked soon after I left.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:09am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Banks, large companies and governments have become a three-headed beast with its own interests at heart.
    
    We are just grist for the mill.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:11am
    - kevn
      
      iam… Bank talk.
      https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/the-finance-minister-s-solution-to-the-big-bank-oligopoly-make-you-pay-for-a-dirty-deal-replete-wit
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:31am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Kevn,
        So she wants to use pension funds to bail out Kiwibank, sounds very Adernist/Muldoonist to me.
        
        Who do the pension funds bail out next, health system? Solar energy companies?
        
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        December 10, 2024 9:37am
      - RoboRob
        
        @imalwaysright
        
        It’s not a bail out. The finance companies have the option to buy shares in KiwiBank, just like any other business IPO. This is what they do everyday with their clients money. Nothing special here except for a ban on selling to overseas owners, which limits upside for investors and reduces the ability to easily sell.
        
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        December 10, 2024 10:31am
      - peterwn
        
        A return to pre-Rogernomics situation where banks and other deposit takers were obliged to ‘invest’ in Government or local bonds must be resisted. Only ‘conservative’ and (to some extent) ‘balanced’ Kiwisaver funds should be sources for such finance, and the fund managers would need to be satisfied that the lending is ‘investment grade’. I suspect that the Government would dearly love Kiwibank to issue shares (which would dilute the Government’s 100% ownership) but the Government has a number of fights on its hands at present and does not want to pick another one just yet.
        
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        December 10, 2024 10:59am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Interesting Rob,
        but is the restriction on trading with overseas entities in itself a bit odd?
        Is that an avenue to apportion an artificially inflated local value to Kiwibank? The economics of banking are the same everywhere, will Kiwibank be regarded as the “special bank”, basically another government department?
        
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        December 10, 2024 11:07am
      - RoboRob
        
        @imalwaysright
        
        The US share market is much more appealing then other share markets in part because of the fluidity it offers. If you want to buy or sell a share it generally happens instantly, there is almost always another party wanting to fill the other side of the trade.
        
        The NZ share market is much worse and it can take some time to buy / sell a holding.
        
        When you further restrict buying or selling shares to only NZers you make it even harder.
        
        So a kiwi restriction is worse for investors (low fluidity) and for share price, Kiwibank would get much more money per share on a global market. When KS providers want to sell their holding they (and us) will also get a lower return.
        
        So yeah, great from a NZ owned and operated perspective but bad from a investment perspective.
        
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        December 10, 2024 12:08pm
  - Grunter
    
    KOWTOW
    “…..What happens if banks have , for example, signed up to some rainbow , treaty or climate tick .”
    
    That has already happened I’m afraid.
    
    The Financial Sector (Climate-related Disclosures and Other Matters) Amendment Act 2021 requires certain financial institutions to make climate-related disclosures, (AND RELATED MATTERS).
    
    This means all NZ Banks & Financial Institutions now have mandatory reporting requirements on a whole raft of woke siht. And that includes reporting mitigation strategies on any of the issues (so what are you doing about CO2??)
    
    This is a serious slippery slope and one of the main reasons I keep saying that this “Global Boiling Scam” is BAKED IN.
    
    This is mandatory corporate nonsense that has to be complied with and it is spreading down through the banks lenders’ books (ie everyone).
    
    So I am not surprised that BNZ has de-banked Gloriavale. They have most likely determined that they are using slavery, etc, etc within their organisation – and so under this heinous law (above) the BNZ has no choice but to show how they are stamping out stuff that is deemed to be wrong……
    
    THIS LAW IS A MASSIVE BAKED-IN SLIPPERY SLOPE!!
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:19am
  - Fender
    
    except there are plenty of other banks and there’s no such thing as a vacuum, hong kong bank or some similar outside source will jump into the void, The people have to go somewhere. We currently have to support AUS banks but that could always change.
    
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    December 10, 2024 10:04am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      There are barriers to entering retail banking, ie you need a critical mass of customers to make a start, and set up branches around the country – all very costly.
      
      The non Aussie banks present in NZ have commercial & investment businesses, but not retail.
      
      The only way we’re likely to get a new retail bank is if one of the existing banks either sells up or acquires a competitor & has to divest some sites in order to get Commerce Commission approval to close the deal. Neither of which really expands the retail banking options.
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:58am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Though I see that Revolut has just submitted an application to become a registered bank in NZ. They claim to be the first digital global bank to be opening in NZ, and assert that they will shake up the NZ banking market. Will watch with interest.
        
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        December 10, 2024 4:15pm
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  I completely agree, banks must not judge their customers by any political or moral criteria. That is not and must not be their role.
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:30am
  - Grunter
    
    The law of the land says otherwise….banks have no choice, they have to do this.
    
    (The Financial Sector (Climate-related Disclosures and Other Matters) Amendment Act 2021)
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:56am
- MCōs
  
  The BNZ claimed Gloriavale breached their human rights policy by using child labour and the court agreed.
  Workers testified before the Employment Court that they started work at 6yo and were subject to physical punishment
  Good riddance to the medieval outpost
  This doesn’t give the bank carte blanche to ‘debank’ anyone who they don’t like
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/companies/banking-finance/court-gives-bnz-greenlight-to-shut-gloriavales-bank-accounts-in-move-that-could-end-the-community/6PR2E7BFYRDRJFCQRO77CJT5Y4/
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:37am
- Paulus
  
  I am tired of two Banks today, the ASB and Westpac who are continually making their TV adverts Maori orientated.
  They are all only 16% of the New Zealand population and many are in Australia anyway.
  
