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Conservatarian

“We just didn’t call Trump a Nazi enough”
“We just didn’t harangue men enough”
“We just didn’t hide Harris enough”
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November 7, 2024 8:01am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Some random observations.
  
  1. The Black woman commentator on CNN saying it was non-college educated black and white guys that defeated Kamala.
  2. CNN refusing to call a State until 100% of the vote had been counted denying defeat.
  3. Trumps victory speech giving credit to his supporters and laying out a bright future for the country.
  
  This was a victory of the workers over the Elites. It was a defeat of the Woke the Racists and those who would control thought and speech and tell the dumb arses who to vote for.
  I hope Luxon and the Nats take note and can the Woke and Racist nonsense in NZ.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:52am
  - RoboRob
    
    Luxon would do well to look at how standing up for your principals and not being afraid to offend can, and will work for you in the political environment.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:16am
    - Groggy
      
      That would work but Luxon doesn’t have any principles. As his children are adult he probably doesn’t interact with principals any longer either.
      
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      November 7, 2024 10:14am
      - RoboRob
        
        Lol 🙂
        
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        November 7, 2024 11:16am
  - Cassandra
    
    Alan Dershowitz: What we need now is a Lincolnesque approach to bringing a divided nation together, with malice toward none and charity toward all. It’s a tall order, especially for Trump. But if he succeeds, his legacy will be secure and the world will be better off. This is his greatest challenge. It’s up to him to meet it with strength and magnanimity.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:10am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Good idea Cass, unfortunately the demographic that hate Trump are largely beyond reasoning.
      They also have a significant anti American bent that is indicative of their mentality of embracing contrarianism at the expense of even their own wellbeing.
      They are basically marxist fodder, but they are too thick to realise it.
      
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      November 7, 2024 11:40am
- Frank the tank
  
  “We just didn’t have a decent candidate”
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  And the people are anti women or she would have bolted in, hahaha
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:07am
- alphabeatrium
  
  I heard on RNZ this morning a despondent Democrat saying “we tried so hard to educate them” during the campaign… That seems to be the attitude of many on the left, namely that their opponents are simply less intelligent. Such a sanctimonious attitude can only strengthen the resolve of people on the fence to support the Republicans, because they don’t treat you like you’re stupid.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:17am
- RightNow
  
  They should never have killed Peanut the squirrel!
  
  Squirrel gatecrashes Kamala’s concession speech 8D
  
  https://x.com/paintsaints/status/1854274167753077112
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:43am
  - Local Miller
    
    I wonder if that squirrel was planted
    
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    November 7, 2024 12:10pm
- Handyman
  
  It was an unusual situation in the presidential race where two former presidents (OK Harris by proxy) face off and voters can remember life under each.
  
  One group were much better off under Biden/Harris, but more people were better off under Trump.
  As Muldoon used to say “people vote with one hand on their wallet”.
  
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  November 7, 2024 3:43pm
- greybeard
  
  All of those endless polls were rubbish: when it came down to the nitty-gritty, and having to make a choice , it was easy:
  
  “Do I want a black woman to be the President of the United States of America, the most powerful nation on earth ?”
  
  And for most people the answer was “NO”.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:30pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

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So, in a two horse race, Americans have just elected as President a convicted, erratic, pussy grabbing liar.

Makes you reflect on how bad the other candidate was.
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November 7, 2024 8:01am
- Kiwiguy
  
  To me it shows that people put the candidates aside and considered the policies instead.
  If only that happened in NZ when Jacinda was elected…
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:34am
  - RoboRob
    
    YES. Trump won despite his obvious personal failings. In the end his policy agenda and lack of being a professional politician won it for him.
    
    Kamala lost, in part, because she was such a professional politician that nobody could get a straight answer out of her as to where she stood. They then projected their own worst fears onto her.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:18am
  - Flossie
    
    But she had such wonderful policies…and she saved tens of thousands of lives…..
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:21am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    The thing about that is, NZ did that in 2017, and National got the largest share of the vote.
    
    and Winston anointed Jacinda, and screwed the country.
    
    and we voted him back in one term later, and we should not have done so.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:30am
- kowtow
  
  Call him all the names you like , but look at the various past candidates that the Elites consider so much better and look at their legacy of how many failed states ( with all the attendant human misery and suffering) across N Africa and the ME they created , and they get off Scot free ( along with Blair).
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:25am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yep,
    Kill one man and you get 20 years in jail.
    Kill a million men and you get a knighthood.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:49am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Downticked to oblivion – I thought KBloggers were more sophisticated than that.
  
  All of the adjectives used to describe Donald Trump are accurate – if anyone thinks otherwise, then lay it out.
  
  In fact, my comment was more of an oblique reference to just how bad a candidate was Kamala Harris.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:39am
  - Don Beckett
    
    No, you deserved to be downticked to oblivion. You simply repeated all the Democrat/MSM talking points that attempted to denigrate Trump out of the race, most of which were lies. And you should know that the conviction was just a political attack on Trump, which had been totally disproven at a previous court case.
    So on that point, you were Full of Bollocks.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:35am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Nevermind,
    Downticks are merely a boo from the hecklers at the back of the room.
    The only ones that matter are those who reply with a counter argument.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:58am
  - Ra Henare
    
    I will take up the challenge. Bollocks.
    As always there needs to be context.
    
    You say. Americans have just elected as President a convicted, erratic, pussy grabbing liar.
    
    Context.
    All politicians lie. So on that basis. Trump is normal.
    
    Convicted in a Democrat inspired sham trial, which is currently under appeal. So he may end up not being convicted.
    
    Erratic.(changes his mind) Yep, like all Politicians who change their minds.
    Was in John Maynard Keyes who put changing one’s mind in to perspective?
    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/353440-when-the-facts-change-i-change-my-mind—what
    
    Pussy grabbing. Oh dear you got captured by a 2005 (nearly 20 yeras ago) Report of Trump saying off camera to a reporter.
    
    Trump: “Yeah that’s her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful… I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything.”
    
    Bush: “Whatever you want.”
    
    Trump: “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”
    
    https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321
    
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    November 7, 2024 3:37pm
- Im Right
  
  @ NMTB – Kamala was a walking train wreck…EVERY interview was a disaster (with ‘friendly’ interviewers on friendly networks).
  She could not even answer simple questions “I was brought up middle class….blah blah” when asked how she will fix the economy
  “Trump….Trump…Trump” was her answer to how she is going to fix the border.
  Interviewer:
  “What would you do different when president to what Biden has been doing”
  Kamala “Nothing different”
  See why they kept her hidden, see why Trump has a clean sweep now??
  Probably not, and this is why Trump is now president.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:48am
  - Kiwiguy
    
    Agreed. She was just awful to watch and listen to. Nearly made me throw up.
    Trump is weird to watch, sure, but not nearly as unpalatable as Cackling Kamala.
    
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    November 7, 2024 12:03pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Convicted of what ffs, what he did was a simple valuation arrangement which is done by businesses daily, never before has a person been charged let alone found guilty of a simple well established business arrangement
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:10am
  - Geri Sjovik
    
    They keep banging on about him being a convicted felon. Yet, when pushed, they can’t actually state what the felony was.
    
    Trump must not be magnanimous in victory. If he doesn’t hammer these charletons and liars into the ground they will rise again to attack the next candidate.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:56am
- Ghost
  
  You should see the guy they elected last time.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:13am
- redeye
  
  Who’s pussy did he grab?
  I only know of Stormy Daniels and it seems she was a well paid willing participant,
  
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  November 7, 2024 12:20pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    The grab a pussy “”thing”” is not based on a fact. But on a comment he made in 2005!!!!
    https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321
    
    Context.
    Think The Apprentice. Which started in 2004 and made Trump a TV Celebrity.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(American_TV_series)
    
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    November 7, 2024 3:42pm
rouppe

Now that the election is over in the USA, a couple of thoughts.

1. It’s good that it’s an unequivocal result. Well over the Electoral college threshold, and the popular vote as well.

2. Some of the things that were said were utterly disgraceful. I saw Oprah Winfrey say that “if you don’t vote for Harris, it is entirely possible we will never get to vote ever again”. What an outrageous thing to promulgate. She ought to be excoriated for that.
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November 7, 2024 8:01am
- sirknz
  
  There is a small but growing contingent of women in the US asking to repeal the 19th Amendment.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:39am
  - rouppe
    
    A small but growing contingent of women in the US asking to lose the right to vote?
    
    Where are you seeing that?
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:27am
- imalwaysright
  
  Regardless of the win, I hope voting fraud is fully investigated and the perpetrators jailed.
  The next election depends on it.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:41am
- RoboRob
  
  Joy read and the team at CNBC were saying they feared being sent to the gulags if Trump won. Disgusting.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:21am
  - rouppe
    
    Last time he was president they said he’d – probably accidentally because he’s so stupid – press the nuclear button and cause a nuclear war. They said he’d institute gulags. That he’d suspend elections. That women, or blacks, or Latino, or all of them, would lose rights, be locked up, rounded up.
    
    None of that happened. It’s incredible they’ve trotted out much the same lines.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:31am
    - RoboRob
      
      Americans aren’t stupid. Eventually you realise that every Rep candidate (Bush, Romney, McCain, Trump) cant all be hitler.
      
      The bonus Trump had this time was he had already been president and not dont most of waht they claimed.
      
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      November 7, 2024 10:13am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        What I always laugh at is when the Old Hitler is brought out of retirement and the public informed that he wasn’t so bad after all – not like the New Hitler.
        
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        November 7, 2024 10:28am
      - RoboRob
        
        @Tom
        
        Yeah!!! My fav was McCain who went from Hitler to hero when he sided with the Dems on some policy.
        
        Not to overlook the Cheneys who moved from worse then Hitler to national heroes that you campaign with!
        
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        November 7, 2024 11:21am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        McCain is classic of the old pre-Trump Republican, including dealing with the MSM. Back in 2000 he was the cats whiskers with the MSM and loved it – apparently not realising that it was because they hated Bush.
        
        As a result, eight years later when he faced off against Obama he was shell-shocked to discover that they had a new love, and even better because he was a Democrat, and that they could treat McCain with utter contempt.
        
        Nice to see that J D Vance represents a whole new attitude to the MSM, and he’s better at smashing them than Trump is.
        
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        November 7, 2024 1:24pm
  - rockape
    
    They are not that significant.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:05am
- freemark
  
  Elephant in the room. This result almost overwhelmingly proves the Election cheat by Dems, MSM & electoral bureaucracy in 2020.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:22am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Apparently she got 67 million votes and he got 72 million.
    That doesn’t ring true if we look at the turnouts for their respective campaign events.
    Trump had many more events and many more attendees.
    I would guess that Harris got about 20 million bogus votes.
    Just my opinion, I have no evidence.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:02am
- Rich Prick
  
  And it is looking like a trifecta with 54 Senate and 223 House seats. I think that is a very clear mandate.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:51am
  - David Garrett
    
    RP: There are only 50 seats in the Senate, one for each state.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:50am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Sorry to correct you, it’s two per state.
      
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      November 7, 2024 12:03pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      There are 100 seats. Two for each state.
      
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      November 7, 2024 12:05pm
      - Vory v zakone
        
        Yes but coming in the future… One Senator for each state 😉
        
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        November 7, 2024 1:35pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Yes, but not today.
        
