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NeverMindTheBollocks

DoC are consulting on introducing parking fees in selected national parks. I see that “no change” is not one of the options.

This country is going to the dogs. Once upon a time it was a New Zealander’s birthright to be able to visit the great outdoors without let or hindrance. Not any more.

And if you want to know why DoC need the money, address your concerns to

G Robertson
University of Otago
Dunedin
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November 15, 2024 8:01am
Benedict Yu

“The Hīkoi mō te Tiriti rolled into Kirikiriroa, the city at the centre of regional dairy powerhouse, Waikato….”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360486715/hikoi-mo-te-tiriti-arrives-hamilton-war-words-arrives-capital

With journalism like this, we are doomed. Clown 🤡 journalists cheering on a circus 🤹‍♂️.

The marchers are simply caught up in hysteria. How many of them have read the Bill?

As for the National MPs, it is a disgrace. How many National MPs privately agree with David Seymour? The best we get is Chris Luxon saying the Bill is “divisive” and Louise Upston saying that it is “simplistic”. Well thanks a bunch. How insightful. 😩

I hope that the Select Committee process engenders informed debate. I would like to read reasoned submissions on both sides of the argument.
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November 15, 2024 8:05am
- imalwaysright
  
  Correct on all points.
  NZ has to transition from their bewilderment at Luxon’s position and realise that it is real and, unfortunately, National policy.
  Maybe, instead of changing Deputy PM, we should change PM.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:12am
- BananaLlama
  
  What if you called it a Hikoi and nobody turned up.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Imagine how many would be on the hikoi if the TV cameras had stayed away.
    
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    November 15, 2024 9:55am
- Souvlaki
  
  Upston was a patronising , condescending ,” born to rule”, airhead I thought in the house yesterday.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:18am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes. She reminded me of someone.😩
    
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    November 15, 2024 8:21am
- Surely Knott
  
  How many NZers will feel free to make an honest submission for equal rights? Like the unvaccinated, will equal rights advocates be subject to social consequences in their jobs and society. Will government staff and academics , doctors and real estate agents who don’t support race based privilege be looked over for promotion or funding. You betcha.
  
  A referendum or private polling is needed
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:22am
- Cassandra
  
  There’s a photo of the protesters walking across Auckland bridge in this morning’s UK Times. BTW King:is 76 today. (14th in UK).
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:24am
- sirknz
  
  How do people who are supposed to be walking, roll?
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:28am
- nathie
  
  “The Hīkoi rolled into… “. They sure did “roll in” as in via their cars and vans!
  
  Popping up at one city one day and then another city the next. Clearly little walking is involved!
  
  How come the MSM doesn’t mention this? Geez don’t they care about the unnecessary CO2 emissions anymore?!! Where are the pictures of the Hikoi cars all parking up en-mass? Bet the protesters won’t be paying into any parking meters eh bro!
  
  It was left to Shane Jones to alert the public about this the other day on Jamie Mackay’s show when he called the Hikoi a Ka-koi (car-koi)!
  
  Surely the likes of Dame Whina Cooper would not be amused about this unauthentic “Pop Up Hikoi”!
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:29am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Some random thoughts and observations from yesterday.
  
  At one point I thought a cooking pot was going to appear with a fire under it and poor old Gerry boiled up for dinner.
  That young Maori girl is a pretty little thing. Pity about the anger. She needs to take a chill pill and relax,
  Christopher Luxon is the Neville Chamberlain of our time and like Chamberlain his enemies can smell his weakness and lack of ability to take swift decisive action. Unless Luxon gets a grip on The Maori Problem and quickly it will all end in tears.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:37am
  - oldpark
    
    Watching a report from overseas on a Television News Channel on just what was being enacted and carried out in NZs alleged shredded Democracy Parliament by a young 22 year old female .
    
    The commenters said people like that belong more on TikTok .Go figure .
    
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    November 15, 2024 8:55am
  - cmm
    
    I think that is extremely unfair on Chamberlain.
    
    Chamberlain is often painted as a whimpy appeaser, but he needed to do that to buy Britain time to arm up and get Britain on a war footing. Particularly noteworthy was the ramping up of production of Hurricanes and Spitfires. Every week of delay helped to even the odds.
    
