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Scott

The Free Speech Union are doing stellar work, safeguarding the freedom of ordinary kiwis. They met recently with the police commissioner following concerns about the police cracking down on hate speech. The police have no legislative mandate to enforce rules on hate speech, they just thought it was a good thing to do?

So this from an email, received this morning, from the FSU –

“Two months ago, we contacted you with the biggest issue we have dealt with yet. The NZ Police were wading into areas far, far beyond their remit, training their officers to ‘recognise, record, and respond’ to ‘hate speech’.
This afternoon, I am thrilled to tell you that we’ve pushed the NZ Police back, helped them to see reason, and they’re entirely revising their training, changing the framework, and reviewing every file they had flagged with ‘hate’.

The Police Commissioner instructed a complete review of the training material.
✅ The training is being fully redesigned.
✅ The definition of ‘hate crime’ is being reset, connected explicitly to the Police’s responsibility to protect ‘physical safety’.
✅ Whenever ‘hate crimes’ are flagged, there will be a review to ensure that this is an appropriate response.”

Great work from the Free Speech Union! 😎
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November 6, 2024 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  And here was silly me thinking that was the job of our elected “representatives”.
  
  FSU and taxpayer unions filling a huge constitutional gap.
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:32am
  - Swifty
    
    That’s a good point.
    
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    November 6, 2024 9:44am
- G152
  
  Do not trust the Police.
  They are permitted by law to lie to us.
  And hate speech isnt a thing when you have freedom of speech
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:39am
- lastmanstanding
  
  It never ceases to amuse and amaze me how people who consider themselves sane rational and knowledgeable cant seperate Trump the man from Trump the policies. Politics is and should be a contest of ideas not a personality contest. TDS is truly named.
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:54am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    So what are his policies? It’s actually a serious question.
    
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    November 6, 2024 9:07am
    - Mike
      
      Project 2025, although he denies it and (credibly) says he hasn’t read it.
      
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      November 6, 2024 9:31am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Project 25 is a Democrat construct designed to deceive voters.
        But what’s new ?
        
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        November 6, 2024 10:32am
- NothingLeft
  
  Dump the ‘hate speech’ bullshit propaganda already.
  
  There is violence, which is criminal, an expression of hate or malignancy. But ‘hate speech’ is nothing more than a left wing initiative to shut down dissenting political opinion on myriad topics.
  
  Demand resilience of adults, don’t accept or give license to infantile complaints about being ‘offended’, the most bullshit of irrelevancies, as it is an essential part of living in a properly democratic society with free speech and heterodox ideas.
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:36am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    The contemporary left’s criteria for “hate speech” are indicated by just how easy it is to get banned from The Standard. I’m now on my 3rd ban – I imagine the next time it will be a final ban.
    
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    November 6, 2024 10:16am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Treaty Principles Bill: David Seymour confirms plans to bring forward controversial bill.
“He said the Waitangi Tribunal had wanted a proposed date, so one was given, but it was not uncommon for dates of legislation to change.
The date of the first reading is not yet known.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/treaty-principles-bill-david-seymour-confirms-plans-to-introduce-bill-on-thursday/62NIPT3FBNBTRJWUCTPBMUAYVQ/?
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November 6, 2024 8:05am
- pdm
  
  I support the Treaty Principles Bill.
  
  It is now time for National and NZFirst to say they too will support it right through the House.
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:11am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I think its a mistake
    If you define ‘Principles’ today then you open the door for a future Government to alter those to whatever they like.
    And there are no Principles in the Treaty.
    Just three Articles setting out the Terms.
    As a Nation we need to move past the Treaty.
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:15am
    - David George
      
      That is precisely why there is the need for a binding referendum.
      
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      November 6, 2024 8:29am
    - rouppe
      
      I do agree with you. But there’s rocks and hard places all over the show.
      
      If you look to make any changes to the actual Treaty, including setting it aside as the basis for any legal or constitutional argument, it would cause chaos.
      
      If you do nothing, the courts will continue to expand the scope of what interpretations of the Treaty means in our everyday lives.
      
      You could simply reverse the assertion that there are principles at all. Or you could define some principles.
      
      I think of those two I’d prefer the former, but we are where we are.
      
