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peterwn

Seems Facebook does not care less about people being ripped off by scam advertisments. Recently I lodged complaints via Facebook’s complaints link concerning Harvey Norman allegedly offering computers, phones, etc for $3. Also the one with Chris Luxon allegedly supporting a phony investment deal. I got a response back saying Facebook is not taking the advertisements down (it did not state which ad was referred to).
Now a little old lady lost $224K through a fake ‘Chris Luxon’ ad (admittedly the one she saw could have been on a ‘channel’ other than Facebook). Now Facebook should be exercising social responsibility in such matters. Unfortunately the logistics of trying to sue Facebook for the $224K is just too difficult so Facebook etc just flips the bird to genuine complaints.
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October 21, 2024 8:00am
- artemisia
  
  Scammers have been successfully scamming since time immemorial. Even before the interweb was a thing, hard to believe I know! Even disregarding commonsense and ability to comprehend, there are more checks, balances and warnings now than there have ever been.
  
  Can’t save everyone.
  
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  October 21, 2024 8:11am
  - David Garrett
    
    art: Excluding the elderly – many of whom have little understanding of online stuff, and may also be somewhat befuddled by age – I think the old maxim “there is no cure for stupid” often applies here.
    
    Literally every couple of days I receive scam emails which are clearly bullshit – very dodgy email addresses supposedly from a bank for example, or poor English usage are two of the obvious pointers. As is the “you have an undelivered parcel” scam. Recently I have been getting messages supposedly from Spotify to “fix up” my account – an account I don’t have.
    
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    October 21, 2024 9:13am
    - pdm
      
      DG – not to mention bank accounts that are `out of order’ and require a prompt payment. Banks we have never had accounts with.
      
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      October 21, 2024 9:44am
    - Michael Johnston
      
      Scammers who prey on old people disgust me. I occasionally get a call from scammers claiming to be Microsoft and saying they need to get access to my computer to fix a security issue. I consider it worth the investment of time to string them along, pretending to be elderly and not au fait with technology. I make them repeat every instruction five times, and mess them around until their tempers start to fray. At that point I tell them that I know they are criminals and that I consider them human garbage, before abruptly ending the call.
      
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      October 21, 2024 9:46am
      - sirknz
        
        Had an Indian lass I worked with some years ago tell the ‘Microsoft support team’ some very choice words in Hindi when they called her to gain access to her computer. What she translated for us after the fact was more than enough to make a sailor blush.
        
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        October 21, 2024 10:21am
      - David Garrett
        
        MJ: Yes…i have also had some sport with Indian scammers who can barely speak English yet have nice reassuring names like Bruce…
        
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        October 21, 2024 10:23am
      - Paulus
        
        Even my wife tells them to Foxtrot Oscar immediately.
        And she is over 80 – shhhh !
        
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        October 21, 2024 10:26am
      - pdm
        
        MJ – we use a whistle for those crooks.
        
        Probably pushing our luck to say we haven’t had such a call for months.
        
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        October 21, 2024 10:29am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Hubby tried this stringing the scammers along…and I told him to stop it as the phone scammers are practising/perfecting their English pronunciation with you.
        
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        October 21, 2024 10:53am
      - Ghost
        
        I once asked an Indian scammer if they considered the karma they would get for stealing from people. Guy swore his head off at me and hung up
        
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        October 21, 2024 11:12am
      - Michael Sommerville
        
        I had one Indian fellow who I strung along for a little while. I asked him if his mother knew what he was doing and the conversation ended abruptly. I had a quiet laugh.
        
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        October 21, 2024 1:11pm
      - O C Smith
        
        I do the same but always finish by asking them where the were on March 15 1971 saying it was a Monday. Then casually mention that was my first day of my IT career, sometimes I get to ask “now where were we?”.
        
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        October 21, 2024 3:04pm
    - Klondike
      
      AI will be making these scams a lot more believable and hard to spot. Obvious tells will no longer be there and the responses will be automated until they have caught a fish.
      
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      October 21, 2024 10:26am
      - ISeeRed
        
        AI can convincingly clone voices now. Imagine a poor pensioner scammed by who they thought was their trusted son or daughter?
        
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        October 21, 2024 11:55am
- sherp
  
  I just find it weird that these ads are designed for people in NZ yet NZ govt doesn’t collect any ad revenue from ads targeted towards NZ ip addresses…. but the government is still considering taxing such companies for sharing news articles…. how about tax them for advertising in NZ then NZ advertising laws also apply.
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:22am
- Ghost
  
  If a little old lady gave someone $224k, then she was an idiot
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/531353/pensioner-loses-224k-after-being-tricked-by-ai-deepfake-christopher-luxon-cryptocurrency-investment-scam
  
  Sorry, but she is an idiot and shouldn’t have access to her bank accounts.
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:28am
  - bennerg
    
    Ghost, the problem is that we (well the older generations anyway) have had a culture of trust in institutions, whether that be the media, what’s written in front of you on your computer, banks, lawyers etc.
    
    I would have thought that banks could easily set up a simple verification centre, so before anyone transfers anything over say $20K overseas etc, if they want an independent verfication that this is not a fraud, then you call them. Or the first time you try they insist on it …..
    
    If you don’t use it, then the Bank has no liability. I would have thought that was a no brainer for them.
    
    There are lot’s of little of ladies (widows) left on their own trying to navigate this difficult world. So idiot is not the word – just naive.
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:49am
    - Ghost
      
      No. My 86 year old father has never trusted the scammers, phone or internet. Sorry but if you want to believe the prime minister will advice you on how to invest your money, then your family should have control of your finances. For two decades at least the media, fair go have reported on scams.
      
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      October 21, 2024 11:16am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        You realise young and bright staff of large tech-companies have been scammed AT WORK by social engineering scams? This has at times involved large data breaches.
        
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        October 21, 2024 3:26pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah. But I doubt they would fall for this scam. It’s very obvious a scam.
        
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        October 21, 2024 4:41pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      Not Fair We were brought up to trust. A painter asked my aged mother for cash to paint the roof…….
      
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      October 21, 2024 11:54am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The TSB did query the transfers…
      
      The Lady lied to the bank and said the money was needed for “family matters”
      
      TSB told the Herald Creasy had authorised each transaction. When queried about her using term deposit funds, Creasy told staff the money was needed for a “family matter”.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/531353/pensioner-loses-224k-after-being-tricked-by-ai-deepfake-christopher-luxon-cryptocurrency-investment-scam
      
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      October 21, 2024 1:02pm
    - Local Miller
      
      I had signing power on my mother’s investments here in NZ and due to ill health decided to close her accounts and distribute the money between her 5 children, 3 in NZ and 2 in SA. As the only person in NZ who had signing power I had to arrange the transfer since they were all in the NZ$100,000 range. For EVERY one of these I was asked REPEATEDLY if I knew the other party and was satisfied that this wasn’t a scam. An one of them was into my own bank account.
      I think the banks go to a lot of trouble trying to protect people, partly to protect themselves. But as some once said: You can’t make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious!
      
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      October 21, 2024 1:40pm
  - peterwn
    
    It is not as simple as that. Who decides whether someone should be denied access to their bank accounts. And in early stages of dementia relatives or others may not notice that there is an issue so they can persuade the person to take precautions such as rearranging finances to minimise problems. And even some professionals can be pretty useless.
    There was a recent case where a second wife got her elderly husband (who was losing mental capacity) to make a new will in her favour which cut out his children from his first marriage. An accountant prepared the well and the husband was taken to the office to sign it. Frankly the accountant should have smelt a rat and refused to allow the husband to execute it. Fortunately the children knew something was not right when dad died and successfully challenged the will which meant his previous will took effect.
    So there are perils all over the place.
    
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    October 21, 2024 11:00am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Inflammatory words from Auckland University medical activists.

“ It’s important to note that it’s not ethnicity itself that leads to poor health. It’s because racism and marginalisation are so strongly distributed along ethnic lines in New Zealand, which makes ethnicity such a strong predictor of need.”

Loring points out the statistics are there no matter where we look – lower Māori life expectancy, higher health need, lower access to services, lower immunisation and poorer health outcomes.

“For example, ethnicity is the strongest marker of avoidable death, even after adjusting for deprivation or rurality. And if we look at those people living in high deprivation areas, Māori will have poorer outcomes than non-Māori.

“People are not turning up to health services with equal levels of need. And they’re not being treated equally. And they’re certainly not receiving equal outcomes, based on ethnicity.”

I have no doubt that these academics are correct in their statistics, but they are completely incorrect in attributing the blame to racism (and I really resent being called a racist).

Let’s face it. As a group, Maoris make poorer decisions than other New Zealanders. They are over represented in car crashes late at night, in gang violence & other bad outcomes from dumb behaviour. They have larger families that they cannot afford to feed and house adequately. They smoke more than others. As these academic activists themselves acknowledge, they don’t turn up to health appointments, don’t get immunised etc.

