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Yvette

State Religion or Government secularity?

Caleb Anderson: The Emergence of a State Religion and the Deification of the Treaty
The following piece was first published in 2022

… There has been unrelenting pressure in recent decades to expunge Christian prayers, and allusions, from public life, and from the various agencies of state, most particularly schools. A clear message has been delivered by prominent parliamentarians, that Christianity should be a private and not a public matter. Christians can share their beliefs within, but not beyond, those of similar mind. Even the Speaker of the House was successful in having all references to Jesus removed from the official parliamentary prayer. The Prime Minister was happy to have the Muslim call to prayer broadcast nationally after the Mosque attacks, while her antipathy to Christianity remains palpable. And yet all of these voices have appeared conspicuously silent when it comes to karakia. How might we explain these paradoxes? What is really going on? Should we be concerned?

… The founders of the United States were explicit. The first amendment reads as follows “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …”. Many of those migrating to the new world were escaping religious persecution in their homelands …

… I believe that we should be very concerned about the creep of pantheistic religion into public life. Increasingly, references to things spiritual have been used to silence debate, or to fill the gaps when logic, reason, and facts are lacking. Not infrequent assertions that the Treaty is a spiritual taonga, vested with mystical power, in and of itself, is a clear effort to make the arguments of its most animated adherents uncontestable. When you move into the realm of the mystical, reason no longer applies, and familiar democratic safeguards can be progressively dismantled.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/caleb-anderson-the-emergence-of-a-state-religion-and-the-deification-of-the-treaty

ACT’s Bill
Non-existent Article 4 –

The New Zealand Government and all its services should be secular (religiously neutral)

“When you move into the realm of the mystical, reason no longer applies, and familiar democratic safeguards can be progressively dismantled” which should now apply to te Ao o Maori – the Maori religious word-view, that now needs to be put back into it individually or group practiced pre 2017 Bottle, instead of invading so much as it does – the Maori Advisory Council (two new members appointed recently), tikanga and the law, real-estate, the Waitangi Tribunal, maramataka (“the turning of the moon”) and mental health, and Competence standards for pharmacists 1.1.1 Explains the relevance of te Tiriti o Waitangi to the provision of health care and how its implementation may help pharmacists contribute to equitable health outcomes for Māori

The New Zealand Government and all its services should be secular
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November 25, 2024 8:01am
- Cassandra
  
  “Our senior justices have taken up a particular Left cause: Māori underperformance. Rather than address the reason for this (dysfunctional aspects of Māori culture), they are attempting to level the field by elevating Māori to a position of legal privilege.” From a commentary in n how judges have elevated themselves to a philosopher-king (and queen) status.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:06am
  - Yvette
    
    Cassandra, a problem of mental dissonance dogs this agenda, since, as while some elevate Maori as having much vaunted supremacy, we can all observe Maori as also having the lowest status in so many social statistics, for the whole idea of unity in that is a “bucket full of holes” – a doctor-heal- yourself syndrome, a wholely befert badly-practiced religious world view, that doesn’t hold water – that’s wai.
    
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    November 25, 2024 9:34am
    - Paulus
      
      Can we please get some meaningful idea, why and what, the Maori, are so lacking in the ability to perform to an accepted physical and moral standard of New Zealand society, and not why they go of at a tribal tangent when it suits them, showing them unable to comprehend what society is all about for the other 85% who have no kind of derivation to what is considered a Maori.
      Whilst Maori will be shortly overwhelmed numerically by those of Asian ethnicity so I can see their distress as to what they want New Zealand to be – their way and nobody else.
      This is sadly now pre eminent in our Education figures currently just revealed.
      Why ?
      
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      November 25, 2024 11:39am
  - Ra Henare
    
    May I respectfully suggest
    Māori underperformance. Rather than address the reason for this (dysfunctional aspects of Māori culture)
    
    Is nothing to do with Maori culture in itself but in the promotion of victimhood, but sloshy wet liberal whites. Yep those who gave us minimum wages & welfare and the “”you poor thing”” mantra.
    
    Exactly the same thing is seen in the US OF A, where blacks feature in the same statistics as Maori.
    
    For evidence of this cause & effect I recommend Black Scholar Thomas Sowell,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell
    
    Whose work has been quoted in a US Supreme Court Judgement.
    
    On the subject of Poor you (my quote) he says
    
    Sowell challenges the notion that black progress is due to progressive government programs or policies. He claims that many problems identified with black people in modern society are not unique, neither in terms of American ethnic groups, nor in terms of a rural proletariat struggling with disruption as it became urbanized, as discussed in his Black Rednecks and White Liberals (2005).[65] He is critical of affirmative action and race-based quotas.[66][67]
    
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    November 25, 2024 4:57pm
    - Paulus
      
      Bullshit as expected.
      
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      November 26, 2024 2:55pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The notion that the Wanganui river has its own life force and therefore needs legal personhood is a nonsense.
  
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  November 25, 2024 11:29am
- Philview
  
  The Head Office of the Reserve Bank is now a shrine to Tane Mahuta the God of the Forest. How many countries in the world have a Central Bank that essentially worships a Pagan God.
  
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  November 25, 2024 11:55am
Scott

Yesterday I posted about Winston Peters post on X about new restrictions on the use of puberty blockers on young people.
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_24_november_2024.html#comment-3648555

Act has also weighed in on the issue and the new Ministry of Health guidelines advocating for a much more cautious approach to the use of puberty blockers.

https://www.health.govt.nz/news/additional-safeguards-for-puberty-blockers

Both Act and NZ First noted that the govt has opened the door for consultation so the people have the chance to weigh in and have their say.

https://consult.health.govt.nz/strategy-and-policy/safety-measures-for-the-use-of-puberty-blockers-in/

These are welcome developments. Many of us would need a lot of convincing that Betty can just decide to be Bob and Barry can just decide he is really Brenda. And we as taxpayers should pay for it? 🤔
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November 25, 2024 8:02am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  Yet you get banned from some sites for stating you don’t support the use of these on children.
  
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  November 25, 2024 11:20am
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: The Ghost of Future Past –
Let freedom ring.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-the-ghost-of-future?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 25, 2024 8:04am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Close to a COP out.
92 participants from NZ – for what?

https://peterallanwilliams.substack.com/p/close-to-a-cop-out
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November 25, 2024 8:06am
- Lipo
  
  In my fantasy world where I am the Dictator of NZ. I would put all there people on trial for Treason
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:49am
- imalwaysright
  
  S.O
  The theatrics of the walkout were well planned by all participants.
  The purpose was to demand an astronomical amount of $1 Trillion initially, and then “reluctantly” settle for a paltry $300 Billion.
  ($300,000,000,000.)
  All of that will be divided up between the climate scam organisers and the already rich third world representatives.
  
  Luxon will be applauding the performance…
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:51am
  - cmm
    
    Whatever they settle on is going to be topped up again and again.
    
    I guarantee not a penny of that gets through to the starving masses on the ground.
    
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    November 25, 2024 9:47am
    - Burtland
      
      of course thy want more, as commented here recently
      
      Up to $41 billion in World Bank climate finance unaccounted
      
      https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/41-billion-world-bank-climate-finance-unaccounted-oxfam-finds
      
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      November 25, 2024 11:27am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Luxon is the self appointed Climate Czar of Socialist Banana Republic of Aotearoa.
    
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    November 25, 2024 9:53am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    To be clear – that’s USD 300,000,000,000 each and every year.
    
    Until it’s increased at a future COP.
    
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    November 25, 2024 11:32am
- Yabster
  
  so Benedict -care to comment on this climate change shit show?- its a rort- up there with the Treaty!
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:26am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No. Not beyond the two comments I have already posted.
    