    Strategically speaking, Chamberlain did exactly the right thing.
    
    Here, Luxon is just whimping out with no strategic plan.
    
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    November 15, 2024 9:10am
    - David Garrett
      
      cmm: Yours is largely a revisionist take on Chamberlain. You conveniently forget that right up to the time he was appointed PM on 10 May 1940, Churchill was being ridiculed, and painted as a warmonger. Chamberlain wanted Halifax as PM, and he was a committed appeaser – even at that late stage. There isn’t a shadow of a doubt that if he had become PM “peace negotiations” with Hitler would have immediately followed – Halifax made that quite clear that that would be his intention.
      
      It is equally clear that Hitler would have quickly run roughshod over any such agreement, just as he had with all the others he had made. He is on record as referring to Chamberlain as a “worm” after the Munich agreement in September 1938.
      
      It is true that other British polis were finally walking up to the threat in the later 1930’s – after ridiculing and mocking Churchill as “yesterday’s man” and “a warmonger” for more than ten years, and comparing him unfavourably to Chamberlain, who was promising “peace in our time” after being humiliated by Hitler in Munich.
      
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      November 15, 2024 9:58am
      - cmm
        
        DG: I think Britain was between a rock and a hard place.
        
        The people of Britain didn’t want another war while still feeling the effects of WW1.
        
        There is no way they were ready for war and they needed the phoney war period to tool up.
        
        If the Brits had tried to make a stand they would have been smashed and not have been able to recover.
        
        Just as with politics today, we should not confuse what is said publicly with what was going on.
        
        The “peace in our time” talk clearly does not match what was going on on the ground.
        
        Aircraft production was being ramped up and was quickly exceeding German production. Troop training and arms production went through the roof. By the time the Battle of Britain happened (July 1940 – just 2 months after Churchill took over), Britain was largely ready.
        
        So clearly the “peace in our times” words did not match reality.
        
        If you think that Churchill was responsible for tooling up Britain in 2 months then you clearly have little understanding of what it takes to build factories etc.
        
        Churchill was certainly the right war leader – having the right bluster and character to be a war leader. But the build up required someone more like Chamberlain.
        
        Chamberlain was an accountant and businessman by training. He was a good planner. Those are exactly the skills needed for an efficient build up.
        
        Historians are people of words and tend to take words seriously. I think it is far more instructive to look at action.
        
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        November 15, 2024 10:19am
- peterwn
  
  Kirikiriroa – Is this Morrinsville?
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:40am
  - pdm
    
    Maybe more like Kihikihi’s sister town.
    
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    November 15, 2024 8:48am
- Eastlander
  
  There really are no reasoned arguments on other side. Even Baron Cooke’s discourse in the state-owned enterprises case is astonishingly vacuous. Since there is no sensible case for appointing the worst people in the country as a supervening fourth branch of government, the ‘te Tiriti’ position leans heavily on the argument that this is already required as a matter of law. That necessarily also entails gross falsification of history to hide the actual treaty and replace it with what maori nationalists and liberals think it should have been. You’ve heard Modlik’s line, that’s about as reasoned as it gets.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:44am
- John Loveridge
  
  I caught a promo for One News last night in which they referred to the wee young thing from Te Party delivering a “spine-tingling” haka in Parliament. I’ve often said that journalists should have their adjectives surgically removed: that single example told me everything I needed to know about One’s bias in this particular matter.
  
  All I saw was a very young woman behaving appallingly rudely, interrupting her peers and betters, acting provocatively and aggressively, bulging and rolling her eyeballs, and poking her tongue out.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:45am
- lastmanstanding
  
  On Sky News last night Andrew Bolt showed the shambles in Parliament and then commented that the 17% were dumb thinking they could take on the other 83% and win. I thought his comments were interesting coming from an outside observer. Often its the sideline that sees more of the game.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:46am
- artemisia
  
  I’ve been wondering what the ongoing impact will be as some funding for specific Maori purposes is being wound back, stopped, stricter outcomes required to continue. No hosepipes, more accountability, fewer chances to ‘redirect’ to noncontracted purposes.
  