The reality, as a group, is that they do it to themselves.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/531368/government-s-colourblind-directive-an-attack-on-science-and-public-health-advice-expert
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October 21, 2024 8:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Once upon a time, an analysis would have been conducted along socio-economic lines…and these researchers would have discovered that folks living in the poorer areas of a town often suffered poor housing, poor transport options, lousy education, poor health options, frequent exposure to theft and violence…..and surprise, surprise, comprised pakeha, polynesians, asians, new migrants, as well as maori .
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:35am
  - Burtland
    
    yeah but analysis is racist //
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:02am
    - sirknz
      
      Noticing patterns is racist…
      
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      October 21, 2024 10:30am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Nobody is looking for the truth Maggy or indeed solutions. They are interpreting stats to bolster their political agendas.
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:09am
  - PurplePen
    
    Except they do say this “if we look at those people living in high deprivation areas, Māori will have poorer outcomes than non-Māori”.
    
    Why that is the case, don’t know. But to just leap to the reason being systemic racism is lazy. There might be other reasons. What about the Maori in high deprivation areas that don’t have poorer outcomes. It would make sense for their research to delve into that. And what about Maori in different regions. Maybe there’s a link between tribe and poorer outcomes in which case the source of the problem might be the tribal leaders. Just making this up here.
    
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    October 21, 2024 2:25pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      A significant sub-culture of aspiring to be a gangster (real or wannabe), drug dealer or an uneducated loafer probably doesn’t help either.
      
      Can culture be chosen? Sure can.
      
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      October 21, 2024 3:35pm
- Jack5
  
  Ethnicity affects some health conditions. Both from genetic predisposition to some diseases, and from ethnic diet and habits like smoking.
  
  White New Zealanders suffer more from skin cancer. This is because of their white skins and the country’s sunshine. As Maori become paler from intermarriage they will catch up.
  
  In food, it can take centuries to develop group lactose tolerance for cow milk. Also, I understand that a higher incidence of gout among Maori is probably because they eat more shellfish.
  
  Also Maori and ethnic Pacific Islanders smoke more than White and Asian New Zealanders. But the most obvious effect is overweight from poor transition to European food.
  
  Even Asians can have weight problems when they move to Western countries (link below).
  
  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10108164/
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:52am
  - Burtland
    
    the gout rort ….
    
    https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2021/07/effi-lincoln-gout-and-treaty-driven.html#more
    
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    October 21, 2024 5:07pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  An academic should understand that correlation is not the same as causation.
  
  But the left is committed to the idea that a person’s previous poor choices should in no way cause us to hold them responsible for their present situation. Their entire ideology depends on it.
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:55am
- Paulus
  
  Maori are Pacific Islanders and as such over many generations there has been continuous, due to low numbers of them, intermarriage and these continuous births are known as Sanguinity (like Muslims worldwide as an example).
  Intermarriage has been well identified over hundreds of years whence some hereditory factors which continue to emerge.
  Would you buy a pet dog without checking its pedigree ?
  Look at the UK Royal family in the 1800s (after the ??mad George 111) they went to Germany to correct possible the blood lines for the event, Queen Victoia who married Prince Albert of Sax Coberg-Gotha to try and correct hereditory problems.
  Late Queen married Philip, of Greek Royal family.
  I make no other assumptions here though.
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:40am
  - Bridgenag
    
    15 generations to breed out the violence apparently
    
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    October 21, 2024 12:23pm
- wsk12345
  
  I would hate to be Maori now. I have wonderful neighbours who are Maori. And yes they are clearly Maori to look at, one kid is in immersion school, others have other abilities are are in mainstream. Super nice people, kids are friendly and polite, adults have done well for themselves, are in great health (except one who got a jab injury to his heart), have good jobs, self reliant etc etc. Must suck to be constantly told you will come to nothing, that everyone hates you/your race .
  
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  October 21, 2024 1:18pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Must also suck to be told that you’re so useless that you can only achieve if a special category is created for you.
    
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    October 21, 2024 8:53pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “It’s because racism and marginalisation are so strongly distributed along ethnic lines in New Zealand”
  
  The big lie that all this drivel hinges on. And they provide no evidence of this being the case.
  
  Everyone I know in NZ want Maori to lift their eyes, get educated/trained and use that education/training to get ahead just like everyone else in NZ.
  
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  October 21, 2024 5:12pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Tory Whanau’s plan to destroy Wellington nightlife.

O, the irony!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350447928/looming-roadworks-could-destroy-wellington-hotspot-hospo-bosses-say
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October 21, 2024 8:05am
- Swifty
  
  Tory had a lovely dinner out last night at the banquet celebrating the 75th anniversary of the Seyip Association in Wellington.
  
  Harry Tam was there too!
  
  A lovely feed had by all.
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:50am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Council are going ahead with $42,000,000 fit out of their new leased waterfront offices.
    
    Bear in mind that their new offices are currently offices.
    
    I’m not sure how you would spend $42,000,000 converting offices to….. offices!
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:59am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Sickening, isn’t it? Councils up and down the country are out of control. What’s National proposing to do about it?
      
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      October 21, 2024 12:02pm
      - Paulus
        
        By Councils do not include Councillors
        – Councils are run and controlled by the Executives and their Whanau and loby groups (say Developers)
        Remember all staff only have one boss the CEO, not the Mayor who has one vote anyway, and the Councillors.
        
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        October 21, 2024 3:04pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      On the waterfront? But but but – rising sea levels!
      
      Surely they should be buying the old Training College campus and move to Karori.
      
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      October 21, 2024 12:27pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      Well, the Council will have to pay a koha to its local kaumatua, to purchase the right to use the name he has “gifted” to the organisation. Naturally it comes at great cost to the ratepayer and it confirms the high esteem in which the council holds the kaumatua (but not the ratepayer).
      
      Said kaumatua will rack his brains to come up with a story from the local tribe from which he can parlay into a name for a meeting room. Hey presto: the Bob Smith Memorial Room or Room 3.17 magically becomes a long Maori word which will mean something like “the gentle bend in the river where we fought the tribe over the hill.”
      
      Note the “kaumatua” will be an older Maori man who used to have an actual job within the Council but from late 2017 was asked to drop the job in exchange for the new ceremonial role, and they employed three new back office staff to cover for him.
      
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      October 21, 2024 12:46pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    Was she out late on a school night? Is this the real reason she needs little naps during the day?
    
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    October 21, 2024 12:49pm
cmm

A credible looking leak of Israeli plans by somebody in the US Federal government.

Hmmm, Israel must surely be learning by now that USA is collapsing and is a security nightmare.

Perhaps they’re using this as a way to smoke out the leaks or feed false info.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360457814/israels-plan-launch-air-attack-iran-leaked
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October 21, 2024 8:06am
- All_on_Red
  
  Obama and then Biden lurve the Iranians. They have many on their staff. Many Iranians are also actively lobbying the Whitehouse.
  And despite the below article, there still are.
  https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/iran-spy-ring-robert-malley-lee-smith
  
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  October 21, 2024 8:26am
- john1234
  
  How do we know the leak came from the US govt? That intel is shared with 5Eyes so could have come from any of USA, Canada, UK, Australia and NZ?
  
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  October 21, 2024 8:58am
  - cmm
    
    I would think that Israel has a huge distrust of 5 eyes unless they fully trust NZ and Canada.
    
    I can’t see Israel providing accurate info to either of those.
    
    Why would they do so? What is in it for them?
    
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    October 21, 2024 11:24am
- mandk
  
  Could this be a deception by the Israelis to throw the Iranians off the scent?
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:07am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Its Amercian intel based on satellite imagery… I.e. its not what Israel has told them, its USA security orgs own sourcing of data and analysis….
    
    But it explains why Israel is not keen on telling the Americans much about their battle planning….
    
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    October 21, 2024 11:05am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, as I said, it would be a good way to feed false info.
    
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    October 21, 2024 11:22am
  - Jake Dee
    
    Certainly could be. did you ever hear about “Operation Mincemeat”? One of the cleverer intelligence ops of WWII
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mincemeat
    
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    October 21, 2024 8:23pm
- John Loveridge
  
  I guess this is why the US wasn’t told anything about the pagers.
  
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  October 21, 2024 12:50pm
Bridgenag

Sky Australia

Sky News host Erin Molan said a group of “trainees and reservists” took out Hamas’ leader Yahya Sinwar.

“He died as he lived, a coward – cowering in the shadows, hiding in buildings bombed off the back of his terror raid,” Ms Molan said. …

https://youtu.be/NaZkEkFwmEY?si=NAZtgdv3kvnLQnyr
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October 21, 2024 8:06am
- cmm
  
  I don’t believe for a moment they would be sending trainees on a mission like this.
  Reservists, yes. Reservists are regularly called up and are fully functional soldiers.
  
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  October 21, 2024 8:29am
  - Dr John
    
    Erin’s father was Australian Army Major General Jim Molan.
    Erin grew up in a military environment. If she says that ‘trainees’ were involved, then I believe her.
    