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  December 10, 2024 11:02am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I have a fairly large investment in Westpac, I had my mortgage at the time in that bank, about 5 years ago they sent me a letter about my investment and it was riddled with Māori to the tune of I was not sure what they were talking about, I sent a reply that said something like if your bank ever sends me an email full of Māori language like this again I will take my money out of this bank and never deal with you ever again, I never received a reply, but I never ever had an email full of Māori shit ever again, only at tgee ed end I get NGA mihi which I don’t need to read anyway because it’s at he end. Main thing is they must have taken on board what I said
    
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    December 10, 2024 11:11am
    - Quail
      
      The banks have too much power.They are a service industry / business and should remember that. Government should support and insist that politics is not part of banking.
      We all remember the comment from the US “ any government that can do everything for you can also take everything off you.”
      Failure of Government to insist banking has a framework excluding social licences and woke decisions is a step to inequality that must not be tolerated!
      
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      December 10, 2024 8:38pm
Inandout

I realise that there are some on KB who are so anti Trump this may fall on deaf ears, but Bill O’Reilly’s account of former Presidents is spot on. For those who gloss over Biden’s attempt to destroy the very fabric of US society by unfettered illegal immigration, may want to face reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YMtg9dMSZE
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December 10, 2024 8:13am
- kevn
  
  Inand… bidens foreign chaos legacy.
  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-12-08/americas-yeltsin
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:47am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Doesn’t matter what they think now, because polls have Trump well ahead of even the election night, we see places doing his YMCA dance places I would have thought would be leftie swamp holes, and even governors and senators are starting to say enough is enough with the bullshittery
  
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  December 10, 2024 11:13am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKxbM7seD44
Town residents cheered as Mayor Tiffany Henyard was evicted from her house!
Dem mayor forgets to pay rent, and gets evicted. She also sought the arrest of opponents. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. The Feds are taking an interest in her conduct.
How does a small village blow 9 million dollars? A population of 22,000 24,000 people and you blow through 9 million dollars how?
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December 10, 2024 8:16am
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  I reckon she is trousering funds.
  
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  December 10, 2024 8:45am
  - alex Masterley
    
    She looks like she is a big noting party girl spending the cash when she can.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:27am
    - john1234
      
      Sounds like a certain NZ mayor…
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:33am
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and not the best mayor either.
    
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    December 10, 2024 5:23pm
- sirknz
  
  Was she the one who changed the remuneration the mayor receives from extravagant to effectively poverty wages, but only after she is removed from power?
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:44am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNEUSXFeO9M
Clarkson 1 Starmer 0.
Clarkson’s comments and advocacy on farming issues isn’t just some hollow celebrity endorsement, he has actually tried farming for himself and knows how difficult it is. This has inadvertently made many who aren’t in rural communities also cognisant of the challenges farmers face and the thanklessness of much of modern society toward them. He has earned the right to speak on these issues and that has given his advocacy serious impact. He freely admits that he’s not seriously impacted by these issues but farmers at least see he understands the problems and is willing to use his fame to draw attention to them even though he doesn’t have to. [He’s not some dilettente ‘celebrity’.]
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December 10, 2024 8:16am
- mogg
  
  Quite right, but Clarkson is also using his fame to make a lot of money from Amazon, the program is very funny it should be called ‘carry on farming’.
  Starmer has the personality of a plank in front of the camera whereas Clarkson is exactly the opposite. In one of the episodes his very attractive Irish partner tells him “you are f-ing useless”, to which he has no reply.
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:01am
  - Paulus
    
    Enjoyed every Clarkson’s farming programme and of his attempt at farming.
    Great fun, from outside on how to lose money.
    
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    December 10, 2024 11:05am
    - G152
      
      Only watched one episode. A 5 year old raised on a farm would do better
      
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      December 10, 2024 11:27am
      - Fender
        
        woosh—-
        
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        December 10, 2024 12:45pm
    - sungsamning
      
      I think he was trying to make a profit. However, farming is an are; with less chance of good results than the average business.
      
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      December 10, 2024 5:22pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, I’ve seen snippets of Clarkson’s Farm. It was pretty interesting. Good on him for going after Starmer.
    
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    December 10, 2024 5:21pm
kiwikidsnz

The right to a bank account needs to be legislated / regulated for. IIRC the UK did this after the Coutts Farage debacle

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/360514657/sex-toy-company-refused-bank-account-due-nature-operations
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December 10, 2024 8:18am
Bridgenag

penny walks free
win one for the good guys

“we really ought to all start taking this seriously. try to get on juries. try to hand out justice. if we leave them to radicals and reprobates, guess what kind of outcomes we get?”

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/penny-walks-free?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 10, 2024 8:19am
- Conservatarian
  
  Thank goodness. The system, and this trial in particular, was rigged against Daniel Penny and in favour of the “kind gentle Michael Jackson impersonator” and mentally ill thug Jordan Neely. Another nail in the coffin of the pro-criminal progressive justice systems operating in the quasi-communist big cities of the US. Best not guilty verdict since Kyle Rittenhouse.
  
  Neely’s negligent and opportunistic sperm donor and other pro-criminal organisations are thankfully apoplectic. I do have sympathy for Neely based on his background but he will harm people no more.
  