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    November 25, 2024 11:44am
- Benedict Yu
  
  My god even Chloe and James Shaw went. 😩
  
  Disclosure. I have been a member of the New Zealand COP delegation. More than once. However the last occasion was just before John Key became Prime Minister, so a while back. I have also attended COPs in the late 1990s, representing the private sector in other countries.
  
  In the New Zealand delegations, IIRC there were about 12 of us. That included one person from an environment NGO and one person from an industry NGO. There were certainly no Opposition MPs or folk from the Green Party.
  
  So what did we do? It was mostly technical and boring. We would negotiate arcane rules about counting emissions to try to get the best deal for New Zealand. Sometimes successfully. You might find yourself in a room at 3am negotiating some arcane accounting rule about forest sinks. It was not a junket and I have no desire to ever do it again. 😩
  
  All countries at the COP are members of a bloc. New Zealand is a member of the “Umbrella Group”.
  
  The Group is made up of Australia, Canada, Iceland, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, Kazakhstan, Norway, Ukraine and the United States. The United Kingdom formally joined the group in 2023.
  
  The Umbrella Group traditionally tried to get the best outcomes for high income non EU countries.
  
  Anyway, if New Zealand did have more than 90 folk there it was insane. And what did Chloe do?
  
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  November 25, 2024 10:08am
  - thirteenstars
    
    It’s nothing compared with the cost we will have to pay for the sins of being a wealthy, industrialised country.
    
    We are still a wealthy, industrialised country, right?
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:14am
    - Bridgenag
      
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      November 25, 2024 12:00pm
  - Clyde
    
    What did Chloe do is a very good question. Used up heaps of carbon on a plane trip. I wonder if she took her Palestinian scarf thing. I do note that the ponderous David Lomas thinks the celestial orb shines out of her rear end. Another tosser living in la-la land.
    
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    November 25, 2024 1:32pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      But but but, the plane was going anyway. She just hitched a ride at our expense.
      
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      November 25, 2024 3:07pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    High income, you say?
    We’re in the wrong group.
    
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    November 25, 2024 1:32pm
Swifty

“Campbell said the Polynesian Panthers popularised the beret as a freedom symbol in New Zealand in the mid-1970s, spurred by protests against the Dawn Raids. While hats are a Western symbol, they have been widely adopted and reimagined as a symbol for Māori.

On Tuesday, he saw numerous variations of the beret at the hīkoi in Wellington, including slanted berets and beret-style caps.

“The look has been re-adopted and recontextualised to support the kind of movement that we have going on now.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/534644/hikoi-hats-why-are-so-many-people-wearing-red-berets

Isn’t this classic cultural appropriation?

More stinking hypocrisy from the Left.
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November 25, 2024 8:08am
- Yvette
  
  Is it “more stinking hypocrisy from the Left” or more just an ID part of identity politics –
  as much as “unity” without a unified agenda is a lot of unattached energy that has its own attraction and experience, which, since Maori occupy the lowest social statistics, but were given elite exceptualism under Ardern, Jackson and Mahuta, can’t get their ‘act’ together?
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:13am
- graham
  
  “Recontextualised” certainly sounds like a fancy name for cultural appropriation.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:24am
  - than
    
    The double standards for what counts as appropriation is irritating by the so-called enforcers of it on the left.
    
    I don’t think cultural appropriation exists. Even if it does, it’s not a bad thing, and if it does, it doesn’t affect anyone so it’s not worth going on about.
    
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    November 25, 2024 1:41pm
- Swifty
  
  Am I free to ‘adopt and reimagine’ or ‘re-contextualise’ Maori symbols or art or items of dress etc?
  
  Like hell I am.
  
  Why won’t the Left (and elements of Maoridom I must say) just come out and say it. Be honest, this is just about power and control.
  
  Exactly the same drive for power and control which infects TMP.
  
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  November 25, 2024 10:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Che Guevara look alike idiots.
  
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  November 25, 2024 10:12am
  - Jack5
    
    Che Guevera at least loved and played rugby as a half-back in Argentina, despite suffering from asthma.
    
    If he had been a top player a few decades later he might have been puzzled by a pre-match haka.
    
    Few of the hikoi-sta look like rugby players.
    
    Guevera founded a rugby magazine. The Peronist police closed it down after four issues, and Guevera set off on a motorbike tour of Latin America.
    
    https://www.espn.com/rugby/story/_/id/20977355/che-guevara-role-rugby-played-argentine-revolutionary-life
    
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    November 25, 2024 11:26am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He was a doctor I think, so he knew his limits with asthma.
      
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      November 25, 2024 3:11pm
- kowtow
  
  “Head adornments have long been worn by Māori as a sign of honour, power, and pride.”
  
  I wonder what “head adornments” the slaves or post battle prisoners had prior to the cooking pit.
  
  As to the red French berets , perhaps these bright young things are subconsciously expressing a desire for French settler colonialism , as opposed to the British , democratic version.
  
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  November 25, 2024 10:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Head adornments like sage and coriander, maybe some garlic.
    
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    November 25, 2024 3:14pm
- julesnzuk
  
  Red berets have long been a Marxist symbol and are also used by the extremist Economic Freedom Fighters in South Africa. If these Maori activist loons are also using it that is good, so the average complacent NZ bozo can see the Maori movement for what it is – far left Marxism.
  
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  November 26, 2024 12:34am
kiwikidsnz

The Standard have published their “paint by numbers” guide for their acolytes submissions to the Treaty Principles Bill

https://thestandard.org.nz/a-guide-to-making-a-submission-on-the-treaty-principles-bill/
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November 25, 2024 8:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Well thanks for that. I can only drop by that blog about once yearly. It quite literally makes me feel ill. I tried commenting there a few years ago in my usual polite and moderate fashion 😀. Someone named Lynn or Lyne? banned me. That was after someone else called me a Nazi. 😕
  
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  November 25, 2024 10:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Lynn. Man with a girl’s name according to Whaleoil.
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:15am
    - Jack5
      
      In the Standard advice on submissions, a quote from former Prime Minister and penalised company director Jenny Shipley:
      
      The voice of Maori, that reminds us that this was an agreement, a contract – and you do not rip up a contract and then just say, ‘Well, I’m happy to rewrite it on my terms, but you don’t count’.
      
      Shipley $6 million liability in Mainzeal case:
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/08/former-pm-dame-jenny-shipley-among-mainzeal-directors-ordered-to-pay-nearly-40-million-in-penalties-plus-interest.html
      
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      November 25, 2024 11:35am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I too have been banned from commenting on the Standard by a person called Incognito. They do not like comments that do not agree with their very left agenda especially if you provide facts they do not like.
    
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    November 25, 2024 11:22am
  - graham
    
    Probably Lynn Prentice, the System Operator/Moderator. It’s been a long time since I visited the blog, but he used to have some unusual attitudes, and would take great offence at anybody who commented in a manner that he felt was unacceptable. Among things he considered to be “unacceptable” was referring to “The Standard” in ANY way that implied it was sentient, because “it’s just a computer, it cannot reason …” and so on. That alone was enough to get you banned.
    
    He was a bit of an elitist, and scorned anyone he felt was not intellectual enough to debate intelligently or meet his high standards in all sorts of areas. The archetypal grumpy old man 😉 He may have changed since I last visited, but I doubt it.
    
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    November 25, 2024 11:44am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Scorned anyone who sounded like they were cleverer than her. And that’s not hard.
      
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      November 25, 2024 3:16pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Here we go again by so-called proponents and supporters of freedom of speech.
      Hypocrisy anyone.????
      
