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artemisia

Tears and ‘devastation’ at TVNZ as coats and cloth come slightly more into line but only slightly and not anywhere close yet.

“It’s a really terrible day in a year of terrible days for them,” said E tū union negotiation specialist Michael Wood.

Terrible? Really? Don’t these news gatherers – and their bosses – take a bit of notice of news right under their noses? It’s their day job after all. Revenue has been falling sharply since January 2022, though that follows a big rise in 2021 ($311mill to $340mill). Revenue was steady 2016 to 2020 though the article fudges (deliberately) this big rise by referring to ‘consistently’, which it wasn’t. It was a one off in 2021.

Where the state broadcaster consistently commanded annual advertising revenue of between $310m-$341m a year until as recently as 2023, that fell sharply last year to just $289m.

Revenue numbers from the chart in the Herald today, paywalled.
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November 8, 2024 8:03am
- Flossie
  
  Shall we explain it to them again? Provide news without an obvious bias, and get rid of the Manglish. That way you just might encourage a few ex viewers to watch again. Advertisers won’t buy time the way things currently are.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:28am
  - wisteria
    
    Shouldn’t it be called Pidgin Maori ?
    
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    November 8, 2024 8:44am
  - Aquarius
    
    Totally agree; used to listen to RNZ and watch TVNZ. Could (almost) cope with the constant left whinge, but then came the pidgin including in the ads for products clearly not aimed at me; eg McDonalds, KFC etc
    so now I suffer through the ads on ZB !
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:31am
- Ian
  
  They are cutting their own throats. They put up programmes on TVNZ+ at the same time as they show them on their free to air channel. The free to air channel has long commercial breaks, TVNZ+ doesn’t. so why would you not watch on TVNZ+. But for a revenue stream of paid advertisers, why would an advertiser think they are going to get value for money of viewers if TVNZ free to air is driving them away? No wonder revenue is falling…
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:10am
  - Local Miller
    
    Are you sure TVNZ+ doesn’t have adverts? I’ve watched this on the odd occasion on my iPad and I recall seeing adverts.
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:35am
- Grunter
  
  TVNZ is a ‘zombie’ organisation (walking dead).
  
  It is beyond repair and beyond being sold for any $ amount.
  
  Come on National – face reality, close it down, stop the bleeding. Taxpayers can not afford this liability.
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:10am
  - pdm
    
    Grunter I think you need to say:
    `Come on Coalition Government!!!’
    
    If ACT and NZFirst do not drive this nothing will happen because of PM Luxon’s `be nice to everyone’ plan.
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:34am
  - Mike
    
    Care to estimate what the government is currently spending to operate TVNZ?
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:35am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

After the Election, 12 things that happen next.

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-is-now-president-elect-here-are-the-9-things-that-happen-next?
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November 8, 2024 8:04am
- redeye
  
  Here’s what’s really happening.
  https://x.com/i/bookmarks?post_id=1854087029753053640
  
  Project 2025 isn’t coming but agenda Agenda47 is, which is the official plan “To Dismantle the Deep State and Return Power to the American People.”
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:30am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Already the Dems and their Woke Racist Elite supporters are preparing to do battle again.
  However I have hope that hard working tax payers who value freedom and the largest group in most Western countries will look at the US and rally behind a Party that will drive out Wokeism Racisim anti-thought and anti-speech and put the Elites back in their box.
  The US has shown it can be done.
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:00am
  - Mike
    
    Please define ‘elites’ in a way that excludes Trump,
    Vance and their billionaire supporters.
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

What an indictment on the quality of education children from the wrong side of the tracks are receiving.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/who-is-getting-into-medical-school-and-health-courses-study-shows-affirmative-actions-successes-and-failures/S5FAAHGW45H2HDWHU54C3QP2F4/

Over the last 30 years, there had been no shift in the rate of students from the lowest decile schools (8.5%) or the areas with the highest deprivation levels (1.8%).

“That also gives pause for reflection,” Crampton said. “Structures of opportunity are heavily stratified in our society and that, from my point of view, is alarming and a matter of concern.”

