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NeverMindTheBollocks

You’d have got good money at the TAB on 3 zip.

What’s truly remarkable is that there are no all-time greats in the Black Caps. Devon Conway started off like he might be, and sure, Ajax Patel will always have his tenfer. But Conway’s average is reverting to the mean, while away from Mumbai Ajaz is mostly ordinary. Man of the series Will Young made just 244 runs and was only playing due to Kane Williamson’s injury.

It’s true that we got them at a good time. India are in decline. Virat Kohli scored 93 all up, most of them in the one innings. R Ashwin is 38 and played like it, while R Jadeja only hit form in the Third Test. These players all have outstanding track records.

And yet we won 3-0, deservedly, with not a whisper of match fixing either. Outstanding!
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November 4, 2024 8:01am
- pdm
  
  Bollocks I have been keen on Young ever since he made the squad. Along with Latham he is technically the most correct NZ test batsman and that includes Williamson these days. In my view Young should be opening, even when Williamson is back with Conway dropping to 5 and Mitchell or Phillips at 6.
  
  Ajaz Patel shows he gets results when he plays regularly against the best batsmen. It verges on criminal that he does not get mores test match play, notwithstanding his affinity with the Mumbai wicket. The more he bowls the better his results.
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:45am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    NZ are not due to tour the sub continent until (I think) 2027-28. Ajaz is 36. It’s possible he’s played his last Test.
    
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    November 4, 2024 8:57am
    - pdm
      
      He should be picked against England because he has the bowling behind him now and is not coming in from club cricket.
      
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      November 4, 2024 9:16am
      - MCōs
        
        Even on this tour he needed a special wicket to produce results.
        Here’s played three tests previously in NZ for no wickets. 30% of his test wickets have been in two games at Mumbai
        
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        November 4, 2024 10:43am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Not much need for spin here, we have two batsmen that can bowl pretty good spin in Phillips and Ravindra. Also they seem to like Bracewell who was bowling very well before injury which is cleared up now. Bracewell is a superior batsmen which I think is what hampers Ijaz making the squad
        
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        November 4, 2024 11:43am
  - MCōs
    
    India produces different types of wickets for T20s and tests and T20 is the dominant form of the game over there.
    Their guys don’t know how to grind out runs on a turning wicket when they lose the toss.
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:15am
    - Conservatarian
      
      Spot on. India bat too recklessly. We took the 10th wicket in the 60th over in their first innings and then in the 30th over in their second. That’s the equivalent of being bowled out twice in a single day. Mind you, we batted twice for a touch over 110 overs.
      
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      November 4, 2024 9:26am
    - MCōs
      
      Apart from a rapid 26 by Glen Phillips a couple of days ago the next five fastest innings were all by Indians.
      The next one was Tim Southee who is noted for fast scoring if he scores at all
      Consequently two of the games were over in under three days and the other only lasted to the fifth day because more than a day was lost to rain.
      In 1949 NZ played four three day tests in England and they were all drawn
      
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      November 4, 2024 9:56am
      - Conservatarian
        
        Yes, we had a magnificent batting lineup in 1949.
        
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        November 4, 2024 10:23am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    PDM, it was delightful to see you use that quaint term “batsmen”.
    Batter is what I like around my fish dish.
    
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    November 4, 2024 11:59am
    - Mike
      
      Batsperson
      
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      November 4, 2024 1:01pm
      - gorse
        
        Jeez
        
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        November 4, 2024 5:29pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  NMTB, Youngs batting won the last test for NZ. He played outstandingly well on that track. The 50 he got in the second innings was outrageously good batting. Commit and play right back, or right forward, play with soft hands, keep your hands up, don’t reflexively follow the turn. And since DRS, get your front pad out of the way. All easy to say, but desperately difficult to do on a pitch that is ripping and bouncing at speed. When you say “just” 244 runs, on top of winning the last test, he also guided them home in the first. In terms of Conway, he opens for NZ and plays at least half his games here. That doesn’t do any favours for your average.
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:51am
  - pdm
    
    Conway is too loose. Big gap between bat and pad both on attack and defence. I am sure he would be better when the shine is off the ball.
    
    BTW I did not see it but did he drop Pant yesterday? I read on cricinfo that Conway did well to get there but, it was a catch that should have been taken.
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:20am
    - MCōs
      
      That’s a bit harsh
      
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      November 4, 2024 10:06am
    - Colville
      
      Overly harsh.
      Would have been catch of the series if he took it.
      
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      November 4, 2024 10:18am
  - MCōs
    
    Ravindra, Young & Conway were our top scorers overall with not much between then.
    The top individual innings and only century by an Indian was 150 by Safaraz Khan who otherwise scored 21 in his other five innings.
    I read somewhere once how difficult it was for players to get back out there and start from zero after a career pinnacle
    
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    November 4, 2024 10:21am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I think Young will eventually replace Mitchell, I think he is 34, and although he batted well in this test I think his form has tapered off somewhat
    
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    November 4, 2024 11:46am
    - MCōs
      
      Apparently when his dad, John Mitchell, dropped Christian Cullen from the ABs he didn’t talk to him for a week
      
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      November 4, 2024 1:22pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Interesting that the cricket result gets such acceptance, yet the US election result is already being called bogus.
  
  Both competitions have sordid histories, yet only cricket can be manipulated by non performance, and that is the one that is trusted!
  
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  November 4, 2024 10:48am
- tknorriss
  
  India were hoisted by their own petard by putting out spinning pitches for the last two games. That made it a bit of a lottery, and we came out on the right side by winning the tosses.
  
  Simon Doull made the point that India has traditionally done well by producing flat pitches at home, and hightlighting the difference between their spinners and the opposition ones.
  
  But, in the last two games, any spinner was going to do well on those pitches. And winning the tosses gave us the edge in that respect.
  
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  November 4, 2024 10:59am
Chuck Bird

Incredible F1 in Brazil. Liam Lawson stayed ahead of Hamilton.
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November 4, 2024 8:04am
- rouppe
  
  He’d have to be a tiny bit disappointed to go from 5th to 9th…
  
  But, points earned, again. Behind Tsunoda, ahead of Perez
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:12am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    With the heavy rain he would be happy to have finished.
    
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    November 4, 2024 8:46am
- Benedict Yu
  
  One statistic that surprised me. New Zealand had never before won three tests in a series. At home or away.
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:37am
  - Mike
    
    NZ usually plays only 2-test series. When 3- or 4-test series were more common, draws were more frequent. T20 has had the effect of vastly increasing the scoring rates in FC matches, so results are much more common.
    
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    November 4, 2024 11:35am
- tknorriss
  
  I saw the last half of that. Lawson fought tooth and nail to stay ahead of Perez and Hamilton. Because he was having to drive defensively he really didn’t have a chance to gain more places. But I am sure Red Bull will be impressed with his tenacity holding off two experienced F1 drivers like that.
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:51am
Simon

Trump for a comfortable win. Don’t think it will be close. Comfortable enough they can’t cheat like in 2020. Will see.