      It’s his Blog (The Standard) he can say what he wants and block what he doesn’t like.
      
      So, if you don’t like it. Don’t read it.
      
      Dont get your knickers in a twist if your comment gets you banned.
      
      Sheesh, Kiwiblog mods ban members regularly for some of their comments.
      
      It’s called life
      Get over yourselves.
      
      Prats will of course exercise their freedom of expression, and down tick me.
      
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      November 25, 2024 5:21pm
Swifty

I wonder if overnight our news media talked about ‘costs to New Zealand families’ rather than ‘costs to government’ people might be not quite so blasé about government spending:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/534700/climate-finance-nz-could-face-hefty-bill-as-new-funding-target-agreed-at-cop29
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November 25, 2024 8:10am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Better yet: the costs to the less than half of nz households who are net income taxpayers (after credits and transfers)
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:05am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is a shake down.
  
  Who is going to pay 300 billion Per Year in perpetuity?
  
  The USA is out. Not China. So it will be Canada 🇨🇦, Australia 🇦🇺 Japan 🇯🇵 the European Union 🇪🇺 New Zealand 🇳🇿, the rich non EU European countries, and who else? Not Argentina 🇦🇷.
  
  That is not many countries to raise 300 billion annually.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:52am
  - kowtow
    
    A couple of our ‘treaty’ settlements include perpetual top ups, so why not.
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:02am
  - Burtland
    
    the germans were keen to pay even more
    
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    November 25, 2024 11:35am
    - kowtow
      
      Outgoing labour /green nutters.
      
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      November 25, 2024 4:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

DC Swamp Crisis: DOGE Caucus Founder Unleashes Scathing Truth.
Video 5 min.
Looks like the “swamp creatures” are not very happy. 440 Govt Agencies – doing what?

https://americanvoterpolls.com/dc-swamp-crisis-doge-caucus-founder-unleashes-scathing-truth/?
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November 25, 2024 8:10am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I do not hold extreme views regarding New Zealand public servants. I have worked with many excellent folk. However I have also been exposed to many useless folk.
  
  There were about 65,000 core public servants when the government came to office. That does not include Crown entities. IIRC, the government has cut about 8,000.
  
  I think that the Government could cut another 20,000.
  
  Take my favourite topic. The Ministry of Education. It has 4000 staff. It should be broken up into three small agencies with a total of about 600.
  
  I am much less familiar with the Ministry of Social Development. It has 9,000 employees. Has it ever had an efficiency audit?
  
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  November 25, 2024 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Another 20,000 would be on the light side Benedict. But then, does the Private Sector want any of the useless pricks?
    These people were born useless.
    
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    November 25, 2024 3:20pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      They could round up trolleys at my Pak ‘n Save.
      
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      November 25, 2024 7:00pm
nygr

Next minute the All Blacks will be promoting anti gay or legalise dope whilst standing in front of the Palestinian flag.
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November 25, 2024 8:12am
- Burtland
  
  when will we get a rainbow crossing on the field
  
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  November 25, 2024 11:38am
- Damocles11
  
  Show the Woke Blacks how much you appreciate their support for the Maori separatist movement by boycotting their home games.
  
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  November 25, 2024 1:10pm
- Clyde
  
  I’m no fan of rugby – it has always been a pointless game to me, but I recognise that many people are attracted to the concept of people with the ability to run repeatedly at immovable objects with their head is attractive. It is not surprising that the code attracts so many East Polynesians.
  
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  November 25, 2024 1:35pm
pdm

No wonder the All Blacks are playing such crap rugby (no matter how well Italy played) when the team and apparently management allow Political views to override the preparation and importance of a Test match.

My view is here:
https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/11/24/hey-razor-what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-the-all-blacks/

ps. at the time of writing I was not aware the Haka was apparently endorsed by the team Coach’s and Management.
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November 25, 2024 8:15am
- Yabster
  
  well if it was endorsed by Coach and Mangement- then Fuck the AB’s- (never thought I would say that)- TJ has always been a shit stirring lil nob- piss of to Japan your slow pass won’t be missed.
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:21am
  - Prince
    
    or will his swearing at refs and pissing them off.
    
    https://www.tiktok.com/@mana_waves_4everyone/video/7409817947285376276
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:39am
  - Tricati
    
    Perenara was donkey deep in the reasons for Troy Bowker pulling out of the Hurricanes, and Peranara’s support of the anti-government haka from the Wellington woman’s team has said all about his political agenda.
    To say his performance before the Italian game was about ‘unity’ is just crap, it was about a separatist agenda and has no place within the All Blacks, or any sport for that matter.
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:46am
    - Conservatarian
      
      When you’ve sat on the All Blacks bench for 10+ seasons like he has, you probably wonder how else you can get your point across.
      
      His dad was a great softball player…and thank goodness I have no idea what his political opinions are (were).
      
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      November 25, 2024 5:17pm
  - PurplePen
    
    Perenara can take whatever political stance he likes. But when he does it in work uniform and from his place of work and with his employer’s approval then he’s a spokesperson for the NZRU. The NZRU should stay the f… out of politics.
    
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    November 25, 2024 7:04pm
- Terry Dalee
  
  Never mind the fundamental constitutional crisis that NZ faces over questions regarding equality of citizenship and the sovereignty of the government….
  
  The sky starts to fall in NZ when the All Blacks start losing…..
  It’s a pretty sad indictment on NZ and the apathy of the majority of the NZ population that that’s what it took to get people to take notice…
  You get what you deserve …
  
  Go Italy
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:22am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Forget the constitutional crisis.
    
    The country’s economy is accelerating down the toilet with businesses closing left right and centre.
    Meanwhile we watch various activists in their dress up box costumery dominate the attention of Parliament and extort money from private and public companies while seeking to increase their gravy train grifting.
    
    NZ is heading back to the stone age.
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:15am
    - PurplePen
      
      And to think Maori were only just lifted out of the stone-age less than 200 years ago. No thanks to the colonisers I suspect.
      
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- kowtow
  
  Yep , they should stick to their principal purpose .
  
  Selling over priced sweat shop produced merchandise to low IQ “sports” fanatics.
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:25am
- Paulus
  
  At last Perenara has foxtrot oscared to Japan.
  Is he even a Maori as there are no Maori anyway ?
  Why does New Zealand All Blacks have to be tarred with this stupid media inflated, and supported fiasco.
  I did not know the ABs had a Cultural Advisor just for their inflated Aotearoa affairs.
  Pity about the poor quality Rugby as well so diversion is appropriate.
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:28am
  - Yabster
    
    have a listen to the “cultural advisor” on newstalk- the fact the AB’s has one is bs- he reckons it promotes unity – what joke- that’s the kind of unity you have as long as you think the same as me… you would have thought they would have learnt from canes womans crap. Razor is has made a huge misstep.
    
    I have no doubt Perenara has no idea wants in the Bill – as most of the protestors didn’t.
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:08am
- Prince
  
  Are we to believe that all members of th e touring party agree with TPM/Greens/Labour.
  Or has anyone with opposing views been bullied to acquiesce ?
  As is likely, this may explain why the team is playing as though they have just met. There is no cohesion, no agreed game plan, no ’14 men finding space for the 15th.’
  Time to clear the air, get personal grievances and politics out of the way, and concentrate on the basics of the game. Pace, Position, Possession.
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:32am
  - cmm
    
    “Or has anyone with opposing views been bullied to acquiesce ?”
    
    As are:
    * Anyone working for government.
    * Anyone working for a large private organisation.
    * Anyone seeking public office of any kind.
    *…
    
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    November 25, 2024 9:24am
  - PurplePen
    
    No ‘unity’ then which their cultural advisor was saying could only be achieved by the cultural advisor’s work.
    