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      November 6, 2024 8:30am
    - imalwaysright
      
      All,
      I agree that it should be retired and most kiwis are sick of it.
      Note that there is no full and final consensus amongst treaty supporters as to their “interpretation” of the document.
      This means that, whatever the Seymour bill says, the treaty supporters will simply focus on some other aspect of the treaty and open a new can of worms.
      
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      November 6, 2024 8:32am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        This means that, whatever the Seymour bill says, the treaty supporters will simply focus on some other aspect of the treaty and open a new can of worms.
        
        Indeed.
        
        No-one seems to remember when the Waitangi Action Committee were telling us that “The Treaty is a Fraud”
        
        https://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/object/665955#:~:text='The%20Treaty%20is%20a%20Fraud'%20was%20one%20of%20the%20resonant,Treaty%20of%20Waitangi%20at%20Waitangi.
        
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        November 6, 2024 10:25am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    NZF won’t as they have consistently said that the Treaty has no principles in its wording. Therefore it would be nonsensical to support a bill that creates them.
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:17am
    - Colville
      
      …. and NZF opposes anything that ACT proposes.
      
      That is Peters small man syndrome showing thru.
      
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      November 6, 2024 8:38am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      That is a little bizarre really. All public servants have the “Treaty Principles” drummed into them. One of them is “Partnership”. As I understand it, David Seymour’s Bill would end that.
      
      I think Winston needs a better explanation.
      
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      November 6, 2024 8:40am
      - imalwaysright
        
        “All public servants have the “Treaty Principles” drummed into them”
        Because public servants are told to believe something doesn’t make it true.
        Yes, there are words described by some as Treaty Principles, but these have as much veracity and provenance as any other work of fiction.
        
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        November 6, 2024 9:12am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I agree. And the Seymour Bill would end that.
        
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        November 6, 2024 9:53am
    - waikatosinger
      
      Unfortunately treaty principles are mentioned in many acts of parliament without ever being defined. You either define them as ACT wants to do, or you you have to get rid of all these clauses.
      
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      November 6, 2024 9:59am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    National and NZ First should support it. But if they don’t, and ACT go out and get enough signatures for a citizens initiated referendum at the same time as the next election, that would be ok too.
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Watch National and NZF do a U-turn come Election time.
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:48am
- Cassandra
  
  The main principle to be clarified is partnership. It’s the cause of most of the distortion. Kuini Wai ti po is not the equal of Charles III and further down the chain there is no relationship. Māoris are NZ citizens with all the rights which ensue, such as a vote. That’s it. Same as the rest of us. There was and is no partnership.
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:19am
  - pdm
    
    Cass my understanding is allaying the PARTNERSHIP MYTH is what Seymours Bill is all about.
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:30am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes.
      
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      November 6, 2024 8:41am
  - AitchW
    
    Cassandra, let’s face it she’s not the queen of all Maori. She’s essentially the chief of the Tainui tribe.
    Ngapuhi and Ngai Tahu recognise her as a queen only grudgingly and in private, I suspect, pour scorn on her presumption.
    Cheeky darkies! ( credit to Paul Holmes.)
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:45am
    - Burtland
      
      given that shes been gagged for a year there must be some higher deity
      
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      November 6, 2024 9:06am
    - pdm
      
      AW – isn’t it more that she is Queen of Tainui.
      
      The role of Chief of Tainui probably rests with Tuku Morgan and a few of his `wannabe’ mates.
      
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      November 6, 2024 9:47am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, we need to lose this idea of “partnership”.
    
    A partnership is between two or more distinct entitities with some overlapping interests but distinct identities.
    Therefore there must be separation for there to be a partnership.
    
    The only way past this nonsense is to do away with the concept and become one people. No more Pakeha vs Maori, Maori vs Crown, etc etc.
    
    As you say, once Maori became British subjects that should have been the end of it. Any lingering confusion should have been cleared up by the Native Rights Act of 1865.
    
    That didn’t last long. It was only 2 years later that Maori were given special status in elections in the Maori Representation Act. That act arguably had a purpose.
    
    That act should have been repealed when it was no longer justified with the introduction of universal male suffrage in 19 December 1879.
    
    Here we are 145 years later and nobody has had the balls to fix this issue. The current milk-sops certainly won’t.
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:46am
    - Scooter
      
      Well if it was a partnership it was one sided, being the English and subsequent immigrants brought more and contributed far more to NZ than Maori ever did.
      