That the yanks can still have people like Trump prez. They have still got it. For now. While NZ has rubbish like National and piss weak Luxon.
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November 4, 2024 8:12am
- Inandout
  
  Simon, in all honesty and derangement aside, would a level headed person consider Harris a competent enough person to be a President?
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:54am
  - peterwn
    
    In an ‘all things equal’ situation, no. In the current situation where the less said about her opponent, then yes. She has sufficient competency not to make a total hash of things or to accidentally push the big red button. A turkey surrounded by skilled and competent people is better than a turkey surrounded by turkeys.
    
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    November 4, 2024 1:10pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Just remember that Harris (The vice president, is also a statutory member of the United States Cabinet and Chairs the United States National Security Council )
      
      Yep, the decision to withdraw from Afghanistan.
      and you say
      
      She has sufficient competency not to make a total hash of things
      
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      November 4, 2024 7:28pm
- kglm
  
  What happens after the voting is done and Trump is the clear winner? Democrats will try to prevent Trump taking office. The tools at their disposal are violent demonstrations and legal maneuvering.
  
  But what are the alternatives to Trump taking office? Harris as the loser cant legitimately be installed. Biden’s turn comes to an end by law and there is no mechanism to extend it. The US cant be left without a President after Biden leaves office. Congress appoints the President? The Supreme Court appoints an Acting President until the matter is settled?
  
  In these circumstances anything other than Trump being installed makes the US no better than any other corrupt pseudo-democratic republic.
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:09am
  - Mike
    
    The tools at their disposal are violent demonstrations and legal maneuvering.
    
    You mean as the Trumpistas tried, and failed, after the 2020 election?
    
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    November 4, 2024 11:37am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It is going to be close. There may or may not be cheating, but the result alone will not be evidence that cheating happened. If Trump does win, it will be because he is not a Democrat, rather than due to any personal qualities.
  
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  November 4, 2024 10:25am
Bridgenag

A Final Pre-Election Thought
More Critical Thinking Required

Good video

https://open.substack.com/pub/criticallythinking/p/a-final-pre-election-thought?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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November 4, 2024 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “The best is yet to come.”
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:24am
greenfinger

Is Kamala Harris in US the Ardern of NZ? Lord help that country if that is the case! Look at the reconstruction NZ now faces following the damage and destruction in the last six years. The only blessing for the U.S. is that the there is a check and balance with the Republicans likely to control the Senate.
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November 4, 2024 8:16am
- rouppe
  
  Was in the company of a retired senior public servant yesterday. Was talking about retirement, finances etc.
  
  Stated that I thought Jacinda Arden was the worst prime minister of the worst government in our history, including Muldoon.
  
  He was shocked. Many many people still believe jacinda was a good pm
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:40am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Recently retired? S/he would have been on a good wicket. Of course Ms Ardern was a great PM, from her/ his perspective.
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:00am
    - rouppe
      
      Yes. Government super, inflation adjusted, guaranteed based on final salary. Plus national super.
      
      So the recent years of high inflation would have seen his income go up, while the vagaries of the share market has seen mine wobble a fair bit
      
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      November 4, 2024 9:20am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Well of course. Didn’t have to concentrate on performing or measuring “business as usual”. Got to hide at home on full pay for months at a time, got to hand out large payrises to an ever expanding payroll, got to learn some extremely novel legal theories about tribal control of the country, got to learn a few phrases in a fascinating new language, got to learn that men can be pregnant after all these years of knowing otherwise.
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:21am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Being a public servant it doesn’t surprise me that they thought Ardern was great. Wellington i sa complete bubble.
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:40am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Rouppe,
    He was probably shocked to find a Kiwi with the fortitude to verbalise their thoughts.
    
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    November 4, 2024 10:03am
- Conservatarian
  
  Harris policy platform:
  
  – be raised in the middle class
  – like yellow school buses
  – be aware of the significance of the passage of time
  – something something democracy (don’t acknowledge the coup of the sitting president)
  – endlessly blather on about women’s rights but don’t acknowledge your husband Doug Emhoff’s sickening treatment of women
  – have 90% of the corporate press (and additional allies collecting anti-Trump $$$ like the Cheneys and The Bulwark) join you in calling opponent a NAZI and a FASCIST then claim opponent is divisive
  – have wealthy celebrities unconnected to the actual economy available to shill for you
  – capital gains tax on unrealised gains and “common sense immigration policy” of unlimited inwards illegal immigration [only actual policies]
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:11am
  - Mike
    
    Doug Emhoff’s sickening treatment of women
    
    Please compare with Donald Trump.
    
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    November 4, 2024 11:40am
    - Conservatarian
      
      Presidential terms: Trump 1 (to date), Harris 0 (number is fixed).
      Party presidential primary wins: Trump 3, Harris 0.
      Hours spent on Joe Rogan’s podcast: Trump 3, Vance 3, Fetterman 2, Sanders 2, Harris 0.
      Illegal immigrants waved into US since 20 Jan 2021: Harris >10 million, Trump 0.
      Careers launched by Willie Brown: Harris 1, Trump 0.
      
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      November 4, 2024 4:26pm
      - Mike
        
        You forgot to include bankruptcies and frauds in your feeble comparison.
        
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        November 4, 2024 6:29pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Mike, you need to update yourself on US culture,
        
        Bankruptcies are seen as part of a path to success in business and not a reason to shit on someone.
        
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        November 4, 2024 7:34pm
      - Mike
        
        Yes, running your casinos into bankruptcy is a good thing.
        
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        November 4, 2024 8:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Harris would be Ardern^50.
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:38am
cmm

I was away from KB for the week end and came back this morning to read DPF’s motivation for adding a Ministry for Men.

“We should have a Minister for Men, just as we have a Minister for Women. That is because men and women do need different things from the health and education systems (and men are doing much worse in them).”

In my opinion, this misses the main issue: Groups of people (by gender, race etc) do not have needs. Individuals do.

Men and women do not need different things and have different issues just because they are men or women. Instead, individuals in these groups have individual needs at different rates.

Splitting them up by race, gender etc is completely broken.

For example, let us pick suicide. Men have suicide rates higher than women.

OK, se let’s get this hypothetical Men’s Ministry to tackle this issue. They would consider their job done when male and female suicide rates are the same.

This is not dealing with the suicide problems and dealing with individual suicide needs.

Indeed, the likely outcome would be female suicide rates increasing until they match male suicide rates.

As we see with both Maori Ministries (and Maori focus units) and Women’s Ministires, most of their efforts seem to be combatative – blaming the Evil Pakeha and Evil Men for problems without fixing anything.

Likely all a Ministry of Men would do is the same: just blame women because that’s easier than actually doing anything constructive.

So please, let’s just get rid of all these identity politics agencies. They are divisive. They make problems worse (and kudos to BY for pointing that out).

