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NeverMindTheBollocks

So, in the last couple of years I’ve started to notice an increase in people using walking sticks (in Wellington). These people are not OAPs, nor do they exhibit a limp or other such infirmity.

From observation they appear to be in the Long Covid clan. The conclusion I’ve tentatively drawn is that, since Long Covid is invisible to the naked eye, the walking stick is a symbol of their membership of the Lefty/ intersectional/ I’m different and special crowd. Call me cynical, but I suspect some of them may not even have had Long Covid.
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October 20, 2024 8:01am
- Jethrod
  
  Have a look at your posting name.
  
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  October 20, 2024 9:50am
- kevn
  
  Never… ‘Maybe they have issues from the actual jab?
  Two in our family have.
  
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  October 20, 2024 10:02am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I am sorry to hear about your family members. Hopefully they have applied to ACC for vaccine injury compensation. ACC has paid out to 1,645 people.
    
    https://www.acc.co.nz/assets/oia-responses/covid-19-vaccination-claims-refresh-january-2024.pdf
    
    As there have been 13.4 million shots given, that is a vaccine injury rate of 0.012276 percent, which is a comparable injury rate to those of other vaccines. Sadly, three New Zealand residents have died from adverse reactions to the COVID vaccine, also a comparable death rate to other vaccines, such the routine childhood vaccines.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:53am
    - NK
      
      Are you implying that the V was “safe and effective”?
      
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      October 20, 2024 11:15am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        Is it your contention that nothing can legitimately be described as safe unless it carries literally zero risk of harm?
        
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        October 20, 2024 1:11pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Dudley, if something is “safe and effective” , people don’t have to be bullied, shamed or mandated into doing it. Most will naturally do it if it’s truly in their best interests. I suspect “Long Covid” is more due to misreported vax injuries than long-term health effects from Covid itself. But we will never know, because too many vax pushers in government, academia, medicine, media etc. can’t afford to admit they might have got it wrong. So very, very wrong.
        
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        October 20, 2024 4:27pm
    - mandk
      
      You do not know the vaxx injury rate, and I don’t know why you keep claiming what you do.
      
      The rate is actually unknowable and might never be known. Reporting of adverse events was not mandatory.
      
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      October 20, 2024 12:37pm
    - 2ic
      
      What a ridiculous argument. It’s completely nonsensical to derive the vaccine injury rate from the number of approved ACC claims.
      
      Medsafe actually have data on actual adverse event reports, which they conveniently stopped making public nearly 2 years ago now. Here is the last one, which shows 3,688 SERIOUS adverse event up to 30 Nov 2022:
      
      https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-46.asp
      
      It’s horrifying to contemplate the numbers they must be sitting on now.
      
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      October 20, 2024 1:34pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Why? Do you think ACC employs idiot medical practitioners?
        
        People have adverse medical events every day. Thousands of them. In 2021, those medical events coincided with the unprecedented roll out of a vaccine. So someone has a heart attack the day, week or month after the vaccine and anti vaxxers blame it on the vaccine and lodge an adverse event report.
        
        Parents every day lodge adverse event reports following measles vaccination. Of course 99 percent of these adverse events are coincidental.
        
        Let it go.
        
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        October 20, 2024 7:12pm
    - freemark
      
      Benedict fights very hard to protect the official narrative, and the figures given by those with much to lose. His head might explode otherwise.
      
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      October 20, 2024 7:00pm
- MCōs
  
  I’ve noticed people that are using walking sticks too, but only since I broke my femur last year and started using one myself
  One guy in particular, a Maori with a moko. I said his stick looked like it was one of those ones with a sword inside. He told me he’d left that one at home
  
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  October 20, 2024 12:27pm
- cmm
  
  I expect this is for self defence.
  
  While it is illegal to carry something for the purpose of using it as a weapon in NZ, it is not illegal to press into service something you have on you for some other purpose (eg. a walking stick, baseball bat, shotgun…).
  
  If you’re strolling around Wellington with a shotgun or a baseball bat it’s going to be tough to convince anyone it was for other purposes (unless you just happened to be coming home from a baseball game or duck hunting).
  
  PS: This is not legal advice.
  
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  October 20, 2024 1:40pm
  - Colville
    
    Obviously you can not carry a loaded shotgun in public.
    You need to have a legitimate reason to carry even a pocket knife.. It’s going to be pretty hard to convince a jury you were carrying a concealed sword to clean your fingernails!
    Carrying a weapon shows intent to use it… and then you are fucked!
    
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    October 20, 2024 1:48pm
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    That’s why I always carry my 9 iron.
    
    Just in case I feel the need to work on my swing
    
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    October 20, 2024 3:43pm
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Nine iron did the job for Elin.
      
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1239225/Tiger-Woodss-wife-Elin-battered-iron-caught-texting-mistress.html
      
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      October 20, 2024 4:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Is my steering wheel lock stored under my driver seat OK?
    It is there for a reason. Locks the steering wheel of course.
    
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    October 20, 2024 5:16pm
- Ghost
  
  From your observation you have determined they have long covid? Have you asked any of them why they are using a walking stick?
  
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  October 20, 2024 7:04pm
- BeaB
  
  I don’t have a limp, injury or illness but often use a walking stick when I am out walking especially in unfamiliar areas as there are so many things to stumble and trip over and the stick gives me confidence and better balance.
  I am always amazed how some people have so much time to closely observe the habits of others and draw wild conclusions.
  
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  October 21, 2024 10:18am
Flossie

Congratulations to Team NZ! Great to have won again.
Perhaps there would be more enthusiasm for the event if it had been held here. Or at least in a place where timing made viewing it live a reaonable possibility.
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October 20, 2024 8:10am
- Colville
  
  YouTube makes it live anytime you want to watch.
  But a course where passing was possible would have made it slightly interesting, the finish line may as well have been at the first mark.
  
  Incredible tech tho. 40kts in a 8kt breeze.
  
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  October 20, 2024 8:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is incredible. My boat does 40/42 knots and I have 140 hp.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:02am
  - Flossie
    
    “Live” to me means at the actual time it’s happening.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:41am
    - Interested Party
      
      It gets transmitted live on YouTube, I watched live this morning
      
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      October 20, 2024 12:11pm
      - Flossie
        
        Not arguing that it wasn’t available live. It was also available on a free to air channel.
        I was talking about the timing of the event which makes watching live difficult.
        
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        October 20, 2024 1:54pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Flossie, 2am? start? Cancelled – no wind. Next race.
        I watched it live. Speaker of the house was not impressed, until I brought her tea and biscuits 🙂
        
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        October 20, 2024 5:22pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Flossie It was transmitted live at
      
      https://www.americascup.com/
      
      Easily found with google!!!!!!!!!!!!
      
      or via the stuff.co.nz link
      
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      October 20, 2024 4:16pm
    - AitchW
      
      Flossie you could watch it live on TV3, 3Now or YouTube.
      
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      October 20, 2024 8:28pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Colville: I am not a sailor, but I am aware that until quite recently, it was impossible to sail just off the wind any faster than the wind speed. These craft are truly incredible- even more of a contrast with monohulls of the past than between formula one cars of 50 years ago versus today.
    
    Is that graciousless prick Dennis Conner still alive does anyone know? If so he won’t be able to believe the contrast between the foiling yachts and those of his day – and that’s only less than 40 years ago.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:59am
    - Colville
      
      DG.
      He is alive…so you cant book a flight just yet to piss on his grave.
      Tho I fear there would be quite a line for that honour!
      
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      October 20, 2024 12:12pm
    - rangitoto
      
      He is. He spends some of his time making podcasts complaining about the modern Americas Cup boats. He likes the lead mines of old.
      
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      October 20, 2024 3:33pm
    - Ghost
      
      https://www.youtube.com/@DennisConner5
      
      His podcasts.
      
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      October 20, 2024 3:43pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Dennis Conner was fun, although in the Courts he was serious.
      Bruce Farr commented, but I will not repeat it.
      I think Conner is still at the nonsense – the boat is not in the water so it is flying. Yes it is, flying very fast – until it drops it’s guts in the water and can’t get back up on the foils.
      Happens to all teams.
      