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    October 21, 2024 9:40am
    - gravedodger
      
      agree Dr I believe it was more chance than planned the trip to virgin islands was arranged for Sinwar
      
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      October 21, 2024 10:30am
    - cmm
      
      My father was a lawyer.
      I urge you to not rely on me for legal advice.
      I would urge you to not take military opinions from the daughter of a Major General.
      
      It would make absolutely zero sense for trainees to be sent on any operation. Trainees don’t know how to follow commands yet and certainly not the maneuvers etc required in a military operation.
      
      This not only makes them unlikely to succeed, but also increases their chance of being killed. That’s a huge waste of resources.
      
      I have not been in the Israeli Army. I was however in the South African Army.
      
      Trainees might do a bit of guard duty, but that is all. South African soldiers will have at least 6 to 9 months training before they go into any conflict situation – even the most lowly private.
      
      The only way I can see that these could possibly be “trainees” was if they were experienced troops (ie. already trained troops) who were pulled out of re-training.
      
      That would be a common thing to do, especially for reservists having a refresher/re-training.
      
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      October 21, 2024 11:33am
      - Jake Dee
        
        You don’t know what the Hebrew word that the IDF used that got translated to us as “trainee”.
        
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        October 21, 2024 11:10pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      Daughter of a Major General and growing up in a military environment are no guarantees against bias, being tricked and just getting things wrong.
      there are many ways people can spread false or misleading information. Actively lying is just one of them.
      
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      October 21, 2024 11:09pm
  - rockape
    
    I understand they were taken out by the unit that trains, not the trainees. Most training units have a front line war roll. That includes the one I commanded.
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:29am
    - cmm
      
      That would make sense.
      
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      October 21, 2024 11:35am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Apparently it was a unit of Reserve Combat Soldiers
      ‘A unit of reserve combat soldiers in Rafah attempting to blow up a missile that failed to explode fired upon a group of four armed men, according to the official. They also fired upon a fifth person who was throwing grenades out the window of a nearby building at the soldiers, according to the official. (after sending a drone in to look) The soldiers directed tank fire and a missile at the building, though the man was still alive, the official said. A sniper in the unit then fired upon him, the official said.’
      https://abcnews.go.com/International/idf-checking-possibility-hamas-leader-yahya-sinwar-killed/story?id=114888233
      Drone footage in this link
      https://abcnews.go.com/International/idf-checking-possibility-hamas-leader-yahya-sinwar-killed/story?id=114888233
      
      An of course the icing on the cake is that one of his Bodyguards was a Teacher with UNRWA!
      
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      October 21, 2024 2:23pm
- MCōs
  
  History is written by the victors who have no interest in portraying these terrorist leaders as having an heroic death like the defenders of the Alamo or whatever
  The enemy always die like cowards, but not our own fighting against overwhelming odds.
  
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  October 21, 2024 12:46pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Rubbish. There are any number of enemy deaths that have been held as heroic by their enemies – Hannibal for example – although it seems more a Western trait.
    
    By contrast getting your minions to deliberately kill woman and kids while you hide in a tunnel is a very good definition of cowardice – and evil cowardice to boot.
    
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    October 21, 2024 1:10pm
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: Reason Versus Treason
“The government would never do that!”

Complicity Theorist
(noun) A person who accepts the political narrative of the day
unquestionably;
consumes mainstream media like it was 1980; and is prone to submissiveness, outbursts of irrational fear, and public shaming of
free-thinkers.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-reason-versus-treason?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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October 21, 2024 8:08am
Scott

My opinion of the 2020 presidential election was there was a lot of cheating, by democrats, on an industrial scale. No way did Biden, hiding in the basement, get 81 million votes.

Now the same playbook is being run in 2024.
Ballots, which should be treated like money, are already being left unsecured.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/10/here-we-go-again-7.php

Boxes of ballots, out in the open, left unattended.
And despite the protestations of some commenters on this blog, the drive to allow illegal aliens to vote is well underway. The Dept of justice is doing its best in Florida to get illegal aliens voting. Why? It’s the very reason Joe Biden opened up the border. Millions and millions of illegal aliens who they know would vote democrat if they are allowed to vote.

“Florida authorities on Oct. 16 sued the U.S. government, alleging that U.S. officials are illegally refusing to cooperate with Florida’s effort to remove noncitizens from its voter rolls.”

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/10/doj-goes-to-bat-for-illegal-voting.php

Let’s face it. The democrats cheated in 2020 and are determined to cheat again. They don’t care. They just want the power. Nothing else matters to them.
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October 21, 2024 8:09am
- Mike
  
  Well, faced with that, I guess Elon Musk has no choice but to openly purchase votes. By the time the law catches up with him the election will be well over, and if his preferred candidate wins any investigation will go away.
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:37am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Yes, shutting down the investigation into Musk is on page 1 of the “Project 2025” document. Haven’t you read it Mike?
    
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    October 21, 2024 12:30pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  As Andrew McCarthy, no great friend of Trump, wrote in NRO the other day:
  
  There is only one rational explanation for this ill-conceived exercise of prosecutorial discretion against the United States citizens of Virginia and on behalf of illegal aliens: The Biden-Harris administration is trying to influence the outcome of the election by enabling illegal aliens to vote. The expectation that illegal aliens will vote for Democrats and transform closely divided states into Democratic strongholds also helps explain why Biden and Harris dismantled American border security.
  
  Ironically this means that Garland and other officials could be indicted in the same way they’ve gone after Trump on this issue. The following is also a tough statement from a former DOJ prosecutor who handled the 1995 prosecution against Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman and eleven others for the first Trade Center terrorist attacks.
  
  Understand: The Biden-Harris administration, led as ever by U.S. history’s most politicized Justice Department, is now doing the very thing it has indicted Donald Trump for doing — and for which it would have him imprisoned for up to ten years. That is, it is conspiring to injure the people of a state, Virginia in this instance, in the enjoyment of their right to vote. That’s a felony violation of the civil-rights laws (§241), at least according to the indictment Biden-Harris DOJ special counsel Jack Smith has brought.
  
  Sadly, despite all the screaming, I doubt Trump will do this if he’s elected President, just as he let Hillary skate.
  
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  October 21, 2024 12:23pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    To quote Eminem. “I was playin’ in the beginnin’, the mood all changed
    I been chewed up and spit out and booed off stage”
    
    I think there is wide recognition now of just haw far US political norms and freedoms have been debased and abused by Democrats in their win at any cost efforts of last decade. Trump’s second term, having been maliciously targeted by deep state for last 8 years, and now likely aided by Republican Senate control and perhaps Congress too is going to be a different animal to his first. He has a lot more competent and motivated outsiders in his cabinet too.
    
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    October 21, 2024 1:00pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Uneasy lies the head that wears a tinfoil hat
  
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  October 21, 2024 1:28pm
  - Mike
    
    It’s increasingly hard to tell which politicians believe the lies they spew, and which are simply cynically generating or recycling bullshit for partisan advantage. Same goes for the voters who believe, or pretend to believe, the lies.
    
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    October 21, 2024 4:16pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      A post on a blog describing a bunch of ballot boxes being left unattended morphs into “cheating, by democrats, on an industrial scale”, with no more hard evidence to back up his claim than “I reckon”.
      
      [Mod – debate without making it personal].
      
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      October 21, 2024 8:58pm
      - Hard Cheese
        
        Fair enough, my apologies.
        
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        October 22, 2024 5:22am
Matt Long

US Customs and Border Control bring the government work ethic and efficiency to Hurricane Relief.
I believe this is a promotional video, and not satire.
https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1847397699609297309
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October 21, 2024 8:14am
- Conservatarian
  
  14 federal employees to move a small log onto a pile of sticks and other logs (in the surrounds of a pleasant-looking suburban neighbourhood).
  
  Sounds about right.
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:14am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Most of then standing there doing nothing until the next log arrives. Limited by the speed of the chainsaw.
  
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  October 21, 2024 11:38am
  - OlderChas
    
    And didn’t they all look clean and immaculate!
    
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    October 21, 2024 1:17pm
Matt Long

Kamala shares with Jacinda unverified accounts of abusive behaviour, and verified accounts of high staff turnover.
https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1847346010357714957
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October 21, 2024 8:18am
- cmm
  
  I don’t believe it.
  
  I don’t think Kamala could keep anything up for 30 minutes other than waffling about being middle class.
  
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  October 21, 2024 8:24am
Yvette

Kotahitanga – Unity?
South Island iwi Ngāi Tahu is preparing to to host this year’s third hui-ā-motu (national hui), Te Pūnuiotoka, at Tuahiwi Marae, not far from Christchurch, on October 22.
Te Rūnanga o Ngāi Tahu kaiwhakahaere Justin Tipa said the hui would continue the conversation around kotahitanga (unity) and rangatiratanga (sovereignty), “indigenous economics“ and “tribal institution-building“.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/te-ao-maori/350438761/ngai-tahu-prepares-host-third-national-hui-maori-unity.