  Across the board there is a truckload of $$ at risk, some race-based, some not washing its face, some policies have changed, some ‘there’s a cost of living crisis’.
  
  One example of changed policies – school lunches where some say up to 2,000 jobs will be lost. Some will be transferred to the new supplier/s under the vulnerable employee policy but by no means all.
  
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  November 15, 2024 9:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrats Warn Abolishing Department Of Education Could Result In Kids Being Too Smart To Vote For Democrats. Heaven forbid they learn math.
Applies to Labour as well I guess.

https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-warn-abolishing-department-of-education-could-result-in-kids-being-too-smart-to-vote-for-democrats?
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November 15, 2024 8:05am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Just think. Chris Luxon could have been a trailblazer. He could have abolished the New Zealand Ministry of Education and its more than 4,000 staff.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:14am
  - Scott
    
    Umm, Luxon didn’t run on abolishing the Ministry of education. There would have been very little support from the electorate on that idea.
    
    Luxon is doing well. National is dealing with race issues and has repealed much of the previous government’s policies such as 3 waters and Maori health authority.
    
    For some reason many here on the right want Luxon to head up a one term govt?
    
    Luxon and Peters are heading in the right direction on race. Erica Stanford is doing well on righting the education ship.
    
    But there are some on the right for whom nothing this govt does will ever be enough? Sad 🤔
    
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    November 15, 2024 8:53am
- All_on_Red
  
  “Applies to Labour as well”
  Indeed, its not too much of a stretch to get this;
  
  ‘Education experts concur that empowering parents to run their own schools could result in unapproved, non-Communist ideas being taught to susceptible young minds. “The impact on our loyal future electorate could be devastating,” said Education Consultant Rosemary Hipkins. “Children might learn terrible National things, like math. Voters knowing math would be an existential threat to the Labour party and the Teachers Unions.”
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Labour just don’t understand numbers. Never will.
    
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    November 15, 2024 8:46am
imalwaysright

It will be interesting to see how many public servants will be allowed paid leave to attend the hikoi when it drives in to Parliament.
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November 15, 2024 8:05am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Public servants don’t need to give a reason for applying for leave.
  
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  November 15, 2024 9:48am
WaynelSexton

What is the point of Seymours Bill if it isn’t going to pass its second reading and thus become law?
Could it be to hide the fact that Maori are about to lose even more political power, by becoming even more of a minority?

Asian population about to overtake Maori population
https://centrist.co.nz/have-asian-new-zealanders-just-overtaken-maori-new-zealanders/

They push stories out that a Maori future is on it’s way, that a third of children will be Maori.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/third-of-children-to-identify-as-maori-in-2040-stats-nz/D6HZO22MDQUCRC4HSL45RZAO4A/

But how can the future be Maori when they are only having about 18,000 children a year, while we import anywhere from 70,000 to 120,000 immigrants a year?

These hikoi are to pump Maori up to make them believe they are gaining power, by overthrowing a bill that will never pass. While literally being recolonized again.
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November 15, 2024 8:06am
Yvette

Jackson
Since the Speaker warned “Sorry to interrupt you, but don’t go down that track” and “Mr Jackson, think about what you’re saying” with the response, “Oh, I have very much, Mr Speaker, but thank you for that”, Speaker “I know, but not very clearly, obviously”, but after his accusation David Seymour is a liar – after three demands he retract, Willie Jackson: “No, that’s a message from the hīkoi” – so that, unless Jackson himself is a liar, he was conduit of a message from outside Parliament, given to him the day before, so his “saying something that is so blatantly unparliamentary” was then obviously and by his own account: premeditated.

So, as a possible Conspiratorial Theory, was Jackson’s accusation and ejection – like the earlier Party Maori dramatics – also the result of a premeditated plan? – a premeditated agenda in action?