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      October 20, 2024 5:29pm
    - AitchW
      
      DG the sail technology is truly impressive. All to do with Bernoullis theorem. It’s what makes aeroplanes fly and yachts sail really fast upwind.
      It’s also really hard for we mere mortals to grasp!
      
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      October 20, 2024 8:30pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Not Bernoulli. I used to think it was too.
        
        Try “The Simple Science of Flight From Insects to Jumbo Jets” revised and expanded edition Henk Tennekes. Written in reasonably understandable English and published by MIT Press.
        
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        October 21, 2024 9:19am
- Cassandra
  
  Well done Team. Although it’s not really yachting, is it? I suppose a parallel would be comparing F1 with stock car racing. It’ll never come back to NZ.
  
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  October 20, 2024 8:21am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Sailors riding bikes instead of hoisting sails. Boring.
    
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    October 20, 2024 8:25am
    - kevn
      
      iam… Here’s a tip, don’t watch.
      
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      October 20, 2024 9:49am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Thankyou kevin, will do.
        
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        October 20, 2024 10:41am
    - Local Miller
      
      It sounds like you aren’t a yachty. As an avid sailor with 18 years in sailing boats, and knowing a significant number of other yachties, I can assure you this is sailing.
      There are only 4 cyclores (bike riders). The other 4 crew are 2 helms men and 2 trimmers managing the sailing. All the cyclores do is provide the power that drives the sail trim. Would you be OK with them having batteries to provide the power?
      Think about what the 4 sailer are doing. They are balancing the wind against a 7 ton 47m yacht and the resistance of the water, keeping it moving and balanced on 2 points, and all at 30-40+ knots.
      It’s enough work doing this in my 40ft 9 ton displacement yacht at 8 – 9 knots, with a ton of lead helping and giving resistance.
      While this may be considered the Formula-1 of sailing, would anyone say that Formula-1 isn’t driving a motor car?
      
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      October 20, 2024 11:02am
      - Colville
        
        All the cyclores do is provide the power that drives the sail trim.
        
        and hydraulic power for raise/lower foil arms, move rudder etc surely?
        
        Those foils must take incredible energy to stabilise.
        
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        October 20, 2024 12:15pm
      - Cassandra
        
        I first sailed a Frostbite in 1954. My point is that a keeler and a small yacht of the type of my childhood were sailed in much the same way. The hi-tech of the Cup is way different and out of my league. I think the comparison with F1 is apt. Theoretically it’s driving a car. I can drive a car; I couldn’t drive an F1. The Cup boats are technical marvels.
        
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        October 20, 2024 12:36pm
      - Local Miller
        
        I agree 100% that the AC yachts are like F-1, and way out of my ability. What I object to is people saying it’s “not sailing”. Yes, it’s sailing at a different level, but it’s definitely still sailing, just like driving a Formula-1 is driving at a different level.
        As an aside, I’m a qualified YNZ Sailing Instructor and have several years experience training teenagers sailing and competition sailing. Not match sailing which has some slight differences to what most competitions run, but for competition none the less.
        
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        October 20, 2024 1:03pm
      - rockape
        
        Maybe the designs would change if we went back to the original rules. One race, New York to the Solent I don’t think these designs would get far!
        
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        October 20, 2024 1:08pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “and hydraulic power for raise/lower foil arms, move rudder etc surely?”
        
        No. That is done using batteries. The cyclors only provide power for trimming the sails.
        
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        October 20, 2024 3:36pm
    - peterwn
      
      Old fashioned sailing ships had similar devices although they were hand rather than foot operated and did not have gear boxes.
      
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      October 20, 2024 11:55am
    - NothingLeft
      
      The cyclors are a silly and overly complex waste of money. could be replaced by a few $hundred in batteries and electric motors simplify the yachts significantly and save campaigns millions (as well as freeing up helmsmen to maneuver more in pre-starts)
      
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      October 20, 2024 12:34pm
      - CJames
        
        That replacing with batteries and electric motors would ruin it. The fact they have a very limited supply of both power and energy that needs constant recharging means it makes the sailing more complex as the skippers have to be aware of the limitations on their maneuvering. Automate it all and have unlimited power does away with the human skill. Might as well be a computer game.
        
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        October 20, 2024 1:26pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    How many times do you have to win it to be renamed “New Zealand’s Cup”?
    
    After the disgraceful way Dalts was treated by the Govt/MBIE, he’d need a very good reason to consider it here ever again.
    
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    October 20, 2024 8:28am
    - AitchW
      
      Let bygones be bygones. With a more business friendly government you never know.
      Having said that I’ll bet the Saudis are eyeing it up.
      Would all the teams want to sail in the Middle East?
      
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      October 20, 2024 10:10am
      - Colville
        
        Would anyone go watch it when you cant have a beer??
        
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        October 20, 2024 12:43pm
      - Greenbanana
        
        Me thinks Dalton will go to whoever pays him the most money. As proven by the decision to race in Barcelona
        
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        October 20, 2024 12:58pm
    - AitchW
      
      Kiwi kids, it’s named after the boat which won the first match not the country.
      Leave it as it is, I love the tradition.
      
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      October 20, 2024 10:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    NZ just can’t finance it to hold here. Govt and Council gouging for all they can get.
    The technology required is unreal. And the number of people on the immediate team.
    See how quick they sprang into action when the boat got holed on the cradle? The glass laminate mat and resin was out ready to go before final decisions had been made. Specialist tradesmen. Like little ants, they came from nowhere.
    Today I see one team member had his red socks on. It worked!
    
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    October 20, 2024 8:34am
    - MCōs
      
      Taxpayers & ratepayers combined to fork out a combined quarter of a billion dollars last time it was held in Auckland
      
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      October 20, 2024 9:42am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        How much did the Council grab in Rates for all of the sheds and properties around the viaduct/Wynyard? Millions? Then there is vehicles and trailer parking.
        Then the Govt gets all of that Tax on the petrol used by spectator boats. Then there is all of the GST from the restaurants and hotel accommodation.
        Quarter of a billion – sounds big. $250 million. The Council and Govt made a killing.
        
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        October 20, 2024 10:18am
      - AitchW
        
        SO and the boatyards, boat builders, sail lofts, chandlers, provedors and brothels all made a killing. Not to mention hotels, tour companies, bars, restaurants, gyms, jewellers, and god knows who else.
        They all pay GST, their employees pay tax, their suppliers pay GST, this event is good for NZ.
        
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        October 20, 2024 8:37pm
      - Ghost
        
        The last time it was held in nz the country had a slight problem called covid. Auckland was at level 3
        
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        October 20, 2024 9:08pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    They are incredible machines but it is not the same as the old days.
    
    This is a short clip on the celebration it of New Zealand winning the 1995 Cup.
    
    https://youtu.be/Vhk-VSrk3vY?si=IIxtZfdc7mVQDtDJ
    
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    October 20, 2024 8:51am
    - Flossie
      
      So many things are not like the old days. Sometimes that’s sad but sometimes it’s for the better. But I know what you mean about the boats.
      
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      October 20, 2024 8:56am
      - AitchW
        
        They’re amazing to watch. The old days of floundering around at 4 knots in 12m boats are gone. Foiling is the thing now. Everything on the water foils.
        I for one can’t wait for Sail GP off Wynyard Wharf on the new t foils. We have our tickets secure in the knowledge that the race won’t be cancelled because there’s a dolphin somewhere in the harbour.
        Hats off to ETNZ, to Grant Dalton and to Barcelona for a seamless regatta. What a ride! Arise Sir Grant, arise Sir Peter (Burling) .
        
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        October 20, 2024 9:13am
    - Swifty
      
      Just an observation from a distinct land lubber (absolutely not a complaint) that there is some drama missing these days in the sailors not being visible going about their business, racing from one side of the boat to the other etc and the furling and unfurling of spinnakers etc like the old days.
      
      It all seems a bit drama-less with everyone hidden and I’d add the real issue that in the huge majority of races whomever is leading at the first mark will go on to win the race.
      
      Not sure what they can do about that, but it certainly reduces it as a competitive spectacle.
      