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        November 7, 2024 4:44pm
peterwn

Two inter-related things happening in politics. There is a big row about Ministers and Government rejecting Departmental advice especially respect to tobacco products. There are health ‘experts’ in the Ministry of Health who are pretty miffed that Casey Costello has thrown their advice in the bin and is going about things her sweet way (with support from many quarters apart from some Labour and Green MP’s). I incidentally side with Casey’s approach, she is considering the wider picture rather than the narrow basis of the advice provided). It needs to be remembered it is the Ministers who are in charge, not officials in Ministries. Norm Kirk bluntly pointed this out when he became PM in 1972 and told his new Ministers not to take any nonsense from Departments (he was extremely suspicious of officials since they had served 12 years under Kiwi Keith’s government). So Chris Hipkins and his people conveniently forget this when they are not in power and instead question all the way about Casey ignoring official advice. I have never seen the tobacco business thrashed so thorougly in Question Time over the last weeks with the questions ceasing yesterday (the Treaty business no doubt now taking priority). The PSA has now stepped in effectively expressing concern that public servants are no longer ruling the roost (no such concern would be expressed if a left wing government is in power – go figure).
Allied to this, Labour seem to perceive that Casey is the most vulnerable link in the Coalition and would line nothing better than to see the Coalition disintegrate so either Labour/Green/TPM can form a coalition with Winston (which would be as unstable as a radioactive isotope) or an election (which would be inevitable whether a left wing coalition manages to get together or not). The Left would no doubt like to see Casey crack under the strain and relinquish her portfolios or apply so much pressure that the PM removes her from her portfolios. However she receives strong support from the PM and her leader Winston and this gives her the fortitude to carry on.
Chris Luxon was a master at putting together the current Coalition and will be just as masterful keeping it together and thriving.
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November 7, 2024 8:01am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  The reason labour don’t like people not following departmental advice is none of its ministers were equipped to think of things themselves so can’t fathom a minister might be competent.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:06am
  - imalwaysright
    
    That’s correct AM.
    Look at how many times ministers of the previous regime were asked easy questions about their portfolios and could only stare blankly.
    They were a lazy, uneducated, corrupt bunch of leeches.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:07am
- ChristopherW2
  
  There are good independent studies that show that known carcinogens are much lower with HTPs; the Minister is right and is doing the right thing for the health of NZers; the experts are wrong and are the ones who are bowing to outside influence.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think the issue at hand here is an official describing in writing the minister’s ideas as “crap”. Totally unacceptable.
  
  Ministers reject the advice of their officials every day. I daresay that Grant Robertson rejected the Treasury advice on important issues for 6 years.
  
  In the case of the tobacco thing, there is nothing wrong with the Ministry constructively advising the Minister to change course. If the Minister decides to proceeed, the officials should work to their full abilities to implement the policy. I doubt that an official who emailed colleagues describing the ministers ideas as crap can do that.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I doubt that an official who emailed colleagues describing the ministers ideas as crap can do that.
    
    And that’s the point that the Greens and Chris Hipkins don’t get.
    
    A competent public servant would have alerted their boss that the information provided to the Minister was out-of-date by showing them the most recent and relevant information; if he/she can’t do this…and can only express a personal opinion that what the Minister has seen is “crap”, then our taxpayer$ $$$$ are being wasted.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:25am
  - peterwn
    
    Oops! I forgot to include that originally. I doubt that Labour/Green Ministers would have taken too kindly to their ideas being called ‘crap’ by an official. I strongly suspect it would be a ‘gone by lunchtime’ case or at least the official shuffled sideways.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:54am
  - pdm
    
    `I daresay that Grant Robertson rejected the Treasury advice on important issues for 6 years.’
    
    I think this may be more accurate BY.
    
    I daresay that Grant Robertson rejected the Treasury advice on virtually every important issue for 6 years.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:01am
- peterwn
  
  Just looked at today’s Parliamentary questions – Labour is still asking nit-picking questions of Casey. Labour must be pretty short of topics to ask questions on if it has to utilise precious questions to flog dead horses.
  
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  November 7, 2024 1:16pm
Scott

I’m just so enjoying CNN right now! This morning they interviewed a Democrat Congress woman who had to admit, “we have to do some soul searching”.

The interviewer, Erin Burnett, noted that Harris did worse with women voters than Biden! Who saw that coming? Women were supposed to vote for Kamala because she’s a woman and because abortion!
Joy Reid over at MSNBC was also very disappointed with women not voting for a woman candidate –

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/msnbc-host-joy-reid-whines-black-voters-came/

Apparently the actual women voters didn’t see it that way and instead were concerned about the economy and how to pay for the groceries! Who would have thunk it? 😆
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November 7, 2024 8:02am
- sherp
  
  If the dems hadn’t shut down Gabbard in 2020 there would have already been a woman president…. but nope they had to install a dementia patient.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:26am
- G152
  
  aljazeer actually broke with its anti Jewish propaganda and reported the US election even though their pundits were wrong from the first interview….
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:32am
  - Jack5
    
    AL Jazeeera’s running commentary was very good.
    
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    November 7, 2024 3:43pm
- RoboRob
  
  Joy Reid the stupidest person on TV, and there is tough competition. She still believes, despite all evidence, that Trump is a Russian agent.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:25am
kiwikidsnz

In other news in case it was missed in all the excitement yesterday:

Roy Morgan’s New Zealand Poll for October 2024 shows a significant swing in support with the Labour-Greens-Maori Party Parliamentary Opposition up 7% points to 48% now with a narrow lead over the National-led Government (National, ACT & NZ First) on 47% (down 8% points).
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/national-support-down-significantly-in-october-after-the-sinking-of-hmnzs-manawanui-in-samoa?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MRU%206th%20November%202024&utm_content=MRU%206th%20November%202024+CID_80e618fd7590cb070f6451722b1bd4f3&utm_source=Market%20Research%20Update&utm_term=Read%20Full%20Article
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November 7, 2024 8:03am
- peterwn
  
  So? There is not an election until 2026 so polls mean pretty well nothing at this point in the election cycle.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:31am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is still astounding.
    
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    November 7, 2024 8:35am
    - Scott
      
      Was it an outlier? You can get rogue polls where the sampling occasionally doesn’t go right.
      
      That would seem astonishing to me especially when the opposition is so poor?
      
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      November 7, 2024 8:42am
      - kiwikidsnz
        
        RM has consistently shown the Coalition ahead by a good margin since the election – until just now. Its a massive swing.
        
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        November 7, 2024 8:58am
      - mandk
        
        An outlier?
        
        Quite possibly. Just think about the Iowa poll that Dems and the lefty media were crowing about.
        
        trump was supposed to lose Iowa by 3%, but he won by 13%.
        
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        November 7, 2024 9:32am
    - peterwn
      
      I would put it down to a very astute setting of priorities by Chris Luxon. As my father would like to say ‘there is method in the madness’. Chris would want to get things done now then start working on his popularity in late 2025. His aim is to win the war, not waste time on meaningless battles.
      
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      November 7, 2024 10:00am
      - Groggy
        
        I think you are crediting him with more political nous and control than he actually has. Winston and David are running the show and he’s flapping around in their wake.
        
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        November 7, 2024 10:21am
    - Local Miller
      
      Only marginally given the non stop assault on the coalition government.
      Where was all this “holding government to account” from 2017 – 2023?
      
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      November 7, 2024 12:23pm
- Burtland
  
  the US election has shown polls are a waste of time – they have become a form of gaslighting
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:33am
  - Im Right
    
    Not so Burtland…..I strongly believe the polls were consistantly showing strong support for Trump, and binned until they got one that
    was neck n neck and put
    that one out.
    How can you spur on your supporters when polls show you will lose.
    No, much better to show a fictitious close race and spout the ‘every vote counts and we need you to vote’
    The pollsters have once again ‘lost’ in the eyes of the public.
    Trump won easily, and increased his votes amongst black/Hispanic voters and THAT has scared the beejeezus out of the Dems big time.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:58am
- backster
  
  A few days before the US election an American Po;;ster who had called every election right changed his mind from Trump to Harris on the basis there had been a swing of 18% in Iowa from Trump to Harris. Our Mainstream Media trumpeted it. Harris claimed she had momentum. The election result had Trump ahead by 12%…..Corrupt repporting!!!
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:56am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I find that very hard to believe in one month when the parliament has not sat for 3 weeks
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:49am
Conservatarian

Trump becomes the first man since Franklin D. Roosevelt to win three consecutive United States presidential elections.

Also the first since the 22nd amendment was ratified in 1951.
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November 7, 2024 8:05am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t follow.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:35am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Like Trump, Conservatarian disputes the 2020 result, Benedict.
    
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    November 7, 2024 8:45am
    - Mrs_Right
      
      It’s just ignorant to say that the 2020 election was 100% legitimate.
      
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      November 7, 2024 9:39am
    - Conservatarian
      
      You are correct John, I do dispute the “official” result of the 2020 election. I see Trump’s comprehensive win last night as an obvious indicator that his popularity has increased from 2016 to 2020 to 2024. Well, other than those that download the messages of the corporate press into their brain, advocates of “Our democracy” and lovers of killing babies. Trump has clearly won all seven swing states and thus will win the electoral college by a thumping 312-226.
      
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      November 7, 2024 10:31am
  - sirknz
    
    ~15 million less votes were cast in the 2024 US election compared to 2020.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:30am
    - Im Right
      
      Because the voting procedures were under more scrutiny this election, no 2am votes ‘found’ and counted.
      This election had little to no room for any Democrat party sleight of hand malarkey.
      
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      November 7, 2024 10:02am
    - Local Miller
      
      ~15 million FEWER votes where cast…
      
      The grammar police strike again
      
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      November 7, 2024 12:27pm
      - RdM
        
        “~15 million FEWER votes where cast…
        
        The grammar police strike again”
        
        A typo cop strikes out “votes where cast”…
        
        ;=}))
        
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        November 7, 2024 6:40pm
    - crikey
      
      Perhaps, in simple terms, 15 million fewer people voted twice!
      
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      November 7, 2024 1:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Those of us who were around in 2020 understand that.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:44am
- kowtow
  
  The CNN commentators let it slip , when discussing the Harris collapse from Biden’s alleged showing .
  
  ‘The mail in ballots’ they said and therein explains an awful lot of how and why Biden “won” in 2020.
  
  I still contend that with the hundreds of millions of dollars from the tech billionaires support ( see Time Magazine special report) and the army of activists that hired , together with the covid mail in harvesting ……..they cheated.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:30am
- David Garrett
  
  Conservatarian: What?? This is Trump’s second term…FDR was the last president to have served more than two. That led to a Constitutional amendment allowing for only two terms.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:50am
  - Romney
    
    He said ‘to win three elections’ not serve three terms.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:24am
WaynelSexton

Three theories on the missing 15 million left votes?

Trump (74 million) 2020
Trump (73 million) 2024

Harris (66 million) 2024
Hillary (65 million) 2016

Biden (81 million) 2020
(EXTRA 15 million votes, for you slow ones)

-First theory, the left absolutely hates the idea of a female leader.

Second theory, Trumps “Operation Warp Speed” killed 15 million liberals with the vax.

Third theory, Biden cheated…
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November 7, 2024 8:05am
- Colville
  
  The obvious one tho is that Kamala didnt energise her voter base..they just stayed home.
  
  The Dems knew it was about turnout and they failed.
  
