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Yvette

“Akin” to “Equality”
For one person “equality” should allow a right to “freedom of religion”
but for another individual the same “equality” should ensure “freedom from religion” –
so, in regarding religion the Crown should be neutral, making no one as more equal than another?

Principle 3
1 – Everyone is equal before the law.
2 – Everyone is entitled, without discrimination, to—

(a) the equal protection and equal benefit of the law; and  
(b) the equal enjoyment of the same fundamental human rights.

– Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2024/0094/latest/whole.html  

I have several times expressed my disappointment that the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill nowhere stipulated that –

the New Zealand Government and all its services shall be secular (religiously neutral)

To be utterly transparent, I had hoped that such a statement would, in a rear-action pincher move, eliminate the racially discriminatory practice of favouring one religious world view, that of te Ao o Maori, which seems to attach a Maori Advisory Council to the Water Regulator, Taumata Arowai, and any other considerations regarding Government services – when such observance should be made as an individual or believing-group submission on any issue, as would any other likewise body in our communities – Islamic, or Jewish. for instance. Children’s education, for another example, has no special accomodation of Gloriavale beliefs in science.

But, as the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill is devised to clarify interpretations, will it itself not also be subject to interpretation?

So is it reasonable that I take the “equality” expressed in Principle 3, to mean that I am free to express my religion in a reasonable and acceptable way, but also inversely it should be my right to be free of anyone else’s religion.
So does “secularity” need expression, when “equality” should ensure the religious freedom I seek – to not suffer anyone else’s religious world-view – as a reasonable interpretation?
Would it eliminate special allowances for te Ao o Maori in Government and its services.

Do Christopher Luxon’s understanding of Christianity tell him what Christ’s view would be in this situation?

In his Letter to the Galatians Paul wrote: There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Therefore, everyone is equal in the eyes of God and should not be made to feel inferior because they may be different to someone else.

No one … should not be made to feel inferior – or superior …

And if “akin* to a partnership” can become ‘co-governance’
why can “equality” not mean … um … well, “equality”?

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• In 1987 the Lands case characterised the Treaty relationship as “akin to a partnership”

Would ‘equality’ ensure total religious freedom?
Like, being totally free from religion?
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November 28, 2024 8:01am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I suspect the Nats are playing the long game as regards race relations. In their first term they are focused on repairing the economy and fixing health education and law and order. These will get them re-elected in 2026 especially as it appears they will have an economic tail wind leading up to that election.
  They are allowiing Seymour and ACT to soften up the race relations target by drawing out the Maori Party and their increasing desperate stunts. This will marginalise the Maori Party and make it difficult for Labour and even the Greens as their more moderate supporters might desert them if they align with the Maori Party. Where those 3 Parties marginalised supporters go isnt a problem for the Nats. They will most likely go to NZF and maybe ACT so still favourable to the Nats.
  I suspect we have around 3% to 5% supporters of the Maori Party policies across all Parties so a small minority at best.
  The Nats may even hold a binding referendum on abolishing the Maori Seats pointing to the fact that Maori are over represented in the House even without those Seats so they are unneccesary.
  This would consign the Maori Party to having to contest the non-racist Seats with the 1nevitable result.
  
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  November 28, 2024 10:02am
  - Burtland
    
    long game 👍 no game 👎
    
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    November 28, 2024 10:24am
- Paulus
  
  But we now appear to have a new Third Religion in New Zealand, after Anglican, Catholic, and now Maori.
  I want to rever te God Taniwha, but where can I do that ?
  As I do not know the language of this new religion neither do some 98% of the population it must be very special, only for the real elite.
  
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  November 28, 2024 10:03am
Benedict Yu

So Kamala Harris has released a video to lift the spirits of her supporters. Here are two short clips.

https://youtube.com/shorts/dToZRYV82fA?si=aaWFqguCUJkMoe

https://youtube.com/shorts/sUGtjm4mfnU?si=BhnIRwBG_czgCVuC

It reminds me of a skit involving a rambling drunk in a bar.
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November 28, 2024 8:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She’s not pissed. It is just her blatant word salad stupidity.
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:12am
  - igm
    
    Maybe she has seconded help from NZ’s ex-PM, she being a stalwart socialist. Both have similar commands of English.
    