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      October 20, 2024 10:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Things have changed since 1912 International twelve foot sailing dinghy racing.
      Now we have board sailing on foils.
      
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      October 20, 2024 10:22am
    - cmm
      
      Even the 1995 race was not like the old days.
      
      1995 was the start of the fancy keels where computer modelling played a major part in the NZ win.
      
      I had the opportunity to visit the NZ team in San Deigo, accompanying someone high up in NZ sailing circles so we managed to get into areas the public couldn’t. They didn’t let us go everywhere though.
      
      While the Team USA had JPL (NASA) and Boeing available to do their computer modelling, Team NZ had a huge benefit – they had their computer modelling people on site. That allowed them to iterate models much faster than sending them off to JPL.
      
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      October 20, 2024 10:23am
  - Grumpy Silver Top
    
    Cassandra, listening to the chat on board the boats takes me right back to my yacht racing days. The craft may look different but they still ride the wind and water as sailing boats have always done.
    
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    October 20, 2024 9:06am
    - Cassandra
      
      Indeed, and very skilled sailors they are.
      
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      October 20, 2024 9:59am
    - gravedodger
      
      Well said GST, my very limited racing in sail boats has me with enough understanding to really appreciate that on board chatter.
      Made the Jesus Christ bit very appropriate. it was really that close, wonder how long to reinstate a foil probably a bit quicker than patching that crane damage?
      
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      October 20, 2024 10:41am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        There would be spare foils and foil arms ready to use. Same with rudders.
        
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        October 20, 2024 12:09pm
      - Ghost
        
        You’d hope to not break it, each team was only allowed a limited number of foils
        
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        October 20, 2024 12:21pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    No, no, no Mr. Hipkins has said he is going to get it back. All we have to do is vote for him next time around……..
    
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    October 20, 2024 9:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    By stock car racing, do you mean V8s around a shit mud track in NZ – or “Stock Cars” meaning cars from the factory not modified?
    Stock used to mean ‘original.’
    
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    October 20, 2024 5:33pm
- mandk
  
  I don’t imagine it would ever hapoen, but I think Wellington Harbour would be great for viewing.
  
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  October 20, 2024 8:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not big enough. At least in Auckland there is room for multiple courses depending on the wind.
    Oh yeah, like Barcelona, Auckland has no dolphins.//
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:25am
- Handyman
  
  Exactly.
  Proponents say having it in Auckland will boost tourism with millions being able to watch. “It will put Auckland on the map”. “Lift spirits”.
  
  NO. It is an obscure event on the other side of the world in the wrong time zone. If in Auckland there will be fewer contestants due to cost and lack of sponsors (see above re number of viewers).
  If in Auckland it will be a boring expensive event.
  
  Speaking of boring, how many times was the leader at the first mark NOT the eventual winner?
  
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  October 20, 2024 8:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What do you mean wrong time zone? Barcelona racing starts around 2am our time.
    If it is so boring, then why watch?
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:30am
    - Handyman
      
      Hi Steve,
      My comment was in response to Flossie, who said more people in New Zealand would have watched but it was in the wrong time zone for us.
      My point was that a future Auckland regatta is in the wrong time zone for European audiences, and thus sponsors.
      Re boring: a general point is that some sports are more interesting the more one knows about it, and less so to the initiated. Cricket is the classic example.
      
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      October 20, 2024 2:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        There are some Cities that never sleep.
        
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        October 20, 2024 5:35pm
- Paulus
  
  Agreed well done, but who will pay the sort of money they have been assured in other parts of the World and some other possible contenders have said New Zealand is too far away from the real world.
  Barcelona did a great job, but the Arabs will pay more for the limelight.
  
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  October 20, 2024 8:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The possible contenders have been to NZ before.
    Even the spectator superyachts come here on a submersible ship.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:32am
    - Quail
      
      Noted all the glee for the Americas cup win.
      Just a thought,
      This win has been paid for largely by the struggling NZ taxpayer.
      How much have NZ tourism / other NZ industries benefited from this win?
      (Noted already a downturn in NZ cruise ships this year. Had the cup been competed for here maybe not?)
      NZ taxpayer investments need much better targeting , and a robust public cost benefit analysis.
      I am not sure that this real achievement meets the above criteria.
      
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      October 20, 2024 7:40pm
      - Ghost
        
        Downturn in cruise ships is due to P&O Cruises Australia closing down.
        
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        October 20, 2024 8:00pm
- freemark
  
  It couldn’t be held here unless all the boats had “diverse” crews, rainbow coloured sails, dolphin protection, and a compulsory Te Reo commentary, blessing, koha etc. NZ is fucked, Cindy et al could only do it because so many idiots swallowed the Covid & Jab narrative – against the science, the data & the evidence. Well done – idiots.
  
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  October 20, 2024 7:09pm
Grunter

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Attempted assassination attempt on Netanyahu. Israel would be better off without him. Although, just like Hamas, you take out one warmongering leader and you just get another one. Meanwhile thousands more innocent civilians will die in coming days as Israel bombs the crap out of Iran and tit-for-tat escalates.
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October 20, 2024 8:15am
- Notsofast
  
  I am no expert, but I assume the war New Zealand foreign policy has been calling for would have guaranteed the safety of Sinwar.
  Instead he is dead.
  
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  October 20, 2024 9:50am
- Gin and Sonic
  
  Iran is the proxy agitator of the ME trying to set up a state-within-a-state in Yemen funding and arming the rebel Houthis, Iraq ,where Iran’s dreaded IRGC Quds forces aided the brutal Assad regime, Lebanon via Hezbollah and Gaza via Hamas.
  
  Iran wants a Islamic Caliphate and its proxies of Hamas and Hezbollah have the evisceration of Jews and Israel, with Christians next, as part of their glorious long-term plan for ‘world peace’ under the loving embrace of Allah.
  
  Hamas and Hezbollah have well publicised and readily available Charters to read on-line but yet I have barely met a soul who has taken the opportunity to read them and to see with their own eyes and brains who Hamas and Hezbollah are telling you who they are and their end goals.
  
  And yet here we are….with Useful Idiots of the West telling us Israel, who is defending not just itself but taking out the garbage for the West, that it is the problem?
  
  The latest Iranian outreach is to Venezuela where the failed Marxist regime is in cahoots with Iran to hook into the lucrative drug cartel networks to smuggle cash, drugs and weapons.
  
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  October 20, 2024 12:09pm
- Scott
  
  My dear Grunter. You wrote 4 sentences. The first one was factual. Then in 3 sentences you wrote 3 wrong things. That’s a trifecta of wrongness.
  
  -Israel would not be better off without Netanyahu. He’s the only guy who would stand up to American pressure to cease fire and essentially surrender.
  – Israel are not warmongers. They want to live in peace with their neighbours. The problem is their neighbors, Hamas are founded on the view that Israel must be destroyed.
  – civilians are dying as sadly happens in war. However Israel is doing their best to minimise civilian casualties while Hamas is doing their best to maximise them.
  
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  October 20, 2024 12:27pm
  - Grunter
    
    Thx Scott for your reply. A worthwhile debate to have and I’d encourage the other 32 down tickers to enter the counter debate to my post (that’s what KB is all about IMO).
    
    My “trifecta of wrongness” the Netanyahu comment is obviously my opinion and open to debate. #2 is barely debatable at all, if Netanyahu is taken out the next Israeli leader will continue to fight with all his neighbours, almost certain.
    #3 – it’s happening now with Hamas, Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, and almost certainly about to go up another level when (not if) Israel bombs Iran. So that one can’t even be argued against in any serious manner.
    
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    October 20, 2024 2:45pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Scott. You are of course entitled to your opinion.
    You have a different take on things than Grunter.
    
    Its called differences of opinion.
    
    Grunter is not wrong. He just has opinions you dont agree with
    
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    October 20, 2024 4:25pm
Colville

I am going to be forced to watch test cricket this afternoon…. 😱. Chance to beat India in India!
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October 20, 2024 8:18am
- MCōs
  
  Rain forecast, unfortunately, which is bad news on two fronts. If it’s raining, there’s no cricket and when it stops batting seems to be difficulty.
  Those Indian crowds sure make a racket when their boys are doing OK, and that includes our main man Rachin whose family lives in that town.
  