While there is a drive, started by the late Maori King, to unify Maori as a force (for what?), are Maori still divided by those of ancestors who signed the Treaty and those who didn’t? Those who rejected ceding sovereignty and those who didn’t. Or, as the Waitangi Tribunal states, none did. And if that is the case, Maori may be united as one, but still for what?
Will the new Maori Queen make a statement at the Hui, informing us of their unity and to what purpose that is exactly?

In his closing address at the Hui ā Motu at Tūrangawaewae in January, the late Kiingi Tuheitia said, “Let the four winds speak”, and “Ngāi Tahu, we must come to you.” Ngāi Tahu responded by announcing our hui, Te Pūnuiotoka.
We are inviting iwi and hapū from around the motu to gather at Tuahiwi Marae on 22 October 2024.
Tomorrow …
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October 21, 2024 8:19am
- pdm
  
  Yvette – there should not be many there – it is a work day.
  
  Oh well another sicky I guess because one must be seen to attend.
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:47am
- kowtow
  
  The north island tribe that6 conquered the south island maoris some 300 years ago , ngai tahu, have had something like 4 or 5 settlements from the taxpayer for their grievances .
  The last one was another “full and final” with a perpetual top up clause ( thank you national)
  
  So now they’ve morphed it into a greivance around sovereignty .
  
  This is never ending.
  
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  October 21, 2024 11:34am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.20am, one lonely bike.

A calm, coolish, still morning in the Capital, ideal of cycling.
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October 21, 2024 8:21am
- David Garrett
  
  Nevermind: Please keep on with these reports! Sadly none of the “cycle lobbyists” will take a blind bit of notice.
  
  Many here will be surprised that when I worked in Wellington many years ago I cycled to work most days – and we lived in Ngaio which is at the top of a bloody big hill.
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:20am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Likewise DG. The drop down the valley to the main road was a blast- climbing it again each night less so!
    
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    October 21, 2024 9:54am
  - Local Miller
    
    For a time I also cycled to work. Cycled to the Bayswater ferry terminal, then ferry across to town, and from the CBD to Parnell. Crossing the Bayswater peninsula was the killer as I was going over the top, from sea level to sea level. Kept me fit, and work had a secure cage in the basement for bikes.
    It was also more convenient than trying to catch a bus or take a car from home to work and back because there was no realistic public transport route.
    
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    October 21, 2024 11:25am
Matt Long

The woman who made a young teen eat her faeces and beat him with a hammer proudly displays the Rainbow anti bullying T-shirt. I surprised she doesn’t wear the rape scarf as well.
https://x.com/2ETEKA/status/1847922830354026625
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October 21, 2024 8:23am
- David Garrett
  
  Matt: That sorry excuse for a human being ought to have got at least 10 years.
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:21am
  - gravedodger
    
    Very fortunate David it walked on two legs, four and would not have seen the sunrise tomorrow.
    
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    October 21, 2024 9:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But, but, but… she’s a solo mum of 5 kids…..
    
    I find it hard to believe that she wasn’t already in the “wrap-around” care of Oranga Tamaraki and offshoots.
    
    She was sentenced to 12 months of intensive supervision and 60 hours of community work, including an order to undergo an anger management programme, attend counselling, parenting, and tikanga courses.
    
    Earlier on Friday, the hearing was stood down briefly when the judge noticed the woman’s young daughter sitting in the public gallery by herself.
    
    Arrangements were made for her care outside the courtroom so the hearing could continue.
    
    “I’m a solo mother and there’s no one to care for her,” Wright told the court.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/woman-who-called-police-officer-pig-threatened-to-shoot-her-in-face-says-no-harm-intended/U3AZLLJGOBD4HL67REIIGOVJ3A/
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:30am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      How many fathers?
      
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      October 21, 2024 9:05pm
Gravelroad

More “stories” on $tuff today about Trump.
They don’t like Trump over on $tuff – ok, fair enough.
But they just can’t stop talking about him.
Not seeing many articles about Ms Harris, though.
Why would that be?
Nothing to report?
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October 21, 2024 8:31am
- kevn
  
  Gravel… Appears to be a global msm narrative.
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:07am
- My-Gumboot
  
  Yeah, I think it because Stuffed have such wide readership, subscriptions and influence in the USA. Their sharp reporting and analysis of Trumps campaign could very well swing the elections.
  Tui
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:50am
- sirknz
  
  Did you sign up to their election coverage newsletter?
  
  I’m curious to know what their ‘insights’ are but I can’t be bothered with the autofill in my web browser to so it.
  
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  October 21, 2024 11:05am
- NothingLeft
  
  Trump up to a 1 pt lead in the 7 election deciding battleground states, ahead in all of them. Only 1 point behind harris in meaningless popular vote. two points ahead of where he was vs Clinton in 2016. And significantly increased enthusiasm advantage too that is likely to be reflected in higher turnout for Trump supporters than Harris.
  
  Can Trump make the win too big to rig? Democrats have spent 10 years altering laws and procedures and counting infrastructure/machines everywhere they can to enable voting fraud and make it impossible to audit veracity of ballots once injected into the counting process.
  
  The biggest problems are the poor corrupt Democrat controlled metropolitan areas in swing states; Detroit in Michigan, Fulton county in Georgia, Maricopa in Arizona that saw all sorts of dodgy behaviour in 2020 and yet can’t be cleaned up due to local Democrat control.
  
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  October 21, 2024 1:14pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Heh. Even the Democrats don’t believe their “Threat To Democracy” bullshit about Trump, judging by he and Chuck Schumer getting along amiably at the Al Smith dinner the other night.
    
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    October 21, 2024 4:56pm
Tom Barker

That Andrew Bayly, eh? What a dag. If only other Ministers were prepared to let the voters know exactly what they think of them
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October 21, 2024 8:47am
- Dr John
  
  The MSM went all excited about what Andrew Bayly said to the ‘looser’.
  But I can’t find any information on what the ‘looser’ first said to Andrew to cause such a response.
  Surely the report can’t be biased?
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:45am
- pdm
  
  TB – is it correct that the complainant swore at Bayly almost as soon as he entered the premises?
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:49am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Well seeing he went straight to opposition parties then probably, sounds like a filthy smear campaign organised by Labour, this is their filthy MO
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:06am
    - Ghost
      
      Only he didn’t. He complained to andrew first. It’s great the right supporters don’t hold their ministers to account as they did the left.
      
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      October 21, 2024 10:13am
      - Burtland
        
        how long did Woods stay on after his “rivers of filth” comment ?
        
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        October 21, 2024 10:39am
      - Local Miller
        
        Yes, he complained, and Bayly apologized, and THEN the complainant went to the opposition.
        So did the apology count for nothing?
        
        Not excusing what the Bayly did, but 2 things 1) I don’t think we have all the facts, 2) If the mana apologizes, then accept it and move on, we are all allowed to make a mistake, crime excepted.
        
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        October 21, 2024 11:33am
  - Ghost
    
    That’s been reported nowhere, a blog made it up last week with zero evidence. Andrew took responsibility admitted he was trying to be light hearted.
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:12am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    None of us know and we should know.
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:21am
  - Paulus
    
    Yup – usual media smear !
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:44am
  - Paulus
    
    May we assume that he was a Union plant to slang the Minister as of Union rights ?
    
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    October 21, 2024 3:08pm
- Bridgenag
  
  The Blokes at Bowls are outraged at the smear. To them he is a great hard working [even tho’ a poly] guy. Nice as
  
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  October 21, 2024 12:02pm
Matt Long

Complains that the whole world tried to prevent Israel entering Rafah, where Sinwar was executed, hostages were help and huge weapons smuggling tunnels were discovered.
Then supports Kamala Harris, the dissonance is huge.
https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1847632176239567354
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October 21, 2024 9:02am
Quail

Does anyone here share my concern at Costers use of the defence force and its technology to apprehend a NZ family hiding in the bush?
To me it is potentially the start of an abuse of the power pf the state.
When this power gets out of control it can lead to incidents like Kent State in the USA or Tiananmen Square in China.
The Protest outside Parliament with Police only was bad enough, but unleashing the Military on other New Zealanders is at another level and should be totally unacceptable and illegal!
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October 21, 2024 9:09am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  100%. Our military should not be deployed against NZ citizens, except maybe following a declaration of emergency which is obviously not the case here.
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Remember that if this crazy Māori activism creates a civil war which they have threatened to do.
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:13am
  - Paulus
    
    I assume it is only being talked about – not done ?
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:45am
- Chuck Bird
  
  The army should be deployed to find the children.
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:23am
  - bennerg
    
    Given that the result will see them placed in the care of a meth addicted, totally unsuitable mother, most rational people are cheering for Tom.
    
    So sad the Police have become the enforcers for a corrupt social welfare system.
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:56am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No most rational folk are not “cheering for Tom”. These are children, in isolated conditions without access to education, medical care, or socialisation with other children and adults. I don’t have any information to judge the suitability of the mother to parent the children. That is a job for the authorities.
      
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      October 21, 2024 11:54am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Maybe he’s rotating locations with the aid of supporters and the kids are being home schooled?
        
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        October 21, 2024 5:22pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The army cannot be deployed to find the children because it would be unlawful.
    
    https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1990/0028/latest/whole.html
    
    The Act is clear. The defence force needs permission by a minister to be deployed against civilians. A terrorist hostage situation would be a good example. The army can also assist in civil emergencies.
    
    However, a guy on the run with his children, with no evidence that the lives of the children are in danger, does not meet the threshold in the Act.
    
    Happy to be corrected by any lawyers.
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:59am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I believe Coster is a lawyer.
      
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      October 21, 2024 11:02am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        That must be the greatest non sequitur in the history of the blog.
        
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        October 21, 2024 11:47am
      - Paulus
        
        Practicing ?
        
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        October 21, 2024 3:09pm
    - peterwn
      
      How ridiculous. The matter is whether the Military is deployed to help people or against people. In this instance the Military would be deployed to help the children. It is all about the children, not the guy. In this case once the Military has helped locate the children, military people would then let the Police do the actual recovery and deal with the father as need be. If I am lost and hurt I am not worried whether a soldier, police officer or other volunteer finds me first. I would be happy that help is at hand.
      No one has been upset that the RNZAF helps locate missing boats etc so help can be arranged.
      
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      October 21, 2024 11:16am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Agree.
        If my three primary school age kids had been taken away (albeit by their father but without permission) into an isolated environment and I hadn’t seen them for three years, I would want someone in authority to go find them – police or army.
        I would be not doing my duty as a parent to just sit back and do nothing and be told the father can do what he likes with these children.
        These kids have human rights- the right to a school based education, health care and a safe home and upbringing. I believe one of the girls will soon be reaching puberty, so I guess the father has laid in a supply of menstrual products? Yeah, right.
        Who is this guy to deprive kids of their basic human rights, just because it suits him and his ego?
        Surely the other parent has some rights also?
        
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        October 21, 2024 11:39am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I am simply pointing out that the circumstances in which the defence force can be deployed are set out in legislation. Feel free to read the legislation and provide a contrary view.
        
        “No one has been upset that the RNZAF helps locate missing boats etc so help can be arranged.”
        
        Yes that is because that function is specified in the Act.
        
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        October 21, 2024 11:46am
      - Mike
        
        Yes, no one is suggesting that army units be sent to apprehend the abusive father. It is relatively commonplace for the military to provide support for police operations. This has happened at armed police responses to gunmen in Napier and the Manawatu in recent times, using LAVs.
        
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        October 21, 2024 4:38pm
    - peterwn
      
      They are not being deployed against civilians. They are being deployed to help find the children. It would be a strange world where the military cannot be deployed to help find children just because the by-catch may happen to be the father. As long as the soldiers do not interact with the father, I see no problem.
      
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      October 21, 2024 12:13pm
- Local Miller
  
  Do you have a link to what exactly the army was doing on behalf of the police?
  For example were they providing heat seeking capability beyond what the police could supply? Or did they actually provide personnel on the ground who would interact with the children? I’d not have an issue with the first.
  
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  October 21, 2024 11:36am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I doubt if there is a link other than to Q + A where Coster said they had been used but he was not prepared to give details.
    
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    October 21, 2024 1:17pm
- NothingLeft
  
  There is a very strong distrust in the community for Oranga Tamariki and the family court system that most middle aged men (fairly) regard as biased against dads – almost everyone knows men who have been unfairly fucked over by it.
  
  This will strongly engender sympathy for Tom – he clearly has significant community support helping to keep him supplied with essentials. So at least some people think he’s doing a decent job as a parent.
  
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  October 21, 2024 1:26pm
  - Mike
    
    Crims helping crims. Just because he and his ‘supporters’ pretend he is the victim doesn’t make it so.
    
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    October 21, 2024 4:40pm
- Jake Dee
  
  I have no problems at all with army trackers tracking people through the bush, if they were lost children, fugitives (both of which I think is the case here).
  I also have no problems with army sappers disarming suspicious packages or with police flying in army helicopters etc. etc.
  There are rules for this sort of thing and the Posse Comitatus Act is a U.S. federal law not New Zealand law.
  
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  October 21, 2024 11:29pm
cmm

What better way to drive home the need for fiscal control than having a 300 “leaders” fly to Wellington for 3 days and spending $200 each on $40 lunches and $30 each on snacks.

C’mon. How about driving the message home properly: 1 day, Zoom call, bring your own sandwiches/lunch.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/health-nz-managers-ate-9000-of-canapes-as-financial-crisis-loomed/NZH3EIUSJJEV7L3TOKCRSXWYSQ/
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October 21, 2024 9:12am
- pdm
  
  cmm how does Margie Apa keep her highly paid job.
  
  Everything she touches seems to turn into a mess.
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:51am
  - Burtland
    
    probably still trying to find a non-DEI replacement
    – if ever there was a hospital pass this role is it
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:25am
  - rockape
    
    That’s the trouble with DEI hires.
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:36am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  To be fair, it’s been the first (and likely only) in-person meeting for Health NZ since the change in government; in-person meetings have their place. Catering arrangements would have been put in place before the depth of the funding crisis became apparent.
  
  $60k all up for breakfast & lunch for 300 delegates for three days (including the canapés, which were likely a late afternoon thing) is not outrageously expensive in conference terms.
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:00am
  - cmm
    
    ” Catering arrangements would have been put in place before the depth of the funding crisis became apparent.”
    
    Unless you’re willfully blind those have been obvious for many years now.
    
    Sure it isn’t outrageous in conference terms, but that is because all these conferences take the gold plated option.
    
    The last conference I went to had lunch provided on 2 days: on one day it was Subway platters, on the other it was pizza in boxes. Cost must have been under $10 each meal.
    
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    October 21, 2024 11:42am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes this is excessive..
  
  However there is an inconsistency in many commenters here on such topics.
  
  On the one hand folk condemn the working from home trend because it is not “real work”. Of course that is a myth.
  
  On the other hand you suggest that hundreds of people can hold online meetings because they are just as productive as meeting in person.
  
  You can’t have it both ways.
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:47am
  - Geri Sjovik
    
    Yes you can.
    
    They are two different situations.
    
    Unless of course working from home consisits of 8 hours a day in meetings.
    
    To be fair, that is what most government employees do all day.
    
    (I live with one and most of the working from home day is meetings.)
    
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    October 21, 2024 11:41am
  - cmm
    
    There is a vast difference between desk work and meetings.
    
    Meetings online are far more effective than desk work.
    
    So yes, you can have it both ways.
    
    But still, a 3 day meeting on cost cutting that requires 300 delegates is a piss-take. There are 20 DHBs. Did they each send 10 delegates + another 100 drones from Wellington?
    
    Surely that could have been fitted into one day – no accommodation required.
    
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    October 21, 2024 11:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

Hard now not to believe this was a set-up:

Andrew Bayly wrote an apology letter to the worker on Oct 11 after he had been notified that the chap had been upset by Bayly’s comments.

The Worker emails opposition parties and the PM AFTER he had received the apology.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360457679/worker-who-complained-about-andrew-bayly-contacted-opposition-parties?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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October 21, 2024 9:12am
- Ghost
  
  If I was treated like that by a minister and the minister kept his portfolios I’d write the opposition as well. This is disgraceful behaviour. From the sound of the interview with Heather took place at a vineyard. Reminds me of Aaron Gilmore. If this was a labour mp, there would be calls on this blog to demote or sack
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:18am
  - MCōs
    
    Andrew Bayly has been in parliament for ten years.
    If this was a setup he should have recognized it as such and been more assertive in his defence
    So far, that I’m aware of, no witnesses have come to his defence.
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:09am
    - Ghost
      
      Yeah. He’s taken responsibility. Admitted he thought he was being light hearted when doing it. But some people on this blog do not hold the right to the same standards they do they left. His interview with Heather was a train wreck. He sounded full of it
      
      https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/andrew-bayly-commerce-and-consumer-affairs-minister-on-public-complaint-of-behaviour-during-ministerial-visit/
      
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      October 21, 2024 10:17am
      - RoboRob
        
        He was very evasive and his ‘apology’ was exactly the kind I hated from Labour. It was the standard ‘I am sorry if he was offended by what I said’ rather then ‘I am sorry, I stuffed up, I should not have said what I said’. Disappointing.
        
        I suspect that he isn’t one little bit sorry and thinks the complainant either missed the joke or is a bit loopy. I say that because I suspect he was joking around with someone who was likely complaining about being last one left working. It’s the sort of joke I might very well have made, and I would likely also think the complaint should toughen up and stop being so precious 😊
        
        So on one hand I am disappointed with the apology but on the other hand I am not particularly worried about his actual actions.
        
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        October 21, 2024 10:45am
    - Observer of Life
      
      I’ve had a few discussions with Andrew Bayly (with regards to National government policies) over the years. I can confirm he is a condescending and arrogant prat. I’m glad he’s been called out. Maybe he’ll tone his attitude down and accept that the “people” put him in power, and that he needs to listen to them and actually show a bit of respect.
      
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      October 21, 2024 1:02pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Remind us of what Gilmore did? Let’s not forget what was acceptable in Labours rein of terror
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:15am
    - David Garrett
      
      G: REIGN old boy…a rein is something used to steer a horse
      
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      October 21, 2024 12:32pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        Max Hastings [ blokes war stuff ] has the best handle on the English language IMO
        
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        October 21, 2024 12:50pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t know your background Ghost, but I’m very much a working-class kid brought up by hard, but fair men.
    
    If someone has ballsed-up and an apology is given, that’s it…. the end.
    
    This ongoing, drawn-out publicity smells like bull-shit to my canny nose.
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:36am
    - RoboRob
      
      Agree. I feel the complainant is being overly precious here. Lets face it, likely the story goes…
      
      1. At a winery and event goes late
      2. Other staff go home and this person stays and moans to the clients that they are having to work late.
      3. The group are in jovial form and Bayley jokes with him along the lines of ‘Harden up, grab a bottle of wine and go home looser’
      4. Staff member takes offence and later complains.
      
      It likely was joke that came out badly becuase unlike Bayley the staff member wasn’t in a great mood.
      
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      October 21, 2024 10:49am
      - Ghost
        
        Nice bit of fiction. It’s strange how for a blog that Hates the msm making stuff up, it’s now common here
        
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        October 21, 2024 11:14am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Kicking down on low level staff is very poor form (if that is what happened). Even more so when you are paid to represent the public.
      
      Note: I know very little about the ins and outs of this incident.
      
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      October 21, 2024 5:28pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        And even if the staff member was a snotty little far left prat deliberately acting up on politicians he doesn’t like (I do not know if this was the case, but it’s not inconceivable in NZ), the response should have been professionally delivered.
        
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        October 21, 2024 7:21pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    “If I was treated like that by a minister and the minister kept his portfolios I’d write the opposition as well”
    
    Why?
    
    Just tell him to fuck off.
    
    There are a lot of precious people in this country.
    
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    October 21, 2024 10:39am
    - Ghost
      
      Because for a minister to speak to anyone like that is unacceptable. If it was a labour, greens or Maori mp, the hypocrites on this blog would be calling for them to be fired
      
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      October 21, 2024 11:37am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Its unacceptable to you, but its not unacceptable to me.
        There are plenty of whiney little gits around who need putting back in their box.
        If that is what happened then we should applaud Bayley.
        
        As for ministers speech being restricted, wouldn’t you want ministers to say what they think?
        
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        October 21, 2024 11:52am
- pdm
  
  Maggy exactly the question I raised at No Minister on Saturday.
  https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/10/19/has-andrew-bayly-been-stitched-up/
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:53am
- Gravelroad
  
  Be interesting to know who wrote that letter- the wording of which looks like it might have come out of a professional’s office.
  Also if there were any witnesses as to what took place and who heard all that was said.
  It’s all just a bit too neat and tidy IMO.
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:01am
  - MCōs
    
    So they might have got some help with the letter.
    Never heard of that before said nobody ever
    
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    October 21, 2024 2:25pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Chat GPT?
    
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    October 21, 2024 9:12pm
Raphael

https://apnews.com/article/germany-fire-station-fire-alarm-system-blaze-f5abcb52a75886705a77fca5bc6bfd9b

BERLIN (AP) — A brand-new fire station in Germany, which was destroyed in a fire, causing millions of euros in damage and destroyed equipment did not have a fire alarm system, local media reported Thursday.

The fire broke out early Wednesday morning at the Stadtallendorf fire station in Hesse and destroyed, among other things, the equipment hall and almost a dozen emergency vehicles, German news agency dpa reported. Initial estimates put the damage at between 20 million and 24 million euros ($21 million to $26 million). No one was injured.

Local officials told dpa that no fire alarm system was installed in the building because experts had considered it not necessary — much to the astonishment of many observers now that the station has burned down.
….
The fire broke out on an emergency vehicle belonging to the fire department, which contained lithium-ion batteries and an external power connection.

is this a fancy way of saying an EV caught fire while charging
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October 21, 2024 9:34am
- gravedodger
  
  Hope it was not being charged with Nuclear Lectric from France ?
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:55am
  - sirknz
    
    Germany runs off coal these days doesn’t it?
    
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    October 21, 2024 12:36pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Another reason to be very wary about taking advice from “experts”.
  
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  October 21, 2024 11:16am
- imalwaysright
  
  I’m wondering how they built it for €25 million .
  We would have blown that on RMA and koharuption.
  
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  October 21, 2024 11:18am
nathie

Helen Clark pops up again imploring the National coalition Govt to host the next America’s Cup yacht in NZ. Apparently it is “politically viable” she claims.

Sure, that would be the ideal. But “politically viable”? If that’s the case perhaps Helen should also fire a shot across the Labour Party’s bow to be sure and to explain what viability means?

Last time when the event was held in Auckland (2021) Ardern’s Labour Govt made it hard for overseas competitors to enter the country, prevented overseas super yacht’s from visiting and caused the Youth racing events to be cancelled.

Now of course those were unique times but my point is, how can Team NZ guarantee a successful outcome the next time the event is to held here due to “over zealous protective” politicians who lack common sense?

https://www.sail-world.com/news/229013/Americas-Cup-Challengers-vent-over-Kiwi-ban

https://www.sail-world.com/news/237981/Americas-Cup-Kiwis-miss-the-(super)-boat

https://www.livesaildie.com/2021-youth-americas-cup-cancelled/
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October 21, 2024 9:36am
- imalwaysright
  
  “politically viable”
  
  She does talk crap.
  Is there a boat race that would be politically unviable?
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:44am
- Burtland
  
  Clark seems out of step and out of touch with her comrades
  – the left hate TNZs success – its rich pricks sport
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/is-36m-well-spent-on-the-americas-cup/9156743/Nothing-Kiwi-about-Team-New-Zealand
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:51am
- Bridgenag
  
  Why can’t she go away
  
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  October 21, 2024 11:07am
  - peterwn
    
    She won’t. She wants a stint in that nice house next to Wellington College at some point.
    
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    October 21, 2024 11:22am
    - Gravelroad
      
      What? As Governor General?
      I thought Ms Clark was pushing for Aotearoa to become a republic.
      So many of these left wing people sneer and smear the British Royalty, but are first in line to receive medals of honour from them.
      Why?
      
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      October 21, 2024 1:05pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        As first President of Aotearoa
        
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        October 21, 2024 9:13pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Bridge: Far far away…perhaps a teaching post at sone second tier uni in the UK.
    
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    October 21, 2024 11:29am
    - Matt Long
      
      Or at a UNRWA school in Gaza.
      
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      October 21, 2024 12:46pm
  - MCōs
    
    She’s a patron of Team New Zealand
    
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    October 21, 2024 2:04pm
bythesea

Does anyone have insight on loss of propulsion for ships and the recent move to biodiesel mixes with the potential for fuel contamination?

NZ signed up to “Green Shipping” last year
https://www.munz.org.nz/2023/01/12/great-potential-for-coastal-shipping-in-green-shipping-corridors/
which I think demands watering down the diesel with biodiesel.

I think there have been two navy instances and the bluebridge ferry.
March 2024 – Fuel Contamination HMNZS Aotearoa. https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/herald-on-sunday/20240303/281582360581540
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/10/18/connemara-lost-power-in-cook-strait-due-to-fuel-contamination/
And the latest one with the Navy ship losing propulsion by the reef.

And just in case you thought it was better to take the train, the new trains just bought are set to use biodiesel too I believe
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October 21, 2024 9:56am
- imalwaysright
  
  At least the boats are already at sea level.
  AirNZ are trialling biofuel. Apparently you can’t use more than a 50% mix. That’s comforting.
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:49am
- Taieri
  
  Fuel Contamination HMNZS Aotearoa
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  That was not caused by biodiesel, but by contaminated fuel bunkered in Singapore.
  I’ve encountered this problem with fuel bunkered in Singapore on several ships. The solution depends on the type of contamination. If it is MDO (marine diesel or gas oil) contaminated with HFO (heavy fuel oil) the whole consignment has to be discharged and sometime re-refined and all tanks thoroughly cleaned. Time consuming and expensive but all costs should be able to be recovered from the bunker supplier. If the contamination is caused by bacteria all fuel can usually be treated by biocide and then used in normal way. There will be some residual sludge after such treatment, which will need to be removed and disposed off. There could also be some damage to the machinery if contamination is not detected in time. Sometime the contamination is so serious that the whole affected fuel has to be written off. A very serious and costly decision but unfortunately unavoidable.
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:55am
  - bythesea
    
    Thanks – that’s helpful.
    Is this a downstream consequence of Marsden Point closures for NZ waters shipping, or has Singapore always been a source.
    
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    October 21, 2024 12:46pm
    - Taieri
      
      Difficult to say. Depends where they bunker. NZ supplied fuel was almost always of a very good quality, I recall only one instance of a dodgy fuel in the 1980’s. It used to be a common problem in Singapore though. They tried to alleviate it by appointing independent bunker surveyors, to prevent cheating. Normally sealed fuel samples are taken and retained on board. Such a sample should be taken from the running pipeline and its taking witnessed by the recipient.
      
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      October 21, 2024 5:51pm
- Burtland
  
  if the change to biodiesel mix is the reason, surely it would have been tested first ?
  
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  October 21, 2024 11:02am
- mogg
  
  Somebody I know who works in defence says there is nothing official, but rumour has it that bio fuel degradation turned to sludge in the pipes and caused loss of power.
  
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  October 21, 2024 12:48pm
  - Taieri
    
    Fuel doesn’t “turn to sludge in the pipes”. Bacterial infestation happens in bunker tanks, usually when there’s a presence of sea water.
    It makes itself known well before any “loss of power”. That is, it doesn’t happen in an instant. If there’s any doubt as to the quality of fuel it should be tested. There are special dip slides which immersed in fuel give quick and reliable results.
    One company that I worked for had routine fuel testing programme where we would test fuel weekly. Any onset of contamination was then attacked with biocide.
    This can be a bit more difficult with cargo fuel but is still doable.
    
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    October 21, 2024 5:59pm
- rouppe
  
  I did see this :
  
  Biodiesel is a renewable, biodegradablefuel manufactured domestically from vegetable oils, animal fats, or recycled restaurant grease.
  
  Which led me to wonder, if it is biodegradable, and is sitting in storage tanks for any length of time, would it biodegrade – emphasis on degrade – while in the tank.
  
  I’m not a chemist, so genuine question
  
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  October 21, 2024 1:42pm
  - cmm
    
    If it is biodegradeable it likely takes up water and makes a sludgy compound.
    
    I am also not a chemist – just did Chemistry to first year uni.
    
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    October 21, 2024 3:09pm
  - Taieri
    
    Any fuel degrades over time be it biodiesel or petroleum derived diesel.
    
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    October 21, 2024 5:45pm
- cmm
  
  Surely regardless of what diesel, there was a string of failures on the ship:
  1) There is a known potential problem with fuel. Fuel should be tested daily at least.
  2) This is especially the case when you are about to do dangerous maneuvering close to a known dangerous reef. Everything should be checked and rechecked.
  
  If it really was caused by Singaporean oil, it seems rather odd that they were able to sail 9400km from Singapore to Samoa and “suddenly” develop a fuel fault without any warning when they were a km or two from the reef.
  
  Strange things happen at sea I guess…
  
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  October 21, 2024 3:07pm
Tom Hunter

I laughed at this take on the US MSM:

There are writers who try to see something clearly, and then to show it to other people, and there are writers who are…Anne Applebaum. The prevailing model in American “mainstream” media is to go plow the same row again and again and again, because plowing where everybody else has already plowed is, I don’t know, safe? Consensus journalism, the 9,746th journalist ringing your doorbell to announce that Trump is a lot like Adolf Hitler. Looking wonderfully proud of themselves, like they just shat a cookie. All day, every day, all messages are the same message. Idea for a new movie: Groundhog Minute.
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October 21, 2024 10:01am
- mogg
  
  Yayah’s wife the obese Mrs Sinwar is now to be seen on video waddling along the underground tunnels clutching a $30,000 Hermes/Birkin handbag. This is while according to UN reports the Gazans are living in poverty famine and starvation.
  ‘Grunter’ should take notice if the blinkers allow it
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:23am
  - Geri Sjovik
    
    That video was shot on the 6 October last year. He knew what was coming and was going into hiding.
    
    Any reports on how he was a lucky find could be to cover up that he was sold out by an informant. The truth being the first victim and all that.
    
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    October 21, 2024 12:46pm
    - mogg
      
      It also confirms that Netanyahu in almost impossible circumstance knew what had to be done, then methodically set about eliminating Hamas from tunnels and schools, hospitals all public building and hiding places.
      
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      October 21, 2024 4:50pm
Jack5

How authentic are claims of a signal from space?

There’s been recent excitement in tabloids of various countries, but I prefer the measured assessment of a German scientist, Sabine Hossenfelder. She has a good series on Youtube:

https://youtu.be/gxedtCGCBfc?si=K-qVk5DBKsACuwGy

Excitement in the tabloids:

https://nypost.com/2024/10/14/us-news/nasa-filmmaker-claims-evidence-of-alien-life-could-be-revealed-within-the-next-month/

Proxima Centauri BLC-1 signal:

https://nbscience.com/breakthrough-listen-and-the-search-for-extraterrestrial-intelligence-the-blc-1-signal-and-its-potential-discovery-at-proxima-centauri/
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October 21, 2024 10:23am
- imalwaysright
  
  I would like to know how Earth has so many intelligent life forms (relative, even a worm is an intelligent life form) yet we have no evidence of even a single cell on our closest neighbours.
  
  Saying that, a self replicating cell is, in itself, so improbable, as to be mathematically impossible .
  
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  October 21, 2024 12:28pm
- cmm
  
  Most previous signals from space have turned out to be someone turning on the microwave to warm their left overs.
  
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  October 21, 2024 3:24pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    What if WE are the leftovers!!!
    
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    October 21, 2024 4:21pm
Benedict Yu

No surprise.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360458128/former-green-mp-golriz-ghahramans-appeal-over-shoplifting-convictions-fails
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October 21, 2024 10:39am
- mandk
  
  Good.
  
  She deserves her conviction. She knew what she was doing. She committed multiple offences. She’s an intelligent woman. And, as a lawyer, she would have been very aware of the risks she was running.
  
  Perhaps she should take up Sharon Murdoch’s former career.
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:59am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Actually I am surprised. With so many crazy decisions by judges it would not have surprised me if she had got away with it.
  This is good IMO, she shop lifted several times (not a one off moment of madness) and should not get away with zero consequences. Well done that judge.
  
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  October 21, 2024 11:26am
  - David Garrett
    
    Bobba: i suspect it may not end there…she still has the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court to cry in front of…
    
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    October 21, 2024 12:36pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      Perhaps she’ll know when it’s time to cut her losses. She got off lightly as it is.
      
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      October 21, 2024 12:52pm
    - cmm
      
      DG: Correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it an appeal results in a re-sentencing which can result in stiffer punishments being applied.
      
      ie. In theory (but unlikely) she could appeal and end up in the clink.
      
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      October 21, 2024 2:55pm
      - fernglas
        
        This is an appeal against conviction, rather than sentence. It’s either the conviction remaining or a discharge without conviction. The sentence can be increased on a sentence appeal, but that is most unusual. Appeal to the Court of Appeal in this case is not as of right but with the leave of the Court of Appeal, which will only grant leave if it is a matter of general or public importance, or if there may have been a miscarriage of justice. Neither of those apply here
        
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        October 21, 2024 5:37pm
Chuck Bird

Great finish by Liam Lawson. He passed a few to come ninth.
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October 21, 2024 10:39am
- kevn
  
  Chuck…. From 18th on the grid to 9th and some points, on basically a maiden F1 drive. Impressive.
  
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  October 21, 2024 1:08pm
- rangitoto
  
  Yuki wasn’t happy when he saw Lawson come out of the pits ahead. Asked his race engineer how can that happen?
  
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  October 21, 2024 2:41pm
Bridgenag

How DMSO Treats “Incurable” Autoimmune and Contractile Disorders
The decades of research that could have prevented an immense amount of human suffering

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/how-dmso-treats-incurable-autoimmune?r=3rl49t&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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October 21, 2024 11:52am
sirknz

Couple of masked guys steal a flag, guy feels unsafe as a result.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/masked-offenders-steal-lgbtiq-pride-flag-from-wellington-mans-home/BVH5AGTDHNE47BTKUTYDYYDUK4/

Came to NZ because of what has happened in the US, you know, Donald Trump.

I don’t like to victim blame here but the guy definitely sounds like a little ‘rhymes with itch’.
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October 21, 2024 2:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump tariffs.
China cancelled plans for big car plants in Mexico because they think Trump is going to win. Yuge decision. Trump didn’t even do anything!
See how job creation works? The left say Americans can’t afford the tariffs. That is the whole point, they won’t pay and the China EVs are dead in the water. Car plants will be back and steel plants will be back.

Video, 20.37.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/noise-may-be-all-trump-needs-fears-grow-over-a-return-of-stop-the-steal-chaos/ar-AA1sAzip?
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October 21, 2024 2:22pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  That is not how tariffs work. Tariffs will increase the cost of ALL EVs, including those made in the USA. You seem to be arguing for protectionism. I thought that the arguments for it were debunked 40 years ago. Trump is not alone amongst American politicians in advocating for protectionism. However he does come across as the most extreme and stupid regarding the benefits of free trade.
  
  At least the Canadians know that their protectionism is wrong. Trump incredibly thinks it is all good.
  
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  October 21, 2024 2:41pm
  - cmm
    
    Subsidies are also a form of protectionism.
    There is only free trade on a level playing field and I don’t think any country completely practices that.
    
    “At least the Canadians know that their protectionism is wrong”
    Do they? If so, then why do they continue with it?
    
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    October 21, 2024 2:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      BY, it is about bringing manufacturing back to America.
      Did I mention that EVs will be dead in the water?
      Tell us how long the EV boom will last. No minerals unless something else is invented.
      
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      October 21, 2024 4:44pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    “At least the Canadians know that their protectionism is wrong.”
    
    You mean this Canada, Eh?
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/new-zealand-forces-canada-to-the-negotiating-table-in-200m-dairy-dispute/YPQW7YWAN5G55PPELQJVEKVHPM/
    
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    October 21, 2024 4:28pm
  - rockape
    
    When tarriffs were applied by the EU against Japanese cars what happened? Well the Japanese started opening factories in the UK and Europe and employed citizens of those countries and the economies did well.. The cost of those cars didn’t increase to the consumer. The British car industry took a hit because they couldn’t compete but cars got cheaper overall. ( allowing for inflation).
    
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    October 21, 2024 6:41pm
Benedict Yu

This is very telling. The incoming government announced that government agencies would be required to present their English names first in all communications. With a couple of exceptions, this has been ignored.

The Public Service Commission provides a list of every government agency. Here is an extract, and a link to the full list. See the problem? 🙁

https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/system/central-government-organisations#public-service-departments

Te Papa Atawhai | Department of Conservation

Ara Poutama Aotearoa | Department of Corrections

Te Tari Taiwhenua | Department of Internal Affairs

Te Tari o te Pirimia me te Komiti Matua
| Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet

Te Tari Arotake Mātauranga | Education Review Office

Te Tira Tiaki | Government Communications Security Bureau

Te Tari Taake | Inland Revenue Department

Toitū Te Whenua | Land Information New Zealand
Manatū Taonga | Ministry for Culture and Heritage

Te Manatū mō Ngā Iwi ō te Moana-nui-ā-Kiwa | Ministry for Pacific Peoples

Manatū Ahu Matua | Ministry for Primary Industries

Te Manatū Waeture | Ministry for Regulation

Manatū Mō Te Taiao | Ministry for the Environment
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October 21, 2024 2:35pm
- cmm
  
  Until people get fired nothing will change.
  
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  October 21, 2024 2:39pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I think that one problem is that once in office, Winston forgets about most of the things that he felt strongly about. When was the last time we heard from him?
    
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    October 21, 2024 2:43pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Heh. He’s been that way since I first became aware of him as a kid and it’s why he’s survived; pick an issue for the election, hammer it relentlessly, get elected, then ignore it.
      
      Way back in 2008 Danyl McLauchlan, on his The Dim Post blog, captured it perfectly with “Winston in Crisis”. Key line at the end:
      
      Friday 10:30 AM: Receives report back from Department of Statistics confirming that proportion of New Zealanders with IQ below 90 is still greater than 5%. Laughs heartily. Tells rest of country to go fuck themselves.
      
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      October 21, 2024 3:30pm
- Paulus
  
  Still Bloody sad but what can we expect.
  Like last evenings NZ Location Location Location, where the two twits kept on talking about Aotearoa and Tamaki Makaura.
  No wonder it will have no sequel (and they have sold nothing).
  Assume their TVNZ bosses told them to do this.
  
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  October 21, 2024 3:17pm
- Cantabrian
  
  Maybe Sir Brian Roche, the new Public Service Commissioner, can fix this?
  
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  October 21, 2024 4:50pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Why hasn’t the government fixed it? It would take a formal instruction to every CE. I don’t get it. All it would take is to fire one of them for not complying.
    
    As I have commented previously, the adoption of te ao Maori has intensified under this government. Did anyone see that happening 12 months ago?
    
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    October 21, 2024 6:56pm
cmm

Paddy “I am the news” Gower has the opinion:

“One of the greatest things we have in this country is our national bird.”

Well, it it a funny wee beastie. But I wouldn’t put it in the list of top 10 important things in NZ.

I am sure the Moa was far better, if it hadn’t been respected to death.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360457001/paddy-gower-help-save-kiwi-wiping-out-feral-cats
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October 21, 2024 2:43pm
- mandk
  
  The Haast eagle would be even better.
  
  A 15 kg bird with a wingspan on up to 3 metres. Awesome!
  
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  October 21, 2024 3:14pm
  - sirknz
    
    It would certainly spice up Saturday sports with the kids if it were still around…
    
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    October 21, 2024 3:50pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes well the Haast eagle only ate one thing. Moa.
    
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    October 21, 2024 6:57pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      I bet it ate seals, penguins and nesting birds too. Until Maori scoffed most of them as well.
      
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      October 21, 2024 10:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can’t we just shoot feral cats?
  I remember camping by lake Otamangakau south of Taupo and hunters would come back with some huge cats. Not household cats. They were big.
  So yes, cats not quite in the residential area – bang!
  
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  October 21, 2024 4:52pm
- imalwaysright
  
  “One of the greatest things we have in this country is our national bird”
  
  Unfortunately he might be right for once…
  
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  October 21, 2024 5:11pm
imalwaysright

Mc “Donalds”

https://youtu.be/RwYasZbIVsY?si=A5kv3EBWVCOuTgQ3
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October 21, 2024 3:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shit. The Don working at Macas?
  He did spend a day working in one of his own hotels you know. Vacuuming, making beds, cleaning the bathroom, dusting.
  Fuck.
  
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  October 21, 2024 5:03pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    He’s certainly winning the voters if the drivethru is any indication .
    Kamela said she worked at McDs when she was younger. The company has no record of her!
    Maybe she was on manoeuvres with Tampon Tim.
    
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    October 21, 2024 5:29pm
Northshoredoc

Good grief !

Business Manager – Office of the Chief Clinical Officer

The Clinical Leadership team are in search of an experienced Business Manager to step into this permanent full-time position. Working closely with the Head of the Office to support the Chief Clinical Officer and National Clinical Chiefs, you would be responsible for providing strategic advice across the Clinical Leadership function, maintaining focus on supporting health system delivery.

You will bring
Competency with te ao Māori, tikanga, and te reo Māori or a commitment to starting your journey and taking ownership of your learning and growth
Experience in projects / initiatives which give effect to Te Tiriti principals and frameworks, and the application of Mātauranga Māori and Kaupapa Māori approaches, particularly as they apply in healthcare settings.

This country is buggered !

https://www.seek.co.nz/job/79591513?ref=search-standalone&type=standout&origin=stickyTitle#sol=dbbc2ea2ba05131c59e7ad8f4c603a85623f14ab
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October 21, 2024 4:24pm
- imalwaysright
  
  The candidate with the greatest acreage of bone or greenstone suspended from their scrawny neck will get the “job”.
  
  Whoever approved the job description should be immediately sacked.
  
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  October 21, 2024 5:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “You will bring”
  Is that meaning a qualification, or is that a “DEMAND?”
  
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  October 21, 2024 5:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And just WHO are these Te Tiriti principals that the applicant will have to give effect to?
  
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  October 21, 2024 5:39pm
  - fernglas
    
    The principal principle is that all principals’ principal principle is to encourage the correct use of the English language, principally its spelling
    
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    October 21, 2024 5:47pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Some version of that is now in every public service job advertisement.
  
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  October 21, 2024 7:00pm
- Inandout
  
  North, if Hosking has his usual chat with Luxon in the morning perhaps he could mention this. Mike mentioned that Chris had lost his backbone when he was asked about the AG court guidlines. Judith answered for him later in the week.
  
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  October 21, 2024 9:03pm
Jack5

Oceania has the world’s highest rate of sexual violence, according to a UNICEF official.

The Australian Broadcasting Corporation reports Rachel Hardy, UNICEF’s Regional Child Protection Advisor for the East Asia Pacific, as saying one in three women in Oceania has reported suffering sexual violence before the age of 18.

In Fiji, 180 cases of rape were reported between January and August last year.

From the help addresses listed by the ABC, New Zealand and Australia don’t seem to be included in the worst affected nations — though the report is in the ABC’s Pacific section.

Help directions are listed for Papaua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Vanuatu, Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, Kiribati, Nauru, and Tuvalu.

https://www.abc.net.au/pacific/unicef-report-reveals-child-sexual-abuse-crisis-in-pacific/104480852
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October 21, 2024 5:48pm
- cmm
  
  I expect they are high, but I call bullshit on them being the highest.
  
  In Southern Africa, at least 50% of women are raped at least once in their life. Most are raped many times.
  
  ” one in three women in Oceania has reported suffering sexual violence before the age of 18.”
  
  OK, what’s “sexual violence”? A grope? A pat on the bum?
  
  Fiji has a population of 930k, so 180 is “only” one per 5000 women. That’s for an 8 month period, so call that 1 per 3300 per year.
  
  That is a very small number. It is about the same as USA (1 per 3600) and far less than UK (1 per 1000).
  
  Activists and facts don’t go well together.
  
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  October 21, 2024 7:03pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Hey it’s the ABC. Take with a container ship of salt.
    
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