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CJames

It seems the farce of CoP29 is about to collapse with delegations walking out because “developing” nations aren’t going to get enough cash. The grift is failing? Of course, China and India want to beneficiaries, not donors. This shakedown is best described as money going from poor people in the West to rich people in poor countries. Be interesting to know how much money NZ has promised in the $250B offered.
And the trigger seems to be Donald Trump who hasn’t even become President yet. Another victory he can chalk up. If he keeps this up, history will come to regard him as one of the best US presidents ever.
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November 24, 2024 8:01am
- Matt Long
  
  Six more countries join the list endorsing a goal to triple Nuclear energy output by 2050 at CoP29. I don’t see New Zealand on the list…
  https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fworld-nuclear.org%2Fnews-and-media%2Fpress-statements%2Fsix-more-countries-endorse-the-declaration-to-triple-nuclear-energy-by-2050-at-cop29&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:23am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Nor Oz but that should change after the election next year.
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    NZ won’t be on that list in my lifetime or my Grandsons.
    We have too many shitheads here. Even Australia can’t get it off the ground. Must be all the Kiwis going there.
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:28am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Oh, I think the offer is up to $300bn now.
  We’re being told that all these billions are some kind of ‘reparations’, but really they’d just be taking our hard-earned taxes, and it’s tax that might otherwise have been put to good use in our own countries.
  So, we’re effectively being taxed more. Does that mean we will start to get a say in how these countries are run (no taxation without representstion)?
  This nonsense can’t come to an end fast enough for my liking.
  
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  November 24, 2024 9:13am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: The Blob is Mad as Hell
And they are going to have to take it

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-the-blob-is-mad-as?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 24, 2024 8:06am
Bridgenag

Weekly Round-up: Kissinger Speaks From the Grave
More MSM misinformation and #PsyWar

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/weekly-round-up-kissinger-speaks?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 24, 2024 8:07am
Benedict Yu

Well here is something that has slipped under the media radar. And mine TBH. 😕

Under the Paris Accord, New Zealand needs to reduce emissions by 50 percent of 2005 levels by 2030.

However there is a SECOND commitment period from 2031 to 2035. New Zealand needs to determine its second commitment by February 2025. Consultation commenced on 19 November and concludes on 9 December. Cabinet will take a decision in the first half of February.

Incredible. Two weeks consultation on something so momentus. Media interest nil.

https://consult.environment.govt.nz/climate/second-nationally-determined-contribution/
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November 24, 2024 8:10am
- Cassandra
  
  Media interest nil and public involvement even less! Since I’m paying how about asking for my opinion?
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:17am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Go to the link and give your feedback.
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:28am
    - Cassandra
      
      I’ve got to rely on BY to know about this? Strange way for a government to seek input, don’t you think?
      
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      November 24, 2024 8:32am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I only discovered it because I was looking for something on the MfE website and stumbled on it.
        
        Any coverage was drowned out by the Treaty Principles Bill drama.
        
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        November 24, 2024 8:44am
- CJames
  
  BY Thanks for the link.
  I just submitted saying we should not make any commitments and only do changes which are from efficiency gains or new processes like GE grass to reduce methane. Then any money which would have been spent is used to harden infrastructure. Better stopbanks, bridges, elevating roads etc.
  I have no doubt I will be put in evil denialist camp and disregarded, but at least I tried.
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:29am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Good on you for trying. I will certainly be replying. I wonder if they notified farmers.
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:59am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I heard an interview of Criag Stobo by Michael Laws the other day, and Craig said something along the lines that our current Climate Change Minister said something like it’s unlikely we’d be paying the billions owed under the Paris Agreement for failing to meet our targets, but maybe even more interesting was that this comment received no push-back from opposition parties. Craig opined that this might just be because they too realise we can’t afford those payments. I might see if I can find the interview – it’ll be on The Platform somewhere.
  I don’t know when/where the Minister was alleged to have made these comments.
  
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  November 24, 2024 9:21am
  - CJames
    
    Like the UK where the idiotic Labour Party which wants to raise 500M a year on death taxes for family farms and is giving the same amount of money to third world farmers as climate aid.
    