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    November 25, 2024 7:09pm
- Mod88
  
  There is going to be a big hit for the NZRFU over this financially and I suspect the All Blacks themselves as the obvious comparison is there is a NZ Maori Team the separatists and their followers have to make Political Statements. Heaven forbid we had a NZ European Team, just imagine the outcry.
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:40am
  - MCōs
    
    We sent NZ European teams to South Africa on several occasions
    In 1970 Māori players were included for the first time as honorary whites
    Weren’t they lucky
    
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    November 25, 2024 9:34am
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      IIRC it was from about then onwards that black people from overseas fell outside the apartheid laws and were expected to stay in top end hotels etc.
      
      While they, and the West Indian cricketers etc, were often labelled as “uncle Toms” etc, I really think they helped move the needle in terms of people thinking about race in South Africa.
      
      Think of a white boy from a racist family going to the cricket and standing with other kids to get a West Indian (or Maori) autograph, then putting up a poster of the All Blacks or the West Indian cricket team on his bedroom wall. Having a dark skinned hero can really move how people think.
      
      By the mid 1980s apartheid was well on the way out though many probably didn’t realise things were moving as fast as they were.
      
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      November 25, 2024 11:06am
    - Yabster
      
      – that wasn’t justifiable then and so that makes the Maori team now even worse, but then again you lefty luvies can justify anything as long as it fits the narrative.
      
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      November 25, 2024 11:07am
      - MCōs
        
        I expect you’re likewise agin the Maori Battalion, the Maori cemetery in Mangere Bridge, the two Muslim schools in Mangere plus any other schools that have require some sort or religious affiliation, including the one at Gloriavale and so on
        
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        November 25, 2024 11:36am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      MCos, that was wrong then, and no one has proposed doing such a thing for many decades. Leave your grievance in the past.
      
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      November 25, 2024 1:01pm
  - kowtow
    
    The “hit” can only come when thinking , rational and engaged NZers decide to make a point and let the NZRFU know how they feel and refuse to buy the merchandise , click on their websites and not fill stadia ( at appalling personal financial cost) for test matches .
    
    It can be done.
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:04am
- Yabster
  
  I have emailed the NZRU -asking them if the coach and management approved the Haka wording and asked about the team pic re the Maori flag- if true the AB’s will no longer have my support.
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:56am
  - john1234
    
    NZRU complaint line here:
    https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/about-nzr/complaints-management-service
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:14am
    - Grunter
      
      Thanks for the link. My complaint was lodged just now.
      
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      November 25, 2024 12:01pm
  - nathie
    
    When they respond maybe reply back to them asking what would be their stance then if the AB’s wanted to show support of Seymour’s TPB waving a large banner whilst still on the pitch?
    
    Goose, gander and all that.
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:19am
  - marleybob
    
    Yep they knew and approved.
    Like you the abs are dead to me and from now on I will only be cheering on their opposition. Hard for me to say that as I’m was a avid NZ rugby supporter and player, played my last game at 65.
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:24am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    So promotion of maori is no good but their support of domestic violence is ok?
    
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    November 25, 2024 11:26am
  - Burtland
    
    NZRU have navigated all this previously with the springbok tours
    – seems they havent learnt anything
    
    Wonder what their big sponsors think
    https://www.allblacks.com/partners
    
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    November 25, 2024 11:53am
- G152
  
  To much haka to little hooker.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:23am
- thirteenstars
  
  I haven’t seen the anthems in the last couple of games but at the England game the NZ team only sang the Maori version of the anthem.
  
  Has that been the case for subsequent games?
  
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  November 25, 2024 10:39am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I’ll be ok with the first verse of the national anthem being in Maori when the first verse of the haka is delivered in English.
    
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    November 25, 2024 1:02pm
artemisia

Will Wellington mayor Tory Whanau stand again as promised on several occasions? Herald today (paywalled):

Has Tory Whanau changed her mind about running again for Wellington’s mayoralty?- A Capital Letter by Georgina Campbell.

Whanau has always maintained she wants to spend three terms as the Mayor of Wellington.

And then –

(Nick) Mills wanted to know if she was still keen on a second term … “Nothing has changed,” Whanau replied.But then she said: “I’ll be having those conversations with family and friends at the right time.”

Anyone want to take a guess? Bearing in mind good chance she would be elected as mayor again.
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November 25, 2024 8:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What else could she do?
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:22am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Management consultancy.
    
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    November 25, 2024 8:30am
    - Keith White
      
      In charge of road cones in Kaitaia.
      
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      November 25, 2024 2:48pm
  - pdm
    
    No 4 on the Green Party list.
    
    I don’t think they currently have a dipsomaniac.
    
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    November 25, 2024 8:36am
  - all true
    
    She should resign
    
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    November 25, 2024 8:47am
  - Taieri
    
    What else could she do?
    ————–
    
    Pak’n’Slave are always on the lookout for good staff. But, if nothing else, they require punctuality…
    
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    November 25, 2024 9:01am
    - igm
      
      She would not even qualify for trolley retrieval duties . . . a loser.
      
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      November 25, 2024 9:16am
    - Flossie
      
      Yeah but they want GOOD staff…
      
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      November 25, 2024 9:48am
      - Keith White
        
        …who are sober.
        
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        November 25, 2024 2:49pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    All Black half back
    
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    November 25, 2024 9:23am
    - Yabster
      
      she prob got a better pass than Perenara- she’s def good at passing the buck
      
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      November 25, 2024 12:29pm
  - grumpy
    
    I thought she was auditioning a while ago in a Wellington bar?
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:33am
    - pdm
      
      Was that not for Hooker rather than half back Grumpy?
      
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      November 25, 2024 12:22pm
- peterwn
  
  She would not stand unless she thinks she will win. She will no doubt discuss with friends and associates (especially The Post editor) the chances of success. She would most probably have polls (not Curia) done.
  Years ago in Auckland long time Mayor Robbie did not bother to read the tea leaves in his last Mayoral election and crashed out badly. If he realised his days were numbered he could have retired honourably from the Mayoralty.
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:42am
- Gussy Fink-Nottle
  
  Whanau completely underestimated the role (“I thought, as Mayor, you could fly under the radar”).
  
  She won’t be running again.
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:43am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Two years in and very recently she was still “settling into the role”.
    
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    November 25, 2024 9:50am
  - peterwn
    
    She should have been a council member first to find out how a council works so it is little wonder that it is taking ages for her to settle in. A problem Labour and Greens have is they are too ready to select candidates from their back office staff whereas National (via local electorate groups) expects their staffers to get out and get a REAL job before having a crack at candidacy (eg Nicola Willis and Tom Rutherford).
    
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    November 25, 2024 12:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My guess is she will stay. Right now she is just keeping her name in the leftist media.
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:43am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She will read the room and run like Ardern
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:59am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Where she going to run to? She is not Jacinda who can get paid mega dollars in California and Massachusetts to give speeches.
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:33am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Herstory repeats, the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.
      
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      November 25, 2024 1:17pm
    - Taieri
      
      Where she going to run to?
      ———–
      
      Taihape, Tokoroa, Featherston…
      
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      November 25, 2024 3:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Tairua, and have the street cut off. Residents only.
        
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        November 25, 2024 3:37pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Surely the people of Wellington would not be stupid enough to vote her in again?
  I don’t think she will stand again as to likely to lose. She will be trying to get herself a position in the Green Party.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:07am
  - zulumonster
    
    Don’t bet on it … I do my best to warn my fellow Wellingtonian’s of the dangers of complacency – but there are hoards of Green and Red sympathisers who may never see the error of their ways.
    