Statists must stop thinking the state is the solution to everything.

If we must have government agencies then have them focus on fixing problems – not on identity politics.
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November 4, 2024 8:17am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  I couldn’t agree more. But unfortunately the National Party has largely bought into identity politics.
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:27am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, National was once the party of reducing government. Now they’re a statist party too.
    Sure they are not as nutty as Labour, but aren’t really that far off. We’re well down the road to a Labour/National uni-party.
    
    Just based on party policy positions, Labour and National are now the most obvious coalition partners going forwards.
    
    This mirrors what we see in South Africa. The ANC and the DA (once the main party and opposition) are now in the sack.
    
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    November 4, 2024 8:39am
    - Mike
      
      National was once the party of pretending to reduce government.
      FIFY.
      
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      November 4, 2024 1:04pm
      - cmm
        
        Well they have nibbled away at the edges, but they could do a lot more.
        
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        November 4, 2024 2:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Need Ministries for each of the 53 other genders.
  Labour will have a working group look at it.
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:27am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The Greens want a Ministry for Rainbow Communities.
  
  “To reflect our commitment to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, we have adopted the Te Whare Takatāpui framework for our Rainbow Policy to create a vision for takatāpui and Rainbow health, well-being and relationships.”
  
  https://www.greens.org.nz/rainbow#:~:text=and%20sex%20characteristics.-,Vision,determination%20and%20leadership%20are%20upheld.
  
  What this has to do with the Treaty is beyond me.
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:42am
  - cmm
    
    BY: That’s a bit like the “but look at Zimbabwe” argument. If you’re comparing things to Zimbabwe then the wheels have fallen off the bus.
    
    That’s the Greens. No sane person takes them seriously. We expect them to have nutty policy, so that does not matter.
    
    It is one thing comparing National policy with Labour policy, but you know National are really losing their way when you’re comparing their policy with Greens.
    
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    November 4, 2024 8:58am
    - Burtland
      
      womin take the greens seriously and vote them in
      – Swarbrick and Paul are the coming youthquake
      
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      November 4, 2024 9:13am
      - Flossie
        
        This “womin” doesn’t.
        
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        November 4, 2024 9:46am
      - Burtland
        
        so how do you convince the rest of them ?
        
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        November 4, 2024 10:20am
      - David George
        
        Where have you been? It’s now “womxn”.
        
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        November 4, 2024 10:52am
      - Jethrod
        
        “Womyn”
        
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        November 4, 2024 11:21am
    - rouppe
      
      Between 10 and 15% of the population take them seriously enough to vote for them…
      
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      November 4, 2024 9:24am
    - imalwaysright
      
      The quality of the talent in Parliament seems to mirror the talent in the public service.
      I would say 90 percent of both would be surplus to requirements.
      
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      November 4, 2024 10:08am
  - David Garrett
    
    Bene: Quite so…and FWIW, I think “takatpui” is another recent invetion, like Matariki…I have read widely on NZ history, particularly the observations of literate whalers and beachcombers…none of them mention seeing ladyboys doing Women’s work or dressed like women…anyone like that would, I strongly suspect, have got a patu in the head and then ended up in the hangi
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:09am
    - Mike
      
      Perhaps not widely enough. Williams’s 1832 Māori dictionary defined takatāpui as ‘intimate companion of the same sex’.
      
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      November 4, 2024 1:11pm
      - Conservatarian
        
        Williams used the term “sex” instead of “gender”? Please don’t alert fellow leftists, or they will burn Williams’ dictionary.
        
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        November 4, 2024 4:30pm
  - Conservatarian
    
    “We will play the Maori card to extort funding from the taxpayer, and then we will consider who needs to get their beaks wet. First we will divert it to the gays, but ultimately the Maori gays will get paid the most”
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:48am
  - JackRabbit
    
    What this has to do with the Treaty is beyond me.
    
    It makes about as much sense as reading Winnie the Pooh, and believing that the story is really a blueprint for building a hydro-dam.
    
    I’ve met people that could extrapolate those types of interpretations.. Most ended in rehab, Hillmorton, or died an early death trying to fly a broomstick over the edge of a cliff.
    
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    November 4, 2024 10:13am
- G152
  
  We -could- look at the elderly population and the travails of such.
  There should be more competent inhouse care for those who are failing mentally and physically.
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:52am
  - Paulus
    
    When are we going to get some truthful figures regarding our enormously expensive and rapidly increasing Mental Health system, which we are told is increasing in numbers exponentially, and as more money is thrown at it.
    Can we have something which we the taxpayers can understand as to the recipients of this money and why !
    
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    November 4, 2024 1:53pm
- Grunter
  
  “Groups of people (by gender, race etc) do not have needs. Individuals do.”
  That is an undeniable fact that has been true throughout history.
  
  Subjecting individuals against their will to any kind of ‘Group Think’ or ‘Group Action’ is totally wrong and will always result in bad outcomes.
  
  If you run through the list of Govt Ministries, almost all of them are some sort of collective grouping that runs roughshod over individuals in that group. They pretend to exist to help that group, but they don’t. Does MPI help individual farmers? – No, they are a pain in the arse.
  
  We will only thrive as a society when (not if) we get rid of the Government Blob (central and local).
  
  Ministry for Men….? Hell No.
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Kia-ora, welcome to the Ministry for Men, how can I help?”
    “Hello. I’d like to speak to the Woman in charge.”
    
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    November 4, 2024 10:01am
    - Ian
      
      Absolutely classic…
      
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      November 4, 2024 10:13am
    - Bridgenag
      
      🤣
      
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      November 4, 2024 11:04am
- Matt Long
  
  I read an interesting statistic recently, not only are women unlikely to be in active service in much of the world, but civilian casualties are one and a half times higher for men.
  Goodness gracious, I’m such a victim, Govern Mental Men’s Ministry needed immediately, let’s waste another half billion a year.
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:42am
- Handyman
  
  The proliferation of micro ministries under Labour was a mechanism for Labour activists to lobby ministers and bypass the scrutiny of large ministries’ policies. It produced a figleaf for direct electioneering to Labour voters, via the ministries quietly funding Labour activists’ projects.
  
  It also helps with equity optics.
  If the Ministry of Education launched a 100 uni scholarships for high achievers and they all went to women it looks biased, but create a Ministry of Women and naturally all the scholarships go to women. In a micro ministry the definition of high achiever can be tweaked to be more “inclusive”.
  
  If polls showed women voted 70% National and ACT then Labour would abolish the ministry by lunchtime.
  
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  November 4, 2024 10:33am
- Nobby2
  
  cmm. Absolutely spot on.
  
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  November 4, 2024 11:20am
cmm

“The Post’s National Affairs Editor Andrea Vance visits one of the most dangerous crossing points on the Mexican border.”

