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Bridgenag

Zombie Traffic Light: The German government teeters once again on the brink of collapse, but in truth it is already dead

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/zombie-traffic-light-the-german-government?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 3, 2024 8:06am
- Simon
  
  Kinda like National. National going through the motions, not really up to it.
  
  Willis asking public sector for ideas, Luxon saying we need to have a conversion about murder, after running on fixing crime, Luxon going on about NZ being an economic powerhouse – but the panty sniffing govt jobsworths exert so much control over business. National refuse to address.
  
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  November 3, 2024 9:00am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Willis asking the public sector for ideas makes her (and the government) sound bereft of their own ideas. Seems like a pretty dumb thing to say.
    
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    November 3, 2024 2:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Deep State target list of over 300.
The worm is turning.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/there-must-be-consequences-trump-ally-reveals-deep-state-target-list-of-over-300-people/ar-AA1to4No?
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November 3, 2024 8:07am
- lastmanstanding
  
  If The Donald wins which I suspect he will IMHO his foreign policy will in part be as follows.
  
  1. He will tell Putin and Zelensky that Putin can keep the terrority he has already won on the condition he withdraws and forgets about his Russian Empire dream. If Putin doesnt accept the US will ramp up the action. Putin wants an end he is bleeding hence the North Korean troops plus his people will be getting restless with the worsening economic conditions. If Zelensky doesnt agree US will withdraw all its support.
  
  2. The ME. The Donald will tell Iran either it stops funding the terrorist groups and ensures they are dismantled or US will destroy Irans nuke and oil facilities. Again IMHO their citizens especially the young want to see the back of the Mullahs.
  
  3. China. The Donald will tell Xi forget designs on Taiwan or as well as military action to defend it the US will impose huge tariffs. However if China gives up on Taiwan the tariffs will be lower. Xi has a problem with the middle class Chinese. The economy is hurting them and unlike 60 years ago the CCP dont have the same control over the citizens.
  
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  November 3, 2024 9:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Zelenski/Putin, Iran, and China will come to their senses. They won’t like it, but that is the way it will be. No military action – the threat is enough. Trump is not a warmonger.
    They know Trump means business.
    
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    November 3, 2024 9:53am
    - Lance
      
      So despots win under Trump…
      Nice
      
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      November 3, 2024 11:00am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        What they win is an attitude adjustment.
        
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        November 3, 2024 12:10pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        It’s called realpolitik, and in a world where international morality is very relative it makes perfect sense.
        
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        November 3, 2024 6:35pm
    - Beach Haven expat
      
      The concern is they all are happy to play the long game. Nod and smile at Trump, wait 4 years and then go back to what they were doing.
      
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      November 3, 2024 9:26pm
  - mandk
    
    I don’t think the US can withdraw support from Ukraine.
    
    If it does, Ukraine would collapse, and Putin would be emboldened to attack one of the Baltic states.
    
    All of the Baltic states are members of NATO, and an attack on them is an attack on the whole of NATO.
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:05am
    - Grunter
      
      Your argument doesn’t hold up to reality. Why would Putin attack any NATO country? Nothing to gain. And he knows he can not win a proper war against NATO and that it risks a nuclear strike. He has been fighting Ukraine for almost 3 years and is showing just how hard conquering any country in modern warfare is. So again, your argument that Putin is planning to invade a NATO country makes no sense – he isn’t going to do it.
      
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      November 3, 2024 3:35pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Does Ukraine keep occupied territory in Kursk according to your mind reading?
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:19am
    - Burtland
      
      who pays for the russian mess ?
      
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      November 3, 2024 10:33am
    - Greenheart
      
      Does Russia keep Crimea?
      
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      November 3, 2024 11:30am
  - Burtland
    
    4. the UN. Something needs to be done there too
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:31am
  - Colville
    
    lastman..
    
    There is no way China can take Taiwan unless the USA agrees to allow it, its not something the USA needs to worry about so why would they give anything up for it?
    
    Its 200kms to Taiwan from a decent sized port. So a full day for troop ships to cross the water. What would one Virgina Class sub do to those boats? and USA has 20 odd of that class of sub…
    
    Think about what happens if the USA sent a few cruise missiles to the Three Gorges Dam…..
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:31am
    - Ghost
      
      The usa won’t attack China. But what will happen is we’re all screwed as our governments sanction China and the vast majority of products, including medicines and medical supplies are blocked
      
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      November 3, 2024 10:42am
      - nathie
        
        And NZ govt needs to refocus and provide incentives to support NZ’s own manufacturing and become less dependent on overseas supply chains wherever practical.
        
        Have “we” already forgotten the lessons of C-19 … and continue to think the “free-market”, “just in time” and reliance on overseas shipping for our trade import and exports will continue to be the answer in these globally unstable and changing times?
        
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        November 3, 2024 11:14am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    China plays a very long game. They may well “give up on taiwan” for 4 years, but it will be a blip.
    
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    November 3, 2024 8:57pm
- Handyman
  
  The US does not have a senior civil service like in the UK and NZ.
  The US President has power to gift 5,000 appointments in his incoming administration. It is not surprising at least 300 will be replaced as part of the transition.
  Last time Trump was elected he did not have a plan for the transition and was left with thousands of what were called “Obama holdovers” who undermined his administration.
  
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  November 3, 2024 11:02am
Bridgenag

Weekly Round-up: The Sky is Falling over Kamalaland

“Science Magazine, the once prestigious science journal that sullied its reputation with its biased COVID crisis reporting, has once again come out with a Henny-Penny “Sky is falling” prognosis of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s “extreme views.””

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/weekly-round-up-the-sky-is-falling?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 3, 2024 8:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I would not characterise Robert F. Kennedy Jr’s views as extreme. Unfortunately such views are common. What is not common is that a person with such views has the prospect of obtaining power. He is the biggest downside of a prospective Trump administration.
  
