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Steve Otto(North Shore)

Guess what Walz gave to kids on Halloween?

https://babylonbee.com/news/kids-at-tim-walzs-door-disappointed-as-he-fills-candy-bags-with-tampons?
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November 2, 2024 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It should be noted the The Babylon Bee is satire – you know, jokes!
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:28am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    I think practically everybody on this site will be aware of that. Except maybe mike.
    
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    November 2, 2024 9:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden fitted with muzzle so he can’t bite babies.

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-fitted-with-muzzle-so-he-cant-bite-any-more-babies?
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November 2, 2024 8:05am
Anthony Melchett

I looked at the herald so you don’t have to… won’t make that mistake again if this is what passes as news now.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/trans-mans-pregnancy-and-birthing-journey-in-aotearoa/2SH7ALDG5VDQDDD6QQWKI4FOZ4/

What the actual fuck is wrong with these people. They should be in a lunatic asylum. Or a freak show

Apparently they are going to discuss the problems they had feeding? Well maybe don’t cut your breasts off if you want to be a mum.

What sort of life does the kid have? I notice they haven’t said if it’s male or female yet, they will wait a couple of years before they start grooming it for its own transition as miraculously it too will be born into the wrong body.

Please make it stop.
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November 2, 2024 8:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “I notice they haven’t said if it’s male or female yet….”.
  
  The term is “theybies”. Trending in woke parts of the USA. Babies are raised gender neutral so they can choose a gender later in life.
  
  No I’m not joking. 🐷
  
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  November 2, 2024 10:28am
- Flossie
  
  I saw that too, and obviously if the pregnancy was a surprise then all the necessary parts for conception in the normal manner are still available. Therefore this not a man giving birth whatever “their” headspace tells them.
  
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  November 2, 2024 10:34am
Matt Long

Joe Biden called supporters of the Criminal Trump garbage.
Biden’s team then illegally altered the transcript of the conversation.
It’s fortunate Biden is not a criminal, otherwise this would be a crime.
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November 2, 2024 8:09am
- sirknz
  
  As any good lefty will tell you, crime is only done by the poors, and the browns who are fighting back against colonialism.
  
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  November 2, 2024 8:15am
  - kowtow
    
    That’s not ‘crime” , that’s “resistance”.
    
    Crime is when whitey does it.( but only if they’re deplorables or garbage.
    
    And just look at how little ‘news’ is being given to how Two Tier Kier’s regime suppressed the context of the Southport outrage.
    But went all in against the ordinary folk speculating as to the context !
    
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    November 2, 2024 9:55am
- Chuck Bird
  
  The Big Guy is a criminal. He just has not been charged and convicted yet.
  
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  November 2, 2024 8:20am
  - mandk
    
    True.
    
    How else did he amass a fortune of $100+ million, working lifelong as a politician?
    
    Their salaries are not great.
    
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    November 2, 2024 8:52am
    - imalwaysright
      
      I wonder what he plans spending it on…
      
      99% of his current existence is covered by health insurance.
      
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      November 2, 2024 10:12am
- Conservatarian
  
  1984 here we come – altering history for totalitarian purposes.
  
  Although in the real 1984, Reagan defeated the hapless Minnesotan Walter Mondale 525-13 in the electoral college and by nearly 17m in the popular vote. Mondale won Minnesota and, of course, DC.
  
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  November 2, 2024 8:28am
- RoboRob
  
  The current whitehouse team have been alternating transcripts for some time. About time they were called out on it.
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:39am
Yvette

Newsroom –
Analysis: Actions speak louder than words – a trite statement, but one that explains much of why Māori communities will begin their march from the Far North to Parliament in less than a fortnight.
[is the event in less than a fortnight, or will the hikoi take less than a fortnight? -sorry, carry on]
… While the Prime Minister says the Treaty Principles Bill will not progress beyond the select committee stage, what these communities see are the coalition’s actions to progress Act’s flagship legislation that looks to re-define the core principles of the country’s founding document.
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/10/30/encroachment-on-te-tiriti-hiding-in-plain-sight/

• “that looks to re-define the core principles” – so the organisers will display great unity as their late leader, the Maori King, advocated, but without any exactly defined reason, because the legislation they refer to is still days away for actually being known. And they propose transversing the North Island in a ‘hikoi’ to protest this as yet unknown threat.

• “that looks to re-define the core principles” – as suggested several times before, it is a pity ACT’s proposed constitutional bill mentions the Treaty at all, but could simply re-assert that 1 –”Government governs; 2 – legal property rights are protected, and; 3 – all New Zealanders have equal responsibilities and voting rights” [1]

But tangata whenua and tangata tiriti who are opposing the Treaty Principles Bill, and the slew of other moves that encroach on the Treaty of Waitangi and the rights and obligations it affords say they believe the Government’s policies will cause division, not unity.