Crampton said there had been relatively little deliberate effort made to attract students from poorer backgrounds. It required engaging with students early in their schooling and supporting them through to the completion of their degree, he said.
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November 8, 2024 8:07am
- cmm
  
  I don’t think you can really blame the educators.
  
  “Crampton said there had been relatively little deliberate effort made to attract students from poorer backgrounds.”
  
  Well, yes, the focus has been on race. Therefore a Maori kid from a professional family in the leafy suburbs gets the nod over a white kid from the blue collar end of town.
  
  By far the biggest challenge with education is to get the kids (and their whole family) in a position where they want little Jimmy to do well at school and become a doctor, engineer or whatever.
  
  If Little Jimmy is raised in a household with 4 generations of labourers and meat workers then chances are he is fed a constantly negative view of professional people, academic excellence etc.
  
  While, generally, Asians want their kids to do better than they do no matter their current position, and so do most white and Maori professionals the same does not apply to blue collar whites and Maori.
  
  Most blue collar whites and Maori feed their kids nonsense about “acting white” or “so you think you’re better than the rest of us” etc.
  
  On top of that there is natural intelligence. IQ. IQ is somewhat inherited. IQ is not evenly distributed through the population.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:49am
- 7kiwi11
  
  So if your poor, white and male being a Doctor is but a dream.
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:15am
Yvette

“Treaty” – again
A Waitangi Tribunal report, provided to the Guardian, said “if this bill were to be enacted, it would be the worst, most comprehensive breach of the Treaty … in modern times. If the bill remained on the statute book for a considerable time or was never repealed, it could mean the end of the Treaty.”
The Tribunal said the redefined principles would limit Māori rights and Crown obligations, hinder Māori access to justice, undermine social cohesion, reduce the constitutional status of the treaty, and was in breach of the current principles.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/07/treaty-of-waitangi-new-zealand-founding-document-changes-bill

The Waitangi Tribunal report was not “provided” to me – but I just looked it up –

Ngā Mātāpono/The Principles: Part II of the Interim Report
Wai 3300 – Tomokia ngā tatau o Matangireia – the Constitutional Kaupapa Inquiry
https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/WT/wt_DOC_221817323/Nga%20Matapono%20Ch6%20W.pdf.

I have not yet read it’s 122 pages

Meanwhile the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill is here –
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2024/0094/latest/whole.html

Summarised by AI –

Chat AI – please summarise the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill into about 200 words –

The purpose of this Act is to formally incorporate the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi into New Zealand legislation, requiring these principles to guide the interpretation of relevant laws. Key definitions include “historical Treaty claims” and “Treaty settlement Acts,” which reference prior laws addressing Māori claims and rights, such as the Ngā Mana Whenua o Tāmaki Makaurau Collective Redress Act and the Māori Commercial Aquaculture Claims Settlement Act.

The Act establishes three main principles from the Treaty:
(1) The New Zealand government holds full authority to govern for the collective welfare, upholding rule of law and democratic values;
(2) The Crown will respect and protect the rights of Māori iwi and hapū, as recognized at the time of the Treaty’s signing, though these rights may be subject to interpretation through historical claims; and
(3) Equality before the law, ensuring equal protection and human rights for all without discrimination.

The Act mandates that these principles should be used to interpret relevant laws unless specifically exempted (e.g., Treaty settlement Acts). It also clarifies that it does not alter the original text of the Treaty of Waitangi.

And it actually looks like Christopher Luxon in various statements has independently corroborated each of these points, just not exactly in the same context.–

During Question Time, Green Co-Leader Chloe Swarbrick pushed him on the issue multiple times, asking “does the prime minister believe that Māori ceded sovereignty?”
Luxon responded saying “our position is the Crown is sovereign.”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/525689/the-crown-is-sovereign-prime-minister-christopher-luxon-says

“I have always believed Article 2 gives all New Zealanders the right of determination over their lives and their properties,” he said.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/treaty-principles-bill-pm-christopher-luxon-responds-after-open-letter-from-more-than-400-church-leaders/77JYMB5WZRAEBMF77VGI55RJXE/.