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  December 10, 2024 1:41pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.25am, in a new, all-time record, there are two bikes!

Still only 48 slots vacant.

A warm, still morning in the Capital, ideal for cycling.
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December 10, 2024 8:29am
- pdm
  
  2 bikes though.
  
  Isn’t that a step up from the usual – maybe even 2 steps (bikes) up.
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:53am
- rockape
  
  It’s all the free advertising they get here!
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:23am
- Grunter
  
  Nek minit…
  “BIKE RIDING TO WORK IN CENTRAL WELLINGTON INCREASES +1,325.689% IN 1 DAY….(1News)”
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:36am
- Swifty
  
  Still two bikes at 12:50pm!
  
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  December 10, 2024 2:30pm
  - Ghost
    
    Well, put a note on one of them
    
    *congratulations, as the first bike to use this rack you have won a prize. Please collect the prize from the mayor*
    
    *ps, due to the cost of this bike rack can you please also start paying*
    
    *pps, seriously, an electric bike, you lazy bugger*
    
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    December 10, 2024 2:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Wanna-be lawyers want tikanga lessons in their degree.

Gary says students at the university actually expect to be taught tikanga Māori as part of their degree.

“There was a survey done by the New Zealand Law Students Society, which showed an overwhelming support by our existing law students that they really do expect that as it applies to the law, and colonisation is to be included in their law degrees.”

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/12/10/award-winning-initiative-reaffirms-importance-of-tikanga-maori-taught-in-law-schools/
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December 10, 2024 8:41am
- Swifty
  
  Exactly how does the person in the street benefit from this?
  
  Does the law become clearer? Does it become more widely accepted? Does it become easier to administer? Does our legal system become much more simple (or vastly more complex)? Does the law become cheaper to administer? Will crime fall as a result?
  
  I’m yet to see a single argument where these questions are answered successfully – all I’m seeing is vested interests rejoicing that their privileged places in our legal system are becoming cemented in for decades as tikanga takes a place in our legal system and at great expense to New Zealand families.
  
  And, very importantly, does the man and woman in the street get a say in this? Or will it just be imposed on us?
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:08am
  - Swifty
    
    For such a significant and systemic change in our legal system, and of this magnitude, one might have thought the proponents of change would have initiated a public debate – you know, discuss the issues, the pros and cons, costs and risks etc and to bring people along with them.
    
    But in this case it’s been quite the opposite, there has been absolutely no public debate on this, inserting tikanga into our legal system has just suddenly occurred, with no debate, no mandate, no forewarning whatsoever, and it seems with the obligatory “if you oppose this you are racist” condemnation riding shotgun to it all.
    
    It’s all very instructive as to how many of our elites view ordinary New Zealand people.
    
    They haven’t made a single attempt to win us over on this through debate and consultation.
    
    They’ve just jammed it in to suit themselves and without even a please or thank you – and using our money to do it.
    
    We are just dirt to them. They don’t give a shit about us. The only care they have for us is our continued funding of them.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:31am
    - Swifty
      
      In my darker moments I see this as nothing but a make-work scheme for Maori lawyers and Maori legal academics – thorough the insertion of tikanga they have just engineered themselves jobs for life.
      
      And remember, tikanga will mean wherever they say it to mean. Whatever they find it convenient for it to mean.
      
      And it’s us that has to pay for it all.
      
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      December 10, 2024 9:55am
- lifesgood
  
  Really? Wow! Those lefty school teachers have sure had a lot of influence.
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:12am
- peterwn
  
  If there is a demand for it, universities can offer it as a general 101 subject (which law students can select as part of their first year course) or as an elective course as part of the law degree (about half of the required papers are mandatory and the other half electives).
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:12am
  - Swifty
    
    I think you’re missing the point Peter.
    
    It’s not just about what is taught in a university.
    
    We’re talking about New Zealand’s legal system, that we are all to accept living within and under if we are to remain harmonious – and, one would hope, a system where everybody is treated equally.
    
    How is it that one group of unelected individuals can, without any mandate or discussion, just take it upon themselves to alter our system so meaningfully and so significantly – in this case through the insertion of tikanga?
    
    Do we not get a say in this? We who must live under this legal system and fund it? Do our voices not matter at all?
    
    This is just a coup on our legal system and one of great surprise and finality.
    
    Not only have we been denied a view or a vote, we have been denied even the slightest opportunity to discuss it.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:46am
    - Paulus
      
      So what are we going to do about – just talk !
      
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      December 10, 2024 11:12am
      - Swifty
        
        What I will be doing is continuing to vote for and support the party which most closely mirrors my outlook and values – ACT.
        
        As well as firing off missives on KB from time to time. 😃
        
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        December 10, 2024 11:20am
- Ruahine
  
  The years of brainwashing through the education system is working well.
  Just as it was predicted.
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:52am
- imalwaysright
  
  NZ will be the only country in the world where contracts and acts of Parliament contain words that no one can define.
  
  Yep, that’ll work…
  
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  December 10, 2024 11:14am
David Garrett

I am somewhat reluctant to ask this lest i tempt fate…but does anyone know whats happened to Mikey-many-names? Has he been given a holiday?
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December 10, 2024 8:55am
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  Sssshhhhhh!
  Mention someone’s name a nd they appear like magic.
  It is peaceful.
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:17am
  - Inandout
    
    SO, Maggy hasn’t resurfaced, like some blog Phoenix.
    