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      November 6, 2024 8:54am
      - Cantabrian
        
        Notice that there is never any offer by the recipients of large treaty settlements to pay the Crown (we taxpayers) fot the infrastructure and facilities our parents paid for during the development of the country. Just demands for more…more…more…
        
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        November 6, 2024 9:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only the activists use the term “partnership.”
    There is no such thing.
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:53am
- Benedict Yu
  
  A question. Has any government ever introduced a Government Bill with the expressed intention of not supporting the Bill at its Second Reading? It seems utterly bizarre. I hope that it backfires politically on the National Party.
  
  Another question. Apparantly 30,000 people are marching on parliament next week. How many could explain precisely what it is about the Bill they object to?
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:23am
  - ChristopherW2
    
    Gosh, I hope none of the 30,000 miss a meeting with their case manager at WINZ…
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:45am
  - AitchW
    
    BY I suspect none of them. They’re simply responding to a dog whistle from Tamahere Inc.
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The hikoi is just activists imo.
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:54am
    - AitchW
      
      SO a handful of dedicated activists and a good dollop of useful idiots.
      And probably a sprinkling of thugs hoping to give some cops the bash.
      
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      November 6, 2024 9:01am
  - Yvette
    
    And, Benedict, no journalist seems to have had the guts yet to ask Christopher Luxon, assuming the bill says something very similar to outlines and predictions, that Government has the right to Govern, and he does not support that being established in Law, does the corollary apply: that Government doesn’t have the right to Govern – and he should stand down?
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:55am
    - Burtland
      
      Chippy was happy to be PM even though he says maori did not cede sovereignty – under what authority did he wield the big stick?
      
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      November 6, 2024 9:15am
  - Ghost
    
    Has any politician gone and agreed to a deal that would only take their bill to the first reading?
    
    The bill doesn’t matter, what matters is what nz first got in their agreement with national
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:58am
  - Cassandra
    
    BY: the 30,000 object to the Bill’s existence. They want to continue the left’s extension of the ToW by Supreme Court fiat. Oh for a Privy Council! Actually most of the 30,000 won’t have a clue about anything but have nothing better to do – a “march” on Parliament, largely by bus, and free tucker along the way is a nice outing.
    
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    November 6, 2024 9:40am
  - Scott
    
    Benedict – because this is a coalition govt National has allowed Act to introduce a Treaty principles bill. They don’t support it but I guess this is the price of doing business in an MMP environment that generally results in a coalition govt.
    
    National’s position and NZ First’s position, that the Treaty has no principles but is simply an agreement between two peoples is not wrong.
    
    If they have their way references to the Treaty of Waitangi will be taken out of all legislation unless directly relevant. Again, that’s not wrong.
    
    Time will tell which approach is better. But what it does show is that National is not behaving in a weak and woke manner. As some commenters on this blog constantly proclaim like a stuck record.
    
    You know who you are! 😎
    
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    November 6, 2024 9:57am
Yvette

He Whakaputanga – Declaration of Independence
… asserted that sovereign power and authority in the land (‘Ko te Kingitanga ko te mana i te w[h]enua’) resided with Te Whakaminenga, the Confederation of United Tribes, and that no foreigners could make laws.
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/declaration-of-independence-taming-the-frontier.

When the Treaty of Waitangi is said to be “written” and “there’s no principles” How, in its authors and signatories great wisdom, is it deemed to have had the foresight to envisage allocation of television bands and modern medical microbiology research in the then future – now our present, 184 years later – while not having the hindsight to address the Treaty superseding te Whakaminenga, the Confederation of United Tribes Declaration just least than five years earlier, especially when that proclamation used the word “Rangatiratanga” and the Treaty used “Kawanatanga”?
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November 6, 2024 8:09am
Mark Hanley

Perhaps it’s a result of watching the corruption of the NZ media, but I can’t help but think Trump will romp into the White house.

You know the democrats are in deep trouble when they have to ask Jacinda Adern for an endorsement.
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November 6, 2024 8:10am
- Colville
  
  Those endorsements in the last few weeks seem to have put Harris in the lead. Yes its shallow trivial bullshit but if its swung half a percent from Trump to Harris its probably won her the election.
  
