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Yvette

Where the future of Labour lies –
• The government wants to divide New Zealand along ethnic and economic lines, Chris Hipkins says, and he wants to be the leader who brings it together.

Remember the Frozen Sparrow story moral 2: Not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend – and was that person the one who dropped you in the shit in the first place – like co-governance manure?

• He said a “new Labour government” was needed to “bring the country together again for our next big fight, and that’s a fight for a fair go for all New Zealanders”

‘for all New Zealanders’ – sounds as if all are equal – as in Seymore’s Article 3 – like, in the Treaty?

For the Maori who are among the lowest social demographics or statistics, Labour delivered next to nothing, but rather than raising them economically anywhere really, Labour still promoted Maori exceptionalism, raising Maori ethnicity above all others, which a vast number of non-Maori New Zealanders couldn’t understand made any sense – because it perhaps doesn’t – so Labour created the Great New Zealand Divide “along ethnic and economic lines” – and New Zealand voted them out.
But next term Labour will fix it?
– really?
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December 2, 2024 8:02am
- Simon
  
  Labo will fix NZ’s problems in the same way a new bum tattoo will fix an alcoholic loser’s problems.
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:48am
  - Positan
    
    Other than the Greens, Labour MPs and Labour supporters are the most impractical and clueless people you could ever find – as their performance in office has proved so many times. MMP has enabled the entry of such brainless cretins into parliament, people who believe that government has lots of money – but haven’t a clue where it comes from.
    I’m of the firm belief that a Royal Commission should be appointed to examine the acts of Ardern, Hipkins, Robertson et al with a view to determining whether or not they were worthy of punishment.
    On the basis of Labour’s last performance, what rational soul would ever seek to trust them again?
    
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    December 2, 2024 9:46am
    - pdm
      
      Posi – you overlooked the Maori Party MP’s!!!
      
      All of them too seem to fit into the impractical and cluelss category.
      
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      December 2, 2024 11:09am
      - Positan
        
        PD, try as I might, I cannot bring myself to even begin to regard the Maori Party’s parliamentary personnel as MPs. Certainly, their actions underline my description of impractical and clueless people, but their efforts are not the ones of elected persons who were seeking to improve the lot of the country. Indeed, whatever selfish “efforts” they do make seem to be striving to achieve the exact opposite. Their periodic lapses into primitive braying show how little of civilisation they’ve actually acquired.
        
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        December 2, 2024 11:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Some of the crocked behind the scenes policy that was kept from the people of NZ created the divide
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:49am
- RoboRob
  
  You are too jaded Yvette, Labour has the solution to all New Zealands problems. With this one magic bullet they can fix race relations, housing, education, crime and health. It is amazing, the solution has been staring us in the face for so long and it will soon be upon us.
  
  What is this magic bullet policy? Why it is Labours only policy of course, a wealth or capital gains tax! With this innovative and out of the box policy Labour can solve all the issues within the NZ economy. Who would have thought a new tax could do so much to improve peoples lives.
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:59am
  - Scooter
    
    And of course according to Hipkins on Mike Hosking, National should have fixed the economy by now after 1 year and stop blaming Labour, whereas Labour never once blamed National for their 9 years. Hip o crit much Hipkins?
    
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    December 2, 2024 9:34am
    - pdm
      
      Hikins sounded like that drongo Jack Tame did when interviewing PM Luxon yesterday.
      
      Not a skerrick of economic nous between the two of them.
      
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      December 2, 2024 10:01am
      - Paulus
        
        Tame was dreadful once again – he pretends he knows everything and tries to ask intelligent questions as if we are to believe he is intelligent.
        Unsucessfully still – why pay him such a huge pay one of the largest in the so called media – for what ?
        
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        December 2, 2024 1:59pm
    - Paulus
      
      Called Hipkins in LaLa Land !
      
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      December 2, 2024 1:56pm
  - artemisia
    
    Wealth tax will not get over the Labour line, as long as they have a little look at what has happened elsewhere, like France but not only. In France the wealth tax was abandoned in a big hurry when the numpties noticed that wealth was fleeing into the arms of welcoming countries, including Russia. And in some cases just across the border into Belgium. Capital flight.
    
    One issue with CGT is that for many owners – farms, businesses, rentals, classic cars, gold bars …. – they can delay realising the capital gain until their accountant confirms it makes sense financially. Decades maybe. Unless desperate, or falling under the existing CG tax regime. So the projected revenue needs to be looked at very carefully.
    
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    December 2, 2024 10:03am
  - I remember when
    
    A wealth and capital gains tax.
    Why, because we need to increase the tax take.
    And, why do we need to increase the tax take?
    
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    December 2, 2024 10:05am
    - PurplePen
      
      I don’t mind so long as there’s a reduction elsewhere such as putting GST back to 12.5 or even 10 percent to offset the increase. I think it’s 10 in Oz?
      
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      December 2, 2024 10:41am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Purple.
        Whats your point?
        Oz 10% But has a capital gains tax.
        UK is 20%
        Canada 5%
        Hong Kong zero%
        
        https://www.globalvatcompliance.com/globalvatnews/world-countries-vat-rates-2020/
        
        Country wide taxation is not simple with a range of Taxes, income tax, property tax, capital gains tax, Inheritance tax, etc etc etc
        
        Like most things when its boiled down.
        
        Country taxation income is driven by Country expenditure.
        Cut expenditure then cut taxes.
        
        Remove wasted spending
        eg Trump plans on closing Federal Education amongst other things.
        Argentina’s new President has taken a UGE axe to his Government
        
        the number of ministries will be reduced from 18 to 9, and the secretariats – from 106 to 54. This will result in a 50% reduction in leadership positions for civil servants and a 34% decrease in the total number of political positions,
        
        https://tass.com/world/1720255
        
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        December 2, 2024 1:52pm
    - Bloody Dago
      
      Exactly what I reckon? How about jigging up the tax rates for all these iwi corporations who are “exempt” cause we’re the bros so we dont pay nuffing cause we own it anyway.
      
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      December 2, 2024 11:30am
  - Yvette
    
    RoboRob – You are too jaded Yvette, Labour has the solution to all New Zealands problems. With this one magic bullet they can fix race relations, housing, education, crime and health.
    
    Better Temu jade than that expensive Maori-only-access greenstone Waipunamu stuff
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    “I genuinely believe there are inequities in our tax system that a capital gains tax in some form could have helped to resolve. That’s an argument Labour has made as a party since 2011.
    “However after almost a decade campaigning on it, and after forming a government that represented the majority of New Zealanders, we have been unable to build a mandate for a capital gains tax. While I have believed in a CGT, it’s clear many New Zealanders do not. That is why I am also ruling out a capital gains tax under my leadership in the future.
    
    “My job now is to focus on the things we can and are doing to improve the wellbeing of all New Zealanders.
    “The Coalition Government is addressing the long-term challenges New Zealanders face such as mental health [1], climate change [2] and child poverty [3] and responding to the March 15 terrorist attack [4] and keeping New Zealanders safe. [5] Those challenges will be my priorities for the remainder of this term,” Jacinda Ardern said
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-will-not-implement-capital-gains-tax
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    [1] mental health – well, most of you are depressed we are in Government – but we will give you the opportunity to fix that next Election
    [2] We will do our bit, although as was said recently: if the whole climate change thingie was compared to a plane flight from Auckland to Los Angeles, thinking about New Zealand’s part while the vehicle pulls us from the air-bridge out towards the apron towards the runway, our methane output is the equivalent of that first one inch bump that tractor makes on starting the aircraft moving.
    [3] everyone should be aware of my abysmal non-performance there – 17 hours – Has the Prime Minister spent more time working on her Child Poverty Reduction portfolio? Or more time trying to escape to Antarctica?
    [4] We got him – the gunman-who-shall-not-be-named is in our highest security can
    [5] See [4]
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:21am
    - rouppe
      
      I genuinely believe there are inequities in our tax system that a capital gains tax in some form could have helped to resolve.
      
      There’s that weasel word again. “Could”.
      
      If we do nothing 80,000 people could die.
      We could have 50,000 daily cases by Waitangi weekend. (Quickly recanted when it turned out to be bollocks)
      The polar regions could be ice free by ~~1990~~ I mean ~~2000~~ I mean ~~2020~~ I mean…
      
      A CGT could help with [pick anything] but it could also just be pissed up against a wall of identity politics
      
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      December 2, 2024 5:03pm
- cmm
  
  “For the Maori who are among the lowest social demographics or statistics, Labour delivered next to nothing”
  
  They benefit out of the existence of the problem.
  
  Solving the problem would put them out of business.
  
  So where is the motivation to solve the problem?
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:03am
  - All_on_Red
    
    This is so true
    There is Political power and huge money in the Grievance Industry
    The pollies want it to continue so they can dole out money to the endless organisation’s set up to ‘solve’ the problem who in turn support those politicians who then ensure the money never runs out
    And so the cycle goes on.
    
