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Yvette

Dirty Politics proposed by “Expert opinion from University of Otago – Ōtākou Whakaihu Waka”?

Chis Trotter: Crossing A Line
How the Labour Party can navigate an issue on which its supporters are evenly divided
Summarised –
Labour faces a major challenge over its opposition to the Treaty Principles Bill, which has highlighted divisions within its electoral base. While the recent Hīkoi mō te Tiriti, with 40,000–50,000 participants, reinforced Labour’s alignment with Māori nationalists and the Left, polling shows that one-third of its supporters favour the bill. This creates tension between Labour’s parliamentary caucus and its more conservative Pākehā voters, risking alienation of key segments of its base.

Labour’s current strategy hinges on the bill’s eventual defeat, hoping political normalcy will return. However, ACT is unlikely to let the issue fade, as it stands to gain from prolonging tensions, drawing support from National and NZ First voters dissatisfied with their parties’ stances. Meanwhile, NZ First’s coalition-backed proposal to remove Treaty principles from legislation will escalate the conflict, forcing Labour into prolonged opposition to the Right while competing with Te Pāti Māori and the Greens for Māori and progressive votes.

Critics argue Labour has strayed from its egalitarian roots, becoming disconnected from working-class voters. A potential path forward would involve reclaiming a vision that balances Treaty obligations with shared national values. Failure to address this tension could weaken Labour’s long-term ability to govern.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/chris-trotter-crossing-a-line

This may be why “Expert opinion from University of Otago – Ōtākou Whakaihu Waka” says –
Let’s not play into Seymour’s hands
The message against the coalition Treaty Principles Bill should be simple: the Treaty protects all New Zealanders from corporate exploitation

Seems to me a little like Dirty Politics
Rather than need not creed, Otago University “expert opinion” seems to suggest change ‘need’ to ‘greed’ –
It is “corporate greed”

As part of the messaging, we should make clear the ties that Seymour and his backers have to corporate interests, both domestic and international and their plans to appropriate and exploit natural and public resources for private enrichment. The message should be simple: The Treaty protects all New Zealanders from corporate exploitation. This bill is about the people (tangata whenua and tangata tiriti) vs corporate profits.
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/11/20/lets-not-play-into-seymours-hands-by-talk-of-racist-treaty-bill/

Yep, right! – if it looks like Dirty Politics, smells like Dirty Politics, then it may be Dis- or Mis-Information – but still just Dirty Politics
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November 24, 2024 8:01am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Be great if an msm journo asks Hipkins if he’s communicated with his party support base about the bill…
  
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  November 24, 2024 2:11pm
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Please make a submission in the treaty principals bill.
    I made 2 points.
    1. Colour blind Equal rights are vital and historically the most successful societal structure.
    2. Luxons stupid idea of addressing treaty issues as they crop up leaves the stage set for future Labour Party corruption of treaty principals such as using them as an excuse to enrich the Maori Queens family and hence themselves.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/make-a-submission/document/54SCJUST_SCF_227E6D0B-E632-42EB-CFFE-08DCFEB826C6/principles-of-the-treaty-of-waitangi-bill%20
    
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    November 24, 2024 3:16pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  No wonder Waititi’s terrified of the Tyranny of the Majority
  
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  November 24, 2024 2:15pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    In Waititi’s words, “he is not a fan of democracy”.
    
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    November 24, 2024 6:24pm
- CJames
  
  The “expert” opinion appears to be one lecturer in psychology. That isn’t much different to Joe Bloggs at Weymouth Tavern bar to his mates, is it?
  
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  November 24, 2024 4:42pm
  - Philview
    
    The difference being the political alignment of Otago University is clearly in line with the last Labour Government whereas the Weymouth Tavern is neutral.
    
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    November 24, 2024 6:12pm
CJames

It seems the farce of CoP29 is about to collapse with delegations walking out because “developing” nations aren’t going to get enough cash. The grift is failing? Of course, China and India want to beneficiaries, not donors. This shakedown is best described as money going from poor people in the West to rich people in poor countries. Be interesting to know how much money NZ has promised in the $250B offered.
And the trigger seems to be Donald Trump who hasn’t even become President yet. Another victory he can chalk up. If he keeps this up, history will come to regard him as one of the best US presidents ever.
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November 24, 2024 8:01am
- Inandout
  
  CJ, indeed the world is changing and Trump has not even been ordained. I think the most hilarious backtracking was the ‘Morning Joe’ show which decided to go to Mar-a-Lago to speak with Trump. Joe Scarborough has for many years been calling Trump a nazi, homophobe, racist and all the usual leftist crap.
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:12am
- Matt Long
  
  Six more countries join the list endorsing a goal to triple Nuclear energy output by 2050 at CoP29. I don’t see New Zealand on the list…
  https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fworld-nuclear.org%2Fnews-and-media%2Fpress-statements%2Fsix-more-countries-endorse-the-declaration-to-triple-nuclear-energy-by-2050-at-cop29&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:23am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Nor Oz but that should change after the election next year.
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:26am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nuclear for Australia – Will Shackel.
      
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      November 24, 2024 10:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    NZ won’t be on that list in my lifetime or my Grandsons.
    We have too many shitheads here. Even Australia can’t get it off the ground. Must be all the Kiwis going there.
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:28am
    - Conservatarian
      
      Yeah, but a left wing politician made a funny joke about nuclear 40 years ago at a once-revered foreign institution so the sheeple burned it into their brains that nuclear is bad.
      
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      November 24, 2024 12:24pm
      - Sir Henry Morgan
        
        It wasn’t even particularly funny.
        
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        November 24, 2024 3:36pm
      - waikatosinger
        
        Yep. The joke stank.
        
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        November 24, 2024 11:12pm
    - gravedodger
      
      Don’t know Steve, Poverty and that is where it will end, is a powerful driver for change.
      
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      November 25, 2024 9:50am
- imalwaysright
  
  Posted this late on a previous headline.
  The money the previous regime has committed on our behalf, and the current government continues to commit, is not only a drain on our economy, but it will definitely shorten our average lifespan.
  
  We and our children will die years before due because we won’t have enough money to spend on our health system.
  
  This is extremely serious and it should be the only measure we attatch to the Paris accord.
  
  The more money we give to the Paris Accord, the sooner we die.
  
  It is that simple, and it is that serious
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:26am
- AitchW
  
  Why, when we as a country are borrowing money to keep the lights on, are we throwing millions into corrupt third world countries with no accountability for the cash in order to stop global boiling?
  Ardern is gone, stop the charade!
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:55am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    What exactly makes you think there’s no accountability for the cash?
    
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    November 24, 2024 11:43am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/41-billion-world-bank-climate-finance-unaccounted-oxfam-finds
      
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      November 24, 2024 1:54pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Oh, I think the offer is up to $300bn now.
  We’re being told that all these billions are some kind of ‘reparations’, but really they’d just be taking our hard-earned taxes, and it’s tax that might otherwise have been put to good use in our own countries.
  So, we’re effectively being taxed more. Does that mean we will start to get a say in how these countries are run (no taxation without representstion)?
  This nonsense can’t come to an end fast enough for my liking.
  