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    December 10, 2024 9:26am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m still here…
      
      it’s Maggie pie who’s flown the coop.
      
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      December 10, 2024 10:14am
      - Inandout
        
        Indeed Maggy, naughty me.
        
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        December 10, 2024 12:37pm
      - mogg
        
        Will Maggie Pie return as the ghost of Christmas past? ‘Asking for a friend’.
        
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        December 10, 2024 3:11pm
      - lifesgood
        
        And things are quite pleasant around here now.
        
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        December 10, 2024 3:39pm
    - peterwn
      
      She would have more time to improve her tennis but we miss the collective wisdom of the ladies at Remmers tennis club. We are now receiving the collective wisgom of the guys at the bowling club.
      
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      December 10, 2024 11:03am
- mandk
  
  Mikey works for the Ministry for Pointless activities.
  
  The entire staff has been away for the past month, learning new karakia and waiata.
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:32am
  - Groggy
    
    Oh he’s got a job in David Seymour’s new Ministry then?
    
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    December 10, 2024 10:35am
- Bridgenag
  
  Thought he was reincarnated as Dudley something and another one [name escapes me]
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:44am
- Ghost
  
  I heard he was moving to tonga….
  
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  December 10, 2024 11:17am
  - PurplePen
    
    I see the PM there has just resigned.
    
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    December 10, 2024 1:54pm
Southern Raider

Would be interesting for one of those “humanities” phd students to do a thesis on dumb name syndrome and propensity to be killed by your family

Yesterday was another horror statistic added to NZ’s growing list of kids murdered by parents and extended family.

Its almost like a venn diagram of if you have a dumb first name (in this case was some gangster spelling of ricochet) and you have an indigenous surname you are dozens of times more at risk of being murdered,
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December 10, 2024 9:01am
- MCōs
  
  Musk is indigenous to Holland
  
  Exa Dark Sideræl Musk
  X Æ A-Xii Musk
  Techno Mechanicus Musk
  Strider Musk
  Azure Musk
  Kai Musk
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:58am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Muskovites
    
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    December 10, 2024 10:29am
  - sirknz
    
    How many of Musk’s kids has he beaten to death, and how many is he likely to beat to death?
    
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    December 10, 2024 10:34am
    - MCōs
      
      Apart from his daughter Vivian, who used to be his son he seems to love them all, but that it’s the point.
      Zahquiel Taipeti wasn’t killed by a parent.
      No arrests have been made for the death of Ruthless-Empire Wall
      Btw
      There’s a lot more unusual names around than Zahquiel; Ruthless-Empire not so much.
      
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      December 10, 2024 5:21pm
  - Jack5
    
    “Musk” – a surname taken to Britain by Normans after the Conquest, accoding to this genealogy site:
    
    https://www.houseofnames.com/au/musk-family-crest
    
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    December 10, 2024 5:27pm
- sirknz
  
  Should be government policy that if your kid has a dumb name, then the state becomes very intimate with you and your kids. I don’t like big government or government overreach, but there, at least at a cursory level, a greatly increased chance of a family member beating you to severe injury or death if you have a dumb name.
  
  While we’re at it, if a kid is seriously injured or killed and nobody in the house at the time is willing to say what happened and who did it, everyone present is charged jointly with the crime, until they turn on the guilty party.
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:33am
  - Ghost
    
    No it shouldn’t, what a waste of time and money. It should be govt policy that children who are in at risk homes are protected. You’re policy would have a lot of celebrities under investigation.
    
    The latest child was not killed by their parents. The mother is not 25 years old, she is not in prison and she has posted her anger on Facebook at the murder of her boy
    
    Plenty of abused and murdered children in NZ with normal names. Let’s waste time and money because some people don’t like the names of a few kids
    
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    December 10, 2024 10:43am
    - lifesgood
      
      Silly name syndrome suggests the parents are morons. Poor kids to have morons for parents.
      
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      December 10, 2024 3:46pm
  - MCōs
    
    “I don’t like big government” except when you give your kid what I judge to be a dumb name.
    
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    December 10, 2024 4:21pm
Southern Raider

With Govt and finance sectors moves to digital IDs and digital banking it’s very concerning to also have a focus on what banks deem as “acceptable businesses”

Of course there is Gloriavale as the highest profile example at the moment. But also a local adult toy business and anything deeemd a climate change threat.

None of the above are illegal business activities, but we are allowing banks to be the moral police and effectively kill companies and small businesses off.
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December 10, 2024 9:04am
Cassandra

18 months ago I emailed Christopher Luxn a lengthy critique of the bootcamps plan, regarding handing it over to the Army. One matter I raised: “Will they be confined? That’s a whole new ballgame. What happens when an offender absconds? A group sneaks out and gets hold of drugs and alcohol? Imagine the questions in Parliament: “Can the Minister tell the House how much Police time has been spent on the 7 youth offenders who left the facility at xxxxxxx 14 days ago?” “
Saying I told you so gives me no satisfaction. Anyone who thought that this would be like CMT or National Service is balmy. These are seriously disturbed criminals. They need to be confined. Rehabilitated if possible but confined until then.
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December 10, 2024 9:18am
- pdm
  
  Cass – apart from the one who walked out after about 10 days because he/she could not hack it and was replaced, all of those under scrutiny are back in the community in some way.
  
  Most if not all are under Oranga Tamariki supervision or similar.
  