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    December 2, 2024 9:09am
  - Paulus
    
    Only one motivation. more Money for them !
    And the rest of you can pay !
    
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    December 2, 2024 2:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ has had six Labour Governments.
  They have screwed us over six times, and they will do it again one day.
  The future Labour Party Marxists are in primary school being indoctrinated right now.
  Yep the free shit promises will buy the votes from the stupid again.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:23am
  - PurplePen
    
    I’m hoping that as with all teenagers, well a lot anyway, they reject their parents view of the world; and the kids being indoctrinated by our schools today will reject their indoctrination.
    
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    December 2, 2024 10:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The kids didn’t last time. Hook, line, sinker, and most of the arm.
      
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      December 2, 2024 1:11pm
  - Inandout
    
    SO, with the exception of Roger Douglas’ reforms during Lange’s reign.
    
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    December 2, 2024 3:13pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Its what they are, and how they roll.
  
  All they know is divide and conquer. To Labour the economy is always a zero-sum game. Anyone who makes money is clearly taking it from others, and fairness means cutting down anybody who works hard and tries to get ahead.
  
  The Labour party is the party of envy.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:52am
- Tricati
  
  If Hipkins is serious about bringing the country together, then maybe he should release their He Puapua report and explain how many parts have been implemented without wider consultation as promised by his predecessor.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html
  
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  December 2, 2024 12:37pm
Grunter

A decent post by Down to Earth Kiwi

https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/what-national-should-have-done-in-its-first-year-in-government

The health system one makes so much sense. Reti can run around and ‘optimise’ the current Soviet-styled centrally planned system but it will continue to be a broken 3rd world service. Govt monopolies have a 100% failure rate.
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December 2, 2024 8:05am
- PurplePen
  
  I like the idea to criminalise cartel behaviour. It’s a real pity the Minister didn’t go ahead with this. He has nothing to lose.
  
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  December 2, 2024 10:49am
artemisia

Maccas in Wanaka. Or not. Mike Hosking takes a swipe in the intro to his show this morning. Some excerpts ….

The National Public Health Service is exactly what’s wrong with this country. … creating work and waste … what te tiriti has to do with fries and a chocolate shake I have no idea and I suspect they don’t either … why is the industry and apparatus in not-doing-business so vast, so complicated, so expensive and so wasteful.

Noted that Public Health submissions are suddenly being reviewed by Health NZ. Maybe Margie Apa will tell the actual public the results of the review. Though more likely any public announcement from Health NZ will be buried under a few cubic metres of word salad.

Minister Reti’s announcement, hopefully not so much.

Meanwhile, this is not the only taxpayer funded overreach. Suspect other ‘reviews’ are being reluctantly considered.
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December 2, 2024 8:09am
- pdm
  
  Margie Apa – the latest contender for 8th Wonder of The Modern World.
  
  The wonder being – how does Margie Apa retain her job?
  
  As far as I can tell she seems more hindrance than help to anything Minister Shane Reti is trying to achieve in Health NZ.
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:19am
  - nygr
    
    Margie Apa earns circa $864,000 a year. Why on earth is Reti and his government still paying her anything. BTW Ministers inside Cabinet incl Shane Reti (Margie Apa’s boss ) earn $304,300. Is this the tail wagging the dog?
    
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    December 2, 2024 8:38am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Now thats a real Gender Pay gap
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      December 2, 2024 9:04am
    - Taieri
      
      earns circa $864,000 a year.
      ———
      
      Earns $864K?
      No.
      Gets paid $864K
      
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      December 2, 2024 10:16am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Surely Lester Levy could cut costs by giving Margie Apa the DCM notice.
  
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  December 2, 2024 12:27pm
  - Paulus
    
    Patience Bobba !
    
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    December 2, 2024 2:04pm
  - sirknz
    
    Pretty sure that is what the amendment to employment legislation that was announced last week is all about.
    
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    December 2, 2024 3:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why do our politicians subject themselves to the annual Waitangi Day ruckus at Waitangi?

At least 50 Iwi/Hapu have negotiated Waitangi Treaty settlements.

Wouldn’t it be more instructive/interesting for the general public if our politicians helped celebrate Waitangi Day amongst the folk who have been the recipients of a recent Treaty settlement?
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December 2, 2024 8:09am
- kowtow
  
  …..or amongst the folk paying for it all .
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:18am
- peterwn
  
  These folk would be a small elite group. The wider Iwi would be lucky to get a few crumbs off the table.
  This is why David Seymour’s Bill is so feared (and must be exterminated ASAP), it could open up for discussion as to what happens with treaty settlement money.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:47am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    DS is over the target like Bomber Command was over Dresden in 1944.
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:35am
    - Dave
      
      Given the moral debates over the Dresden bombing, that simile is rather ambiguous, even more so as the bombing was on February 13-15, 1945.
      
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      December 2, 2024 1:36pm
Pope Punctilious II

Theresa Gattung calls an 8.2 % “gender pay gap” a hidden economic crisis! New Zealand has a growing list of serious problems, like the cost of living, ideological hijack of our institutions, poverty, homelessness, a dysfunctional education system, crumbling infrastructure, the obesity epidemic, declining trust in our institutions, growing gang membership … I’ll stick my neck out and say an 8.2 % “gender pay gap” is nothing to worry about.
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December 2, 2024 8:12am
- sherp
  
  Strange how there isn’t a single female body in Pike river mine.
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:46am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Bang on Sherp. I love a comment which says so much with so few words!
    
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    December 2, 2024 9:40am
  - PurplePen
    
    And I’ve never seen one waist deep with a shovel in hand doing drainage or roadworks. As an aside, I have in Thailand. I often saw women doing roadworks and hard manual labour jobs.
    
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    December 2, 2024 10:54am
    - MCōs
      
      You’re never likely to see me participating in such an activity either. So what?
      
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      December 2, 2024 11:46am
      - Don Beckett
        
        No surprises there. 🙂
        
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        December 2, 2024 11:59am
- Ipanema69
  
  Any article quoting TG should have a footnote quoting the value of Telecom shares on her first day as CEO and her last day.
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:49am
  - Paulus
    
    She has been behind what can described as business failures in which she is involved, taking great payments, as a result has personally has come out smelling of Roses.
    However still loved by other woman.
    
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    December 2, 2024 2:08pm
- BarryB
  
  The Navy is doing their best to remove any gender pay gap – and I mean ANY gender.
  The results are starting to show………..
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:49am
  - Sideoiler
    
    Three of the four women commanders are either the subject of a military court of inquiry, or on gardening leave. The women who was the commander of the Canterbury, is on extended leave, the Navy will not say why.
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:01am
  - cmm
    
    They have created a reverse gap. 60% of ships have female commanders. Based on the Naval employment stats you would expect only 25% or so.
    
    What is more troubling though is HMNZS Canterbury’s commander saying she brings a “woman’s touch” to the ship.
    
    Sorry missus, you should only bring the “Navy’s touch” to the operation of a Naval vessel.
    
    Since she’s currently under a cloud, one wonders if maybe a “woman’s touch” has a second meaning.
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:14am
- kowtow
  
  Ah yes , some of the wealthiest and wheeler dealerest folk in NZ banging on about ‘inequities’ ………
  
  ………why does Marie Antionette and her cakes come to mind.
  
  ‘Let them eat from My Food Bag”
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:05am
- Burtland
  
  DEI was supposed to be fixing it
  – it got her in charge of Telecom – look how that went
  – that got her in charge of FoodBag – look how that went
  Now shes hawking a matchmaking agency for single cat ladies
  
  ” I was always too flamboyant and opinionated” – Teressa Gattung
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:17am
  - sirknz
    
    Those cat ladies will never find their ideal man, even with the help of a matchmaking agency, because he doesn’t exist. If he does exist, he won’t need the help of a matchmaking agency to find himself an eligible woman.
    
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    December 2, 2024 4:05pm
- Gussy Fink-Nottle
  
  Gattung pumped My Food Bag shares to customers and employees.
  The IPO was obscenely overvalued.
  She made millions overnight.
  The cedulous shareholders lost 90% of their stake.
  Now she’s lecturing us about equality of renumeration.
  Good grief.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:39am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Ms Gattung has never suffered from a gender pay gap.
  
  Many, many people who invested on her recommendation have however – ahem my food bag…
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:55am
  - sirknz
    
    Anybody who invested in My Food Bag deserved it. You didn’t need to be a financial genius to see that it was overvalued and work out that everyone involved just wanted to get their money out, if it was such a good buy, the entire management team would’ve stayed in or upped their stakes.
    
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    December 2, 2024 4:08pm
Yvette

Treaty Bill – democratic conscience vote on a constitutional matter

The Green Party has urged the Speaker to allow a conscience vote on the Treaty Principles Bill, calling it a “divisive waste of time.” Co-leader Chlöe Swarbrick criticized National MPs for inconsistent stances, advocating for individual responsibility and aligning with public opposition to the bill.
https://www.greens.org.nz/green_party_calls_for_conscience_vote_on_treaty_principles_bill

The bill has now passed the vote which this claim applied to, but there is no “conscience vote” intended on the next vote, to kill the bill in its tracks, or not, and is that because all parties, other than ACT, claim the bill to be so divisive that they fear some MPs may actually divisively break party constraints to reflect what each MPs honestly believes represents their constituents’ views?