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  October 20, 2024 9:56am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    His family? His family came from there to NZ
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:48am
    - MCōs
      
      His extended family, I should have said
      
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      October 20, 2024 1:03pm
      - Colville
        
        Whanau 😁
        
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        October 20, 2024 1:51pm
kevn

Americas Cup… Interesting to note that Grant Dalton is much more low profile this time around.
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October 20, 2024 8:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He has other racing on hit plate. The Youth Americas Cup, the Women’s Americas Cup, AC40s, Sail GP. He is involved in many ways.
  
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  October 20, 2024 10:40am
Flossie

Last night I deliberately (although it’s popular to say “accidentally “) watched TV1 news at 6. This was because I was very interested to know if something was actually going to be mentioned. It was, but that’s not my point.
My point is that they’ve totally given up calling this country by it’s proper name and several times referred to that A place, without even adding New Zealand. This is not what the majority want.
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October 20, 2024 8:23am
- Gravelroad
  
  The previous government told the media what to say and do. And paid them.
  Interesting that even though the money has dried up, TV1 hasn’t been willing or able to move on and recognise that times have changed.
  
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  October 20, 2024 8:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Infested with activists now.
    
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    October 20, 2024 9:21am
  - Burtland
    
    The narrative wont change until they prune woke management from all government agencies.
    
    Musk showed how to do it with woke Twitter – it required an epiphany on Musks part to achieve this – and a brutal restructure Roger Douglas style.
    
    Labours calamity seems to be dawning on Willis – not sure about la-de-dah Luxo.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They will die by their sword
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:49am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The majority does not matter to the elite.
  
  I commented a couple of days ago on a job advertisement for a large government agency. To be successful, one of the criteria was “a commitment to embed te ao Maori into everything we do.” 😳
  
  I am confident in my judgement that this absolutism has occurred after the election of the current government. Why don’t they stop it?
  
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  October 20, 2024 8:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Luxon is why.
    
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    October 20, 2024 8:41am
    - AitchW
      
      SO I’m not so sure. I think it’s more to do with a woke and hostile public service.
      How many times have government departments been told to stop all the superfluous Maori stuff and ignored their instructions?
      Time for a few heads to roll.
      
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      October 20, 2024 10:38am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I agree. Some may think that the Public Service is ignoring instructions from the Government. They are mistaken.
      
      Has the public service been instructed to:
      
      – stop conducting Maori prayers (or any prayers), and pressuring staff into such?
      
      – apply the scientific method to analysis and to not use te ao Maori in analysis on mainstream public policy issues?
      
      – stop the intensive mixing of the English and maori language in all written communications?
      
      – stop requiring job applicants to be “on a te ao Maori journey”.
      
      NO to all of them. The Government has issued no such instructions to the public service. If it did so, clearly and without any room for ambiguity, it would all stop.
      
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      October 20, 2024 10:46am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        No they are not incorrect, the physical guy saying go soft on Māori has had to change his mind because Collin’s spoke, she said no race is immune, so stop suggesting the government is doing this, they do not write job adverts
        
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        October 20, 2024 10:57am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        And do you think anything would change if Willis or Bishop or Stanford were in charge?
        
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        October 20, 2024 11:59am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “the physical guy saying go soft on Māori..”?????????
        
        You are wrong. It is not about job ads. It is about the approach to analysis and communications.
        
        I listed four instructions that need to be issued to achieve change. Which of these have been issued?
        
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        October 20, 2024 12:22pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “And do you think anything would change if Willis or Bishop or Stanford were in charge?”
        
        No of course not. My point is that the blame for the mess that is the non secular public service, ridden with mystic analysis and pagan prayers, lies squarely with the Government.
        
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        October 20, 2024 12:24pm
  - Grumpy Silver Top
    
    The wheels of bureaucracy grind exceeding slow. Apologies to Charles Dickens.
    
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    October 20, 2024 9:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Just a thought experiment. We are told that it is important that government agencies reflect the diversity of the population. How many folk in New Zealand get up each morning, committing to “embed te ao Maori” in everything they do that day? How many folk could even tell you what it would look like?
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:32am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I get up each morning & say a rosary & Morning Prayer of the Church. I think that would exclude me from requiring “te ao Maori” in anything that I do. 😆
      
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      October 20, 2024 11:04am
    - David Garrett
      
      How many folk could even tell you what it would look like?
      
      A minor point Bene, but I absolutely hate that phrase “what it would look like”. Where did it come from? I recall the Princess using it ad infinitum at every possible opportunity. Did she invent it? Still not as bad as “unpacking” this or that, meaning to explain, or elucidate in more detail.
      
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      October 20, 2024 11:13am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes a very minor point David. 😃
        
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        October 20, 2024 4:28pm
      - AitchW
        
        DG she had a number of linguistic tics that grated. For me the really triggering one was having a ‘conversation’ when she meant a discussion.
        It really epitomised her need to appear nice and kind.
        When she first appeared on the political scene I thought that she was reasonably intelligent. It was only when she was given the top job that I realised that she only seemed intelligent because of the morons surrounding her…
        And no, I never voted for her!
        
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        October 20, 2024 4:59pm
  - Burtland
    
    the democratic majority are seen as the “river of filth” by the woke elite
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:45am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Oh god here we go again. Last week people on here were saying Luxon is telling judges to go light on Māori criminals, only for Collin’s to come out and say this is not a directive from government and she is not happy about it, the fool that delivered the ruling late on Friday says he is sorry and that has been torn up and will see a new directive in January, so like this issue you mention, this will be f see one asshole that is going Labours dirty previous work, no one from this government has pushed this shit, so sick of this government getting blamed for utter crap, do you really think peters and Seymour would agree to this? No they would not, they have to cut these line wolves out, and I have pointed to smacked hands of one last week
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:55am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      the fool that delivered the ruling late on Friday says he is sorry and that has been torn up and will see a new directive in January
      
      Una Jagose is a female.
      
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      October 20, 2024 11:15am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        So, I was unsure, but she has recanted her briefing after Collin’s stated this is not government policy and no race has the right over others, so not a directive by government as fools were saying last week
        
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        October 20, 2024 11:51am
      - Paulus
        
        Was Jagose not once an adherent of some very left wing political party ?
        
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        October 20, 2024 1:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think you are confusing Cheryl Gwyn with Una Jagose
        
        https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/08/15/gwyn-a15.html
        
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        October 20, 2024 3:06pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I think you mean “Collins”. I have no idea what that tirade means.
      
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      October 20, 2024 4:30pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Lets wait for the New Public service boss(Sir Brian Roche) to take up the reins next month.!!!!
    
    He hopefully will sort out the woke crap having been appointed by the Coalition politicians.
    
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    October 20, 2024 4:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The TV1 dickheads need to be told it is “Emerates Team New Zealand.”
  
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  October 20, 2024 8:39am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Which they will ignore. Then what?
    
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    October 20, 2024 8:43am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Then they will continue to enjoy small audience numbers, lower advertising revenue and their existence will be more vulnerable. They will complain about the difficulties with competing against global television, internet companies etc. But in reality they are in a demise largely if their own making.
      
      If they ran a mainstream company, aimed at appealing to the masses, without activist content and a balanced newsroom, they would enjoy a massive increase in viewership. The public at large would be better served and a handful of activists would be put back into the shadows where they belong.
      
      The biggest problem is that they get tax funded so have bureaucratic webs and safety nets to hold them on their path to destruction.
      
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      October 20, 2024 9:05am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        TV1 is driven by commercial revenues. Tax payers have only funded it inital capital.
        
        As such it is tax payer owned but not tax payer funded day to day. Small but important distinction.
        
        The Govt should sell it thereby removing its implicit Govt guarantee.. Its terms of trade and financing would chamge quickly I suspect and commercial reality would bite much harder… Leading to going broke or taking a politically neutral line…. No entity of TVNZ can sustain 35 million dolar losses for long…..
        