  My rough calculation is that so far the Pilot has about a 70% success rate notwithstanding the dramas of the last week..
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:00am
- imalwaysright
  
  Media treats it like its NZ’s Ukraine.
  Sad bastards.
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:32am
- marcw
  
  In general, these “juvenile” criminals cannot be confined. Those are the rules society have made. So suck it up.
  
  When as a community we decide to grow up and treat juveniles who commit adult crimes as real criminals and remove them from contact with other innocent community members, then we may eventually be on a pathway to a safer society.
  
  Without consequences, tyranny will prevail. That is what we have at present.
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:47am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  From what I can make out they have not absconded from the complex, one absconded from the Tangi, and the other absconded from his parents place when they were having a night of home stay presumably leading up to re-introducing them back into the public, media keep twisting the lies suggesting they were in the care of the camp operators, it looks like that was not the case
  
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  December 10, 2024 11:18am
  - OlderChas
    
    The onw who absconded from the tangi was under the supervision of two OT people. Guess they went for a kai?
    
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    December 10, 2024 12:09pm
    - lifesgood
      
      How could anyone trust Oranga Tamariki? As a matter of interest, why is it still called that? I thought National was going to change the names of Govt Departments back to names people could understand, i.e. English
      
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      December 10, 2024 3:49pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    If only the media were so diligent in following up on gang members who get home
    D for raping and kicking the fuck out of the nearest woman, or the same scum who throw babies against the nearest wall in order to reenforce their own status as a suppressed warrior.
    
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    December 10, 2024 12:13pm
Steve Otto N Shore

The ‘Trump Bump’: Housing Market Heads Back to Common Sense.
“It won’t be perfect, and it won’t happen overnight, but the trajectory is encouraging.”

https://thepatriotexpress.com/therightwingclub/the-trump-bump-housing-market-heads-back-to-common-sense/?
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December 10, 2024 9:22am
Rusty

What’s happening with the Razzas (RSA’s)? Some breakaway groups wants to return them back to its original purpose of caring for war vets and getting more involved in their communities instead of being an attraction for people joining for cheap booze.

There aren’t not many war vets left anyway and if the RSA’s didn’t open it up to the public they would have gone under a long time ago. Maybe they have had their day.
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December 10, 2024 9:29am
- Cassandra
  
  Indeed. Of my 25 strong cards group at our local RSA I am the only vet. I suspect that of our total membership of hundreds (very popular club) I am one of half a dozen. NZRSA has passed its use by.
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:54am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Anything the little general touches will turn into a shit show.
  
  Plus the dodgy accounting for poppy appeal funds is not a good look at all.
  
  But realistically, the RSA was a place for old codgers with PTSD to get hammered with their mates, have a cheap feed and cope with life. That time may have passed.
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:11am
  - Cassandra
    
    The RSA used to be a very popular organisation for old soldiers. Particularly immediately after WW2. Some got “hammered” but that was true of pubs too. Most did NOT have ptsd. You are maligning men who gave us all a lot.
    
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    December 10, 2024 11:44am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Agreed, having some drinks, and trying to make some sense, isn’t something those people should be criticised nor minimised for.
      Most wounds don’t bleed.
      
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      December 10, 2024 12:17pm
    - MCōs
      
      My father was a WWII vet and a member of the RSA.
      He rarely went to the RSA except to meet up for lunch with an eclectic circle of old pre war mates who’d shared similar experiences, but had moved on.
      They’d rather talk about fishing, rugby, what the kids were up to . . . .
      
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      December 10, 2024 4:50pm
Skippytony

Have I missed this or is this a new angle emerging?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/explainer-tina-ngata-warns-treaty-principles-bill-threatens-maori-sovereignty-and-rights/Q4A3EBSKFBCR7JVG7DFYTZGETQ/

How exactly does the proposed approach open Maoridom up to the risk of corporate exploitation? What even is that?

Also, can someone please point me to the definitive document that everyone agrees describes the differences between the two “versions” of the ToW? How can anyone hope to have a coherent conversation about the ToW if we cant even agree whats in it?
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December 10, 2024 9:31am
- Swifty
  
  It’s their new Atlas angle.
  
  All part of Politics 101 – identify your enemy, demonise them and then position yourselves as the cavalry riding to the rescue.
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:57am
- rouppe
  
  Having to pay tax on your corporate operations is seen as unfair corporate exploration of Maori by the Coloniser
  
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  December 10, 2024 1:30pm
- PurplePen
  
  There’s an awful lot in that article. Two things struck me. The author is said to be an educator. Not necessarily an expert in the ToW field. Yet the Herald decides she is the authority on this and publishes her utterances. Where is the counter authority on this subject such as Prof Elizabeth Rata.
  
  Secondly, the ‘educator’ says ‘In 2014, the Waitangi Tribunal found Māori never ceded sovereignty.’. Except even earlier in her article she points out Trinunal findings that have changed and there was someone else in the paper saying how sometimes the Tribunal gets it wrong, but that’s OK. Maybe the Tribunal is wrong about coding sovereignty and so they can be ignored.
  
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  December 10, 2024 2:11pm
Grunter

The Romanian election result has been overturned. The winner (Georgescu) was deemed too “Right”. And he used a very successful Tik Tok campaign that he copied from some Russian campaign a while back.