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  November 3, 2024 8:38am
  - Rodney Hide
    
    Hi Benedict
    
    I never thought much of him myself mainly because he is a Kennedy. However, I am reasonably well read in the corruption of science and government regulation by the pharmaceutical industry because of my interest both in epistemology (I am a critical rationalist or Popperian) and public policy (Austrian School).
    
    However, I read RFK jnr’s book on Fauci and was very impressed. He’s a smart and studied man, way more than my casual interest.
    
    He’s also correct about food supply (for completeness, Weston A Price’s work on nutrition is the best we have).
    
    I don’t know much about the CIA and FBI but they have not covered themselves in glory over the Trump years. It will be a great plus to open the books.
    
    RFK jnr is a big bonus for me, not least because we may get transparency and accountability for the covid years.
    
    Rodney Hide
    
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    November 3, 2024 8:55am
    - imalwaysright
      
      “I never thought much of him myself mainly because he is a Kennedy.”
      
      That’s like saying you don’t think much of a previous prime ministers child because you don’t like the mother.
      
      But I do agree with your subsequent points.
      
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      November 3, 2024 9:21am
      - Sacha
        
        Quite different.
        Kennedy is a mature man who has been involved in politics all his life. He has a considerable life/political experience independent of other members of his family.
        The previous prime ministers child is simply that.
        A child with limited experience and controlled by the parents..
        
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        November 3, 2024 9:49am
      - David Garrett
        
        Imalways: I agree…”because he’s a Kennedy” is not one of the former leader’s best observations
        
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        November 3, 2024 9:50am
      - Matt Long
        
        DG, pattern recognition both keeps us safe and unfortunately causes prejudice. It’s entirely logical to think for example the Cheney family are war mongers who will support the party most likely to make sales for Halliburton.
        If one of the family provides evidence they are not, you then have to challenges your conceptions about the pattern or give in to prejudice.
        
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        November 3, 2024 10:27am
  - julesnzuk
    
    Has he got a strategy to fix the obesity crisis in America? If so I’d be willing to give him a chance.
    
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    November 4, 2024 2:12am
Yvette

Treaty Principles Bill: American Indian tribal leader Chief Kirk Francis on indigenous sovereignty
An American Indian tribe leader has described New Zealand’s approaching public debate around the Treaty Principles Bill as “a scary conversation” and one that “never really worked out very well for indigenous people”.
[Kirk Francis, the chief of the Penobscot Nation in Maine in the United States and president of United South and Eastern Tribes , a group of 33 American Indian tribes] … said the US constitution had a clause that recognised three sovereigns: the United States, individual states and Indian tribes.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/a-scary-conversation-american-indian-tribal-leader-chief-kirk-francis-on-the-treaty-principles-bill-and-indigenous-sovereignty/P34QZX6TYZEAVO7ZENRICGYBNI/

What the article does not touch on is the membership of an Indian Nation, or applying it here: the membership of Iwi Maori –

Kirk Francis grew up in Maine, and like his Penobscot people, has deep ties to the river and land of his local area. “Our connection to land is everything for the tribe. My tribe is a riverine people. … “It’s been determined that this is not a race-based relationship, it’s really a political distinction between the First Peoples and the United States.
… Francis said: “I’m not an expert in this, the treaty situation here, but I think anytime somebody wants to clarify something, it never really works out very well for the indigenous people, right?
“Because typically those are efforts to minimise the impact on people outside. I’m sure a lot of people on both sides will be weighing in on those issues. But (…) it’s a scary conversation.”

Will New Zealand ever solve such a problem as “inclusion”, what constitutes (pun accepted) a separate Iwi Nation, and how members are identified, or identify themselves, when there is no formal basis to any discussion, because media is falling apart and state television, for example, has no programme like COMPASS, GALLERY or any other current affairs flagship to even justify a Government having a public broadcaster?

Is any discussion on the Constitutional place of the Treaty of Waitangi going to wallow in the media void, as did Jacinda Ardern’s national “conversation” on Capital Gains Tax, and its demise under her so-called Government’s stewardship?
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November 3, 2024 8:15am
gravedodger

Another awesome weekend for NZ sporting aura.
Smashed England by a conversion almost on full time at Twickenham and the cricket, well we have India on the ropes needing 150 with O’Rourke to come,//
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November 3, 2024 8:29am
- hookerphil
  
  And the Tongan’s beat the Maoris.
  
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  November 3, 2024 8:54am
  - David Garrett
    
    Hooker: It must be incredibly frustrating for the Tongans: normally a win over NZ – or anyone really – would result in cars driving everywhere with horns blaring and guys hanging out of the cars yelling…but its Sunday, and they can’t do that
    
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    November 3, 2024 9:27am
    - Jack5
      
      First full game of league I’ve watched in a long life, and it was magnificent right up until the end. Great playing and spirit by both teams.
      
      What I’ve been missing: the play in league is so open and continuous. The tackling is heavy but the physical damage can’t be worse than from the pile-ups in rugby union’s rucks.
      
      The two professional soccer clubs have a tough task winning New Zealanders over from the rugby codes.
      
      Woke media and TVNZ have made gains converting us from the noun “soccer,” a use we shared with Americans, to “football”.
      
      However, NZ soccer/football publicists overdid things yesterday by hinting there might be “inter-club” violence as the two teams met.
      
      This contrasted with news clips showing very mild supporters.
      
      Did I really hear a TV reporter say of them: “there have been no reports of violence”?
      
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      November 3, 2024 10:16am
      - Beach Haven expat
        
        You’re joking? Who is going out for a ruck in support of a team that is 3 games old?
        