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  November 24, 2024 9:13am
- rjay
  
  Don’t get too excited. Our negotiators can still grasp defeat from the jaws of victory
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/534653/rich-nations-raise-cop29-climate-finance-offer-in-bid-to-break-deadlock
  
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  November 24, 2024 9:16am
- Ra Henare
  
  The Rort is running out of steam.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPJV4fPZ_oc
  
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  November 24, 2024 4:33pm
Scott

On X from Winston Peters 3 days ago –

“The Ministry of Health has announced new rules that restrict the prescribing and use of puberty blockers.
Those new restrictions come into effect immediately.

The lack of any evidence about the safety and long term effects of puberty blockers on children has been gathering momentum around the world.

The Government has also released a consultation document that proposes even further restrictions on puberty blockers under the Medicines Act. This consultation will be complete in January.”

This is exactly the sort of thing many people have wanted to see for some time. I’m enjoying what’s happening in our country. This week alone, the govt has banned gang patches and restricted puberty blockers being used on children.

Great stuff and exactly what I and many others voted for! 😎
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November 24, 2024 8:02am
- Rodney Hide
  
  I would be very grateful if you could explain for me what the new restrictions are.
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:06pm
  - Jack5
    
    Don’t do it, Rodney! It’s a bit late now any way.🙃
    
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    November 24, 2024 2:08pm
  - jon
    
    Rodney, something different, re the hikoi and the Principles of the Treaty, excellent piece via Bassett, Brash and Hide, headed * A Hikoi vs a Country* by a Oliva Pierson, should be a must read for all Kiwis. Im unable to post it on here, are you able too? Cheers.
    
    [Mod.] https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/olivia-pierson-a-hikoi-versus-a-country
    
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    November 24, 2024 2:32pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Who is Oliva Pierson and what makes her OPINION so special?
      
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      November 24, 2024 4:48pm
      - Burtland
        
        https://www.oliviapierson.org/about.html
        
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        November 24, 2024 5:45pm
      - Jethrod
        
        At the time of writing this, 1835 , there is :-
        143 general debate OPINIONS,
        36 on Secret Lawyers…. OPINIONS
        97 on Newest Green MP….. OPINIONS.
        Probably 50 % or more are different to your opinions, but hopefully you learn something from each person.
        As we all know opinions are put out there to influence people.
        I read Olivia Piersons OPINION and found most of it true and well written
        
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        November 24, 2024 6:41pm
    - Burtland
      
      Kiwis are royally pissed at the constant ass-kissing. We want a New Zealand that’s united — not a country fractured along racial lines. Luxon should be advocating for the solid democratic principles that once built this country: equality before the law and a shared national identity, not this milquetoast compromising that does nothing but embolden the separatist nutters and their backward bollox of an agenda.
      
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      November 24, 2024 5:47pm
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: The Blob is Mad as Hell
And they are going to have to take it

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-the-blob-is-mad-as?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 24, 2024 8:06am
Bridgenag

Weekly Round-up: Kissinger Speaks From the Grave
More MSM misinformation and #PsyWar

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/weekly-round-up-kissinger-speaks?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 24, 2024 8:07am
Benedict Yu

Well here is something that has slipped under the media radar. And mine TBH. 😕

Under the Paris Accord, New Zealand needs to reduce emissions by 50 percent of 2005 levels by 2030.

However there is a SECOND commitment period from 2031 to 2035. New Zealand needs to determine its second commitment by February 2025. Consultation commenced on 19 November and concludes on 9 December. Cabinet will take a decision in the first half of February.

Incredible. Two weeks consultation on something so momentus. Media interest nil.

https://consult.environment.govt.nz/climate/second-nationally-determined-contribution/
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November 24, 2024 8:10am
- Cassandra
  
  Media interest nil and public involvement even less! Since I’m paying how about asking for my opinion?
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:17am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Go to the link and give your feedback.
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:28am
    - Cassandra
      
      I’ve got to rely on BY to know about this? Strange way for a government to seek input, don’t you think?
      
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      November 24, 2024 8:32am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I only discovered it because I was looking for something on the MfE website and stumbled on it.
        
        Any coverage was drowned out by the Treaty Principles Bill drama.
        
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        November 24, 2024 8:44am
  - kowtow
    
    The only person in the msm who seems be be onto this is HDPA.
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:59am
- CJames
  
  BY Thanks for the link.
  I just submitted saying we should not make any commitments and only do changes which are from efficiency gains or new processes like GE grass to reduce methane. Then any money which would have been spent is used to harden infrastructure. Better stopbanks, bridges, elevating roads etc.
  I have no doubt I will be put in evil denialist camp and disregarded, but at least I tried.
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:29am
  - Notsofast
    
    Being a denialist is not evil, it is misunderstanding the science, in which the path of global temperature increase precisely matches the predictions from the 1980s.
    It is a distraction from the real issue, which is whether New Zealand, has a moral responsibility to reduce our living standards in order to pursue a totally unachievable global goal.
    I honestly don’t know the answer.
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:57am
    - Ra Henare
      
      From everything I have read and seen(Interviews, Documentaries)
      
      I agree that climate is changing.
      So on that basis I am not a denier.
      
      However, I do take issue with the outrageous fearmongering claims that it is the end of the world as we know it and we should return to the Stone Age(ie cut carbon emissions, stop using historic energy sources)|.
      
      On that basis, I am a denier.
      
      Like racism, sexism, fascist etc. It seems Climate Change denier is just a label to attack anyone you don’t like (forgetting the actual meaning of the words themselves)
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPJV4fPZ_oc
      
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      November 24, 2024 4:55pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Good on you for trying. I will certainly be replying. I wonder if they notified farmers.
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:59am
  - pdm
    
    You and me together CJ.
    
    I recommended we, New Zealand, withdraw from the Paris Accord among other comments they will perceive as sins.
    
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    November 24, 2024 12:52pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The story goes like this; Apparently the woke/green/Marxist international blob will then boycott NZ. So telling the UN IPCC to take a hike is too scary.
      
      This is very much like the situation of 70% of CEOs hating DEI/ESG bullshit but going along with it to keep their careers and stop their companies facing undue harassment from activist lawfare.
      
      How about first NZ does some detective work and discovers which countries are only going along with the climate clown show due to fear of being boycotted? Then if possible form trade alliances with them while cutting the UN clown-bullies loose.
      
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      November 25, 2024 7:16pm
- Paulus
  
  Easy, pull outo this stupid Paris Agreement, then we can do something useful with the money to the benefit of New Zealand.
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:37am
  - Debsta
    
    Indeed Paulus. I submitted with just one simple answer…
    “I recommended we, New Zealand, follow the evidence, withdraw from the Paris Accord, and apply funds to genuine local best practice and infrastructure.”
    
