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Yvette

Te Pati Maori End Game
Could they claim the balance of power? The country’s youngest MP has revealed the answer to the question many have been asking for some time. What is the end game for Te Pati Maori?
– Peter William’s Substack
https://peterallanwilliams.substack.com/p/te-pati-maori-end-game

“If every single Māori person registered on the Māori (electoral) roll we would have 20 automatic Māori seats in Parliament” she said.

Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke’s speech after the hikoi highlighted a key strategy: if all Māori registered on the Māori roll, 20 automatic Māori seats in Parliament could be achieved. This revealed the hikoi as less about opposing David Seymour’s Treaty Principles Bill and more about Te Pāti Māori’s recruitment drive. Orchestrated by party leaders and staff, the effort leveraged fear to rally supporters, urging Māori to join the roll, boosting Māori electorates at the expense of general seats—a calculated, constitutional move for political influence.

From either perspective – Maori or non-Maori – it is US versusTHEM – division

That’s why David Seymour’s bill promoting equality for all is so important
The hikoi “against ACT’s bill”, proves the need for ACT’s bill

QED, by not by the Maori Party, but because of them
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November 23, 2024 8:01am
- pdm
  
  Interesting theory by Peter Williams.
  
  I think it overlooks the importance of the Party Vote and the huge Overhang 20 Maori Seats would cause irrespective of whether the Maori Party, Labour or some other party won them.
  
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  November 23, 2024 9:39am
- malc
  
  When I hear Luxon saying that the ToW principles are settled so there is no need for a debate, I wish a so-called journo would ask him this simple question:
  ‘If the TOW principles are settled, why do the three opposition parties state that Māori did not cede sovereignty and the three government parties state that they did. Isn’t the question of sovereignty a fairly significant issue about which there is widespread disagreement?’
  I will not be holding my breath.
  
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  November 23, 2024 10:15am
  - Taieri
    
    I wish a so-called journo would ask him this simple question
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    What are these principles? As the PM you should know. Please list them.
    
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    November 23, 2024 11:38am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Just like Jacinda would have known what the principles were too – about as much as she knew what GDP is…
      
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      November 23, 2024 12:13pm
  - Yvette
    
    It does, as you indicate Malc, raise a little problem that 57 of 122 Members of Parliament hold the view that sovereignty was not ceded and therefore shouldn’t be there in a whiteperson’s House, and in fact, to keep their bums on their seats, should be supporting a bill which says Government has the right to govern – right?
    
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    November 23, 2024 11:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Surely the extent of the electorate boundary for the Maori seats is based on Maori Population data from the census…and not on the number of people on the Maori roll?
  
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  November 23, 2024 12:54pm
Scott

Like many people in the community I’m happy about what this government is doing to reverse the Labour agenda and put NZ on a much better path.

This week the gang patch ban came into effect. And on the radio the news came across that police had made many subsequent gang related arrests!

What a wonderful change from the previous administration who paid gangs to hold drug education and rehabilitation courses. The very gangs who were supplying the drugs were being paid to provide education and rehabilitation services to solve the problem they were in fact causing!

Fortunately we have a sensible govt in place, ably led by Luxon, who are cracking down on law and order and dealing with the drug dealers. Great stuff! 😎
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November 23, 2024 8:08am
- pdm
  
  `ably led by Luxon’.
  
  Not so sure about that when it refers to reversing the Maorification of New Zealand.
  
  He seems dead keen on a Partnership or Co Governance deal with Maori Activists which is not what was voted for on 17 October 2023.
  
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  November 23, 2024 9:42am
  - Scott
    
    This week Luxon announced the gang patch ban. In his first 100 days Luxon got rid of the Maori health authority and 3 waters. Luxon and Peters have pledged to get rid of the references to the Treaty of Waitangi out of legislation. Unless directly relevant.
    
    Luxon has been calm and sensible and moderate. He has not stirred up the radical activist opposition. He has ably led the coalition that has repealed almost the entire labour agenda.
    
    NZ is on a much better track. This govt has surpassed my expectations especially given the hostile media and the wokeness of much of the electorate. Luxon has done a sterling job IMHO.
    
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    November 23, 2024 10:11am
    - pdm
      
      Yet he will not endorse a bill that says:
      
      1. The elected Government has the right to Govern and make and pass laws.
      2. Is a bit of a problem because as written may leave the door open for Partnership and variations of Co Governance.
      3. Everyone is equal before the law and is entitled to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination.
      
      It is disconcerting that he describes 1 & 3 as simplistic when they should be core aspects of any Government.
      
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      November 23, 2024 10:25am
      - Scott
        
        pdm – what we are seeing is MMP in action. National is the centrist party being calm and moderate and appealing to middle NZ. While Act are the more radical activists on the right. NZ First are doing a good job pushing back at the Maori party.
        
        National has pledged to remove references to the Treaty of Waitangi from the legislation. That’s a different approach but it’s not wrong.
        