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        October 20, 2024 10:35am
  - Greenbanana
    
    Who the hell is Emerates
    
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    October 20, 2024 1:20pm
- amospicton
  
  And pretty much every segment was a hit job on the government. An acquaintance was on the recent trade mission and in his view the press hate the government. Can’t even abide being in the same room. That’s OK if it’s a private business but TVNZ is publicly owned. It really needs to be scrupulously neutral.
  
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  October 20, 2024 8:45am
  - pdm
    
    `…………….TVNZ is publicly owned. It really needs to be scrupulously neutral.’
    
    Instead amos TVNZ is unscrupulously biased.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:39am
    - Paulus
      
      Change its name to TVAotaroa and every body will be satisfied !
      
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      October 20, 2024 1:23pm
  - gravedodger
    
    Just as the ABC is In Aus, NOT and they are funded to over one billion AU dollars a year just waiting to kick Duttons mob at every opportunity.
    Conservative inclined Parties must be Masochists.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:47am
    - Flossie
      
      The Australian BC is unashamedly pro Labor and never miss a chance to put down the Coalition.
      
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      October 20, 2024 10:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It really needs to be scrupulously neutral.
    
    Hubby & I watch the intro promo of the 6 o’clock TV one news and quickly switch to TV3 in case some real news is to be reported… within 3-4 mins we’ve invariably switched back to CNTV to watch some aspect of China’s history, culture, or landscapes.
    
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    October 20, 2024 11:00am
- Paulus
  
  It appears that TVNZ for one, had done away with the name New Zealand almost totally now in every comment-
  I assume this is a deliberate act to tell the Government ( and the people who elected to vote them in) where to go, as they did not elect them via their media.
  Sherman is the worse currently, overdoing Tova by a mile, and will one day get her uppance.
  
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  October 20, 2024 8:53am
- Grizz
  
  I do not understand why a media backer doesn’t start their own news show that calls the country New Zealand, uses the the proper place names, uses language we can all understand and provides balanced reporting. If they did there may be an audience.
  
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  October 20, 2024 9:26am
  - Grunter
    
    It’s called The Platform
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:19am
  - lifesgood
    
    There used to be Sky News NZ but they pulled out…probably too small an audience.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:26am
  - AitchW
    
    Grizz I reckon they might struggle to get talent to front the show. Luvvies are wokesters.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:40am
  - Burtland
    
    media backers have – they paid $1 and its still not clear whos funding them – but an apology to maori for racism and calling NZ aotearoa might be a hint
    
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/stuff-maori-apology-intl-scli/index.html
    
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    October 20, 2024 11:55am
- greybeard
  
  Try this for size:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350450131/towns-battling-over-english-or-maori-names
  Several references to the “A”-word, no “New Zealand”, liberal sprinkling of random maori words: what are these MSM people trying to prove ?
  I suspect this constant maorification actually turns people off reading the articles.
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:07am
Benedict Yu

For those intro cricket New Zealand need 107 runs to beat India in the first test.

Also the New Zealand women have made it to the final of the T20 world cup. 😃
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October 20, 2024 8:42am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  With the new ball playing a few tricks now (and it’s bound to turn for their spinners), it’s not a lay down misere that NZ will get those 107.
  
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  October 20, 2024 8:51am
  - pdm
    
    Yep I remember when NZ struggled to get 11o (I think) against Pakistan in Hamilton – were we 9 down?
    
    Mind you Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram were a notch or two better than Indias current pair of Bumrah and Siraj. Good and all as Bumrah is.
    
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    October 20, 2024 9:45am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No, they lost that game by 30 runs as I remember, and that was in nz
      
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      October 20, 2024 11:00am
  - Colville
    
    In Vino
    Cricinfo…which is totally biased towards India…was saying at 150 it would be a fight… so at 107 I am picking we are odds on to take it.
    
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    October 20, 2024 9:59am
- mandk
  
  India blew it badly after being in 400+ for 3.
  
  A collapse by the Black Caps is not altogether impossible, but Black Caps to win by 4 wickets?
  
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  October 20, 2024 8:52am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    If India had set 160 to win instead of 107, I think that it would now have been even odds.
    
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    October 20, 2024 9:42am
  - pdm
    
    m&k – just needs one batsman to get 50 plus.
    
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    October 20, 2024 9:46am
    - mandk
      
      Just like the Indian batsmen did in their first innings?
      
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      October 20, 2024 12:47pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The new ball showed who was master, Douthee bowled very well with the new ball, he broke the huge partnership, he lifted the other bowlers who then finished the game off, Southee gets a lot of stick but he bowled well in both innings, and his 65 on Friday was great to watch
    
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    October 20, 2024 11:03am
  - pdm
    
    m&k we were probably 100 runs short too.
    
    Good bowling but Conway, Mitchell, Blundell and Phillips were all soft dismissals.
    
    I wish they would give away that bloody reverse slog and play good balls in the V. You do not have to score off every ball in test matches.
    
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    October 20, 2024 11:40am
- Cassandra
  
  Massive if the B Caps win. Who’d have thought? ✔️✔️🇳🇿
  
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  October 20, 2024 9:02am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    TAB odds on a New Zealand win were $7 at the start of the match.
    
    IIRC the New Zealand women were paying $23 to win the T20 world cup.
    
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    October 20, 2024 9:18am
    - MCōs
      
      At the start of the Women’s CWC only a fool would have put money on NZ reaching the final, or India being out for their lowest score at home in 581 tests since the game was invented
      
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      October 20, 2024 10:13am
      - AitchW
        
        Yeeeeeeeeah, nothing suspect about India collapsing like that. Might be a few bookies with fatter wallets as a result. And Indian batsmen. I hope not!
        
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        October 20, 2024 10:42am
      - gravedodger
        
        Anyone who put a hundy on the chicks will not feel any foolishness when they collect their $2300.
        As for the hundy that is what they do .
        
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        October 20, 2024 10:52am
      - pdm
        
        Between the two Indian innings 17 wickets for exactly 100 runs.
        
        Good bowling or bad batting?
        
        Good bowling and catching in the first dig but, that wicket looked easy at 400/4 – I turned it off when Rahul came in. A bad call on my behalf.
        
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        October 20, 2024 11:44am
      - MCōs
        
        I turned the tv off and went to bed when Pant was on 99. At that stage they were 77 ahead.
        How was I to know 29 runs later their innings would be over?
        
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        October 20, 2024 1:36pm
Scooter

I think this story is more a hit job on Luxon than a warning to to morons that still trust their money with dodgy online outfits. It jus beggars belief that people are still this gullible.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pensioner-loses-224k-after-being-tricked-by-ai-deepfake-christopher-luxon-cryptocurrency-investment-scam/YLG3EQMOAZATVARBL5ITDRL2DA/
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October 20, 2024 8:45am
- peterwn
  
  And it is so easy to check. Simply phone Parliament and ask someone in the PM’s office to confirm whether it is dinkum. They won’t bite the caller’s head off.
  
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  October 20, 2024 12:18pm
  - gravedodger
    
    That will not work in Canberra, Credlin gave a very interesting summary for anyone wishing to contact Albanese’s office, no chance and anyone getting frustrated must watch their language as the saga included a dire warning of a visit by the Federal Police.
    
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    October 20, 2024 5:29pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  100% hit job
  
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  October 20, 2024 2:31pm
- Matt Long
  
  I’m sorry the lady has lost her money, and her story should be a warning to others, but anyone who trusts a politician or news reader to guarantee the fidelity of an investment should reflect on the proverb about fools and money.
  
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  October 20, 2024 5:34pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And she did herself no favours by telling porkies to the TSB when they queried her withdrawals:
    
    TSB told the Herald Creasy had authorised each transaction. When queried about her using term deposit funds, Creasy told staff the money was needed for a “family matter”.
    
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    October 20, 2024 6:57pm
Yvette

Death, mana and Peter Ellis: lawyer Natalie Coates – the Afterlife of Peter Ellis

Was the shift from a Western concept – “that a person reputation became a legacy after death and if wronged in life, it should be corrected even after death as a simple act of human decency” – to the introduction of a matter of tikanga, a cultural misappropriation (of Ellis’s culture) and a chance to spread that through the legal system, in a way that uses and may actually further demean Peter Ellis’ reputation?