No, it was Jacinda Ardern, Nanaia Mahuta, and He Puapua that fanned the flames of division.

When protesters gather in Cape Reinga on November 10, and prepare for the nine-day hīkoi to Parliament the Government will get a good idea of how united – or divided – the country is on Treaty issues.

Again, no – if, after walking and using other over-night transport, they arrive in Wellington absolutely united, there will be the rest of the nation doing whatever they do, but not doing it in front of Parliament.

And maybe, this time, a representative delegation (perhaps 10 members) can be met by Parliament officials to deliver some sort of explanation for their being there, unlike Mallard’s attempt to wash the great unwashed or Jacinda’s treatment of the ‘rivers of filth’ which without a climax, hung around for an Ardernity until inevitable police involvement provided the Occupational climax they sought
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[1] And, for my 10c, as several times suggested before, add: 4 – “Government is secular.”
That may remove Christ from what little involvement in Parliament that his name may still be dragged into, but it should at the same time knock te Ao o Maori, the Maori religious world view, on the head – even at the sacrifice of Jesus … again – sorry
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November 2, 2024 8:11am
- pdm
  
  ‘rivers of filth’
  
  Was a Michael Wood creation I think.
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:37am
Toes on the nose

Provincial high school prizegiving last night… 40 odd going to Uni… Auck,Vic, Dunners.. etc. Then it dawned on me Massey=ZERO. Good job! Woke AF.
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November 2, 2024 8:12am
In Vino Veritas

Trump fires back at Mark Cuban for saying he has no strong women around him. “Mark Cuban is a weak man. And has no club head speed”. Boom! 💥 😂
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November 2, 2024 8:12am
NeverMindTheBollocks

It’s not just NZ that science is being augmented by “other ways of knowing”.

Trying to trace previous ownership of Masai jewellery, with limited information in its records, the Pitt-Rivers museum turned to a spiritual leader, who used a sacred gourd that contains stones that reveal patterns. This helped determine family ownership.

“We were really trying to put together our ways of knowing … It’s not easy to communicate completely different ways of how we know …”

Gotta get me one of them gourds!

http://www.bbc.com/future/article/20241031-how-maasai-people-were-reunited-with-precious-maasai-heirlooms
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November 2, 2024 8:16am
- kowtow
  
  Talking of bollocks and stones , our te media are doing their best over “sacred” stones returned to the North Island tribe who invaded and conquered most of the SI .
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is what happens when the Labour wonks get in power.
Looks like the idea will be to knock off the oldies before they turn 75.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/families-face-death-tax-of-70-per-cent-after-budget/ar-AA1tiIEi?
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November 2, 2024 8:17am
- Blackbob
  
  Got to find the money to keep those “refugees” coming in to vote labour, may as well make those filthy capitalists pay for it.
  
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  November 2, 2024 8:40am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: The Homestretch
Divide and conquer.

Some of the cartoons apply to us

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-the-homestretch?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 2, 2024 8:18am
Chuck Bird

Lawson is doing well in qualifying. He is ahead of Hamilton.
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November 2, 2024 8:21am
- Paulus
  
  I think Lawson must be vey careful as it would appear his bosses chewed him up recently for his unacceptable behaviour, and from what is said his competetive drivers have not taken to him.
  He had better driver carefully for the next while or he will be out.
  Manners still maketh the man, even in F1.
  
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  November 2, 2024 8:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Like a cryptic crossword clue. 😀
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:04am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  8th place for the sprint qually, well ahead of other RB cars with the exception of Verstappen in 4th.
  
  I liked his response to a question about his recent aggressive behaviour on the track. Along the lines of, I’m not here to make enemies but I’m not here to make friends either. I am here to secure a seat in 2025 F1.
  
  I hope he clocks up another great result this weekend!
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:19am
igm

Take note those who are complicit in filling New Zealand with faux refugees.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/360471792/welcome-home-polish-children-return-pahiatua
These lovely hard working honest people have brought nothing but prosperity and decency to this country, not vile customs and crime.
The only time they are ever publicised it is for achievements and philanthropy.
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November 2, 2024 8:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Never knew about them Good read, thanks.
  
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  November 2, 2024 11:09am
graham

Sigh. Apparently, the Herald believes this to be the most important story right now (8.40 am) as it has place of pride (pun not intended) on their website.

‘It was magical’: Trans man’s pregnancy and childbirth in Canterbury

Words fail me.
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November 2, 2024 8:41am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Real headline should have been: Woman with mental health issues pretending to be a man discovers the joy of becoming a mother.
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:21am
- G152
  
  Got to be kidding.
  Its a converted female….
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:22am
- Notsofast
  
  The problem the community faces is legitimising the degradation of healthy bodies to treat mental illness.
  The effects of testosterone on female bodies are early menopause and death.
  The article should point this out.
  Trans gender medicine is unique in the medical field for doing harm, not good, and it should be illegal, in the same way class A drugs are.
  The Herald is a disgrace in this area.
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:44am
- leoj
  
  “Magical” would be delivering the baby via his/her arse.
  