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        November 23, 2024 11:45am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        NZ First picking up the remnants of any sane Labour Party voters could be satisficing as well
        
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        November 23, 2024 12:21pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        ‘Luxon and Peters have pledged to get rid of the references to the Treaty of Waitangi out of legislation.”
        
        Which Acts, and to what practical effect? To repeat myself, the “protection” principle is more embedded under this Government than the last Government. This is being done by intensifying the adherence te ao Maori by government agencies.
        
        You are falling for empty government rhetoric.
        
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        November 23, 2024 1:25pm
    - Paulus
      
      Whadda mean Maori Health Authority – it does not appear to have made any appreciable changes in nearly all aspects, especially to paying the top people still, and carrying on as usual.
      
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      November 23, 2024 10:54am
      - Scott
        
        The Maori health authority has been disestablished. Shane Reti is working to improve Maori health outcomes but not with a separate health system.
        
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        November 23, 2024 11:48am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      With respect, your expections are low.
      
      Why is the economy wrecking ministry of education still there?
      
      Why are we about to pay billions to developing countries in exchange for a carbon credit certificate. Literally pieces of paper?
      
      Why is the age for the aged pension still 65?
      
      Yes the things you cite are welcome. But they are not commensurate with the crisis facing the country. Not even close.
      
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      November 23, 2024 10:58am
      - Scott
        
        My dear Benedict. Let’s imagine that before the election National had run on abolishing the ministry of education, scrapping our climate accord agreements and raising the age of retirement to say 67.
        
        Does anyone think they would have been elected to office on that platform?
        
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        November 23, 2024 11:51am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Let’s imagine that before the election …”
        
        That does not change those pesky facts.
        
        You are basically saying that we will need to end up like Argentina, a total basket case, before the people elect a Government that will save the country from the abyss.
        
        OK what do you propose? How about the Government commences a “conversation” to borrow a Jacinda term, that explains to folk why the current climate change policies will literally wreck the country? Then they can act in a second term. But no, Chris Luxon, is like, “What billions of dollars to Indonesia? I don’t see any of that.”
        
        How about the Government explains to folk why the Ministry of Education is a bloated cesspit? Then act in a second term. Nope, can’t do that.
        
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        November 23, 2024 1:22pm
    - Taieri
      
      He has not stirred up the radical activist opposition.
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      No he hasn’t. The big ice cream party in Wellington was all Seymour’s doing.
      
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      November 23, 2024 11:41am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘Luxon and Peters have pledged to get rid of the references to the Treaty of Waitangi out of legislation. Unless directly relevant.’
      
      Seymour on the Platform yesterday with Michael Laws . 30 odd acts under review . Excluded are ToW Act , Public Finance Act and SOE Act will not even be considered for the review .
      
      The principles are not going away .That’s why his bill is so important.
      
      Winston can bleat all he likes and loudly , that there are no principles , to hoodwink his erstwhile followers , but I’d say Winston has no principles ……
      
      We’re being taken for a ride .
      
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      November 23, 2024 12:08pm
- sherp
  
  Strange how no activist idiots called cindy a racist when she paid meth peddling barking scum koha because she thought those actions represent maori culture…
  
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  November 23, 2024 9:47am
  - AitchW
    
    God she was dreadful. Perfectly fine as a high school student council co-president but so very far out of her depth in the adult world where her naive decisions negatively affected almost every productive person in New Zealand. Her cute “Captain’s call” did irreparable damage to our economy and future growth.
    I hope those of you who voted Green and or Labour are proud of what you did to our country.
    We will be living with the consequences of Ardern, Robertson et al for a very, very long time.
    And the world still loves her. Is there no justice?
    
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    November 23, 2024 10:59am
- JackRabbit
  
  Banning patches is not the answer, any more than banning mums and dads from wearing RCR T-shirts in public or their favourite band t-Shirt.
  
  Scott, rather than a ban on patches per se, put conditions of people on benefits, that they turn up for 8 hours a day for training or looking for work. Dressed in appropriate attire. No turn up, no social welfare.
  
  Gangs only get to parade their patches because they either live off the state, or live off the proceeds of crime, and have no legal work to attend.
  
  Clamp down on crime, and clamp down on social welfare, and they will be too occupied to be out in public.
  
  Same with the junior ram raiders. If they are in school or work, and have to get to work by 7am, they won’t have time to be out raiding at 3am.
  
  And these ram raiders should have the full extent of the law thrown at them.
  
  Then they, and their gang members cab wear “prison patches”, while working on the “road gangs”, filling pot holes and the like.
  
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  November 23, 2024 10:40am
  - Scott
    
    Jack rabbit, while I don’t disagree with your ideas on law and order, I believe banning gang patches was an important step.
    Under the previous government patched gang members were blocking roads and even taking over small towns with impunity. The were visible and threatening.
    
    This measure drastically lowers gang visibility and the consequent breakdown of law and order.
    
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    November 23, 2024 12:03pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Bring back the chain gangs and stick these low lifes on them.
    