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    November 24, 2024 2:24pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I heard an interview of Criag Stobo by Michael Laws the other day, and Craig said something along the lines that our current Climate Change Minister said something like it’s unlikely we’d be paying the billions owed under the Paris Agreement for failing to meet our targets, but maybe even more interesting was that this comment received no push-back from opposition parties. Craig opined that this might just be because they too realise we can’t afford those payments. I might see if I can find the interview – it’ll be on The Platform somewhere.
  I don’t know when/where the Minister was alleged to have made these comments.
  
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  November 24, 2024 9:21am
  - CJames
    
    Like the UK where the idiotic Labour Party which wants to raise 500M a year on death taxes for family farms and is giving the same amount of money to third world farmers as climate aid.
    
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    November 24, 2024 9:27am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Found it.
    Interview on The Platform between Michael Laws and Craig Stobo, titled
    “Craig Stobo on Donald Trump, Construction industry, interest rates”, 14 Nov, 24, just before the 25 minute mark.
    Craig says: “happily, the current minister for climate change has clearly said that he has doubts that we will want to pay that, so that’s now, I believe, going to be shelved, and surpisingly, from what I can tell, there’s no push-back from anywhere, which means that no-one wants to pay for this type of transition cost from NZ taxpayers, so it’sgreat he’s come out and said that”.
    Any transcription errors are mine.
    
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    November 24, 2024 10:12am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      So he is saying that we will not meet our 2030 commitments. Yet he is consulting on our 2035 commitments? What a 🎪 🤹‍♂️ circus.
      
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      November 24, 2024 2:07pm
    - Burtland
      
      pulling out of Paris will be hard
      – its been written into free trade deals with the UK and EU
      
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      November 24, 2024 4:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Opened 19 Nov 2024. Closes 8 Dec 2024. 20 days.
  That’s a bit dodgy isn’t it? I wonder if Minister Penny Simmonds even knows about it?
  
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  November 24, 2024 10:45am
- PurplePen
  
  Off topic, but “Cabinet will take a decision in the first half of February”.
  
  I’ve always said ‘I’ll make a decision..’. Where did the expression ‘take a decision’ come from. I noticed the coalition 3 month target sheet uses ‘take a decision’. You could just say ‘Decision on puberty blockers’ for example instead of ‘Take a decision on ..’. It’s just as annoying as the ‘We’ll reach out to our sponsors ‘ when ‘We’ll contact our sponsors ‘ is efficient and means the same thing. Can’t stand it. I need a gin.
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:05pm
Cassandra

Downtoearthkiwi is Prof Rob McCulloch’s blog. His latest comment is worth a read – a question for Chris Luxon: Your current Deputy PM says that the Treaty has no principles and your next Deputy PM says that it has; what’s your position? It’s a very good question – National can’t dither on this forever. Does the ToW have principles and if so and what are they? And, importantly, what do they mean? For example, if one of them is Partnership (as Nicola Willis maintains) what, precisely, does that mean?
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November 24, 2024 8:12am
- kevn
  
  Roberts latest.. https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/does-comcom-hate-the-private-sector-it-lays-criminal-charges-on-onenz-but-not-on-otago-university
  
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  November 24, 2024 10:35am
- PurplePen
  
  There’s about 13 principles that the courts and Waitangi Tribunal have come up with so far. If Luxon says there are no principles, present him with the list that the above have already determined.
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:07pm
- JackRabbit
  
  In my view Winston is correct.
  
  There are three articles.
  
  In the Treaty, the generic underlying principle is that “Maori ceded Sovereignty and everyone is now equal under the law.”
  
  To be frank, Seymour’s bill introduces a quagmire of exceptions because of its link to the 1975 Treaty of Waitangi Act, which allows his principles to be held ransom and reversed engineered and modified by that Act, either now or in the future. It is adding conditions with unintended consequences.
  
  Everyone needs to get over themselves and abide by the three articles of the Treaty. Which does not suit the the activists who intend to create mayhem and take control of New Zealand.
  
  Redefining the Treaty is arrogant. We don’t have a time machine with which we can go back and talk to everyone present. We do have written records however, although these are being shredded and redacted on an ongoing basis.
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:24pm
- Damocles11
  
  Did you miss Luxon saying in Parliament the Principles exist and are Partnership, Participation, and Protection?
  
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  November 24, 2024 2:50pm
Matt Long

Nayib Bukele, the youngest ever President of El Salvadore didn’t get bogged down about how complicated crime is but actually solved it.
Meanwhile New Zealand continues to slide into more crime ridden and unsafe.
Nayib Bukele has Palestinian ancestry.
https://x.com/NimaYamini/status/1860038950204899694
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1860035789700395238
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November 24, 2024 8:14am
Benedict Yu

Funny game is 🏏 cricket.

After having been beaten 3-0 by New Zealand at home, India are on top of Australia in a very odd Test match in Perth.

Stumps
India vs Australia, 1st Test
India tour of Australia

IND 150 & 172/0 (57 ov)
AUS 104
Yashasvi Jaiswal* 90(193)
KL Rahul 62(153)
Marnus Labuschagne 0/2 (2.0 ov)
Day 2 – India lead by 218 runs.

Click here to view more @espncricinfo :https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-vs-india-2024-25-1426547/australia-vs-india-1st-test-1426555/live-cricket-score
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November 24, 2024 8:18am
- Matt Long
  
  340 million Indians participated in betting on cricket in 2018, with a turn over of $US130 billion.
  https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbctv18.com%2Fsports%2Faround-340-million-indians-participate-in-cricket-betting-200-million-wagered-on-each-odi-report-18114361.htm&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4
  With that kind of money involved you can expect some unusual results.
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:27am
  - Paulus
    
    Indian cricket has nothing to do with money,
    Yea !
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:39am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    So what exactly are you insinuating 😄? The Indians have been bribed to play out of their skins? I think the Indians have just got lucky this time – the Aussie bowlers have beaten the bat a lot without finding the edge. Plus maybe the current Aussie team lacks that in-yer-face attitude we’ve come to expect. But also let’s remember it ain’t over till it’s over.
    
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    November 24, 2024 9:12am
    - pdm
      
      Runs on the board Pope, runs on the board.
      
      If the Indians can bat all day to day they should have a lead of 450 plus and two days to bowl the Aussies out for the win.
      
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      November 24, 2024 12:55pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You really think that there is large scale corruption and match fixing in Test cricket? That India threw all three test matches against New Zealand?
    
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    November 24, 2024 10:28am
    - AitchW
      
      The fact that there are millions wagered on every game opens the sport up to accusations of corruption.
      I have no reason to believe that India threw the tests.
      However every time an easy catch is dropped, every time a batsman is bowled without offering a shot to an easy ball, every time a team suffers a batting collapse on a benign wicket, there is that niggling doubt.
      
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      November 24, 2024 11:19am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Indian test cricketers would have to be exceptionally stupid to get involved in fixing. They have much less motivation to do so than (say) Pakistani cricketers, who aren’t nearly as well paid as the Indians.
        