  Pretty tough trying to sell Kamala as a legitimate President! 🙂
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:28am
  - WaynelSexton
    
    Yeah I agree the left just can’t energize around women, that’s why I put that as my first theory.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:03am
- sherp
  
  The lefts claim kow is there was ballot harvesting in 2020… but they had used emergency powers to change the law just before the election so their cheating was legal…. now upon being challenged in courts most of those law changed to fortify the election for their candidate were illegal but never mind that.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:29am
  - Jake Dee
    
    If it was legal then the D’s won 2020.
    I am somewhat sympathetic to claims of electoral shenanigans in 2020 but those who support those claims (denigrated by the MSM as “election deniers”) have to be very careful to parse out the difference between “Dishonest”, “Unethical”, “Unconstitutional” and “Illegal”.
    People have to get over the magical idea that an election is some sort of divinely sanctioned act that can determine some sort of sacred thing called “The Will of The People”. It’s not and never has been. It has always been just a complex bureaucratic exercise.
    Consider this analogy,
    Who is the fastest man in the world? I really don’t know and neither do you. Who actually won the Olympic gold medal for the 100m sprint? Well everyone knows that and that has been determined by the Olympic committee not by Jehovah in Heaven or Zeus atop Olympus.
    There is no “True Democracy” and no “Will of The People”, that’s an illusion.
    American political hacks have spent more than two literal centuries inventing and deploying every shady trick in the book to put their thumb on the electoral scales and shift the needle towards their preferred faction, and in every election that book of shady shenanigans gets a few more pages.
    The hundreds of millions of Zucker-bucks deployed in 2020 to “Fortify Democracy” certainly was as shady as hell, but it was legal and I know this because of the fact that it has not been declared illegal.
    Here’s another analogy I just thought up.
    What if I, as an evil genius, learned of a new wonder drug that can cure the dreaded lurgy-plague, and as an evil bastard I have a burning hatred for the despised ethnicity XYZ? I don’t need to stop the drug, all I need to do is gain a certain level of influence over how it is distributed. Using some rather simple statistics I just ensure that more of it goes to some neighborhoods and counties rather than others. I’m not killing anyone just saving then at different rates.
    The same thing could be done in “Fortifying Democracy”.
    BTW where else in history have you EVER seen the term “Fortifying Democracy”? That alone should tell you that a new element was added to the electoral mix.
    
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    November 7, 2024 3:02pm
- RightNow
  
  I encourage all lefties to keep up with their boosters!
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I must be slow. Was the participation rate higher in 2020?
  
  I don’t follow theory 1. Theories 2 and 3 are insane.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:40am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    We know you aren’t slow, its just that you can’t get your head around how much cheating there was in 2020.
    
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    November 7, 2024 8:45am
    - David Garrett
      
      Anthony: FFS man! Every single one of Trump’s challenges in 2020 – IIRC there were more than 30 of them – failed. Or does this mythical creature the “Deep State” also include judges at different levels across 30 states, all of whom are acting cohesion? Let it go man! Your guy lost last time, but won this time. Thems the breaks.
      
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      November 7, 2024 9:55am
      - RightNow
        
        I assume you don’t use X David, or at least you haven’t seen the live reports of what’s been happening during this election. In a nutshell there have been multiple attempts at election interference documented on video by citizen reporters, and a team of 250,000 election watchers engaged by Trump’s team, as well as an army of lawyers that have been able to fight for election integrity.
        One example was a poll location that tried to shut down voting early (in a Republican leaning area) but the Trump team lawyers challenged it immediately and a judge sided with them and ordered the poll site to open an extra 3 days to balance it out.
        Basically they were ready to stop the steal this time, and were successful.
        
        The evidence of election fraud in 2020 is huge if you take off the MSM blinkers.
        
        Get on X and follow Elon, for a start.
        
        Note also, I have much respect for you (and Rodney), I’m not dissing you and I hope it doesn’t come across that way.
        
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        November 7, 2024 10:11am
      - Handyman
        
        60% of the cases were dismissed without a hearing on the basis any decision will not affect the outcome and not be in the public interest. There is a legal latin term for this which escapes me at the moment.
        
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        November 7, 2024 10:36am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Sorry David, you are wrong. They were all chucked on technicalities. They weren’t heard. Of course the Democrats cheated in 2020.
        
        “Fortifying our democracy” and all that…
        
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        November 7, 2024 1:39pm
    - Local Miller
      
      You are being slow today BY. The simple answer is Yes, the participation was higher, MUCH higher, which is the point being raised. Remember 2020 was the Covid Election in the USA, so people were locked up, and Biden only campaigned from his basement, and when he did have public “rallies”, video shows there were very few in attendance where Trump’s rallies were packed.
      Here are the total votes cast in each election since 2004 rounded to the nearest 1 million with the candidate shares in brackets:
      2004 ~ 121 Million (Bush = 62m, Kerry = 59m)
      2008 ~ 129 Million (Obama = 69m, McCain = 60m)
      2012 ~ 127 Million (Obama = 66m, Romney = 61m)
      2016 ~ 129 Million (Trump = 63m, Clinton = 66m)
      2020 ~155 Million (Trump = 74m, Biden = 81m)
      2024 ~139 Million (Trump = 72m, Harris 67m)
      
      So by some magic, Biden some how got ~15m more votes than the trend would predict, in a Covid election where turnout was expected to be low. Plus this election was expected to have a high turnout because there was so much at stake.
      
      You can go back further if you want, but the pattern is consistent except for the 2020 election. Statistically this is just so unlikely that it points to cheating.
      
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      November 7, 2024 12:53pm
    - G152
      
      The dead have every right to a vote on the day……
      
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      November 7, 2024 1:30pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Basically, Theory 1 is that the voters that mobilised for Biden couldn’t be bothered mobilising for Harris – was it because she’s a woman?
    Theory 3 is that with mail in ballots in 2020 there was potentially a huge number of usually non-voters that voted due to the ease of mail in voting. Due to the nature of mail in voting, we have no idea what pressure was on them or if it was actually them that voted. This explains the difference but doesn’t mean it was cheating.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:08am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Voter turnout is always a good number to look at…..
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:54am
  - cmm
    
    Biden appealed to the dead demographic. High numbers turned out to vote.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:51am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Biden’s extra 10 million voters appear to have all died again for the 2024 election
      
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      November 7, 2024 12:51pm
      - cmm
        
        Why should that have prevented them from voting?
        
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        November 7, 2024 2:52pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Because there were a lot more focused Republican eyeballs, cameras, and lawyers watching proceedings in ’24 after the shenanigans of ’20. They caught and halted a lot of bullshit – like thousands of last-minute fake voter registrations from an Arizona based Democrat funded NGO in each of multiple Pennsylvanian counties, and efforts to exclude republican observers in a couple of blue counties amongst other things.
        
        Though that didn’t prevent a lot of fake ballot registrations across swing states – where checking their listed residential addresses via door knocking reveals their non-existence, revealing a huge Democrat cheating apparatus still in place – either in preparation for ’24 or a left over from ’20.
        
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        November 7, 2024 4:23pm
- cmm
  
  Regardless of whether there was shenanigans in ballot counting in 2020, if the Hunter Biden laptop issue had not been lied about then it is almost certain that Biden would have had a far lower votes.
  
  I saw somewhere that polling after the truth came out shows that around 15% fewer people would have voted for Biden. That would have put Biden at around 65M votes.
  
  That was clear, undisputed, election interference.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:49am
  - cmm
    
    Oh dear, I see three people still believe the 51 ex FBI/CIA people who signed a document declaring the Hunter Biden laptop.
    
    That has been thoroughly debunked and the validity of the Hunter Biden laptop is accepted by everyone except the most deranged.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:32am
    - cmm
      
      declaring the Hunter Biden laptop a Russian fake.
      
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      November 7, 2024 2:53pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        Not exactly, just strongly implying that it was. I think the phrase was “bears all the hallmarks of…’.
        These people are smooth operators, they know how to sail as close to the wind as possible without actually capsizing.
        
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        November 7, 2024 3:08pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        I think they and most of their co-workers will still be made to walk the plank by the incoming admin.
        
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        November 7, 2024 4:24pm
- NothingLeft
  
  They haven’t finished counting yet, still 6-8million votes to be counted, mostly in very highly Kamala supporting California that has counted less than 60% of vote.
  
  But Biden’s 81 million tally still sticks out like dogs-balls.
  
  2020 election needs serious investigation by an organization with powers and motivation to really get to the bottom of stuff like 2000 Mules etc.
  
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  November 7, 2024 12:48pm
Matt Long

America may be entering a new golden age.
Trump wins;
Their share market make record highs.
Free speech on X is preserved for at least 4 more years.
The Houthis are reported as wanting a ceasefire.
Musk and Ron Paul are figuring out how to slash the cost of the public service by 2 trillion dollars.
Pet squirrels are hopeful.
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November 7, 2024 8:05am
- Mark Hanley
  
  If only I could predict the stock market as well as i predict politics….. “Perhaps it’s a result of watching the corruption of the NZ media, but I can’t help but think Trump will romp into the White house.
  You know the democrats are in deep trouble when they have to ask Jacinda Adern for an endorsement.”
  
  And all evidence to date points to my other prediction coming true… “Christopher Luxon will be the best Prime Minister NZ ever had”
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:09am
  - pdm
    
    Not so sure about your last sentence MH.
    
    He is too Labour lite for me and he is going to have some big calls to make when submissions on the Treaty Principles Legislation come in. I suspect they will greatly out number the 90 odd thousand 3/5/All Waters submissions that Nanaia Mahuta allegedly threw in the bin or shredded or at best totally ignored.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:08am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Time will tell PDM.
      
      While it’s easy to label.and complain….. Can anyone name a Prime minister who:
      – inherited a party which suffered its biggest loss, then identified the future stars from the despondent MPs and in 1 term turned the party around (with no new talent) to win an election.
      
      Then within his first year:
      – devised and implemented a new curriculum and designed structured learning and teacher training programs ready for implementaion.
      – prosecuted an entire Australian gang
      – reduced government spending and brought inflation and interest rates down.
      – signed a massive trade deal and layed the foundation for another huge deal with India.
      
      and i could go on.
      
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      November 7, 2024 11:17am
- ChristopherW2
  
  Hurrah! 😀
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:12am
- Cassandra
  
  For all his faults (but who is perfect? JFK? LBJ?) Trump has scored a resounding victory. Popular vote, Senate, House. He’ll remake America and affect the world. A biggie is Ukraine. Why should the US be the main funder? Europe has all the resources needed to support Ukraine to victory, but does it have the will?
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:13am
  - rouppe
    
    The thing about the Ukraine conflict is that everyone seems to see any action by nato countries as a nato action.
    
    There doesn’t have to be a formal nato action. It could just be European countries looking after their interests making a move.
    
    Now that Russia has introduced North Korean soldiers, surely that’s the precedent for pan European involvement?
    
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    November 7, 2024 8:21am
    - Jake Dee
      
      If Russia has deployed North Korean troops then it has deployed them in Russia. Is Europe going to go to war over that?
      If Europe is going to jump into Ukraine with both feet, then it would have done so when there was a reasonable chance of victory. Now they would be jumping on to a sinking ship.
      
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      November 7, 2024 3:13pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      So please explain what the difference is.
      North Korea support Russia with 10,000 Soldiers(who I presume will be paid by Russia)
      
      USA support Ukraine with a few hundred soldiers(to operate the US supplied weapons/anti weapons systems, logistics etc. and a few Billion dollars worth of Munitions etc etc as well as a few billions in cold hard cash.
      