At that stage – just under six months away now – a “conscience vote” should be allowed

Chlöe Swarbrick, on the vote to send the bill to select committee (which has happened already), was a vote without any absolute knowledge, of course, of what examination of the bill in the Committee Stage can reveal. So for a pretty much blind vote, Chlöe said –

“It’s time for the 123 Members of this Parliament to take personal, individual responsibility for whether the Treaty Principles Bill nonsense goes any further.
… our country’s precious energy and focus being poured into this imported, divisive culture war for months as this plays out at Select Committee. But that’s not inevitable. If MPs were free to vote with their conscience, I am confident many would align with regular New Zealanders, and put this rubbish in the bin where it belongs,” says Chlöe Swarbrick.

– so why not, more truthfully, say there will be an informed conscience non-Party (non identity politics) vote at the end of the Committee Stage when MPs have the benefit of Committee examination process and also six months to gauge the response of the voters they actually represent.
You know: a sort of responsible (full definition of the word ‘responsible”) democratic conscience vote on a constitutional matter.

As Willie claims – “There is nothing to be afraid of” and individual consensus removes “the tyranny of the majority”
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December 2, 2024 8:13am
- Grunter
  
  So silly, and hypocritical Chloe wants MP’s to have a conscience vote , but she doesn’t want all voters to have a conscience vote (referendum). Doesn’t that kinda sound a bit mean Chloe….??
  
  It’s almost like you’re an authoritarian tyrant that “knows best what the people want”.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:28am
  - pdm
    
    Grunter imagine Chloe if one of her Greens voted for the Treaty Principles Bill in a conscience vote.
    
    She would be spewing!!!
    
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    December 2, 2024 10:08am
  - peterwn
    
    The Greens have tried that stunt before. A ‘conscience vote’ can only happen if the whips of all (or perhaps most) parties agree and advise their members accordingly.
    
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    December 2, 2024 10:12am
- Eastlander
  
  Does it not occur to her that a conscience vote might lead to the Bill passing? Why is she asking for a chance to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:41am
  - David Garrett
    
    East: If the Nats were allowed a free vote on this totally inocuous Bill I believe there is every chance it would pass.
    
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    December 2, 2024 10:05am
    - I remember when
      
      DG:
      Would that be because those voting against the bill don’t agree with it?
      
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      December 2, 2024 10:34am
    - MCōs
      
      You can say what you like safe in the knowledge your assumption will never be put to the test.
      Unlike some democratic jurisdictions, which are more democratic than ours.
      You don’t even know how the Act MPs, or the Māori Party MPs would vote, although any deviation from the party lines would make the haka in the chamber look like small beer indeed.
      
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      December 2, 2024 12:00pm
      - I remember when
        
        So am I to understand less than 11% of our Members of Parliament agree with the Treaty Principles Bill, while something approaching half of voting New Zealanders possibly would?
        
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        December 2, 2024 12:17pm
    - Eastlander
      
      DG: There surely aren’t many National MPs who actually share Finlayson’s view of the matter. Would there be any Labour MPs who would go for it in this climate though?
      
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      December 2, 2024 12:47pm
- peterwn
  
  It is not something the Speaker can order. The Speaker cannot order that the Whips put their whips away.
  
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  December 2, 2024 10:14am
  - MCōs
    
    In America the speaker, who is more the equivalent of our Leader of the House, could ensure the bill didn’t come to a vote, from my understanding.
    
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    December 2, 2024 12:03pm
Souvlaki

Maybe, given her militancy, perhaps the honourable thing to do would be to renounce her ‘colonial’ title huh?Not going to hold my breath however!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/waitangi-tribunal-begins-historic-wananga-a-rohe-on-maori-sovereignty-in-ngaruawahia/YNPFBAF55FDRTPM7GANHNWTTDM/
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December 2, 2024 8:13am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Quite! Lack of self-awareness, or just “hypertrophy of the sense of entitlement”?
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:25am
- Taieri
  
  renounce her ‘colonial’ title
  ———–
  
  Her title is due to her husband having been knighted. And it’s her husband that she should renounce as he’s very much the colonial relic, being a retired Anglican archbishop.
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:46am
- sherp
  
  Weird how the British crown just gave maori full rights of British citizens without anything like gaining sovereignty over the land in return…. also you would think that all the cheifs who singed the treaty would have created their own governance system if they never ceded sovereignty… insted they voted for representatives in the government the British crown established.
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:50am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Sssssshhhh the truth that is reality is inconvenient.
    
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    December 2, 2024 9:50am
  - pdm
    
    Sorry sherp couldn’t resist.
    
    Maybe if the chiefs had burned the Treaty properly instead of just `singing’ it we would not be having all of this drama 120 odd years on.
    
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    December 2, 2024 10:12am
    - Jethrod
      
      Here is what happened to the original TOW
      https://nzhistory.govt.nz/politics/treaty/read-the-treaty/preserving-the-documents
      
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      December 2, 2024 1:03pm
  - MCōs
    
    British subjects not citizens
    There’s no way Māori could get British passports
    My first passport states I’m a NZ citizen and a British Subject.
    I enquired about getting a British passport, but I wasn’t eligible.
    Being a British Subject was pretty much meaningless for me.
    
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    December 2, 2024 12:12pm
- gravedodger
  
  sherp there is a degree of denial of transgender right there//
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:34am
- PurplePen
  
  From the article “The tribunal will hear how recognised Māori health organisations and Māori providers like Te Kōhao Health and others like it, recognised by the Waitangi Tribunal as “models of excellence” are an expression of tino rangatiratanga.”.
  
  Except they’re not tino rangatiratanga (TR) as they’re funded by everyone else. TR would be a model similar to North American Indians. Tribes, on their own land, with their own money raised by their own commercial activity and tax on their own people would implement their own health organisations, etc. I’d be quite happy with that. It’s fair and it’s in accordance with section 71 of the 1952 Constitution of NZ Act. Which has been superseded.
  
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  December 2, 2024 11:04am
  - Haast
    
    No, their ‘sovereignty’ isn’t self funded. And you wonder how efficient they are with all those staff. Has anyone studied how effective their funding is in improving Maori health?
    
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    December 2, 2024 3:04pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Simple question.
  Where in the ACT does the Tribunal get the authority to spend public money on this charade?
  
  https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1975/0114/latest/whole.html#DLM435392
  
  Section 5 applies. Functions of Tribunal.
  Or has the Tribunal Followed the Ministry of Health and Wanaka , gone “”off road””
  
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  December 2, 2024 2:11pm
Scott

Progressive procurement is being ditched!
This from Act’s latest newsletter:
‘Cameron Luxton wrote to local councils across New Zealand, calling on them to ditch ‘progressive procurement policies’. These policies see businesses win or lose council contracts based on how ‘progressive’, ‘diverse’ or ‘sustainable’ they are, detracting from a value-for-money focus.

In September, the Government ditched Labour’s quota for 8 per cent of government agencies’ contracts to be awarded to Māori businesses. It’s time for councils to follow suit.

In February, the Auckland Mayor flagged a review of the Council’s procurement policies after a long-standing contractor was ruled ineligible based on a lack of ‘social enterprise skills’ and relationships with community and Māori organisations. ”

This is welcome news as it ditches the idea that Maori businesses or businesses that have DEI policies should be preferred suppliers to Central and local government.

Maybe we are going back to merit and cost effectiveness and quality as criteria for selecting contractors? What a great concept! 😎
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December 2, 2024 8:15am
- kowtow
  
  These institutions are so infested with leftism , they’ll find ways around it.
  
  The Swamp is very deep.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:08am
- Paulus
  
  Will not happen in Local Government, too many backs get scratched in every process often very quietly, and it has got worse.
  Certainly in Tauranga there are a number of aspects now being reviewed by the Auditor General, the senior staff being cogniscant of what was happening under the old Mahuta Commissioners
  But they are employees under only person with authority, the CEO, not Mayor or Councillors.
  All Local Governments, 71 I think, are the same, thanks to Helen Clark.
  
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  December 2, 2024 2:19pm
Scooter

I don’t think I have seen a more biased, argumentative and disrespectful interview than Jack Tame had with Chris Luxon. Constantly interrupting, repeating questions over and over. As a contrast listen to Leighton Smith where each week you will hear an interviewer not interested in hearing their own voice and opinions but who they are interviewing. Jack Tame should be highly embarrassed and needs to grow up and should be reported to the broadcast standards authority. Just imagine if there was an interview like that with Jacinda. Helen Clark had the balls to call John Campbell a creep, Luxon needs to call out this little *’@# as well.
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December 2, 2024 8:17am
- G152
  
  The interviewed should point out that boy is a raving nutter during the interview
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Luxon is not going to show anger in any way to the people, have you noticed a couple of times the media after interviews say Luxon hit s as they? It’s part of their filthy vulgar attack MO
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:55am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  I believe the epithet was “sanctimonious little creep”.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:12am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I am seriously thinking of complaining to the BSA.
  
  https://www.bsa.govt.nz/broadcasting-standards/broadcasting-code-book-2022/the-codebook
  
  As you can see from the link above the criteria are complicated.
  