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    November 28, 2024 8:39am
    - AitchW
      
      Not so much command as a passing acquaintance…
      
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      November 28, 2024 8:51am
    - pdm
      
      `Both have similar commands of English.’
      
      Gobbledegook springs to mind.
      
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      November 28, 2024 9:07am
  - Paulus
    
    Nah, it is real standard American linguistics !
    
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    November 28, 2024 10:04am
- AitchW
  
  She sounds like an old drunk in a bar consoling another old drunk who’s just lost his best drinking mate.
  FFS, they lost an election. Nobody died, nobody got locked up.
  She’s obviously feeling desperately sorry for herself and she’s looking for sympathy.
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:19am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘nobody got locked up.’
    
    Despite the best efforts of the Swamp.
    
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    November 28, 2024 8:56am
  - Paulus
    
    She was told all through the election that as she was a women and therefore special, people would vote for her.
    Must have been so thick as to agree with these stupid people b ehind her fiancially.
    
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    November 28, 2024 10:08am
- Swifty
  
  For two ‘perfect’ Democratic candidates to fail to beat a supposedly racist, sexist, dangerous, mad, convicted felon for President of the US – what does that say about them?
  
  While I consider Mrs Clinton downright evil and a shocking liar – Harris I find just completely inauthentic, empty and without any substance.
  
  It’s one of my greatest satisfactions from the recent election that the Democratic puppet masters who lied and lied about Biden’s (declining) abilities and then did the in democratic switcheroo with Harris, we’re not rewarded for their deceit and fraud.
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:19am
- Matt Long
  
  All that has to happen is that Weekend At Biden’s or one of his body doubles has an inconvenient medical event and Harris is the new president.
  At least she would represent the mentally ill liberal women well.
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:20am
  - pdm
    
    That would piss Hillary off.
    
    Even if it was only for two weeks.
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:09am
- Tom Hunter
  
  The great Iowahawk responds….
  
  Absolutely, that’s some deep stuff to think about, umm hey why don’t you let me keep your car keys and I’ll call you an Uber
  😂😂😂😂😂
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:41am
- JerJer
  
  She could just tell the truth. It would go something like “I was the most useless vice president in history, part of an administration which was also the worst and tried to take your freedom. I wasted 1.5 billion dollars of the money you had left after my terrible economic management drained most of what you had away. I got pummelled by Donald Trump, who only had a third of the funding I had. You voted for your freedom and a return to normalcy. You won’t see me again in National politics. I’m going to slink away to the crazy state where people I am normal. Good bye.”. She would need to translate to word salad first, but this should be her message.
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:50am
- sirknz
  
  Come on Benedict, she’s only had 3 weeks in Hawaii at a $1300 a day rental, along with a full Secret Service Detail and all the trappings that go along with it, so go easy on her.
  
  She was raised in a middle class household…
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:51am
- The Goblin
  
  Makes mention of raising 1.4 billion from grassroots people, no acknowledgement of the fact that it was all a waste…
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:51am
- Gussy Fink-Nottle
  
  See if I can beat Steve O to it…
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/kamala-officially-unburdened-by-sobriety
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:52am
gravedodger

Oi Ben can we be sure she was not??
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November 28, 2024 8:10am
Bridgenag

Germany……Why is the Green Party using activist front groups to subvert the law and allow refugees to convert government benefits into untraceable cash?
EUGYPPIUS
NOV 27

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/why-is-the-green-party-using-activist?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 28, 2024 8:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not happening in NZ though is it?
  Imagine refugees in NZ on benefits who send money to their relatives back home.
  Nah!
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  How did it go so wrong there , particularly under Merkel. Who made them dependent on Russian gas , shut down nuclear and undermined the law ,society and economy with the migrant mobilisation.
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:27am
  - Paulus
    
    Merkel was brought up under Communist rule in Germany’s East so it never leaves her thinking !
    
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    November 28, 2024 10:10am
- Grunter
  
  Germany is completely broken beyond repair IMO. No longer in any position to be the foundation of a thriving EU.
  
  France about to face a Greece-like debt issue, but no one can bail them out.
  