      Is it because its 10, 000 soldiers verses 200 billion in financial support.
      
      Ie Bodies count more than dollars.
      
      By my calculation, the anti North Korea argument would value each of the 10,000 Soldiers at some $20,000.
      
      The Russians already have a history of having mercenaries fighting for them
      I am sure North Korea will love the payments for their soldiers.
      
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      November 7, 2024 4:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump has said he will fix Ukraine/Russia while he is President Elect.
    
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    November 7, 2024 8:50am
    - imalwaysright
      
      S.O
      Correct, he will get more done before Jan 20 than many would get done during their entire term.
      Can you imagine Putin or Xi taking a call from Sleepy?
      
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      November 7, 2024 9:09am
  - rangitoto
    
    US has funded SFA to Ukraine. They have actually saved money by finding a cheap way to get rid of old military hardware.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:00am
    - Burtland
      
      and the russians have used it to empty their jails and clear their warehouses of rusting tanks
      
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      November 7, 2024 9:47am
  - David Garrett
    
    Cass: An excellent point.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:56am
  - Geri Sjovik
    
    Europe doesn’t have the resources.
    
    It is blighted with the Social Democracy thing whereby more and more taxes are wasted on free stuff for the indolent.
    
    I note that all the nations referred to have to find more money to spend and cuts to defence are the easiest to do.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:10am
- cmm
  
  … and Americans continue to be over-entitled and plunge themselves deeper into debt…
  
  The overall trajectory is still in one direction. They might have just bought themselves a couple of years.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:28am
- Matt Long
  
  Trump has achieved regime change in Germany already.
  Interesting that 99% of Germans polled expected a Harris victory.
  https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1854251792814473688
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:39am
In Vino Veritas

I see Die Zeit (German paper) has led with the headline “F–k” after the American election. To be fair, Zeit is center, probably more center left, so it’s to be expected, and spoiler, it’s generally a pretty good read. But you have to draw the line at this crap “half past five is also a perfectly appropriate time for feeling helpless, for feeling sorry for yourself, for panicking and for sheer horror”. The woke virus is literally everywhere.
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November 7, 2024 8:06am
- John Loveridge
  
  None of these people seem to understand democracy.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:47am
Anthony Melchett

Welfare check DPF?
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November 7, 2024 8:06am
I remember when

John Key, Australian Bookies, New York Times 3,
Pollsters 0.
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November 7, 2024 8:09am
- Prince
  
  Key was interviewed by Ryan Bridges this morning.
  So good to hear a relaxed, intelligent viewpoint. I miiss him.
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition-with-ryan-bridge/audio/sir-john-key-former-prime-minister-talks-donald-trumps-victory-and-impact-on-nz/
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:39am
  - greybeard
    
    I heard that as well. So articulate and sensible.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:37am
  - cmm
    
    Don’t miss him too much. He helped get us on the path we’re no now by dodging many challenging issues that should have been addressed years ago.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:54am
    - Geri Sjovik
      
      Who authorised the signing of the DRIP?
      
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      November 7, 2024 11:12am
      - cmm
        
        Quite.
        ..and didn’t raise retirement age..
        ..and set up the current mob of wet blankets…
        
        He tried far too hard to be everyone’s best mate.
        Great for making fans but that’s not really what leadership is about.
        
        JK’s main redeeming feature was that he put on the public show to distract the crowds and gave the brains of the organisation (Bill English) room to operate behind the scenes.
        
        It was really Bill English’s firm hand on the tiller that got us through the GFC etc.
        
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        November 7, 2024 2:51pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    I wonder why TV1 didn’t snap up Ryan Bridge for their breakfast program.
    Instead they have an odd and slightly dimwitted Daniel, and a passive aggressive, odd, and slightly dimwitted Jenny, whose main talent seems to be yelling out in the background “up the wahs!” while someone is on camera reading the news autocue
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:21am
Matt Long

Elon Musk by providing a free speech platform to counter the media parties hoaxes, and Lara Trump’s Election Integrity Team can count themselves as being integral to America’s win.
https://apnews.com/article/rnc-election-monitoring-trump-republicans-voter-fraud-997947656e0b5d5d16cc4353bd726452?origin=serp_auto
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November 7, 2024 8:10am
- Matt Long
  
  I wouldn’t possibly suggest any election fraud in 2020, but there’s not one county in America where Harris out polled Biden according to CNN.
  Biden was so successful as a campaigner, that despite suffering dementia and only campaigning from his basement, he got 15 million popular votes more than Obama, Clinton or Harris. 2012, 2016, 2024.
  https://x.com/zerohedge/status/1854144250562429081
  https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1854193548717126030
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:16am
- ChristopherW2
  
  Without much fanfare, it seems that Ms Trump has done a marvellous job (thinking about that very telling graph tweeted by Zero Hedge).
  
  Mr Trump is a great man blessed by loyal and able children.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:16am
Tom Hunter

Oh dear. Also note that this woman edited this and still put it out on TikTok.
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November 7, 2024 8:11am
- Matt Long
  
  They do it for clicks, the more outrageous a video is the better it is to monetise.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:18am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, they get the same clicks and money no matter whether it is a supporter or someone who has gleefully clicked on it to watch a meltdown.
    
    A million blue clicks or red clicks are worth the same.
    
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    November 7, 2024 8:34am
- rouppe
  
  Good grief.
  
  She should make a run for Canada before Trump signs an executive order to turn the USA into Gilead.
  
  /sarc
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:31am
- Local Miller
  
  Now that is what I call a sham. For all her “weeping and wailing” I didn’t see a single tear actually run down her face. What a farce.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:33am
  - cmm
    
    But you still watched it. That’s all that matters.
    
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    November 7, 2024 8:46am
Yvette

Treaty
Ngāti Hine leader Pita Tipene told RNZ he could barely put into words how angry the news made him.”I don’t even know what word can be used to describe this particular action that’s been taken by the government… other than it lacks honour. [It is] dishonourable to our ancestors who signed Te Tiriti o Waitangi and had honour.”
Tipene said shifting the date forward was a deliberate attempt to avoid the national hīkoi set to begin next week.
“The government has been purposeful in pre-empting the hīkoi and rushing the introduction of the bill into parliament, knowing that the hīkoi will arrive on a certain date. It’s really a stunt.”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/533057/treaty-principles-bill-early-introduction-before-parliament-dishonorable-says-furious-maori-leaders

Somewhere, awaiting the re-election of Labour, whenever that may happen, there is a document which is the response of 72 hui Labour held with Maori before presenting their aspirations to a Labour Cabinet, for obviously a Labour Government position for non-Maori for discussion on He Puapua – another Ardern promised “national conversation” which ended in non-delivery like almost everything else Labour touched.

This document never reached Cabinet because Willie Jackson – one man – had not watered-down (a Mana o te Wai process) or filtered sufficiently the roughly twenty percent of the document that he believed to be acceptable to his Cabinet colleagues – so missing the deadline it is shelved somewhere because of the 2023 Election.

National Govt to support UN rights declaration
• reaffirms the legal and constitutional frameworks that underpin New Zealand’s legal system, noting that those existing frameworks define the bounds of New Zealand’s engagement with the Declaration.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/national-govt-support-un-rights-declaration

“… the legal and constitutional frameworks that underpin New Zealand’s legal system” are the Treaty, as declared elsewhere, so it defined “the bounds of New Zealand’s engagement with the Declaration”

But I can not remember any protests from Ngāti Hine leader Pita Tipene to one man, Willie Jackson, hijacking the Treaty and ignoring the covenant on UNDRIP – one man actually filtering the Maori response, so of his own people, to the secretly written He Paupau

It would be helpful – balancing the present Maori shock / horror – for the Government to reveal the currently hidden and obviously devisive documentation of Maori response to He Puapua.

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bumf –
• Māori Development Minister Willie Jackson says he is glad NZ First never saw the contentious He Puapua report, but denies it was “deliberately withheld”.
Peters said He Puapua was never shown to his party, despite having four ministers and being in a coalition government at the time.
“This [He Puapua] report is a recipe for Māori separatism,” he told Newstalk ZB.
“They knew it and that’s why they suppressed it till after the election … it was a gesture of ingratitude and bad faith.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/he-puapua-willie-jackson-pleased-nz-first-and-winston-peters-didnt-see-report/B4LOHMCMJJFJAKZHRGSP7ZEXEQ/

• In June a first draft was delivered to Jackson, but the minister never took it to Cabinet for consideration because he knew his colleagues wouldn’t support it.
At the time he told Newsroom he wasn’t comfortable with about 20 percent of what had been proposed and had asked the governance group set up to consult and draw up the plan to go back and try again.
He had hoped they’d return with a more palatable version by late July, but he is yet to receive anything.
“We’re a little bit off schedule and a little bit out of date. I’m meeting with them on Friday and there will be some decisions made about where we’re going,” Jackson told Newsroom.
https://newsroom.co.nz/2022/10/18/cabinet-still-waiting-on-co-governance-draft-plan/.
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November 7, 2024 8:11am
- Tricati
  
  We are still waiting for Ardern (Labour) to honor this promise, but not holding my breath.
  Doubt anyone in Labour has the fortitude to take this to the public as an election commitment.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:42am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Now that is something worthy of being leaked.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:00am
  - Yvette
    
    Blog-aholic, I don’t know that it even needs leaking.
    
    Cabinet or ACT should be able to simply look it up among Cabinet or Ministry documents, or request all contributing information, as of right.
    
    Then they should be able to legitimately release it as evidence of how Labour intended to step beyond the bounds of the Treaty, and contrary to the 2010 covenant statements of engagement with UNDRIP, especially the 20 percent portion Willie Jackson wanted rewritten.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:24am
    - pdm
      
      Yvette – no way will PM Luxon do that.
      
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      November 7, 2024 11:24am
Bridgenag

And Here We are…
Envisioning a future we have all been praying for

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/and-here-we-are?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 7, 2024 8:12am
In Vino Veritas

And on the US election, had a chat with an old mate this a.m. He said that searches in the US for “move to NZ” had spiked (I think he read it on some NZ site?).
I pointed out that there’s a decent possibility that a good few NZ’rs wouldn’t want wet sooks from America moving here as we have enough batshit crazy nutters doing that shit already.
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November 7, 2024 8:12am
- cmm
  
  The vast majority of those wet sooks are incapable of doing a 9 to 5 job – let alone organising themselves to move to NZ.
  
  The mere fact they’ve done a search is often enough for them to feel that they have taken some action and done something. Actually following through in the real world is a lot more effort.
  
  ie. all talk no action.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:37am
- John Loveridge
  
  Meh, it’s like all those celebrities who were going to bail in 2016. It’s all just noise and hot air.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:54am
- sirknz
  
  Definitely don’t want the ones who attended any Diddy parties…
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:44am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  One downside of the US election result is that there’s even less chance of Genter or March going home.
  
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  November 7, 2024 7:03pm
Surely Knott

The people’s vote in the USA was interesting. It tells us not just who they want for President but who they are turning to for influence and opinion. The public no longer believe Hollywood, pop stars, the mainstream media, or the globalist NGO think tanks.

Elon, Trump, RFKjr, Rogan and the voice of Joe ordinary on Twitter > B&M Gates, Dems, Beyonce, Oprah, Bruce Springsteen, Arnie Schwarzenager, Julia Robers, Jenifer Lopez, Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Rihana, Eminem, Cardi B, Comedian John Oliver, Bill Maher, the NY Times, The La Times, CNN, all the major universities pushing culture wars, critical race and gender theory and socialism and globalism.