  Listening to Zeihan this morning… Trump is on the physical/mental slide (which I agree with) …. certainly not the bull he was.
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:41am
  - wsk12345
    
    On Triggernometry today they were discussing their experiences on going on Joe Rogan. General agreement was that it’s gruelling being on your game for 3-4 hours and requires a 2 day rest afterwards. Yet Trump left Texas and went straight to his next rally.
    
    Perhaps he is declining but his starting point is way over that of most mortals
    
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    November 6, 2024 9:07am
    - Mike
      
      Gimme a break. A chat with a comedian who endorses you is not ‘grueling.’
      
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      November 6, 2024 9:36am
      - alloytoo
        
        Perhaps you should tell Harris that.
        
        Trump and Vance found the time in their schedule.
        
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        November 6, 2024 9:55am
      - Mike
        
        Oh please. Should Trump have been interviewed by John Oliver or Stephen Colbert?
        
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        November 6, 2024 10:17am
Cassandra

Radio NZ: leading the way in literacy, today reported that community volunteers needed to distribute food to pupils will have to be subjected to checks with “rigger”. One teacher is reported as saying that pupils who do not get the school food will have their sleep disrupted by having to make themselves lunch. RNZ and the teacher might benefit from a spell at a school. Such as repeating third form.
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November 6, 2024 8:12am
- kowtow
  
  Just another attack piece against Act / the coalition.
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:19am
- cmm
  
  With or without rigger, one shudders to think how difficult it must be to sling together a sandwich.
  
  If you need to get up at 5 am to be able to make your sandwiches you’re probably doing it wrong.
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:20am
- pdm
  
  Is that old sailing ship rigger in any way related to the rigour needed to make a couple of fish paste sandwiches?
  
  Cass you are generous to that teacher – he/she needs to go back to Standard 2 and repeat their Primary School education through to Form 2.
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:34am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I won’t even bother asking what a fish paste sandwich is. 😄
    
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    November 6, 2024 8:42am
    - pdm
      
      Used to have fish paste sandwiches regularly when I was at school through the 50’s and early 60’s.
      
      You can still buy fish past at Supermarkets, it is on our shopping lists a couple of times a year for old times sake.
      
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      November 6, 2024 8:48am
    - cmm
      
      You are lucky to have ignorance of such matters. But then we westerners seldom experienced Asian delights such as that rank fermented fish sauce stuff. I think we got the better end of the bargain.
      
      When I grew up, going to the tea room with granny and being served anchovy toast (a slice of toast smeared with fish paste) was the height of luxury. Granny, of course, would be served scones and cakes.
      
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      November 6, 2024 8:52am
      - Colville
        
        Anchoïade which is anchovy butter is one of the most delightful things you can ever eat.
        
        On toast, with crudités or a big slab of it on a rare steak 🙂
        
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        November 6, 2024 9:12am
      - Swifty
        
        Colville, early Oct we had a meal at Farina on Ponsonby Road and among a range of tasting plates we had in-house flatbread with an anchovy butter.
        
        All the dishes were smash hits but almost everyone raved about the simple bread and (anchovy) butter.
        
        Just superb. A well-balanced anchovy butter can be sublime.
        
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        November 6, 2024 9:54am
    - Ghost
      
      According to this article it originates from Asia
      
      https://mealsbetter.com/what-is-a-fish-paste-sandwich/
      
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      November 6, 2024 9:09am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes fish paste is huge in Taiwan. You can buy many varieties from special shops. So I know what fish paste is. I was just surprised to learn that it was in New Zealand in the 1960 a and on sandwiches. 😩
        
        https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2021/01/07/2003750087
        
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        November 6, 2024 9:36am
      - Ghost
        
        I had a friend in primary school who used to have Tamarillo sandwiches. He loved it. Another would have Saveloy sandwiches. Marmite and chips sandwiches.
        
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        November 6, 2024 9:42am
      - Cassandra
        
        Ben: it was very popular, in many forms eg shrimp paste and there were meat varieties too. Along with Marmite and lettuce sandies, also v popular. Mondays we’d be able to buy a pie for 4 pence because the bread, bought on Friday, was too stale for sandwiches.
        
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        November 6, 2024 9:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Try salmon paste on buttered white bread, or a club sandwich with salmon paste, lettuce, grated mozzarella, and marmite.
      