  Who does that leave……? (chirp, chirp…..)
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:54am
RRM

I hope RNZ and GWRC are mistaken about this 70% fare increase.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/534941/bus-and-train-fares-may-surge-by-up-to-70-percent-to-meet-nzta-targets

I really can’t afford for my $400 monthly train pass to turn into a $700 monthly train pass overnight.
I would have to hold my nose and vote for the Labour Party to stop this.
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November 28, 2024 8:14am
- wsk12345
  
  Well here’s the thing. I don’t use public transport – EVER. It doesn’t go anywhere I go, its that simple. My family don’t use it EVER, they live in a town with no PT. Yet we are already paying most of your PT costs.
  We are all low income earners, and have to manage our money carefully yet you want US to stump up more money to pay for YOUR convenience. Perhaps you can do what we have to every week and review your budget.
  Entitled much?
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:11am
- judith8409121
  
  maybe you should be paying the cost of transport like everyone else. Stop expecting taxpayers to pick up your tab
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:15am
- rjay
  
  The Bay of Plenty Regional Council is consulting on fares as we speak. Currently passengers pay around 8%. Goal is to get up to 25% over 3 years.
  A lot of the subsidy goes to free school buses.
  Have your say
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:21am
- Spam
  
  Nothing personal, but I think the point is that “we” can’t afford to keep on subsidising you and all the other people that we subsidise.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:52am
peterwn

Unbelievable – The Herald has published a letter from Bill Birch (former Minister of Finance) Saying that Matthew Hooton’s criticism of Chris Luxon was unfair, unbalanced. Bill also stated ” Luxon has shown his adeptness in political negotiation by successfully forming a coalition agreement and establishing a Cabinet filled with highly talented New Zealanders.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/letters-christopher-luxon-critique-unfair-and-unbalanced-sir-bill-birch/7XMTOQAH6FBOFJZSPKNSKB72LY/
(Paywalled)
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November 28, 2024 8:15am
- AitchW
  
  Good grief! Not only is a retired politician offering moral support to the PM, but the Herald actually published his letter! Is this opposites day? Has the editor gone mad? Or is the Herald finally accepting that a Labour/Green/Maori coalition would be an unmitigated disaster for NZ? (It would be a wet dream for Aotearoa till the lights went out and the trough dried up.)
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:25am
  - Flossie
    
    It’s also possible the Herald might be starting to get the message that a one-sided attitude could be costing them readership.
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:29am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      No Flossie, it’s just a sop. “Look!! we publish both sides of the political spectrum and it’s unfair to say we don’t! Subscribe please”. What they will fail to say is that 90+% of their articles lean or outright favour the left of politics. So, don’t give them the time of day.
      
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      November 28, 2024 9:37am
- NK
  
  What’s unbelievable about this? The National Party rank and file would all say that winning the election and forming the coalition shows Luxon’s extreme talent and ability to get NZ “back on track”.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:03am
artemisia

Bus and train fares may surge by up to 70% to meet NZTA targets Bus and train fares are set to increase across the country, with the transport agency asking councils to hit higher revenue targets.

OK, but lift the lid a wee bit and check out this from the article.

Transport Minister Simeon Brown said public transport costs were rising, shifting more of the burden to ratepayers and taxpayers who subsidised public transport services. In 2017, public transport users contributed 40 percent of the operating costs, but by 2023 this had dropped to 10 percent.

40% to 10%. Gosh, I wonder if there might have been a smidgeon of ideology happening there. Not to mention a whole lot of OPM.

Thanks ratepayers and taxpayers.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/534941/bus-and-train-fares-may-surge-by-up-to-70-percent-to-meet-nzta-targets
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November 28, 2024 8:20am
- Handyman
  
  Wellington electric trains running costs have increased due to the increased number of windmills driving up the cost of electricity.
  
  Still, the free riders on trains moan about paying 10% of cost of the running costs. That is not counting any of the capital costs of the trains, tracks overheads etc
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:35am
- RRM
  
  Meanwhile, they’re happy to build Mt Vic tunnel 2 and Basin reserve, although users petrol tax will only cover about 0.9% of the costs of that.
  
  If Pubic transport users are paying even 10% of the costs of the service they use, that’s almost heroic compared to someone driving on any Road of National Significance.
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:37am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t follow.
    
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    November 28, 2024 8:50am
    - RRM
      
      Public transport users being subsidized by taxpayer funds is raised as an issue.
      