  It is more than his questioning of Laxon. He was totally different when it came to Rod Carr. Carr started going on about methane when he did not have the science qualification.
  
  Next, he launched an attack on Seymour who was not there. It was some nonsense about an Atlas Network.
  
  He then mentioned three National Ministers who would not go on his show.
  
  Not everyone feels like many on this blog. If you look at Facebook or YouTube many on the left think he is fantastic.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:30am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I have now made an official complaint to TVNZ.
    
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    December 2, 2024 2:52pm
    - sirknz
      
      My prediction of the outcome:
      
      “We have investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong, and we’ll do it all again given half a chance.”
      
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      December 2, 2024 4:27pm
- Grunter
  
  I forced myself to watch this because I wanted to hear what Luxon said about the Treaty Bill. He gave out the same word soup, so nothing new. He lacks leadership and any logical thoughts on this topic.
  
  I thought the rest of the interview was a complete train-wreck for Luxon. Yes ‘Lame Tame’ was his usual horrible annoying Leftard self, but Luxon was hopelessly lost on giving credible answers to most topics.
  
  This Govt is in the crap if the economy remains in recession mode for another year or 2. And right now there is nothing in their “100-day plans” that will spark economic activity. Some good direction, but just way too slow and cautious.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:36am
  - Scooter
    
    The way Tame was attacking Luxon and not letting him speak, I would say anyone apart from David Seymour or Winston Peters, Shane Jones would let him get away with it. And Tame wouldn’t have the guts to try that kind of gotcha interview with them. Luxon needs to get a backbone and not pander to the lefty media esp Tame.
    
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    December 2, 2024 10:20am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I bet Tame would not have a go at Hosking or Jane Smith, the farmer who is on air often with Jamie McKay.
      
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      December 2, 2024 10:32am
      - Scooter
        
        Tame doesn’t interview them, he interviews politicians, and goes softly on his lefty cause.
        
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        December 2, 2024 11:18am
    - Paulus
      
      Let him try Shane Jones, like some silly little girl tried on TVNZ lunchtime programme today.
      And we still pay these stupid ignorant shouters trying to get known.
      Any intelligent College girl, having done her homework, would do better.
      
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      December 2, 2024 2:23pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Apparently Q&A gets 77,000 viewers.
    
    Would be great to know the breakdown by age and leanings.
    
    One would have thought that a Prime Minister would be prepped by his media handlers how to handle Tame. From his performance, apparently not. Is that PM arrogance thinking he could wing it???
    
    A thort crossed my mind, how would Trump have handled this young man. I suggest he would have walked all over the young ranter.
    
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    December 2, 2024 2:20pm
- imalwaysright
  
  One would think that a Prime Minister would be capable of dealing with a petulant C grade interviewer from a D grade media company.
  
  Tame treated Luxon like a studio prop while he spouted his activist drivel.
  
  But the worst part was that Luxon let him.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    For years National MPs have been needing some very good media training.
    
    Surely the Nats can afford to bring in someone to show Luxon and co how to handle a hostile interview.
    
    (It ain’t rocket science, folks).
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:33am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Andrew Bolt or just about anyone from Sky News Australia.
      
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      December 2, 2024 2:02pm
- PurplePen
  
  Thankfully I didn’t watch it and have no intention, and stopped watching TVNZ news etc years ago. If nothing else, wouldn’t a useful initiative be for everyone to stop watching them for a selected month next year.
  
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  December 2, 2024 11:10am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Maybe watch it for a day, to see who the advertisers are, and email the advertisers to tell them we will be using their opposition.
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:34am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Omg! Ingrid Hipkins is talking over Crazy Chloe, not letting her waffle and tell lies. Where has this newfound ability to critique the Left come from?

RNZ 8.15am
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December 2, 2024 8:18am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Ingrid Hipkins?
  
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  December 2, 2024 8:56am
- PurplePen
  
  Thanks. I’ll see if I can find a podcast. Haven’t tuned in for months.
  
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  December 2, 2024 11:11am
- Burtland
  
  the world accordingly to Chloe
  – blah blah blah existential crisis blah blah blah
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018966601/greens-on-request-from-oil-and-gas-lobby-group-for-govt-to-underwrite-risk-of-oil-exploration
  
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  December 2, 2024 11:18am
  - PurplePen
    
    Listened and there might be two instances of Ingrid over talking and just barely.
    
    In any case, Chloe frightening us all with the hyperbolic ‘humanity is facing an existential crisis’ and other fantastic phrases gets tiresome. What a load of guilt-laden twaddle.
    
    I’ll add hydro is about 8% of total world energy supply and all other renewables around 6% or some smallish number. The rest is nuclear and fossil fuels. There’s a looooooong way to go before fossil fuels can or will be made redundant.
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:29am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Purple.
      Apparently 47 years reserves of Oil already discovered.
      https://www.worldometers.info/oil/
      
      Let alone Gas reserves
      52 years
      https://www.worldometers.info/gas/
      
      A fallback being coal
      133 years of reserves.
      https://www.worldometers.info/coal/
      
      My faith in the human ability for innovation (think, the internet/commercial web is less than 40 years old, Smartphones are less than 25 years old).
      
      and innovation is going ahead in leaps and bounds,(AI anyone) with vast numbers of Scientists in China inventing new stuff and ways of doing things. (they have more patents than the US at the moment)
      
      https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3207580/china-leads-global-patent-race-needs-breakthrough-close-gap-west-ai-chips
      
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      December 2, 2024 2:34pm
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    She, Cloe , and Luxon seem to have similar rapid fire monotonous delivery. Seymour is slow and deliberate and that is very hard for an interviewer to interrupt.
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:38am
BarryB

So – Zelenskyy has finally publicly come to the conclusion that was inevitable from the day Russian activity crossed the border to support the culturally Russian people of eastern Ukraine – that eastern Ukraine will become formally part of Russia.
Ukraine will not become a NATO country (as Zelenskyy has said is a condition of ending hostilities) and all that will be achieved by his stubbornness and stupidity is the death of half a million Ukranian military (and half a million Russians), the ruination of Ukraine and the biggest losers of all –
the ordinary people of Ukraine.
Infrastructure is shot, agriculture – Ukraines main income – is ruined and industry is ruined.
Its of no use to say that Russia was at fault or that the west didnt help enough. It was obvious since 2014 when the separatists in the east started shooting that it would not end well; and a shonky election that bought Zelenskyy to power only made the result more inevitable. I expect that when the hostilities cease one of the first things to happen will be Zelenskyy hanging at the end of a rope.
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December 2, 2024 8:22am
- Grunter
  
  “…Zelenskyy hanging at the end of a rope.”
  
  As he should, along with Boris Johnston who is still rambling….”We Will Win!!” at every opportunity.
  
  These two have made millions personally from this horrible war. And the worst part of it is only just getting underway as Russia continues with the annialation phase.
  
  The MSM scam merchants still haven’t woken up to the BS espoused by the US Military Industrial Complex.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:42am
  - Allan
    
    Any proof of your claims?
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:07am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Grunter is correct.
      Are you saying that an ex cross dressing tv comedian is running a defensive war against Russia?
      Zelensky is preforming the role of a lifetime. He is the highest paid actor in the history of mankind.
      The main victims are the Ukrainian people.
      The other victims are the rest of us.
      The winners are the Dems and the weapons industry.
      
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      December 2, 2024 11:46am
      - All_on_Red
        
        You guys should use Citations to back up your ‘bold’ claims
        Grunter has a track record of saying stuff which isn’t correct
        And its ‘Johnson’ not Johnston
        At least if you are going to smear someone by saying they “have made millions personally” then spell their name right. And prove it.
        
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        December 2, 2024 2:59pm
- Burtland
  
  7 days to Kiev grows to 1000 – the ruble collapses – again
  the separatist’s dream of mighty stalinist russia has turned into a fools nightmare
  its now beyond putlers [Use proper names please. mod. – Putin’s] scorched earth army and requires trump to save it
  
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  December 2, 2024 10:32am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Russia is now the world’s fourth largest economy.
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:49am
    - NothingLeft
      
      ??? It’s 11th, and not far ahead of South Korea, Australia and Mexico.
      
      And given recent collapse in Ruble it is probably behind them now.
      
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      December 2, 2024 1:14pm
- Eastlander
  
  Oh he’ll be fine. Nobody important in Ukraine actually wants to see a former President killed – Viktor Yanukovich was able to flee the country at a time when Valentin Nalyvaichenko was in control of the interior ministry and SBU and could conceivably have caught up with him if there had been any will to do so.
  