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    November 24, 2024 9:27am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Found it.
    Interview on The Platform between Michael Laws and Craig Stobo, titled
    “Craig Stobo on Donald Trump, Construction industry, interest rates”, 14 Nov, 24, just before the 25 minute mark.
    Craig says: “happily, the current minister for climate change has clearly said that he has doubts that we will want to pay that, so that’s now, I believe, going to be shelved, and surpisingly, from what I can tell, there’s no push-back from anywhere, which means that no-one wants to pay for this type of transition cost from NZ taxpayers, so it’sgreat he’s come out and said that”.
    Any transcription errors are mine.
    
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    November 24, 2024 10:12am
Cassandra

Downtoearthkiwi is Prof Rob McCulloch’s blog. His latest comment is worth a read – a question for Chris Luxon: Your current Deputy PM says that the Treaty has no principles and your next Deputy PM says that it has; what’s your position? It’s a very good question – National can’t dither on this forever. Does the ToW have principles and if so and what are they? And, importantly, what do they mean? For example, if one of them is Partnership (as Nicola Willis maintains) what, precisely, does that mean?
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November 24, 2024 8:12am
Matt Long

Nayib Bukele, the youngest ever President of El Salvadore didn’t get bogged down about how complicated crime is but actually solved it.
Meanwhile New Zealand continues to slide into more crime ridden and unsafe.
Nayib Bukele has Palestinian ancestry.
https://x.com/NimaYamini/status/1860038950204899694
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1860035789700395238
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November 24, 2024 8:14am
Benedict Yu

Funny game is 🏏 cricket.

After having been beaten 3-0 by New Zealand at home, India are on top of Australia in a very odd Test match in Perth.

Stumps
India vs Australia, 1st Test
India tour of Australia

IND 150 & 172/0 (57 ov)
AUS 104
Yashasvi Jaiswal* 90(193)
KL Rahul 62(153)
Marnus Labuschagne 0/2 (2.0 ov)
Day 2 – India lead by 218 runs.

Click here to view more @espncricinfo :https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-vs-india-2024-25-1426547/australia-vs-india-1st-test-1426555/live-cricket-score
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November 24, 2024 8:18am
- Matt Long
  
  340 million Indians participated in betting on cricket in 2018, with a turn over of $US130 billion.
  https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbctv18.com%2Fsports%2Faround-340-million-indians-participate-in-cricket-betting-200-million-wagered-on-each-odi-report-18114361.htm&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4
  With that kind of money involved you can expect some unusual results.
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:27am
- MCōs
  
  Australia has a problem whereby their top bowler was also their top batter and he’s not young anymore. So yesterday after batting for two hours hours he was running out of puff to send down the usual thunderbolts on a far less helpful pitch than the day before.
  
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  November 24, 2024 9:09am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hitler phones Trump.
Orange oracle of wisdom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrJ_X6nHvBQ
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November 24, 2024 8:23am
Matt Long

Musk Announces Plan To Buy MSNBC And Turn It Into A News Network
The Babylon Bee calls it first again.
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November 24, 2024 8:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All on Red, yesterday:
  
  How it started;
  “I love twitter”- Elon Musk 21/12/17
  “You should buy it then” Dave Smith 21/21/17
  “How much is it?” Elon Musk 21/12/17
  
  Where we are today;
  “Comcast is putting MSNBC up for sale. CNN just announced massive layoffs coming.”-Wall St Mav 11/12/24
  “Hey Elon Musk, I just had the funniest idea ever”-Donald Trump Jnr
  “How much does it cost?”- Elon Musk
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:45am
Matt Long

Angela Merkel is about to release an autobiography defending theany crises she created.
Was there a worse leader than Merkel of a major power on the 21st century?
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1860301628378681575
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November 24, 2024 8:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Merkel reminds me of someone.
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:48am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

States With Lower Taxes Are Thriving—And the Left Is Shocked.
NZ Labour Party could learn something here, but I doubt it.

https://rightsideoffers.com/redbloodedconservative/states-with-lower-taxes-are-thriving-and-the-left-is-shocked/?
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November 24, 2024 9:02am
Maggy Wassilieff

Aotearoa’s elite – fully exposed:

It is always astonishing just how dumb very smart people can be.

Graham Adams casts an eye over the beliefs of some of our KCs and “top” academics

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-seymour-s-opponents-need-better-arguments
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