  Bring back mental homes.
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:54am
- kowtow
  
  Today’sEmmerson cartoon is an attck on Mike King and his alcohol filled gumboot.
  
  Interesting how being seen as a beneficiary of this coalition’s spending can make you such a high profile target .
  
  Does anyone know if he targetted the gangs receiving so many millions from Ardern .
  
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  November 2, 2024 10:08am
imalwaysright

Remembering when Trump asked Vice President Pence to reject the result of the 2020 election, is it possible for VP Harris to reject the upcoming result?
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November 2, 2024 8:57am
- Mike
  
  It wasn’t legal for Trump to ask, and Pence correctly followed the procedure. I think subsequent legislation might have made it clearer that the VP has no power to reject electoral votes.
  Trump’s supporters have other plans this time should the votes not fall their way. It all starts with the refusal, in advance, to accept that a Harris victory could be anything other than fraudulent.
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/republicans-donald-trump-polls-us-election-lawsuits
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:27am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Hate to break it to you Mike, but when Harris loses (which looks more likely each day), it’s pretty easy to predict the left reaction will make the Jan 6 protests look like a Christmas parade. Remember 2020? Antifa (the fascists) and BLM?
    
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    November 2, 2024 9:42am
    - Mike
      
      Yes, and only Trump can protect women (whether they like it or not) and get rid of the immigrants poisoning the blood of the country.
      
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      November 2, 2024 10:20am
  - imalwaysright
    
    At the time I got the impression that it was an obscure feature of the Constitution to guard against electoral fraud.
    
    Note also the Dems have recently hired a top election lawyer. Hopefully the courts don’t get involved.
    
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    November 2, 2024 9:57am
  - Steve Todd
    
    I think subsequent legislation might have made it clearer that the VP has no power to reject electoral votes.
    
    Correct.
    
    Here is the Electoral Count Reform Act 2022: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4573/text.
    
    Scroll down to section 109(b) Powers Of The President of Senate, subsection (2) Powers Explicitly Denied.
    
    Also, note that subsection (1) makes it clear that “the role of the President of the Senate while presiding over the joint meeting shall be limited to performing solely ministerial duties.”
    
    This is a good article, too, setting out how the ECRA would block attempts to overturn the election: https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2024/09/26/election-watchdogs-detail-new-timeline-for-finalizing-tallying-electoral-votes/.
    
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    November 2, 2024 9:58am
- MCōs
  
  Back in 2000 GWBush beat VP Gore because of a court decision that could have gone either way.
  Although there was a lot of grumbling Gore accepted the result and followed correct procedure.
  Furthermore
  Clinton fronted up at Bush’s inauguration unlike the graceless Trump when Biden was inaugurated.
  
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  November 2, 2024 11:13am
G152

What ever happened to the crazies who claimed a planetX was going to crash into the Earth back in the 90s because a crazy claimed to be getting telepathic messages…
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November 2, 2024 9:25am
- Ghost
  
  They’re still there, it’s just been delayed now until 2029
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:27am
  - Mike
    
    Current home of the chief nutbars:
    http://poleshift.ning.com/
    
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    November 2, 2024 9:40am
- Mike
  
  Planet X was the astronomical term for the hypothetical planet beyond Neptune.
  The whackos prophesizing Planet X/Nbiru crashing into us in 2002? quickly moved on to the Mayan Apocalypse, etc.
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:34am
- pdm
  
  The dates must be flexible because back in the 90’s I had a client who was convinced the World was going to end in 2004.
  
  A good solid, hard working family man who was resolute about that.
  
  I still run into him occasionally but the topic does not arise these days – I assume he has ‘seen the light’.
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:45am
Rusty

And who does Kamala Harris remind us of with her love bombing messages on the American people at the expense of sensible policies?

We all know who.
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November 2, 2024 9:32am
Steve Todd

Some good news for Kamala Harris among likely voters in the three northern battleground states. According to MaristPoll, she’s +2 over Trump in Pennsylvania, +3 in Michigan, and +2 in Wisconsin. The polls were conducted from October 27 through October 30.

See—
https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/marist-pennsylvania-poll-u-s-presidential-contest-in-pennsylvania-november-2024/

https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/marist-michigan-poll-u-s-presidential-contest-in-michigan-november-2024/

https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/marist-wisconsin-poll-u-s-presidential-contest-in-wisconsin-november-2024/.
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November 2, 2024 9:33am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Nate Silver went into a tirade about how pollsters are lying to people about their results just days before the election.
  