• The notion that tikanga could apply to Pākeha as well as Māori would be a profound development. The Supreme Court would be signalling that arguments based on concepts like hara (wrongs) and mana or utu could be expected in almost any realm of the law. Strangely, this pivotal moment was reached almost by chance — a result of the evolution of our Supreme Court and the hidden process by which justices are chosen.

… for the most part, a person’s legal endeavours end with their death. New Zealand’s Solicitor-General Una Jagose QC was explaining why the Crown didn’t believe Ellis should be an exception when she was interrupted by Justice Susan Glazebrook.
“[Perhaps] if you could address the tikanga aspects of this,” Glazebrook said. “Because as we know . . . those sort of issues in respect of miscarriages of justice, and obviously collective but as well as individual cases, have a profound effect right through the generations.”

Jagose rumbled on with her prepared remarks without addressing the question. But then Justice Joe Williams, the Supreme Court’s first Māori judge, broke in. The idea that a person has no reputation to protect after death is “quite a western idea”, he ruminated. “In a tikanga context,” he went on, after death “an ancestor has even more reputation to protect, is more tapu, has more mana.”
https://northandsouth.co.nz/2021/07/27/peter-ellis-tikanga/

So the tikanga aspect was suggested (far as I can see) by the Supreme Court Judges – Justice Susan Glazebrook and Justice Joe Williams, the Supreme Court’s first Māori judge.

• Ellis, however, was Pākehā. Now, Glazebrook and Williams were asking whether his effort to clear his name should be allowed to go ahead because of the implications for his mana — which, according to Māori custom, endures and fluctuates in both life and death.
“I would appreciate an opportunity to think about that point, which it’s quite clear I haven’t thought through,” said Jagose.

She wasn’t the only one who seemed to be caught off guard. Justice Terence Arnold suggested that if the court were to apply tikanga in the Ellis case, he would like to understand the implications for other areas of the law. “For myself, I have not the faintest idea what the answer to that is,” he said.
The Supreme Court gave the two legal teams five weeks to prepare a response. The underlying questions were so complex that five weeks turned into seven months.
https://northandsouth.co.nz/2021/07/27/peter-ellis-tikanga/.

– seven months to prepare ~~a Trojan Horse~~ a Tikanga Hoiho, using (or again abusing) Peter Ellis
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October 20, 2024 9:03am
- gravedodger
  
  Is it just me that sees a bit of an oddity that it is the female justices and uncle Joe Williams leading out on Tikanga and other rewriting of our legal system?
  
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  October 20, 2024 10:54am
  - Paulus
    
    Look at how Helen Clark cancelled the Privy Council and put her own people in charge of the Supreme Court and that has not changed.
    
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    October 20, 2024 1:27pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  using (or again abusing) Peter Ellis
  
  Indeed.
  
  The NZ Justice system is NEVER going to admit that they stitched Peter Ellis up from the get-go.
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:07am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Correct, and the use of his dead white body to introduce a precedence for tikanga as a legal term was no less than ideological necrophilia.?
    
    They must have had a good giggle amongst themselves after that wee watershed. Sickening.
    
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    October 20, 2024 3:37pm
- Burtland
  
  Jagose, Glazebrook and Williams being kind
  
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  October 20, 2024 12:04pm
- NothingLeft
  
  What a waste of money. Spending money on the dead is stupid when there are lives it could save or lift if better directed.
  
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  October 20, 2024 12:43pm
TripeWryter

I’ve just been reading a piece in The New Zealand Herald written by George Block about HMNZS Manawanui.
(Well done, George, for remembering not to write ‘the HMNZS’ …).
The Herald is clearly pushing for answers from the Royal New Zealand Navy and trying to pressure the service into providing information about Manawanui’s sinking.
I doubt that the Navy will allow itself to be pushed around.
The RNZN is following the tried and true process of a court of inquiry doing its job of finding the facts of the ship’s loss.
That’s where the facts will be found; not in the columns of The New Zealand Herald or other media outlets.
The court of inquiry will be tough for the ship’s captain, Cdr Yvonne Gray, and her officers particularly.
As I wrapped up reading the Herald story and its demand for transparency from the RNZN, the Defence Force, and everybody else connected with HMNZS Manawanui, I was reminded of the irony of The New Zealand Herald’s own rigidly held lack of transparency with its audience.
The New Zealand Herald is still to be transparent about the settlement it had to reach with the news activist Chantelle Baker, who sued it for defaming her.
I don’t know how the Herald can expect openness and transparency from the Navy when it doesn’t practise what it seems to preach.
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October 20, 2024 9:12am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I was an “expert witness” in a Marine Insurance claim in the High Court. 3 hrs in the witness box and you come out feeling like you have been run over by a bus!!!
  
  If the people on the Board do their job, the bridge team and the engine room team will be put through the wringer.
  
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  October 20, 2024 9:44am
  - Paulus
    
    Years ago in Auckland High Court in an Insurance Claim I was interrogated very firmly, but finally we won !
    
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    October 20, 2024 1:30pm
- MCōs
  
  “The court of inquiry will be tough for the ship’s captain, Cdr Yvonne Gray, and her officers particularly.”
  Shouldn’t you wait to see what the findings are first?
  
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  October 20, 2024 10:20am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    It will be tough on the Captain regardless of cause. Maintenance… Seamanship… Or both. The ship was lost and she is accountable. Her career as a commander of ships is done…. Even if ultimately the issue was biofuel or a swichboard failure etc etc….
    
    Captain is fully accontable. The end. No excuses.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:41am
    - TripeWryter
      
      JimBobJoe: that is the case. It might seem unfair (my example of Commander Farrington, of HMS Nottingham) but that’s how navies do it.
      
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      October 20, 2024 11:20am
    - NothingLeft
      
      She’ll get significant protection from consequences from her victim/diversity card.
      
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      October 20, 2024 12:45pm
    - rangitoto
      
      With the USS Connecticut incident crashing into an uncharted seamount, the boat’s commanding officer, second in command, both of the ship’s navigators; the officer of the deck and the junior navigator at the time of the incident were charged. The recommended charge was dereliction of duty, and improper hazarding of a vessel. I never heard about the punishment but I suspect none of them will ever command or serve on a nuclear powered attack sub again.
      
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      October 20, 2024 4:09pm
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    It will be tough facing up to the CoE.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The coverup is still in progress. This will take some time, to get everything right for the fact checkers.
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:49am
    - Ghost
      
      No, just more of the daily Otto bullshit. There is no coverup, there is a court of inquiry to take place to find out what took place.
      
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      October 20, 2024 11:20am
      - kevn
        
        Odd… https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/does-king-charles-not-care-about-poor-samoan-villagers-does-his-personal-comfort-security-trump-t
        
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        October 20, 2024 11:54am
      - Ghost
        
        Did you link to that rubbish blog once before, claiming that there was no nz personal there when in fact there were navy divers, maritime nz. Is that rubbish website yours?
        
        It’s great now that facts no longer matter, and people have turned to being like the msm and just making stuff up.
        
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        October 20, 2024 12:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Who besides you said there is no coverup, Ghost?
        
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        October 20, 2024 12:18pm
      - Ghost
        
        You’re the one claiming a coverup Steve. You have form on this blog. Not that long ago you claimed you knew that Latam flight to NZ hit turbulence because you were once in a plane that did and you knew that was what it was. You are wrong. You’ve claimed Ardern took millions from Pfizer because you saw a junk website claim it, wrong. Then there is half the American shit you post that is from junk websites and is wrong.
        
        Why don’t you for once stop spreading bullshit, wait for the inquiry to take place and evidence to come out.
        
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        October 20, 2024 3:02pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Everything in NZ gets covered up unless you aren’t woke.
        I wonder if the Tamihere investigation has started yet, they’ve had more than enough time to cover their tracks.
        Actually Tamihere would have been quick, Low Energy LeQuesne might be holding things up.
        