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        November 3, 2024 9:31pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  NZ 143 ahead, if India can’t take the last week and score those runs easily then they need new players, many of their played really starting to look old, some are out of shape
  
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  November 3, 2024 10:08am
cas

An Australian surf club is being charged for a welcome to country ceremony by a tribe which has native title over the land and over a stretch of the ocean.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14032633/yamba-surf-club-charged-welcome-country.html

I wonder if that’s where we are heading.
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November 3, 2024 8:38am
- Swifty
  
  Mate we’re already way, way down that track…
  
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  November 3, 2024 9:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    https://www.saveourshores.nz/
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:28am
- Flossie
  
  But all the Kiwis emigrating to Australia to get away from that sort of nonsense over here…
  
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  November 3, 2024 10:07am
  - Bridgenag
    
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    November 3, 2024 12:56pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    I think NZers mainly move to Australia for the better money. If you want to get away from the “de-colonisation” crap and this sort of rort you need to move to Europe.
    
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    November 4, 2024 2:15am
NeverMindTheBollocks

UK Conservatives elect fourth female leader, and first black leader of any major party at Westminster.

Meanwhile Labour, party of progressivism, is batting nil and nil.

Do as I say and not as I do, anyone?

http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0qdnewgx19o
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November 3, 2024 8:43am
- Swifty
  
  It’s bloody delicious isn’t it?
  
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  November 3, 2024 9:12am
G152

And a woman pretending to be a man is pregnant. Surprise surprise
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November 3, 2024 8:47am
- Damocles11
  
  And the diabolical New Zealand Herald are promoting such insanity with gushing articles. I hope the subscribers and advertisers are proud of themselves, funding the people who are pushing this far left propaganda on our people, including the young and impressionable.
  
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  November 3, 2024 9:37am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Good news, Damo. The young don’t read the Herald.
    
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    November 3, 2024 9:56am
  - Jack5
    
    The very diverse ownership of the Herald allows the Woke Left to steer it.
    
    Against that argument, the Smith family that controls the Otago Daily Times has let the newspaper slide to the Left and Woke-ism.
    
    NZ’s ACC is the biggest individual shareholder in NZME, the Herald owner, with under 5 per cent.
    
    The main NZME shareholders are investment-type companies holding on behalf of many small shareholders.
    
    Michael Boggs, the chief executive, owns just 1.35 per cent of the company’s shares, worth $2.695 million at the current share price. Boggs, formerly the company’s chief financial officer, ranks 12th behind investment companies and ACC in shareholders listed in the NZME annual report.
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:51am
- Matt Long
  
  Babies born to a woman who has too high testosterone levels have effects including stunted growth and anxiety.
  Do doctors advise Trans men to stop their supplements while pregnant?
  
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  November 3, 2024 10:31am
  - Damocles11
    
    Would they dare to in the current climate where the Left and MSM seek to cancel and destroy anyone they see as not fully aligned to their destructive agenda?
    
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    November 3, 2024 11:09am
- mogg
  
  “It’s a miracle”
  
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  November 3, 2024 1:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

10 things to do before Trump becomes Hitler.
Wear a Covid mask alone in your car while you still can..

https://babylonbee.com/news/things-you-should-do-one-last-time-before-trump-institutes-a-totalitarian-state?
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November 3, 2024 8:48am
- Local Miller
  
  This would be funny if it weren’t for the fact I spent part of yesterday listening to 3 people I know who actually believe that Trump is the spawn of the devil and going to plunge the USA into a totalitarian state, with no future elections if he gets in. Yes, they literally believe he is a second Hitler.
  My only comment is: “You have been watching too much main stream media”
  
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  November 3, 2024 10:40am
  - RichardX
    
    I am equally amazed at what people believe.
    
    I spent part of yesterday reading posts from people who thought the universe was less than 10,000 years old and there was science to support that view.
    
    Just for clarity I don’t spend time debating YEC as I treat them the same as flat earthers. There is no science I can show them that will alter their religious viewpoint.
    
    At least there are flat earthers who are not explicitly christian but I have to see a YEC who was not already christian.
    That may point to their religion being a major factor in why they believe what they believe?
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Which side will be denying Election votes?
It’s as American as baseball, apple pie, and hating Canada.

https://babylonbee.com/news/nation-anxiously-waits-to-see-which-side-will-be-denying-election-results?
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November 3, 2024 9:01am
RightNow

The execution of Peanut the squirrel has just won the election for Donald Trump.
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November 3, 2024 9:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I never even knew who Peanut was until Uncle Google told me.
  
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  November 3, 2024 4:44pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  But the story of Peanut matters because it is a microcosm of what we are facing. A nameless, faceless, and merciless bureaucracy with no sense of proportion or empathy can, at a whim, upend people’s lives over what amounts to nothing. It can seize a beloved family pet, the mascot of an organization that does enormous good, just because some nanny-stater decides they don’t approve.
  
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  November 3, 2024 5:34pm
Ra Henare

Browsing Kiwiblog, as I do daily. Especially General Debate. Having done so for the last 12+ years.
On a number of occasions, I am educated and enlightened by reasoned and educated responses.

However….
I wondered what “”a man from Mars”” might think about New Zealanders if this is a sample of NZ thinking.

Will it be rational, considered debate on the subjects of the day?

Maybe not.

From the 37 odd regular commenters posts, it would seem

1. That New Zealanders don’t like Māoris’ or Pacific Islanders’ Think they are lazy or bludgers.
2. That the continued massacre of Palestinians by Israel is justified.
3. That Only the Russians’ commit war crimes and Ukrainians don’t
4. Think that Main Stream media is corrupt or Biased EXCEPT, when they want to quote a journalist’s article that supports their point of View.

For the subjects of the day.
I am fortunate enough to have the time and inclination to drill down, behind claims, and try not to be emotionally involved and knee-jerk an opinion.