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        November 24, 2024 11:56am
    - Matt Long
      
      Motive, a culture of corruption, and very unusual results doesn’t prove a crime was committed.
      
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      November 24, 2024 11:20am
  - MCōs
    
    The problems associated with fixing a test match are obvious. Most of the team has to be in on the fix and the more people involved the the greater the likelihood someone will spill the beans.
    Not reporting an approach by a bookie is almost as serious as taking their money
    Indian cricketers make huge money from the game without needed to risk their career. It’s lower level players we take their chances
    
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    November 24, 2024 12:01pm
- Anthony Melchett
  
  What’s more amazing is the tram nz knocked over is stronger than the one playing this test!
  
  While I like to get on the bandwagon re manipulation of betting odds etc, India were knocked over in the first innings before a session of individual brilliance by bumrah turned it back in their favour.
  
  Don’t underestimate the effect of starc and Hazelwood batting for an hour had on their impact with the ball too.
  
  Sure makes for good viewing, although marnus bowling seam up is a slight on the history of the game. He should be focusing on batting given his current form!
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:37am
  - pdm
    
    You sure are right about Labuschagne – he could not get the ball off the square and should have been caught by Kohli in the first 10 minutes of his innings.
    
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    November 24, 2024 12:59pm
- MCōs
  
  Australia has a problem whereby their top bowler was also their top batter and he’s not young anymore. So yesterday after batting for two hours hours he was running out of puff to send down the usual thunderbolts on a far less helpful pitch than the day before.
  
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  November 24, 2024 9:09am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Starc isn’t Aus’s top bowler. He’s not a patch on Cummins and Hazlewood. Starc should have been at least their equal. Seriously quick when younger, could swing it prodigiously (at speed) and had heinous bounce. And yet, hasn’t made it into the top echelon.
    
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    November 24, 2024 9:48am
Yvette

A koan is a paradoxical statement, question, story, or dialogue used in Zen Buddhism as a meditation tool to help practitioners achieve enlightenment. The word koān comes from Japanese and means “public matter for thought”.

Does the hikoi “against ACT’s bill”, prove the need for ACT’s bill?

Okay – maybe not anything like a loan, but still perhaps a “public matter for thought”
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November 24, 2024 8:19am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hitler phones Trump.
Orange oracle of wisdom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrJ_X6nHvBQ
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November 24, 2024 8:23am
- Yvette
  
  and Hitler’s earlier conversation –
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3A-ubUIX6s
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A cracker. Love the half confused look on his face.
    
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    November 24, 2024 3:18pm
Matt Long

Musk Announces Plan To Buy MSNBC And Turn It Into A News Network
The Babylon Bee calls it first again.
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November 24, 2024 8:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All on Red, yesterday:
  
  How it started;
  “I love twitter”- Elon Musk 21/12/17
  “You should buy it then” Dave Smith 21/21/17
  “How much is it?” Elon Musk 21/12/17
  
  Where we are today;
  “Comcast is putting MSNBC up for sale. CNN just announced massive layoffs coming.”-Wall St Mav 11/12/24
  “Hey Elon Musk, I just had the funniest idea ever”-Donald Trump Jnr
  “How much does it cost?”- Elon Musk
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:45am
  - Colville
    
    Anything more than $1 would be generous.
    
    All the staff will need to go!
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:58am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Starting with Joy Reid. Her latest idea (along with guest, author Christina Greer) is that racism against former President Barack Obama was in part to blame for the Trump win.
      
      She just..
      Can’t.
      Let.
      Go.
      
      And I’m here for it.
      
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      November 24, 2024 6:28pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Oh dear. Matt.
  
  A joke has been churned in to fact by numerous MSM as well as social media.
  
  MUSK is not buying MSBC.!!!!!!!!!!
  
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  November 24, 2024 5:09pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Ummm, yeah, the Babylon Bee is Satire, and I think what some readers would appreciate is that MSNBC purports to be a news network, and the Bee’s joke is that Musk will turn it into an actual news network.
    Who knows Musk might even buy Twitter one day, stranger things have happened.
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:42pm
- carlsbad apple
  
  I love that Christian satire.
  
  “He’s already got Joe Rogan and Michael Knowles fighting over who gets to take Rachel Maddow’s place,..”
  
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  November 24, 2024 6:34pm
Matt Long

Angela Merkel is about to release an autobiography defending theany crises she created.
Was there a worse leader than Merkel of a major power on the 21st century?
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1860301628378681575
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November 24, 2024 8:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Merkel reminds me of someone.
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:48am
  - nathie
    
    Do you mean that someone who was anointed as a Saint by divine MSM intervention? 😉
    
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    November 24, 2024 9:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Warm.
      
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      November 24, 2024 3:20pm
  - mandk
    
    Ardern’s auntie?
    
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    November 24, 2024 11:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      🙂
      
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      November 24, 2024 3:21pm
      - nathie
        
        Ahah so we can claim one plus a second, fumbling disciple?!! 🙁
        
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        November 24, 2024 5:56pm
- Simon
  
  Merkel was just following orders from GAE.
  
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  November 24, 2024 9:19am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Not correct, she is part of WEF – the unholy alliance of global socialists and global corporations – as are Ardern, Macron, Trudeau, Gates. They are vehemently trying to destruct the GAE to build back better and create less barriers to the spread of their empire.
    
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    November 24, 2024 1:58pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Sadly many Germans will lap it up. All she has to do is state she was “fighting fascism” and that’s all they need (because of their WW2 history).
  
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  November 25, 2024 7:19pm
Gertie

The Department of Conservation, Ospri and the Waikato Regional Council are gearing up for one of New Zealands biggest aerial poisoning jobs ever in the Pureora range of the Central Plateau. At this time, hinds are fawning and starving bambis will be left to wander the bush and starve a slow miserable death.
If indeed the hinds possums and ratsactually eat the bait. ..We are staring down the barrel of possibly a huge waste of funds.
To poison now while the forest is full of tucker makes no sense whatsoever.
The bureaucrats are insane. If they eat the bait fawns will die a slow death. Mum a horrific death. And make no mistake they want the deer to die. If the animals dont which is very likely…they just threw hundreds of thousands…probably millions out of several helicopters…confetti in the wind
I hate 1080 but could they not leave it til winter when it works and the bush hawk and morepork aren’t flat out catching rodents and feeding young.
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November 24, 2024 8:48am
- pdm
  
  Not to mention threat to farmers dogs.
  
  Son in law manages an approx 9,000 acre farm that bounders Pureora.
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:02pm
  - Gertie
    
    The helicopter is dispersing prefeed bait on our boundary as I type. They have been at it for 40 years now. There seems to be the same number of possums out there as when they started 40 years ago. The bureaucrats are making a fortune out of failure. Pity the poor animals. What a way to go
    
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    November 24, 2024 1:10pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      How a bout a solution for teh great hunters.
      