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        October 20, 2024 3:45pm
      - Ghost
        
        The investigations is still ongoing. Heather Baggott Said there would be no further comment until it was finished. So instead of making things up, wait for them to do the investigation into Manurewa Marae and release their findings. Some of you really should get jobs with the msm, you’re experts at making crap up.
        
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        October 20, 2024 4:01pm
      - Matt Long
        
        If Steve Otto is spreading disinformation Ghost, what better place than Kiwiblog, where better informed critical thinkers like yourself, can rebut the rumours?
        
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        October 20, 2024 5:40pm
      - Ghost
        
        Many people have proven Otto wrong, but it doesn’t stop him posting the same bullshit over and over. Perhaps Otto can provide evidence their is a cover up going on with the navy ship. But we all know there is no such evidence, just more deluded ranting from Otto. Strangely for a blog where people are against the msm lies, people put up with lies here, and encourage them
        
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        October 20, 2024 5:46pm
      - RichardX
        
        Steve Otto(North Shore)
        Who besides you said there is no coverup, Ghost?
        
        October 20, 2024 12:18pm
        
        A good example of the failure of Otto’s epistemology.
        
        He doesn’t provide evidence for his claim.
        
        He doesn’t want evidence that refutes his claim.
        
        His only concern is who has expressed a contradictory view.
        
        The reality is he doesn’t know how to distinguish between fact and fantasy and doesn’t care.
        
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        October 20, 2024 7:56pm
  - TripeWryter
    
    Fair point, MCōs.
    I meant no disrespect to Cdr Gray.
    Navies – and the Royal New Zealand Navy is no different – don’t like it when their ships hit something in the aqua that is firma.
    Captains rarely survive unscathed even when it’s not their fault.
    Take the case of Cdr Richard Farrington who was captain of HMS Nottingham in 2002.
    Her XO, officer of the watch, and navigator drove the destroyer on to rocks off Lord Howe Island.
    A 30-metre rip in the hull, and millions and millions of British quids to fix her up and get her back on the water.
    Cdr Farrington wasn’t even on the ship. He’d gone ashore in his ship’s helicopter to check up on a crewman who’d been admitted to Lord Howe’s hospital.
    He and three of his officers went to court martial.
    He pleaded guilty to a charge of delegating conduct of the ship without insuring a sufficient navigational plan.
    Most likely he thought he didn’t need to. His officers were sound and experienced.
    He was reprimanded.
    He later retired from the Royal Navy in the rank of commodore.
    His career hadn’t really suffered. He was promoted to positions in the amphibious forces including a gig with a Nato command in the US.
    But he was never again given a ship to drive.
    
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    October 20, 2024 11:16am
  - Taieri
    
    “The court of inquiry will be tough for the ship’s captain, Cdr Yvonne Gray, and her officers particularly.”
    Shouldn’t you wait to see what the findings are first?
    ————
    
    The process of investigation itself is very stressful on the people being investigated. In fact, it’s actually quite scary.
    
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    October 20, 2024 12:43pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      “In fact, it’s actually quite scary.”
      
      Good, it would have been quite scary for the seventy odd occupants who were ordered to obey her.
      
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      October 20, 2024 3:49pm
- Nobby2
  
  Well said. The Herald seems to have forgotten the old adage -You should practice what you preach.
  
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  October 20, 2024 1:04pm
- NoFax
  
  We often learn a lot from what is not being reported and the silence is very telling. If the HMNZS Manawanui had lost power or something similar prior to hitting the reef, do you really think that wouldn’t have been “leaked” to the media by now? Wouldn’t Stuff be happy to “reveal” that?
  
  The NZDF and the minister were quick to claim that Cdr. Gray saved lives by abandoning ship (they had no idea if this was true or not) but have gone quiet ever since as I am sure they already have an inkling of what happened. I suspect, by the lack of reporting, that a lot of the blame will go on Gray.
  
  I am very pro-miliary as my comments often attest to, but I know that our Defence force is basically broken and needs to be rebuilt. I think Gray is a symptom of that brokenness rather than a cause.
  
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  October 20, 2024 3:42pm
lastmanstanding

One of the tennants of good governace is the ability to write laws that are transparent concise and clear in their intention so the Courts apply them rather than is the case “interpret” them.
Sadly Governments of all colours have either lost the ability or in the case of the Left write laws that allow their mates on the Bench to”interpret” them to both’s advantage.
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October 20, 2024 9:14am
- imalwaysright
  
  I think judges are able to read Hansard records of MPs speeches regarding bills to get clarification of the intent of the law.
  However, for many of the current judiciary, ignorance is bliss.
  
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  October 20, 2024 9:42am
  - peterwn
    
    They are, following a British case. Up to then quoting Parliamentary documents in a court of law was considered contempt of Parliament. In the lead up to that case the Speaker of the House of Commons was approached for permission to cite from Hansard to help clarify the law. Mr Speaker gave permission and went on to rule that Parliament had no objection to Hansard to be cited in courts and the Speaker’s permission was not needed. Soon after the NZ Parliament Speaker confirmed that ruling was applicable in NZ. Since an enactment has to be interpreted ‘in the light of its purpose’ (among other things), Select Committee reports and Parliamentary speeches can often shed more light on the purpose of an enactment than the title, preamble, etc. David Garrett knows this only too well when he had part of his third reading speech (original three strikes bill) thrown back at him in a manner he did not intend by the Court of Appeal.
    
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    October 20, 2024 12:41pm
  - Paulus
    
    Tommy Handley to those who know (Circa 1943 UK Radio)
    “Ignorance is Bliss, it is Folly to be Wise”
    Still true !
    
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    October 20, 2024 1:33pm
- gravedodger
  
  Just how much more clarity is required than that parchment on the table at Russell when one of the languages in use was one only oral in form and with a very simple and limited range of words.
  Those three Articles were eminently understandable for any year three/four child?
  Consider how much debate and disagreement there is existing currently on that matter.
  
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  October 20, 2024 10:59am
AitchW

ETNZ win, Black Caps win, White Ferns win, Auckland FC wins its first A league game, its a great weekend to be a proud Kiwi!
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October 20, 2024 9:15am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Let’s hope the AB’s don’t lose to Japan next eeek😊
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:07am
- Flossie
  
  And don’t forget about the two world championship golds for our cycling girl in Denmark.
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:20am
- Burtland
  
  yeah no8 wire carried the day … again
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:20am
AitchW

While we’re talking about ETNZ, I love how you never hear about any of the team going out, getting pickled, and getting into fights. They don’t get charged for drug offences, assault, drunk driving, family violence, or any of the other crap that so many other sports do.
Well done them! They really do us proud as a country.
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October 20, 2024 9:19am
- imalwaysright
  
  That’s cyclists for you. Boring bastards.
  
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  October 20, 2024 9:44am
- Don Beckett
  
  There is an obscure underlying reason for that – but my lips are sealed. 🙂
  
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  October 20, 2024 9:44am
  - pdm
    
    Come on DB – spit it out.
    
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    October 20, 2024 9:48am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Do you recall the Howard Morrison funny song – ‘My Old Man’s an All Black” – about the race based selection for the tour of apartheid South Africa ?
      
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      October 20, 2024 10:03am
      - MCōs
        
        “Son don’t you worry if you get punched
        When you’re down in a scrum,
        Just you wait ’til there’s a ruck
        And you can fix the guilty one!”
        
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        October 20, 2024 10:26am
  - AitchW
    
    DB, I suspect it’s more to do with the fact that these guys have spent the last 3 years working up to this. They’re smart guys getting good money and probably a hefty win bonus. And who’d want Grant Dalton pissed off at them?
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:44am
- Colville
  
  Well you are never going to get charged for a drug offence in Spain…home of Ibiza and a VERY liberal attitude to relaxation!
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:11am
pdm

I had a lick yesterday at the free (well an Insurance Company would have paid) $10mill on offer from one of the big races in Aussie – Biscuits favourite – The Everest. One just had to predict the finishers in the correct order.

I got two correct 8th and 9th – did anyone else have a go.
It is possible as someone got it right last year and pocketd $10million for no outlay.