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  December 2, 2024 2:03pm
- BarryB
  
  a couple of reports.
  https://english.nv.ua/nation/zelenskyy-predicts-ukraine-eu-talks-to-start-in-early-2025-50470847.html
  
  https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/zelenskyy-admits-negotiations-with-russia-1733067182.html
  
  https://news.sky.com/story/zelenskyy-suggests-hes-prepared-to-end-ukraine-war-in-return-for-nato-membership-even-if-russia-doesnt-immediately-return-seized-land-13263085
  
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  December 2, 2024 3:11pm
  - Eastlander
    
    All of his talk about peace negotiations is meaningless since he himself made it illegal to negotiate with the Federation. Until he revokes that decree he’s just blowing smoke. And the Russians probably wouldn’t be interested even if he had a serious offer in mind and not some ‘clever plan’ so insultingly stupid that even Viktor Chernomyrdin wouldn’t be fooled by it.
    
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    December 2, 2024 4:25pm
BarryB

Well well – the Balkans have lived up to history. An explosion at some canal and water supply system in or near Kosovo. Sounds like WW1 all over again.
For hundreds of years the Balkans have regularly decided to break the boredom by one tribe or other deciding to shoot some of their neighbors. The last time was 1982 I think.
The Balkans are occupied by what are called South Slavic peoples. I dont know why they go crazy every so often – it must be in their genes.
Expect things to get worse before they get better. If history is any guide it will get quiet bloody. These people have perfected the art of Utu. In comparison the Maoris were learners compared to this lot.
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December 2, 2024 8:46am
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: The Democracy That Never Was.
DOGE days cometh to a government office near you.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-the-democracy-that-never?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 2, 2024 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  DOGE needs to happen in NZ.
  “Firstly, thankyou for coming in today, and second, you’re fired!”
  
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  December 2, 2024 10:07am
- blue collar
  
  Elon asked all his employees at twitter when it became X ….
  What did you get done this week ?
  
  At his AI X outfit , he spent 18 hours straight one day interviewing EVERYBODY in 5 minute slots
  12 x 5 = 60mins x 18 ….. 216 ? Employees
  
  So every employee had a chance to tell the big boss what they were working on
  Every employee had an opportunity to be recognised for their effort
  Every employee had an opportunity to get comprehensive feedback from the big boss on what they should be doing
  
  And there’s no place to hide
  
  Watch out USA govt .
  Elon is ruthless , switched on , doesn’t tolerate fools or idiots , and works harder than you .
  
  Bring it on
  
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  December 2, 2024 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Can NZ just borrow Elon for a week, please?
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:18am
Bridgenag

Local Green discovers that infinity migrants might not be so great after developer announces plans to open a migrant housing facility in his tiny Bavarian village

“While migrants are best known for their occasional terrorism and their penchant for perpetrating violent crimes against the locals, they have a wide range of more quotidian and therefore more significant drawbacks. Migrants cost taxpayers billions of dollars, they commit petty crimes like theft far above the rates of Europeans and in general they’re poorly calibrated for life in Western society. They are terrible neighbours who catcall women, bother shopkeepers and vandalise public facilities. They make natives more uncomfortable and everyday life more unpleasant.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/local-green-discovers-that-infinity?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 2, 2024 8:50am
- Paulus
  
  At least New Zealand is not in the same position with those immigrating, many of whom are glad to be here, and doing a job, as we are aware from some personal contacts.
  It those who from the Middle East who will perforce eventually breed children with a low mentality as we see in the Middle East.
  We believe that children of the Tampa entry for example have gone to West Sydney with a similar Lebanese violent mentality.
  They concern the Police, as was a riot a few years ago with the same children.
  So far be grateful for the immigrant and refugee people.
  Most do work as well.
  
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  December 2, 2024 2:40pm
Handyman

The public is being conditioned for another cost blowout on the Auckland City Rail Loop. The “accidental” release of a report by the Council blames the French contractor for upcoming cost increases.
As I have seen in too many IT projects — the first 80% is easy; it is the last 80% that is hard.
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December 2, 2024 8:51am
- peterwn
  
  The French contractor would have kept good documentation and would be able to show that it was required to do all sorts of ‘variations’.
  Like the Justice Precinct in Christchurch – Fletcher Construction was faced with a ‘moving target’ and kept records of all the extra work it was asked to do (much of it was ‘face saving’ work). Their payment requests for variations were declined so Fletchers sued and was awarded payments for most if not all the variations.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:58am
- Jethrod
  
  Mitre 10 is in the doo-doo to $120 million over a IT project too. The poor franchisees are going to have to cover it. Nails and wood are going up.
  
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  December 2, 2024 1:10pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    NZ goes to a restaurant and brings their own cow.
    Then they want a discount.
    
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    December 2, 2024 1:25pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Agreed.
  Large are projects 90% finished 90% of the time.
  
  My experience of Government IT back in the 80s. Has anything changed?
  
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  December 2, 2024 2:47pm
All_on_Red

On Candace Owen- here’s a clip where she talks to Bill Maher.
They cover the moon landing. She denies she said they were fake (she refers to a tweet asking about Conspiracy Theories) but possibly worse, admits she didn’t know they even happened…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx_qtG_mfrU
Here’s an article with video about the claim she denied Mengele conducted experiments.
She sort of doesnt deny it happened but it seems she is not aware of the extent of the things he did.
But postulates they are so extreme it doesn’t seem logical they happened.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/10/media/candace-owens-calls-mengeles-holocaust-experiments-bizarre-propaganda-in-latest-antisemitic-scandal/
She certainly isn’t a fan of Israel and alludes to Jewish influence in politics and business but is she antisemitic or just dumb and ignorant?
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December 2, 2024 8:55am
- RoboRob
  
  ‘..is she antisemitic or just dumb and ignorant’
  
  The more important question is, does it matter? What harm would having Owens come and speak in NZ cause? All her views are already online and available free to a much larger audience then her show could ever achieve.
  
  I would suggest if the new criteria for entrance into the country is antisemitics are banned, then ZERO UN officials should be granted entry and most Muslims would also be banned.
  
  If the criteria is ‘no crazies with strange, un scientific views’ I would suggest Neil Degrass Tyson and the staff of scientific America be banned for their views on men and woman sports people being equal and that woman loose to men only because they have been oppressed. While we are at it, lets ban all Democrat party members as they believe that men can breastfeed children and that there is no such thing as mothers, just ‘chest feeders’.
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Australia banned Candace Owens because their Immigration Minister says “she incites discord in all directions.”
  NZ bans her because she has been banned by another Country.
  I though the reason for banning was the person had committed a crime. Is Candace a criminal? Censoring free speech because it might offend someone has gotten out of hand.
  I go back to Zaoui. He must have been a criminal to have that passport he ripped up and disposed of in the toilet. He was let into NZ.
  
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  December 2, 2024 10:42am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Correct Steve, but Zaoui was attractive to the lefty ladies who strangely enough lacked satisfaction.
    All he had to do was talk some gibberish in intentionally broken English and wait for the remuera bob trail of tears.
    Basically the circus was in town…
    
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    December 2, 2024 1:32pm
  - Paulus
    
    Zaoui is in jail, as a terrorist in North Africa, and has been for while.
    Can we assume that his huge family are still here ?
    
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    December 2, 2024 2:46pm
Yvette

When is Winston going to drop the Official Information Act response I am sure he has requested on the material Willie was holding from the over 70 hui held to collect feedback from carefully selected Maori groups on what they thought of He Paupau – material Willie was still to knock 20 percent of into suitable shape to be acceptable by his Cabinet colleagues – you know: the He Paupau exercise which had been with-held from Winston, which while Winston has so often said “It is my job to know” but in this case didn’t know, but due to his follow-through thoroughness, must have it all in his hands now, to reveal the extent of Willie’s aspirations for his chosen people.

Winston should drop this stuff shortly so it can be hot topic along with Seymour’s sayings, around up-coming barbeques and beers especially over the Christmas New Year annual break summer saussie sizzle season.
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December 2, 2024 9:17am
- imalwaysright
  
  “…from the over 70 hui held to collect feedback from carefully selected Maori groups …”
  
  Yes, they were extremely carefully selected!
  Apparently over the entire tour only 370 people turned up.
  Knowing Jackson’s style, he would have counted himself and his staff at each meeting, and then we have the staff at the marae who do the sarnies!
  One would have to ask did any “interested parties” turn up?
  
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  December 2, 2024 9:57am
- Burtland
  
  when will the 4 million ‘shoosh-you-racists’ have their say
  – Cindies broken promise
  
  what a shameful divisive time bomb she dropped on this country
  
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  December 2, 2024 10:51am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yvette.
    You constantly call the document He Paupau. That is incorrect.
    It is HE PUAPUA . Just thought you should know so you can correct it. 🙂
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:28am
    - Yvette
      
      Thank you, Don, for the correction
      
      • “He Puapua means ‘a break’, which usually refers to a break in the waves.
      • paupau (stative) be consumed, exhausted, used up, not enough in the tank, finished, spent – implies frequency.
      