But how can it be dangerous? All they bring are love and rainbows!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360473514/another-brick-wall-how-mexican-border-became-flashpoint-us-election
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November 4, 2024 8:30am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Why do we need Andrea Vance to get news on the US Mexican border?
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:43am
  - pdm
    
    BY – maybe she has transferred to Tjuana, El Paso or somewhere similar.
    
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    November 4, 2024 8:49am
    - G152
      
      Chance would be a fine thing.
      
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      November 4, 2024 8:53am
  - cmm
    
    Because our journalists have such big heads that they believe they can influence the US elections.
    
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    November 4, 2024 8:59am
  - Matt Long
    
    Vacation grifting as on the spot reporting.
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:44am
  - Paulus
    
    Wish she would stay there !
    
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    November 4, 2024 1:55pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hawaiians are nice people. She would outstay her welcome.
      Mahalo.
      
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      November 4, 2024 4:53pm
Steve Todd

Just in. J. Ann Selzer is with Tim Miller at The Bulwark. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-ysKh_Gyd0 [21:18].

It’s the women, people, as I have been suggesting since last Wednesday evening; shy-Harris voters.

We won’t know if this poll is an outlier or not until Wednesday or Thursday, but it could be the first poll to pick up the fact that women are breaking for Harris in droves. Combined with the fact that Harris appears to be peaking whereas Trump appears to be fading, and a record turnout — If we vote, we win! — and it’s beginning to look good for Harris.
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November 4, 2024 8:34am
- Conservatarian
  
  We?
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:38am
  - Mike
    
    An irritating, but common, habit is for some Kiwiblog commenters to write as though what they say is representative. Representative of whom: right-thinking people? Humans? Although many commenters appear to think they are in an echo chamber (“who on Earth would downtick that”, etc.) and there are probably many sentiments a large majority of commenters hold in common, comments even in this thread reveal that many don’t believe there is any such things as identity groups, let alone any which would merit the use of ‘we’, etc.
    
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    November 4, 2024 1:22pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      Unintelligible dribble.
      
      So I’ll ask again:
      
      We?
      
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      November 4, 2024 4:11pm
      - Mike
        
        I’m sorry you missed English comprehension at school.
        
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        November 4, 2024 6:32pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  All your dowtickers should recognise the clear gender divide that is also replicated in all NZ Roy Morgan polls this year.
  
  Child bearing age women consistently support the Opposition more than the Coalition. Why that is & what, if anything, the Coalition can do now to address their concerns will determine the outcome of NZs 2026 general election.
  
  Or, they could just ignore it & hope it will go away.
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:56am
  - RoboRob
    
    Its a hard one that we see in the US as well. I think the left has become very good are messaging to young woman. I suspect the ‘feelz’ sales pitch works a lot better on them then it does the old and males. Likely because woman are generally more emotional. Age and experience bring the ‘wisdom’ to know that the feelz need some backing in reality, which might be why we don’t see it in older woman.
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:16am
    - cmm
      
      In the USA there is a very clear issue: abortion.
      
      Here it is much harder to see what the issues might be. It might just be welfare.
      
      We now have the situation where over half of the families with children get WFF ( a form of welfare). Add all the other beneficiaries and you can understand why the Labour Party(which should really rebrand to the Welfare Party) get the thumbs up.
      
      Let’s face it though. The way National is going there is no real difference except whether the cake has red or blue icing.
      
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      November 4, 2024 9:44am
      - imalwaysright
        
        That anyone can cheer the convenience of them killing a child is truly sickening.
        
        Every woman has the right to not get pregnant.
        
        I wonder how many would go through with an abortion if they were required to watch it happening and were given the remains of the child.
        
        There are situations where it is necessary, but inconvenience certainly isn’t one of them
        
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        November 4, 2024 11:04am
      - wsk12345
        
        Reminded me to go look up the abortion stats….I wanted to know the number of weeks pregnant the women were at the time of abortion but unfortunately they only give an average (about 60 days).
        
        Latest report is 2023 so data from 2022, here are some highlights:
        * 26% of them are for Maori (either they are more fertile, which is obviously unfair and should be addressed, or they are more slack in using contraception).
        * Of those who had an abortion in 2022, 61.8% had not been using any contraception. i.e. abortion is their method of contraception!
        
        You’ll also be happy to know that they are “embedded Te Tiriti” whatever the hell that means, and that it was only women having abortions, so clearly women pretending to be blokes (like the one in the news over the weekend) are way more responsible in using contraceptives.
        
        you’re welcome.
        
        https://www.health.govt.nz/publications/abortion-services-aotearoa-new-zealand-annual-report-2023
        
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        November 4, 2024 12:05pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I’m always right,
        How many use abortion as a contraceptive?
        
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        November 4, 2024 4:56pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        In the USA there is a very clear issue: abortion.
        
        Say the dems.
        Opinion polls do not support your ascertion.
        In fact abortion comes in at 8th!!
        
        https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/09/09/issues-and-the-2024-election/
        
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        November 4, 2024 7:48pm
  - Burtland
    
    “just another bald guy telling us what we should do”
    – good luck sorting that out
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:48am
  - sirknz
    
    Because we have given women the vote all across the west, and all they seem to want to vote for is the ‘right’ to kill their unborn children.
    
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    November 4, 2024 10:50am
    - kowtow
      
      We’re always admonished about single issue voters being thickos /low information / a problem demographic and yet when it comes to this single issue , they get a free pass or indeed vociferous protection.
      
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      November 4, 2024 12:20pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yes, abortion is legalised murder of the most innocent & vulnerable in our society – an absolute disgrace.
        
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        November 4, 2024 1:27pm
      - Mike
        
        If someone believes that abortion is murder, or routine healthcare, and that is the most important single issue for them, who is to say that it isn’t right to cast a ballot on the basis of that single issue?
        
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        November 4, 2024 1:28pm
Quail

NZ does not need more laws ( and law makers) .we can’t afford those already in existence. Bureaucracy,useless laws and regulations and should be reduced, but turkeys do not vote for Xmas.
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November 4, 2024 8:34am
slightlyrighty

Ok Kiwibloggers. Which is worse. Stating you will protect women “whether they like it or not”, implying Liz Cheney should be shot, or simulating Oral Sex on stage at a rally?
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November 4, 2024 8:35am
- Conservatarian
  
  What’s worst is not bothering to walk back the sitting (but couped) President’s assertion that all supporters of the opponent are “garbage”.
  
  Mind you, that’s just words. Damaging inflation, mindless spending and 10m+ illegal immigrants has much worse actual effects.
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:41am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Trump has referred to his opponents as garbage on multiple occasions, and nothing was said until a comic at his rally said it.
    
    Biden says it once and everyone loses their shit, and Biden is not even on the ballot.
    
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    November 4, 2024 10:38am
    - Conservatarian
      
      “Biden is not even on the ballot.”
      
      Why? Can you expand on this please?
      