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      November 6, 2024 9:12am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Marmite. 😫 🤮
        
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        November 6, 2024 9:37am
    - imalwaysright
      
      yú jiàng
      
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      November 6, 2024 9:17am
    - Local Miller
      
      Yum. Peck’s Anchovette Fish Paste was a regular on my sandwiches back in school, and great on hot toast. That reminds me, I should buy some again.
      https://www.internationalsweets.co.nz/products/pecks-anchovette-fish-paste-125g
      
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      November 6, 2024 10:01am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      My father couldn’t discern any difference on his sandwiches if he smeared them with fish paste or cat food.
      
      My step-mum couldn’t figure out why the cans of cat meat were disappearing so quickly.
      
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      November 6, 2024 10:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That food needs to be positioned correctly before it is lifted into the mouth.
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:01am
Mrs_Right

Will the US election be fair? I’m not holding my breath.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-county-extends-voting-hours-after-software-issue-scanning-ballots
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November 6, 2024 8:13am
- G152
  
  With 2 assassination attempts on one wannabe ??? I think not
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:42am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Indeed Mrs Right there only ever seems to be issues in important swing states and it always appears to end up advantageous to the same party. After trying to shoot Trump twice, now memory holed by the msm, what’s a little tampering with a few ballots to save democracy from the fascist dictatorship you understand.
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:55am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Harris will be the most Popular President of all time if she wins.
  We know this because Trump is going to get even more votes than last time.
  
  All time Popular vote
  1. Joe Biden (81 million) 2020
  2. Trump (74 million) 2020
  3. Obama (69 million) 2012
  4. Hillary (65 million) 2016
  5. Trump (63 million) 2016
  
  So I don’t understand logically how she wins without cheating, because she is barely popular with Democrats
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:12am
  - kowtow
    
    I’m genuinely intrigued about the jump in turnout in 2020 .
    
    Covid ? mail ins? Activism ?
    
    Serious question.
    
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    November 6, 2024 10:23am
- NothingLeft
  
  There are still signs of industrial scale coordinated mail-in ballot fraud in swing states – from the huge number of fraudulent voter registrations found in numerous counties originating from several Democrat funded NGOs.
  
  Republicans are very focused on minimizing shenanigans this elections cycle, and have created a large workforce of lawyers and volunteers to jump on every report of dodginess, it’s probably being somewhat effective.
  
  It has already been producing useful results in for example overcoming efforts to exclude Republican poll watchers attending some ballot handling locales in Blue counties in Georgia today. And calling out many other cases of voting machines sabotaging Republican voting.
  
  And cheaters are very aware that there is going to be a lot more in depth investigation of fraud after this election, both from 2020 and this cycle, perhaps with weight of a non-Democrat controlled FBI, so maybe will be less willing to risk being discovered with more brazen frauds.
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:57am
Bridgenag

Why I Hope Trump Will Win

“Every day, people in anonymous office buildings who are entrusted with state authority work to expand their budgets and their staffs and thereby to swell the apparatus of the state. Without even meaning to, they are slowly strangling us. The managerial cancer has subsumed the political establishment itself, as leading politicians and elites of all stripes have closed ranks around the bureaucracy to form a suffocating, all-encompassing system of consensus politics that nobody controls or even understands.”

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/why-i-hope-trump-will-win?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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November 6, 2024 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  In a word fascism . While Trump and his voters represent traditional American values and freedoms .
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bob McCoskrie calls out NZ news for blatantly misleading US election coverage.
Women’s rights: “Tame blatantly twisted Trump’s words, describing them as “Trump’s comments about reproductive rights.” However, neither reproductive rights nor abortion were mentioned in the entirety of Trump’s speech, which Tame was citing.”

https://centrist.co.nz/bob-mccoskrie-calls-out-nz-news-for-blatantly-misleading-us-election-coverage/?
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November 6, 2024 8:15am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  The reason no one watches TVNZ and why it’s worth nothing. And that is the people that run it, and work in it.
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:22am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Steve Otto what intrigues me is why . Why does the media in NZ lie about an election in a foreign country? The only thing I can come up with is that they want us to be unsympathetic when he loses and continue to have faith in the myth of the leader of the free world bs. Unfortunately after witnessing the appalling campaign of smearing, misrepresentation false accusations and election interference since 2016 it’s only the media that I have a poor unsympathetic opinion of. The USA is no longer a republic it’s an oligarchy.
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The media lies because they are rabid lefties and hate the right.
    