It’s a sea change. Not just for government but for society. People have seen what they do and how they operate and they can’t unsee it. They don’t trust them.
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November 7, 2024 8:14am
Souvlaki

I am delighted to see ACT has been able to bring forward the Treaty Bill to this afternoon!
IMO, like the Democrats, National are way out of step with public sentiment on this issue, and their pigheaded stubbornness will translate into a considerable reduction of their power post 2026 election with ACT & NZ First being the beneficiaries.
Even former cabinet Minister Maurice Williamson is flabbergasted with their foolishness ( HDPA drivetime yesterday, circa 1740hrs.)
And then this Roy Morgan poll: https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/national-support-down-significantly-in-october-after-the-sinking-of-hmnzs-manawanui-in-samoa
Surely not everyone in National agrees with Luxon on this ??
Their foolishness will be further highlighted when the citizens referendum on the issue comes to pass 🙂
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November 7, 2024 8:14am
- imalwaysright
  
  Souv,
  
  We may see the Treaty Principles Bill become known as the What are Luxon’s Principles? Bill
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:34am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  RM attributed the significant change to the Navy boat sinking & the Dunedin hospital rethink. Both not really directly attributable to the Coalition, more their response to unexpected & undisclosed events so not sure I agree with RM
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:39am
- Scott
  
  Once again, National and NZ First have a different approach. They want to take references to the Treaty of Waitangi out of the legislation. Unless directly relevant the references to the Treaty will go. They argue that are no principles in the Treaty and it was simply an agreement between two peoples.
  That’s not wrong. It’s just a different approach.
  I hope people understand this. 😊
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:55am
Agricola

The big win by Trump should draw a focus on the credibility and, indeed, relevance of polling companies, their methods and their strategic importance, not so much in manipulating public opinion, evidently, but in seriously deluding their beneficiaries.
I would like DPF in defence of political polling to do some serious analysis of the polls that so misrepresented the American electorate.
Is it professional incompetence that renders the polls useless? Were the polls corrupted by venal political activists? Was it all a cunning GOP conspiracy to stir republicans to vote?
Or is it that after years of relentless demonisation and hectoring by preening celebrity solipsists, conservatives are just pissed off with pollsters and see them as part of the problem.
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November 7, 2024 8:21am
- cmm
  
  I wonder how easy it is to actually do reliable polling any more.
  
  Land line calling is getting less and less relevant as people have switched over to cell phones. So how do you actually get a representative population any more?
  
  Secondly, how many people are willing to give honest opinions in this crazy world we live in?
  
  Thirdly, most polling questions seem to be loaded. They don’t ask meaningful questions to find data but rather pose questions more intended to steer the respondent.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:45am
- Conservatarian
  
  Per NBC News, the swing state leads (in percentage points) for Trump are currently:
  
  PA 1.9% – 98% expected votes in
  MI 1.5% – 99% expected votes in
  WI 0.8% – 99% expected votes in
  GA 2.3% – 99% expected votes in
  NC 3.3% – 99% expected votes in
  NV 5.1% – 93% expected votes in
  AZ 4.7% – 63% expected votes in
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-presidential-election
  
  The margin of error for a 1,000 respondent poll is around 3% (maybe 3.7%?) so the pollsters will pat themselves on the back and say “but margin of error” (well apart from NV and AZ).
  
  The problem is that the margin of error is all in Trump’s favour, as always. Three straight cycle of misses.
  
  The pollsters will breathe as sigh of relief until the next populist they can’t understand (J D Vance?)
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:38am
  - cmm
    
    “The margin of error for a 1,000 respondent poll is around 3%”
    
    The rough rule of thumb is to take the sample size, square root that, then divide 100 by that number:
    
    1000 -> square root is 31 -> 100/31 % = 3.1%
    
    But that only applies if you got:
    a) a proper random sample of the voters
    b) an honest response.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:01am
    - Conservatarian
      
      Thank you sir, I could have looked that up but I knew someone would be along with the correct answer.
      
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      November 7, 2024 11:18am
      - cmm
        
        Good guess!
        
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        November 7, 2024 2:54pm
- NothingLeft
  
  A problem with polling in US is that they have to construct a sample based upon past election turnout (known R:D, M:F and Age distributions). That clearly can’t work in US if the past election was severely distorted by mail in ballot fraud with 10million higher vote turnout for Democrats than previous or since.
  
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  November 7, 2024 12:59pm
- Jake Dee
  
  I am waiting for Nate Silver to do a detailed post-mortem of his work. The man is nothing if not detailed. He is a serious gambler (literally) he knows what costs him money.
  
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  November 7, 2024 3:19pm
Paulus

Kamala Harris should not be blamed, as some in the USA are already doing.
Blame must fall heavily upon the Democratic Party and such as Obama, Pelosi, Clintons and of course the Bidens for putting her in this position.
My wife of over 60 years says that if you tell a women what she has to do them she won’t, as can be seen by recent polls urging the women to vote for Kamala, because she is a women (and coloured).
Haven’t we seen this yet in New Zealand where the so called media try and tell us what to do, as it is their opinion, and not their jobs, as reporters with some balance.
They would not know what balance is anyway
Sad really, for our Country
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November 7, 2024 8:23am
Maggy Wassilieff

“Razor edge, too close to call, neck ‘n neck” … bullshit

Time for our journalists to stop repeating leftie mantras and actually take a look at what is happening in the real world.
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November 7, 2024 8:25am
- John Loveridge
  
  I took a couple of extremely rare looks at Stuff’s front page last night and couldn’t figure out how their supposedly live updates were completely different to everybody else’s, and appeared to show Harris much closer to Trump in the electoral votes. Were they wishful thinking or something?
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:57am
  - sirknz
    
    Comparing and contrasting with the NZ Herald, they were showing completely different results off what was presumably the same data source.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:49am
- imalwaysright
  
  I’m worried that there are 66 million people in America who think she should be President. (Allegedly)
  
  Equally worrying is that 48% of kiwis surveyed support Labour , Maori party and Greens.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:25am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Is just me, but does TV1 US reporter Logan Church bear an uncanny resemblance to a young Grant Robertson?
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:42am
  - geoff3012
    
    Maybe Grant’s sister…….
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:08am
  - pdm
    
    Bollocks – Collins might need to up his Pie and Cream Bun eating to get his physique right if that is his ambition.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All of the pollsters repeating that “bullshit” need to be called out and named publicly.
  Liars are a waste of space.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:44am
- mogg
  
  Better still is the hysterical reaction from lefty MSM drama queens all around the world. I think that we can all agree that this is very funny stuff.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:14am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.26am, zero bikes.

A calm, coolish, still morning in the Capital, ideal for cycling.
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November 7, 2024 8:26am
- AitchW
  
  Lefties at home hiding under the blankets and sobbing uncontrollably.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:12am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Some of them have been filming themselves and posting it to X, TikTok, or whatever. They really do think it’s the end of the world.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:53am
- greybeard
  
  I love these updates: you should be sending them to Nick Mills on NewstalkZB Wellington, 9am – 12 noon weekdays.
  He would be very much on your side !
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:45am
  - pdm
    
    grey – that doesn’t sound like the Nick Mills I have heard on radio from time to time.
    
    He comes across as a very loyal lefty.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:18am
    - greybeard
      
      He knows what a cock-up the WCC has made of the city.
      
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      November 7, 2024 10:56am
Tom Hunter

I wonder if American Horror will be making a successor episode to this one.
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November 7, 2024 8:27am
Matt Long

The Taxpayers union is being very busy at present,
IRD apparently sent raw data with a large number of taxpayer’s details by email to social media companies
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/ird_have_lied_to_new_zealanders_heads_must_roll
And Luxon may have plans to turn over many more billions of taxpayer funds to the climate scammers than even Adern. Hospitals anyone? Roads? Clean beaches?
https://x.com/TaxpayersUnion/status/1853221201411490193
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/coopers-beach-a-no-go-for-swimmers-or-seafood-gathering-following-sewage-leak/VA2AU7XBAJHBNBI7ZMFRU7NHKQ/
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November 7, 2024 8:28am
- cmm
  
  Yesterday I posted my request to the Privacy Commissioner on the IRD leak. I have not heard anything back yet (government department so I expect it takes months).
  
  While clearly any sharing of data with outside bodies is unacceptable. I also find it rather alarming that:
  1) It took 9 months to inform the victims.
  2) It took 9 months for the Privacy Commissioner to make a statement.
  
  Yes, heads need to roll top to bottom. I suggest at both the IRD and the Privacy Commission.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:50am
  - kowtow
    
    And at the legacy media who don’t give this the prominence it deserves.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:36am
    - cmm
      
      Well to be fair, they’ve only had this info for a day or two now.
      
      The IRD and Privacy Commissioner have sat on it for 9 months without informing the victims.
      
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      November 7, 2024 10:03am
  - cmm
    
    UPDATE: I got a very useless response from the Privacy Commission today telling me to take up the issue with IRD.
    
    I have send a similar request for further details to IRD. We’ll see what they say.
    
    IRD takes 15 days to respond. Funny that – they come down like a ton of bricks if you’re 15 minutes late with a GST return.
    
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    November 7, 2024 12:17pm
    - Ghost
      
      Forward it to goldsmith and see what kind of reply you get there
      
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      November 7, 2024 12:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I estimated 312/226. It’s looking pretty good.
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November 7, 2024 8:29am
- Grunter
  
  Yes you did Steve, well done!
  
  I got a bit carried away with my “330+” prediction. But a few ‘Blue States’ came close which would have got Trump to 330. Even New Jersey swung towards Red (but stays Blue).
  
  The Dem’s lost the day they picked The Kackling One .
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:37am
- Local Miller
  
  Yesterday someone down ticked my estimate of trump at 280+ I wonder now if they did this because they felt I was too low 🙂
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I did think it was too low, but I didn’t downtick. I rarely do.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:15am
- Jake Dee
  
  My profits on the Manifold prediction markets are +90%. I made all my bets, Party, Candidate and Popular Vote before Harris was the candidate and didn’t shift.
  
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  November 7, 2024 3:24pm
Rusty

TVNZ Donald Trump is an enigma.

The only enigma is TVNZ and the rest of the putrid media in this country.
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November 7, 2024 8:41am
- John Loveridge
  
  TVNZ is more an enema than an enigma.
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think some folks in TVNZ will be polishing up/embellishing their CVs today….
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/533010/tvnz-plans-to-axe-50-jobs
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:57am
Yvette

The latest unbiased Report from the Waitangi Tribunal …

Ngā Mātāpono/The Principles: Part II of the Interim Report
Wai 3300 – Tomokia ngā tatau o Matangireia – the Constitutional Kaupapa Inquiry
https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/WT/wt_DOC_221817323/Nga%20Matapono%20Ch6%20W.pdf.

– but rather than ruin the taste of your breakfast maple chocolate sugar puffs with that, achieve the same effect by considering this –

Waitangi tribunal Wai 19
of the treaty of Waitangi act 1975
of a claim by D McMaster relating to ‘Special Privileges for Maori People’

Minister of Maori Affairs
Parliament Buildings, Wellington

Dear Mr Wetere

In February 1985 D McMaster of Auckland filed a claim with the Waitangi tribunal alleging, amongst other things, that a number of special privileges were accorded to Maori people by virtue of their race, but these privileges were at variance with the Treaty of Waitangi. He called on the tribunal to take such steps as are necessary to put an end to this situation.