      Just guessing, but did a handful of insiders in and around the Democrat party defy the 16m votes cast by Democrat party members in the Democrat primary election.
      
      Did the insiders perform a coup on the sitting president?
      
      Did the Border Czar, who has let 10m+ illegals into the country, become the beneficiary of this coup?
      
      Does this party that staged the coup campaign on a platform that includes stating that their opponent is a threat to democracy?
      
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      November 4, 2024 11:29am
- Steve Todd
  
  Not just shot; put before a nine-rifle firing squad, for goodness’ sake!
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:45am
  - RoboRob
    
    Watch the full damned video. He essentially says that its all well an good for war hawks to send other people of to fight, things are different when you are facing 9 other guns. But feel free to spread misinformation.
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:11am
    - Mike
      
      Donald Trump not only dodged the draft himself but was a vocal supporter of invading Iraq. Classic chickenhawk.
      
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      November 4, 2024 1:32pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Let us know when you have done your tour Mike.
        
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        November 4, 2024 4:58pm
      - Mike
        
        I’m not the one who promised to be the ‘most miliaristic president’ ever while deriding dead soldiers as suckers and losers.
        
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        November 4, 2024 6:36pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      I stand by my comment. It is a reasonable interpretation of what he said.
      
      See Katty Kay from 2:00 to 5:00 here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU7gbytKtc8, and the ensuing discussion with Anthony Scaramucci — Trump breaking the terms of his parole, etc.
      
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      November 4, 2024 3:09pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Rubbish. what he actually said was given she is so keen on starting wars, maybe she should pick up a rifle and go and face people shooting back.
    
    but keep on believing MSM reports from democrat activists.
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:13am
  - imalwaysright
    
    His context was, her being a warhawk, how would she feel being given a rifle in a warzone and having nine other people aiming their rifles at her.
    It was edited to imply a firing squad.
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:34am
  - Matt Long
    
    Is that purposeful disinformation from you Steve, or just showing your credulity on anti Trump hoaxes?
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:50am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Steve, the most despicable people are those who know that what they post are lies but yet continue to repeat those lies. You are one such.
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:50am
  - Burtland
    
    trump has some experience of being put in front of a firing – who created that hatred
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:58am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Trump was making the “chickenhawk” argument. The exact same criticism was made, mostly from the left, of Liz’s dad Dick Cheney 20 years ago. And viciously so. Of course, Liz and Dick have kissed and made up with the left.
    
    It’s almost like Trump notices hypocrisy. Like when Harris recently claimed she once worked at McDonalds in her teens in a typically inauthentic and lazy Harris campaign attempt at appealing to ordinary people. The entire journalisming industry concentrated their journalisming resources on finding this evidence and they found none.
    
    And then leftists “found” a picture of Harris in a McDonalds uniform, but they had doctored it. The actual woman in the photo was a Canadian woman who had died of cancer in her 40s. A textbook campaign blunder and backfire.
    
    And then we got Trump’s legendary McDonalds fry cook shift. Pure meme magic. Hard to know whether it was better than the garbage truck storyline. Either way, pure authentic love and support for the working class abandoned by the Dems.
    
    The entire Harris campaign is cripplingly inauthentic.
    
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    November 4, 2024 10:04am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Dude. I worked at Macca’s in 1983, and I could not remember one person from that time. Do you really expect that someone who worked with a woman called Kamala at Macca’s in the 80’s would think that they should remember this person, because she might be famous one day?
      
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      November 4, 2024 10:40am
      - Local Miller
        
        No, but there are pay slips and tax returns. There’s nothing in Kamala’s name linked to Macca’s.
        
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        November 4, 2024 12:08pm
      - Mike
        
        Lamer than swiftboating even. Couldn’t they even back a decent attempt at running a birther argument (“she don’t look American to me”)?
        
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        November 4, 2024 1:35pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Nicest firing squad ever. He’s even willing to give her a gun.
    Kind of like if she wasn’t actually in front of a firing squad but instead fighting in a war like all those sons and daughters she wants to fight.
    
    “His daughter (Liz Cheney) is a very dumb individual. Very dumb. She’s a radical war-hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it when the guns are trained on her face. You know they’re all war-hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, when they’re saying ‘let’s send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy.’ … she always wanted to go to war with people.”
    
    That’s truly embarrassing.
    
    Also, here’s a quote for you:
    
    “Donald Trump did not call for the execution of Liz Cheney. That is a bald-faced lie. He was making a point about how she is a chickenhawk.”
    
    From your mate Cenk. He does of course go on about how Trump shouldn’t have said the gun in her face thing due to threats of violence against politicians (Trump). But yeah, even your mate Cenk thinks you’re a liar.
    
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    November 4, 2024 10:55am
- CRM114
  
  MAGA would gaslight you into believing none of those things actually happened. Who are you going to believe, them or your lying eyes/ears.
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:22am
  - Burtland
    
    maybe a bleeding ear
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:59am
- rouppe
  
  Those first two are basically fabrications.
  
  The first was in the context of illegal immigration. Preventing that reduces the amount of potential attacks on women, and doing that protects both democrat and republican women, whether they like it or not.
  
  The second one was (iirc) in the context of military service, and for all Cheney’s big words, she wouldn’t like it if she was handed a rifle and had to confront a bunch of the enemy pointing their rifles at her head intent on killing her.
  
  I’ve no idea what the last one refers to.
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:32am
  - Matt Long
    
    The third is a vulgar video of Trump simulating masturbation and oral sex in front of a crowd, I haven’t seen context or if it’s a deep fake.
    Based on what I’ve seen of Trump , it’s probably true and he’s probably referring to Kamala’s start in politics. It’s not a bright move if so.
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:56am
    - Ghost
      
      No. Maybe watch the video then you’d have an idea what it is about. Which is the height of the microphone.
      
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      November 4, 2024 10:07am
      - Matt Long
        
        I’ve watched a video a few seconds, I cannot find one that has the context, would you care to link to one?
        
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        November 4, 2024 10:31am
      - Ghost
        
        There’s plenty, even on news websites where he is talking about the issues with the mic and the height of the stand.
        
        His discussion of the mic issue continued for a while, including his miming of the mic stand being too low. At one point he appeared to get tired of holding it.
        
        article
        
        The four-minute interlude came to a close with Trump reenacting his previous struggle to adjust to a microphone apparently placed too low for him, moving his hand up and down and bobbing his head as if trying to find the right distance. The audience laughed, and some of Trump’s critics shared the moment on social media and likened the gestures to a sex act.
        
        “Way too low!” Trump said with a sour expression. “Way too low.”
        
        article
        
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        November 4, 2024 10:38am
  - CRM114
    
    @rouppe, here you go, really interested in how someone explains this away.
    https://youtube.com/shorts/d9mWoTPhOIE?si=pXlId-eNFBaWvgkw
    
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    November 4, 2024 9:59am
    - Ghost
      
      You do realise he is complaining about the height of the microphone. Got to wonder what some of you do all night if your first thought is blowjob
      
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      November 4, 2024 10:09am
      - CRM114
        
        Of course I know he was complaining about the mic, I watched the whole thing.
        Pretending to fellate the mic was just one of the ways he EXPRESSED his frustration.
        Got to wonder what sort of cloistered life you live that you can’t see what he was getting at, his audience sure did.
        Thanks for playing.
        