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    November 23, 2024 12:19pm
Chuck Bird

‘Laughingstock:’ Israeli, US Leaders Blast ICC Arrest Warrants Against Netanyahu, Gallant

JERUSALEM, Israel – Two of Israel’s most famous leaders now face arrest if they go to almost any nation in the world. That’s after the International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, citing alleged “war crimes.”

The prime minister swiftly defended Israel’s actions in Gaza, declaring, “No war is more just than the war that Israel has been waging in Gaza after Hamas attacked us, unprovoked.”

Israeli President Isaac Herzog wrote the ICC’s decision “has turned universal justice into a universal laughingstock.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg66H8iBL8o
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November 23, 2024 8:14am
- Matt Long
  
  Netanyahu made an apt comparison to the infamous Dreyfus affair that exposed antisemitism in France, and was one of the key drivers of the populism of Zionism.
  
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  November 23, 2024 8:18am
- CJames
  
  You forgot to mention they also issued a warrant for a dead Hamas leader so they could appear impartial.
  As I posted in GD some days back, this whole action was driven by South Africa and funded by Russia and Iran. Three shining examples of a just, free and fair society. // for those who didn’t pick the irony.
  
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  November 23, 2024 8:44am
  - CJames
    
    The daily cartoon in “The Australian” sums up the ridiculous case. Can’t link directly to it because of their paywall but one can view it at bottom of page here https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ A Kafka farce if ever there was one, but he was Jewish too, wasn’t he?
    
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    November 23, 2024 9:24am
Cassandra

There’ll be more to come on this. The ICC may well have signed its death warrant. In essence issuing a warrant for the two politicians opens Pandora’s Box – is a UK PM now liable for crimes in Iraq? Elderly generals in America for My Lai? This is a very bad move.
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November 23, 2024 8:23am
- Simon
  
  lol – globalism has been shitting all over the people for decades. But now its a problem because of few leaders might be in bother.
  
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  November 23, 2024 8:35am
- Jethrod
  
  I’m sure Tony Blair has to be careful which countries he travels to.
  
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  November 23, 2024 8:44am
  - Paulus
    
    I wish this would apply to Ardern in her possible return to New Zealand for family Christmas.
    
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    November 23, 2024 10:55am
    - Ghost
      
      She lives rent free in so many people’s heads. Move on, she has
      
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      November 23, 2024 11:10am
      - CJames
        
        Yes – best to regard her as an unfortunate interregnum between Key and Luxon. I am certain a lot of her 2020 voters have amnesia on the subject already.
        
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        November 23, 2024 11:43am
Matt Long

Jaw dropping over 1200% increase in excess deaths due to heart attacks in King County Oregon since covid vax.
https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1859647125661024516
This kind of breathless reporting is why I don’t trust the impending doom reports by anti vaxers. The actual percentage of the population affected is vanishingly small, could be a statistical anomaly, could in fact be due to the effects of covid infection.
I know I personally react badly to flu vaccinations, and I’m even more sceptical of the efficacy of various covid vaccinations than I am of anti vax claims but it would be nice to cut out the scaremongering.
People will continue to die of covid, of the flu, of reactions to vaccines, of tripping on their carpet, but no, we aren’t going to be drowned under 200km of sea rising because we don’t pay enough tax, we aren’t going to be burnt up by UV because we sprayed a spider nest, and as long as we get government under control we’re likely to continue to enjoy a standard of living better than our ancestors ever dreamed.
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November 23, 2024 8:36am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is bullshit. The only reliable data studies are large scale studies. The gold standard study in the UK recently covered tens of millions of people who had suffered cardiac events since 2021. Those who had received the COVID vaccine had statistically significantly lower cardiac events than the unvaccinated. Those who had received boosters had commensurately lower adverse cardiac events.
  
  No I’m not posting the links. I’ve done that three times. 😐
  
  The reasons are pretty simple. Severe covid disease can cause myocarditis. However, a larger risk from severe covid is “hyper coagulation”.
  
  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9387574/
  
  I have a medical condition that can mean that hyper coagulation is quickly fatal. Hence why I do not want to contract severe covid.
  
  Stay away from amatuer statisticians reporting weird trends in some county in the USA. Especially if it is in Oregon or California.
  
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  November 23, 2024 9:05am
  - rouppe
    
    The population of the UK is about 69 million.
    
    Are you saying that at least a third of them (tens of millions) had a cardiac event?
    
    Or did the study include people outside the uk?
    
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    November 23, 2024 9:30am
- Rodney Hide
  
  Hi Matt
  
  I see above that you accept that people will have died of the covid jab and I assume been injured.
  
  How many do you think it takes for there to be an issue when the jab was touted as safe and effective and mandated?
  
  1, 10, 100, 1,000 or more?
  
  We were promised here in New Zealand the data comparing the health outcomes of the jabbed v the un jabbed. I have not seen it. I assume it is not being made available.
  
  I am not being breathless but the lack of data is worrying.
  
  Also, I am afraid, my trust in peer reviewed science for drugs is zero. There is too much money.
  
  That’s why the raw data must be open source.
  