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    November 25, 2024 12:00pm
  - artemisia
    
    Greens are very good at getting out their vote.
    
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    November 25, 2024 3:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think most here stopped reading at the word “stupid.”
    
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    November 25, 2024 3:38pm
  - PurplePen
    
    BTW, I wonder what Darlene is doing now? Just musing.
    
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    November 25, 2024 7:14pm
- Eastlander
  
  The thing about her is that she is a continuous catastrophe – every day she says or does something as idiotic or more so than any of her known scandals. She is a completely obedient puppet of the CEO and has no thoughts of her own regarding the job. If you hear her speaking about anything other than personal complaints it is McKerrow’s voice you are hearing. Finding someone similarly vacuous to replace her would not be difficult, but getting the replacement into office would be more so now.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:41am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Mackerrow is leaving.
    
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    November 25, 2024 1:17pm
    - Eastlander
      
      The rumours surrounding the possible replacements have not been encouraging, and the rest of the executive leadership team is still there.
      
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      November 25, 2024 7:59pm
Yvette

Behind the Banner: Inside the hīkoi mō te Tiriti

At the centre of concerns is the ACT Party’s Treaty Principles Bill, which aims to legally define the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.

Ngātiwai leader Aperahama Edwards walked solemnly at the front of the group. He wore a traditional pākē harakeke (Māori rain cape), used for both protection and shelter.
Alongside him walked Te Pāti Māori co-leader, Rawiri Waititi, and Waititi’s wife, Kiri Tamihere-Waititi [1], who was one of the organisers of the march.
She felt bittersweet at the sights of Auckland appearing through the drizzle.
“<b<I want to cry. You can hear all of our whānau behind us. We've got all of our babies here, and it's for them.
"We've been so traumatised as a people, and it's really hard to see, it's really hard to feel, and it's really hard to endure.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/534594/behind-the-banner-inside-the-hikoi-mo-te-tiriti

Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke told the crowd this hīkoi was never about the billshe tore up in the House, instead it was about unity. …
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi referred to the haka in Parliament last week against the Act Party’s Treaty Principles Bill that was shared around the world. “Thanks to Hana, the whole world is watching.”
He then used his moment at the microphone to rally the troops.
“Where to from here? Yes tino rangatiratanga is ours but we have to have a kāwanatanga strategy. Get on the Māori roll. Each and everyone has a responsibility to our mokopuna to turn up and ensure we don’t have a fascist government like we do today.”
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/11/20/the-people-were-speaking-seymour-couldnt-hear-them/?

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[1] It is possible that security agencies will be closely monitoring Kiri Tamihere-Waititi, the wife of Māori Party Co-Leader Rawiri Waititi. and daughter of John Tamihere, who became president of the Māori Party in June 2022

She declared, “They’re (The Government) doing everything and they’ve got the f***** power to get rid of us. And while you’re thinking about that, you might as well also start thinking about how we’re going to take our country back too. We’re continuing to subscribe to a model that was designed to assimilate, to continue to colonise, and to keep us as second-class citizens in our own country. By design, we are not unified. Right? Just imagine, just take one f***** minute of your day to imagine if we were all on the same page. Can you imagine the might and the power that we would have? We could overthrow any government. We could do whatever the f*** we wanted.”

Her expletive-laden social media rant, urging Māori to overthrow the government, wasn’t just a step too far—it was potentially illegal.
https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/opinion-is-kiri-tamihere-waititis-expletive-laden-video-a-national-security-threat/.
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November 25, 2024 8:16am
- Flossie
  
  I would really like them to explain exactly how Maori are disadvantaged. In this country Maori have the same rights as anybody else, plus extras. For example yesterday I saw a billboard advertising the Maori Sports Awards. Maori are not excluded from any of the other sports awards.
  Those constantly shouting about how they are oppressed should have a look at successful Maori in other countries, like Australia, and ask how is it possible when they are not afforded any additional rights there.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:55am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Flossie you know the answer. YOU are racist/bigoted/a decrepit boomer stuck in the 1950’s etc etc! /
    
    Abuse and treats is all they have.
    
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    November 25, 2024 6:36pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  This drives me nuts. Can the woman who is in despair explain how the Bill would adversely affect her family? I don’t mean word salad explain. I mean actual explain.
  
  If someone is so distraught at a government bill, I genuinely and sincerely want to understand why that is so. I have heard nothing.
  
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  November 25, 2024 10:37am
  - sirknz
    
    Can the woman who is in despair explain how the Bill would adversely affect her family?
    
    I can give it a go.
    
    Her dad would not be receiving taxpayer money to fund any of his activities or pay for his lifestyle, and also fund her lifestyle as well.
    
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    November 25, 2024 11:20am
- Paulus
  
  I have love Pantomime all my life, so no different now !
  
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  November 25, 2024 2:11pm
- PurplePen
  
  “You can hear all of our whānau behind us. We’ve got all of our babies here, and it’s for them.”.
  
  Just not for the ones beaten, tortured and brutally murdered, aye?
  
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  November 25, 2024 7:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Border Czar Homan sends his first message.
The last border czar laughed, this one means business. No amnesty, no excuses.
When you are ordered removed, you are going to leave.
MAGA.

https://pjnewsletter.com/trumps-border-czar-sends/?
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November 25, 2024 8:16am
Yvette

Guest Post: Peter Ellis Case Blows Up New Zealand – Twice

Summary
Male primary school teachers are rare, with 85% of teachers being female (2022). This is concerning as boys, especially the 20% living in female-only households, need male role models. Societal dysfunction and rising crime are linked to this absence. Meanwhile, senior justices focus on Māori underperformance, attributing it to systemic privilege rather than cultural issues. Justice Cooke’s 1987 description of the Māori-Crown relationship as a “partnership” has evolved into legal precedence, now influencing government policy.

In 2022, the Supreme Court’s invocation of tikanga to quash Peter Ellis’s convictions further strengthens Māori custom in law, raising concerns about Māori supremacy.

• A crucial point here is that judiciary took a break of several weeks to consider the matter of tikanga. Peter Ellis’s memory suffered not only from the taint of previous legal error, but the present involvement in a studied agenda.

Simple Western respect and dignity of reputation, even after death (legacy), has been turned into legal cultural misappropriation and a premeditated agenda?
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November 25, 2024 8:21am
- imalwaysright
  
  Judicial necrophilia.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:27am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.20am, zero bikes.

A calm, warm morning in the Capital, glorious for cycling. If you don’t cycle now, you never will.
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November 25, 2024 8:32am
- imalwaysright
  
  “At 8.20am, zero bikes.”
  
  Maybe that’s what the mean by “the road to zero”.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:28am
  - pdm
    
    Good one Ima.
    
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    November 25, 2024 12:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Road to nowhere” Talking Heads.
    “we don’t know where we’ve been”
    
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    November 25, 2024 3:42pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  So, for context:
  
  There are certainly commuter cyclists in Wellington, many of them on The Terrace. But, if their office buildings are anything like mine, they have a basement or carpark section with bike parking plus adjacent showers. There are also steel beams secured to buildings at street level, presumably for any stray visitors.
  
  This part of The Terrace is absolutely Mon-Fri 8am-6pm office commuter belt. There are virtually no flats locally, no nightlife, no weekend attractions etc. You could fire the proverbial shotgun down the street with little danger to life or limb.
  
  There’s nothing secret about any of this; it is obvious to blind Freddy.
  