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        November 4, 2024 11:02am
      - Ghost
        
        Even the anti Trump media have got it right
        
        His discussion of the mic issue continued for a while, including his miming of the mic stand being too low. At one point he appeared to get tired of holding it.
        
        article
        
        The four-minute interlude came to a close with Trump reenacting his previous struggle to adjust to a microphone apparently placed too low for him, moving his hand up and down and bobbing his head as if trying to find the right distance. The audience laughed, and some of Trump’s critics shared the moment on social media and likened the gestures to a sex act.
        
        “Way too low!” Trump said with a sour expression. “Way too low.”
        
        article
        
        Nope. Just a pile of idiots making it into something it wasnt. Might be time you cut back on your porn addiction
        
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        November 4, 2024 11:29am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        It’s clearly what he is doing, no question of it. First class gaslighting, well done.
        
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        November 4, 2024 1:03pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      Is “microphone height gate” the latest outrage?
      
      So the world’s corporate journalists receive an email from the Anti-Trump Journalists Union advising them to update their factory settings to download this new information into their brains and then they start furious typing out articles and posting videos on the latest Trump scandal. Did Richard Arnold get the update so he can tell Hosking all about it?
      
      This is desperate behaviour.
      
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      November 4, 2024 10:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

Are our Universities being transformed into Whare wānanga?

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/john-raine-and-david-lillis-can-a-te-tiriti-led-university-be-politically-neutral

https://sacred-texts.com/pac/lww/lww1.htm
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November 4, 2024 8:43am
I remember when

If Maori didn’t think they were going to cede sovereignty when they signed the treaty, what did they think would happen to that sovereignty whenever they sold some of their land to the crown?
If they had sovereignty before they signed the treaty, why did they need to sign a treaty?
Knowing that large numbers of British would eventually settle in New Zealand, how much sovereignty did they expect to retain?
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November 4, 2024 8:48am
- rouppe
  
  Nah, mate. It was just a couple of white people and a missionary…
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:34am
- Yvette
  
  Each of your questions, IRW, are quite valid of course, but another question is: Why in 2024 are we trying to understand what people read (or because many did not read, so – much less reliably reported : heard) back in 1840?
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:51am
Benedict Yu

The headline in Stuff is that an Obama appointed former ambassador to New Zealand disagrees with John Key’s views on Donald Trump.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360473666/ex-us-ambassador-slams-sir-john-keys-trump-endorsement-says-harris-will-sweep

That’s it. That’s the story. 🙄
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November 4, 2024 8:50am
- RoboRob
  
  NZ media couldn’t possibly print a story that is positive for Trump or negative for Kamala. Hey Mike, Ian or Steve feel free to find an post a NZ Legacy media story that says anything positive about Trump, bet you cant.
  
  The media here are all over the poll that DPF posted the other day that had K winning. The ignore all the other polls. Unlike NZ there are enough polls that the ‘poll of poll average’ is what should be followed, but that doesn’t fit the NZ narrative.
  
  Stunningly our media seem more biased with election reporting then much of the US media. People relying of the NZ legacy media would be forgiven for thinking Trump is Hitler, Trumps election will be a disaster for NZ, Kamala is the second coming of Jesus and decisively ahead in the polls.
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:07am
  - Miritu
    
    “People relying of the NZ legacy media..”
    Those people are beyond help
    
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    November 4, 2024 6:28pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Ah, but its proof! that orange man is bad!!!
  
  Nothing filtered through our media on US politics can be relied on.
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Immigration, abortion, taxes and democracy: What is Donald Trump proposing in 2024?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/immigration-abortion-taxes-and-democracy-what-is-donald-trump-proposing-in-2024/ar-AA1t4C5n?

Wonder what Kamala Harris’ Policies are. Hard to make any sense of her word soup waffles.
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November 4, 2024 8:51am
Bridgenag

The Space to Create Wealth
Exploring the fascinating future that lies before us

“Throughout history, there have always been two ways to accumulate significant wealth:

1. By producing things of value.
2. By stealing wealth from someone else.

In turn, I believe almost all empires follow a similar cycle—initially an empire creates its own wealth (allowing it to rapidly ascend as a superpower), but gradually, transitions to using its newfound power to steal wealth from others until eventually, the foundation which underlies the empire (e.g., its ability to create wealth) becomes unstable, the empire crumbles and its replaced with a new empire in its ascendancy phase.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/amidwesterndoctor/p/the-space-to-create-wealth?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 4, 2024 8:56am
- Bridgenag
  
  A long post but very good videos and content
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:09am
Benedict Yu

Bridget Phetasy is a comedian and political commentator. I like her because she is funny and I admire her story. She overcame a raging alcohol addiction to be happily married and to have her first child in her early 40s.

A long time supporter of the left, she explains why she voted for Trump. Worth a listen.

https://youtu.be/a_XQ8e0AEkQ?si=I8Y9M2kz_MSjZhpi
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November 4, 2024 8:57am
slightlyrighty

New NY Times/Sienna poll has Harris ahead in Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
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November 4, 2024 9:02am
- kowtow
  
  And ……
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:20am
- Grunter
  
  One last push by the MSM to give Harris a boost. These latest polls are BS (IMO).
  
  I’m still sticking to my prediction – landslide to Trump.
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I’m in that camp.
    Wait for the pathetic excuses from the pollsters on the 6th Nov.
    
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    November 4, 2024 10:26am
    - MCōs
      
      Alternatively your pathetic excuses on the off chance Trump loses and concedes gracefully
      
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      November 4, 2024 5:09pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    the NY Times/Sienna poll has hardly been left leaning in the past, and this polling organisation showed Trump with a handy swing state lead a few weeks ago.
    
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    November 4, 2024 10:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How many dead people did they poll?
  
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  November 4, 2024 10:24am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    In Sept, NYT/Sienna polls polled 682 people in Georgia and had Trump ahead by 4.
    
    They have just polled 1004 people and have Harris up by 1.
    
    Trumps 2 point lead in North Carolina is now a 4 point lead to Harris.
    
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    November 4, 2024 10:49am
  - cmm
    
    It is only correct to poll dead people. They are, after all, likely voters.
    
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    November 4, 2024 11:31am
RoboRob

Read this ‘article’ this morning, https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/pennsylvania-voting-laws-certification-lawsuits-rcna178478

Didn’t realise it was NBC at the time, only just when I searched the link.

They say

Pen has many issue with its voting systems that might cause people think its dodgy.

The officials have changed things but only to make it quicker to confirm the vote and make challenging results harder.