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    November 6, 2024 9:26am
  - Burtland
    
    its all about controlling the narrative
    “heres what you need to know”
    
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    November 6, 2024 9:48am
  - BananaLlama
    
    It’s a good point isn’t it.
    My guess would be that it is like the scorpion and the frog and asking why the media lies about an election is like asking why the scorpion stings the frog.
    
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    November 6, 2024 9:55am
- Gussy Fink-Nottle
  
  Do men have ‘reproductive rights’?
  Probably not, and I’m ok with that.
  Just another reason why ‘gender equality’ is a myth.
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:20am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Could they explain what is reproductive about an abortion ?
    Isn’t abortion the opposite of reproduction?
    
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    November 6, 2024 10:13am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

New York Authorities Announce Peanut The Squirrel Died Of COVID.

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-york-authorities-announce-peanut-the-squirrel-died-of-covid?
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November 6, 2024 8:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

New Polls Show That Trump Will Definitely Win Unless Harris Wins.
“And you can take that to the Bank.”

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-polls-show-that-trump-will-definitely-win-unless-harris-wins?
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November 6, 2024 8:20am
Yvette

Treaty
The 145-page report said if the bill were to be enacted, it would be the “worst, most comprehensive breach of the Treaty/te Tiriti in modern times”.
It went as far as to suggest the bill could mean the end of the Treaty itself, if it was not repealed.
“Underlying the significant change across all statutory regimes that affect Māori, the Bill would end the Treaty/te Tiriti partnership and any formal relationship between the Crown and Māori.
“At present, the progressing of the Bill is having serious impacts on the relationship but the Bill if enacted would kill that relationship. This is deliberate,” the report said.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/532935/treaty-principles-bill-to-be-introduced-to-parliament-this-week.

A 145-page report on a bill that anyone, apart from those preparing it, is yet to see?
And this is a Second Report, the first being 202 pages
So 347 pages on legislation yet unseen
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November 6, 2024 8:23am
- Stellaboxer
  
  It’s just the lefts open mind in action Yvette
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:06am
cmm

There are so many things wrong in this article:
* A 23 year old is referred to as young, naive etc. C’mon 23 used to be middle age just a century or so ago.
* Have the criminal element in Hawkes Bay really become so lazy that it is easier to drive 1100km to buy dope from an Auckland supplier than grow it yourself?
* This is 2024. C’mon cops – more serious issues to worry about than a bit of MJ.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cannabis-seller-took-500000-in-nine-weeks-from-hawkes-bay-dealers-travelling-to-auckland/ATAMXOYLIBHY3DQXSM52G6ZQDM/
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November 6, 2024 8:29am
- kowtow
  
  It’s organised and serious crime , not just a little mj.
  
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  November 6, 2024 8:36am
- RightNow
  
  It’s rumored that Vietnamese gangs operate grow houses in Auckland and are massively undercutting the competition.
  They rent a house, set up the whole thing to be a growing operation and put a patsy in to live there.
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:24am
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    It’s far more than a rumour.
    
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    November 6, 2024 9:57am
Rusty

Three News viewers polls last night had 73%-27% in favour of Harris winning the US election.

Tells you a lot about the people watching Three News or TVNZ for that matter and no I don’t watch either all the time.
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November 6, 2024 8:34am
- RoboRob
  
  Anyone watching the legacy media exclusively would hat Trump, love Kamala and expect Kamala to win.
  
  As I mentioned the other day, I dont think I have seen any positive coverage here of Trump or any negative coverage of Kamala. I challanged Mike, Steve Todd or Ian to link to an example to prove me wrong. I dont believe they did.
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:19am
  - Mike
    
    Wut?
    
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    November 6, 2024 10:19am
  - MCōs
    
    Even Trump doesn’t give himself or America positive coverage
    
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    November 6, 2024 10:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What will be interesting is the excuses on how they got it so wrong.
  Unless the Dems cheat badly of course.
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:33am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I think the Dems won’t mind losing this one.
    Their damage to America and the world may be greater than they envisaged and, had they remained in power for say another six months, they may have had a revolution on their hands.
    