      I hope I now have them sorted
      
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      December 2, 2024 12:11pm
I remember when

Great to hear Rod Carr explain to Jack Tame that there were no reasons for us not to move to a fossil free future.
Of course, Jack didn’t question him about the ease with which this would be attained.
Jack let him skip through plentiful supply of batteries, no mention of effect on visual environment, and sources that are far into the future (heated water).
All of which will ensure we have a plentiful supply of low cost power.
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December 2, 2024 9:33am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  To “defossilise” transport in NZ will only require 100% of the current grid capacity.
  
  Say it quickly and its easy.
  
  Then you need to close down Huntly, get rid of gas and any form of generation other than wind, hydro, geothermal and solar.
  
  Its all vapourware. But mugs like our government – and the Europeans will happily de-industrialise the entire economy to “save the planet” while our competitors in Asia and South America cannot believe their luck!
  
  The west is in the process of succumbing completely to its latest pathology – they win without firing a shot.
  
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  December 2, 2024 10:05am
  - Burtland
    
    and its not just transport …
    
    ” the total capacity required for data centres will reach around 500MW over the next five years” – Vector
    
    Manapouri is 800MW – thanks Labour
    
    the article is behind a paywall – no surprise there
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/revealed-the-size-of-microsofts-colossal-auckland-data-centre-spend/YCV7B6ECGZADRBBCVN4WKNK62M/
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:01am
- All_on_Red
  
  This clip off the new TV series ‘Landman’ is going viral due to how it points out civilisation would collapse without Oil
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmbZwxEnAFc
  Perhaps the moron Carr should watch it.
  Fools like him are actually dangerous with their misguided zealotry.
  
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  December 2, 2024 10:29am
  - Master Mariner
    
    And to do at sea, Times it by 10.
    There is absolutely no sense in installing offshore windmills .
    
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    December 2, 2024 11:13am
- Keith White
  
  Rod Carr could move himself to a 100% fossil free future right now if he believed his own BS. He could have a few stone tools made and head out into the wilderness and live like a Stone Ager, instead of a Stoned Chloeclone.
  
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  December 2, 2024 3:53pm
Bridgenag

The Blokes at Bowls all over this stuff

DMSO Revolutionizes Skin Care and Dermatology
Exploring how skin health goes hand in hand with whole body health

https://open.substack.com/pub/amidwesterndoctor/p/dmso-revolutionizes-skin-care-and?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 2, 2024 9:40am
- Yabster
  
  Do you use it- and where do you get it from?
  
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  December 2, 2024 10:39am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Buy neat online in NZ. Cut with filtered water or castor oil. Very long posts online
    
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    December 2, 2024 12:48pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Amazing stuff Of course use it.
    
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    December 2, 2024 12:48pm
    - kevn
      
      Bridge… What is the ratio for use? Just a rub on type application? Thanks.
      
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      December 2, 2024 4:03pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Bridg,
  “The Blokes at Bowls”
  That rings a bell…
  Where’s Maggie Pie?
  We could do with a laugh.
  
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  December 2, 2024 11:56am
  - Bridgenag
    
    some people should change their medications….
    
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    December 2, 2024 1:08pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I think you, and others , misinterpreted.
      Maggie used to refer to the Girls at Tennis.
      That was the basis of my quip.
      But if it is above you all, then maybe you should try harder to comprehend what is in front of you.
      
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      December 2, 2024 1:39pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Oh dear. Another wonder medicine, hohum
  
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  December 2, 2024 2:56pm
Swifty

Forget naming the country Aotearoa or New Zealand for that matter, let’s agree on our new name ‘The Bronx’.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/dairy-owner-installs-security-gate-buzzer-camera-fog-cannons-bollards-out-of-desperation-over-crime/KWH6Z6COABE75NGR6PXSXCLP6I/
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December 2, 2024 9:57am
- Paulus
  
  I will not accept the new name for New Zealand which is being daily, and continually, thrust down our ears by the media.
  Once it was two words but the name New Zealand I know has been dropped all the time now.
  Like Auckland no longer exists.
  
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  December 2, 2024 2:52pm
I remember when

It isn’t really the Treaty Settlements money that is the problem.
The real problem is the amount being siphoned off from Local Government and businesses so that they can operate without disruption.
All being removed from the tax collection as a result of the Treaty Settlements.
Money (assets) used for settlements and, at the same time, removed from the future tax take.
An amount that the general public are largely unaware of and no one knows how much it totals.
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December 2, 2024 10:21am
- imalwaysright
  
  Michael Laws discovered $4.8 million paid to local maoris, over a few years, that was not approved by his council’s councillors.
  In other words, there is public rates money being paid to maoris without the approval of elected representatives.
  Laws says it is common practice throughout NZ !
  Think about that when we pay our rates, or, withhold rates payments until full accounts are published .
  
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  December 2, 2024 12:04pm
  - Paulus
    
    You cannot withold rates as the Council can sell your house from under you, by law !
    
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    December 2, 2024 2:54pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360501182/student-9-takes-speed-safety-campaign-local-politicians

The 9-year old is a PUPIL, not a STUDENT.

And the writer of this article should try and avoid using “gotten” if they want to be taken seriously.
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December 2, 2024 10:47am
- David Garrett
  
  Grey: I wince along with you every time I see “gotten”…but I fear it’s now way too late to eliminate that particular Americanism…sometimes we do just have to accept language evolution
  
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  December 2, 2024 11:13am
  - lifesgood
    
    The lack of the adverb drives me crazy. Everybody seems to be doing it now and sometimes it simply doesn’t make sense.
    
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    December 2, 2024 12:50pm
    - mandk
      
      It drives me crazy, too.
      
      I think we should start a campaign for the restoration of adverbs real quick //
      
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      December 2, 2024 2:41pm
      - Keith White
        
        Most rickytick indeed mandk.
        
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        December 2, 2024 3:54pm
      - greybeard
        
        Absolutely ! Do it fast !
        
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        December 2, 2024 4:32pm
Jack5

For technology lovers …

Expect a glut of secondhand computer gear coming on the market over the next 12 months as Microsoft lowers the boom on Windows 10.

At the link below, Christopher Barnatt, a hardware and graphics guru on Youtube, has a look at the coming wave, and touches on Windows 12, which is coming up in 2025.

This is a 15 minute video, and the first part mainly looks at his hardware picks of 2024. The Windows glut comes up after around 13 minutes or so.

He also has an interesting comment on AI an its effect on Internet search sites.

https://youtu.be/XE5QYXrj–8?si=m18BbR41jG0TvuK0
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December 2, 2024 10:52am
- cmm
  
  Having only used Linux for the last 20 years, I really don’t understand why people inflict Windows on themselves (and their computers).
  
  #disclaimer: I do have a grudge with Microsoft after they blamed me for stealing their IP. On that basis they made tens of millions of dollars out of people using software I wrote by claiming IP royalties. It was eventually challenged in court and Microsoft withdrew their claims on that IP. Of course those royalties were never refunded and I got exactly zero out of the deal, and they never retracted their allegations against me.
  Arseholes.
  
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  December 2, 2024 11:20am
  - Taieri
    
    I really don’t understand why people inflict Windows on themselves (and their computers)
    ————–
    
    In my case it’s the MS Office. The competitors are just not up to it. And having dual boot is just too much hassle.
    
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    December 2, 2024 12:07pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    I got fed up with turning the computer on and seeing a message telling me to wait while Microsoft redesigned the fucking thing.
    I installed Linux Cinnamon and now everything works the way I expect.
    And it is free of charge.
    
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    December 2, 2024 12:10pm
    - Fender
      
      to be honest Microsoft is now like a phone, your not supposed to turn it off, its designed to run 24/7 and has built in sleep modes, then wakes and runs maintenance checks updates etc in its downtime , it is very counter intuitive to keep restarting it every day and it then runs a whole lot of test including a virus scan behind the scenes. routines and checks while you are trying to then use it and you wonder why its so slow,
      no its not perfect but is getting closer, self healing, virus protection etc are getting better all the time
      
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      December 2, 2024 1:22pm
      - Keith White
        
        So… you’re saying… Microsoft is Skynet?
        
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        December 2, 2024 3:56pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    A lot of Engineering software tools only work on windows. Pissed off about Win11 hardware requirements, as my perfectly good high-end workstation (10 years old) will be rendered inoperable costing $1000’s to replace.
    
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    December 2, 2024 1:18pm
  - Fender
    
    your circumstance is obviously different but for anyone unskilled windows is out of the box idiot proof, linux is for those that have a clue what there doing or trying to do, printers, scanners, virus protection, you name windows works 99% of the time for someone who has no clue
    
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    December 2, 2024 1:25pm
- PurplePen
  
  Still have a laptop running Windows 7 with no issues.
  
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  December 2, 2024 11:44am
  - greybeard
    
    Which anti-virus software are you running ? Is it free ?
    