Georgescu ran on a platform of ending Romania’s involvement in the Russia-Ukraine war and vowed to end all funding to Ukraine. He does not believe in climate change and does not want to decimate Romania’s energy industry to accommodate net zero emission goals. Georgescu also questioned the COVID narrative. All of his leading speaking points were anti-establishment, thus, the establishment ensured he could not take office.

The EU continues on its self-destructive path of collapse. This one is relatively minor, but consistent all the same.
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December 10, 2024 9:37am
- imalwaysright
  
  Grunter,
  It may be minor in the scale of things, but this will be noticed around Europe and will serve to shorten the fuse to the implosion of the EU establishment.
  I would say that 2025 will see the disintegration of the EU Parliament. Can’t wait.
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:47am
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    Yeah, I agree….maybe it will take longer? 2026/27??
    
    But it will be like any bankruptcy, happens slowly & gradually and then suddenly implodes in a heartbeat.
    
    Not that we, in NZ, can smugly sit here and watch…..
    
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    December 10, 2024 2:18pm
Steve Otto N Shore

Mexico Seizes Record Fentanyl Haul: Real Progress or a Political Performance?
Mexico’s Navy. Doesn’t give details, but it was a ton of fentanyl.
“But let’s not forget how we got here. It wasn’t proactive cooperation or mutual concern for public health that spurred this operation. No, it was the looming threat of tariffs from President Trump, who once again is proving that when you play hardball, people listen.”
The cartels will try other methods of course.

https://freedomeagledaily.com/realloadednews/mexico-seizes-record-fentanyl-haul-real-progress-or-a-political-performance/?
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December 10, 2024 9:38am
Grunter

The United States is celebrating the collapse of the Syrian government that is now in the hands of al-Qaeda. You may wonder why the U.S. would fight al-Qaeda in Afghanistan for two decades and then celebrate them in Syria. You would be right to recognize that contradiction and forgiven for now knowing that the U.S. has been arming al-Qaeda’s spin-off the al-Nusra Front since the Obama administration.

Obama hid that from the American people by coming up with a clever name for al-Nusra. He called them “moderates.” A sort of woke version, if you will. But they were always al-Qaeda and now President Biden says that their rule in Syria is a “fundamental act of justice.”

No doubt that Assad is an evil bastard, but listening to the BS spewing out of the US right now just shows that the Military Industrial Complex has no boundaries.
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December 10, 2024 9:45am
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  I’m sure that the ~200k Christians in Syria will be just fine and left to their own devices…
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:39am
Inandout

Every day confusion reigns, will we ever know the whole truth on Covid?
https://theworldwatch.com/videos/1625317/rogan-the-house-released-a-500-page-report-on-covid-every-single-conspiracy-theory-was-correct/
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December 10, 2024 9:51am
Swifty

I sleep soundly in my bed at night, comforted by the fact that the more extreme, deranged, demented and poisonous the Maori party becomes the harder it is for Labour to be elected.

Vote Labour, get The Maori Party.

Sucks to be Chris Hipkins.
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December 10, 2024 10:06am
- Ghost
  
  Want a nightmare?
  
  https://newsroom.co.nz/2023/11/16/why-we-could-see-a-127-seat-parliament-at-the-next-election/
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:11am
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    Heh
    
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    December 10, 2024 10:15am
  - G152
    
    The maori party never turn up so it’ll be okay
    
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    December 10, 2024 11:38am
    - Ghost
      
      You mean the party that mobilised last election to take the maori seats off labour never turn up?
      
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      December 10, 2024 11:47am
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        The Maori party only got 87,000 votes. So about 1 in 9 Maori voted for them . National got about 1 in 4 of pakeha votes! National got more Maori votes than the Maori party!
        
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        December 10, 2024 2:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        Nationals maori voters do not matter. The scenario in the above article involves maori party voters and you can guarantee if the media are talking about it, the parties are looking at it as ell.
        
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        December 10, 2024 4:43pm
Steve Otto N Shore

Who is pulling the strings in NZ?
Some of the players behind the scenes in New Zealand politics.

https://centrist.nz/some-of-the-players-behind-the-scenes-in-new-zealand-politics/?
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December 10, 2024 10:11am
NeverMindTheBollocks

NZ Police continues to value diversity over competence.

Seriously, has Police HR not heard that Jaxxie has gone? The new Commissioner needs to lay down the law.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/536170/police-recruitment-drive-seeks-refugee-officers-we-re-all-about-the-community
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December 10, 2024 10:14am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Competence at recruitment time has nothing to do with the competence they need to display at graduation. Once they have completed their training and graduate from the police college they will all be at a similar standard of competence.
  
  Refugee groups are particularly vulnerable to criminals in their own communities because their trust in Police at home is low or non existent for good reasons. New Zealand Police officers from an ethnic background will help open the lid on what goes on in those communities as well serving the general population.
  
  You never know there may well be young men and women coming from a refugee background patrolling your community in the dead of the night protecting you. There are even some refugees from England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland working in NZ Police. Scary.
  
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  December 10, 2024 1:34pm
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    Wouldn’t better integration of immigrant groups assist in avoiding those issues in thy first place?
    