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    November 6, 2024 10:20am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.35am, zero bikes.

A calm, coolish, damp morning in the Capital, ideal for cycling.
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November 6, 2024 8:35am
- Stellaboxer
  
  But but they said if we build them they will come! I can’t understand it NMTB
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:09am
- AitchW
  
  Cyclists staying home today for self care, milk, and cookies in anticipation of a Trump victory.
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:15am
youcanthandlethetruth

Interesting speech by David Starkey titled ‘Britain is Governed by Minorities for Minorities’ – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEh2Dv2NsSw&t=9s

David Starkey argues that British governance has increasingly shifted towards prioritising minority interests over those of the majority, which he believes challenges the principles of democracy. He suggests that this focus on minority rights inverts traditional democratic norms, leading to a system where minority groups disproportionately influence national policies. According to Starkey, this shift not only undermines the concept of majority rule but also risks eroding social cohesion and the unity of national identity.
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November 6, 2024 8:41am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Arhh majority rule. Haven’t heard that one since the communists were trying to destabilise Africa
  
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  November 6, 2024 10:06am
ChristopherW2

Like a lot of people, I’m nervous about the US election. It seems pretty obvious that Mr Trump has the support to win, but what if the other side cheat, as they’ve done before?

But the thing is, it’s important that Mrs Harris’ team do cheat. It’s important:
> that they cheat;
> that they are widely seen to be cheating;
> that they are caught cheating; and
> that they they lose anyway.

Only then is there a chance that the broken US electoral system will begin to be repaired; but it’s that last point that makes me nervous.
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November 6, 2024 8:42am
- kglm
  
  The only results declared so far are for Dixville Notch a hamlet in New Hampshire which has a tradition of voting just after midnight on election day and declaring the results. The results are Harris 3 votes, Trump 3 votes. That is consistent with the media narrative of a dead heat. But in 2020 it was Biden 5 votes, Trump 0 votes. So Trump has flipped 2 voters and picked up a new voter. That trend would see a Trump landslide. But it is a small sample size!
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thing is the cheating is so blatant, they don’t care.
  If they are caught nothing happens. Non-citizens not even removed from the rolls.
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:40am
  - MCōs
    
    Move back from the keyboard, Steve, I can smell the hysteria in South Auckland
    
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    November 6, 2024 10:05am
MCōs

Someone who set fire to a mosque in New Lynn on Monday was captured on cctv and subsequently arrested quick smart.
Obviously this 19yo person was known to the police
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November 6, 2024 9:02am
cmm

Did anyone else get a message from IRD saying their data had been shared with Meta (previously Facebook)?

“On 8 February 2024, a file containing some of your details was shared with a Meta (Facebook) support employee without our appropriate levels of data protection applied…”

This was apparently done to try to send custom messages to taxpayers via Facebook.

IMHO it is absolutely unacceptable for IRD to share any information with anyone.

I shall be making a submission to the Privacy Commissioner. Heads need to roll.

A fish rots from the head. A leak like this only happens because there is an unacceptable culture in the IRD.
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November 6, 2024 9:02am
- cmm
  
  The privacy commissioner’s response is here:
  https://privacy.org.nz/publications/statements-media-releases/statement-in-response-to-inland-revenues-updated-hashing-information/
  
  In my opinion that is pathetic.
  
  Anonymized or not, there absolutely zero reason for the IRD to share your information with social media platforms.
  
  Can I opt out and no longer be a member of the IRD’s user base?
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:08am
  - rouppe
    
    How can anonymous data be used to send targeted ads?
    
    If you are targeted, the data must be sufficient to identify you, and therefore is not anonymous.
    
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    November 6, 2024 9:17am
  - MCōs
    
    There is one obvious reason — money
    
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    November 6, 2024 9:36am
  - cmm
    
    My submission to the privacy commissioner:
    
    Hello
    
    I am a software engineer with computer science degrees and over 40 years of experience.
    
    I read with some alarm that there has been an IRD data leak to Facebook and my details were leaked.
    As stated in your article on the matter, this is worrying. We IRD “users” cannot opt out of being “members” of IRD. There is nothing voluntary in this relationship.
    
    Whether the data was or was not anonamised is not really relevant or not. IRD should not be sharing information with any entities such as facebook for any reason whatsoever.
    