      I suggest that road of National Significance users are subsidized at least 10x higher rate. If we really care about taxpayer funds subsidizing people’s lifestyle, why are we going after Public transport instead of RoNS?
      
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      November 28, 2024 9:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good thing my partner and I both have an AT Goldcard.
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:42am
  - peterwn
    
    But the 3pm to 6.30pm Gold Card lark in Auckland surely cannot last. There will be a point when Auckland has to fall in line with the other cities on this.
    
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    November 28, 2024 8:59am
- cmm
  
  ” In 2017, public transport users contributed 40 percent of the operating costs, but by 2023 this had dropped to 10 percent. ”
  
  Written like that it doesn’t sound so bad, but the more honest way to write it would be:
  ” In 2017, taxpayers paid 60 percent of the operating costs, but by 2023 this had blown out to 90 percent. ”
  
  Note that this is the AVERAGE across the country. There will be areas where the taxpayer/rate payer are actually paying over 95 and on some trips it will be 98 or 99%.
  
  Here in Christchurch I often see buses with two or less passengers. Those passengers are paying maybe $1 each for a 15km trip that is costing $100+. Guess who is paying?
  
  Of course it is easy to pretend something works when all the costs are hidden.
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:48am
  - RoboRob
    
    Especially bad with the trains. If I recall correctly the AK trains (whcih I recently used) cost the council (ratepayer) $27 per trip. The train from Ham to Ak worked out at about $80 per person.
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:01am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Here in Christchurch I often see buses with two or less passengers’
    
    On those routes/times it would be cheaper to get them an uber or taxi.
    
    Doable.
    
    But in the jihad to save the planet ( war on cars actually) no expense or irrational activity is too great
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:19am
  - MCōs
    
    Raising the ticket prices by a substantial amount is unlikely to increase revenue because fewer people will catch the bus/train.
    We sometimes catch the train into town from Onehunga. Previously the carpark at station would have been choka. Now there is ample parking.
    Until recently the train went to Britomart. Now it terminates at Newmarket requiring transferring to another train for the last leg. Maybe that deters some people particularly as some dodgy characters hang around Newmarket.
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:35am
    - RoboRob
      
      Its a chicken and egg scenario. The more people that use a service the cheaper the per person cost, so to get the usage up the service runs at a loss making price until it breaks even.
      
      The questions that need to be asked are
      1. At expected usage levels will the service ever break even. If not, is the benefit to tax payers worth a perpetual subsidy?
      2. Are the expected usage levels reasonable? The train between AK and Ham would indicate they are not.
      3. By throwing tax payers money at a service, what are the opportunity costs. Could the money be used for other, better, projects? Would the money be better used if left with rate payers?
      4. Does the state funding of public transport prevent private entities entering the market. Could those private entities run different, out of the box, services that are better?
      
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      November 28, 2024 10:06am
- Happy1
  
  Down here in Canterbury the local sport is counting the number of passengers on the bus. The usual result is between 0 and 4. While passengers might have paid 40% of operating cost in 2017, Ecan have put on a lot more empty buses circulating Christchurch with no increase in passengers/income. It won’t matter to anyone if they increase fares by 71%. Costs will stay the same and income/passenger numbers will drop
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:01am
G152

Here was I believing the birch was banned
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November 28, 2024 8:22am
- MCōs
  
  Bill Birch is 90yo the old bugger.
  Jim Bolger preferred him as Minister of Finance, but he was stuck with Ruth Richardson, but she proved almost more than the country could stomach so B² was brought in to calm things down in 1993
  R² left parliament and aligned with Act.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:50am
Matt Long

Apparently a surge in US army recruitment as Trump looks to turn it back into a fighting force instead of a department of DEI, where Trans folk go to get free surgery on the back of the taxpayer.
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November 28, 2024 8:24am
- MCōs
  
  How many “Trans folk go to get free surgery on the back of the taxpayer “?
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:32am
  - Matt Long
    
    The surgery is supported and free in the US army if that’s your thing, but better get in quick as the rules may change.
    https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.military.com%2Fdaily-news%2F2021%2F06%2F28%2Farmy-provide-gender-transition-care-surgeries-transgender-soldiers.html%3Famp%3D&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4
    
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    November 28, 2024 8:41am
    - Matt Long
      
      In terms of numbers, Mr Google tells me there are over 14,000 trans in the US military.
      Another interesting statistic is that more illegals of military age entered the US under Biden than are in the US military.
      