Section 6 of the treaty of Waitangi act 1975 defines who can bring a claim to the Waitangi tribunal. It appears that only Maoris can bring a claim. Mr McMaster was told of that preliminary view and was asked whether he was a Maori, or, in the alternative, whether he disputed that interpretation of section 6. 
Mr McMaster has replied that he is not a Maori and he has withdrawn the claim.
Dated at Wellington this 21st day of May 1985

[E T J Durie] Chairman
https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/WT/wt_DOC_68479315/Wai0019%20W.pdf
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November 7, 2024 8:43am
Benedict Yu

America’s climate change actions up in smoke.

If there is a chance of government in Australia and Canada there will be a walking back from net zero.

Meanwhile Chris Luxon is walking New Zealand towards a ruinous commitment with almost zero media attention.
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November 7, 2024 8:44am
- Souvlaki
  
  Virtue signaling tuber ! 🙁
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:49am
- kowtow
  
  I suspect there were an awful lot of votes from the media reviled working classes who made that possible . Auto workers , oil and gas , coal miners and steel ( if there are any left) etc
  
  The media went on about the Michigan Arab vote , well duh they work in factories too.
  
  Interestingly trade union leaders wanted the Elitist out of touch Democrat to win while their membership favoured Trump.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:41am
- Damocles11
  
  Woke corporate potato. This country lacks strong centre-right leadership. Luxon thinks his voters are a pack of wokesters like him. How weak can you be. Further to the fiscally ruinous climate scam being foisted on us all, RNZ should be defunded TODAY, why are taxpayers funding a far left propaganda broadcast? This is a sick joke being perpetrated against all Coalition voters and the blame sits squarely with Luxon and Goldsmith.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe the Trump win will wake Luxon up on the climate change hoax, but I doubt it.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:19am
  - cmm
    
    Dreams are free.
    And they’re worth every cent.
    
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    November 7, 2024 2:57pm
kevn

googles ‘help’ didn’t help…
https://notthebee.com/article/oh-look-google-will-show-you-where-to-vote-for-harris-but-not-where-to-vote-for-trump
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November 7, 2024 8:47am
- ChristopherW2
  
  That gag snuck up on me, lol
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:12am
kevn

and… a senior TDS offer.
https://x.com/MelaniaTrumpo/status/1853832035032252654
and:
https://x.com/TrumpVVon/status/1854156178655183129
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November 7, 2024 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They are welcome to leave the US, just don’t come to NZ. We have enough wets here.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:23am
Matt Long

The former editor of Recount, who debunked the pizzagate child abuse stories, has been found with hundreds of images and videos showing child sex abuse, including at least one video he produced himself.
How weird is that? As weird as the Podesta art collection? As weird as all the Diddy party people endorsing Harris?
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/ex-news-site-editor-had-hundreds-of-child-sex-abuse-images-mass-da-says/3194061/
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November 7, 2024 8:49am
- cmm
  
  That article is a year old.
  
  The real news is how the authorities have slow-walked the process. A year later the discovery process continues…
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:35am
- cmm
  
  50 cents and a servo pie says that when Slade Sohmer finally gets locked up he hangs himself with a 5 sheets of toilet paper.
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:39am
Grunter

Democrats deserve to lose for lying about the war in Ukraine and dragging innocent men to their deaths. And for driving neo-Marxism even further than ever before in the USA.

Will Trump be the answer? IMO – NO!!

Too late to stop WW3 – 3 Reasons Why:
1. Trump’s massive Tarriffs will start a global trade war that will hurt almost all economies and drive inflation up. In effect ‘Financial WW3’ in a global economy that has never before been this interdependent economically. China will react big time, and then it will turn ugly….

2. Russia has recently signed up to a comprehensive defence alliance with North Korea. In 2 weeks they sign a similar deal with Iran. These are NATO-type deals – “attack one and we all respond.” With Netanyahu’s Israel (just sacked his Defence Minister – obviously, things need to ramp up….) intending on dealing to Iran (and they will) – how does that not bring Russia and the USA into direct conflict?

3. Trump is too late to save Ukraine. He will likely stop the funding, but the war-mad Zelensky needs a war to survive so there will never be a peace deal that is sustainable. Trump will not just roll over, but he has no cards to play and Putin will negotiate hard.
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November 7, 2024 8:53am
- cmm
  
  Once there is a war raging there are never any easy solutions.
  
  Biden tried the “oops, let’s just run off home” method in Afghanistan and see what a shit show that turned into.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:27am
- rouppe
  
  On your point 2, Russia is the first to bring a member of their alliance into a conflict that they started, and had nothing to do with North Korea.
  
  That’s potentially going to allow a European response to threats at their border
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:36am
  - Grunter
    
    I think you’ll find that NATO have been involved in Ukraine for quite a while now……
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:07am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Logistically? yes.
      
      Providing Intel? Yes.
      
      Training Troops? Yes.
      
      However, Ukraine has weakened the Russian Military to a point where a conventional War between Nato and Russia would only end one way.
      
      Russia’s only defence is the possibility that the war would not stay conventional
      
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      November 7, 2024 10:18am
      - Grunter
        
        Yep – I’d agree with all of that. If (when…?) this ends up in a direct war between NATO & Russia then NATO has superior balance of power, so would most likely defeat Russia. But that doesn’t mean Russia can be conquered in the sense that NATO takes over the entire Russian landmass and remaining population. That would require millions of boots on the ground. And, Russia would go nuclear before that happens…..then no one wins _ mutual destruction.
        
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        November 7, 2024 11:08am
      - Jake Dee
        
        Explain how NATO defeats Russia.
        Politically, diplomatically, economically? all of that has been tried, has been going on for years and has failed.
        Militarily ? That would require a gigantic air campaign the likes of which has never been seen plus a heavy metal blitzkrieg to Moscow. That in turn would require a Genghis Khan or Napoleon Bonaparte which NATO doesn’t have plus an army that it hasn’t had in thirty years and would take at least a generation to build.
        Short of an event equivalent to Lord Jesus Christ coming down from heaven, the East wins this one.
        
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        November 7, 2024 3:41pm
- David Garrett
  
  Grunter: the war-mad Zelensky needs a war to survive…
  
  Really? So Putin didn’t start the conflict by invading Ukraine then? Forget all the “proxy war” theories – one nation started this conflict, and it wasn’t Ukraine.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:05am
  - Grunter
    
    You forgot to add – IMO
    
    There is plenty of realistic analysis laying out how this conflict has been going on well before Russian troops entered Ukraine in 2022. You may well refute that is the case, but fighting in this region was going on in 2014
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:10am
    - Jake Dee
      
      Overtly it started in 2014.
      Covertly it started in 1991 or even earlier.
      
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      November 7, 2024 3:43pm
  - Eastlander
    
    Zelensky decided 2022 was the year to roll up the separatists. The army undertook the largest series of artillery bombardments since 2015, focused on a few key areas which one can infer were the intended avenues of advance. A large contingent of the marines had been assembled in Mariupol for a landing in the Novoazovsk district, in the rear of the opposing force. The Russians for their part had always indicated that they would directly oppose any attempt to revise the outcome of the 2014-2015 war. Zelensky bet on this being a bluff, and the results of his gamble are there for all to see.
    
    It was not an especially surprising move for him to make – his prospects in the upcoming election against Poroshenko were dire, and after his attempts to have Poroshenko imprisoned he was well aware that Poroshenko would be eager to repay the favour once back in office. It must be said that Zelensky showed considerably less sobriety than Poroshenko who had accepted his loss in 2019 despite the personal difficulties he could expect to face once out of office.
    
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    November 7, 2024 1:12pm
  - cmm
    
    DG: Putin didn’t start the conflict. He joined the conflict.
    
    Ukraine has been a civil war zone for well over a decade.
    
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    November 7, 2024 3:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think Trump has many cards up his sleeve to play against Zelenski and Putin.
  We will see. Most of his promises come true.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:26am
  - Grunter
    
    What cards does he have? Realistically I don’t see any at this late stage of the war.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Remember that chess game he plays – in 3 to 5 D?
      
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      November 7, 2024 7:02pm
- NothingLeft
  
  What can Trump do to end war? He needs useful things to threaten Russia with. Eg;
  -Give Ukraine big long range missiles to wreck infrastructure, eg tomahawks.
  -Bring Remains of Ukraine into Nato on a short time-line.
  -Deliver an ultimatum on a final compromise new borderline with a short timeline, saying USA military will hit any Russian incursions across that line after that date.
  -Interdict more Russian trade.
  -Threaten Iran and North Korea into cutting support.
  -Reduce Russias oil income – via threats to customers or interdiction of delivery infrastructure.
  
  I think Putin has been planning on ending war soon, given desperate throw-everything-at-them meat wave assaults of last few months. SO won’t be surprised if war ends in next few months on something like current front lines.
  
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  November 7, 2024 1:12pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Three more big levers for Trump:
    -Can drop sanctions if Putin reasonable
    -Can hand back $100’s of billions in confiscated Russian assets in West.
    -Can give amnesty for war crimes.
    
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    November 7, 2024 2:50pm
  - Grunter
    
    Your bullet points pretty much describe the start of WW3 if enacted. And obviously, Tomahawks need NATO military personnel and guidance systems to fire them.
    
    So I think we are agreeing, Trump can threaten an escalation (WW3), “take it or leave it” type deal, but if the deal isn’t agreed by Putin and the hardliner Ruskies, then what?
    
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    November 7, 2024 2:54pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The threat of WW3 is enough.
      You think Putin and Xi are looking closely at Trump’s 4 years?
      Yes they are. Respect comes back into the negotiations.
      
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      November 7, 2024 7:08pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    All of that is just escalating and expanding the war. Doubling and tripling down on a losing proposition. With China the only true strategic competitor to America the only realistic path to Washington winning is splitting Beijing from Moscow.
    I would give that 10 to 1 against.
    
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    November 7, 2024 3:48pm
Frank the tank

Poor old Jack Tame – managed to convince a broke TVNZ to send him across and have a seat at the table of the coronation of Kamala Harris only to have a re-run of 2016. Reverse Midas.
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November 7, 2024 9:00am
- imalwaysright
  
  YouTube had all of the worlds major and minor news channels providing coverage.
  
  I’m not sure what Jack and the other geezer could add to that apart from Jack showing off his dads coat and his mums sunnies.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:06am
- geoff3012
  
  Bloody hilarious…..thought he was going to cry….
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I thought he was crying.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:27am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The United Spot.

She lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWcpmAHlMLg
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November 7, 2024 9:00am
Blog-aholic

With the USA voting away from the looney left we have waiting in the wings Canada to the north to do the same………
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November 7, 2024 9:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They have to do something – socialism doesn’t work.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:30am
Mod88

Given there is only one big talking point today don’t drown in the tears of the Leftys, enjoy the moment.

Gloat For The Goat

https://x.com/DustieDahl/status/1854164363021541499
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November 7, 2024 9:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is well done.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:34am
Steve Todd

One of the reasons why I like The Young Turks is that they criticise the Republicans and the Democrats equally. While they are left leaning, they are not biased towards the Left.

Yesterday, as it was becoming clear that Kamala Harris and the Democrats were having a bad day, Cenk Uygur, John Iadarola & Michael Shure discussed the results with Congressman Steve Cohen (D–Tenn): see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPhbQrBPS2c [17:48].