The author seems to think the above should make people feel good about the results coming out of PA!

The way I read it, PA vote has lots of issues, especially with consistency of rules. This inconsistency allows local officials to make decisions that could favour a team they support. State officials have done nothing to deal with this, which seems strange as you would think they would want to improve systems, being a swing state and all. Officials have made it hard for a side to challenge the outcome before it is confirmed. As we know, challenging after confirmation is portrayed as election interference.

To me this is just crazy. If they are not cheating, and we have to assume they aren’t, why on earth would you make everything look and feel so suspicious?
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November 4, 2024 9:02am
kevn

Peanut escalation… must be more to it. Surely.
https://x.com/SarahisCensored/status/1852856387048481127
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November 4, 2024 9:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Peanut Karen
  
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  November 4, 2024 10:50am
Sparrow

Another political murder in the USA. RIP P’Nut.
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November 4, 2024 9:27am
Rusty

There is a pollster called Nostradamus that has predicted Kamala Harris to win. Thinking about Nostradamus are the horoscope people around the world making predictions on a winner or are they keeping their mouths shut just in case?
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November 4, 2024 9:41am
- Inandout
  
  Rusty, Hitler was a man who consulted astrologers regularly.
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:54am
- JackRabbit
  
  Predicting she will get the most people voting for her or get the most votes?
  
  The USA voters do not decide who wins. The deep state does.
  
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  November 4, 2024 10:20am
  - imalwaysright
    
    JR,
    Correct. There is no way that companies will let the opinions of people dictate their business.
    
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    November 4, 2024 11:33am
- imalwaysright
  
  Rusty, I don’t think Nostradamus was a pollster.
  Who did he poll?
  
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  November 4, 2024 11:13am
imalwaysright

Wondering if Mike King recently citing Climate Change as a contributing factor to mental illness was a requirement of the government funding?

As I have posted previously, if he was realistic he would instead be citing the Climate Change fear mongers.
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November 4, 2024 9:54am
- kowtow
  
  Not to mention he insists , at least in the ads, on calling this country the A word .
  
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  November 4, 2024 12:13pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Its looking less a Gumboot Friday and perhaps more a Crocs Friday.
    
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    November 4, 2024 1:47pm
Yvette

Does Willie Jackson’s voice in his mind (like every one seems to have) think in te reo Maori or English?
Just a thought.
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November 4, 2024 10:00am
- imalwaysright
  
  Willie speaks a hybrid language called Koharuption
  Not sure it requires much thought.
  
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  November 4, 2024 10:26am
  - ISeeRed
    
    “Koharuption”? I’m stealing that!
    
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    November 4, 2024 1:02pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Isee.
      Thanks. We all own words. Spread them.
      
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      November 4, 2024 1:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The voice will be JT, so yes, in te reo Maori.
  
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  November 4, 2024 10:54am
  - Colville
    
    He would have equal chances of English/Chinese/Hebrew wouldnt he?
    
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    November 4, 2024 12:07pm
  - wsk12345
    
    and 800 words will be more than enough to cover anything he thinks about.
    
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    November 4, 2024 12:14pm
    - greybeard
      
      801. You forgot “bro”.
      
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      November 4, 2024 2:59pm
      - greybeard
        
        Actually, 802: also “cuz”.
        
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        November 4, 2024 6:19pm
Handyman

I am about to begin my US pre-election news blackout.
The two days before the election everyone is throwing all sort of accusations around knowing they cannot be disproven in time, so I just ignore it all.
Relax. Sober up in time for the results on Wednesday.
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November 4, 2024 11:07am
Bridgenag

Isn’t he only 20% Maori? So….. the thoughts could be all the other parts making the whole
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November 4, 2024 11:12am
cmm

Bored teens steal car, then dump a 13 year old girl.

Sounds terrible, except the 13 year old girl was one of the people that stole the car – then just went her own way once the fun ran out.

“But the ski mask, screwdriver, gloves and a small knife suggested that was not the case.”

Hmmm, I regularly carry a mask, gloves, screwdriver and a big knife. Cops don’t hassle me though.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360474112/bored-teens-steal-cars-dump-13-year-old-girl-during-200km-joyride
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November 4, 2024 11:33am
- Colville
  
  Hmmm, I regularly carry a mask, gloves, screwdriver and a big knife. Cops don’t hassle me though.
  
  Dont forget the duct tape.
  
  Remember:
  Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.
  
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  November 4, 2024 12:09pm
imalwaysright

Brian Tamaki in court today over covid charges.

If Brian Tamaki has a lawyer worth the title, then he should be calling Bloomfield, Baker and Ardern as witnesses.

This could shortcut the never ending Royal Commissions.

Just get the relevant people under oath and force them to say the truth.
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November 4, 2024 11:51am
Keith White

Meanwhile, official Health NZ data released under OIA showing that teens and people in their twenties had a disproportionately elevated risk* of death in the 90 days following a Covid vaccination.

*”188% Rise in Mortality Risk Among New Zealand Teens Following Covid-19 Vaccination”

So – the mandated mRNA vaccine is
– neither safe
– nor effective
– nor able to prevent transmission
and nor in many people, survivable.

Where do their parents and partners go to get justice?

Bueller? Benedict? Anyone?
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November 4, 2024 12:21pm
cmm

School buses are to be taken away from the Clive to Havelock North route.

The distance is 12km. There are already public buses but apparently those leave the wee mites with 2km to walk.

2km walk is bugger all, but no doubt, the public bus could respond to market demands and tack that extra 2km to their route.

12km on the flat. C’mon kids – get out your bikes!

Some are saying this will negatively impact truancy. I say bollocks. They already have massive truancy with the school bus. Will taking it away actually move the needle?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360470588/ministry-cans-school-bus-thats-run-decades-despite-principals-concerns
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November 4, 2024 12:22pm
- Ghost
  
  When I was in primary school it was a, hmmm, 30 minute drive just to catch the bus. Intermediate and high school was 30 minute bike ride or over an hour walking each way
  
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  November 4, 2024 12:53pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    It shows 😀
    
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    November 4, 2024 1:56pm
    - Jethrod
      
      Mmmmm…. no mention of bare feet in winter, or jumping in puddles ?
      
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      November 4, 2024 2:59pm
  - Sideoiler
    
    Luxury
    
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    November 4, 2024 2:41pm
  - MCōs
    
    Did they have roads in your day?
    When my wife was a kid there was none in her area. They either caught a boat or walked if there was no money.
    Walking meant snakes and semi-feral dogs to avoid.
    
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    November 4, 2024 5:01pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Clive to Havelock – flat as a pancake, 90% of the way. The other 10% would count as flat to a Wellingtonian.
  
  On ya bike!
  
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  November 4, 2024 10:27pm
Swifty

More absolute vileness from UK Labour over Kemi Badenoch:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vvKqCiqRD_Q

They just can’t help themselves.