Hence, my points, which tend to generate the crap that gets thrown at me by those emotionally engaged in the topic.

I expect flack for having the temerity of expressing an opinion, such as Candice Owens, Jordan Peterson, or any other opinionists.
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November 3, 2024 9:03am
- wsk12345
  
  I don’t come away with those takeaways. Without going through posts in detail I would say
  1. Most don’t want division by race
  2. A chunk of the demographic on here spends a lot of time watching sport
  3. Most of us don’t think it’s ok for blocked to pretend to be women or use women’s facilities
  4. Most commenters think labour is generally full of vacuous spiteful airheads; there’s a split on how weak and woke the Nats are.
  
  (I don’t bother with reading posts on sport or wars anymore, yes the latter is very polarised).
  
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  November 3, 2024 9:28am
- Damocles11
  
  You are another from the deliberately disingenuous left wing horde of race-baiters and gaslighters who equate a desire for equality and for all citizens to have equal rights and duties with ‘we hate Maori’. Again, it is nothing more than gaslighting. The Labour party is dependent on Maori for political support, hence the Labour party’s utter capitulation to co-governance and now emerging separatism.
  What posters desire is for Maori to turn away from stoking division, and for their leadership to turn away from inflammatory and divisive rhetoric which will tear this country apart, and instead start preaching a hopeful message about unity of all peoples in this land, and a message of the importance of Maori being personally responsible and law-abiding. The crime figures are absolutely damning and most citizens are sick of the way violence and gang culture seems to be tolerated rather than condemned.
  
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  November 3, 2024 9:46am
  - Swifty
    
    Very well put.
    
    We’re not anti-Maori, we’re anti Maori-arseholery.
    
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    November 3, 2024 11:17am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “That New Zealanders don’t like Māoris’ or Pacific Islanders’ Think they are lazy or bludgers”
  
  I disagree, Ra. I think KBloggers dislike the institutional bias in favour of these two demographics from the State and the media. I see KBloggers celebrating the accomplishments of members of those demographics, especially when such demographic is not cited as the reason for those successes. Shane Reti and various All Blacks spring to mind. 
  
  Where I would agree with you is that lazy commenting produces broad brush strokes – consider the relationship between gangs and Maori, or social housing etc. There’s a difference between a statistically significant percentage of Maori and all Maori. Partly that’s due to the nature of blogging, especially from tapping away into a phone. But, it is incumbent on KBloggers to be more precise when posting – proofreading is our friend! 
  
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  November 3, 2024 9:49am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Lisa Carrington sticks out like a full moon at midnight, she is an example of what Māori and PI can achieve with applying one’s self, determination, an arrogant desire for success. What more do Māori need to know about was is possible if one applies their self.
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:20am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  Specifically, kiwibloggers hate Maori radicals, also described as “troughers” Sadly the silent majority of maoris, who just want to get on with being Kiwis, are not getting even a sliver of the pies of the troughers’ who pretend to represent them.
  Personally I resent the listing of Tribes in troughers’ names which deny a significant proportion of their true ancestry.
  
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  November 3, 2024 10:07am
  - Damocles11
    
    I work with Maori people who are very hard working, decent New Zealanders. They choose to be judged by the quality of their work and the quality of their character, and they are judged accordingly. If judging another human being according to their individual qualities rather than their ethnicity makes me a racist, then that is indicative of the upside down world the left have created. Unfortunately the media only promote the awful angry race-baiters and troughers, like Waititi, Tamihere, Packer, Tuku Morgan, Kiri Allan and other such worthless charlatans. There are so many thoroughly decent and responsible Maori in this country who we never see on our TV screens, all we are allowed to see is what the activists in the MSM permit us to.
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:30am
    - artemisia
      
      Agree, Damocles11, and like to think I am one of those hardworking decent ones, albeit after a very shaky start. Mind you both my siblings and their families are Australian citizens now, as are nearly half of my first cousins.
      
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      November 3, 2024 11:02am
      - Damocles11
        
        My father has often pointed out how well Maori people do in Australia, how successful and well off they are. And why? Because they are free of the grievance mentality in Australia, where they are just people like everyone else. The grievance mentality is a terrible burden, and unfortunately the purported ‘leaders of Maoridom’ here in New Zealand are embracing it every more tightly, the ridiculous unhinged cries of ‘genocide’ are becoming louder and more strident. Very sad really.
        
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        November 3, 2024 11:16am
  - David Garrett
    
    the silent majority of maoris, who just want to get on with being Kiwis, are not getting even a sliver of the pies of the troughers’
    
    One of Richard Prebble’s best observations was this one: “The average Maori never saw so much as a snapper from the Sealord deal”
    
    But to be fair, a good deal of that is because “the average Maori” allow themselves to be dominated and mistreated by the elites.
    
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    November 3, 2024 11:09am
    - julesnzuk
      
      Yes, likewise the average European New Zealander only has themselves to blame for their reticence, lack of inclination to speak out snd engage particularly on socio-cultural issues and general complacency. Maori, even the so called intelligentsia/elite, have not led the far left capture of universities, the judiciary and the MSM.
      
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      November 4, 2024 2:20am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The left hate Owen’s and call her a radical, she is simply a no nonsense journalist and the left hate her because she is black and speaks sense and is a conservative. Don’t come back saying bullshit like the left she thinks the earth is flat or something so ridiculous.
  
  Why do the left only want the right silenced?
  
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  November 3, 2024 10:14am
- Taieri
  
  1. That New Zealanders don’t like Māoris’ or Pacific Islanders’ Think they are lazy or bludgers.
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  Some are, the majority are not. Just like any other population.
  
  2. That the continued massacre of Palestinians by Israel is justified
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  Israel had to react to the events of 7th October 2024. Is this reaction proportional? From the Israeli point of view it is.
  