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    December 2, 2024 12:20pm
    - PurplePen
      
      Just what comes with windows 7, Defender. It will be out of date. But never had an issue.
      
      I have a PC with Windows 10, only run the built-in Windows Defender. Never have used anything else. Once a year I’ll run Malwarebytes and one other freeware software as a check and the worst that they’ve picked up is the usual advertising bug that infests one of the browsers … probably should stay away from some trashy sites.
      
      The best antivirus software is your brain. Don’t click on links or attachments in emails and take some care in what you download.
      
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      December 2, 2024 5:17pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack, I run a Win7 and 10 with Norton and have never had a problem. Even the old Vista has it on as part of the 3 computer deal. I keep the 7 because some software won’t run on any other.
  
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  December 2, 2024 12:50pm
blue collar

So fonterra are looking at , and very keen to get into bill gates bovaer product that is now being trialled in the UK
Fonterra also hv a $15 million dollar research fund to vaccinate cows

All this coz of the methane lie and climate scam hoax

Trump is our only hope .

Shut this shit down .
I will not be buying any product gates has messed with .
Do your own research , it’s had a 90 day trial ( bovaer ) and extremely questionable .

Point is , methane and cows are fine .

So what is the real issue ?
Bill gates owns more farmland than anyone else in the states .
He is also tasked with controlling food supply and population reduction by deep state .

The cows are just one of his activitex
How can New Zealand be so dumb ?
What ? Coz this market won’t buy your product if you don’t meet scam climate tick box ?
( coercion a-la COVID injections )
Harden up n tell those markets to F off , n find others .

Jesus Christ , start trump now.
End the climate scam
End the DEI madness
Sort out the anti people mob ( deep state ) start with soros
Get rid of WEF ! WHO /IMF /EU .

Carn trump n keep an eye on fonterra folks . It’s nasty unproven stuff the cows will be eating
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December 2, 2024 11:02am
- Inandout
  
  bc, I have found since the election that when Trump speaks the world listens.
  
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  December 2, 2024 12:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Peter Williams substack. A book of Waitangi.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-152417170

The website of Roimata Smail has a template to make a submission against the Principles Bill. The website was arrested by my Norton Security, but the template is there. Biased rubbish imo. Didn’t expect much more.
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December 2, 2024 11:03am
- Fender
  
  Norton security,? get that off there quick smart,bloated thing is ridiculous, with windows 10 or 11 there is nothing required over the built in systems, they have bought competitors and learnt well, save your money, your computer will respond so much faster you will be shocked
  
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  December 2, 2024 1:14pm
Surely Knott

The Maori version of Te Tiriti Articles translated by Google Translate.

Article 1

The Princes of the Commonwealth and all the Sovereigns who are heirs to that Commonwealth surrender to the Queen of England for ever – the whole Government of their lands.

Article 2.

The Queen of England agrees to grant to the Princes and Clans – to all the people of New Zealand the sovereignty of their lands, their homes and all their property. But the Lords of the Wakaminenga and all the other Lords will offer to the Queen the sale of those lands that the owner of the land is satisfied with – according to the price that they and the buyer are willing to pay. by the Queen as her vendor.

Article 3.

This is also a reminder of the acceptance of the Government of the Queen – The Queen of England will protect all the natural people of New Zealand and give them all the same conditions as they have for the people of England.
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December 2, 2024 11:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Depends what it was translated from.
  That translation does not mention Maori ceding sovereignty, which they did.
  Maybe google is more corrupt than I thought?
  Maybe you are pulling my left tit? 🙂
  
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  December 2, 2024 1:22pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    “Article 1
    
    The Princes of the Commonwealth and all the Sovereigns who are heirs to that Commonwealth surrender to the Queen of England for ever – the whole Government of their lands.”
    Have another read, Steve. The above statement cedes sovereignty the way I read it. The Commonwealth is NZ, & the princes & sovereigns are the Maori chiefs.
    
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    December 2, 2024 1:55pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Reading again there is no mention of “ceding” By design of course. That is where the trouble starts.
      
      https://sites.google.com/site/treaty4dummies/home/the-littlewood-treaty
      
      The Littlewood Draft (named because it was given to Littlewood for safekeeping) was written by Hobson and Busby and translated into Maori by Henry Williams and his son Edward.
      
      Surrender is different from “ceding.”
      
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      December 2, 2024 3:03pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        To surrender is to to give up or give away. Sounds a lot like ceding to me.
        
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        December 2, 2024 5:31pm
Mod88

I see The Herald has memory holed the story/article of the Police Officer who was a “Straw Buyer” of Firearms, Misused the Police Computer, Used False Identities to Buy Guns, Incriminating Innocent Licensed Gun Owners in the process but according to NZ Police – All Good, Nothing to see here – except the IPCA disagreed. Mike McIraith’s attempted cover-up of this was before the “New” Gun Register thereby incriminates the Offender & Police more as he says these were Restricted Firearms as they were all that were Registered by Law back then. I think this surely must have been a High-Ranking Police Officer for this amount of lying and covering.
This Officer should have been Charged, Convicted and Thrown out of the NZ Police forthwith. What say you Minister Mitchell.
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December 2, 2024 11:35am
- kowtow
  
  And was reported to still be considered fit and proper to have a FAL.
  
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  December 2, 2024 12:33pm
  - Keith White
    
    Must be high up in the Union.
    
    Link is to the classic by The Strawbs…
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxNMgoiNLFs
    
    (There was a live video but it was introduced by the POS called Savile so I did not want to post that).
    
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    December 2, 2024 3:59pm
- sirknz
  
  I just about threw my computer at the wall this morning when I read the article about Ginny wailing and gnashing her teeth because of the kids using ‘MSAAs’ at a gun club before the guns were banned. I can’t think of a safer environment for kids to be using any kind of guns than at a gun club personally.
  
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  December 2, 2024 4:49pm
Master Mariner

All commercial ships must have a valid Wreck removal Certificate from insurers. To enable too trade this insurance cert must be valid. This is renewed every year.

With the sinking of Manawanui, The Government is insurer of last choice. ie Tax payers.

Ever wonder why the Rena that run aground was never removed ( Along with Toxic containers). The simple answer NZ was asleep at the wheel and had not SIGNED the Nairobi Wreck Removal Convention. ( Rest assured they did afterwards ).

“Nairobi International Convention on the Removal of Wrecks,”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJpICdAJoA0

Side note, Do you think J Collins “regrets” waffling about attacks on and the DEI of the Captain ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkc1lV5qa1E

This one serious cluster F@#$$ of multiple errors of judgement by multiple people.
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December 2, 2024 11:42am
- Taieri
  
  Do you think J Collins “regrets” waffling about attacks on and the DEI of the Captain ?
  ———–
  
  Very much doubt it. Judging by her performance, as she herself, appears to be another case of promotion far beyond her level of abilities.
  
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  December 2, 2024 12:09pm
  - cmm
    
    That’s the whole reason for pushing the “human error” angle.
    
    The implication is that we’re all human and it could have happened to anyone.
    
    Nope, as I wrote a few days ago – this was a leadership failure. It was not a human error.
    
    Leadership failure on a ship is the responsibility of one person and one person only: the captain.
    
    I don’t care what she has in her pants. I don’t care what she does with it. All I care about is her being up to her job and running a taxpayer funded asset properly.
    
    As soon as the military started pushing DEI then diversity comes before quality.
    
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    December 2, 2024 1:30pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Correct Master,
  The attitude in NZ is not how to minimise or eliminate risk, it is all about shoving the blame and the ever agreeable, brain addled public, bending over, touching their toes, paying the bill, and then saying ” can I have some more please, Sir?”
  
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  December 2, 2024 12:21pm
- Paulus
  
  Asa one time Marine Underwriter in London years ago the practices then have not changed as under Maritime Law a Standard policy will include, such as Removel of Wreck up to the value of the vessel, and often addition cover for these extraneous things can be purchased cheaply in excess of the standard vessel value.
  So this case gonna cost us big, as I do not think that anybody would do any insurance, so the Taxpayer is the Insurer for first and last resort !
  
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  December 2, 2024 3:02pm
  - Keith White
    
    If we tax-payers are her insurers, can we then blacklist this woke female muppet ex-Captain from any and all future insurance for her lifetime? Sounds like karma should rule here.
    
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    December 2, 2024 4:00pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360506821/tauranga-businessman-who-raped-woman-work-party-named

If he had claimed to be a “promising rugby player with a bright future” he would probably have remained un-named.
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December 2, 2024 12:02pm
- Biscuit
  
  Just sent that story to a South African mate of mine, greybeard.
  
  Way way back in 1967 – with both of us not then 16, my mate was ‘caught’ on top of our boarding school’s gym in a state of utter nakedness and with a similarly-young lass wearing even LESS.
  
  Hauled before our Housemaster to account for himself, my mate tried the ‘You can’t cane me: I’m playing lock for the House tomorrow!’
  