Jackson often mentions the “tyranny of the majority” – yesterday he was all tyranny and little majority
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Hansard quotes – https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20241114_20241114_40

October 22, 2024 – Willie Jackson taking a practical approach to the raging debate over whether Māori ceded sovereignty in 1840 when signing the Treaty of Waitangi.
“I know in my heart, of course, that it’s not the case. There’s no way Māori ceded sovereignty; only a fool or a race provocateur like David Seymour would say otherwise,” Jackson, the leader of Labour’s Māori caucus told LawNews.“However, in reality – in a pragmatic, everyday sense – that has to be the case because otherwise, if you go down that track [Māori sovereignty], then what next? We’ll have Rhodesia and people will be moving out of Paritai Drive.
… “[David Seymour] He’s the one, along with his party, who’s telling lies about what the treaty means … I said right from the start that if the Treaty Principles Bill is passed, you’ll see race riots. I have no doubts about that.
https://lawnews.nz/treaty-maori/labour-maori-caucus-leader-willie-jackson-i-just-accept-the-crown-is-sovereign/
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November 15, 2024 8:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Whether it was premeditated or not, it is a schoolkid tactic:
  
  “It wasn’t me, sir… it was Johnny what said it first”.
  
  Too afraid to own his own shit!
  
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  November 15, 2024 10:10am
G the giant from Dunedin

If I have said it once, I have said it a 1000 times.

Good luck labour getting back in with nutbar greenies and. Crazies corrupt racist TPM in cabinet. Yesterday shows exactly what problem Labour has, and probably the very reason why McKunulty is non committal on knifing Hipkins.

The hatred, the vitriol shown my TPM was utterly disgusting, I note high ranking Labour MPs took part, that right there should scare the shit out of Hipkins, because until he can distance himself from TPM and the greens Lsbour are done.
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November 15, 2024 8:08am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “.. because until he can distance himself from TPM and the greens Lsbour are done.”
  
  I disagree. The next government will be a Maori Party – Green – Labour government. As early as 2026. I stress that this is not my hope but my fear.
  
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  November 15, 2024 9:44am
graham

There’s a story on the Herald, posted this morning, about the so-called “4B movement”, where women are apparently refusing to marry, have children, date, or have sex with men.

Young women across social media are sharing information about the movement as a reaction to many of their male counterparts voting for a candidate who was found liable for sexual abuse and whose appointment of three conservative Supreme Court justices led to the overturning of national abortion rights protections.

Leaving aside for the moment that support for Trump from women actually increased from when he won in 2016, it does seem to me that refusing to have children as a protest against what they see as the right to an abortion, is kind of a daft way to try and make this particular point …
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November 15, 2024 8:13am
Right of way is Way of Right

If I, as a New Zealander of paler hue, walk on to any Marae in New Zealand, I am keenly aware that as manuhere, there is a certain kawa, or protocol, that I am expected to abide by in order to respect tikanga.

I must walk in a certain order, to a certain place. I must stand, respect and receive the wero. I must allow the orators to speak uninterrupted. I must remove my shoes on entering the Whare Nui. I will always have a waiata ready to tautoko our speakers.

I do this out of respect, and because this is the way things are done on a marae in order to ensure that all the speakers are heard, and that nothing can be done if only one group observes the rules.

It is therefore especially galling that the one party in our parliament who appear to believe that the protocols in the House apply to everyone else but them is the one who should be most familiar with tikanga, and should also be aware that choosing to ignore or disrespect that tikanga does nothing but reduce your mana.

The display by Te Pati Maori was an insult to our democracy, and an insult to Maori.

If you want to debate, debate. If you want to grandstand, go somewhere else.
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November 15, 2024 8:13am
- David Garrett
  
  Right of way: A very impressive piece of virtue signaling there; it would be even more impressive if you correctly spelled all the Maori words sprinkled through that piece.
  
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  November 15, 2024 10:03am
Anthony Melchett

Elon musk reckons the public service in USA is so bad, that you could sack them all with a 5 year severance payment and it would cost less less than them continuing to operate inefficient, unnecessary functions.