  3. That Only the Russians’ commit war crimes and Ukrainians don’t
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  Both sides commit war crimes like in any other war. But because Russia is the aggressor, Ukrainian war crimes are far more obscured in the general perception.
  
  4. Think that Main Stream media is corrupt or Biased EXCEPT, when they want to quote a journalist’s article that supports their point of View
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  It’s called confirmation bias. We are all guilty to a greater or lesser degree.
  
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  November 3, 2024 11:07am
- imalwaysright
  
  Ra,
  
  Is the “man from Mars” a device to transfer ownership of your statements, allowing you to place yourself as the narrator?
  You even declare your relative lack of emotional involvement. Presumably that casts you as the rational one, leaving the other 36 odd to perhaps appear irrational and emotional?
  
  Bit of an own goal, old chap.
  
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  November 3, 2024 11:47am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Hardly an own goal, young chap.
    It stimulated what I would call “”debate””.
    
    In case you missed it….
    The object of the exercise!!
    
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    November 3, 2024 4:37pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Well, well done that man!!
      Nice save !?!
      
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      November 3, 2024 6:06pm
- Matt Long
  
  Those Zionists have massacred another 3 innocent civilians just to prove your point.
  https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/1852769484009804133
  
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  November 3, 2024 2:39pm
Prince

How many Kiwi journalists are in the US telling us what a terrible person Trump is ?
And why ?
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November 3, 2024 9:23am
- Damocles11
  
  Because media view themselves as ‘stars’ and several levels above the plebs. Their heads are filled with entitlement and advocacy / activist delusions of grandeur. And unfortunately we still have plenty of people on the right who are willing to fund them through subscriptions and advertising.
  
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  November 3, 2024 9:49am
  - PeeJay
    
    Agreed. Many years back, I remember a WTF moment when watching an advert for TV3 news. The two presenters, think it was McRoberts and Hayes, said something along the lines that their job was not to report the news and facts but to go beyond that and tell you what they thought. It was presented in that rather sanctimonious, smug and condescending manner that these things tend to be shot in – wise sage, passing down wisdom etc, but for me it showed everything that was wrong with the media and news. It is not their job to tell me what to think – it is not their job to tell me their version of events. They should report the facts. If they want to venture into opinions, and they are absolutely free to do so, they should be doing this in the opinion sections of newspapers, clearly labelling this as an opinion. Report the facts – I will form my own views and opinions from then on. We see this constantly now with the media – is it any wonder there is so little trust in them as an institution?
    
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    November 3, 2024 11:43am
  - OlderChas
    
    Well they ARE stars! MMM_S (Media Manufactured Mega-Stars) //
    
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    November 4, 2024 7:49am
- imalwaysright
  
  I think Tame wants to be the next Brian Stelter.
  
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  November 3, 2024 9:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He better start eating then
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:21am
  - pdm
    
    No Tame is aiming for number 4 on the Labour list in 2026.
    
    Just ahead of Tova at 5.
    
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    November 3, 2024 11:02am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Tame would sit with the nut bar greenies
      
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      November 3, 2024 12:27pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think I saw somewhere that Jack [Mod – ise proper names] trip has been sponsored by the US Embassy.
  
  In my view, it’s not that NZ media are reporting from the US. The Presidental election is relevant to us and having on-the-spot reporting offers some value.
  
  The real question is why the reporting skews as anti Trump, but that’s a bigger question than the election coverage.
  
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  November 3, 2024 10:00am
  - Jack5
    
    Jack Tame seems to be hosting his New Zealand radio programme while he’s in America.
    
    Is competition so hot for these media big names that they can’t take a day or two off?
    
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    November 3, 2024 11:07am
  - marcw
    
    After hearing the NZ American Ambassador “interview” on Hosking a few weeks ago, it’s no surprise they (the embassy) have sponsored Tame, with his predictable and unbalanced reporting bias. This so called interview should be recorded as one of Hosking’s biggest fails. I bet even he is embarrassed when he remembers it.
    
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    November 3, 2024 11:58am
- Chuck Bird
  
  [Mod – use proper names]
  
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  November 3, 2024 10:28am
Ghost

Stuffs banner today is interesting

Harris’s hand moving as though she is trying to make a point
Trump looks like he is doing a little Sieg Heil
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November 3, 2024 9:25am
- Colville
  
  Stuffs USA election coverage consists of four anti Trump articles and ZERO on Kamala.
  
  Says a lot that they have nothing good that they can say about their chosen one.
  
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  November 3, 2024 9:37am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And no mention of the commander in chief eating babies
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:22am
    - Ghost
      
      More is being made of it than it is. Joe bidden pretended to eat a child dressed as a chicken.
      
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      November 3, 2024 10:30am
      - kevn
        
        Ghost… The halloween panda suited person that biden peddled out was very odd as well.
        
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        November 3, 2024 12:03pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He put the kids foot in his mouth for some time, then pretended to eat the babies leg, utterly disgraceful, just imagine if Trump did this
        
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        November 3, 2024 12:29pm
      - Ghost
        
        You obviously haven’t seen grandparents nomnom a child. Sorry but this is a nothing being blown up into something. It’s a nothing. Do you want to also make an issue of trump kissing a baby?
        
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        November 3, 2024 12:33pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He wears a muzzle according to the babylon bee.
      
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      November 3, 2024 10:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Maye Musk leaves the Democrat Party.
“But then, they’d also say Elon is terrible, and I was thinking, why are they lying about Elon?” Maye said.
Short video. 0.54 min. Lovely accent.

https://crystalclearnews.com/maye-musk-finds-freedom-leaving-democrats-backs-elons-bold-2-trillion-plan/
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November 3, 2024 9:39am
MCōs

I would say if William O’Rourke can survive three balls at the end of the Blackcaps innings India will knock off the 145 odd runs easily.
Whatever happens our plucky chaps will be waving round the trophy
In the meantime the ABs beat England yet again
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November 3, 2024 9:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The ruby was utterly shocking, we will need to stop dropping the ball, stop tackling off the ball when we have the ball, stop handing the ball to the opposition every time they have the ball, and stop the ill discipline that we use to be so proud of
  
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  November 3, 2024 10:25am
  - Colville
    
    The English rush defence worked.
    