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    December 10, 2024 2:14pm
Steve Otto N Shore

What is a citizen’s initiated referendum and what role could it play in the Treaty of Waitangi debate?
This is what is upsetting TPM.
“The bill proposes to rewrite and legislate the Treaty’s principles, sparking concerns from critics who argue it risks putting minority rights at the mercy of majority rule.”
“Proponents argue there are no rights for a minority. There is only equality of opportunity; one nation; and one rule of law.”
Strange – I thought NZ was a democracy.

https://centrist.nz/what-is-a-citizens-initiated-referendum-and-what-role-could-it-play-in-the-treaty-of-waitangi-debate/?
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December 10, 2024 10:20am
Steve Otto N Shore

Plans to reintroduce pay deductions for partial strikes.
Simple to me. If you are not working you don’t get paid?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/536150/plans-to-reintroduce-pay-deductions-for-partial-strikes?
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December 10, 2024 10:24am
Maggy Wassilieff

If school kids were responsible for starting the Bridge Hill fire, I wonder if the school will ever be publicly identified…

https://www.thepress.co.nz/a/nz-news/360515880/principal-confident-school-campers-followed-all-the-rules-in-craigieburn-blaze
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December 10, 2024 10:33am
- Jack5
  
  As long as it wasn’t from school campers’ hot marijuana cigarette butts.
  
  Joint responsibility!
  
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  December 10, 2024 11:48am
- rouppe
  
  Notice they all said “followed the rules” but none said they didn’t have any open fires.
  
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  December 10, 2024 1:23pm
Swifty

The Biden/Harris legacy – the destruction of millions of Afghani women’s lives.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/taliban-order-afghan-women-banned-from-medical-training-crushing-hopes-for-future/FHQ3ZSQU5NHFPOGMFFNZHYYZMI/
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December 10, 2024 11:06am
- MCōs
  
  The Taliban are causing the problems in Afghanistan, surely?
  America were in the country fighting the Taliban for twenty years, but sooner or later they were going to bugger off. Ideally I suppose they they could have occupied the country ad infinitum
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:20pm
Jack5

Is this the strictly kosher way for a shareholder to re-organise a company? A national bank?

The Finance Minister, Nicola Willis, says the Government has directed Kiwibank and the Treasury “to talk to New Zealand KiwiSaver funds, New Zealand investment institutions and New Zealand professional investor groups about a potential investment of up to $500 million in the bank.”

The Government owns 64.69 per cent of Kiwibank Ltd through Kiwi Group Capital Ltd, whose ownership is 50:50 by the Minister of Finance and the Minister for State Owned Enterprises.

Jenny Ruth reports on Stuff that this is a green light for Kiwi Group Capital and the Treasury to raise up to half a million dollars from institutions including KiwiSaver funds ahead of an “eventual” public float.

Ruth adds:”Once the capital is raised it could allow Kiwibank to lend up to an extra $10 billion to home buyers or $4 billion to businesses.”

Ah, the magic of fractional reserve banking!

Hope this doesn’t set off a mini-wave of inflation on the model of the big wave that came from the printing of tens of billions of dollars during Covid.

But Kiwibank Ltd is a limited company. The minority — widespread investors — owns (35.31 per cent). Suddenly the majority owner has plans to blow out the amount of capital and list the company on the Stock Exchange.

What if the sharemarket then finds the bank is a poor investment and the value of shareholdings dives?

However, maybe the Government had already told the minority owners the plan.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/next-steps-banking-competition
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December 10, 2024 11:43am
cmm

So they caught the shooter…

I did have to laugh though at:
“They also recovered … a mask consistent with those worn by our wanted individual,”

Umm, he was wearing one of those disposable blue masks that everyone has been hiding behind for the last 4 years. I think I still have three in my backpack.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360516534/police-hunting-unitedheathcare-ceos-killer-question-man-found-similar-gun
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December 10, 2024 11:58am
- imalwaysright
  
  Meanwhile, after a year, the NZ cops can’t work out which of four residents murdered a child in Taita.
  One of the residents being the victim.
  
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  December 10, 2024 5:14pm
OlderChas

No wonder the number of ram raids is dropping. Just heard a radio news item where police are searching for a group of youths aged between 11 and 16 who “used a vehicle to gain access to Silverdale Mall”! Maybe one of the recent Commissioner’s requests to media – “Please don’t use the words Ram Raid, as no rams of either the battering or baa-ing type are used.” That way we will stamp out ram raids? //
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December 10, 2024 12:19pm
grumpy

Don’t see much about this anymore? Tulsi Gabbard’s husband a Kiwi ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/114665278/meet-the-guitarstrumming-kiwi-surfer-dude-whos-become-us-presidential-candidate-tulsi-gabbards-secret-weapon
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December 10, 2024 12:54pm
Chuck Bird

I sent the following to Luxon and Peters the piece below is the end of my email. There was more. I cannot see why any Jew would not vote for any party but Act.

Netanyahu has rightly condemned the Australian government for the attack on the Jewish synagogue. I hope that New Zealand’s relationship with Israel is better. It would have been better if the Foreign Minister and/or the PM had visited Israel and also the site of the atrocities and Gaza so you would have a better understanding of the difficulty Israel has when Hamas fires at their soldiers from behind human shields.

My vote will not matter any more than all the Jews I will contact. I will be voting Act as it is the only pro-Israel party in Parliament.

My question to both of you is simple. Why should any Jew in New Zealand vote for any party other than Act?

Kind regards
Chuck
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December 10, 2024 3:11pm
Ghost

They won’t care

Four MPs have been referred to Parliament’s Privileges Committee following last month’s haka which interrupted voting on the Treaty Principles Bill in the House.