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      November 28, 2024 8:45am
      - RoboRob
        
        I suspect 95+% of the trans in the US military are only there to get their free surgery.
        
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        November 28, 2024 9:02am
      - MCōs
        
        More information in this article although nothing about how many have had surgery.
        https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-military-service-us/
        
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        November 28, 2024 10:00am
      - kowtow
        
        Those numbers are astounding.
        
        Proof the military under the Democrats wasn’t for defending the country , but for promoting a warped perverse social policy.
        
        It is no winder that evil dictators and mullahs used this period to attack Ukraine and Israel.
        
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        November 28, 2024 10:16am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      None of them have any intention of active duty overseas.
      
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      November 28, 2024 8:46am
      - MCōs
        
        No choice if required
        Many people who had joined up on the promise of a free education were shocked to find they were suddenly on a plane to Iraq or Afghanistan
        
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        November 28, 2024 10:05am
      - cmm
        
        “No choice if required”
        
        There is a scam that female “soldiers” have been pulling for a long time to get out of active service – get pregnant.
        
        They won’t send a pregnant person (see I’m learning – I didn’t say woman) overseas.
        
        I would expect you could also claim emotional distress etc and they wouldn’t send you.
        
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        November 28, 2024 10:21am
kowtow

Two excellent items on Bassett Brash and Hide re the constitution by Gary Judd KC and Dr Bryce Edwards.
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November 28, 2024 8:25am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Candace Owens not coming to NZ – based on the decision made by Australia.
Pathetic. Immigration NZ don’t want to provide a valid reason
BTW, are Tucker Carlson, JD Vance, or Elon Musk not allowed in NZ? They have all made similar comments tp Candace. Tucker goes to Australia.
Double standards in hypocritical NZ.
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November 28, 2024 8:26am
- imalwaysright
  
  Alison McDonald runs Immigration.
  No one would tackle a high profile person without the boss giving approval.
  She is responsible.
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Reading different news items I see that Young Labour have been involved.
    What the fuck has it got to do with those radicals?
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Alison McDonald.
    Big chunk of rock around her neck. What is that all about? Some sort of signal?
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:40am
  - Paulus
    
    At least we have another Lady who is the very best person for the job !
    
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    November 28, 2024 10:14am
- pdm
  
  My email to the responsible Minister Chris Penk re this decision.
  https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/11/28/my-email-to-associate-immigration-minister-chris-penk-re-the-candace-owen-decision/
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A plain and simple “please explain”
    Good stuff.
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:01am
  - Tom Barker
    
    I suspect Chris Penk may difficulty understanding some of the terms in your letter, such as “provacitive.” Or he may just dismiss it as semi-literate nonsense.
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:17am
  - RoboRob
    
    Excellent email. We shall see whether Penk / National want to support a free speech agenda or not.
    
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    November 28, 2024 10:13am
- sirknz
  
  Has anyone kept a tally of how many wacky lefty speakers have been kept out of NZ in the last 8 years for the same or similar reasons?
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:04am
- RoboRob
  
  Do we also block flat earthers for their abhorrent views? What about satanists? Why is it certain views, generally held by the hard right, are worth blocking someone from entering the country yet other equally ‘bad’ views are ok? Do we just rely on the bias of immigration officials to determine which speakers can and cant come to NZ?
  
  Does blocking Candace really protect the NZ people as they can simply go online and watch her for free. Does blocking het give more coverage then simply letting her in? What’s the agenda here?
  
  When was the last time a hard leftist was blocked from entering the country? There are lots of antisemitic people in the UN for example, do we block them? What about the woman disempowering Muslims are they blocked?
  So many questions 😊
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  From the Free Speech Union:
  
  https://www.fsu.nz/decision_to_bar_candace_owens_from_entry_into_new_zealand_arguably_unlawful_action_pending
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:11am
Benedict Yu

This is a terrible decision.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/culture/360502473/controversial-us-speaker-candace-owens-banned-new-zealand

I agree that Candace Owens has some wacky ideas. But is she a danger to New Zealand society?
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November 28, 2024 8:27am
- NK
  
  You completely miss the issue, Benedict.
  
  She has wacky ideas, ergo she is dangerous. End of. That’s how the State operates now.
  