    What didnt work was the English teams idea of how to play. They need to remember that part of the game that involves carrying the ball forward over the try line.
    
    Their forwards are very able…why didnt they take lineouts at the 5M mark from a couple of the penalties?? Pathetic. They deserved to lose. Its not a game for cowards.
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:36am
  - Don Beckett
    
    What do you mean by: “stop the ill discipline that we use to be so proud of “.
    Are you saying when the AB’s displayed ill discipline , that we were proud of it ????
    
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    November 3, 2024 10:45am
- greybeard
  
  And young Liam Lawson came 9th in the Sprint race, ahead of many more experienced and favoured drivers.
  I am looking forward to the actual GP tomorrow morning.
  
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  November 3, 2024 11:21am
vand

“That the continued massacre of Palestinians by Israel is justified.”
Ra – you are improving but more is needed- you did not say genocide .
Yet you need to know the numbers are unreliable – the thousands of dead terrorists and those dying of old age /illness are no doubt included.
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November 3, 2024 10:15am
- G152
  
  Yup. The numbers are provided by hamas..
  You know….
  hamas the terrorists are ‘counting’ the dead and reassigning the sex and age to make it appear different…
  
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  November 3, 2024 10:49am
Damocles11

If Iran didn’t need proxies to carry out its unhinged ongoing war against Israel then we probably would not have a conflict in Gaza and Lebanon, and the people of the Southern Levant region would be living in peace and prosperity. I would have like to have visited this region if it were peaceful, and if not for Iran maybe I would have. Maybe Gaza would have been popular with tourists, maybe smiling faces and laughing children would have been the norm, rather than the tears and wailing of the bereaved as they view smashed bodies of loved ones, smashed dwellings where once they lived. How evil of Iran, a country 1,724.48 km from Israel, to use the hapless people of Gaza and Lebanon as hapless dupes and cannon fodder. Endlessly poking the bear with senseless rocket attacks, and then via the atrocities of October 7, simply to provoke a war and the deaths of countless innocent civilians. Aside from Iran, the UN and global leftist also have blood on their hands. Instead of admitting that Iran continues to foment these conflicts out of some sick homicidal hate for Israel, they instead ignore Iran’s role completely and spend all their time howling ‘look what Israel is doing!’ This is disingenuous in the extreme.
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November 3, 2024 10:43am
- mogg
  
  After their recent attack Gallant said ‘let this be a warning to Iran we can hit you anywhere and anytime we want to’
  
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  November 3, 2024 1:43pm
Steve Todd

Are the polls biased against Kamala Harris? It could be that they are, “because polling models are bad at measuring a critical part of the 2024 electorate: so-called ‘shy Harris voters’ — specifically Republican voters who supported Nikki Haley but have now switched their support to Harris.”

In this piece at Politico, https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/11/01/shy-kamala-harris-voters-polling-00186653, election analyst Justin Brown writes, “‘Given that pollsters are explicitly seeking out underrepresented Trump voters, their outreach may be sidelining Haley voters in favor of reaching lower-propensity Trump supporters.’ And given how focused the Harris campaign has been on courting these voters in key swing states, that could have major implications on Election Day.”

We will see.
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November 3, 2024 11:13am
- mandk
  
  I think people are more likely to be shy right wing voters than left wing voters.
  
  The reason? It’s the vituperation you face, if you are a shy righty, but not if you are a shy lefty.
  
  Lefties hate it when one of their own steps out of line.
  
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  November 3, 2024 11:23am
  - Steve Todd
    
    I think people are more likely to be shy right wing voters than left wing voters.
    
    That’s not the point.
    
    We’re talking about “shy-Harris” voters, primarily women such as those depicted in this ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCPck2qDhk from the progressive evangelical group Vote Common Good — women living in Trump households; women who supported Nikki Haley in the primaries; pro-choice women; women who, for whatever reason, simply cannot bring themselves to vote for Trump.
    
    Narrator (Julia Roberts): You can vote any way you want. And no one will ever know. “Did you make the right choice?” “Sure did, Honey.” Remember, what happens in the booth stays in the booth.
    
    “The one place in America where women still have the right to choose,” it says as the voter marks Harris on her ballot, a knowing smile flashing on her face. “What happens in the booth stays in the booth,” the narrator adds.
    
    The women being targeted here are not “shy left wing” voters, they are women who would ordinarily vote Republican, but who, on this occasion, cannot bring themselves to vote for Trump.
    
    It is women such as these that Justin Brown is suggesting the pollsters may be missing.
    
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    November 3, 2024 12:28pm
    - mandk
      
      It could equally happen in the case of a Trump supporter living in a predominantly woke/lefty environment.
      
      Like most college campuses.
      
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      November 3, 2024 3:39pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        [Mod – debate without making it personal]
        
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        November 3, 2024 4:57pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Except that no-one is suggesting that the polls are missing such voters, and Trump certainly isn’t targeting them.
        
        What we are discussing here is the possibility that the polls might be missing the “shy-Harris” voter. This possibility, that the pollsters could be underestimating Harris, is made at Split Ticket, following the latest Selzer Iowa poll.
        
        See my extract, here: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/nate_silvers_24_reasons_trump_could_win.html/comment-page-1#comment-3638992.
        
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        November 3, 2024 5:42pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        So, Mod – I take it that Steve is not favouring Harris & has not said so. That’s all I can take from your cancelling of my comment, because I stated what I thought Steve had said, & it was not insulting or derogatory.
        Cheers.
        