  It’s clear that the WCC commissioning manager did no market research about the potential user base for this cycle rack. Most likely s/he had a “build it & they will come” mentality; or it’s a case of monumental incompetence. Either way, the utter waste of $587,000 of ratepayer’s money should be a disciplinary offence.
  
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  November 25, 2024 10:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Discipline? Nope, DCM.
    
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    November 25, 2024 3:43pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  When I worked in Wellington 1973-74 we had five calm warm mornings each year. The other 360 mornings it blew a gale.
  Climate change has its advantages.
  
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  November 25, 2024 11:19am
kowtow

NZME Herald use a photo of a prank on the front page to again whip up hysteria and attack the coaltion.

The accompanying story quotes someone called Dr Catherine Leonard of Ihi Research saying the gang patch ban risks undermining trust between the police and gangs.

WTF?

ps that Copper better worry about leakers within the ranks.
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November 25, 2024 8:33am
- G152
  
  The gangs are criminals
  The cops are law enforcement. Trust?????????????
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:29am
- cmm
  
  Unfortunately Leonard is probably correct.
  
  I expect there is collaboration between the Mongrel Mob and the police.
  
  For the most part the “tough on gangs” work from the police has been directed at smaller gangs who are the MMob’s enemies.
  
  Sure, once in a while there’s also some activity agaist MMob, but that’s probably the Mob feeding the cops someone they want to get rid of anyway.
  
  Like professional wrestling, I suspect the story we are being told is vastly different to what is really happening under the hood.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:31am
greenfinger

How many businesses and their employees have lost their livelihoods in Wellington since Tory came into power. There you go, there is your answer as to who you should not vote for in the 2025 local body election! Bottle this up and make your vote count on 11 October 2025.
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November 25, 2024 8:34am
- MCōs
  
  Is that Tory or the Torys?
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:29am
imalwaysright

Tvnz have been doing extended daily updates on the Aussie teenage girls who died from alcohol poisoning in Laos.

The 8 year old maori child murdered by, as yet unidentified, scumbag/s in Whakatane recently barely gets a mention.

Are Tvnz racists perhaps ?
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November 25, 2024 8:44am
- RoboRob
  
  Yes. They are infected with the progressive left, Maori and virtue signaling non Maori. Their ‘news’ is produced with a slant that always assumes Maori are hard done by and that their views are always the right ones. When the head of news and head political reporter and on the Maori parties hikoi, you can gaurantee the news you get will be one sided.
  
  Any stories negative towards Maori (or gangs / 501s) are played down or ignored. We get puff pieces that 501s are just unlucky NZers chosen to be deported, they are good people and should have been welcomed. Gangs are positive members of society that are part of Maori culture and should be welcomed by all, any legislation against them is racist and wont work.
  
  When gang members are involved in violent crime their gang associations are hidden. When non gang members with right wing affiliations that is always highlighted and these people are ‘far right wing extremists’. There are no left wing extremists, thats not possible.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:15am
  - Paulus
    
    To be a 501 there is the need that that person is not an Australian Citizen, but a New Zealand one, and that many have well over 100 serious Convictions.
    I do not blame the Aussies, but would be happier without them back here.
    
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    November 25, 2024 2:15pm
    - RoboRob
      
      We know that but TVNZ has been running stories about the poor 501s, telling us how hard done by they are and that they never wanted to be deported.
      
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      November 25, 2024 4:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Woke Pentagon officials are panicking over this showdown with Donald Trump.
“President Joe Biden injected wokeness into every area of the federal government including the military.
The Department of Defense became a massive sociology experiment under his administration. ”
DEI is out on it’s ear. How can you have a strong Military with that nonsense?

I hope Trump goes back to supporting Veterans. Democrats treat Vets like shit.

https://patriotpulse.net/woke-pentagon-officials-are-panicking-over-this-showdown-with-donald-trump/?
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November 25, 2024 8:54am
- RoboRob
  
  Dan Bongino says ‘When the agencies fight against your nomination, you know you have picked the right person’. Pretty sound logic in these circumstances.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:20am
Scooter

Not a surprise after seeing the 2 female cops helping paint the hikoi protest banners. Who else in the public service is hiding in plain sight, actively undermining the government?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/photos-of-police-officer-wearing-gang-patch-spark-controversy-days-after-ban/
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November 25, 2024 8:56am
- RoboRob
  
  Almost all of the top journalists & managment at TNVZ and RNZ.
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:21am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    The lady from TVNZ that took time off to attend the hikoi IMO should now miss out on the top job she was going for as her independence is now compromised.
    
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    November 25, 2024 11:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It will be “what she does in her private time blah blah blah blah.”
      “She was on annual leave blah blah blah blah.”
      No sarc!
      
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      November 25, 2024 3:49pm
    - RoboRob
      
      I’m more worried about the ones that didn’t take time off work to attend but actively promoted and supported the cause while pretending to be neutral observers.
      
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      November 25, 2024 4:35pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Scooter,
  
  The police seem to be in a quandry about what to do about an officer wearing a gang patch.
  
  How about they enforce the law?
  
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  November 25, 2024 10:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Police arrest the Police? Baaaahhhhh!
    
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    November 25, 2024 3:50pm
- MCōs
  
  Then there’s the Bobby parading round wearing a gang patch
  Somehow I doubt it’s because of any sympathy for gangs
  
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  November 25, 2024 11:19am
MCōs

Keep politicians out of sport
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-demand/video/john-key-moments-three-way-handshake/
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November 25, 2024 8:56am
kevn

mcos… Ah, 2016, thanks for the memories.
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November 25, 2024 8:58am
- MCōs
  
  It was the RWC 2011 at Eden Park and the real hero was Beaver who kicked what turned out to be the winning penalty
  The three way hand shake was an amusing side show that Mr Key is still trying to explain away
  https://www.instagram.com/reel/DB5fAmZJl9Q/?igsh=MTgwOHp5NnRrejZkbg==
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:20am
  - Manu-Rau
    
    Aah, the three-way handshake. How can we forget when Leftie trolls keep bringing it up?
    
    Strangely, none of these Lefties can name the three post-1972 Labour PMs who cheated on their wives while they were in office.
    
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    November 25, 2024 1:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More on Homan.
He will deport with or without co-operation from sanctuary cities.
How long before the Democrats realise that Trump is going to do what he says he will?

https://conservativeadvocacy.com/trump-appoints-homan-as-border-czar-to-lead-largest-deportation-effort-in-us-history/?
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November 25, 2024 9:10am
Swifty

I’d be interested in knowing whether Debbie Ngarewa-Packer thinks there are any roles or positions in New Zealand society where one should or must subjugate one’s personal views and prioritise the interests of any organisation one represents?

Or does she think that irrespective of what position a person holds, or organisation they represent, people should be encouraged and praised when they use their platform to put across their private and political views?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/534724/tj-perenara-s-tiriti-haka-addition-welcomed-by-both-te-pati-maori-and-david-seymour

How would she feel about a NZ governor-general who tells people to vote ACT as they pin a medal on someone at an investiture? Midwives railing against TPM as they advise expectant mothers about breast-feeding? Police bad-mouthing lefty governments as they go into schools and speak to school children?

She’d be fine with this would she? She’d praise these people for speaking their minds? She’d ‘celebrate’ them and their kaupapa would she?
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November 25, 2024 9:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I notice all of your replies and downticks Swifty.
  Right over the target!
  
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  November 25, 2024 4:05pm
Taieri

The Treaty of Waitangi in 2024…
Dave Witherow hits the bullseye:

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/11/dave-witherow-treaty-weather.html
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November 25, 2024 9:13am
- Yabster
  
  Great article- circulate it far and wide- lets stop the gravy train!!
  