      Maori want to do things the Maori way. 🙂
      Give them a bunch of modern day muskets and get them to go bush and clean out the foreign invaders (Deer, Possum)
      
      Unity!!! clear out the foreigners.
      
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      November 24, 2024 5:12pm
  - Haast
    
    Keep your dogs out of the poisoned area, follow the directions. Only careless owners lose their dogs.
    
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    November 24, 2024 8:54pm
    - Gertie
      
      Rubbish. We had an aerial drop in 1996. The A hole in charge decided not to alert us to the 1080 on our boundary. We had 3 dogs die. The A hole lost his job. Unfortunately the pest industry is full of the useless and less than useless. We have to put up with these idiots year in and year out. Despite doing our own pest control.
      
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      November 25, 2024 3:10pm
- Ian Boag
  
  If they eat the bait fawns will die a slow death. Mum a horrific death. And make no mistake they want the deer to die.
  
  Yes. Your alternative is to spare the deer because they are cute? Better to leave them there to be gut shot by hunters and die slowly? Deer are a bit hard on the forest …
  
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  November 24, 2024 7:57pm
  - Gertie
    
    Cute? Blimmin nora. Its a living baby. To be left to starve. I guess that means nought to some. With a lifetime spent rearing calves its a bit too close to the calving season just done to not think about those little fellas just left to die.
    Yes the odd hunter shoots a milking hind. This is full on 85000 hectares of forest being poisoned.
    Lastly, moa ate leaves. The moa are gone. Now we have deer do it. Big deal
    
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    November 25, 2024 3:17pm
- Haast
  
  Aerial 1080 is a well proven and widely used way of conrolling a number of pest, mainly possums, rats, stoats and feral cats in large areas of the bush. Supported by conservationists, farmers and governments. Farmers are thankful it has helped to get rid of the nasty and expensive stock disease bovineTB from the West Taupo and King Country. Good stuff.
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:53pm
  - Gertie
    
    From this farmer…I am sick and tired of the blurb you just spouted. After 40 years of poisoning 1080 has failed. The numbers of pests hasnt changed and TB is back. Just check out the area east of Taupo. Full of it. Ospri failed.
    
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    November 25, 2024 3:19pm
Taieri

Was there a worse leader than Merkel of a major power on the 21st century?
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A few just to start with:
Joe Biden
Boris Johnson
Keir Starmer
Vladimir Putin
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November 24, 2024 8:49am
- MCōs
  
  First one must decide which are the major powers and then depending on your point of view their various leaders can be added either to a list of worst or best leaders
  People like Putin and Xi Jinping may be loathed abroad and loved at home, in general.
  
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  November 24, 2024 12:39pm
  - Taieri
    
    It’s not about them being loved or not loved. It’s about the effects of their activities.
    
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    November 24, 2024 12:41pm
Yvette

Kiwiblog Chase – gifted name: Kiwiblog Kiamanga
or the Shane Jones | Hyde Parked Corner

As an experiment, a little like when Penny Bright, Johnboy, Philu and others advocated kiwiblog host David Farrar institute such a thing as a General Debate, I would like to see a standing column set up on Kiwiblog that asked pertinent serious questions which journalists don’t, with some sort of voting system that tips a question to enter the column, with perhaps 50 upticks triggering acceptance, and ongoing upticks distinguishing the top twenty, with lowest scorer dropping off as better come through.

And there they could be: for people to ponder, politicians to reference, and as a challenge to turkey or chicken journalists seeking to fly with the eagles, to Infinity and Beyond: like the big-time status of Brian Edwards – 70s, 80s investigative interviewer/journalist for those born since then – and with no journalist really equaling his performance since then.

Some humble examples to start –
1 – What gives the Government the right to govern, with or without the Treaty.
2 – Do all legal New Zealanders have equal responsibilities and rights?
3 – Should the New Zealand Government actually be secular?
4 – Does the massive hikoi “against ACT’s bill”, prove the massive need for ACT’s bill? – yes, already used this morning, and –
5 – Chris Luxon, your current Deputy PM says that the Treaty has no principles and your next Deputy PM says that it has, what’s your position? [posted by Cassandra, this morning]
6 – After everyperson buys an EV, and AI makes its powerful demands (Data centers in the U.S. could consume as much electricity by 2030 as some entire industrialized economies, and the power demand from data centers is expected to soar just as a growing number of coal plants are retired as part of the transition away from fossil fuels) and if the last person out of Te Waipounamu does switch the lights off, what are politicians going to decide to prevent the rest of New Zealand being plunged into darkness?
___________
Nominated target persons: questions 1 – 4 : Christopher Luxon, Chris Hipkins, Rawiri Waititi, Brian Tamiki, Dame Alcyion Cynthia Kiro, Dame Helen Diana Winkelmann, Willie Jackson, Tukoroirangi Morgan and the Waikato River; 5: Chris Luxon, obviously; and 6: anyone with an answer

■ Uptick yes, establish it | downtick: no, bloody forget it
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November 24, 2024 8:52am
- pdm
  
  5. Luxon said in QT a week or so ago that the Treaty has Principles and in a follow up said there were many including Partnership and Protection.
  
  A few weeks before that, again in QT, he confirmed his view was that Maori ceded Sovereignty.
  
  Two totally incompatible positions in my view.
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:06pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    It would depend in who is yanking his chain on the day.
    
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    November 24, 2024 1:27pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  6a – When the load shedding begins, who gets priority service? Businesses, households, or data centers?
  6b – Where will the reliable generation come from when the gas runs out (~8 years left, apparently)?
  7) What are we doing to foster an environment where education is valued higher (by kids and their parents) than the idea that somebody else owes me a living?
  
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  November 24, 2024 2:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  5. What’s your position?
  
  ‘Well Winston said blah blah blah blah many times over.’
  ‘But your position?
  “Well Seymour said blah blah blah blah many times over.’
  OK, but what is your position?’
  ‘Well I just told you twice!’
  
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  November 24, 2024 3:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

States With Lower Taxes Are Thriving—And the Left Is Shocked.
NZ Labour Party could learn something here, but I doubt it.

https://rightsideoffers.com/redbloodedconservative/states-with-lower-taxes-are-thriving-and-the-left-is-shocked/?
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November 24, 2024 9:02am
Tom Barker

Ever noticed that the sections of US society that most vigorously defend their personal freedoms are the sections that most vigorously defended the institution of slavery?
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November 24, 2024 9:09am
- Don Beckett
  
  Oh – you mean the Democrats ? they were the slavers & pro slavery, and they populated the KKK.
  Well spotted Tom. //
  
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  November 24, 2024 12:09pm
  - MCōs
    
    That’s been beaten to death and nobody will argue with you
    
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    November 24, 2024 12:55pm
  - carlsbad apple
    
    Which just shows that the Democrats have advanced, the Republicans have regressed.
    
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    November 24, 2024 2:29pm
- Matt Long
  
  No, the complete opposite actually.
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:41pm
Keith White

“Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age. And have been for six months. This may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it’s correct, based on weekly data from the British government.”

Reality is that thing that when you ignore it, doesn’t go away…
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November 24, 2024 9:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  You have used quotation marks, but fail to provide a source.
  
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  November 24, 2024 11:44am
  - Yvette
    
    The portion in quotes does not seem to actually appear on the Internet.
    ______________
    
    Fact Check: UK data does not show COVID-19 vaccination increases chance of death from virus
    By Reuters Fact Check
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_24_november_2024.html/comment-page-1#comment-3648592
    
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    November 24, 2024 12:35pm
  - Yvette
    
    Reuters link –
    https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/uk-data-does-not-show-covid-19-vaccination-increases-chance-of-death-from-virus-idUSL2N2VK15E/
    the other just goes in circles
    
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    November 24, 2024 12:47pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Come on BY So much stuff posted here and you still want to support the Pharma companies FFS
    
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    November 24, 2024 1:10pm
    - CJames
      
      No – I just think he wants to know where it came from and what their expertise is.
      
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      November 24, 2024 4:50pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      BY has an OPINION. Good on him for trying to justify it.
      
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      November 24, 2024 5:16pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Bene
    
    You always ask for links.
    
    Why should everyone / anyone provide links for you just so you can say “Oh that has been debunked” and then provide no rationale or logic to substantiate the “debunking”.
    
    Trying doing so objective research. There is so much verified data out there, it is impossible to NOT find it.
    
    People are dying or injured. Thousands in NZ.
    
    So unless you are an A.I.. or a blog bot, and therefore not human, it should be of concern to you.
    
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    November 24, 2024 1:33pm
- carlsbad apple
  
  That was according to Alex Berenson who was banned from twitter for spreading COVID-19 misinformation.
  
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  November 24, 2024 2:33pm
Nookin

I am struggling to identify the Orblax midfield strategy. Given that our current No. 13 is singularly the most one dimensional player that I can remember, the only conclusion is that the selectors think that he will bore the opposing team to sleep.
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November 24, 2024 9:50am
- pdm
  
  Nookin – hard to recall a more incompetent and out of his depth center in my almost 70 years of following All Black rugby.
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:08pm
rouppe

Stuff reports that gangs are transporting drugs around the country by air by flying between regional destinations, thereby bypassing screening.

I hope we don’t end up having security screening for regional trips. It’s bad enough as it is.

In any case, if I were a gang boss, I’d invest $25k in a member getting a ppl and just fly the stuff myself.
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November 24, 2024 9:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

Aotearoa’s elite – fully exposed:

It is always astonishing just how dumb very smart people can be.

Graham Adams casts an eye over the beliefs of some of our KCs and “top” academics

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-seymour-s-opponents-need-better-arguments
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November 24, 2024 10:15am
- Yvette
  
  Graham Adams –
  
  No doubt the KCs thought that revealing their thoughts the day before the bill was debated in Parliament would ensure their missive had maximum effect. In fact, the eminent lawyers threw a door wide open for Act’s leader to saunter through — and he did. Seymour has long cast his bill as the chance to “democratise” discussion of the Treaty and they gave him an excellent opportunity to reinforce that message.
  
  “These guys oppose the Treaty Principles Bill because it gives everyone a say, even if you’re not a King’s Counsel,” Seymour said. “Until now, unelected judges, lawyers and public servants have decided what the Treaty means. That’s how we’ve ended up with divisive policies focused on ancestry.
  
  Indeed, in a NYPD SVU court case context, it would interesting to see any KC defend, say, Willie Jackson for grievious abuse of the Treaty, against David Seymour playing Raúl Esparza’s Rafael Barba
  
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  November 24, 2024 11:10am
- newview
  
  Good spotting Maggy. Graham Adams has shone a light on just how weak the arguments against the Bill are. I personally have had little respect for the Judiciary in NZ for a long time and this group and their open letter have done nothing to change that. The fact that they are arrogant enough to question their masters, Parliament, shows they would have little respect or patience for any opinion the public they are paid to serve, might have.
  
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  November 24, 2024 11:44am
- cmm
  
  I notice this in industry too.
  
  I work with a bunch of very successful engineers and business people who have been hard-nosed profit and success oriented people their whole career.
  
  Then they get to their twilight years and into a pre-retirement phase. Many of them turn into wokesters.
  
  Maybe it is some fantasy about regaining their youth? I really can’t say.
  
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  November 24, 2024 4:52pm
  - Taieri
    
    Funny that. I’m exactly opposite. May be not so much “woke” in my youth (the term was unknown then) but quite “progressive” in many ways. I’m far more conservative now that I’ve reached my twilight years.
    
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    November 24, 2024 7:12pm
Yvette

Hon Shane Jones (Minister for Oceans and Fisheries):
I heard some of the speeches at the hīkoi yesterday. They were definitely a non-climax. They were not befitting for such an occasion and they offered no hope, they offered no integration, and they certainly offered no sense of direction.
Of course, New Zealand First will be condemning the Waitangi Tribunal to a haircut. We are sick and tired of what’s been spilling out of those reports which is driving New Zealanders apart but, more importantly, is not rooted in historical fact.

Secondly, we most certainly will be proceeding. We will be proceeding to prune unnecessary references to the Treaty of Waitangi from the statutory foliage—sloppy references to the Treaty—to give focus, meaning, and confidence, because without investment, without growth, without jobs, without confidence, we are going to go continually down on a slippery slope where there is very little opportunity for the growth of our people in the future.

Now, I don’t want to speak ill of the individuals who took time off work, pulled their kids out of school, marched throughout the huarahi, the roads to come to the head of the fish. But know this from me, a child that is not educated, not well-adjusted, is a child condemned to a very miserable existence. Stop believing that numeracy, literacy, and a robust understanding of our broad history is inferior to a day of a hīkoi. Of course people can under enjoy their democratic rights, but those rights must be observed in the context of obligations. The coin of reciprocity has duty on one side and rights on the other. Māori leadership, it’s all very good to celebrate rights but teach our children, teach yourselves that obligations and an ethic of service outstrips rights. It is time that service was emphasised and the words of dissention were sent to Coventry.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20241120_20241120

Why does Luxon support New Zealand First pruning things, but opposes ACT doing the same? Both are to allow some “new growth”
(merde! – that’s deep)
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November 24, 2024 10:26am
Quail

The All Blacks sitting behind the Maori party flag after their win against Italy.
Where was the NewZealand flag?

Racial division is ramping up!
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November 24, 2024 11:24am
- lifesgood
  
  Robertson needs to have a word.
  
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  November 24, 2024 11:47am
- kingerstinger
  
  Much like the Hurricanes women protesting the new Government (and didn’t that die a death), they should have focused on not playing like shit instead of playing politics.
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:05pm
- kowtow
  
  Any image or links?
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:11pm
  - Quail
    
    Post game on the original telecast.
    Sorry I can’t supply the link.
    Suffice it to say I turned the TV off immediately
    
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    November 24, 2024 1:43pm
    - Jack5
      
      Sure it wasn’t All Blacks supporters behind a flag, Quail?
      
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      November 24, 2024 2:25pm
      - Quail
        
        Jack5 no ,I could not identify any specific players, but there was certainly a number of persons dressed as All Blacks behind the Maori Flag.I certainly did not study the clip , in fact turned away or TV off.
        The worrying thing is the damage this could do to NZ international reputation, to other sports and even international investment.
        
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        November 24, 2024 6:22pm
      - Jack5
        
        [Good Lord, what is the connection between Perenara and Smith! They are not the same person. mod.]
        
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        November 24, 2024 9:09pm
      - Jack5
        
        Moderator, you are right! My mistake. Thank you for picking it up!
        
        Perenera took Smith’s place!
        
        My apologies!
        
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        November 24, 2024 9:27pm
    - kowtow
      
      ty
      
      My rugby correspondent informs me the dance included the words taken from the recent Maori party demonstration about the treaty .
      
      If so this is exceptionally poor judgement .
      
      If true will be interesting to see what if any commentary there is.
      
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      November 24, 2024 4:45pm
      - Burtland
        
        Perenara changed the haka words to …
        
        “Toitū te mana o te whenua, toitū te mana motuhake, toitū te tiriti o Waitangi” translates as “the sovereignty of the land remains, the sovereignty of the people remains, the Treaty of Waitangi remains”
        
        according to Robertson “it’s his right to say that – he said it’s a sign of unity” more like a statement of division
        
        perenara is our next jenny-may
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/534675/tj-perenara-shows-support-for-hikoi-during-haka
        
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        November 24, 2024 9:42pm
- pdm
  
  Quail I did not notice that but, Stuff says there was reference to the Treaty in the Haka.
  
  Razor Robertson has gone down in my estimation if he is condoning this.
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:12pm
  - Nookin
    
    I did not hear “treaty” but “Waitangi” was certainly mentioned.
    
    I wonder if TJ might shed some light about the haka and the flag?
    
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    November 24, 2024 1:54pm
    - AitchW
      
      Strange how he waited till his last game before exposing his political leanings. Can’t risk losing all those colonist dollars after all.
      This ain’t going to play out well for the ABs down the local rugby club…..
      
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      November 24, 2024 6:14pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Probably a better idea to use a game you could be proud to have played as a demonstration of your supposed superiority rather than a game that the Kokatahi Senior men’s team could have won. Sorry Kokatahi.
    
    Bye AB’s it’s been great to have seen you at your peak over recent times, but now that a bunch of knuckled headed rugby players feel like lecturing me they can take a hike. It’s a shame that Robertsons reign is going to collide with the full On politicisation of the team.
    
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    November 24, 2024 3:35pm
    - AitchW
      
      I’ve always said that it’s only a game.
      Until they stop presuming to adopt a political stance it’s a game I won’t watch. To be honest I won’t miss it.
      
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      November 24, 2024 9:23pm
- cas
  
  I deliberately didn’t watch the haka but all I will say about the All Blacks is that 1) they haven’t been fluid all year and 2) they should get some better elastic in their shorts.
  
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  November 24, 2024 2:46pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Reminds me of the NFL idiots taking a knee to support Black Lives Matter.
  
  A political self-serving movement generated when a Guy died in Police custody.
  
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  November 24, 2024 5:22pm
- MCōs
  
  ThisStuff article has a screenshot of a number of ABs standing behind a Māori flag, which is entirely different to the Māori Party flag.
  For those who think politics and rugby shouldn’t mix, well bad luck. Rugby has been politicized for a hundred years ever since the first NZ team team toured South Africa sans Māori
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350321622/todays-news-chat-vote-quiz-and-share-your-views
  
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  November 24, 2024 5:34pm
- bennerg
  
  There are positions or roles in society where you are required to keep your political affiliations to yourself. eg. a police officer, a judge, a headmaster, and a coach and player in the All Blacks.
  
  Any player who does not recognize the privilege they have playing for our national team is either stupid or misinformed.
  
  This can now only go one way. If the platform of the All Blacks is too be cheapened by becoming a political tool then I for one am switching off.
  
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  November 24, 2024 6:25pm
lifesgood

Saw an artcle about David Lomas on line. I’ve always enjoyed his programmes despite his weird ponderous way of talking BUT he loves the Greens and Chloe Swabrick and dislikes David Seymour. He’s lost me now.
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November 24, 2024 11:46am
- k1w1
  
  Oh he outed himself as a luvvie’s luvvie in that one.
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:53pm
- kevn
  
  life… But, but he lives in Ponsonby and has a lady on ‘The Shore’ so must feel compelled to respond in this way.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-great-new-zealand-road-trip-nine-questions-with-david-lomas/2YWC3WV4RBH33JBFA6O7L77I5U/
  I always thought he came over as grounded.
  Wrong.
  
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  November 24, 2024 2:57pm
I remember when

Chronic Brain Trauma Is Extensive in Navy’s Elite Speedboat Crews: NY Times.
“A Defense Department neurologist who analysed samples of Mr Norrell’s brain wrote the his C.T.E. probably came from years of impact with waves.
The neurologist alerted the Navy that other sailors in the Special Boats Teams might face the same risks.
As if to underline the point, six weeks after Mr. Norrell death, another boat team member in the grip of paranoid delusions, Travis Carter, 33, died by suicide a few miles away.
Seeking an edge in combat, the Navy created boats so powerful that riding them can destroy sailors brains, several former senior members of the Special Boat Teams said.”
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November 24, 2024 12:18pm
kingerstinger

David Lomas says David Seymour is the New Zealander he’s most fearful of. Politely, what a fucking idiot.
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November 24, 2024 1:07pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  This ‘free speech’ thing is a wonderful idea! It really helps to inform me who the idiots are!
  
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  November 24, 2024 1:58pm
- kowtow
  
  He’s also a rank hypocrite but at least he seems aware of it.
  
  Hates the wealthy but wants to travel to Europe to do the rich tourist thing .
  
  BTW that article was right next to one about some woman creating “food sovereingty” and all manner of Maori stuff .
  
  Hunting for venison , mutton and beef. ( irony alert)
  
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  November 24, 2024 4:42pm
- NoFax
  
  Never heard of this David Lomas – but I haven’t watched TV in 15 years and gave up the activist cosplayers years ago too. I suggest you do the same.
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:37pm
Jack5

Radio NZ and hikoi-ists ~~taonga-ize~~ iconize red beret

But it’s already an icon of international airborne soldiers!

The NZ mob should consider a pink beret.

At the Red Radio web site:

Dr Bobby Luke Campbell, a senior fashion lecturer at Auckland University of Technology, says berets were first associated with freedom during the French Revolution at the end of the 17th century. The hat was adopted and modernised by the Black Panthers, a civil rights group in America founded in the 1970s.

Freedom? The French Revolution? Perhaps, but entailing hundreds, thousands of heads rolling. Then fashion guru Campbell jumps a couple of centuries to the Black Panthers. No notice of beret wear by millions of international soldiers, no notices of berets’ popularity in 1930s Western fashion clothing.