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        November 3, 2024 7:48pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Here’s Ann Althouse’s comment on that advertisement:
      
      I laughed a lot: You can really see how stupid they think the ordinary men and women of America are. I guess it’s possible that they meant to exaggerate their low opinion in an ironic way that could make everybody laugh.
      
      Maybe somewhere in America women have been under men’s thumb. I think of P. Diddy parties, things like that.
      
      But also, why would you insult the people you want to influence?
      
      Ms Althouse is a Liberal, retired law professor, Boomer, votes Democrat most of the time (Clinton, Obama, Hillary – though not in 2020 when she refused both choices for President) and one of America’s better known minor bloggers, having been at it for more than twenty years, and often referenced across the internet in that time.
      
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      November 3, 2024 5:20pm
    - julesnzuk
      
      We know what they’re trying to do, Steve. I’m just glad I vote in countries where that sort of condescending drivel would go down like a cup of cold sick.
      
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      November 4, 2024 2:24am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s just the pollsters trying have a bob each way, and to cover their professional arse.
  
  If they don’t know, they should just say so.
  
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  November 3, 2024 11:28am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I heard that the Harris polls will being reported at the upper end of the error, and Trump reported at the lower end.
    
    If the actual percentages were published, the Harris voters would be disheartened and may not bother voting.
    
    Just a theory.
    
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    November 3, 2024 3:16pm
- virtualmark
  
  My pragmatic take is that Trump faces a number of headwinds to winning on Tuesday.
  
  If we take the 2020 voter turnout as our starting point and then see where that vote is likely to go in 2024:
  1) Harris has re-energised the Democrat voter base, and I have to assume that 2020 Biden voters will largely turn out for Harris.
  2) The core MAGA vote is still there and they will turn out for Trump. They’re about 30% of the electorate.
  3) But Trump needs to retain the soft end of the GOP vote. The later primaries had 20-25% voting for Haley, even after Haley pulled out. That’s an anti-Trump GOP protest based on things like January 6th. He’s not going to get all that vote back and some of it is lost to him.
  3) Then there’s the “Roe-mentum” protest vote against the GOP’s policies on abortion and maternal care. That will take another bit of the soft GOP vote away from Trump.
  4) Demographics are against him. 5% or so of 2020’s voters have died. That age cohort broke towards Trump. Meanwhile 5% of the voter base is new 18-22yo voters who break more towards Harris.
  
  Trump can’t afford to lose 2-3% of the overall voter base to protest and/or demographics. If those voters either stay home or, worse, vote for Harris then she could easily exceed Biden’s electoral college numbers.
  
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  November 3, 2024 1:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A lot have died since 2020. So does the count now include the year 2024 dead people count who died since 2020?
    5% of voters for Harris?
    See you Nov 6th NZ time.
    
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    November 3, 2024 6:00pm
kevn

Observing the well documented mass of voting fraud this time around, is everyone still satisfied with the 2020 result?
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November 3, 2024 11:22am
- mandk
  
  No.
  
  How many millions of ineligible voters were there then, and how many are there now?
  
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  November 3, 2024 11:25am
  - kevn
    
    mandk.. Similar I would guess…
    https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1852564989342597398
    
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    November 3, 2024 12:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    81 million Biden voters my left tit.
    Sorry I have no data, but I have common sense.
    
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    November 3, 2024 6:02pm
blue collar

In these tough economic times , here’s a tip to save truck loads of dosh

Save a fortune on your wife’s hair by simply getting a wife with the right hair colour to start with .

You’re welcome 🧑‍🎤👩‍🎤👨‍🎤🧑‍🦰👩‍🦰
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November 3, 2024 11:22am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think there would have been things said by the family if I’d gone looking for a woman with grey hair, back when I was 20.
  
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  November 3, 2024 3:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“Garbage for Trump” at rally in North Carolina.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/supporters-dressed-as-garbage-supporters-leaving-early-can-trump-defend-himself-in-north-carolina/ar-AA1toPiM?
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November 3, 2024 11:42am
- MCōs
  
  Eight years ago I saw a picture of a fleshy middle aged woman with a hand written T-shirt that said ‘Trump can grab my pussy’ with an arrow pointing at her vagina.
  Some people will sacrifice all self respect to draw attention to themselves
  
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  November 3, 2024 3:01pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    One random person. Who cares?
    
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    November 4, 2024 2:25am
- julesnzuk
  
  Good on them, hope they had a laugh! Unbelievably stupid comment from Biden, surpassed only by the arrogant attempt to spin it with an apostrophe.
  
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  November 4, 2024 2:27am
blue collar

Missing children

I checked stats Nz and missing children in police website .
Nothing in stats Nz
Only has 3 on police website , one being kirsa Jensen
Historic

Australia has 20,000
USA 460,000

I read about attempted abductions frequently when I used to read msm .
Some must succeed

So are we sweet or what ?

Seems weird .
Every country has its pedophile sickos and I can’t believe we don’t hv an elite network here on a remote farm or gated compound .

Do they import them ?
Something seems off or I haven’t found the right stats
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November 3, 2024 12:00pm
- MCōs
  
  There’s three high profile kids that anyone with half an eye on the news know about.
  
  I should image some kids are reported as missing Then after they wander in the front door nobody tells the police
  Apparently a lot of kids get abducted from places like Disneyland
  
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  November 3, 2024 2:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The three missing will be the kids near Otorohanga.
  There are many, but that is classified——
  
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  November 3, 2024 6:06pm
Chuck Bird

McBLOG: We speak to Vice-President Kamala Harris… sort of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nqKwvREh1I
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November 3, 2024 1:22pm
Pope Punctilious II

I share the concerns of Bryce Edwards and others about the government’s plan to allow self-certification of new buildings.