Going to be an interesting couple of years
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November 15, 2024 8:13am
Cassandra

Like many followers of CR politics I got an email from Paul Goldsmith last night. He argues for a softly/softly approach to Maori. My response:

Dear Mr Goldsmith The problem with your approach is that it does not address the elephants n the room – partnership and sovereignty – while simply permitting the next CL government to incrementally move the dial, as has been happening ever since Doug Graham started his campaign. I remember that well – Doug and I were in 3B at AGS in 1955 – and I remember the fiscal envelope too, and how well did that turn out? Inch by inch we have this perpetual slide down the slippery slope of separation. At some stage NZ will have to have a debate and there’s only one way it can end. We can’t keep going downhill.
You heard Helmut Modlik argue for the Native American approach. Next it’ll be a Maori Upper House or a co-parliament.
I’d like to research Hansard to see what MPs said about the Principles in 1975. I suspect not much. As I understand the conversation at the time Palmer said to Bassett and Prebble that adding them would have no effect. Perhaps he should have a chat to Cooke.

National’s broad church approach has got us here and it’s only going to get worse. Time to stop it. In the nicest possible way, of course, but you’ve got to stop it.
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November 15, 2024 8:21am
- Damocles11
  
  Signing up to UNDRIP was ‘moving the dial’ was it Mr Goldsmith? Moving the dial alright, in favour of the racial separatists who are hellbent on our destruction. Appeasers. Weak, woke appeasers caused this. ‘Weak men create hard times’.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:26am
- pdm
  
  My reply to Goldsmith last evening:
  
  `You, Christopher Luxon and National as a party are making a big mistake.
  
  This is one of the big issues New Zealanders voted to have properly sorted out on 17 October 2023. You people are not listening and will not receive my Electorate Vote in Tukituki in 2026. Catherine Wedd had it last year.
  
  I see this week a Senior National Party Member and former National Party Office Holder is losing faith in the party because of the way this is being handled.
  
  I urge you to change your stance and support the bill to referendum.’
  
  I sent variations of the same email to Christopher Luxon, Todd McLay, Tim Costley and my local MP Catherine Wedd, last evening.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:27am
  - pdm
    
    Note: National have only had my Party Vote once (2014) since the advent of MMP.
    
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    November 15, 2024 8:35am
  - Yvette
    
    New Zealand abandons Labour and shifts to the right as country votes for wholesale change
    New Zealand voters have delivered a forceful rejection of the Labour government as a surge in support for the National party delivered what analysts described as a “bloodbath” for the government and a new right-leaning era for politics in the country.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/14/new-zealand-election-2023-results-national-party-labour-
    
    … and gets a Leader who follows in the footsteps of Jacinda Ardern, better “direct registering” than Chris Hipkins on the Treaty.
    How did New Zealand get it so wrong … again
    
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    November 15, 2024 8:41am
- John Loveridge
  
  I wrote to Christopher Luxon the other day asserting that David Seymour’s bill is the bottom line concerning whether I’ll ever vote for National again. I got a very similar reply.
  
  Well, bollocks. This needs to be sorted decisively, once and for all, otherwise we’ll never be able to progress as a nation.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:51am
- David George
  
  This is very funny and probably, and unfortunately, not too far from the truth.
  “Every Time The TREATY PRINCIPLES BILL Comes Up At The Coalition Meetings.”
  https://x.com/i/status/1856587019583140175
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump Cabinet picks ‘Unqualified?’

https://babylonbee.com/news/trumps-cabinet-picks-are-unqualified-says-party-of-pete-buttigieg-rachel-levine-kjp-sam-brinton?
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November 15, 2024 8:21am
imalwaysright

Headline on tv1 breakfast : “worlds largest coral found in Pacific”

Dumb fuckers
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November 15, 2024 8:22am
kowtow

Claire Trevett calls it an “eventful day” , but notes the whole thing was premeditated and planned .Including those in the public gallery who NZME notes included reps from Ngati Toa .

As such the insult to the House and the voters of NZ and the principles of representative democracy is closer to what Barry Soper calls it ; a disgrace . And he says in 40 years covering the house , this was unprecedented and he’s never seen such hatred.

We can’t start to begin to understand how we’re on such dangerous ground now , coming from these fringe extremist radicals , but along with the extremist Maori Labour MP’s .