So Christopher Luxon seems to believe –

The Crown is sovereign and the Treaty gives all New Zealanders the right of determination over their lives and their properties

See? – simpler and even shorter
( sorry, this comment wasn’t )
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November 8, 2024 8:08am
- fernglas
  
  In my view, Principle/Article 3 has been badly misconstrued. In Sir Hugh Kawharu’s translation of the Treaty, it provided ” …. the Queen of England will protect all the ordinary people of New Zealand and will give them the same rights and duties of citizenship as the people of England.”
  One of the duties of citizenship of the people of England was to be subject to the sovereignty of the Crown. The notion of giving rights has ignored the reciprocal obligation of imposing (and accepting) duties. That should be explicitly stated.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:49am
  - Yvette
    
    Likewise, Fernglas, totally misconstrued is that the Treaty is a Founding Document, but is between Maori and the Crown, and does not address the other 82 percent of non-Maori New Zealanders, which is little bit of a bugger. They should perhaps be explicitly stated.
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:38am
- Grunter
  
  “Yes, I agree with all of that, but hey, I’m a soft-cock, so I don’t want to rock the boat and support this Treaty Bill”
  Christopher Luxon
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:25am
  - Yvette
    
    So, harden up just a little and don’t do it in the waka – waka ever you do
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

America unburdens itself.

https://babylonbee.com/news/america-unburdens-itself-from-what-has-been?
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November 8, 2024 8:08am
- Scott
  
  Kamala was an awful candidate and underperformed Joe Biden in 2020 everywhere. Watch Jake Tapper get the stunning news from the CNN analyst –
  
  https://x.com/i/status/1854056504044744735
  
  Kamala should have improved the Democrat vote on Joe Biden somewhere right? But literally nothing. Not one county improved. There is joy in watching Jake Tapper getting absolutely stunned! 😄
  
  This was an amazing repudiation of Kamala and the Democrats everywhere.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:19am
Matt Long

What effect did the Pennsylvania Dutch have on the election? One thing that energised them to come out to vote for Trump was the illegal raid on an Amish natural products farm.
https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Famish-farmer-turned-republican-hero-sparks-protest-over-raw-milk-1874834&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4
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November 8, 2024 8:11am
- Matt Long
  
  By contrast the incoming Trump Administration has tapped Joel Salatin, natural foods growing guru as an advisor to their prospective Agriculture Secretary.
  https://www.thelunaticfarmer.com/blog/11/6/2024/celebration
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Political noise. Amish will not be the only ones selling raw milk.
  Here on the Shore I know of two just on the way to Mangawhai.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:30am
  - Mike
    
    Enjoy some salmonella with that delicious raw milk.
    
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    November 8, 2024 8:37am
    - pdm
      
      Mike as a kid growing up I drank milk straight from the cow into a (not the cleanest) mug a few times a week in the cow bail.
      
      Never ever had salmonella or any similar illness.
      
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      November 8, 2024 9:12am
  - AitchW
    
    I’m not sure what raw milk sales in NZ have to do with the American election.
    Amish farms selling raw milk were raided prior to the election which would not have made them especially kindly disposed to the government of the day.
    Perhaps you’d like to explain what the correlation is?
    
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    November 8, 2024 8:52am
- peterwn
  
  “Pennsylvania Agriculture Department learned Miller’s products had been linked to E. coli outbreaks in two other states.” As things stand this would be the complete answer for why the raids occurred. This is particularly in the light of people getting ill from eating McDonalds quarter pounders where it seemed onion was contaminated with E-coli.
  I am somewhat surprised that with the advances in science and food technology there are not alternative methods of ensuring milk is safe without the need for ‘brute force’ pasteurisation. It might be that the farmers in question and the regulators are so culturally set in their ways that they cannot devise a system to enable unpasteurised milk to be used safely.
  In the McDonalds case I have not seen any mention of McDonalds doing anything proactive to assist the victims of E-coli poisoning apart from just being prepared to deal with forthcoming lawsuits. This is similar intransigence shown by McDonalds when suing those activists in London some years ago. McDonalds scored a narrow partial legal victory but suffered a major PR disaster in that case, so much so that they abandoned any attempt to enforce payment of the modest damages awarded (and the Metropolitan Police settled for £20,000 for improperly giving McDonalds security people information that enabled the two to be identified and sued).
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:42am
  - Mike
    