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  November 25, 2024 2:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Cruz Promises Fully Secured Border by Next February.
Video 4 min.
“People want a strong America that stands firm with its allies and believes in the potential of its citizens. As Cruz replied to questions about immigration, his tone suggested he sees this issue not just as a talking point but as a calling. The electorate appears motivated by real concerns, and according to Cruz, they expect action.”

https://politicalactionalerts.com/cruz-promises-fully-secured-border-by-next-february/?
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November 25, 2024 9:19am
krazykiwi

I see the petition to call a new General Election in the UK has passed 1.5m entries.
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November 25, 2024 9:35am
- Bridgenag
  
  Glad you are back Krazy Just need Maggie Pie as well…….
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:38am
  - lifesgood
    
    No, no, no, please not.
    
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    November 25, 2024 11:31am
  - mogg
    
    Maggie Pie might already be back, just watch for new name comments which would fit with her unique style.
    
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    November 25, 2024 2:35pm
- Ian Boag
  
  50m voters in the UK
  
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  November 25, 2024 4:46pm
cmm

I really don’t understand people like this…

Only buy a car for $50k+ and try to keep it mint if you can afford to do so.

Then he can’t learn the $16000 lesson first time and drives over the same roads again. Surprise, surprise… same results!

Roads are not pristine environments. Expect your car to get a few chips and dings. If you get upset by that then buy a $10k car.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nzta-under-fire-as-northland-mans-car-suffers-32000-damage-from-roadworks/IVWUEHPWOFEO3FQXR4XOGSWJMU/
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November 25, 2024 9:38am
- MCōs
  
  Likewise don’t buy new carpet if there are toddlers in the house
  Stick with the old one and enjoy the kids
  
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  November 25, 2024 9:47am
oldpark

Seems Perenara in his Haka Performance before the Rugby Game in Italy as he was preaching so called togetherness and unity for all in New Zealand as long as the 17% of people known as Maori in New Zealand can legally control any which way the other 83% of New Zealand’s population .
His actions have opened up more debate and attention on why David Seymour is screaming equality and a fair go and equal balance for all the races in New Zealand .
Perhaps a much needed referendum on the Racial Angst by many needs to be aired a lot more than NZs control freak so called Mainstream Media care to cover both sides of the debate not just the separatism view .
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November 25, 2024 9:42am
- greybeard
  
  Exactly, which is why I sent Hosking & HDPA this email yesterday:
  ”
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360497648/watch-tj-perenara-leads-all-blacks-haka-probably-last-time
  
  ““So for us to be able to acknowledge that unification of our people, all of our people, not just tangata whenua, but tangata katoa (everybody) of Aotearoa, it’s something that was important for us, and important for me,” Perenara said.”
  
  – he is so wrong: what Seymour wants, and is proposing through his bill, is the equality of all New Zealanders.
  
  What Perenara sees as “unification” via the hikoi is just the opposite ! What the hikoi supported was special rights for maori to be acknowledged.
  
  Are there any media people left in NZ who will question things ?
  
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  November 25, 2024 11:50am
  - Fender
    
    Hes just not that bright I’m afraid, Its not 76 Montreal level disruption, remember Josh Kronfiled playing with a stop testing headband and a peace sign in France.
    I am more interested that none of his team mates are brave enough to call him out or stand away, Lewis Hamilton trying to get all the F1 drivers to take a knee springs to mind,funniest thing watch half of them stand and ignore him
    
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    November 25, 2024 1:35pm
- SmokerGuy
  
  I haven’t seen anyone explain how 17% of the country having a bigger say over the rest of us will somehow benefit everyone and that it is somehow for all of us not just Maori. I mean are they suggesting that the 87% of people in NZ don’t have this countries best interests at heart? So Maori need to have a bigger say so the country can be safeguarded? How does that make any sense at all? It’s all about money, power and politics imo.
  
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  November 25, 2024 2:21pm
Bridgenag

DOGE this
an aristocracy fails in the matrix

meet brian. brian is a self-styled “media personality” from MSN and other venues.
brian is frightened.
i chose him because he seems an apt and representative example of a viewpoint emerging in response to the increasingly apparent roadmap of elon and vivek’s “DOGE” as others start to see what certain internet felines were discussing the other day about what’s coming to DC.
what’s interesting is how much we agree on what’s in store for the swamp.
obviously, there is some divergence on how we feel about it.

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/doge-this?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 25, 2024 9:45am
I remember when

Do the calls for Maori ‘sovereignty’ and the blaming of ‘colonialism’ as cures for many Maori outcomes ignore the results?
If we take ‘sovereignty’ to mean Maori ability to decide their own course of action, where is this best evidenced?
Surely it is in the isolated maraes around New Zealand, places where Maori behaviours and outcomes have been largely self-determined.
The very places where many of the adverse Maori outcomes for Life expectancy, Education, Health care and Employment result.
So ‘colonialism’ rather than being the problem would appear to provide the answer.
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November 25, 2024 10:12am
cmm

I was chatting to someone about the pros and cons of conscription and it occurred to me that there were some benefits in South Africa that would be useful in NZ that I had not considered before.

Conscription is a great equaliser as well as being great at team building and giving people a common experience.

If two white South African men over 55 or so meet for the first time one of the things they will have in common is having both done conscription and they have some sort of common bond. One might have been in the Navy and another in the Army, one might have been a driver and the other a parabat (aka meat bomb), one an officer and the other a private, one might have been to university and the other left school early. It does not really matter – they will have a common reference point.

Apart from the racial divisions in South African society that everyone knows about, there was also a language division between English and Afrikaners. Even in the 1980s (and to a lesser extent today) there is animosity – particularly about the Boer war which ended in 1902.

With their rise to power in 1948, the Afrikaners rebuilt the government system to serve the interests of Afrikaners above the interest of others (including English speaking whites). In theory English and Afrikaans speakers were equal. In practice they weren’t.

In many ways, the split between Afrikaners and English speakers was very much like the current split between Whites and Maori in NZ.

One place we saw this much less was in the Army. Sure, the Army was dominated by Afrikaners, and there were some Corporals etc that gleefully abused English speakers, but amongst recruits there was a mutual respect. You’re all the same – going through the same hell of basic training etc. English or Afrikaner – the other guys in your platoon became your brothers. That also extended out to others in your unit, your service and – ultimately – to all young men who did service as conscripts.

That feeling last forever. 40 years on, I will meet people and there’s that instant bond and basis for understanding.

I wonder. would conscription help in a positive way like that in NZ – to break down the wall that is growing in society?
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November 25, 2024 11:28am
- Taieri
  
  There are many more benefits of conscription. Such as instilling sense of purpose, responsibility, self-discipline, social structure and so on.
  I’ve seen it in an organized activity, which while not military, provided changing point in many young people’s lives.
  
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  November 25, 2024 11:34am
- Burtland
  
  If you reintroduce conscription theyll use it for brainwashing the country with DEI.
  
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  November 25, 2024 12:21pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  That’s rugby here. Let’s hope TJ hasn’t put the kibosh on that.
  
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  November 25, 2024 1:24pm
- MCōs
  
  NZ doesn’t need a standing army of that size and nor could we afford one.
  
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  November 25, 2024 2:13pm
  - MCōs
    
    We had Compulsory Military Service until it abolished by the Kirk government in 1972, never to be seen again.
    There was some unease that conscripts would be sent to fight in Vietnam as happened in Australia
    Twenty year old males were balloted for a three month period of conscription.
    
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    November 25, 2024 2:40pm
    - Manu-Rau
      
      No, CMT was abolished in 1958. Kirk abolished Selective National Service, which is another thing altogether.
      