  Transparency is what builds trust.
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  November 23, 2024 9:20am
  - Scott
    
    Rodney Hide – totally agree. How many people do I know that have died of covid? Not one. I don’t know personally one person who died of covid. I know one person who got very sick with covid but she was over 65 and had many other medical problems.
    
    On the other hand I personally know people who have got very sick because of the jab and have had serious side effects.
    
    Out of 100 people that got the jab how many had serious side effects? I’d really like to know?
    
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    November 23, 2024 10:05am
  - Phronesis
    
    There is a key point that is often overlooked. On a population basis it may be that the vaccine reduced harm overall. If the vaccine injuries were less harmful than Covid injuries in the absence of vaccine then there is a net benefit at the population level. The ethical problem is that at an individual level it is unlikely that those who suffered vaccine injuries would have otherwise suffered Covid injuries. They are (mostly) going to be different groups of people. The political philosophy underlying compulsory vaccination was clearly not one that favoured the rights of the individual. If people had a genuine choice then they could accept the consequences of their own decisions.
    
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    November 23, 2024 11:01am
  - Matt Long
    
    Rodney, I don’t think transparency will illuminate the issue much, I believe the data is bad, all of it.
    There’s sufficient anecdotal evidence that enough medical professionals refused to record medical events that happened after vaccinations as vaccine related to cast doubts on studies such as those Benedict cites.
    The whole covid travesty has the hallmarks of a mass hysteria event, and it’s fun to speculate that it was a CCP psyop, complete with fake video of people dropping dead on the street, and TikTok algorithms to spread panic.
    The denial of human rights by the Ardern government was indefensible.
    I personally won’t take the vaccine, and the original basis of that decision, that Ardern was mandating it still provides a good evidence against. (I also followed the whole course of the epidemic and vaccine development closely.
    
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    November 23, 2024 11:03am
    - Rodney Hide
      
      Hi Matt
      
      Let’s hope and pray RFKjnr provides the transparency promised and we will see.
      
      Rodney
      
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      November 23, 2024 12:47pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      And don’t forget that the average life expectancy for New Zealanders has reduced by several years because of the régimes actions.
      That’s according to the NZ treasury who measure such effects in order to properly predict the future demographics.
      
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      November 23, 2024 12:47pm
Albie

“This is a reimagining that recaptures the essence of Jaguar, returning it to the values that once made it so loved, but making it relevant for a contemporary audience.” Quote from Jaguar on the new ad in The Guardian yesterday.
They even seem to have forgotten what the essence of Jaguar once was: great looking performance cars at affordable prices when compared to their competitors.
This is looking like a Bud Light event for Jaguar, and they haven’t even got any cars to sell!
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November 23, 2024 8:39am
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  They might be taking a punt that their biggest market now is wealthy woke corporate types, mustn’t be as much money in the conservative landed gentry anymore.
  Or so they must be hoping.
  
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  November 23, 2024 11:57am
Benedict Yu

I was amused by this recent article in the Straits Times.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/took-a-while-to-set-in-man-stunned-after-6-teens-take-his-unlocked-car-for-joyride-in-sengkang

A single car being stolen by some teenagers is sufficiently remarkable that it deserved a feature article in the newspaper. 😄 So many police descended on the crime scene that the teenagers were quickly captured.

The car had been left unlocked with the keys in the car. Apparantly this is not unusual. I recently read another article about a guy stole belongings from 56 unlocked cars in Singapore over a single night. His punishment.. Five years in prison.
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November 23, 2024 8:50am
- MCōs
  
  Also huge fines for jaywalking, in the order of $1500 I believe
  I’d be bankrupt within a fortnight if I didn’t mend my evil ways.
  
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  November 23, 2024 9:03am
  - Allan
    
    Which country would you feel, and be, safer in when walking around the city after midnight?
    
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    November 23, 2024 12:13pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I remember when a single murder in NZ was headline news for weeks, because it was the only murder for weeks. Sadly, those days have gone for now.
  
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  November 23, 2024 9:09am
  - pdm
    
    Home detention for manslaughter these days Bollocks.
    
    A long way from 5 years for stealing from unlocked cars.
    
    It is past time Justice Minister Goldsmith got his arse into gear on sentencing reform.
    
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    November 23, 2024 9:29am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      pdm bro – “It is past time Justice Minister Goldsmith got his arse into gear on sentencing reform.” – yeah right. Goldsmith is fit to be president of Wokistan.
      
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      November 23, 2024 10:53am
      - Ghost
        
        Passed it’s first reading, In select committie.
        
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        November 23, 2024 11:07am
    - Paulus
      
      Do you think that our Judges will take any notice of a Minister trying to tighten up on any sentencing ?
      
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      November 23, 2024 10:59am
      - Phronesis
        
        We still haven’t had an explanation for how the last Government was able to massively influence sentencing without any legislative change at all.
        
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        November 23, 2024 11:38am
Jack5

The General Debate thread can be quiet on a Saturday, so here’s a topic for war history buffs …

For David Garrett, too. He sometimes posts about RAF bomber command.