    Two good films:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_(film)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Food_Nation_(film)
    
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    November 8, 2024 8:58am
- Im Right
  
  Actually should read ‘Pennsyvania Germans’…..when they first arrived they were asked where they were from, their nationality, ‘Deuchland’ was the answer (Germany in German) locals heard ‘Dutchland’ and it’s been that way ever since.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

On “The View” (Breakfast TV1) David Seymour had to correct Clarkson’s first loaded question. She was going to try and walk all over him – no such luck.
He was even asked why the date had been brought forward, and corrected again. It was the Waitangi Tribunal who aske for a date.
The Bill will end up before a Select Committee so New Zealanders can make submissions, so Luxon will not be able to stop that. He might not support it, but that just shows his childish arrogance.
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November 8, 2024 8:13am
- kowtow
  
  There’s a Deep State type element in the Nats that is very pro “Maori” issues , that sets it against the general electorate .
  Strange , but it’s very real and seems to be very influential.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:29am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Or perhaps Luxons successful management experience and decades of managing thousands of people, directing them all to achieve his vision and goals, has brought him to dispassionately conclude that changing the constitution of a country is best done over a longer period of time.
    
    Place the idea into the minds of NZers then wait for the public to demand a referendum. That way Maori descent cam be batted away much easier, and a citizen initiated referendum makes the treaty principals legislation much harder (politicaly) for Labour to reverse.
    
    [Mod – fixed]
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:18am
    - pdm
      
      Good thought MH.
      
      I suggest every submission supporting The Treaty Principles Bill requests a binding referendum be held at the time of the next (2026) election.
      
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      November 8, 2024 9:43am
- imalwaysright
  
  Luxon’s Principles? Bill.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:37am
- Mike
  
  Luxon could stop that, if he wished. He has consistently stuck to the coalition agreement re supporting a first reading of this brain fart. National and Labour will vote to kill the nonsense after the usual suspects have let off a bit of steam.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:41am
  - AitchW
    
    Mike, why do you object to a clear, unequivocal definition of the principles of the treaty?
    Would you embrace such a bill if it were to be introduced by one of the parties on the left?
    Can it not be a good thing to have the principles clearly annunciated to avoid costly and time consuming court action in the future?
    Do you believe it to be racist, and if so can you tell us why?
    Or is this, perhaps, a New Zealand version of “Orange man bad”?
    Speaking of the orange man, don’t you just love democracy?
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:17am
- AitchW
  
  God. TVNZ staffers wailing about upcoming cuts and yet they persevere with their unabashed bias to the left.
  I thought that turkeys didn’t vote for an early Christmas, clearly I was wrong.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:55am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    I think the bias it so deeply ingrained that unless TVNZ is completely dismantled and re-built from the ground up it will continue the downward slope.
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:23am
- peterwn
  
  David Seymour is following in the best traditions of vacuum cleaner salesmen. You get your foot in the door ………
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:17am
Matt Long

For nearly 400 hundred days this innocent girl has been held hostage by Islamist Terrorists and the UN and Biden’s administration has done nothing.
https://x.com/heart_israeli/status/1854502754359648405
Trump has given them until his inauguration to release her, the Hamas hugging is over.
https://x.com/TheMossadIL/status/1854487008069968363
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November 8, 2024 8:20am
- Mike
  
  The US has done nothing? Only if you count unrestricted military assistance to Israel as ‘nothing’.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:42am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Biden (after an interpreter has turned his slurring into English): “Don’t go into Rafah though Bibi. There’s nothing to see there.”
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:21am
    - Mike
      
      US presidents foolishly think they have some control over their client state, when the reverse is true.
      
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      November 8, 2024 9:31am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.20am, two bikes in the rack. O happy day!