Labour voted not to censure Clark , that’s an insult to the Speaker and the House .

btw I also think we’ve hit “peak haka” and it symbolises , what it always has done , hatred and violence , and should be consigned to the rubbish heap it belongs on .
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November 15, 2024 8:23am
Damocles11

‘A $20 access fee for some of our most iconic destinations?
The Government is floating the idea of charging visitors – including New Zealanders – as part of two discussion documents, which Conservation Minister Tama Potaka calls the biggest potential changes in conservation in more than three decades.’

Get stuffed. Get stuffed. Charging New Zealanders to visit iconic places in our own country? This is what they mean by ‘growing the economy’ and ‘getting back in track’: ordinary New Zealanders are to get their heads down, shut up, and work hard to pay the ‘Koha’ to our Maori overlords. A backlash is coming.
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November 15, 2024 8:24am
Surely Knott

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness….”

Universals truths that also apply to NZ. All men are created equal. We need to review the principles of government which are continually undermining that.

Because “it’s not democracy as would be understood in a purely academic sense” Kieran mcanulty. In fact it’s not democracy at all
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November 15, 2024 8:25am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZCPR. Muriel Newman.
Guest commentator, US journalist David Samuels.
Nov 6th was a dat of reckoning for the US.

https://www.nzcpr.com/a-day-of-reckoning/#more-40146
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November 15, 2024 8:26am
Hugh Jarse

It seems the TVNZ Senior manager for news content, Nivak Rodgers has taken leave to attend the carkoi. Likelihood of getting unbiased news reporting from TV One – not high
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November 15, 2024 8:32am
Chuck Bird

The stunt yesterday is a good reason why the racist Maori seats should be abolished.
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November 15, 2024 8:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Gerry Brownlee needs to HTFU.
  This is Parliament, not a rugby league clubroom.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:54am
Yvette

GOON SHOW-type Thinks: If the nation is to be decolonised, why is a deeply flawed colonial treaty not a primary target?
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November 15, 2024 8:43am
Maggy Wassilieff

Can it really be true that some of our MPs are incapable of rising to the challenge of debate in the debating chamber and must resort to a war dance?

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/11/14/david-seymour-on-the-maori-mps-haka/
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November 15, 2024 8:43am
- John Loveridge
  
  It’s like the thugs’ veto. Completely without respect for others, and incapable of rational debate, they resort to aggressive displays and standover tactics to try and shut the other side down. They’re despicable.
  
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  November 15, 2024 8:55am
- cmm
  
  A war dance it is. And that should be taken at face value – a threat of insurrection.
  
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  November 15, 2024 9:13am
Bridgenag

dear washington DC
you have no idea what’s coming. bold predictions by gatodear washington DC
you have no idea what’s coming. bold predictions by gato.

“look on my plans ye mighty and wet your pants.”

“there is no human on earth today who can bring the circus like elon can bring the circus.”

Very exciting and so wish we had this happening here

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/dear-washington-dc?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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November 15, 2024 8:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wonder if they could visit NZ for a few months?
  
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  November 15, 2024 9:27am
I remember when

Is there a degree of irony in Maori use of a hikoi when demonstrating against perceived wrongs?
Sadly, walking is something that many would benefit from.
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November 15, 2024 8:47am
Bridgenag

New Data Exposes the Corruption Behind the COVID Response
It’s time for COVID accountability so this can never happen again

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/new-data-exposes-the-corruption-behind?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Donald Trump has only been elected for 2 days and RFK Jr is already working on making America healthy again.

https://x.com/magaresource/status/1854539766492262817?s=48&t=KfK3FEL6udYDD-HY_CkQNA
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November 15, 2024 8:47am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I agree with his views on nutrition. Shame about the anti vaxx idiocy..
  
  But what is going to do? Has any government in the history of mankind changed the eating habits of a population? Short of engineering a famine I guess.
  
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  November 15, 2024 9:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  RFK jr’s Democrat relatives must be spitting tacks!
  Melting down?
  
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  November 15, 2024 9:49am
oldpark

I did hear that the National /NZ First Partys idea to support the first reading of David Seymour Bill was just a tit for tat idea emulating a similar situation performed by Helen Clark Labour Government in 2005 .Just Saying .
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November 15, 2024 8:48am
Clyde

No matter which side you are on and what you might believe in, yesterday’s charade in Parliament was an utter disgrace.