From 8:00, Uygur makes the point that the Democrats deliver for their donors and not for their voters. (This has always been a bone of contention for Uygur.) From 13:15, he asks Cohen if there is any chance that Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries will be removed. Cohen replied, probably not.

Cohen agreed with Cenk that the Democrats won’t change a thing, and that, while he will go back if they lose the House, it will be “hard to stay”.

An interesting interview. The Democrats have got a lot of soul-searching to do, but probably won’t do it. Hint: it really is the economy.
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November 7, 2024 9:10am
- All_on_Red
  
  You and the pundits like Cohen, Scaramucci, the Sexist Pig at TYT, the Bulwark and the Lincoln Project have been so wrong I doubt anybody will take anything any of you say seriously again.
  The nonsense about the Gender Gap was hilarious since none of you know what a woman is. Not a surprise given the Beta Males in the Democrat Party
  Hint- it’s really more than the economy
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:28am
- Tom Hunter
  
  🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
  
  Are the walls closing in yet, Steve?
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:42am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Don’t be silly, Tom. As I said at General Debate last Thursday, “if Trump wins, sure, I will be disappointed, but I also know that I will simply suck it up and carry on with my life.”
    
    No doubt just as you did in 2008, 2012, and 2020.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:07am
- kowtow
  
  Why would any organisation use the name of a political movement that engaged in genocides .
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:43am
- RoboRob
  
  Only seen clips of the Young Turks but would never watch. Cenk Uygur is a deranged man who frequently breaks down into yelling at his opponents. Whilst he clearly is intelligent and sometimes makes sound arguements he acts like a little baby. Which, given your dislike for Trump, surprises me that you would like him!
  
  He is a regular on Pearce Morgans Unplugged podcast, which is often like Jerry Springer, and you can see why. He is chosen not for his words of wisdom but for his ability to loose his shit at the drop of a hat.
  
  I would suggest one of the many other left wing with a little right wing podcasts like perhaps breaking points. At least Crystal Ball can control her emotions.
  
  p.s. I said left win with a little right wing as it seems most of these ‘both sides’ podcasts tend to end up with hard leftists with centrists or moderates on the other side.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:47am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Jonathan Pie has a better set of explanations
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:48am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    A great summation of why the centrists went right.
    
    Identity Politics will kill you.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:15am
Swifty

I wonder what the future holds for Harris and Walz?

Will the Democrats next four years be centered around them or will they slink off into obscurity?

I did see some commentary overnight that picking Walz was a mistake from Harris and that he added absolutely nothing to her chances – unlike Vance who appears to have been a great pick and a great communicator.
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November 7, 2024 9:33am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Saturday Night Live did a skit the other day of “Guess That Name” and brought out one Tim Kaine, who was actually Hillary’s running mate in 2016 and is currently a senator; the whole joke being that the “Liberal” contestant couldn’t name him.
  
  I reckon Harris and Walz will be forgotten even faster.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:44am
  - RoboRob
    
    That was hillarious and funny that Kaine and Walz even look the same.
    
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    November 7, 2024 9:49am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Very true. In fact, if you’d asked me this morning to name Hillary’s running mate, I would have looked at you blankly and gaped.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:46am
    - Swifty
      
      Me too.
      
      I don’t even recall his name even now.
      
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      November 7, 2024 1:43pm
- RoboRob
  
  I imagine Harris will end up at some not for profit law firm, earning a huge wage.
  
  Tim will probably just truck on. He was never president material and should not have been picked. The Dems were just to0 scared to pick a jew as Kamalas running mate.
  
  Vance could go on to be a two term president. He might even be an excellent one. Vance is actually much more an old school Dem then a Rep generally and was an excellent pick. Clearly Trump was looking to the future with Vance rather then just picking up electorate votes, although Vance certainly may have done that with his appearances, especially against Walz.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Vance future 2 terms – that is the plan I think.
    Trump will then be in the background, like Obama.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:43am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Harris will end up with a lucrative speaking circuit gig and a book deal. The book will sell millions of copies, and in about five years you will see stacks of boxes filled with barely read copies at charity book sales. But she’ll have milked the cow dry by then.
    
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    November 7, 2024 10:49am
    - RoboRob
      
      I would have said that, cause thats normal. But
      1. She never was President (or wife of a president).
      2. She doesn’t have a huge political power base or foundation that donors want to earn favour with.
      3. Unlike all the others, she is just painful to listen to.
      
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      November 7, 2024 11:24am
      - cmm
        
        ” She never was President ”
        
        She was acting President for an hour or two while Biden was anesthetized for a colonoscopy.
        
        I wonder though whether Joe will be forced to step aside to give Harris a couple of months in the big chair.
        
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        November 7, 2024 11:44am
    - Frank the tank
      
      No. She will be the scapegoat. Watch for the clique (Obamas/Clintons/Bidens/Pelosi) to turn against her in due course. There needs to be a fall person.
      
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      November 7, 2024 12:49pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      She’ll get an NGO sinecure, with a fat paycheck for nothing simply because the DNC, like the Mafia, need to do it as a statement of their power and influence (can’t have a top dog languishing after they’ve been set aside). But noone will want to have anything to do with her, they all see how useless she is.
      
      Politicians book deals are just money laundering via outrageously large advances paid by anonymous parties, no-one ever reads them.
      
      Kamala’s campaign has apparently left a $20 million debt after frittering away billions on very expensive events with bused in ‘supporters’ who were on the payroll. Lots of unhappy campers who haven’t been paid.
      
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      November 7, 2024 8:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why the hell should rural school principals be expected to be drinking water experts?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/533074/paperwork-cost-of-safe-water-plans-tipping-some-principals-over-the-edge

Why don’t the folks at the water Quality regulator Taumata Arowai get off their bums and do the work themselves?
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November 7, 2024 9:47am
- pdm
  
  Better still Maggy.
  
  Get rid of Taumata Arowai.
  
  I still cannot understand how it survived the 3/5/10/All/Mahuta Waters clean out.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:24am
Swifty

I’ve got a meeting with Wellington City Council staff at 11am.

I guess they’ll all be in mourning.

I’ll wear black.
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November 7, 2024 9:50am
- Ghost
  
  Slap a little whiskey on for aftershave, see if the mayor comes running.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:54am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Dread thought!
    
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    November 7, 2024 7:20pm
mogg

“Drill baby drill”
Mass sackings of public servants, reinstate the travel ban from Muslim countries, expel illegals, tariffs on Chinese and European countries which don’t compete fairly.
From my first day in office”
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November 7, 2024 9:52am
- Benedict Yu
  
  How are such tariffs consistent with WTO rules? The whole point of the WTO was to stop unilateral protectionism currently being advocated by Trump.
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:38am
  - cmm
    
    WTO? Who cares?
    
    Tarrifs are fully justified if they are there to protect against subsidies etc.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:46am
  - mogg
    
    China dumping, WTO Trump will be shaking in his shoes,
    
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    November 7, 2024 1:13pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Clearly you have never studied Economics 101. All sides lose from tariffs.
  
  Besides, the Tariffs on Europe, China, Russia, the blowing up of the Russia – Germany pipeline have nothing to do with protecting the free world and citizens.
  
  If they were concerned with protecting the free world and citizens, the first step would be to stop WW3, aka the Eugenics war, and imprison all those who push it i.e the mRNA Eugenics war.
  
  No, the tariffs have nothing to do with freedom, but eliminating competition to USA companies owned by the elite. Tyranny relies on eliminating the free market.
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:52am
  - mogg
    
    Do you mean like the Chinese free market economy.
    
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    November 7, 2024 1:16pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      And the NZ free market economy?
      
      Our country was full blown Marxist for 6 years and our country is still run by woke racists in the govt depts, universities and media.
      
      And the death toll at the hands of the Ardern govt due to vaccine injuries; and the excess deaths since the vaccine rollout between 19 and 49 year olds sits at 26%.
      
      Our shit stinks as much as the Chinese shit as much as USA shit.
      
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      November 7, 2024 6:35pm
- Handyman
  
  You used quote marks. Are you quoting Trump directly or what CNN said?
  
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  November 7, 2024 4:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The USA Constitution limits the term of President to 2.

If the good folks of USA had voted Trumpy for President in 2000, then they’d be looking at a new President-elect today.
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November 7, 2024 9:53am
- RoboRob
  
  If Biden (or his handlers) hadn’t picked a DEI VP, the dems wouldn’t have been stuck with Kamala is a candidate after it became clear Biden had lost his marbles.
  
  Next election I look forward to two decent, non aged, strong candidates.
  
  Sure one will be hitler and the other will be destroying american families, as usual, but it would be nice to see some less polarising candidates.
  
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  November 7, 2024 9:57am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Perhaps they have so much control of the ‘deep state’ that it does not matter who is in power. Much like NZ.
    
    Perhaps the ‘Weekend at ~~Bernie’s~~ Biden’s’ show, and the ‘Kamala Clown Show’ was all deliberate, to show how much control they have of deep state, and how stupid people have become.
    
    “The USA public saw through the Kamala Clown Show, and TDS marketing, so were not stupefied enough from the original nanobot jabs, that were supposed to make them compliant and controllable.
    
    They all need at least another 6 jabs, at 3 month intervals. We need another pandemic and vaccines sales push. Lets ramp up Monkey pox now.”
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:43am
  - Handyman
    
    Biden picked Harris specifically to be unchallenged.
    He thought picking an obviously useless unpopular, but totally loyal, VP would stop any attempt to replace him on the ballot. It almost worked – until the Trump debate.
    
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    November 7, 2024 4:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hitler reacts to Trump winning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpCdX2g31ww
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November 7, 2024 9:56am
Tom Hunter

I don’t understand why my simple offer…

“Would you like me to explain why you lost?”

… has not appeared on the following blogs”
– No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
– The Pyschic Scream (TDB, “Bomber”)
– The Standard.

I’ll keep trying. Surely they want to know, so that they can win next time?
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November 7, 2024 10:05am
Sparrow

Whatever you think about Trump there are two other winners. The little people and democracy. The deplorables won in 2016 and the garbage won in 2024. The elite, celebs, woke just don’t get it. Its how much you can afford to put into that supermarket trolley. One vote per person proved itself again and it needs to be defended.
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November 7, 2024 10:16am
- Ghost
  
  Winning the election is only part of what has to happen. Will he make it to January 20th.
  
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  November 7, 2024 12:24pm
Surely Knott

What happens to Ardern from here? Now that the election is over and the Dems lost. Is that job over for her? What is happening with her $30 million Gates fund that she’s been given to distribute? Does she continue on living in the USA under a Trump presidency? Will she come back here? Move to Canada? France? Where is left for them to hide?
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November 7, 2024 10:22am
- Cassandra
  
  Madagascar has a quite pleasant climate.
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:12am
  - kevn
    
    Mr and Mrs Markle have bought a decent pad and are moving to Portugal apparently…
    
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    November 7, 2024 12:30pm
    - Ghost
      
      Guess the democrats didn’t want her for 2028
      
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      November 7, 2024 12:32pm
- JackRabbit
  
  She will go where ever her puppeteers send her.
  
  She is a pawn in a giant chess game.
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:28am
- rouppe
  
  There’s no reason she can’t continue on as she has. It will all depend on the money and since none of the money she currently takes is federal (is it?) that gig will continue.
  