  Silver, the founder of poll analytics site FiveThirtyEight, was speaking on his podcast when he was asked what his models tell him will happen next Tuesday.
  
  While he says it’s a 55% chance Donald Trump wins vs. 45% for Kamala Harris, what pollsters have been doing in the run-up to the election has left him unsettled. ‘
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14027247/Polling-Nostradamus-Nate-Silver-says-lying-election-forecasts.html
  
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  November 2, 2024 10:12am
Ghost

Can’t blame then, I’d be leaving too if I was them

A growing number of wealthy Americans are making plans to leave the country in the run-up to Tuesday’s election, with many fearing political and social unrest regardless of who wins, according to immigration attorneys.

Article
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November 2, 2024 9:37am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It will be entertaining.
  
  If Trump loses narrowly, it will be full on legal warfare.
  
  If Trump wins, the left will lose their minds, riots, etc.
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:47am
- Handyman
  
  There will be many Democrats who attended Ardern’s American lectures and believe she turned New Zealand into a left wing paradise. “No one rioted when I became Prime Minister”
  We do not need advice on how to turn New Zealand into California of the south. We are doing quite nicely ruining the country ourselves thank you.
  
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  November 2, 2024 10:18am
Benedict Yu

Midwives stopped using the term “mother” a couple of years ago.

“… using the word “woman” also excluded people who give birth and make use of midwifery services, but do not identify as women.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/130398403/midwifery-council-proposes-dropping-the-words-mother-and-woman-from-its-guidelines

A person giving birth in New Zealand is a “birthing person”.

At least a trans man is a woman who can feed a baby.

In the UK, trans women, who are actually men, are injected with hormones so they can lactate, increasing inclusiveness in the feeding process.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/when-trans-rights-trump-babies-rights/

Then of course there is the trend to parents having not babies but “theybies”.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/theybies-parenting-trend-children-gender-neutral-12411332.html.

Parents, especially trans parents, refuse to raise a child as a boy or a girl. They treat the baby as gender neutral until the child chooses a gender later in life.

I could go on, but that is enough crazy for this morning. 🤯
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November 2, 2024 9:43am
- John Loveridge
  
  If I was to state that all this is a harbinger of the collapse of Western civilization, many would immediately accuse me of being hysterical. But history, which endlessly repeats, bears me out.
  
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  November 2, 2024 9:55am
- Burtland
  
  these kids are going to need special schools – the schoolyard can be brutal
  
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  November 2, 2024 10:05am
Scooter

There’s an article in the Herald asking if Lotto wins should be taxed (behind a paywall). With all the talk of CGT etc why aren’t lottery wins taxed. And apparently it’s easier to name the countries that do tax lottery winnings than those that don’t. I would be interested to hear why taxing isn’t a good thing in NZ?

Those that tax: United States, Brazil, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Israel, Switzerland, Poland, the Netherlands, Slovenia and Croatia.
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November 2, 2024 9:44am
- Eastlander
  
  Because the notion is low and miserly. Let the government buy its own lottery ticket if it wants a bite.
  
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  November 2, 2024 10:08am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I really don’t care but would point out that the lottery is a state monopoly in NZ. They choose the % of sales that go back into winnings. So it already a tax that the non-winning ticket buyers are contributing to of their own freewill. Taxing the winnings is just lowering the % of sales the government is giving back. I would suggest that it would be less political damage to just tweak (lower) the amount of winnings that they will give back than create a winners tax.
  
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  November 2, 2024 10:22am
- Mike
  
  Lotto, like most forms of gambling, is already an effective transfer of wealth from poorer communities to richer ones in the guise of using profits to sustain worthy projects.
  Lotto wins would be easy to tax, but at the expense of making the Powerball jackpots a little less alluring. So, the question would be whether a tax would affect sales significantly enough to affect the largesse for sports, arts, etc., bearing in mind that the additional tax revenue would only go into the general pool of money wasted on welfare, health and education.
  
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  November 2, 2024 10:28am
- thirteenstars
  
  Because it wasn’t earned, so it’s not income, and because it’s certainly not a capital gain. According to your logic we should also tax winnings from pokies and roulette tables.
  
  Just because others do something is no reason for us to do it.
  
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  November 2, 2024 10:30am
Steve Todd

Allan Lichtman is predicting (as at Thursday night) Kamala will win. He suggests it could be by 302–236. His prediction is based on his analysis of the situation and is independent of his Keys.

The splurge says—

“Allan Lichtman takes a look at the electoral college map for the 2024 presidential election between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. He makes his analysis on which states will go blue or red in the count to 270.

“Due note that this is not a prediction based on The Keys to the White House or any other official, scientific system. It’s just Allan’s gut. LOL”

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYKflo-J18. [1 hr 10 mins]
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