Vile. Vile. Vile.
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November 4, 2024 12:28pm
Ghost

Hopefully the live testing will be positive

Scientists have created a new compound that can self-destruct cancer cells. The compound is made up of two proteins, which researchers “glued” together. They describe the process in a paper published earlier this month in the journal Science.

The new compound was developed after Gerald Crabtree, MD, a professor of development biology, began to muse over the decades-old discovery that cells can trigger their own deaths if they determine that is the best course of action for the body. This process is called apoptosis and is actually critical for several biological processes.

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November 4, 2024 12:49pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Like the rest of the cures for cancer etc, we will never again hear of them because drug companies will make them an offer they can’t refuse and then bury them while the cunts sell drugs to keep the poor bastards hanging on in misery.
  
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  November 4, 2024 2:00pm
  - Albie
    
    I suppose you also believe that those dastardly evil oil companies have paid off, or arranged to “disappear” all of those boffin’s who developed engines that run on water. Spare me!
    
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    November 4, 2024 5:52pm
Ghost

We need a change of laws. The political person appealing his decision, this man. No. Both found guilty that should be the end of it. No name suppression

A man who raped a woman in her sleep at an after party following a work gathering at the Tauranga races is fighting to keep his name secret, while his victim is left “with a life sentence”, “haunted”, “suicidal” and “afraid to close her eyes”.

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November 4, 2024 1:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This came by email. I don’t even know who Jimmy Dore is and I don’t care.
The explanation of the 14th Amendment is what is important. Remember we are dealing with dodgy cheating Democrats here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucf2EWJnORg
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November 4, 2024 1:12pm
- imalwaysright
  
  When I watch Jimmy Dore I think of Steve Otto.
  I think you are on the same page S.
  
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  November 4, 2024 2:04pm
Chuck Bird

Who here thinks Michael Laws is right or a transphobe?

Michael Laws On Trans Men Having Babies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3OAup4zSPk
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November 4, 2024 2:04pm
- Swifty
  
  Before anyone can answer your question you’ll need to define transphobe.
  
  What is a transphobe Chuck?
  
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  November 4, 2024 6:08pm
sirknz

Not to victim blame, but I’ve never been assaulted on a night out, and if it happens to you twice in 2 years, is there maybe something that you’re doing that kicks it off?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360474712/auckland-man-says-popular-gay-bar-not-safe-after-assault

I have received offers from gay men in nightclub toilets and bars in the past, politely declined, so could he be making offers that some don’t like?
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November 4, 2024 4:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Page gone. We are not adult enough to read it.
  
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  November 4, 2024 5:04pm
Flossie

Surely I’m not the only one suffering from US election fatigue?
I’m just going to be so happy when it’s over.
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November 4, 2024 4:18pm
- Ghost
  
  No, you’re not the only one.
  
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  November 4, 2024 4:26pm
  - MCōs
    
    Include me in
    
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    November 4, 2024 4:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  See you all on Nov 6th – when the riots start!
  
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  November 4, 2024 5:06pm
All_on_Red

“Kamala did what Kamala always does. She put her head down and went to work.” – Doug Emhoff
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1853190866200109088?
Ain’t that the truth
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
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November 4, 2024 4:31pm
MCōs

Almost invariably if there’s a major natural disaster the effected people complain the relevant emergency services reacted too slowly.
The other day an area of Spain was pummeled by torrential rain that caused all sorts of destruction and straightaway the grizzling started, which may or may not have been justified.
Yesterday the King & Queen went to one area with PM and other political leaders and all sorts of shit was chucked at them. At least the King didn’t scurry away and good on him for fronting up in the first place.
Spain was a dictatorship until 49 years ago. I wonder if that has a lingering distrust of authority
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November 4, 2024 5:33pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360474916/its-disgusting-dog-poo-soiled-nappies-litter-landlords-property

Poor bugger.

Some people , like his tenants, don’t deserve to be judged and considered by the normal social values, they are simply beyond redemption.
This sort of people will also commit other crimes: shoplifting, assaults, theft, road rage incidents, family violence.

And yes, there is “this sort of people”: they have no social conscience.
We have all seen them or heard of them at some time.

Here is an idea: ALL tenants, whether private or government/council beneficiaries, should be photographed, named and registered on a national database so that incidents such as this can be investigated and circulated.

NO tenant should be forgiven for destroying a landlord’s property.
Nobody should be forgiven for destroying ANYONE’s property.

Why are landlords treated as some sort of second-class, irrelevant people ?
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November 4, 2024 6:16pm
- Mike
  
  Good idea. But perhaps it should be extended to include ALL people who might commit crimes. And set the threshold very low so no potential scumbags escape – anyone ever stopped by the police, or anyone with parking, driving infringements. And people who don’t queue nicely.
  
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  November 4, 2024 6:43pm
  - fernglas
    
    You forgot to include the businesses, law firms, medical practices and government department who are all tenants as well.
    
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    November 4, 2024 7:30pm
  - greybeard
    
    When something like this happens to you Mike, or whoever you may be, you will soon change your cynical mind.
    
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    November 4, 2024 7:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance have posted a new video on Youtube about “Tribal Rule Is Closer Than You Think.”
Part 4. I will do the link tomorrow so it an be seen by those who have a spare moment during the day. Plus us “old people” don’t read this stuff at 12am plus.

[Mod – don’t like moderation complain to DPF, but give it a break with you constant whinge. DPF told you what you can do on HIS blog.]

Besides that we are one more day closer to DJT being shot at. Don’t ever discard that – the Dems are very very desperate.
3 more days for us.
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November 4, 2024 6:51pm
- fernglas
  
  Trump is god. All democrats are crooks. Maori are trying to take over the country. There you go. Everything you’ve said for the last 6 months neatly summarised, so you don’t need to post any more. You’re welcome.
  
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  November 4, 2024 7:32pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350305323/youth-who-nearly-killed-78-year-old-reoffends-gets-home-detention
“Dontae”: need we read more?
Is there a correlation between stupid first names and social misbehaviour?
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November 4, 2024 7:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Seems to have done well whilst in a Youth Justice facility
  
  Manawatū
  Dontae Eden – Most dedicated
  
  https://www.ucol.ac.nz/news/2024/10/28/ucol-celebrates-u-skills-academy-learners-at-prize-giving-ceremonies
  
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  November 4, 2024 9:32pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yes, but dedicated to what?
    
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    November 4, 2024 10:30pm
MCōs

While watching an ODI at the MCG I browsed their annual report
More people went to see Taylor Swift over three nights than all the cricket for the season, but that was less than 10% of for the fifty plus AFL games
The profit for the year was $32mil
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November 4, 2024 7:53pm
Ghost

Not exactly the best song to use as an entrance, but I guess after mark interviewed him it was decided to use the undertaker theme for trump, lol. Maybe next time trump could arrive in the coffin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L75yCFYYTU
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