In the Pacific in WW2, pilots had a challenge finding the way back to the mother aircraft carrier, a moving “air strip” in the vast Pacific.

To pilots flying high the carrier could look to be the size of a packet of cigarettes.

You needed to find it before your fuel ran out. That would mean crash landing in the sea, and just a hope of being picked up.

This was a problem for American air crews in the inter-carrier battles and in patrols. It was a problem for Japanese Navy pilots, too.

Here’s the coded radio system the Americans developed:

https://youtu.be/zHVOI_WzdBA?si=OshIEFWO34iXNFKI

Japanese carrier pilots sometimes didn’t even have radio in their planes. Here’s how they navigated home:

https://youtu.be/ByxwCkXGWE4?si=tLTnyXz-vd2euLpU
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November 23, 2024 8:51am
Chuck Bird

This is a book our climate change minister should read. I think I will buy a Kindle copy.

Professor Ian Plimer launches Climate Change: The Facts 2025

Watch the inimitable Professor Ian Plimer launch the Institute of Public Affairs’ Climate Change: The Facts 2025.

Climate policy remains the single biggest policy obsession of Western governments and institutions such as the United Nations, NGOs and universities. It impacts trade flows, the geopolitical balance, economic growth, and public opinion in the West.

Climate Change: The Facts 2025 is the fifth edition of a series of books that has spanned 15 years. It is a truly scientific work and was edited by Dr Jennifer Marohasy and Dr John Abbot. The research contained within, from highly credentialed contributors, provides a more complete answer and awareness to how natural variation influences the view of the anthropogenic global warming hypothesis.

To purchase a copy of Climate Change: The Facts 2025 visit: https://climatechangethefacts.org.au/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPJV4fPZ_oc
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November 23, 2024 9:01am
- Benedict Yu
  
  No. The first thing I noticed is that one of the editors is Jennifer Marohasy. She produces absolute junk. Her data analysis on global temperature change is so bad it is embarrassing. She has been grifting in this space for a decade.
  
  So no the last thing I would like to see is for our climate change minister to be distracted by this junk. I would much rather see him focused on the impoverishment caused by New Zealand policies.
  
  As we get closer to 2030 there will, and there should not be, any debate about whether “climate change is real”. It is, but if it is not, New Zealand will make no impact on that debate.
  
  What can we control? Our own destiny, driven by our own climate change policies. We are about to hand over between 10 and 20 billion to dodgy foreign governments to meet our Paris Accord commitments. These commitments were all voluntary. Nobody forced us. They were made by James Shaw and Jacinda and cheered on by Chris Luxon. It is this madness that should be our focus. The last thing we want to do is get side tracked by stupid Jennifer Marohasy. 😩
  
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  November 23, 2024 9:24am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I had not heard of Jennifer Marohasy before, but I have heard of several of those who contributed to the book. What makes you think Marohasy is stupid?
    
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    November 23, 2024 9:50am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Everything she does.
      
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      November 23, 2024 9:52am
      - CJames
        
        Relating back to the previous post, she has a PhD in a STEM subject as well.
        
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        November 23, 2024 11:45am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “climate change is real”
    
    Of course, climate change is real. The issue is whether human emissions contribute significantly to this warming.
    
    Also, are there positive things about increased CO2 and a little warming? More CO2 means plants grow faster. A little warming means fewer people die from extreme heat.
    
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    November 23, 2024 11:50am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “The issue is whether human emissions contribute significantly to this warming..”
      
      They do.
      
      Yes there positives from increased co2. Vastly outweighed by the negatives.
      
      I just don’t know what you are expecting to achieve in New Zealand. You are only going to turn public opinion by pointing out the futility and stupidity of our climate change policies. I would much rather influence that debate than get involved with snake oil scientists who peddle nonsense. Getting involved in such debates will achieve nothing in New Zealand.
      
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      November 23, 2024 12:22pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        “snake oil scientists who peddle nonsense”
        
        Do you consider Dr Juduth Curry, Dr Steven Koonin and Dr Patrick Moore snake oil scientists?
        
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        November 23, 2024 12:59pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Rather than address my points you are deflecting.
        
        If I answer your question you will deflect again.
        
        No thanks.
        
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        November 23, 2024 1:11pm
  - Notsofast
    
    That’s where I am at, well explained Benedict.
    There may well be limited trade advantages tossing the billions in the fire but the world still needs food, and from a selfish perspective NZ is climatically insulated bar a few cyclones.
    Every dog has its day.
    
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    November 23, 2024 12:24pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      New Zealand will be one of the lucky nations least affected by climate change. In contrast, I would not like to be living in the western suburbs of Sydney in 100 years. Of course Australia will likely have cheap nuclear power to run all those air conditioners. Sadly, on its current trajectory, New Zealand’s relationship with Australia 100 years from now will be along the lines of the current relationship between Mexico and the USA – at best.
      
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      November 23, 2024 1:15pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Ireland is in a pickle. Being the home of many data centres, the accelerating demand for electricity driven by AI queries is threatening the stability of its grid.