BTW the other big race in Aus yesterday was the Caulfield Cup – a proven lead up to the Melbourne Cup which is on Tuesday 5 November.
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October 20, 2024 9:53am
- Hard Cheese
  
  Being particularly poor at probability, I asked ChatGPT how many entries I’d need to make to guarantee I’d win the $10 million. It turns out 239,500,800. I assume there was some sort of mechanism to prevent multiple entries – if you had enough prep time and some automation it would be a cost free way to get rich
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:24am
  - nova
    
    ChatGPT is not good at math. Try asking it how many r’s there are in the word strawberry. In this case, it is out by a factor of two. The problem is quite simple, it is just 12 factorial (12 x 11 x 10 x 9 x 8 x 7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1). which is 479.0016 million. Which curiously a stuff reporter characterised as “about 440 million” : https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350453178/everest-tab-offers-10-million-prize-lucky-punter-second-straight-yea
    I guess closer than chatgpt, but still wrong. For their next gig I suppose the reporter will get a job counting votes in the US election???
    
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    October 20, 2024 2:56pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      My fault, I asked ChatGPT how many entries to pick the finishing order of the top 10 runners, not all 12. Garbage in, garbage out.
      
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      October 20, 2024 6:03pm
Dudley Quaffquaff

You would not have thought it possible to mispronounce “Masterton”; but the voice of the satellite navigator in our car has found a way. She says “M’sterton”
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October 20, 2024 10:20am
- pdm
  
  Dudley – tell Karl du Fresne.
  
  This mispronunciation will be right up his alley.
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:47am
- PurplePen
  
  And we don’t make a big fuss about it along with all sorts of mispronounciation from tech and from those where English is their second language. Which is my lead into a piece on RNZ. Peter-Lucas Jones, CE Far-North Te Hiku Media finds the accuracy of pronunciation of Maori place names by AI tools and global tech unacceptable. I’d just be grateful that we have such fantastic tech that’s mostly at no cost, works well on the whole, and grateful they include Maori at all considering a Google search says there’s 7,151 languages.
  
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  October 20, 2024 12:40pm
- Gravelroad
  
  R u sure it wasn’t Captain Scarlett and the Misterons talking to u?
  Kids cartoon on TV back in the day, but they could be back………
  
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  October 20, 2024 1:02pm
Damocles11

A massive ‘Te Ao Maori’ presence in Barcelona for the America’s Cup. Call me a cynic but I find it difficult to believe the taxpayer is not picking up the tab for what seems like an entire Iwi to be on hand over there.
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October 20, 2024 10:35am
- lifesgood
  
  It’s insulting that 90% of the country is being represented by these Maori. Come on! It’s just a junket for them and they do not represent most of New Zealand’s inhabitants.
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:50am
  - PurplePen
    
    I bet they don’t even represent all Maori.
    
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    October 20, 2024 12:41pm
  - Paulus
    
    How many Maori were in the “Emirates Team New Zealand” Crew !
    After all they are the worlds’s expert sailors as we are told.
    
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    October 20, 2024 1:36pm
- surfing
  
  That is just the tip of the iceberg.
  
  Maori are travelling the world under the guise of ‘business development’ and doing this on the taxpayer dime. But, business development also means ‘holiday’.
  
  A colleague has made a career of sitting on maori boards and they tell me things… and it’s great to get free travel and accommodation around Europe under the guise of investing in business XYZ.
  
  Why doesn’t government provide more assistance to tribes to ensure transparency and due diligence around investments? Maori don’t like colonialist ways and want to do it the maori way — which typically means having the tribal ceo/leader keep bank accounts secret and invest based on pub talk and subsequently making huge losses. **** hits the fan eventually, but too late by then.
  
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  October 20, 2024 12:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One thing I did notice, the absence of the tino rangatiratanga flag.
  They must have been told not to display it.
  
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  October 20, 2024 12:25pm
gorse

A reason why productivity in New Zealand will take forever to fix. I bought an item on a New Zealand website, $1068 inclusive of GST. It was shipped from Brisbane. I bought it Monday two weeks ago, it was shipped Tuesday nearly two weeks ago. Arrived in Auckland Saturday 8 days ago. Took three days to make it into Customs for clearance last Tuesday. I guess it needs a form filling in as it is over $1000. Not much money these days. Haven’t heard a thing. Tried calling NZ Post on Friday, gave up after being on hold for about one hour.

I had an IT guy booked for Friday just gone to do the installation of the pieces of kit coming in, thinking a week and a half would be plenty of time to get it into my possession.

This problem was up by a Customs gentleman in the Auckland Airport arrivals hall a year or so ago when, because of their dicking around, long queues, we were about to miss our domestic flight connection. His answer to me when I mentioned this was “I don’t care”.

To top it off, I sent, or thought I had, a 900g package on Friday to the USA. paid the Post Office $110 to have it couriered. They said it will be there next week. They might be wrong on that, because upon tracking it I notice it is still sitting in the Post Office shop where I dispatched it. I would have thought it would be in LA by now.

A lot of changes need to be made to get this country running as it should again. Certainly the Government offices I have been dealing with lately are incompetent.
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October 20, 2024 10:49am
- Burtland
  
  they got $280m bailout from Shane & Labour during COVID to subsidize their dominance/incompetence
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/companies/retail/covid-19-coronavirus-nz-post-receives-29-million-in-wage-subsidies-on-top-of-280m-from-governments-budget/P7GQYNR2B6MG45OYLV5CZOM4QU/
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:32am
- Burtland
  
  the ports are as bad
  
  “Lyttelton Port Co’s latest annual report (for the end of June financial year) shows that 409 staff earn over $100,000 with 381 bringing home between $100,000 and $200,000 and 28 earning between $200,000 and $600,000. According to LPC, about three quarters of the 409 earning over $100,000 are blue collar workers.”
  
  not bad for a Council job
  
  https://www.thepress.co.nz/nz-news/350446415/all-sea-how-bad-our-port-really#:~:text=owner%2C%20the%20Christchurch%20City%20Council%2C
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:37am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Wharfies on 100k is not unusual in skilled trades like crane and straddle drivers.
    
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    October 20, 2024 12:27pm
    - Burtland
      
      300 blue collar workers over 100k
      
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      October 20, 2024 1:38pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Lyttelton has several problems.
    
    1 It is OLD
    
    2 Cashin Quay where the container terminal is, is v small and as far as I know difficult to expand.
    
    3 Being run by a council is ridiculous. Look at the difference between Lytt and TGA.
    
    4 Too many container ports in the S Is, 4, for a population of 1 million.
    
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    October 20, 2024 1:14pm
  - CJames
    
    That money for plant operators isn’t unusual. Look into the pay that plant operators for forestry gangs get. They are very skilled, controlling million dollar plus equipment.
    
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    October 20, 2024 1:36pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I am sure that with all the DEI at NZ Post, things will get much better for your parcel speeds. 🙂
  
  https://www.nzpost.co.nz/about-us/diversity-inclusion
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ is useless when it comes to freight and couriers. Earlier this year I ordered an electric clutch for my Prado aircon pump. Ordered in the morning, it was shipped out from Brisbane that day and in Auckland the next morning. It then took 6 working days to get from the Auckland Airport to the North Shore. Downright ridiculous.
  
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  October 20, 2024 12:31pm
  - rouppe
    
    I had a reasonable experience.
    
    Got told during a service that the front (adaptive) shocks on my passat were leaking.
    
    How much I asked? $2800 (iirc) to supply plus fitting came to just over $3k.
    
    Had a look at the shocks and saw a “Monroe” sticker. Monroe are an Australian producer. Rang them up. Once they found out the shipping address was NZ they refused, saying they have a distribution agreement with VW NZ. Arse.
    
    Went to a supplier in Europe. Were delivered to my door in about 4 weeks. That included me having to apply for an import licence, and going through the import duty and gst payment process.
    
    Same brand, so they were manufactured in Australia, shipped to Europe, sold to me, then shipped to NZ. $1500.
    
    And actually the luggage light was flickering when I opened the tailgate. Tried everything, the remaining step was to either go to an auto electrician or get a new one from vw.
    
    Thought I’d try AliExpress. