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CJames

It seems the last NZ government is not the only one who that came to grief trying to get new ferries. Tasmania also has stuffed it up, with both cost overruns and late delivery plus essential upgraded berths would not ready in time. The ships ordered would not fit in existing berths. Oh, how familiar. However in a big contrast to here, there the Minister actually resigned.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-08/mike-grainger-ex-tt-line-boss-spirit-of-tasmania-inquiry/104442052
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/tas/2024/10/15/tasmania-liberal-resign-ferries
Though this incident is not data, there seems a universal story that a bureaucracy with its own agenda driven by incompetent politicians cannot do any infrastructure without stuffing it up. For NZ, was there anything built during the previous administration that was within budget and on time? I could expand that to local government for last ten years.
Yet in an almost textbook example of Dunning Kruger, the politicians still continue to believe in their own ability to drive “ambitious” projects – signature landmarks which invariably turn out to be white elephants. All this rather than sticking to the basics. That’s too boring or maybe it’s because it is old white males excel at.
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October 26, 2024 8:01am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  “was there anything built during the previous administration that was within budget and on time?”
  
  Um was there ANYTHING built at all?
  
  Can anyone name anything they actually did apart from talk, launder money and racially divide the country?
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:26am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Well they spent more than $300,000 on the opening ceremony for Transmission Gully motorway.
    
    https://tinyurl.com/4ax3at9a
    
    Steven Joyce not invited. 😕
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:13am
  - 3-coil
    
    Anthony Melchett:
    That is an excellent question !
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:24am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Sure they did, here’s my list:
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:39am
  - Burtland
    
    the built a fiscal cliff and pushed NZ over it
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:43am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Kiwibuild was a great success! They built handfuls, nay, dozens, of houses in just 6 years!
    
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    October 26, 2024 11:57am
Souvlaki

Andrew Geddis salivating at the below prospect….which the collective left will try & move mountains to achieve.
Lets dump Mt Albert !

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360464647/seat-epsom-facing-electoral-oblivion
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October 26, 2024 8:03am
- Southern Raider
  
  Thought exactly the same. He seems to be frothing at the prospect of killing Epsom and then tried to sell us that the decision is not political.
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They can wish as much as they like, I highly doubt the two electorates mentioned above will disappear, their boundaries may move a bit, I mean they have just added an extra seat in Auckland ( Takanini) .
  
  The left clearly know that Labour are f….d or why would they belch this shit
  
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  October 26, 2024 11:56am
Cassandra

Tauranga Nats planned a debate tonight between two teams of Nat MPs. An “encourage the team” event with a bit of fundraising. Email arrived yesterday from the local MP Sam Uffindell, that the event location had cancelled the booking because,of a threatened protest. Appalling. Probably local Hamas supporters plus a few Maori radicals. A much better idea would be the police doing what they’re paid to do.
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October 26, 2024 8:03am
- Mike
  
  Perhaps venues should be prohibited from cancelling bookings.
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:06am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Publicly owned venues, yes.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:21am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Perhaps instead of cancelling, they could have added in a 30 minute Punch and Judy show warm up event of police debating protesters with batons and handcuffs.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:27am
  - Cassandra
    
    No, Mike, they shouldn’t feel that they should cancel because of a threat of violence. Freedom of speech includes being able to speak. Peaceful protest does not include violence, intimidation or damage to property, all of which you are advocating, albeit the indirectly.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:29am
    - Mike
      
      How do you imagine I am advocating violence?
      
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      October 26, 2024 9:34am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Actually, I think they decided not to hold it due to the threat of protest. I’m pretty sure the venue did not cancel the booking – it was a decision of the local Nats.
        
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        October 26, 2024 10:18am
      - Cassandra
        
        Don Beckett: the email from the MP stated that the venue cancelled because of the threat. So, all you’ve got to do is to threaten a venue and there’ll be no more Nat, Act, NZF functions.
        
        [Mod – just debate the issues without making it personal]
        
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        October 26, 2024 11:04am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Looks like I was wrong – the venue did cancel, and that surprises me.
        The venue was the Tauranga Yacht & power Boat Club which is located on the reclamation land. The main issue would be only one road in & out of the place – so disruption would be very easy to accomplish.
        
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        October 26, 2024 11:17am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        It’s pretty obvious Mike, but in your case, not worth wasting any effort on.
        
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        October 26, 2024 8:14pm
  - Ghost
    
    Not sure how many people would support that. This blog had many members who’ve complained about events held at public libraries.
    
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    October 26, 2024 11:39am
- Gravelroad
  
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  “The event location cancelled the booking”.
  Ok, fair enough. If it is a cafe or restaurant- the proprietors obviously don’t need the income.
  If it is a local hall or similar, the owners/managers don’t need the income.
  And they don’t need the hassle of repairing any damage done by protesters.
  And the police will be saved the bother of turning up to ensure that no laws are broken.
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:10am
  - Quail
    
    Gravel ,are you saying that while venue owners have the right to cancel booked events that times must be good if they can afford the loss of revenue?
    
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    October 26, 2024 8:42am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Yes.
      
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      October 26, 2024 9:10am
  - Gravelroad
    
    kristallnacht:
    Pogrom against Jews throughout Nazi Germany on 9–10 November 1938
    So I am a Jew hating Nazi now?
    That is a step too far.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:19am
    - Mike
      
      Lazy Nazi analogies are lazy.
      
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      October 26, 2024 9:35am
- AitchW
  
  The left really is the poster child for intolerance and cancel culture.
  I wonder what the ladies who lunch who voted for Ardern because she’s so kind would make of this?
  Sadly, indoctrinated students will cheer this. Until they grow up, have a family and a mortgage. Perhaps then they’ll be less keen for their taxes to be wasted on white elephants and virtue signalling.
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:29am
  - Michael Johnston
    
    Many of them will have neither a family nor a mortgage and therefore no real incentive to grow up.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:29am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep. Many will be single and still living with Mummy and Daddy when they are 50.
      Protesters don’t have time for a family. No mortgage if you have no job.
      Watch the shit hit the fan when they find out they are not in the Wills!
      
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      October 26, 2024 11:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Police are scared of protests. Look at what happened at Albert Park with Posie Parker.
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:55am
  - lifesgood
    
    They weren’t scared of the Albert Park protesters, they joined forces with them to aid and abet.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Only the transistors. They get top Police protection.
      
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      October 26, 2024 11:40am
      - kowtow
        
        Hamas too .
        
        Police arrest peaceful counter demonstrators , to “keep the peace’ which is evidence that they believe the Hamas protestors are capable of violence.
        
        Note too the relatively huge police escort that Twyford had to have to get out of the venue where he was jeered off the stage .( an action that Swarbrick and the rest of the Greens had nothing to say to)
        
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        October 26, 2024 1:45pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    That was under the Labour traveling clown show right?
    
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    October 26, 2024 6:54pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Where was the venue?
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:01am
  - rjay
    
    Tauranga Yacht & power Boat Club
    
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    October 26, 2024 12:41pm
- Inandout
  
  NZF don’t seem to have a problem with venues. Maybe the protestors can sense weakness.
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:08am
- Manu-Rau
  
  Cassandra, please can you tell us the name of the venue? I want to make sure they never get a cent of my hard-earned. Thanks!
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:50am
  - AitchW
    
    I think you’re being unfair. If it is a smallish restaurant or cafe they run the risk of being doxxed if they go ahead. The resulting loss of custom could send them to the wall.
    Rather than punish a small business owner should we not address those responsible for the threats (no doubt carefully veiled) of disruption and violence.
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:35am
  - Cassandra
    
    Don’t know the venue, sorry.
    
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    October 26, 2024 11:09am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Tauranga Yacht & Power Boat Club, which is at the end of the Tauranga reclamation. There is only one road in & out, so disruption would be very easily accomplished.
      
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      October 26, 2024 12:44pm
  - rjay
    
    Tauranga Yacht & power Boat Club
    
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    October 26, 2024 12:41pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Police may still be down at Ōpōtiki
  
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  October 26, 2024 11:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Steve Bannon is still in jail. Are Kamala and Merrick Garland trying to keep him in jail until after Nov 5th?
Garland should be in jail.

https://thepatriotexpress.com/therightwingclub/biden-harris-holding-steve-bannon-in-prison-past-his-release-date/?
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October 26, 2024 8:05am
- Mike
  
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  Steve Bannon was lucky to get such a light sentence and would have been freed a long time ago had he accepted responsibility for his crimes. He is not the martyr you are looking for.
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cheney’s subpoena was all above board right?
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:02am
- Scott
  
  Some other commenters took me to task recently regarding my claim that dead people voted in the 2020 presidential election and are likely voting today.
  What’s to stop dead people voting? Safeguards like signature verification did not happen last time in many states. For example –
  “Michigan secretary of state Jocelyn Benson also said she would water down the signature match requirement altogether.Just before the November election, she instructed election clerks to “presume” signatures were valid and accurate.”
  ‘Rigged’ – Hemingway p22
  Many states, like California, think asking for voter ID is either racist or simply beyond the pale. Check out Elon Musk on this issue –
  
  https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBZdudIyMP1/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
  
  So no signature verification and no voter ID. Whose to say the person voting is legit?
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:10am
  - Ghost
    
    Let’s look at the often misunderstood California
    
    However, some voters may be asked to show a form of identification when voting if they are voting for the first time after registering to vote by mail and did not provide a driver license number, California identification number, or the last four digits of their social security number.
    
    Article
    
    And here is the identification you have to Show
    
    In California if you register on the day your vote is not counted until your registration is verified as stated Here in those circumstance
    
    And Here is the identification you need to present when registering.
    
    Looks like Michigan are all set. Article
    
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    October 26, 2024 8:55am
    - Manu-Rau
      
      “…..SOME voters MAY be asked……”
      
      How about, “…ALL voters ARE REQUIRED to show…….”
      
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      October 26, 2024 9:00am
      - Ghost
        
        The some voters are all who are voting for first time after registering to vote by mail and did not provide a driver license number. If you’ve already provided that identification you aren’t asked.
        
        Until your registration is confirmed your vote isn’t counted
        
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        October 26, 2024 9:03am
      - Manu-Rau
        
        Ghost @ 9.03:
        
        Do-uuhh…..
        
        And what’s to stop someone else voting under the real voter’s name once said real voter’s registration process is complete?
        
        The ONLY reason anyone would not want voters to provide ID is that they intend to cheat. There is no other reason whatsoever.
        
        Absolutely none.
        
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        October 26, 2024 9:12am
      - Ghost
        
        Here is the voter fraud in California for 2020
        
        https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=CA&year=2020&case_type=All&fraud_type=All
        
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        October 26, 2024 9:20am
      - Don Beckett
        
        California !!!!
        
        Guffaw. 😆
        
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        October 26, 2024 10:22am
      - Jethrod
        
        California population 18,000,000…… half a dozen electoral fraud cases!
        
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        October 26, 2024 11:43am
  - JackRabbit
    
    [Mod – debate without making it personal]
    
    You could not read KiwiInAmerica’s post and official links provided, and still deny election fraud.:
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/the_lie_that_all_2020_election_fraud_cases_failed.html
    
    That is in addition to multiple streamed congress and senate hearings / meetings from 2020 onwards, multiple online articles showing the sheer amount of corruption, ballot stuffing, machine tampering / software tampering, etc.
    
    Here is yet another one.
    
    Whistleblower from DOJ, FBI, DEA and DHS Exposes Shocking Roadmap of Foreign Control Over US Elections. Gary Berntsen is a veteran of the United States Air Force and a retired Senior Operations Officer and Chief of Station of the Central Intelligence Agency.
    
    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/whistleblower-from-doj-fbi-dea-and-dhs-exposes-shocking-roadmap-of-foreign-control-over-us-elections/
    
    Berntsen is a well known figure, and a highly decorated CIA officer, a key figure in coordinating the fight against the Taliban forces around Kabul.
    
    He has written several well known books, about Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, and The Taliban.
    
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/210520.Jawbreaker
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:53am
    - NothingLeft
      
      News from today; shows there is a massive coordinated electoral fraud effort underway in critical swing state Pennsylvania at least (and will almost certainly be similar in other swing states).
      
      BREAKING: Lancaster, Pennsylvania officials have busted a large-scale fraudulent voter registration scheme that includes thousands of applications with the same handwriting, fake signatures, false addresses, etc
      
      They discovered the same scheme in other Pennsylvania counties.
      
      District Attorney Heather Adams revealed that the applications came from canvassers who were paid to obtain voter registrations, adding that “The majority of the applications were from residents in the city of Lancaster… The canvases themselves took place at various shopping centers, parking lots of grocery stores and businesses, sidewalks and parks.”
      
      “We are aware of at least two other counties that receive similar applications that are currently being investigated.”
      
      If you listen closely, the DA said the Clerk received the applications at or near the deadline to register to vote. That means the bad actors waited till the last minute so no one would notice. They would’ve used the fraudulent applications to commit mail-in ballot fraud without getting caught.
      
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      October 26, 2024 10:54am
      - artemisia
        
        Lancaster police on the case. Seems a local canvassing organisation is probably involved. Might be a few folk packing a toothbrush.
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:42pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Thanks for the update. If I recall correctly, in 2020, Pennsylvania was one of the first states to have a large senate meeting, detailing the fraud. People given evidence were scrutineers, and observers, many ex military.
        
        -Ballot Boxes full of “postal ballots”, all for democrats, that were not in envelopes and not folded, so never arrived by mail.
        
        -Nerds rushing around with a dozen USB drives plugging into voting machines.
        
        -Evidence that voting machines were being accessed remotely with “firmware updates” being applied after voting started, which is not allowed.
        
        Which stroke for stroke, is an almost identical scenario of what happened in one season on the series “The Good Wife” where they did exactly that:
        
        -Wheeled in fake boxes of ballots in wee small hours.
        -Tampered with voting machines with “firmware updates” to alter the vote count.
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:51pm
  - Inandout
    
    Scott, and another one in Penn?
    https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-voter-registration-investigation-8380686817ed4d4eb16dc303d01b2a76
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:18am
    - Ghost
      
      Imagine that. Their processes working and catching it….
      
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      October 26, 2024 10:19am
      - NothingLeft
        
        In this instance, for this election cycle. But for every crime like this that is detected there will normally be multiples of it that are not. Certainly during Covid everything was so disrupted that normal checks were almost entirely set aside/absent
        
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        October 26, 2024 10:57am
      - Ghost
        
        And yet trumps own people couldn’t find it
        
        https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4385239-voter-data-expert-trump-campaign-2020-election-not-stolen/
        
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        October 26, 2024 11:03am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Once anonymized ballots are permitted into the system – without checks for their legality – there is no way of assessing via recounts etc if they were ever valid.
        
        In 2020 the rejection rate for postal ballots went down to fractions of a percent from historic several percent. These ‘checks’ were being done without oversight, in democratically held metropolitan shitholes like Fulton County Georgia, by poll workers hired by Democrat controlled administrations. Does that sound like the kind of set up that will produce honest rigorous checking for fraud?
        
        The whole process of checking postal ballot validity amounts to an electoral worker comparing a signature on the envelope against a signature on file and then dropping the ballot in the counting box and chucking the envelope. It was being done in an average of a few seconds, and is a near useless check that you can drive a bus load of fraud through – either by telling the bored/unmotivated/tired checkers to speed up, or by registering fake voters and creating fake (duplicated) signatures using computers and printers to fill in the documentation at large scales.
        
        It is incredibly weak against industrial scale ballot fraud efforts in democrat controlled cities, and that is by (Democrat efforts to change laws to enable it) design.
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:02pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        A current example of this problem from Colorado, where 10 fraudulent mail ballots came in (only known because vigilant voters checked their vote status – only a small fraction would normally do this), and yet a poll worker allowed 3 of them into the system – where they will now be counted being impossible to identify:
        
        https://www.zerohedge.com/political/least-dozen-colorado-ballots-stolen-and-mailed-officials-say
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:14pm
      - Ghost
        
        I think you mean it was caught by the systems they have in place
        
        This issue was flagged during Colorado’s secure signature verification process.”
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:18pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        [ Mod – if people cannot debate without the personal comments then i will just start deleting them instead of editing it out]
        
        There is no way of knowing if there were 100x as many that were not caught – it relies upon voter’s checking. It is easy for fraudsters to find out if people have voted in previous elections from publicly available records making it easy to target them for fraudulent postal ballot harvesting with noone the wiser, and as Pennsylvania shows easy to create large numbers of fake voters – they wouldn’t have established such larges systematic processes for doing it otherwise, and this is for sure not their first Rodeo. And Colorado admit that 3 fraudulent ballots are in the system and will be counted.
        
        The state and county level election winning beneficiaries of the fraud (Republican and Democrat) have effective local control and veto over processes and investigations into the fraud. Given such incentives and controls it is inevitable that it will be rampant.
        
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        October 26, 2024 1:07pm
- All_on_Red
  
  C’mon Steve, Bannon is an idiot and he broke the Law. Keeping him in Jail is probably a good thing for Trump
  But you are right about the way Garland has weaponised the DOJ against GOP supporters.
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bannon ignored a subpoena from the J6 Liz Cheney Committee.
    More Democrat bullshit. The left attacking Trump.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:00am
    - Mike
      
      It’s pretty well established that citizens cannot ignore lawful summonses from legally constituted authorities just because they don’t like the authorities in power.
      
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      October 26, 2024 9:39am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Agreed, but why are they holding him in gaol after his release date ?
        Lawfare.
        
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        October 26, 2024 10:24am
      - herb1
        
        Hunter Biden 2023 tells the lie to your statement
        
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        October 26, 2024 10:36am
      - CJames
        
        Weren’t a number of Biden administration figures issued lawful summon by Congress Committee? That included the AG Mr Garland. They held him in contempt and even tried to enforce a subpoena against him.
        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/merrick-garland-subpoena-house-republicans-inherent-contempt/
        Why isn’t he in jail? Could it be that there is a two tier justice system in the US enforced by the present administration? I have no doubt that if Trump wins and the tables are reversed, there will be massive wailing from a currently silent media.
        
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        October 26, 2024 10:54am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The J6 committee was an authority?
        It was a group of rabid lefties attacking Trump, nothing less.
        
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        October 26, 2024 11:46am
      - NothingLeft
        
        J6 committee shat on long established convention by not including minority party appointed representatives (substituting democrat chosen Rino quislings)
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:17pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        So Mike, Hillary should be in jail? Is that what you’re saying?
        
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        October 26, 2024 7:03pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Obama’s AG Eric Holder was actually held in contempt by a bi-partisan vote in Congress for stiffing their subpoena to testify over the Fast and Furious scandal, he just laughed and told them to stick it and everybody just shrugged and moved on because it was accepted to be a political dance.
      
      But now that the Democrats have established a new rule I hope the GOP applies it to future Democrats. In fact if they want this lawfare shit to stop they’ll have to do that.
      
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      October 26, 2024 12:58pm
      - Mike
        
        ‘Lawfare’ is defined as the government prosecuting people on my side. When my side is in power, there is no ‘lawfare’, just scrupulously impartial administration of justice.
        Even Tom Hunter knows this.
        
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        October 26, 2024 1:55pm
- peterwn
  
  Steve Bannon’s due release date is 29 October and the Federal Bureau of Prisons says he will be released then. So he is not being held in prison past his due release date. If he was held beyond 29 October his lawyer can file a writ of Habeas Corpus as well as sue for damages for wrongful imprisonment.
  
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  October 26, 2024 10:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He was to have early release after complying with certain things – but these are nasty Democrats in control here.
    
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    October 26, 2024 11:48am
    - Ghost
      
      No he wasn’t. His bid for an early release was denied.
      
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      October 26, 2024 11:49am
      - Manu-Rau
        
        Denied by who? Stinking, cheating, lying Democrats? Okay then…..
        
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        October 26, 2024 1:20pm
      - Ghost
        
        he was denied early release by Judge Carl Nichols, who was appointed by someone called president donald trump in 2019.
        
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        October 26, 2024 1:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes Ghost, denied why????
        Democrats? Never never never
        
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        October 26, 2024 6:13pm
      - Ghost
        
        The judge is a member of the Federalist Society. So, no.
        
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        October 26, 2024 6:34pm
hmmokrightitis

https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/188-rise-in-mortality-risk-among-nz-teens-following-covid-vax/

When will we have a proper grown up conversation about how we were lied to about safe and effective? When will those responsible be held to actual, proper account?
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October 26, 2024 8:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well there is one person to ask, but you will just get word soup waffle.
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:08am
  - nathie
    
    Whereabouts is this one person you speak of? 😉
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The google machine won’t tell me, neither will duckduckgo.
      Wherever this person is they will be annoying the fuck out of someone. Kindness will be the subject of the waffle.
      
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      October 26, 2024 11:54am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  This, if true, is extremely troubling. But, I don’t know how such payments could be hidden, and in a small country, how the truth could not leak out – damn the NDA, a public expose would cause the fall of a government (or rescindment of a Damehood).
  
  “We have been aware for some time of persistent but unsubstantiated and undocumented rumours reaching us from a number of independent sources reportedly close to families who had young family members who died subsequent to Covid vaccination and who are reported to have received 6 figure compensation sums from the government on the condition set by an NDA that they not talk about the matter publicly.”
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:15am
- Grunter
  
  I think it will be forever buried in smoke and mirrors. It is now clear to most of us that the jab was total BS. But for the Big Pharma crooks and the collective Governments to admit to their now obvious crimes would be catastrophic. Instead we will just see distrust completely erode and when (not if) the next crisis hits very few will follow the orders of the corrupt ‘leaders’.
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:17am
  - Flossie
    
    There are people who still religiously go for their covid shot. I was lost for words when my neighbour said a couple of days ago that he was off to get one.
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:07am
    - Bridgenag
      
      You just help stupid
      
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      October 26, 2024 11:29am
    - peterwn
      
      Me too. Now some people on Kiwiblog will be lost for words at my admission. But I do not want Covid!
      
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      October 26, 2024 1:04pm
      - wsk12345
        
        Curious as to what lengths you go to to avoid a mild cold or hayfever? I’m unvaxxed and middle aged, had covid 3 x and the mild cold was as bad as it got.
        
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        October 26, 2024 3:12pm
      - AitchW
        
        I’m with you pererwn. I don’t want it again.
        I took the initial jab and the booster, but no more after that.
        Early this year I caught Covid and was as sick as a dog for 2 weeks. I tested negative at the end of those 2 weeks but it was another fortnight till I felt anything like back to normal.
        I will be getting boosted from now on. I look forward to when they combine the booster with the annual flu shot.
        Some may experience Covid as a mild cold. They’re lucky, for others it’s much worse.
        
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        October 26, 2024 4:13pm
    - peterwn
      
      wsk12345 – I get the ‘flu shot annually – the nurse does them both together.
      
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      October 26, 2024 6:40pm
    - Ghost
      
      If someone wants to get the vaccine that is their personal decision.
      
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      October 26, 2024 6:52pm
      - Anthony Melchett
        
        Which would be fine except it wasn’t. They were forced into it.
        
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        October 26, 2024 11:57pm
      - Ghost
        
        No, the person mentioned above getting it now is not being forced into it.
        
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        October 27, 2024 8:08am
Cassandra

“Maori (well Willie Jackson anyway) in shock – Minister appoints someone to the Waitangi Tribunal who will actually listen to the evidence and make a decision based on it.” No wonder poor old Willie is upset – he’s used to the Tribunal writing its report and then calling for evidence.
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October 26, 2024 8:09am
- pdm
  
  Cass I sometimes wonder if they ring [Mod – just use his proper name] Willie and ask him what he wants in the report.
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:16am
  - AitchW
    
    The report is most likely written in the Manurewa Marae.
    
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    October 26, 2024 8:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Willie and Tuku, and JT.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:09am
- AC
  
  Just imagine if Don Brash was appointed Chairman ! Willie’s head would just explode – now that he has mentioned it the government should make it happen. Or better still just get rid of it . It’s been going for more than 50 years – a great example of a self perpetuating government entity . The reign will go on and on and on .
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A rort that was started 50 years ago to rip off the Net Taxpayer.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:40am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      No, Steve. Undoubtedly many Māoris were ripped off in the colonial period. Land confiscation in Waitara and the Waikato were two obvious cases. In Wellington, a tenth of the land was supposed to be set aside from the sale. Much less than a tenth was reserved, and of that land that was reserved, much was leased (to the local hospital board and Athletic Park, among others) on a peppercorn rental. These were injustices that needed to be settled.
      
      Having said that, full & final needs to apply. And, legal truth-stretching needs to stop. In 1840, broadband was not a taonga. And, the water we drink and the air we breathe, not to mention outer space, are not within remit.
      
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      October 26, 2024 9:54am
      - Burtland
        
        the injustices have been turned into a rort
        
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        October 26, 2024 11:04am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Strange. I was under the impression that Maori sold 92% of their land.
        I must have got that wrong.
        
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        October 26, 2024 11:57am
  - John Loveridge
    
    If I was the Government I would appoint Don Brash just for the satisfaction of seeing Willie Jackson’s head explode. Imagine the mess! It’s a huge head.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:43am
    - Manu-Rau
      
      True, but then again it is completely empty. It would be like a balloon popping.
      
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      October 26, 2024 1:24pm
  - artemisia
    
    I think the Waitangi Tribunal started out with 3 members, now up to 20. Plus all the others on the payroll.
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:30am
    - Ra Henare
      
      The 1976 law provides for a minimum of 3 and a maximum of 20 members.
      
      Jobs for the boys springs to mind.
      
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      October 26, 2024 6:02pm
  - Warren Murray
    
    Michael Bassett perhaps 🤔
    
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    October 26, 2024 3:01pm
    - pdm
      
      Would be a great choice and he and Prebble would stop the crap they propagate these days.
      
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      October 26, 2024 4:44pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Michael Bassett was an original Tribunal member.
      
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      October 26, 2024 6:02pm
      - Mike
        
        Not an original member. Appointed when his other troughs dried up.
        
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        October 26, 2024 6:29pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Thank you for the correction, Mike. My bad.
        
        From 1994 to 2004 Bassett was a member of the Waitangi Tribunal,
        
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        October 27, 2024 3:19am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: Treason By Any Other Name
is still treason.

https://www.malone.news/p/friday-funnies-treason-by-any-other?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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October 26, 2024 8:12am
- CJames
  
  It is worth watching the two embedded videos of Dominic Frisby singing short songs about Donald & Kamala. They are also on Twitter but not Youtube.
  
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  October 26, 2024 12:27pm
Bridgenag

How the German energy transition has committed taxpayers to paying billions of Euros for the sun to shine

EUGYPPIUS
“Ours is truly one of the dumbest eras in human history”

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/how-the-german-energy-transition?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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October 26, 2024 8:13am
- wsk12345
  
  I’m pretty sure this happens in Aus at times- their feed in tariffs used to be insane, a friend paid off his rooftop solar in about 3 years with the feed in tariff. I think the gov/ regulator severely cut the price paid at that point. Germany obvs failed to read the situation…
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:21am
- cmm
  
  “Ours is truly one of the dumbest eras in human history”
  
  That is a good point.
  
  While we have some very, very, bright people making the technology that everyone depends on, the rest of the population does not need to be as bright to survive and we’re seeing this reflected in maths scores etc.
  
  Consider how computers in their various guises (shop check outs, banks, calculators, smart phone apps,…) have replaced day-to-day arithmetic that everyone could do in their head.
  
  While very few people are brighter, the vast majority are getting dumber.
  
  I expect this will only increase – especially if we get more pervasive AI.
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:32am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Bread and circuses. Most Germans don’t need to care (enough) about politicians making dumb decisions because their lives remain comfortable no matter what the tax burden.
    
    When the day comes that electricity no longer automatically arrives at the click of a switch, or they can no longer affordably fly to the Balearics for some winter sun, or tropical fruit no longer appears in the supermarket, or the European Champions League is restructured to avoid unnecessary travel – then they will care.
    
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    October 26, 2024 8:53am
    - AitchW
      
      An astute observation. It appears to me that many ‘light greens’ are happy to save the planet until their EV attracts RUC and the price of an airfare to Paris skyrockets because of soaring fuel prices caused by carbon offsets.
      
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      October 26, 2024 9:17am
  - JackRabbit
    
    While very few people are brighter, the vast majority are getting dumber.
    
    So true.
    
    If you build any automation technology, it is an aid and a tool to speed up the process, but everyone should still know how to do the process manually.
    
    This is in keeping with the concept of being taught “how to think”, instead of “what to think”.
    
    Knowing “how to think” is a dying art, far more common in us more mature types than the younger generations.
    
    Anyone that knew “how to think” could see through the Covid pandemic lies from the very beginning. Those who weren’t taught “how to think”, drank the Koolaid news with smugness.
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:03am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Well said JackR,
      
      I was amazed at how many people, whom I considered reasonably intelligent, not only embraced the illusion of a pandemic, but did it with greed.
      They were clearly afraid at first, as I was, but then they embraced the fear and fed it with ignorance and daily rations of propaganda.
      
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      October 26, 2024 11:01am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      “People knowing how to do things” has been dying for a long time.
      
      My Dad knew how to set the points and grease the nipples on his 1950s British car. I can change the oil on my ICE vehicle. My son won’t be able to do anything on his EV except check the tyre pressure.
      
      The same is true for electrical gadgets, partly because they’re not built with repair in mind but also because they’re much more complex, perhaps unnecessarily so. Check out the 1960s Kenwood mixer vs today’s electronic masterpiece.
      
      The reality is that affluence brings complexity, while we are less and less inclined to do anything except to pay someone else to fix or replace.
      
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      October 26, 2024 1:56pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      EXAMPLE. Stand in a queue at a market that doesn’t have scanning.
      Boomers calculate the cost in their head before a youngster with a calculator has punched in the first numbers.
      
      I do it for fun with young cashiers. (even with scanning machines). Telling them the total before they finish. When they ask how I did that(look of shock & amazement). I wink and say…””I used my brain. It’s called mental arithmetic””…they have no idea what I am talking about.
      
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      October 26, 2024 6:07pm
  - Paulus
    
    I believe that the PC has only been around for some 35 years, having been invented by Maori, of course, and some think it is a Taonga as they own the airwaves.
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:38am
  - Burtland
    
    AI will be a disaster …
    
    you have to be smarter than it to figure out if its right
    – how does that work?
    
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    October 26, 2024 11:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

True numbers starting to come out?
The thrill has gone.

https://americanvoterpolls.com/election-forecasts-show-trump-surging-ahead-of-harris-for-2024-presidency/?
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October 26, 2024 8:23am
- kowtow
  
  When Democrat senators in swing states run ads saying they can work with a Trump presidency …..
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    DINOs?
    
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    October 26, 2024 11:58am
    - kowtow
      
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13988059/democratic-ads-trump-pennsylvania-bob-casey-tammy-baldwin.html
      
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      October 26, 2024 1:55pm
- kevn
  
  SteveO… Worms are turning.
  https://www.zerohedge.com/political/wapo-bails-kamala-wont-make-presidential-endorsement
  and:
  https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dangerous-times-latimes-editor-quits-after-owner-strikes-down-kamala-endorsement
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  T as me was waffling on radio this morning the Dems think the pollsters have adjusted their poll numbers because Trump gains a better result than polls, how the hell can that be? Is they not simply under the margin of error? Since when do pollsters suggest they fiddled with the numbers.
  
  In saying that Tame did say he thought Trump was going to win.
  
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  October 26, 2024 12:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What did Labour/Union folk think would happen to young job-seekers when youth rates disappeared?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/531915/there-isn-t-enough-opportunities-for-youth-teenagers-struggling-to-get-summer-jobs
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October 26, 2024 8:24am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Jobs are there. As a new graduate my daughter has been offered two, but is hanging out for a third.
  
  She started by babysitting in the neighbourhood, then volunteering on Saturdays at a charity shop. There she learned eftpos & cash handling, stock control, dealing with difficult people etc. Her first paid job was in a lunch bar; her colleagues slopped out bain marie food or scrubbed the pots but she got to be on the till because she had done it before. From there she moved to a restaurant waitress role, and later to a girl Friday job in a small engineering firm.
  
  I have to say that she has an outward going personality and could always speak with adults. By contrast, my son lives in his bedroom, scorned volunteer work, never picked up the phone but applied for roles on line. Predictably, he was less successful than his sister.
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:43am
  - rouppe
    
    My son has been doing casual labouring in Christchurch.
    
    Ranged from shoveling fish meal to pulling down scaffolding.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:25am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Correct NMTB. My two daughters were delivering hopeful CV’s when they were at college. Those CV’s got fleshed out as they did different jobs (including online influencing). Both worked while at Uni. Both are early 20’s and have been building share portfolios for more than 5 years plus have money in managed funds. When I taught them about the time value of money, they were quite dismissive of the 90c interest they got. But now, they absolutely get it.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:35am
  - Paulus
    
    Your Daughter is like so many excellent young New Zealanders – the girls are excelling so why do we not hear more of their achievements ?
    Am told at Uni they all want to be Lawyers too.
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:40am
    - All_on_Red
      
      AI is probably going to hurt the legal profession
      
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      October 26, 2024 11:23am
    - Burtland
      
      women seem to be the ones stuffing the legal system
      – is it because they like bad boys? //
      
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      October 26, 2024 11:58am
  - rjay
    
    My son did laboring for a plumber over summer. He got the job because he knocked on the outfits door and asked. His boss said he turned down kids who turned up with a parent. They aren’t going to cope with digging drains and crawling through ceilings, he said.
    
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    October 26, 2024 1:05pm
- AitchW
  
  I’m not sure I’d employ a kid who doesn’t speak the
  King’s English. Surely there ‘aren’t’ enough opportunities? Does ‘isn’t’ not warrant a ‘sic’?
  Perhaps I’m just a pedantic old boomer, but grammar and spelling matter!
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m not sure I’d employ a kid who doesn’t speak the
    King’s English.
    
    I’m more than happy to (and even adults), for I can correct their spelling and grammar, if NECESSARY.
    
    If I employ someone, I just require that they’re reliable, tidy in their work habits, able to follow basic instructions and pleasant.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:29am
    - artemisia
      
      Back in the day educator John Holt wrote some innovative books, the most well known being How Children Learn and How Children Fail.
      
      One thing he suggested – get rid of schools and set up a lot of volunteers in the neighbourhood. Any child could knock on these doors and ask how to spell a word. That was enough to open a learning door, like at the library. Thinking well out of the box he was.
      
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      October 26, 2024 10:15am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Attitude is everything when it coms to employing unskilled youth – a desire to learn, and positive in their approach & willingness to do even the menial tasks.
      
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      October 26, 2024 10:33am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Absolutely, Don. Sadly, many mangers who hire on experience find themselves firing on attitude.
        
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        October 26, 2024 1:59pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        “Firing on attitude”.
        
        It would be nice if you could “fire” someone for good reasons. When you hire someone in New Zealand it’s almost like you are marrying them. Very difficult to rid yourself of an undesirable employee. There is a long advesarial process that a company must go through to in order to rid themselves of a undesirable/bad employee.
        
        Having good legal advise is very important to minimize (not eliminate) the chances of finding yourself in a very expensive legal battle.
        
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        October 26, 2024 6:02pm
    - Paulus
      
      And they fit in with their exisitng contemporary workers.
      
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      October 26, 2024 10:42am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Hmm, I have discounted people instantly at interview because they said “youse”. As in “youse” guys. Or do “youse” have X? Its an abomination that should never be tolerated.
      
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      October 26, 2024 11:09am
      - Don Beckett
        
        It depends in what role you were to employ them. If it’s as a builder’s labourer, it really doesn’t matter – it’s positive attitude that’s important.
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Don’t come to Gizzy, then.
        
        I was vaguely horrified when Hubby and I were asked:
        “What would youse like to order?,
        Did youse enjoy your meal?
        Haven’t seen youse for a while, what have youse been up to ?”
        
        but after 10+ years here, I’ve stopped noticing ….
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:59pm
    - Burtland
      
      Ive worked with educated gen Z ers and gave up …
      
      one IT guy stopped turning up to work – someone asked his mates if he was ok – turned out he had started working for someone else and hadnt even resigned.
      
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      October 26, 2024 12:11pm
  - Colville
    
    Aitch..
    
    I’m not sure I’d employ a kid who doesn’t speak the
    King’s English.
    
    You sure as shit dont work anywhere near tradespeople then!!
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:26am
    - Bridgenag
      
      You just help stupid
      
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      October 26, 2024 12:06pm
    - AitchW
      
      Oh I do Colville, I interact with tradies every day. The majority are intelligent people who speak English well, often peppered with some choice Anglo/Saxon epithets.
      I suspect that His Majesty isn’t above using the same epithets from time to time…
      
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      October 26, 2024 4:18pm
- CJames
  
  You are correct Maggy – all too predictable. Just like replacing low skill jobs with robots. But the unions (Labour is only their political wing) won’t learn. I wonder how long it will be before the UK economy collapses from all their big pay rises. Starmer taking them back to the mid-70s.
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:48am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I recently watched a video clip of a duty free store at a major airport. One staff member. A guard. 😃
    
    You enter the store and register your debit / credit card. A bit like using a self serve petrol station. You pick your purchases and pass through a scanner. A robot tells you the cost. You press a button and exit the store.
    
    How long before that comes to supermarkets?
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:28am
    - Taieri
      
      How long before that comes to supermarkets?
      ————
      
      Plenty of self service check out counters in NZ supermarkets. I almost never use one that is manned now after a certain check out operator pissed me off.
      
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      October 26, 2024 10:00am
      - CJames
        
        There are a lot at our local supermarket, but they are supervised by staff and have security guards at the exit so staffing levels have hardly dropped. Must be too many shoplifters – the pox of modern shopping. What are the losses the stores suffer? How much of the exorbitant prices they charge is to cover the theft?
        
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        October 26, 2024 11:01am
      - H. Upmann
        
        BY’s example though has the customer swiping their card BEFORE entering the store.
        
        That makes a big difference would certainly help combat theft.
        
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        October 26, 2024 11:37am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        My example is quite different to existing check outs in New Zealand supermarkets.
        
        If implemented, you would:
        
        – enter the supermarket and swipe your card. It would debit a nominal hold – say $20.
        
        – Fill your trolley.
        
        – Wheel your trolley through a scanner – no need to individually scan each item.
        
        – Robot tells you the cost – you press a button to confirm that you want to purchase. Card processed and barrier opens to let you out of the store.
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:43pm
    - artemisia
      
      Being done in the US by Amazon, looks like early version of Just Walk Out has been upgraded.
      
      Some v cool vids from Ocado in the UK, robotic picking and packing online grocery orders on a huge scale. Probably not here for a good while due to customer numbers and costs per.
      
      OTOH once were switchboard operators, bank tellers and checkout operators. Now all or most the one person model.
      
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      October 26, 2024 10:07am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Anecdotally, I think that young workers who must be paid the adult minimum wage are being partially displaced by older workers. This seems to be particularly so in New Zealand which has the highest workforce participation rates of older workers in the OECD.
        
        Think how often you have seen a person clearly in their 70s working the petrol station counter. 20 hours work per week on top of their pension makes a more comfortable retirement. They have a lifetime track record of showing up every day. Reliable, no drug issues.
        
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        October 26, 2024 10:28am
      - Flossie
        
        Exactly BY. My partner worked well past retirement age and was so appreciated by his employer. As you say, reliable and definitely no drug test issues. In fact quite a lot of the staff were of similar age.
        
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        October 26, 2024 11:09am
      - Burtland
        
        worked on a project for a client
        first project meeting …
        client -“good to see no one under 50 working on my project”
        true story
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:20pm
      - An Old Kiwi
        
        OTOH, I know of many “older” workers (50+ yo, let alone 65+) who would love a job, but can’t get hired. They’re seen as lacking energy & willingness to learn/change. (Might have some truth to it sometimes.)
        Ageism is rife at both ends of the range.
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:51pm
    - Inandout
      
      BY, duty free here is easy when you choose your poison and pay before departure. On return the booze is ready waiting to be uplifted.
      
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      October 26, 2024 10:22am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Also sounds like a cheap solution to the proposed multi billion dollar bus fare system.
      Scan your debit card getting on and off the bus and use gps to determine the cost.
      
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      October 26, 2024 11:33am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        GPS already does its share. The machine on the bus knows where the bus is in relation to the zone boundaries. When you swipe off, it then calculates the difference between where you got on & charges the fare based on whatever the rules are. The only difference is that the charge goes against your stored value card rather than your bank account.
        
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        October 26, 2024 5:41pm
      - peterwn
        
        A cheap home brew solution is illusory. There are limitations as to how much information that can be installed on a credit or debit card. In practice it would be only sufficient information so an inspector can check that the passenger tagged on. So the reader system need to store the tag on’s and tag off’s until they can be uploaded which could be immediately or worst case the end of the day. Cubic has developed the back end engine which processes all the tag information, calculates the total fare at the end of the day and puts through a debit with the appropriate card company. it handles transfers, daily caps, weekly caps etc. The back end system would have cost a fortune to develop and the intellectual property would be worth billions. It would not be worthwhile for the largest public transport operators to develop a home-brew system with that versatility. So that is why London, Sydney, New York, New Zealand (work in progress) etc have contracted to use the Cubic system despite high front end costs.
        To give an example of the difference it makes – an overseas passenger arrives at Sydney Airport and finds the next train to Central or Circular Quay leaves in 5 minutes. The passenger can tag on at the turnstile with pretty well any major credit or debit card and is quickly on the train. A similar passenger at Auckland Airport (at present) has to purchase a HOP card to get on the bus to Puhinui station to catch a train to town. The passenger cannot pay cash on the bus. Ridiculous!
        
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        October 26, 2024 7:29pm
    - sirknz
      
      Amazon have supermarkets that used AI to do this.
      
      It was recently found out that in this case that AI meant ‘Amrit in India’ watching you on video and adding and removing items from your trolley from the footage later.
      
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      October 26, 2024 8:10pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Tame was waffling on radio this morning the Dems think the pollsters have adjusted their poll numbers because Trump gains a better result than polls, how the hell can that be? Is they not simply under the margin of error? Since when do pollsters suggest they fiddled with the numbers.
  
  In saying that Tame did say he thought Trump was going to win.
  
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  October 26, 2024 12:17pm
  - Inandout
    
    G, another one playing it safe.
    
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    October 26, 2024 2:39pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What else can he do?
      
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      October 26, 2024 7:30pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Not just youth wage. The H&S religion is also a barrier
  
  My teenage daughter wanted to volunteer (so minimum wage doesn’t even apply) and gave up after multiple charities (hospice shops, SPCA and food banks) stated they would accept any volunteers under 16 because of their H&S policy
  
  How does a smart responsible teenager create a greater risk of having a H&S incident washing dog blankets or dusting shelves at an op shop than someone who is over 16?
  
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  October 26, 2024 2:56pm
  - Hollyfield
    
    Possibly safeguarding of minors comes into it.
    
    If she’s interested, tell her to contact Girl Guides and volunteer in a unit. She’ll learn leadership, planning, event management, it will look great on her CV, and the service will count towards things like Duke of Edinburgh. And safeguarding practices are already in place.
    
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    October 26, 2024 3:47pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Interesting. My daughter was younger than 16 when she volunteered at an Op shop in Newtown, home of the unwashed. She & a friend of similar age opened up the shop on a Saturday morning & had to deal with losers trying to haggle on price (can you believe it!). Perhaps the H&S manual was accidentally sold to a punter.
    
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    October 26, 2024 5:44pm
Matt Long

In a heart breaking development, the editor of the LA Times has had to resign in protest as the owners refuse to endorse Harris. Don’t they know Trump is, like, literally Hitler?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/la-times-editor-resigns-over-paper-not-endorsing-harris-president-not-okay-us-being-silent
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October 26, 2024 8:31am
- Matt Long
  
  More heartbreak for the Otago Region as Councillor is forced to accept he will be unable to cost the region hundreds of millions by introducing Parker’s unworkable regulations, I do hope other radical greens won’t follow his petulant example and resign from office.
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/freshwater-plan-orc-councillor-resigns-after-govt-steps
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:36am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    No by election required, which is a small mercy for the ratepayers. More work for his colleagues, though presumably his stipend is then divvied up also.
    
    Personally, unless ill health crops up, my view is that elected officials should see out their term. This guy is just taking his ball and going home.
    
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    October 26, 2024 8:46am
  - AitchW
    
    Another red/green councillor past his use by date throws his toys out of the cot and goes home when he doesn’t get his own way.
    If only Ms Whanau would take note.
    
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    October 26, 2024 8:48am
    - Paulus
      
      Ms Whanau may be out of her depth, but it is the Council staff who run things, as Councillors are only there to white wash the Staff requirements from their lobby groups.
      They know she is unable to understand what she is being fed by the staff, so is being put possibly in an unfair position by the media.
      Remember all Council staff in New Zealand have one employer, the CEO – well done Helen.
      
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      October 26, 2024 10:49am
  - CJames
    
    You forgot the sarc tag for those who take the written word too literally.
    
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    October 26, 2024 8:50am
    - greybeard
      
      And there are also some who take the spoken word too literally: just ask Andrew Bayly !
      
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      October 26, 2024 3:56pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    David Parker is still there. I guarantee that he believes that he will get another turn to do all that stuff.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:29am
    - Burtland
      
      Duncan Webb still there too
      
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      October 26, 2024 12:24pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I note this week the government have canned Te Wai O …….. water ever the remaining remnants was of 3 waters that some around him here kept saying was a disgrace, and SNA’s have been canned for another three years, all in all a great week, even though Labour whinged about Bayly all week, saying this is a disgrace after some of the shenanigan’s we seen from high profile ministers under Hipkins.
      
      All in all a great week, now we find out Verrals sister in law was a spy for Verral, remember the leaks early on? Hipkins tried to suggest a sister in law was a distant relative. Hipkins should be punished for lying to the people in this country, it use to be a sackable offence to lie to the people (mislead)
      
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      October 26, 2024 12:26pm
  - Grunter
    
    I personally know this clown, never voted for him. A nice enough guy but 100% Leftard. I just wish his Leftard mates and most of those employed by the ORC followed his example and jump off the cliff and disappear from public life. Quarantine Island in Otago Harbour would be appropriate.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:32am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He is a leech, he was a disgrace in Dunedin, he was part of a group of get rich (pricks) scheme where they bought the old Parkside Hospital, they built several ghetto style units that are already looking shabby and run down.
      
      One will never forget where Parker told demolition crews to bury the huge amount of asbetos, that asbestos has lead to kids getting sick in the area it was buried, but this swine was made minister of the environment, and was AG, a position his corruption led to his sacking
      
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      October 26, 2024 12:31pm
  - Taieri
    
    Truly a Man of Principle, this councillor.
    
    For some reason he wasn’t all that principled and vocal about the ORC rates going up by about 690% (!) since 2016-2017.
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:05am
- Quail
  
  Would have thought all “ independent news organisations “ should be independent!
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:41am
- Inandout
  
  Matt, the rats are deserting the Dems in large numbers as they see the writing on the wall. One problem though is that Trump is in imminent danger.
  
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  October 26, 2024 10:32am
- artemisia
  
  Actually not endorsing either candidate, though that’s a hint anyway. The reasoning in the linked article says the editorial board declined to carry out a factual candidate comparison to inform an endorsement.
  
  Very sad the editor wasted her time drafting the editorial endorsing Harris before resigning.
  
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  October 26, 2024 10:49am
- artemisia
  
  Washington Post not endorsing a candidate either. Editor at large Robert Kagan, has resigned in protest.
  
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  October 26, 2024 1:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump at McDonalds. We have all seen the vid clips, but there is more here.
The Left’s brains are melting. Pocahontas falsely says Trump was price gouging!
What a great troll!

https://patriotpulse.net/donald-trump-went-to-mcdonalds-and-you-wont-believe-what-happened-next/?
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October 26, 2024 8:31am
- Benedict Yu
  
  If Trump wins, the McDonalds thing will be remembered as a pivotal moment.
  
  The left reactions were epic.
  
  One was “he was not really working at the McDonald’s”.
  
  https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/difference-work-trumps-staged-mcdonalds-theatrics-rcna176365
  
  Yes I think that we figured that he was not, literally, on the payroll. 😂
  
  Then there was the allegation that he was denigrating the workers there. I watched it carefully. Those workers teaching him how to make fries loved it.
  
  Then there were the cries that the folk in the drive thru were vetted. Well yes. They were hardly going to let a random person drive up to the drive thru counter and shoot him. 🙄
  
  And it went on and on. 😂
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:45am
  - John Loveridge
    
    I’ve seen many videos of Trump in that kind of setting where he just excels with a sort of common touch. He seems to take himself entirely unseriously, which is completely at odds with the image of him as an egotistical, self-serving boor. I don’t know what to make of it all. I can hardly say I’m a big fan, but at times I detect a lot more to the man than his opposition would have you believe.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The left go very weird when the Trump campaign does something that they would never have thought of.
    Number one troll.
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:00am
    - AitchW
      
      To be fair, the left is already weird. It gets weirder when provoked.
      
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      October 26, 2024 10:10am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The melt down when he wins is going to be epic.
        
        So many questions. Will Biden attend the inauguration? Will Biden leave the traditional hand-written letter of advice on the Resolution Desk?
        
        One thing to look forward to. As Vice President, Kamala is required to count and certify the Electoral College votes and to declare Trump lawfully elected president. 😀
        
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        October 26, 2024 10:39am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        BY,
        Kamala’s summary of the Electoral College will be excellent word salad.
        Did the Electoral College students grow up in middle class families??
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:03pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        I imagine it will read:
        “fuck you.
        -the Big Guy”
        And be smudged by drool.
        
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        October 26, 2024 12:08pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Yep Ben, the Dems were frying their own brains. Though I did watch a Dem strategist say he thought Trump had just won the election. He said that if the Democrats couldn’t see the genius in what had just happened, they had rocks in their heads.
    
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    October 26, 2024 11:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I need a trailer load of popcorn.
      
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      October 26, 2024 12:05pm
- ChristopherW2
  
  Mr Trump has always been a wonderful, kind man who genuinely likes people and wants to do good in the world.
  
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  October 26, 2024 11:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Over 30 minutes and no bites yet? Strange.
    
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    October 26, 2024 12:06pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, and Macca’s has come out and clearly stated they can not find any references of Harris ever working for Macca’s this sort of lies should have been all over the media from day one, it appears she has never ever prosecuted anyone either
  
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  October 26, 2024 12:34pm
MCōs

Something I listened to this morning was Todd Muller analyzing the American elections with an emphasis on the big dance.
He suggests Mr Trump will win and the subsequent fallout for NZ, which ain’t pretty
Mind you he’s been wrong in the past
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26-10-2024/todd-muller-on-what-the-us-election-means-for-new-zealand-and-who-will-win?utm_source=spinoff-share-button&utm_medium=spinoff-web-mobile
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October 26, 2024 8:35am
- Matt Long
  
  I agree with Muller that he made the best decision in stepping down before the last election.
  
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  October 26, 2024 8:40am
- Manu-Rau
  
  Sorry, I stopped reading at ‘www.thespinoff’
  
  Going by their target audience and those who cite their opinion pieces, ‘www.thejackoff’ would seem to be a more appropriate name.
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:23am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Can you summarise his points if you listened to it?
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The only fallout for in is tariffs, we seen high quality organic wool to the states. Because it is organic, it fetches a huge price over snd above the global market. The price for the wool is twice the price plus, a tariff may damage that, but to suggest that is a reason to hate trump is pathetic, organic wool in the US is probably impossible to source with the requirement to be pesticide free. They may well not put tariffs on products they need.
  
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  October 26, 2024 12:39pm
  - Quail
    
    GG
    Any links for Organic wool?
    Thanks
    
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    October 26, 2024 3:52pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I do not need links, we contract the wool and it is dispatched from where we operate. I have seen prices that are more than double the global price, I have worked in wool for 44 years, are you suggesting I don’t know what I am talking about? I see many down votes, probably because of organic, but if customers want pesticide free wool, and they want to pay huge, then why the hell is that a bad thing? I e we old gave thought people on here would celebrate the fact hard working farmers e we oils have the audacity to take contract prices close to two and a half times the global price. It’s utterly nuts that people here who say they are not woke do not understand that farmers operate the way they can. Pesticide free sheep wool is worth huge money and becoming worth more and more by the day
      
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      October 26, 2024 7:40pm
- David Garrett
  
  Told Muller as a pundit? Seriously? The guy has a judgment very similar in nature to the captain of RMS Titanic
  
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  October 26, 2024 5:32pm
Ipanema69

I follow a couple of military related channels on youtube. I came across a very interesting analytical piece in the from of a discussion between a retired marine and a former US Navy SEAL officer.

The discussion related to the publication of a report into the death by drowning of two US navy seals during a boarding operation in the persian gulf.

The thing that most struck me about the discussion was that its focus was not on the mistakes that had occurred during the boarding process but the lack of adequate planning for contingencies in the event that things went wrong.

The tenor of the discussion was basically “shit goes south all the time” but you have to extensively plan for that eventuality.

In this context the interesting question with respect to the loss of the Manawanui will be what contingency planning was in place in case “shit went south” during the reef surveying operation.
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October 26, 2024 8:38am
- Cassandra
  
  Very good observation. Plans don’t survive the first contact with the enemy allegedly. But contingency planning – what if? – is vital.
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:37am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I always preferred Mike Tyson’s take on that –
    
    “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face”
    
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    October 26, 2024 2:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Woman Claims In 1993 Trump Touched Her Inappropriately With Classified Documents While Praising Hitler.

https://babylonbee.com/news/nail-in-the-coffin-woman-alleges-in-1993-trump-touched-her-inappropriately-with-classified-documents-while-praising-hitler?
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October 26, 2024 8:38am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrats might choose their own candidate next time:

https://babylonbee.com/news/frustrated-democrats-reportedly-considering-letting-voters-pick-the-presidential-candidate-next-time?
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October 26, 2024 8:41am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

LA Times Staff Resigns After Being Asked To Publish Facts.

https://babylonbee.com/news/la-times-staff-resigns-after-being-asked-to-publish-facts?
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October 26, 2024 8:45am
Tauhei Notts

I saw on American site;
“If Harris was an animal she would be a duck-billed platitude.”
Possibly she has an affinity with Australian fauna.
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October 26, 2024 8:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

Winston in fine form handling journalists in Samoa questioning him about the Conflict of interest – Ayesha Verrall sister-in-law matter.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/531924/incredibly-disappointing-pm-turns-up-heat-on-ministry-of-health-failing-to-disclose-conflict-of-interest
(see 2nd video clip near the end of the article)
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October 26, 2024 9:01am
MCōs

Unbelievably the Blackcaps may win again in India on a wicket hand prepared in heaven for the locals
That’s all I’m prepared to say at this time

Meanwhile Pakistan may snatch victory from certain defeat after nearly snatching defeat from a winning position, but there’s still a chance for England to snatch victory.
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October 26, 2024 9:04am
- AitchW
  
  Have we ever won a test series in India?
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:09am
  - Manu-Rau
    
    No. But our first overseas series win was in Pakistan in 1969, in similar circumstances to what’s happening in India.
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:27am
  - MCōs
    
    Only ever won three games decades apart
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:38am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No
    
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    October 26, 2024 9:52am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Whatever happened to boring Test cricket, eh Cossie?
  
  I blame Brendan McCullum.
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:18am
- Southern Raider
  
  What I can’t get over is Washington. Not wanted by India for 4 years, brought in at the last moment and has claimed 90% of the Black Cap wickets, and by bowled or LBW
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:21am
  - marcw
    
    IIRC Santner was only added to the playing eleven after Matt Henry withdrew with a calf injury.
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:38am
    - pdm
      
      Not sure about that Marc
      
      I think Santner would have replaced Southee had Henry been fit.
      
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      October 26, 2024 4:53pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I’ve been trying to find the original betting odds of New Zealand winning the series. Must have been at least $20.
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:54am
  - Mike
    
    Was thinking about that. It would be nice to be able to track changing odds.
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:30am
  - Colville
    
    I am trying to put it in a rugby context.
    
    Its like Wales winning a 2 test series in New Zealand against a full strength ABs side?
    
    Its a bit trickier than that even…with test cricket the home side gets the pitch they want because the groundskeeper is on speed dial to the team captain..
    
    Aint no way there was ever going to be a blade of grass on the pitch after India lost the first test and here we are …!!!
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:31am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Its like Wales winning a 2 test series in New Zealand against a full strength ABs side?”
      
      IMO a New Zealand team winning a test series in India 2-1 is a bigger achievement than your example.
      
      India has not lost a series at home since 2012. That was against England. You need to go back to 2004 for another series loss. So this would be only India’s second loss at home in 20 years.
      
      Also, New Zealand has just concluded a 2-0 loss against Sri Lanka.
      
      Anyway, they have not won yet 🙂
      
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      October 26, 2024 12:50pm
      - Mike
        
        We certainly can’t rule out NZ losing the last 5 wickets for 10 runs and India being 250/2 by stumps.
        
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        October 26, 2024 1:15pm
      - Beach Haven expat
        
        Given the new lows Foster and Robertson have taken the ABs to, losing a home series to Wales is not that outlandish.
        
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        October 26, 2024 6:49pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The problem for India was they were meant to win the toss, they lost, and our quick runs in that first 3 hours possibly finished them off, 301 lead, 3 days left, I want to see every possible run dragged out. 250 was probably a winning score, but I can’t settle on we have enough runs
  
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  October 26, 2024 12:43pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Not really. Batting first was always going to be right call, because this is not a wicket to bat fourth on. But, the advantage of the roller does not seem to last beyond a dozen overs or so, which means the pitch has not been overly biased one way or the other.
    
    The reality is that NZ has batted better than India, and have (to date) bowled as well as India.
    
    Still a long way to go, though.
    
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    October 26, 2024 2:11pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      India needed to bat first. We won the toss, we chose to bat
      
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      October 26, 2024 7:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump claims he’s ‘not supposed’ to tell supporters he’s winning in key swing states.
“I said, ‘Well, it’s a double-edged sword.’ If we’re leading by a lot, they won’t think about cheating as much,”

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-claims-he-s-not-supposed-to-tell-supporters-he-s-winning-in-key-swing-states/ar-AA1sVI9F?
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October 26, 2024 9:14am
- NothingLeft
  
  Trump is polling massively ahead of where he was when he won against Clinton in 2016. It’s going to be a landslide.
  
  Time to make a big bet? (60:40 odds available in online betting markets)
  https://www.realclearpolling.com/betting-odds/2024/president
  
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  October 26, 2024 11:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Clinton was going to win with 85% remember?
    
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    October 26, 2024 12:08pm
  - kevn
    
    Nothing… The Carlson effect from the chat on 31st should push it a bit more. 70/30 maybe?
    
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    October 26, 2024 12:10pm
  - ChristopherW2
    
    Mrs Clinton lost because the US Left thought she was going to win, so the election fraud was restrained, to its ‘normal’ (probably quite significant) level. In 2020 the fraud was blatant and all-out.
    
    This election still has me very nervous. The real worry is that the US Left might have the capacity to commit election fraud beyond even that of 2020.
    
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    October 26, 2024 1:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Fraud?? There is no fraud. The media told me….
      Oh, so do the lefties around here
      
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      October 26, 2024 6:21pm
rouppe

Stuff taking a shot at the government:

What are those costs?

The arguments
Whanau pointed to a range of increased costs driving up rates. These are:

1. Three Waters. The Labour Government’s Three Waters plan would have amalgamated local water infrastructure.
2. The Crown observer. Under the Local Government Act, the council bares the cost of the observer.
3. Government-mandated referenda on Māori seats. The coalition Government passed law requiring every council that had recently created Māori wards to hold binding referendum to decide the fate of those wards, or to abolish them.

What a load of rubbish.
1. Leaving aside the odious and racist co governance, Three Waters would have transferred successive councils failure from ratepayers to taxpayers. Saved council budget numbers, but not the actual people who pay.
2. Yes an additional cost. Due to their incompetence.
3. The Maori wards were an undemocratic change Wellington council leapt on. The cost of a referendum is entirely on the council. They don’t have to hold the referendum, they could simply disestablish the racist seat at no cost.
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October 26, 2024 9:20am
- sirknz
  
  Stuff taking shots at the Government?
  
  Must be serious then because they only do this sort if thing several times a day…
  
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  October 26, 2024 11:01am
- Eastlander
  
  The observer’s salary is a pittance when compared to the $42 million they have now announced they want to spend on Frank Kitts park (a figure that would certainly grow if they were able to implement their plans). A commission for Wellington is quite obviously needed in view of their determination not to address the city’s problems. And the same model should be applied to most other local authorities – there’s no problem with any of them that can’t be solved simply by forcing them to do less.
  
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  October 26, 2024 12:30pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yep. In yesterday’s Post – the estimate for fencing & lighting the waterfront jumps from $7m to $30m. Turns out that the fencing steel has to be marine grade – who knew!
    
    The problem being fixed is that the occasional drunken idiot falls into the sea and drowns. Which is sad for their family, but also means ratepayers will be hemmed in and be footing the bill for the privilege.
    
    Councillor Tim Brown suggested paying a life saver would be cheaper. A good start, but I’d rather an AI-enhanced camera that fires a life ring into the water, plus some Council investment in encouraging Learn to Swim classes for primary school kids.
    
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    October 26, 2024 2:20pm
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      Safetyism being carried to its logical confusion as always! The last person I can recall to have drowned by the waterfront was an obvious suicide.
      
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      October 26, 2024 4:26pm
pdm

MCos I sometimes wonder what some of these Black Cap batsmen are on.
Blundell attempting reverse sweep to first ball he faced.
Mitchell attempting reverse sweep to second ball he faced. Then goes half cocked to cow corner after he has played himself in.

Another 100 runs would be good – because an Indian batsman is going to get a big hundred (170 plus) before the series is over.
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October 26, 2024 9:21am
- Cassandra
  
  The reverse sweep well executed is outstanding. Happens occasionally, about 5%. Really stupid unless you’re a genius.
  
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  October 26, 2024 9:40am
- mandk
  
  I agree. NZ will want 400+ to feel reasonably confident about getting the victory.
  
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  October 26, 2024 10:07am
- AitchW
  
  The pitch will likely start breaking up around the end of day 3. IF we can bat till then, then declare with a lead of 400+ we may roll them like we did in the first test.
  I’ve been quite impressed with this team on this tour. Maybe we are seeing the start of another period like the 80s. Fingers crossed!
  
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  October 26, 2024 10:15am
  - greybeard
    
    Maybe it is because Williamson is not there.
    
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    October 26, 2024 10:40am
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    AW if we bat all day today the lead will be close to 600 there are no Trevor Baileys or Slasher McKays in the NZ lower order.
    
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    October 26, 2024 4:59pm
- gravedodger
  
  Cmon people they are one test up on a lost toss and leading the second test in second innings by 300 with Five wickets, whatever happens even Dowling and Wright will be slightly in awe.
  Btw the three winning NZ skippers in India are all Canterbury Born and Bred, two Christs College and one St Andrews old collegians.
  That pitch suits Santner’s Guile
  
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  October 26, 2024 11:06am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The one eyed Cantabrian ….
    
    But, I repeat myself.
    
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    October 26, 2024 2:23pm
  - AitchW
    
    I’m with you gravedodger. I’m looking forward to a declaration late in the day with a lead of 400+.
    A quick half hour onslaught against tired batsmen with a crumbling pitch and failing light.
    Then back into them tomorrow with an opener and hopefully a night watchman at the crease.
    And they call football the beautiful game!
    
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    October 26, 2024 4:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Q.
Where does all the World Bank’s Climate Fund money go?

A. No-one seems to know.

https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10546/621658/bp-climate-finance-unchecked-241017-en.pdf?sequence=6
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October 26, 2024 9:46am
- JackRabbit
  
  Maggy,
  
  It’s a rhetorical question, aye.
  
  No-one knows specifically where the money paid into scams go, but generically it is to the scammers.
  
  So to find the scammers, we just identify who are the slippery slick snake oil salesmen, selling the scam / snake oil / climate change…
  
  And in any case, DEI Oxfam itself is alleged to be a front organisation for laundering donations, just like Unions, Greenpeace and other lefty organisations, where the bulk of donations fund the organisation not the charities.
  
  Oxfam has been in the media for years over revelations of money laundering, prostitution in Haiti, and other illicit activities, as well as various officials stealing funds.
  
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  October 26, 2024 10:33am
- gravedodger
  
  I don’t Know Maggy, I asked My MP Ms Adams where did the Paris accord money actually end up, she declined to answer and directed my question to Grossern who sent me pages of gobbly gook in many pages that I needed an interpreter to get an answer from.
  They evidently know best and the voters will not understand anyway.
  
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  October 26, 2024 11:10am
kevn

A winning strategy //
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/10/25/landlords-and-savers-slam-starmer-after-he-suggests-they-dont-count-as-working-people-and-will-be-hit-with-tax-hikes/
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October 26, 2024 9:49am
- AitchW
  
  Hipkins will be feverishly copying Starmer’s policy.
  
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  October 26, 2024 10:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Let him eat cake
    
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    October 26, 2024 12:45pm
    - AitchW
      
      Not sausage rolls, G?
      
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      October 26, 2024 4:31pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Nope, he would charge the tax payer for tomato sauce
        
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        October 26, 2024 7:42pm
  - Colville
    
    Hipkins is certainly copying Starmers popularity!
    
    (or is that the other way around?) 🙂
    
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    October 26, 2024 1:51pm
- Handyman
  
  Tax and appropriate private property of kulaks is standard policy for left wing governments.
  Does “Starmer” translate to “Stalin” in Russian?
  
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  October 26, 2024 11:50am
  - Mike
    
    Stalin is actually a Georgian word for handyman.
    
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    October 26, 2024 1:19pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Man of Steel was the official translation.
      
      Obviously got that one wrong. Man of Steal was more accurate. In his pre-Communist days he was a bank robber; later, he stole an entire empire, not to mention Eastern Europe.
      
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      October 26, 2024 2:26pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Rubbish…
      
      Stalin is formed from the Russian word for steel – stal (сталь)
      
      Hence the name Stalin was meant to signify something like “man of steel”
      
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      October 26, 2024 2:29pm
      - Mike
        
        LOL
        
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        October 26, 2024 2:53pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili didn’t adopt the nom de guerre of Stalin until he was in his 30’s
      
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      October 27, 2024 1:05am
oldpark

Noticed in todays Wellington Post almost ONE THIRD IS TAKEN UP BY Harvey Norman advertising .At $5.00 per paper. Stuff must be desperate for money .
Clipping the ticket twice. One from Harvey Norman plus a subtle gouge of anyone who buys their Saturday Paper . Just Saying .
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October 26, 2024 10:02am
- peterwn
  
  Harvey Norman obviously consider it was advertising dollars well spent. If an advertiser chooses to place lots of advertising and there is printing and delivery capacity available then why should a newspaper proprietor turn down the opportunity (leaving aside political as distinct from commercial advertising).
  
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  October 26, 2024 10:48am
- Paulus
  
  I believe that BOP Times (an NZME) is now to be renamed as Harvey Norman Times with over half being their paid for advertisments again.
  I do not wish to finance HN as they or NZME are on the road to oblivion.
  
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  October 26, 2024 10:55am
Inandout

Come Tuesday, come the day of reckoning for TVNZ. A start would be trimming salaries to a level equal to viewership and then shedding staff. The number of NZ viewers are a small fraction of the population.
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October 26, 2024 10:37am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I disagree with you. I heard a politician (I don’t listen to left wing politicians) say that TVNZ’s audience of voters is still very large.
  I found that fact quite dismaying.
  
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  October 26, 2024 12:15pm
  - MCōs
    
    About 10% of the population over the age of five watches TVONE news. I’m guessing, but I’d say most of them would be in the older demographic where opinions are less malleable
    
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    October 26, 2024 12:36pm
  - Swifty
    
    Please define ‘large’.
    
    Large compared to their audience share of even 20 or 30 years ago?
    
    Not even close.
    
    Their audience is rapidly aging and diminishing.
    
    My late-teenage and early 20s kids never watch it except when visiting their grandparents – with the sole exception of the odd series which they watch ‘on demand’ and is generally an overseas-produced effort, nothing to do with NZ.
    
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    October 26, 2024 12:40pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “ A start would be trimming salaries to a level equal to viewership ”
  
  Equating salaries with that of their viewership would mean salaries would have to align with Super, and I think that’s below the minimum wage.
  
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  October 26, 2024 2:29pm
Ghost

Jamie Dimon typically pays close attention to the workings of financial markets and the Federal Reserve, but today his most important concern is geopolitics.

“The risk is extraordinary,” he said. “World War III has already begun. You already have battles on the ground being coordinated in multiple countries.

Article

Or has it been going on for longer than we know, but as more of a cyber War.

War, climate change, covid….. solar flare
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October 26, 2024 10:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

United States is the garbage can for the World.
Illegals from 181 Countries.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-compares-united-states-to-garbage-can-for-the-world/ar-AA1sVqhi?
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October 26, 2024 11:00am
- Mike
  
  Has accepted riffraff from all over since the 16th century. Even let in draft-dodging Germans in the 19th century.
  
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  October 26, 2024 1:23pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    No comparison. Typical loony-lefty false equivalence stunt.
    
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    October 26, 2024 7:15pm
- Colville
  
  USA’s economy would collapse without the illegals doing the grunt work.
  
  With re-shoring of manufacturing jobs there is a lot to do and few to do it, the have the advantage of energy and infrastructure… it could be quite rosy for USA in the years to come.
  
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  October 26, 2024 2:01pm
SpencerArnold

With the rather fractious issue of Maori Wards coming up on next years local body elections, I would be curious to know what protections are in place to ensure no fraud or intimidation takes place on the postal vote.

Will the dead arise and vote with the left? Will protests outside offices prevent ballot boxes being delivered?
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October 26, 2024 11:16am
Chuck Bird

Liam Lawson is doing well in practice.
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October 26, 2024 11:18am
Swifty

Interesting that every time Stuff runs to Pat Newman for his thoughts on the latest Coalition thought or action, they consistently lack the integrity to mention he is a long-standing Labour supporter and Labour candidate for political office!

I take it now that it’s deliberate. They’re deliberately hiding the fact that he’s a Labour hardliner and are deliberately misleading readers that he is a mere school principal concerned solely for his students.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360459665/nutrition-and-food-safety-concerns-after-new-cheaper-free-school-lunch-menu

They know damn well of his background, it’s been pointed out to them time after time.

They’ve even written articles on him and his political aspirations themselves!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/northland/whangarei-leader/4372485/Pats-hat-is-in-the-ring?videoId=6327063343112

Stuff you suck. I hope you go bankrupt.

Soon.
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October 26, 2024 11:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

AOC.

Trump is scared.
Elon is scared.
JD Vance is scared.

https://x.com/AOC/status/1848775715711324272?
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October 26, 2024 12:15pm
- Swifty
  
  What a waste of space that woman is.
  
  She’s just totally empty.
  
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  October 26, 2024 12:35pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    AOC got the role through an auditioning process (not joking) – applications in her democrat congressional district had to submit audition tapes and she was selected on the basis of her looks and ability to emote for the camera, not her brains or other skills (she was a bar worker)
    
    As superficial as it is possible to get in US politics, and yet elevated to a leading role by vapid media. Just like Ardern.
    
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    October 26, 2024 4:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jacinda mk2 – but learning
    
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    October 26, 2024 6:25pm
- RightNow
  
  Frankly I also find her scary.
  
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  October 26, 2024 1:16pm
John Loveridge

Another one going for the Golriz Ghahraman defence:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rugby-players-career-at-risk-after-high-court-dismisses-sex-video-conviction-appeal/ULE6AEZ3UJBR7HCVNFSMJWF7FQ/

Should have thought about that before acting like a scrote.
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October 26, 2024 12:31pm
NothingLeft

Israel hitting Iran now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDAXVVgsUIE

Be nice if the Mullahs lost power, but no real chance of that.
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October 26, 2024 12:44pm
kevn

SteveO…. and AOC is ?
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October 26, 2024 12:52pm
- Don Beckett
  
  AOC is one of the many brain dead Democrat Congress people.
  – so of course she is correct – we must heed her word. //
  
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  October 26, 2024 1:04pm
- RightNow
  
  Alexandria Occasional Cortex
  
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  October 26, 2024 1:18pm
  - Inandout
    
    RN, if AOC was a dog she would be a Pekingese. I must add the dog would have more intelligence.
    
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    October 26, 2024 2:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not that good, LOL!
    
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    October 26, 2024 6:26pm
Ghost

Social media are reporting explosions in Tehran and Karaj

The Israeli military launched strikes early Saturday (local time) on military targets in Iran, officials said.

It wasn’t immediately clear what the targets were. Iranian state media reported the sound of explosions around Iran’s capital, Tehran, without immediately elaborating.

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October 26, 2024 1:05pm
- mandk
  
  I wish the IDF success and God’s speed.
  
  The evil Iranian theocracy needs to be crushed.
  
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  October 26, 2024 1:16pm
  - Mike
    
    Seeing both sides worship the same imaginary deity, I expect only laughter from Jehovah/God/Allah/Satan.
    
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    October 26, 2024 2:00pm
    - mandk
      
      You are mistaken, Mike.
      
      Islam teaches that God had no son. And the Jesus in the Koran is not the same as Jesus in the Bible.
      
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      October 26, 2024 2:35pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Most of Islam was clearly adapted from Jewish Christian (and Zoroastrian) sources – Illiterate Mohammed having heard the stories dictated his own spin on them making himself the star. He started out with a get-along-with-everyone attitude, but then shifted gear into kill-them-all murderously dictatorial imperiousness once he had established a significant supporter base. And the world has been paying the price for his martial success ever since.
        
        So we have a trail of religious schism via prophets Zoroastrians=>Judaism=>Christianity=>Islam (Sunni,/Shia) =>Bahai
        
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        October 26, 2024 4:18pm
- All_on_Red
  
  More detail here
  https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/10/25/new-israel-launches-retaliatory-strikes-on-iran-n3796309
  Note this; ‘Ahead of the strikes, Iran told Arab officials that Tehran doesn’t want a wider war and wouldn’t seek to retaliate to strikes against military and government targets.
  
  Should Israel attack its strategic oil and nuclear sites, which Israel has said it won’t do, Iran has told Arab neighbors it would be forced to respond.’
  
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  October 26, 2024 1:18pm
- Ghost
  
  IDF confirm the attack is over. Tasnim News Is reporting that Iranian Officials have stated they are preparing a Response
  
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  October 26, 2024 5:23pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    They always make a lot of noise and issue apocalyptic threats… then nothing.
    
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    October 26, 2024 5:42pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360464635/luxon-and-peters-announce-20m-pacific-disaster-and-climate-resilience
Why can’t the world’s largest Pacific Island population
( i.e. the one in Auckland ) front up with this money to support their own people ?
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October 26, 2024 4:58pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Investment? Hahaha.
  
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  October 26, 2024 5:43pm
info@cruzpro.com

I have a question.

Why can’t you respond to some posts with only ‘Report’ available as an option?

[Mod – it happens when a thread has reached its limit in replies. Go up in the replies to where there is a reply button and use that]
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- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Thank you for that quick, simple answer.
  
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  October 26, 2024 6:06pm
Dougal10

Should victims and families of victims that aren’t kept safe while using public transport be able to sue the entities that run public transport. Maybe even the employees and directors of these transport entities, that are actively removing the simplicity and safety of private car use and forcing people onto dangerous unsafe public transport.
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October 26, 2024 5:52pm
- Mike
  
  No
  
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  October 26, 2024 6:10pm
  - AitchW
    
    Why not?
    
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    October 26, 2024 6:40pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Public transport is an article of faith with rusted on lefties. Even when causing horrendous losses to the taxpayer and failing on multiple levels (including passenger safety).
      
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      October 26, 2024 7:18pm
    - fernglas
      
      ACC
      
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      October 26, 2024 8:53pm
      - Dougal10
        
        I don’t think we can afford acc anymore , less and less people paying more and more for a socialized insurance scheme which effectively safe guards poor civil service decision making .
        
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        October 27, 2024 7:21am
  - Dougal10
    
    If not how will public transport ever be made safer for the passengers(clients if you work in providing these services) if the drivers are to be made safe (locked away in a cabin ) surely the passengers must be made safe as well. After all the ratepayer who pays much of these costs would have a reasonable expectation of safety to be provided by the supplier of the service which in most cases are regional council employees.
    
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    October 26, 2024 8:56pm
    - Ghost
      
      There is one person and only one person responsible for the murder and he was arrested.
      
      Life has risks. You get on public transport you face risks. You get in a Car, you face risks. Walking down the road you can be attacked, hit by a vehicle, trip on the footpath, etc. The last thing we need is to fall into the usa trap of suing.
      
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      October 26, 2024 9:07pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “You get in a Car, you face risks. Walking down the road you can be attacked, hit by a vehicle, trip on the footpath, etc. ”
        
        You vote Labour, Greens or TPM and the risk of being a victim of violence increases significantly. Incentivising lawlessness does that.
        
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        October 27, 2024 8:24pm
- greybeard
  
  If you don’t use public transport and you walk or cycle everywhere, and some scrote bashes you , or worse, who would you blame?
  Why is the method of transport held up as the problem ?
  The problem is that ferals commit crimes and get away with it, instead of being put away permanently.
  
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  October 26, 2024 7:31pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Bring back mental institutions and decent consequences for violence. Until that is restored employ well trained and armed heavies to keep the ferals under control on public transport (and elsewhere). Sad that it has come to this in NZ.
    
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    October 26, 2024 8:23pm
Tauhei Notts

That Santner is very good.
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