Last year, data centers consumed 21 percent of all Irish metered electricity, surpassing urban residential consumption.

Of course, the Irish grid is connected to the UK & from thence to Europe. Here in NZ, our grid is not connected to anywhere else. It makes you wonder about where the leccie for the new Auckland Microsoft and Amazon data centres is going to come from.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/AIs-Insatiable-Appetite-for-Energy-Threatens-Irelands-Grid.html
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November 23, 2024 9:06am
- Jethrod
  
  From Euan Mee!
  
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  November 23, 2024 10:04am
- peterwn
  
  It would seem that the Irish electricity system is in a similar situation to what the NZ system was before Rogernomics. Basically anyone setting up a new industry etc could sign up for a new connection and the main electricity utility (generally backed by the Government) would produce the goods. A nation keen to attract industrial investment would see such an arrangement as a positive way to attract investment. The downside is the Government directly (or via possible imposts on all customers) is having to take the investment risk, particularly if there is over-investment in generation. This is why the NZ government decided that it did not want to shoulder this risk, and that private enterprise was better placed to shoulder the risk. So in NZ any prospective major customer (ie not domestic, small farming, small business) needs to negotiate a supply contract with one of the retailers (in practice limited to one of the four ‘gentailers’) for a supply of electricity for making widgets, running a data centre etc. This could require guarantees or even cash up front so the appropriate generation can be allocated. The alternative is to be a spot price bottom feeder (which Electric Kiwi and similar are) which may be OK if the customer can readily reduce demand on the occasions the spot price goes through the roof. Rod Drury (ex XERO) was nosing around data centres and quickly realised that securing electricity supplies for new or increased data centres was a major issue. He suggested the system needed to be ‘reformed’ presumably to shift the risk from the customer to the supplier. Then there was the opposite situation in Soviet Russia where major industries like steelworks had to build their own power stations and transmission to ensure a supply of electricity.
  
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  November 23, 2024 10:06am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I believe Microsoft NZ has signed a long term deal with Manawa Energy, in part so they can boast that their data centre is carbon neutral, but also to secure the electricity.
    
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    November 23, 2024 10:25am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  It’ll come from wind turbines.
  Honest.
  
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  November 23, 2024 10:47am
  - kowtow
    
    Green hydrogen.
    
    Te he he.
    
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    November 23, 2024 12:15pm
- AitchW
  
  Maybe they should build their data centres in Bluff. Next time Rio Tinto threatens to take their bat and ball and go home we could give them a lift to the airport!
  
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  November 23, 2024 10:48am
  - Phronesis
    
    And the heat from the data centres could be used to warm greenhouses.
    
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    November 23, 2024 11:42am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Bollocks – These data centres can be powered by the gas generated by TPM leaders in the house.
  
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  November 23, 2024 10:55am
PaulP

Amazing that the MSM is so far left they are trying to make out that gang members are just law abiding great family men.

At least they towards the end quote a cop that calls out the BS. Doesn’t really provide any balance though given the rest of this crap article though.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360495403/ground-zero-opotiki-town-centre-police-gang-crackdown
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November 23, 2024 9:07am
- AitchW
  
  I liked Luxon’s response that the journos should ask these thugs what they did to earn their patch.
  It wasn’t helping little old ladies across the road.
  
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  November 23, 2024 10:49am
Jack5

Donald Trump might soon put a brake on Ireland’s economic boom of booms.

Ireland’s 15 per cent company tax rate has attracted companies from America and Europe to base headquarters in Ireland.

The tax flow has pushed the Irish Republic’s GDP per capita to fourth in the world, compared with the USA at 14th (NZ is 44th).

Trump said he would cut the American corporate tax rate for companies that make products in the U.S. to 15 per cent, matching Ireland’s.

The Wall Street Journal reports three big foreign companies made up 43 per cent of Irish corporation tax receipts in 2022. Just under a thousand American companies employ about 15 per cent of the Irish work force.

Together, the businesses and their employees may contribute as much as three-fifths of the Irish Government’s tax take.
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November 23, 2024 9:16am
- kevn
  
  Jack… Now, what about Irelands (created) migrant issue?
  
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  November 23, 2024 9:31am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Wealthy countries want to give poorer countries $250B pa. Poorer countries reject this, saying “no, you’re far too generous”.

Hang on, nope, apologies, I’ve got that wrong. Poorer countries reject this, saying “no, you’re far too mean. We want $1.3T pa”.

http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2l9y89v9jno
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November 23, 2024 9:23am
- Swifty
  
  I wonder by what criteria China is still regarded as a developing country versus a developed one?
  
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  November 23, 2024 9:46am
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    Oh, the rate of development of coal-fired power stations.
    
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    November 23, 2024 10:07am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    South Korea ditto
    
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    November 23, 2024 10:26am
  - kowtow
    
    How’s about India with its massive military and space spend .Not to mention its overseas covert operations in places like Canada .
    