  Meanwhile, in other news, with the “No Shit Sherlock” news of the day, part one of the Covid inquiry found that the mandates eroded trust and undeniably harmed a “substantial minority”of New Zealanders. The Act Party minister of DIA, the party that promotes freedom and liberty, is saying she won’t release the report until next year!
  
  Of course, the banning of Candace Owens, and also this Covid finding and ministerial behaviour, are inextricably linked.
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How is she dangerous?
    Has she been convicted of any “crime?”
    Free speech is fine but some have more free speech than others. In other words someone does not like what she says so she can STFU!
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:08am
- Blog-aholic
  
  How would New Zealanders know when she is banished and labelled. Debate is a two way idea….in NZ we only have room for one narrative and that is NEVER to be critiqued…..
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:38am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    In a connected world, physically banning speakers makes no sense.
    
    Candace Owens uploads to YouTube daily. If her views are so damaging, why not block her YouTube channel? How does her physical presence in New Zealand suddenly make those views dangerous, when yesterday nobody cared?
    
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    November 28, 2024 8:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Benedict, Candace Owens’ book “Blackout” is a good read. I have it.
      
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      November 28, 2024 9:10am
      - NK
        
        They’ll be coming for you Steve and seizing your copy shortly.
        
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        November 28, 2024 9:11am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        NK, they have to get past my front door first.
        Anyway, I ordered the book from the US. It was not banned in NZ then.
        
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        November 28, 2024 9:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    People could follow her on Facebook. I do.
    Zuckerberg has not banned her.
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:22am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Candace Owens used to be an articulate counter to racists on the Left, like Joy Reid on MSNBC, then she got onto Jewish issues and started saying some really odd stuff. I tune her out now but those are her views and that shouldn’t stop her speaking here.
      
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      November 28, 2024 9:54am
- I remember when
  
  Who knew that talking crap occasionally was a reason to be banned from entering New Zealand.
  Carried to its extreme there would be a lot of worried politicians when they re-entered from overseas.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:11am
- My-Gumboot
  
  No more wacky than anything from the Green MPs.
  No more wacky and far less divisive than TPM MPs.
  No more wacky than most of the Labour MPs.
  
  And we pay them.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:20am
Grunter

The response from NZ Rugby to my complaint about the haka and the AB’s supporting the Maori Separatist flag… What a woke joke the NZR have become!
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Kia ora

I am writing to relay the response I have received from NZR in relation to your complaint. The Service received a number of complaints about the actions of TJ Perenara and teammates (the haka and the display of the tino rangatiratanga flag) during last weekend’s test match against Italy. Your complaint was one of those received and conveyed (without names) to NZR.

“New Zealand Rugby acknowledges receipt of your complaint through the Independent Complaint Management Service which is designed for complaints, for example, relating to harassment (sexual or otherwise), bullying, misconduct, unlawful discrimination, and offensive / insulting language or behaviour and does not apply to any on-field conduct during a match.

NZR’s expectation is that players behave in a respectful way and ensure their actions look to unite people, which was the intention here and was referenced in post-match media regarding the haka.”

Thank you again for contacting the Service and making your views known.

Ngā mihi
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November 28, 2024 8:29am
- RoboRob
  
  What the absolute fuck! Thats a lot of words to say, we received your complaint. It says they are relayuing the response but I dont actually see any response there.
  
  Thank god you at least got a Kia ora and a Ngā mihi 🙂
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:13am
- pdm
  
  You are the lucky one Grunter.
  
  I have not received even an acknowledgement from The NZRU to date.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:16am
- I remember when
  
  It was pre-match, not during the match, as the game starts with the referee’s whistle.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:16am
- cmm
  
  PS: We will continue to accept your donations as a taxpayer.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:21am
- nz_aj
  
  “uniting people” and creating division or separating based on race are hardly the same thing.
  What about remaining politically neutral?
  Sounds like no action being taken.
  Makes we wonder about the motivations of Silver Lake.
  Government needs to take more action to fix the direction the country is heading in
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:21am
- Paulus
  
  What a load of Bollocks in their reply !
  Why did they allow it to happen in the first place.
  