    There is a clearly broken culture lead from the top in IRD.
    
    I can no longer trust that the IRD is capable of handling my sensitive data and I need further information to assess the risks.
    On the face of it, I can also no longer trust the Privacy Commissioner to respond effectively either.
    
    So my questions are:
    1) Exactly what details were leaked?
    2) Exactly how far did the leaked file get before the data was terminated?
    3) Exactly what was the leak mechanism?
    4) How has the IRD modified its behaviour in the future.
    5) Why has it taken 9 months to alert affected victims of this gross incompetence?
    6) When did the Privacy Commissioner become aware of the leak?
    7) Why has the Privacy Commissioner taken so long to address the issue?
    
    Further:
    8) A fish rots from the head: who is going to be fired for thinking it was ever a good idea to share information with Facebook?
    9) What steps are being taken at the Privacy Commission to ensure that the response is going to be faster in the future? Again: who is getting fired?
    
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    November 6, 2024 9:47am
- rouppe
  
  I used the online tool to request whether my data had been released and a week or two ago received an email saying it wasn’t.
  
  Not received anything else
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:19am
Inandout

Is TVNZ waiting for the US results before it announces remedies for its $28 million deficit? The $800k man Tame is in the US with his team so will his salary be trimmed?
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November 6, 2024 9:15am
- Bloody Dago
  
  I hope ICE pick him up at the border for passport irregularities.
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:58am
imalwaysright

A Mexican and a man dressed as a woman walk into Parliament…..

https://youtu.be/J3r9-rIa2Kk?si=kO3QBxloa80xGlJ-
(1 min)

No joke
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November 6, 2024 9:19am
- Blog-aholic
  
  No, the jokes are:
  1. The mexican man.
  2. The other man dressed as a woman.
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:48am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    They have the XY Chromosome, but they are not men.
    
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    November 6, 2024 10:13am
- MCōs
  
  Scots and Samoans wear variations of those dresses
  
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  November 6, 2024 9:57am
  - AitchW
    
    Scots wear kilts, not dresses.
    
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    November 6, 2024 10:02am
    - MCōs
      
      Scots wear kilts. Samoans wear ie faitaga.
      Dress isn’t the correct generic word to this clothing and that which that new MP is wearing – it’s skirt.
      
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      November 6, 2024 10:18am
  - Swifty
    
    I wonder what proportion of those supporting this new MP wearing what he likes in Parliament (a hat inside, a skirt etc), would also support me wearing what I like eg shoes in a Maori meeting house, shorts and a string vest in a mosque.
    
    But I digress, the most important aspect of this new MP is what he brings in solving some of the great challenges we face as a nation – like crime, economic development, the cost of housing, our balance of payments crisis, jobs growth, advancing our freedoms and liberties free of state interference.
    
    My initial impression, based on my reading of his background and interests, is bugger all.
    
    Looks to me like just another communist identity politics drone, who will spend his time and energies pissing about with lightweight gay and trans issues to shore up the Greens political base and inventing even more ways to expand the scope, cost and reach of the state.
    
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    November 6, 2024 10:12am
    - Quail
      
      Bring back Tana!
      At least she had some dress sense.
      
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      November 6, 2024 10:34am
  - imalwaysright
    
    He also had the Palestinian scarf draped over his arm, maybe he didn’t have the courage of his convictions to wear it.
    Jerry should have told him to fuck off and hire a suit. Jerry enabled this character to mock Parliament.
    
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    November 6, 2024 10:35am
- Burtland
  
  it cant be too far away that people switch off voting for this clown show
  
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  November 6, 2024 10:05am
- Burtland
  
  200+ scathing comments
  
  WTF Do they just ring the psych ward and say ‘Send another one’ ?
  
  FFS what have the greens dragged up from the bottom of a barrel
  
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  November 6, 2024 10:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“They will keep Trump from taking office if he wins!” Democrats plan EXPOSED | Redacted.
They will “unwin him”?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj92g81r1j4
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November 6, 2024 10:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bill Clinton just gave Donald Trump this last-minute endorsement.
Oh boy, wait until Hillary gets hold of him!

https://patriotpulse.net/bill-clinton-just-gave-donald-trump-this-last-minute-endorsement/?
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