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    November 23, 2024 12:18pm
- Cassandra
  
  I see that it’s mainly “vulnerable islands”. It’d be much better to vacate the islands. All the Pacific rim countries could take a few and bingo, we save $1.3 trillion. Plenty of room in Peru and Chile, for example. NZ could take 100 and Oz a thousand.
  
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  November 23, 2024 9:47am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    In 1969 I was up at the Akl Nautical School for my Mate’s Cert.
    
    A fellow student was from Niue. He said it would be cheaper for the NZ Govt to buy every Niuean a home in Remmers and pay a lump sum settlement grant than keep funding Aid to the Island!!!!
    
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    November 23, 2024 10:04am
    - Paulus
      
      Doesn’t one of the Pacific Island nations own a large chunk of Fiji that they bought as few years ago as somewhere to go to when they sink !
      
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      November 23, 2024 11:04am
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        Yes, cannot remember which one.
        
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        November 23, 2024 12:24pm
nathie

John posted a link yesterday showing a young woman’s social media attempt to explain why ACT’s Treaty Principle Bill is wrong/racist/repressive/insert expletive here etc.

It appeared to be a mixture of facts with opinions, exaggeration and misinformation etc.

But this is how people protesting the TPB/David Seymour sees things, making them “right” and Seymour “wrong” (and a lot worse).

Whilst this may be symptomatic of the young of today that relies on social media for their cues, as well as older disaffected Maori/Pakeha activists and protester followers … this also applies to people that are in a position to know better i.e. Labour (and Green and TPM) MP’s.

Long story short now …

David Seymour is a “thinker”, he is a smart man who appears to think matters through/considers before acting.

(He doesn’t blurt out on a whim, unlike Labour’s useless MP’s that are always in the news, for example, like Jackson, Andersen, Verrall and a number of others).

Suggestion to Seymour/ACT (and National and NZF) is to lead the information charge.

Go talk to Tribal leadership, engage and understand what matters most to them (and their concerns).

Why you say? Because the radical/activists (TPM/academics/radicals/civil servants/KC’s etc) are leading the charge and whipping up the hysteria against TPB/Seymour … and along the way are gaining support of “low information” Maori/Pakeha amplifying support for a radical reinvented future. He Puapua.

By ACT/Nat/NZF working in with the Tribes and movers and shakers, explaining and accommodating where practical, a process that will make life better for all NZ’ers (all and including Maori – the Tribal Chiefs were signatories to the ToW after all), then that will:

1. Achieve better outcomes for all.
2. Reduce the “division”.
3. Temper the radical/activists.

On the last point, beware of unintended consequences (of bumping along with a TPB as business as usual), which is playing out in front of us enabling the radical TPM to lead the narrative, for the worse, ethnocentric, outcomes for all NZers.

But that narrative can be changed and taken away from TPM for the better, by in person dialogue with leadership.
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November 23, 2024 9:47am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The problem with speaking with iwi leaders is that the old school iwi leaders are on the way out & are being replaced by the new generation who are the radical activists seen in the limelight.
  
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  November 23, 2024 10:28am
  - Paulus
    
    The older ones never went to free Universities, like the young ones, who go to some, often very second rate Universities, and made themsevles into Radicals at taxpayer expenses.
    
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    November 23, 2024 11:09am
- Eastlander
  
  Why do you think the Iwi leadership is not driving this? And what ‘concerns’ do you think they have? I can tell you right now, they’re angry because Ardern and Mahuta promised them co-governance and the boundless wealth that would come with it. They thought that was a done deal and now they see it slipping out of their hands.
  
  There’s no possibility of compromise with them, they want what they were promised and think they’re still owed and they’ll keep trying to get it any way they can.
  
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  November 23, 2024 11:40am
Kiwiguy

Anyone else seen what Jaguar is up to?
Looks like they have a new Trans Mission
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November 23, 2024 9:55am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Would that be the exciting new LBGTQ+CVT?
  
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  November 23, 2024 10:39am
  - Phronesis
    
    No one wants a car with a dodgy tranny in it.
    
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    November 23, 2024 11:45am
I remember when

Do the people that make such a big thing of supporting Palestine not realise that they are, in fact, helping extend the current conflict?
After the initial Hamas attack it quickly become an immense propaganda exercise by Hamas.
They realised that if they based themselves amidst vulnerable Palestinian infrastructure, any attempts to attack them would result in damage to Israel’s reputation.
Therefore hospitals, schools and population concentrations were used as prime gathering places.
The media, some already supportive, then produced the necessary pictures.
Every time Hamas were attacked it added another layer to a growing pile of great propaganda for their cause.
Why would they want a ‘cease fire’?
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November 23, 2024 10:22am
Swifty

All in the papers in the last 24 hours, the political figure, the property developer and the Lord of the Rings actor and then this:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rotorua-teen-prostitution-ring-five-men-admit-being-customers/AMRBCGY66VHOPGIGOZO37VLROI/

My god we’ve got some sick bastards in New Zealand.
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November 23, 2024 10:36am
- kowtow
  
  ‘The charge is laid under the Prostitution Reform Act 2003 and carries a maximum penalty of seven years imprisonment.’
  