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  November 28, 2024 10:17am
grumpy

Is this happening in New Zealand….?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/harris-campaign-advisor-david-plouffe-accidently-exposes-how/

Fake polls to push a political party in order to attract donations and give a target for hatchet media coverage.
One News polls and Sherman springs to mind.
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November 28, 2024 8:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The polls are shit. I have to keep explaining that emails I get are not from reputable news sources like CNN and TV1 Network News.
  TV1 was all over Trump like flies on shit. Nearly every day just discrediting bullshit.
  I was the one who called Trump winning the Electoral College at 312.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:31am
slightlyrighty

Candace Owens has been denied entry, not because of what she thinks, but because of how some people might react.

If you take the time to properly think about the implications of that train of thought, you should be rightly concerned. The authorities have given power to the Thugs Veto.
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November 28, 2024 8:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Public Sector really does need a complete overhaul to get rid of the deadwood.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:46am
Matt Long

Solar Zero funded by the NZ taxpayer, now in liquidation, was bought by a Blackrock company about the time St Jacinda visited their HQ, 2022.
There’s something a bit off here, even if it’s a Brierly style asset stripping takeover, given Solar Zero received at least $80 million in taxpayer funding.
https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rnz.co.nz%2Fnews%2Fbusiness%2F534899%2Fsolarzero-in-liquidation-feels-like-a-liability-on-the-roof-now&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4
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November 28, 2024 8:38am
- Blog-aholic
  
  She never did explain that ‘meeting’……smoke and fire come to mind.
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:39am
  - AitchW
    
    Finders fee? 5% of 80 million would buy a nice new boat and a few rods and some bait…
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yet another reason to run away on an empty tank.
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:50am
    - Paulus
      
      I se that [use correct names please] has now commented on the sad passing of Nikki Kaye in our so called media.
      Why does she not Foxtrot Oscar and stay away.
      Presumably our so called media called her so they could put her comments in their papers.
      Sooner they go bust the better –
      I see we are still paying the PIJF media via NZon Air.
      I thoght this was to be stopped in last July.
      Why not ?
      
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      November 28, 2024 10:22am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Quid pro quo? Cui bono?!!
  
  Speaking fees are pretty good in the USA I understand – large Corporates pay big money to listen to ex-Politicians with no practical world experience or business knowledge. I wonder why??
  
  Money is made to go round baby…..
  
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  November 28, 2024 8:42am
- bythesea
  
  From NZ and UK companies register you can see a few details
  
  GRP III Regional Holdings LTD (UK)
  formerly GRP III SOUTH KOREA UK LTD 17 Jan 2020 – 27 May 2021
  Blackrock has > 75% control
  
  wholly owns
  GRP III NZ BIDCO LIMITED (NZ) – in liquidation
  formerly BLACKROCK NZ BIDCO LIMITED (from 31 Aug 2022 to 07 Sep 2022)
  wholly owns
  SOLARZERO LIMITED (2147325) In Liquidation
  From 2008
  
  bought out 19 December 2022 according to shareholder updates
  
  There was an odd thing (maybe someone more knowledgeable can explain) where just before, but on the *same* day, the transaction to (effectively) blackrock, a group of the shareholder massively increased their allocations. So they buy in and sell up all on the same day
  Stephen Tindall through K ONE W ONE (NO 4) was one of these shareholders.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:16am
- peterwn
  
  Solar Zero’s business model was only sustainable if the solar installations were subsidised in one way or another. This would either be by Government handouts or by requiring other electricity users to subsidise solar users. A typical indirect subsidy in this game is to require electricity retailers to buy back surplus power from those with solar panels at excessive rates. Solar Zero’s longer term game was was to ‘organise’ the batteries at each installation so power from these batteries could be sold into the system when spot prices were high. Seems these batteries were not installed or if installed were not going to be uprated as originally promised. In other words the business case was too rosy.
  Presumably BlackRock got into the game as it would need to have a quantity of ‘green’ investments for its funds etc. Interestingly there was a big bubble in Meridian and Contact share prices some years ago as ‘ green’ funds scrambled to meet ‘green’ quotas for their funds and were purchasing ‘green’ assets at whatever price.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:19am
  - cmm
    
    “Solar Zero’s business model was only sustainable if the solar installations were subsidised”
    
    ie. not sustainable at all.
    