Willie Jackson is largely an uneducated simpleton racist who spits and slathers. But he is the first man up to put Labour’s case. That says it all. The Greens are no better. They can’t figure out whether their main support base are some people living in Gaza or maori gangs.

But the Maori Party are nothing other than vile racist thugs who have reverted to the sort of behaviour seen during the musket wars. They represent division, anarchy and the rule of the violent.

National have not had the courage to reverse the nonsense started by Palmer in the 70’s and this can only lead to one of two things. National supporters leaving in droves to support ACT and violence coming from the radical maori rabble, OR National continue to weaken their response to separatism thus enabling the radical maori rabble to take further steps to divide the country.
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November 15, 2024 8:55am
- cmm
  
  “No matter which side you are on and what you might believe in, yesterday’s charade in Parliament was an utter disgrace.”
  
  That was the point – to appeal to the racist people on the Maori roll.
  
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  November 15, 2024 9:58am
iMP

I watched the disruption of our parliament live, then again on bbc news, as this extremist racist minority Māori interest group that call themselves a “political party,” disrupted (yet again) Parliamentary debate on a bill.

There is plenty of time for debate yet these people choose to disrupt our protocols, disrespect our highest Marae and ignore the interests of the members of the house representing New Zealand. There are a greater number of Māori outside this group in the house and they were disrespected.

I’m tired of this group disrupting our process, Disrespecting our collective culture and acting like spoiled brats. I hope Gerry takes severe action as the speaker of the house to restore order. We can’t have this every time TePati Māori disagrees with something and throw their toys out of the cot.
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November 15, 2024 9:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  disrespect our highest Marae
  
  But Parliament is NOT a marae.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Parliament
  
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  November 15, 2024 9:43am
cmm

I will paraphrase what I said yesterday:
* Anyone on the Maori roll is a race activist who thinks they deserve more than the general NZer.
* TPM understand this. Willy Jackson also understands this. If you want to appeal to Maori roll voters then you need hype up the radicalism.

Unfortunately as Maori get fed the special message more and more (through general wokeness and the modern school system), we can expect more and more Maori to radicalise.

We can also see this in the effective voluntary segregation of the country. Maori in largely white areas and more prosperous areas are less militant, while those in less prosperous and with a higher Maori population are more militant.

If we cannot get rid of the ToW – or at least the Maori roll – then we’re on a path to destruction.
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November 15, 2024 9:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Media is keeping very coy about the close relationship between TPM and the Hikoi.
  
  https://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2024/11/14/maori-party-recruitment-march/
  
  Gisborne/Eastcoast is over 50% Maori, but it is not a hotbed of TPM activism.
  
  TPM seems on a mission to increase its base from the Auckland Urban-Tainui- Whakatoa coalition ….(trying to bring in Ngati Kahungungu and Ngati Toa).
  
  Time will tell how successful the militant TPM approach will be.
  
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  November 15, 2024 9:53am
Benedict Yu

A question for Parliamentary historians.

In all of history, has any New Zealand Government introduced a Government Bill, with the expressed intention of defeating the Bill?
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November 15, 2024 9:35am
cmm

Oh dear, the humiliation of the NZ Navy continues…

A “major factor” in the survival of the crew of the Manawanui was an islander in kayak!

So not the awesome leadership then?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360487721/kayaker-major-factor-safe-rescue-all-crew-stricken-manawanui-navy-ship
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November 15, 2024 9:53am
Benedict Yu

The Auckland mayor should do something.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360484968/grieving-husband-devastated-after-council-rejects-request-fulfil-wifes-last-wish

One guy wants to plant one native tree in a park to remember his wife because that spot was special to her.

No against the rules. 😩
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November 15, 2024 10:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How easy would it be for ACC to have an area they are regenerating with natives (e.g. Mt Albert) to include a remembrance grove planting area where folks could either partake in planting a native tree (as directed) in remembrance of a loved one , or donate a native tree to the plantings?
  
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