Berets have been in military uniforms for 200 years. The red beret in particular is used for airborne troops in some countries, including Britain and America — and the Israel Defence Force Paratrooper Brigade.

The popularity of the beret with fashionable women in the 1930s:

https://glamourdaze.com/2013/02/1930s-fashion-the-french-beret.html

British paratrooper song “Green On”, at includes about 0.48 into the song “…when you put that beret on you know you’ve past the test”:

https://youtu.be/hH0n6rMQb1c?si=3Vy9eiRauIkHLPcO

RNZ on hikoi headgear:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/534644/hikoi-hats-why-are-so-many-people-wearing-red-berets
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November 24, 2024 2:11pm
- Don Beckett
  
  “…. were first associated with freedom during the French Revolution at the end of the 17th century. ”
  
  Just being picky, but the French Revolution was at the end of the 18TH century, not the 17th. 🙂
  
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  November 24, 2024 4:52pm
- Burtland
  
  seems everyone has missed the obvious – Che Guevara
  – marxist revolutionary for the cool kids
  
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  November 24, 2024 5:23pm
  - than
    
    Yes this would be the main reason. Of course RNZ wouldn’t want to mention that.
    
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    November 24, 2024 7:50pm
- greybeard
  
  “Dr Bobby Luke Campbell, a senior fashion lecturer at Auckland University of Technology”: here we are.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/rising-stars/audio/2018896841/rising-star-fashion-designer-dr-bobby-campbell-luke
  Explains a lot.
  
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  November 24, 2024 5:45pm
  - Burtland
    
    seems he got his Dr-of-big-egos at the same place as John Campbell, John Kerwin, Mikie Sherman and Jenny Shipley – comes with a free pair of Joe90 glasses.
    
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    November 24, 2024 10:11pm
- NoFax
  
  I’m surprised by no mention of a certain Raspberry Beret. After all it was sung by Prince and the Revolution – The Revolution!
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:41pm
InsaneBorg

Hey all,
Been a long time since I last posted here.
Anyway does anyone know what the average wait time is to hear from the local Arms Officer to a arrange the interviews and security inspection once Te Tari Pureke (Firearms Safety Authority) has forwarded your case file and Application to your local Arms Office(Waitemata/North Shore/Rodney) in my case?

Asking as they forwarded my case file and Application to my local Arms Office on Tuesday 12 November and allowing a week via post for the files to be delivered plus 2-3 days for the District Licencing Team to create a vetting pack as that is what happens according to the email I received.
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November 24, 2024 4:35pm
- cmm
  
  Why not just phone and ask them?
  
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  November 24, 2024 4:47pm
  - InsaneBorg
    
    I sent an email to them and hopefully I’ll get a reply back sometime tomorrow.
    
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    November 24, 2024 4:53pm
Pineapple Lumps

Our political system, where we have separate race based seats for Maori, is responsible for fuelling ongoing division in NZ. The constituency who sign on to this roll are saying they need race based representation. Their candidates become more and more inflammatory and extremist in the vomit they spew out.

What is holding some Maori back is their worldview and systems. Leadership from hereditary aristocracy does not compete with meritocracy. So what happens is there are more avenues for successful Maori to thrive outside of their tribal structure. Who loses from that?

Communal ownership of land prevents investment, fetters direction for improvement, and demotivates extraordinary individuals from succeeding.

So how is the success of NZ going to come about forcing the Te Ao Maori worldview on all of us?

Focusing on symptoms is never going to fix the problem but it is going to waste a lot of money and hold back the whole country. Māori themselves are the worst affected by the shackles that they self apply.

When Maori representatives change their rhetoric to dealing to the issues within rather than demonising those on the outside then maybe there will be hope.
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November 24, 2024 5:07pm
Prince

So Perenara took the opportunity to make his own political statement while leading the haka.
Did all players agree, or were they blindsided by a chancer seeking to establish his leftie credential for a future career in politics.
I am sick to death of these wankers using their teammates as pawns in a game.
Frankly, the game was awful, the AB’s played poorly, Perenara is well beyond his use-by date, and the sooner we rid ourselves of Perenara and his fellow grifters the better.
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November 24, 2024 6:31pm
- NoFax
  
  Good news, that was his last game for the All Blacks.
  
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  November 24, 2024 8:42pm
  - Prince
    
    Good. Was his outburst sanctioned by team management and the other players ? What would happen if a couple of players had pulled out of the haka in protest ? Would that be ok, instead of being forced to participate for ‘team unity’ ?
    I guess we’ll hear the usual bullshit from management, while the All Black brand is trashed by the likes of Perenara for their own selfish purposes.
    
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    November 24, 2024 9:09pm
    - Burtland
      
      wonder if the sponsors are happy – what a nightmare letting this tangiwha loose
      
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      November 24, 2024 10:18pm
wilderbeast

As an aside I reread one of my favourite NZ non fiction books “South Sea Vagabonds” covering the seafaring deeds of Aucklander Johnny Wray in the Polynesia in the 1930s. I caught something that hadn’t seemed that relevant on previous readings which was his account of the Tahitians navigation skills when moving within their own archipelago. Specifically he describes a very haphazard method that meant that efforts to journey from the main island of Tahiti to the outlying Rurutu regularly failed as the local boatmen zigzagged around until they ran out of time and returned to Tahiti (easier to find since it was bigger). Wray himself had no such troubles with only the most rudimentary western navigation aids of the time. It’s of no consequence to me whether the Polynesians were great navigators or not, except that it seems to have become part of the contemporary narrative that Maori are smarter, more environmentally aware and generally more deserving than everyone else. It always seemed too bold to me to proclaim their greatness as navigators when their spread through Polynesia was slow (it spanned centuries and even Millenia), there is no evidence of the ratio of successful to failed missions, and the Maori never made it home – hence we don’t definitively know where Hawaiiki is.
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November 24, 2024 6:55pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh6thvt4RI4
Project 2029: How Nigel Farage and Reform can Smash the System.
In this video, I discuss Project 2029 and how Nigel Farage and the Reform Party can smash the political system in the UK. We explore strategies for challenging the Labour and Conservative parties by addressing issues like mass immigration, opposing woke ideology, and focusing on economic and cultural security. Join me as I outline how the Reform Party can lead a significant political realignment and reshape British politics by 2029.
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November 25, 2024 10:55am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1vE3zUc7nM
Bucks County commissioner apologizes for controversial comments about counting ballots.
Wednesday morning at a Board of Elections meeting, Democratic Commissioner Diane Ellis-Marseglia spoke about a controversial comment she made last week. She is one of two Bucks County commissioners who voted to count misdated and undated ballots, which went against a state supreme court ruling. [Can they be jailed for contempt of court?]
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November 25, 2024 10:55am
Rintintin

Maybe next game they will do something for Hamas?
What you can bet it will not be anything for the Jew’s
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