    No more sustainable than subsidized buses, flying first class to climate change conferences, etc etc
    
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    November 28, 2024 9:23am
- rockape
  
  I am quite glad my wife’s KiwiSaver withASB is invested entirely with Blackrock. It’s doing rather well. 33% increase in value this year.
  
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  November 28, 2024 10:09am
  - marcw
    
    Well, if true, you are breaking the cardinal rule for long term investments. (Eggs/baskets)
    
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    November 28, 2024 10:33am
Chuck Bird

This guy was in a relationship with a District Court judge and will still be on release.

Eye surgeon Ian Dallison tells Parole Board hearing why he tried to kill landlord Alberto Ceccarelli

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/eye-surgeon-ian-dallison-parole-board-hearing-reveals-why-he-tried-to-kill-landlord-alberto-ceccarelli/KJR2KE2PLJCPHP2TQ6VP2MU4KI/
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November 28, 2024 8:53am
- cmm
  
  WTF is it with eye surgeons? First Philip Polkinghorn now this guy.
  
  For a while it was file system engineers: Hans Reiser and some guy in NZ who’s name I forget.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:27am
- Jethrod
  
  What is it with eye surgeons?
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:55am
Cassandra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEJcDJq1Mgw&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D
A must watch. It’s a 30 minute lesson in technology and geopolitics. Helps,one,to understand why we cannot let China dominate Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. Mind boggling.
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November 28, 2024 8:53am
- Grunter
  
  An interesting watch, thx for the link
  
  I agree with the proposition that China’s economy is on the ropes. All centrally planned economies fail at some point. They have built a huge regional network of ponzi debt schemes and aggressive loans to poor countries. All these loans/debt default at some point with no bailouts.
  
  But the West (USA, EU, Japan,…..) are all in the same bankrupt position. Who falls first is the only question.
  
  I think that at some point there will be a war over Taiwan. All the war game scenarios I’ve read/watched show a chaotic ‘mutual destruction’ scenario as the only outcome. It’s not a war that anyone can win. Modern weapons simply destroy both sides militaries.
  
  Not much little old NZ can do about that.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:34am
- cmm
  
  ” … why we cannot let China dominate…”
  
  Who is this “we” you are talking about? NZ just converted a fifth of its fleet into a submarine.
  
  In the real world of technology, China is eating everyone’s lunch. American research has stagnated and Chinese research is booming.
  
  I spend quite a lot of my time in chip design etc. China is where the new interesting stuff is coming from.
  
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  November 28, 2024 9:52am
kowtow

Hezbollah member raises two fingered V for victory salute , oh wait.
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November 28, 2024 9:02am
cmm

A Maori school is closing their Year 13 class 2 weeks early because no pupils are showing up.

Is this another example of Evil White People sabotaging Maori futures?

“There is no purpose for them to continue to be at kura after the 29th of November. Your tamaiti isn’t contributing in any manner or way to our kura, therefore we have decided that they may now finish kura and be released early,”.

I find it quite alarming that a Te Aho Matua school can only expect its pupils to communicate in such terrible pidgin. After 13 years of schooling can’t they use Maori for basic communications?

How does a school in Auckland manage to have only 10 pupils in its Year 13 class? Clearly a dismal failure on all fronts.

These pupils (no, not students) would be far better served going to a proper school that teaches English with optional Maori as a second language. All this school seems to be doing is normalising failure.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360502531/auckland-school-ends-year-early-year-13s-blames-lack-attendance
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November 28, 2024 10:13am
sirknz

What the hell do Maori have to do with the Erebus plane crash?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/stone-gifted-from-mt-erebus-for-memorial-of-disaster-45-years-on/LR465LNRJRCPDBYV3KI26CXXSQ/

Aside from some debunked BS history some grifter tried to pass, they never got there, and there should be zero reasons for this other than as a virtue signal and an attempt at hijacking an event.
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November 28, 2024 10:19am
Scooter

Here’s the interview with the COVID inquiry head with Mike Hosking, the quote is…

The outgoing head of the Covid inquiry has found vaccine mandates caused huge pain to a “substantial minority” during the pandemic.

I was trying to figure out what this “substantial minority” meant. Sounds like an oxymoron. In any case I doubt there was any one not affected by the mandates and lock downs. And even more disappointing is it may not be released till next year.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/tony-blakely-outgoing-head-of-the-covid-inquiry-on-the-findings-of-phase-1/
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