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December 10, 2024 3:45pm
Jack5

Setback for media of the Right ….

Rupert Murdoch, 93, has lost the battle to ensure his son, Lachlan, takes power over the Murdoch media empire on his father’s death.

In a case heard in Nevada, Murdoch sought to amend a 1999 family trust so that Lachlan would take control “without interference” from his brother, James, and sisters Prudence and Elisabeth.

Lachlan is seen as closest to his father in political and publishing views; the others as being more liberal.

A Nevada commissioner ruled Rupert Murdoch and Lachlan had acted in “bad faith” and called the efforts a “carefully crafted charade”, according to the New York Times.

The BBC explains:

The trust gives the family eight votes, which it can use to have a say on the board of News Corp and Fox News. Mr Murdoch currently controls four of those votes, with his eldest children being in charge of one each.

The trust agreement said that once Mr Murdoch died, his votes would be passed on to his four eldest children equally.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2ld084z8jjo

And details of the Murdoch empire – movies, TV networks, newspapers, book publisher …

https://www.voanews.com/a/list-of-news-corp-major-holdings—-125567543/169203.html
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December 10, 2024 3:56pm
- MCōs
  
  Daddy Murdoch will just have to stay alive.
  The middle aged bugger restocked the viagra jar and married once again a few months ago so I suppose he’s pretty optimistic about his outlook for the future.
  
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  December 10, 2024 5:05pm
- All_on_Red
  
  He will probably appeal.
  In our Country if he was the Settlor of the Trust he should be ok to change things.
  
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  December 10, 2024 10:13pm
Jack5

Northland’s Russell looks set to have its name officially changed to Kororareka.

The relevant Minister is considering the recommendation of the Maori-dominated Geographic Place Names board, and its recommendation’s seldom – if ever – rejected.

What’s the use of having two official spoken languages if both cannot have their own name for a geographic place? Russell in efficient English, Kororareka in melodious Maori.

If it’s good enough to have “kura” above “school” on road warning signs, why not both “Russell” and “Korareka” for signs giving a town’s name?

Unless this is more about cultural dominance …

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/northland-town-russell-faces-name-decision-will-it-return-to-kororareka/UJHZ3LIZSVAAREINYXVOH6MGPA/
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December 10, 2024 5:17pm
- MCōs
  
  4/10 are Māori on the board and 3/4 are ministerial nominations
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:49pm
  - Jack5
    
    No, Cossie, five of the ten are Maori, which is approaching three times the proportion of Maori in the over-all population of the country.
    
    Maori members:
    
    – Paulette Tamati-Elliffe – nominated by Ngai Tahu.
    – Merata Kawharu, (Ngati Whatua and Ngapuhi)– nominated by the Minister for Land Information.
    – Iaean Cranwell ( (Kai Tahu, Kati Irakehu, Kati Kuri, Kati Mak0 – the spelling is in Ngai Tahu dialect)– nominated by Local Government New Zealand. He is co-chair of the collective of Maori in governance roles in Local Government NZ).
    -Cadence Kaumoana – nominated by the Minister for Māori Development. She has leadership roles in Waikato Maori organisations.
    -Mahana Toka – nominee of the Minister for Maori Development, and has a role at Waikato Tainui.
    
    Other members:
    
    – The Surveyor-General.
    – A professor of geography described at the board site as having “published on the politics of place naming and the links between naming and identity.”
    – A primary school teacher with environmental qualifications who became chair of the Waikato Regional Council.
    – The National Hydrographer.
    – A landscape academic who represents mountaineer clubs.
    
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    December 10, 2024 10:53pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360517809/mass-evacuation-villages-underway-after-brief-major-volcanic-eruption-philippines
That is probably the equivalent of about 10 years crap emissions for NZ: what will Chloe do about it ?
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December 10, 2024 5:24pm
Steve Otto N Shore

David Seymour’s Treaty Principles Bill. What’s So Very Wrong With Jack Tame? (Part 2)
I was going to post this in the morning, but in my mind it is important.
[ Mod – how many times do you have to be told to leave us out of your whinges. We are not part of the debate ]
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December 10, 2024 6:20pm
Burtland

Winstone has euthanized greyhound racing …

13 dogs died last year from 36000 starts
– compared with 4007 dogs putdown by spca in auckland alone last year
1054 people are currently employed in the industry
– compared with 230 jobs going at Kinleith

doesnt make any sense – horse racing is worse – it will be next

Lisa Owen at her bitchy best …

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018967835/govt-announces-greyhound-racing-industry-has-20-months-to-wind-down
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December 10, 2024 6:24pm
Ghost

Tonight’s poll

More New Zealanders are opposed than support the Treaty Principles Bill according to a new 1News Verian poll, but a significant number say they don’t know enough about it.

The poll, which surveyed 1006 eligible voters and ran from 30 November to December 4, found that 23% supported the bill while 36% were opposed.

A slightly larger group – 39% – said they didn’t know enough about the bill, and 2% preferred not to say.

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December 10, 2024 8:52pm
- MCōs
  
  I saw that
  After the intensive coverage Seymour has been able to generate for his short piece of proposed legislation more than a third of those polled are either not particularly interested or don’t understand what he’s on about
  
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  December 10, 2024 9:33pm
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    ‘39% – said they didn’t know enough about the bill, ‘
    Or the Media have failed to inform people adequately. Probably deliberately so people like you can draw dumb conclusions.
    
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