Have we learned nothing from the leaky homes debacle?

[Mod – come back with a link not to your gmail and I will update it]
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November 3, 2024 2:51pm
- slijmbal
  
  I wouldn’t put leaky homes down just to self-certification. It seemed a lesser contributor. There were several additional contributions including dodgy builders, local councils giving invalid consents and not properly inspecting, reduction in the requirements for treated wood, building properties like it’s the Mediterranean with insufficient experience to cope with the changing styles and make them waterproof, insufficient eaves, cladded exteriors, flat roofs etc etc. Those designs are just plain too risky for NZ and much more prone to water ingress than traditional styles. I do recall conversations with my tradie mates who told me that they were a disaster waiting to happen back in the 90s. Like most disasters a team event.
  
  Ironically, the current regime from councils is incredibly strict (and slow and expensive) and you’re likely to get 3 different inspection results from 3 different inspectors depending on phase of the moon and the inspector.
  
  Some of the way regulations are applied are ludicrous eg when I renovated the house if I wished to put 3 weather board walls around my car port (on a slope) I have to completely rip out the car port and rebuild it to a standard that enables me to park my two tanks (I jest not – the weight that the car port needs to be able to support is enormously more than even the largest vehicles I could own). Never mind that why a minor mod like that should trigger a rebuild is beyond me. Would have cost six figures!
  
  We have swung the pendulum too far. I believe it takes close to 2 years to build a house in NZ on average with the consents processes taking a significant amount of that – that’s ludicrous.
  
  FYI I believe the plan is to allow self certification in certain lower risk areas to licensed vendors and not generic self certification.
  
  As always the devil will be in the detail
  
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  November 3, 2024 8:10pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Listening to RNZ this morning, it was a pleasure to hear Jim Mora’s gentle interviewing style. He had clearly done his research & simply asked his questions and let the interviewee speak.

Compare & contrast with the two women on Saturday morning, who talk over each other and the interviewee. They don’t know as much as they think they do, come with an agenda and don’t seem to be aware how obvious it all is to the listener.

Whisper it quietly, but I found myself missing Kim Hill.
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November 3, 2024 3:07pm
Chuck Bird

This is a real problem. Peterson is talking about 10% of the population. How many of our MPs would be in that 10%?

What it Means to have an IQ LOWER than 83 | Jordan Peterson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caR69G6wpwU&t=195s
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November 3, 2024 5:24pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Yes it’s a massive and unfair problem. IQ is very strongly genetically determined. Separate twins at birth, raise them in different families and by their 20’s-30’s their IQ’s are nearly identical regardless of education etc.
  
  The simple solution is to teach women this realty: A 150 IQ father will increase average IQ of their kids by about 12-15pts. Sperm is cheap, and that’s the difference between being average and being top 15% of population.
  
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  November 3, 2024 5:34pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Not one Muslim Country is ni the top 50 for IQ!!!!
  
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  November 3, 2024 6:11pm
Colville

Who are these guys masquerading as the Indian cricket team??

What odds did they get at the bookies for a 3/0 sweep LOSS to New Zealand??

🙂
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November 3, 2024 6:04pm
- greybeard
  
  Have you only just realised what they get up to ?
  I suspect a lot of millionaires were created in India when McCullum got his “300+”.
  
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  November 3, 2024 6:31pm
- Colville
  
  Well holy shit balls 😍
  
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  November 3, 2024 8:45pm
kiwikidsnz

TV1 news 100% biased hit job on the Police & Mark Mitchell tonight:

…because they simply deported a bunch of Vietnamese drug dealers instead of wasting time and money on Police, Courts, Legal, Judges, Appeals, Corrections….

According to the patronising nonsensical Benedict Collins, it was very unfair to “let them off on a holiday trip” while prosecuting domestic drug dealers. He wheeled out another juvenile advocate for decriminalising to finish the piece.
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November 3, 2024 6:36pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Yes, I saw that. Disgusting reporting, & it shows that Collins can’t or won’t understand the cost of trial & incarceration.
  
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  November 3, 2024 7:53pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  If desired result is to protect our citizens, then deportation will accomplish this at a much lower cost.
  
  If the desired result is to punish the criminals and try to rehabilitate them, then we have to bear the cost of trials, incarceration, etc. In the end they will likely get deported anyway.
  
  It’s not our responsibility to rehabilitate visiting criminals. Let their home country deal with them.
  
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  November 4, 2024 8:09am
Swifty

More pathetic sentencing for a repeat firearms offender:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/gunman-david-mane-jailed-again-this-time-for-south-auckland-hotel-shooting/33MZVXA46BBIPIPLRADTEKEJAA/
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November 3, 2024 6:43pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rotorua-fatal-crash-ngongotaha-residents-fears-as-gangs-swarm-to-teens-tangi/7LTHFREBONHS7EWOUZEOJBWEGI/

Police are blatantly lying to the public . On the proviso the reporting is accurate.

This is the second case in as many days of police behaving like cowards.
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November 3, 2024 7:00pm
Handyman

It must be a Sunday or Tuesday because the left is screaming to legalise marijuana.
On Mondays and Wednesdays, they are screaming to ban tobacco for under 22 yr olds (it changes every year) and expect the police to enforce the ban.
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November 3, 2024 9:02pm
In Vino Veritas

NZ wins a clean sweep in India!! Un-be-fackin’-lievable! Pitch is turning and bouncing and we outplayed them from the get go. Having played a bit, you have to appreciate the degree of difficulty to win even one test over there in treacherous conditions that most are just not used to. To win 3 on the bounce? One of the best NZ sporting moments ever.
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November 3, 2024 9:20pm
In Vino Veritas

Huge kudos to Will Young who kept NZ in the game and played sensationally.
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