  Nostalgia . Does anyone remember the big promises Labour made when they pushed through that bill.
  
  Yet another utopian promise that would banish all ills from the pretty pink paradise.
  
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  November 23, 2024 12:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nuclear Inquiry Australia Nov 15th.
Will Shackel’s FULL EVIDENCE to the nuclear inquiry.
Will Shackel is the young guy who started Nuclear for Australia. He probably knows more about Nuclear Energy than the Australian Labor Party.
It is 54 minutes. A lot of questions with brilliant answers from this clever guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd62T0SyIiA

NZ needs to start something like this.
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November 23, 2024 11:05am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Matt Gaetz gave Donald Trump the one answer he hated to hear.

“Gaetz withdrew from consideration after the Swamp used false allegations to smear Gaetz as a sexual predator and a sex trafficker of minors.
The allegations were bogus – the weaponized Joe Biden-Kamala Harris Department of Justice never pressed charges – but the mere existence of an unproven allegation was enough to sink Gaetz.”
Yes it is the nasty Democrats again.

https://patriotpulse.net/matt-gaetz-gave-donald-trump-the-one-answer-he-hated-to-hear/?
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November 23, 2024 11:16am
- Ghost
  
  You’re a hypocrite aren’t you. You constantly post rubbish rumors about democrats, then claim the same against Republicans is dirty. You’re as bad as those you claim are nasty.
  
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  November 23, 2024 11:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Accused of having sex with an underage teen. Age of consent in Florida is 18.
    The swamp attacked Gaetz.
    But whatever you say Ghost.
    MAGA.
    
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    November 23, 2024 12:03pm
    - Ghost
      
      And yet if we look at your constant dribble you post about democrats you are just as bad as them with all the bullshit you post. The girl was 17 and trafficked across state lines. We all know if this involved a democrat you’d be posting non stop about it, you are a pathetic hypocrite that constantly posts bullshit about democrats that there is no evidence for. You’re everything that is wrong in political supporters, gullible idiots who post bullshit attacks against the opposition because you are too stupid to know you are doing exactly what you claim the other side is doing
      
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      November 23, 2024 12:39pm
      - Greenheart
        
        Well said, Ghost. The guy is a total bore
        
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        November 23, 2024 12:53pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        I think you need to tone down the rhetoric, Ghost. Steve is as entitled as you are to express an opinion, even if you don’t like it – which is obvious.
        Do you read the links he posts, or do you just attack because you don’t like what he comments, because you are a Kamala loving Democrat apologist – no ?
        
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        November 23, 2024 1:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        Really, Im a Kamala loving democrat? Cool. If you’ve read what I’ve written in the past you’d know I do not support democrats or republicans because I’m a New Zealander and who America votes for is up to Americans. Just like I can’t stand American celebrities who interfere with New Zealand politics telling their global fan base to sign petitions.
        
        Steve has a tendency to post absolute bullshit, anyone who has the misfortune of reading his crap knows that, but sadly like monkeys people clap along to the vile shit from each side of the American political spectrum accepting this trash rather then demanding better.
        
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        November 23, 2024 1:24pm
- Don Beckett
  
  And a couple of the RINOs – I can see Trump having problems in the senate if he can’t neutralise them.
  
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  November 23, 2024 11:23am
  - Cassandra
    
    Every President has “problems in the Senate”. It was designed that way, checks and balances.
    
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    November 23, 2024 12:00pm
    - Inandout
      
      Cass, correct on checks and balances. The last thing the Founding Fathers wanted was another UK situation where the monarch ruled supreme. Presidents do hold much power but other than declare wars and push the nuclear button they are tethered to both Houses.
      
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      November 23, 2024 12:18pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Pretty much every recent President has had Nominees rejected.
      
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      November 23, 2024 1:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump is ready for the RINOs. He wasn’t in 2016.
    
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    November 23, 2024 12:04pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh6thvt4RI4
Project 2029: How Nigel Farage and Reform can Smash the System.
In this video, I discuss Project 2029 and how Nigel Farage and the Reform Party can smash the political system in the UK. We explore strategies for challenging the Labour and Conservative parties by addressing issues like mass immigration, opposing woke ideology, and focusing on economic and cultural security. Join me as I outline how the Reform Party can lead a significant political realignment and reshape British politics by 2029.
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November 23, 2024 12:19pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCaAXppdr7s
Trumps Peace Speech.
Its probably too late to sell your defence stocks. Looks like the for ever wars might end. And the rest.
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November 23, 2024 12:19pm
All_on_Red

How it started;
“I love twitter”- Elon Musk 21/12/17
“You should buy it then” Dave Smith 21/21/17
“How much is it?” Elon Musk 21/12/17

Where we are today;
“Comcast is putting MSNBC up for sale. CNN just announced massive layoffs coming.”-Wall St Mav 11/12/24
“Hey Elon Musk, I just had the funniest idea ever”-Donald Trump Jnr
“How much does it cost?”- Elon Musk
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