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      November 25, 2024 2:46pm
  - cmm
    
    Conscription is exactly the opposite of a standing army. The idea is to have everyone trained, but productive in the economy and therefor ready to deploy if needed.
    
    Conscriptiion is one of the cheapest ways to have an effective defence strategy. Switzerland spends less on defence than we do. Sweden and Norway just a shade more.
    
    I think we could have a far better defence capability by:
    a) focusing purely on non-expeditionary (ie. local defensive) capability.
    b) using constription rather than a large standing army.
    
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    November 25, 2024 7:40pm
Jack5

The national health crisis is here.

Patients needing urgent treatment not making it on to waiting lists, says this GP.

Keep up the high immigration rates and things will get worse.

Watch NZ’s comparative level of health – real Gross Domestic Product per capita. “Real” for inflation adjusted.

We’re down to 44th in GDP per capita. While India is still 150th, China 97th, and the Philippines 148th, there are millions more we can pull into the boat.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/patients-referred-for-orthopaedic-surgery-not-even-making-waiting-lists/V4ZZJ23I2BFK5FQRNUR7Z532FE/
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November 25, 2024 12:09pm
In Vino Veritas

So, the Government are making a settlement with Moriori. Because they were attacked by two Maori tribes, who killed 1 sixth of them, enslaved the rest and took control of the Chathams. And the Land Court didn’t recognise Moriori. FFS. How about the two tribes who killed and enslaved them make a settlement?
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November 25, 2024 2:07pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  You mean Willie jackson ancestors…..the ones he proudly states he personally is not responsible for the wrongs done by said ancestors …..and yet here we are a settlement here, a settlement there, everywhere a settlement…..
  
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  November 25, 2024 2:49pm
  - MCōs
    
    The tribes that invaded the Chathams were Ngāti Tama and Ngāti Mutunga
    Willie Jackson is Ngāti Maniapoto & Ngāti Porou
    
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    November 25, 2024 3:00pm
    - Blog-aholic
      
      Willie Jackson has stated clearly he is related. IDGAF how but they are his words not mine.
      
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      November 25, 2024 3:25pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yep, at his speech in Parliament when he fronted the Labour government’s Chatmans (Moriori) treaty settlement he clearly stated he was descended from Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga.
        
        I watched it again only a few days ago.
        
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        November 25, 2024 5:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You are correct…..
        
        Here is Willie Jackson’s speech in Parliament at the 3rd reading of the Moriori Claims Settlement Bill:
        
        It’s an honour and a privilege to speak in this third reading. For myself, as a descendant of Ngāti Tama and Ngāti Mutunga, it is without doubt a privilege and an honour. Some people might think it’s not right for someone like me to speak, given the mahi and what happened with my ancestors, but I’ve always said to a number of Moriori who I grew up with—some of the Solomon whānau in Māngere—that I couldn’t be held responsible for the acts of some of our tīpuna and some of our ancestors, as a lot of people would argue today, perhaps, with regards to what their ancestors did to Māori.
        
        https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20211123_051780000/jackson-willie
        
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        November 25, 2024 6:47pm
    - Flossie
      
      Amongst other things. In fact mostly other things.
      
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      November 25, 2024 3:42pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The google machine gives me this:
    Willie Jackson DNA Test Results
    18% English
    34% Chinese
    25% Ashkenazi Jew
    0.4% African
    20% Polynesian
    2% Spanish
    Multi millionaire
    Identifies as an oppressed Maori
    
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    November 25, 2024 4:19pm
    - Jack5
      
      Pretty weird, New Zealand’s Parliament apologising for a Maori invasion before the Treaty of Waitangi formed the nation of New Zealand.
      
      Politicians have framed it that New Zealand’s Parliament is apologising for not legally freeing Moriori slaves of the Maori soon enough,and for not soon enough returning to Moriori ownership of land stolen by Maori – or paying compensation for the theft.
      
      The NZ Government has given Moriori $18 million in settlement – in effect – for genocide, enslavement, and land seizure by pre-Treaty Maori.
      
      Bit as though WW2 concentration camp survivors were to hound the US , the UK, and the Soviet Union for not shutting down concentrations soon enough.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/moriori-praised-for-dedication-patience-as-18m-and-apology-settlement-with-crown-becomes-law/VR32NHE6MDBEHZE6ZL5Z2X5NDU/
      
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      November 25, 2024 5:36pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I heard the guy spewing nothing but childish and unprofessional abuse in parliament in regards National’s “bootcamp” trial for youth offenders. The language is so out there that I do wonder if some of these people are funded by a certain large totalitarian regime as part of a divide and conquer project.
      
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      November 25, 2024 6:43pm
    - Jack5
      
      Wily-Willie Jackson’s DNA analysis as listed by poster Steve Otto stops 0.6 per cent short of the “full quid” – 100 per cent.😃
      
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      November 26, 2024 12:07am
cmm

The story surrounding Olivia Podmore’s suicide is extremely sad and is a warning to people attaching too much of their self-worth and identity to being high performers in any field.

They’re trying to peg this on a toxic culture in cycling NZ, but I think there is at least a degree of this built in to anyone compelled to succeed.

I had some similar issues when I was at school. I would certainly have topped myself if I had ever scored below 90% in a maths test.

I think too that this can be hyped by parents attaching too much of their pride to their children’s sporting etc success. Children can easily develop the feeling that providing status for their families is their role and they are letting down the family or they will be unloved if they fail to perform.

Anyway, it’s a sad business. Parents – be careful about how you handle your children’s success and how you push them.
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November 25, 2024 3:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That is one aspect to the Olivia Podmore case…and I agree… up to a point.
  
  But there seems to be a very clear case that this young woman was being relentlessly bullied by a bunch of adults who were receiving a damn good whack of taxpayer$ large$$e.
  
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  November 25, 2024 6:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump plans to kick transgender troops out of the military.
Well in the military they pay for the chop and tuck don’ they?//
Unfit to serve?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-plans-to-kick-transgender-troops-out-of-the-military-report/ar-AA1uGeF5?
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November 25, 2024 4:38pm
Ian Boag

The haka thing

If I were a Maori and I cared about the haka I would be totally over the way it has been hijacked over time by the national rugby team.
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November 25, 2024 7:24pm
- MCōs
  
  The Kapa o Pango haka was written for the All Blacks
  Ka Mate was written by Te Rauparaha and the ABs are free to use it
  https://www.ajpark.com/insights/the-haka-ka-mate-attribution-act-the-right-of-attribution/
  
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  November 25, 2024 10:21pm
cmm

A genuine question:

Are these blessings for whales real or is are they a newly affected “tradition” put on for the white fulla to go with Matariki etc.

It seems to me that it is far more likely that big lumps of fresh meat washing up would traditionally been seen as heaven sent food and bone resources rather than any sort of spiritual entity worthy of dignity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekdrrUwwW1Q
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November 25, 2024 7:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Considering that whales have been stranding on our shores for millennia, there would have been ample whale bone for the first Maori on our shores.
  
  There is no record of pre-European Maori indulging in Whale-hunting, but as the first whalers arrived in the early 1790s, there has been a long association of some Maori families with whaling.
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/whaling/page-4
  
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  November 25, 2024 8:55pm
  - MCōs
    
    Whales were hunted off Timaru by whitey and rendered down for oil
    
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    November 25, 2024 10:25pm
John Loveridge

So Kim Dotcom is going for the medical sympathy option now, having got to the bitter dead end of the legal avenue.
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November 25, 2024 9:11pm
Rintintin

I was in the last intake [27th] of CMT
Still in contact with guys I met there.
It would be to tough for many these days.
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