  Housemaster: ‘Oh but I can. Six strokes. Deferred until after the game’ before carrying on ‘with a stroke or two possibly off depending on how well I reckon you play’…
  
  All those years later, my mate boasted: ‘Well worth it. And I scored in the game too…’
  
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  December 2, 2024 2:56pm
  - MCōs
    
    These days the coach would take the school to the high court and win, if that’s NZ
    
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    December 2, 2024 4:59pm
Biscuit

Can we take votes on ‘Hypocrite of the Year’?”

Joe Biden, umpteen times during 2024:
‘I will not use my Presidential pardon powers to help my ne’er-do-well son Hunter to escape convictions on federal gun and tax fraud charges.’

Joe Biden on Sunday night:
Hunter’s prosecution was ‘selective’ and ‘unfair.’
‘From the day I took office, I said I would not interfere with the Justice Department’s decision-making, and I kept my word even as I have watched my son being selectively, and unfairly, prosecuted.’

Yeah, yeah, Joe…
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December 2, 2024 1:57pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Trump DOJ will need to take a very close look at BIden corruption. There’s a whole lot of RICO there.
  Take down whole family and those that covered for them.
  
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  December 2, 2024 2:10pm
  - carlsbad apple
    
    Yet turn-a-blind-eye-to sexual-abuse, Jim Jordan, has spend millions of America tax payer dollars trying to find dirt on Biden. They came up with nothing. No evidence, no charges, no impeachment.
    The only thing we really saw was Jim and Mad Marge sniffing Hunter Biden dick pics.
    What a joke they are.
    
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    December 2, 2024 4:25pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      And they found the evidence of corruption- right down to Bank Statements linking them all
      As I say below
      Look at the Congressional Inquiry.
      If you are still clinging to fantasists like E Jean Carrolls accusations and the Stormy Daniels nonsense plus the discredited claim that Trump raped Ivana then you are a very foolish person.
      You are almost like a Parody account but alas we know you believe what you are saying.
      
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      December 2, 2024 4:56pm
- cmm
  
  Who else thinks this is last act and he’ll be handing over the Kamala within a week?
  
  Yes, they hate each other. But Joe will want to leave a legacy blaah, blaah, blaah…
  
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  December 2, 2024 2:15pm
- cmm
  
  Don’t worry, Hunter won’t be able to keep his nose clean for the rest of his life. He’ll be back behind bars within a couple of years – without the presidential safety net.
  
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  December 2, 2024 2:17pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Biden just gave Trump the ability to Pardon all those J6 protestors
  
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  December 2, 2024 3:00pm
  - carlsbad apple
    
    Trump will have the ability to pardon them and has said he’s going to. Biden pardoning his son makes no difference.
    
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    December 2, 2024 4:27pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Of course its different
      Its his son
      And the blanket pardon covering the period where Hunter and his father engaged in corrupt behaviour is telling
      My god you are a joke.
      
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      December 2, 2024 4:53pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Pardon gives blanket coverage for last decade of everything Hunter has been involved in, so includes all Biden corruption related stuff too, clear signaling of guilt (as is pretty clear from investigations already bought to light):
  
  “For those offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024, including but not limited to all offenses charged or prosecuted (including any that have resulted in convictions) by Special Counsel David C. Weiss in Docket No. 1:23-cr-00061-MN in the United States District Court for the District of Delaware and Docket No. 2:23-CR-00599-MCS-1 in the United States District Court for the Central District of California.”
  
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  December 2, 2024 3:11pm
  - carlsbad apple
    
    For years Trump has been desperately trying to find dirt on Joe Biden. There was none so Trump’s lickspittles went after Biden’s son.
    Biden’s full press is worth reading.
    
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    December 2, 2024 4:34pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Sigh
      You clearly havent read the evidence gathered in the Congressional Inquiry into the Biden family corruption.
      But thats what we expect from a CNN reader and watcher.
      The funny thing is you are just repeating talking points we have heard many times on here since 2016 and which have been discredited many many times
      Your ignorance is actually quite tiresome.
      
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      December 2, 2024 4:51pm
- MCōs
  
  In 2020 Pres Trump pardoned his daughter’s father in law, Charles Kushner of an offense described by Chris Christie as “one of the most loathsome, disgusting crimes that I prosecuted when I was U.S. attorney”
  Kushner snr is now in line to become US Ambassador to France if the senate approves his nomination
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charles-kushner-nomination-ambassador-to-france/
  
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  December 2, 2024 4:01pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Every President has pardoned people of dubious repute
    So whats your point?
    
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    December 2, 2024 4:51pm
Biscuit

In similar vein, and after their thrashing win over Manchester City this a.m., can we also take votes on ‘Football Team of the Year’?

Gotta be Liverpool, right?
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December 2, 2024 2:00pm
- mandk
  
  Which year are you talking about: the football year 2023/24 or calendar year 2024?
  
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  December 2, 2024 2:25pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Decisions, decisions, mandk!
    
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    December 2, 2024 3:32pm
- MCōs
  
  There’s still a month to go and Liverpool are noted chokers
  When predictions like this are made I’m reminded of a RWC when an argument broke out about who would pay for the ABs victory parade
  They were knocked out in the quarter finals
  
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  December 2, 2024 4:08pm
cmm

Sometimes you really have to wonder about the advertising advice some people get.

I was scratching around for a potential place to put a small pile of dosh and stumbled across Milford.

Does a 20-something chick with pink lipstick and blue eyelids really boost your confidence?

https://milfordasset.com/what-we-offer/investment-funds
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December 2, 2024 2:58pm
- Inandout
  
  cmm, does she have a hair loss condition or just a close trim?
  
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  December 2, 2024 3:21pm
- Biscuit
  
  You’ll be astonished to read that my answer is ‘Not in the slightest’, cmm.
  
  I’d add, to the list of financial advisers I’d not have a skerrick of confidence in:
  
  TV presenters
  Sportspeople
  Prominent individuals – yes, Theresa G, like you – whose stars have been eclipsed with less-than-stellar recommendations you’ve made in the past
  
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  December 2, 2024 3:31pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Looks like they used the Budlight product promoters.
  Why are corporates so dumb arse stupid.
  
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  December 2, 2024 4:17pm
- greybeard
  
  Stick your dosh into a term deposit. Rates are dropping but you will feel a lot more secure. And isn’t that what you want?
  
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  December 2, 2024 4:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZCPR. Dr Muriel Newman.

https://www.nzcpr.com/sovereignty-in-new-zealand-2/
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December 2, 2024 4:10pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360507463/kiwi-musician-dies-uk-after-taking-unidentified-pills
This is a tragedy, for the family and friends. So young to die, and what is more to die unnecessarily.
Why do these people take drugs and shit and kill themselves ? How stupid.
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December 2, 2024 4:26pm
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s a feature not a bug. Risk aversion in males (less so in females) is something that comes with age for evolutionary reasons. There is potentially much larger payoff for risky behavior in youth when trying to leap ahead in power hierarchies.
  
  Historically only about 40% of males (vs 80% of females) had kids, much lower in some societies, so risk taking was generally necessary to have some shot at successful procreation. Evolution itself gambles much more on Males for that reason – explaining why there is so much more phenotypic variability in men, and we dominate the edges of the bell curve in almost every respect.
  
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  December 2, 2024 4:35pm
Chuck Bird

Biden pardoned his dope-smoking son although he promised not to. I wonder if he will also pardon himself and the rest of the Biden crime family.
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December 2, 2024 4:47pm
Steve Todd

The votes in Ireland’s general election are currently being counted.

The 34th Dáil will comprise 174 TDs (MPs), the most ever, elected by PR-STV from 43 constituencies – 15 × 5 seats, 15 × 4 seats and 13 × 3 seats. With the collapse of the Greens, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael will need the Social Democrats and/or Labour to continue governing, assuming they continue to shut out Sinn Féin, which appears likely. (See this BBC report, https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9373ew5yd9o, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Irish_general_election.)

Unsurprisingly, STV is easily coping with the on-going realignment of Irish politics, in “stark contrast to the First Past the Post system used for UK general elections.” (See https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/unlike-the-uk-irelands-voting-system-can-cope-with-changing-voter-preferences/.)
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December 2, 2024 5:12pm
Swifty

Well, this is all very interesting.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/foreshore-and-seabed-supreme-court-finds-court-of-appeal-erred-in-decision-over-customary-rights/5FDCR2DRT5C67ACUBBHJOLACN4/

Now, let me see if I have this right.

Many on the Left are apoplectic at Seymour for his Treaty Principles Bill, saying it is quite proper that the courts decide this stuff and it’s quite wrong that Seymour uses Parliament to change things worked out by the courts, academics, Waitangi Tribunal etc etc.

Now that they have had an adverse decision from the Supreme Court – I wonder what the Left’s position will now be?

Accept the decision with good grace and keep their mouths shut or yell and scream, reject the Court’s decision and promise to change the law once they get back into power i.e. do exactly what they are crucifying Seymour for?

What’ll it be lefties? What say you now Mr Jackson? What about you Mr Waititi? Ms Ngarewa-Packer?

Waiting…..
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