A calm, coolish, still morning in the Capital, ideal for cycling.
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November 8, 2024 8:22am
- pdm
  
  2 Bikes on the rack Bollocks!!!
  
  Dear amazed – is that a record?
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:29am
  - AitchW
    
    Mayor Whanau and some other impoverished public servant forced to sell their car to make ends meet perhaps?
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:01am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Remember Wellington’s civil servants were very very upset yesterday and took a collective “mental health” day off. Of course on full pay (they call it working from home), and most have to make an unscheduled appearance in the office on the Friday instead.
    
    That’s the reason why the bike count has skyrocketed from zero to two.
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:37am
- Bobba Fret
  
  MSM would report that as a 100% increase in cycling since new bike rack installed.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bikes owned by the Council just for looks?
  I did suggest the Council may do it.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:35am
  - Mike
    
    All of the bike racks are part of the conspiracy, Steve. Over 60% of ‘commuting’ cyclists are paid climate crisis actors.
    
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    November 8, 2024 8:45am
    - RightNow
      
      So, at least 3?
      
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      November 8, 2024 9:34am
- Matt Long
  
  Has anyone seen any bikes on the bus racks that are now illegal because of safety concerns.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/bike-racks-on-buses-banned-in-hawkes-bay-were-very-disappointed-to-be-forced-into-this/GZLBP7KJSRFKRA6XB7LFI2X3OY/
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:39am
  - peterwn
    
    NZR Road Services buses used to have hooks mounted on the front for pushchairs (there were no spaces for pushchairs, wheelchairs etc inside the buses then). Obstructing headlights would not have been an issue as it would be unlikely that passengers would want to carry pushchairs after dark.
    
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    November 8, 2024 8:47am
  - Taieri
    
    Has anyone seen any bikes on the bus racks that are now illegal because of safety concerns
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    Saw one yesterday. Not sure whether the rack was legal or illegal but a bike was placed on it.
    
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    November 8, 2024 8:53am
Matt Long

Abortion and STD clinics beg for government support as liberal women pledge to withhold sex as punishment for electing Trump.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91224625/what-is-the-4b-movement-women-practice-no-sex-in-a-quest-to-regain-rights-post-election
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November 8, 2024 8:25am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Those will be the women that have full beards and adams apples Matt. Or are mad cat ladies….
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:28am
- artemisia
  
  No sex? These women might not be too keen on what happens next.
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:38am
- Mike
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata
  
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  November 8, 2024 8:47am
  - Flossie
    
    If you put up links without any description of what it’s about there is no way I’m wasting my expensive data on opening them.
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:44am
- Yvette
  
  Matt, is this sex ban a punishment, or just endeavouring to avoid pregnancies under Trump (so to speak)
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:08am
- imalwaysright
  
  Odd that these types portray themselves as intelligent and aware, yet they seem unable to avoid getting pregnant.
  
  Its not rocket science.
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:32am
- RightNow
  
  Yuss! Put Planned Parenthood out of business 😄
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:35am
Bimbo

The Treaty Principles Bill is out in its final form prior to debate and public submissions.

As expected, it’s engendered intense objection from a section of Maoridom. I was looking at some of the names involved in the protest movement. It includes old trougher “Underpants” Morgan. Of course the troughers will line up. They fear losing their payouts and government bribes to allow things to happen.

There’s going to be yet another boring hikoi from up north to Wellington. I assume most of the hikoi don’t work. Probably on benefits or involved in the government-funded grievance industry.

I was suspicious of Act’s intentions, initially very against the bill. I’ve come to change my mind. I think this could be a conversation long overdue. A learning process for many.

Whatever Act’s intention we’re going to be immersed in treaty stuff. We’ll all become better informed by the end of this.

Even, as promised by the Nats and NZF, the bill dies after the first select committee hearing this won’t be the end of it.

Act will campaign strongly on it again in 2026 if there seems a very strong desire from the people to further define the treaty. I strongly suspect there will.

Of course this is driving a section of Maoridom absolutely bananas but we do live in a democracy where free and open speech isn’t yet forbidden.

Nobody is advocating killing the treaty. It’s been meddled with by the courts for the past 50 years with probably the best of intentions.

Why not have a discussion all New Zealanders can read, see, be part of or listen to? Why not try to cement the original real intentions of the treaty in codified law?

This is really only beginning. It’s not going away despite the wishes of some. Why are they scared of us all being able to be involved?