  It’s not as though she was ever speaking to Conservatives…
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:46am
- Ghost
  
  Her demand could increase. The left are struggling in the uk, the USA. Her friend in Canada is about to get the boot. The left need a global figurehead to rescue them.
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:59am
rouppe

Caught a little bit of Kamala Harris’ speech.

Basically saying they will continue the fight for equality, blah blah blah.

The clear implication that this election doesn’t represent those things.

She just doesn’t get it.
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November 7, 2024 10:36am
- mandk
  
  It’s the speech than many a 9th grade student could have delivered.
  
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  November 7, 2024 10:57am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Or AI.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:55am
  - JackRabbit
    
    You are being generous to Kamala and discourteous to 9th graders. 9th grade is 14-16, depending on country.
    
    We wrote and delivered class speeches/essays far better than that at age 12. And I know some young and upcoming children younger than that who have a better understanding of politics and personal responsibility than most adults.
    
    Kamala has the emotional and intellectual age of a six year old child, planted into an adult body.
    
    And possesses all the qualities of a well trained narcissist.
    
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    November 7, 2024 12:08pm
    - mandk
      
      Yes, you are correct, JR.
      I apologise.
      
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      November 7, 2024 1:11pm
- infused
  
  It was garbage, I stopped after a few minutes.
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:26am
- lifesgood
  
  6 Good Afternoons 🙂 Still word waffling.
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:38am
- kowtow
  
  If Trump had made that speech with the word “fight” repeated so many times the media would againbe accusing him of violent rhetoric .
  She of course gets the usual pass as she popped in “joy” a cuppla times.
  
  Anyway it was ungracious , pointless and airy fairey , she has nothing to appeal to the average struggling voter ( note where this speech was done to appeal to the racial , educated activist voter) and her rhetoric just doesn’t help people who’re trying to make ends meet in her and Creepy Joe’s inflationary and deindustrialising USA.
  Out of touch Elites that they are.
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I wonder how the US Public Sector is feeling?
Sphincters clenching with Elon Musk coming for the big cost saving cleanout?
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November 7, 2024 10:49am
- NothingLeft
  
  more importantly; how about real estate markets adjacent washington DC. Crashing as we speak?
  
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  November 7, 2024 8:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Yep, they are melting down.

https://rumble.com/v5mgtmq-liberals-are-melting-down-over-trumps-victory.html?
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November 7, 2024 10:55am
- David Garrett
  
  Steve O: Please tell me that is spoof site…Are there really that many totally mad Yanks??
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:14am
  - RoboRob
    
    There are real. But to be fair there are 400+ million of them, so there are plenty of crazies on all sides.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:27am
  - infused
    
    Check out Twitter man. They are collating them there.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:27am
  - lifesgood
    
    Just typical lefties. Thank God Trump won. At least I’m happy.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:36am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    That dog in the second one loves (il)Liberal tears. Must be a Republican.
    
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    November 7, 2024 11:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They are real DG. They all have severe TDS.
    
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    November 7, 2024 7:12pm
Lee C

I hope this doesn’t mean we’ll have to endure another five seasons of:

‘The Handmaid’s Tale’.
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November 7, 2024 11:06am
kevn

SteveO… The meltdown winner is. This.
https://x.com/dvorahfr/status/1854274565418922203
Second is..
https://x.com/ClownWorld_/status/1854274254852047128
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November 7, 2024 11:13am
- cmm
  
  There’s good coin in these viral melt downs. They don’t care whether you are laughing at them or crying with them.
  
  A million views for a stupid video like that might earn $50 or so per platform.
  
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  November 7, 2024 11:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes cmm
    
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    November 7, 2024 7:16pm
Inandout

Can you believe this which our apprentice sparkies learn.

Maori terms:
Neutral, symbol N
Earth, symbol E
From a Maori perspective, the term “earth” or Papatuanuku
translates as Earth Mother – the source of all energy. When aligning
this concept to the flow of electricity, a useful parallel can be made to
the 3-pin plug.
Electricity
Active (phase)
Maori
Spiritual element, active, tapu
Neutral
Earth
Physical element, neutral, noa
Mauri or life force derived from
Papatuanuku or Earth Mother
For the purposes of regulation 17(2)(n), for payment or reward also
means koha.
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November 7, 2024 11:55am
- Blog-aholic
  
  R.I.D.I.C.U.L.O.U.S
  adjective
  deserving or inviting derision or mockery; absurd.
  
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  November 7, 2024 12:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  the term “earth” or Papatuanuku
  translates as Earth Mother – the source of all energy. When aligning
  this concept to the flow of electricity, a useful parallel can be made to
  the 3-pin plug.
  
  How bloody dangerous is that?
  
  Why bother earthing any object if the “energy source” is the Earth itself?
  
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  November 7, 2024 2:24pm
  - peterwn
    
    Electricity was in experimental stages at the time of the Treaty. The first serious use of electricity for lighting would have been 30 or so years after the Treaty and the first reticulated electricity in New York was 42 years after the Treaty and in NZ (Reefton) 48 years after the Treaty.
    So it is difficult how electricity has anything to do with the Treaty.
    
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    November 7, 2024 2:54pm
    - Jack5
      
      Peterwn’s …it is difficult how electricity has anything to do with the Treaty …
      
      Same with radio and the country’s wireless spectrum, a slice of which has been given to Maori, plus taxpayer money for an organisation to manage that portion. An additional portion is being added for 5G cellphone networks.
      
      Here’s one Maori explanation of why the wireless spectrum is a taonga, or Maori treasure:
      
      “… Hirini Moko Mead described the Māori view of the intensely tapu nature of the space that we breathe and the space above the human being, above our heads, which is the abode of the gods and where all knowledge, good and bad, comes from.”
      
      https://e-tangata.co.nz/media/the-spectrum-the-battle-to-reclaim-a-taonga/
      
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      November 7, 2024 5:46pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Sid Mead was a chancer, eh
        
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        November 7, 2024 7:25pm
- Jake Dee
  
  They are being TOLD this no one is LEARNING this.
  No one is running their heating/cooling and lighting on a Papatuanuku.
  
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  November 7, 2024 3:55pm
Jack5

Paddywhacking …

Conclusive evidence the MMP electoral system is a crock: Paddy Gower thinks it’s best.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360478437/paddy-gower-us-election-makes-me-thankful-new-zealand-has-mmp
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November 7, 2024 12:20pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  Paddy Gower is irrelevant, just like NewsHub.
  
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  November 7, 2024 1:17pm
- Handyman
  
  Gower does not understand the US constitution.
  The electoral college system is specifically designed to avoid an MMP situation. Say large states like California/New York/Texas go batshit crazy and 100% vote Democrat. It means the large states become dominant and the president will be Democrat. Presidents elected by the top few states will tend to favour those states, further entrenching their position.
  
  The purpose of the electoral college mechanism is to make it impossible to become president without appealing to a wide range of voters in a wide range of states. The difference in population is accounted for by having the number of electors pro rated.
  Think of it as MMP at a state level rather than an individual level.
  
  The House, for balance, is blind to states’ boundaries and is a highly granular FPP system.
  
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  November 7, 2024 4:05pm
cmm

Why isn’t this (inaudible) in prison?

Three significant driving offenses. A complete danger to the public (I franky don’t care about his endangering himself) and very few consequences:

* Speeding at 130kph in a 100 zone.
* Driving at speed at night with lights off attempting to evade police.
* Driving at over 215kph on icy roads.

The worst he has copped in a 28 day license suspension and sentenced to attend the “Right Track Programme”.

Bullshit – he should have had his car taken away and see the inside of prison for a few days too.

I understand he’s a tradie and needs transport. But there is no reason for him to own a high performance Audi. He doesn’t need anything more than a nanna car that can go 110kph tops.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350411317/driver-clocked-215kph-says-he-was-running-late-soccer
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November 7, 2024 12:31pm
- Ghost
  
  I’d like to see people like this have their license disqualified. Banned from driving for at least a year. Then have to restart from a learners license. Trying to evade the police should be an automatic jail sentence.
  
  I expect within a year we will read he has killed someone
  
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  November 7, 2024 12:51pm
  - H. Upmann
    
    “automatic jail sentence” … then seize the car and crush it.
    
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    November 7, 2024 1:17pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Why crush it? Seize the car and sell it.
      
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      November 7, 2024 2:31pm
  - peterwn
    
    If you lose your licence for more than a year (eg a year and a day) you have to resit the full theory and practical tests (but not the learner ones). Some judges deliberately disqualify for a year and a day to force that to happen.
    
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    November 7, 2024 2:45pm
- cmm
  
  I am a fairly broad minded person. People can conduct their lives as they choose so long as it doesn’t negatively impact on others.
  
  This bloke seems to have a death wish that will not be satisfied until he kills himself. If he really wants to do so then that is his business.
  
  All I ask is that he does it without endangering others.
  
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  November 7, 2024 4:46pm
Eastlander

https://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=165352

https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/360476971/proposed-future-civic-square-bridge-too-far

In short, WCC held a public meeting over their unwanted redevelopment plans for civic square and the waterfront. Council staff wasted most of the meeting with their own talking, refused to answer any but a small number of approved questions and had an old man with a walking stick escorted out for objecting to the high-handed way the meeting was conducted.

It is becoming difficult to avoid borrowing from Trump and describing WCC’s executive leadership as ‘enemies of the people’.
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November 7, 2024 1:22pm
rangitoto

Badenoch serves an ace at Starmer:

https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1854163150960283867
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November 7, 2024 2:12pm
Swifty

The Maori Party clown show keeps clowning:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=louRccW5z-0

Beep beep! 🤡🤡🤡
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November 7, 2024 3:31pm
- Ghost
  
  Under speaker, brain fart I’ve forgotten his name. Thanks google, mallard, they would be thrown out for disputing the speaker
  
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  November 7, 2024 3:37pm
Swifty

Gulp. This one hurts a bit.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360478700/last-surviving-maori-battalion-member-dies

A wonderful life has ended. 🪴

Haere ra Bom.
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November 7, 2024 5:51pm
Hugh Jarse

Christchurch city councillor Allie Jones was just on with HDPA squealing with righteous indignant about Trump winning. She needed a cold shower and a lay down. Maybe yet again the left have failed to realise that their ideology is in a minority. Most people just want secure jobs, food on the table, a roof over their heads, and a good life for their families, all the gender and racial stuff pushed by the left is just BS to them and they aren’t going to angst themselves over it. I hope the left continue to delude themselves on these points.
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November 7, 2024 6:17pm
NothingLeft

Turnout has apparently exceeded 100% in some parts of battle-ground state Wisconsin (deepest blue Oak Creek in Milwaukee).
https://x.com/TonerousHyus/status/1854372137890451889

Democrats are amazingly good at generating high voter turnouts in their cities – just super duper enthusiastic voters. Good thing too as it looks like they have just managed to score a win for their Democrat Senator by the smallest of margins.
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November 7, 2024 6:30pm
NothingLeft

Rasmussen Pollster deservedly crowing about how accurate their polling was and how appallingly biased (and clearly tortured to flatter Harris for propaganda purposes after her candidacy announced) most of the rest of the polling industry is:
https://youtu.be/Il3PbiS823Y
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November 7, 2024 6:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

OK, after the election this old boy is going to sleep.
I watched so much on the bedroom TV the speaker of the house left to sleep in the lounge. 4 am she woke me up. Cup of tea and bikies.
So yes, a lie down (I cooked dinner OK?)
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