I strongly support the Maori version of the Treaty. It’s what gives legitimacy to our nation. Maori dearly wanted the treaty. They dearly wanted the crown to protect them from the depredations of the whites and their land-grabbing agents like the New Zealand Company.

Maori saw what the European brought to the table. They liked what they saw and wanted to be part of it. By 1840 many Maori had travelled internationally. They’d seen European society. They liked what they saw. Remember life was pretty short and hard for most Maori back then.

They’d just emerged from about 20 years of exterminating each other in the Musket Wars and knew it had to stop.

The Brits actually didn’t want yet another colony. They were expensive to run. But they agreed to instil British law here mostly to stop the wars and the NZ Company’s thieving. But also to protect Maori.

Bring on the discussion. Our country is strong enough for it. We are becoming so part of each other it’s time.
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- pdm
  
  `I assume most of the hikoi don’t work. Probably on benefits or involved in the government-funded grievance industry.’
  
  They sure as hell won’t be paid out of any Iwi money received through Treaty Settlements. Notwithstanding that Ngapuhi have not settled because they cannot agree on who negotiates for them.
  
  That Treaty Settlement dosh is reserved for the elite Maori.
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:18am
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    The fact that Ngapuhi cannot agree within themselves is the sign that the tribes did not agree across the board pre 1840 (and post) and as such the TOW saved them from their Musket War fates.
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:22am
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  Te Maori Elites are packing a massive tantrum after coming so close to realising all their dreams coming true under the Ardern Labour Govt and it’s successor although Hipkins saw the writing on the wall once Jacksons/Maori Caucus He Puapua nonsense became Public Knowledge. They sowed the seeds of this Bill themselves and now it will get legs for a “Binding” Referendum as it should. The vast Majority of NZers have had enough of the Treaty nonsense with good reason. It is time to move on. The most important part of the Treaty is “We are now one people”. The End.
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:29am
Benedict Yu

Serious question. Why doesn’t the government close it? Or sell it for $1? What exactly is the issue?

If there is a market failure in “New Zealand audio visual news”, the government could put it out to tender. A bunch of journalists club together and offer to provide news covering a region. Small subsidy for public interest stories. In English.

The TVNZ “news” is just cringe. Even the weather report makes my blood pressure rise.
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November 8, 2024 9:31am
Benedict Yu

Now many USA government employees are busy today deleting their pronouns from their email signatures? 😃
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November 8, 2024 9:32am
- imalwaysright
  
  Hopefully Musk will adopt Vivek Ramaswamy’s idea of how to cull the public disservice – tell everyone whose social security number is even that they are no longer employed.
  
  Maybe we could try that here.
  Then the following week we could do the odd numbers.
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:44am
- artemisia
  
  Election results from DC and Virginia indicate swamp territory.
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:52am
Ghost

I was watching some youtube clips last night from USA election, it made me realise how quiet it is here

We don’t have the prime ministers partner running to the media to explain what the prime minister said or meant. No tweets from the partner telling new Zealanders what to do. No tweets saying what was meant by the prime minister. No acting like you are more than just the partner. Strangley no tv shows hosted by the partner either. Peace and quiet.
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November 8, 2024 9:42am
- Flossie
  
  Didn’t we have something like that on occasion from our recent so-called first man?
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:47am
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  Ghostie – do you mean like Mr Helen Clark (Peter Davies) used to do under his own name, without disclosure, back in the early 2000’s?
  
  Or even Michael Cullen’s wife who used to do the same under her maiden name Anne Collins – also without disclosure.
  
  Or maybe Jacinda’s Fiancee in more recent times.
  
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  November 8, 2024 9:52am
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    Strange it’s always the labour partners
    
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    November 8, 2024 9:59am
Bridgenag

My Letter to RFKjr
He has an extraordinary opportunity to be a MAJOR contributor

“To our profound detriment, what has replaced real Science is political Science. What that means is that technical matters are dealt with based on political correctness, on virtue signaling, on who profits, etc. None of these have anything to do with real Science, or what is in the best interest of the public and our country.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/criticallythinking/p/my-letter-to-rfkjr?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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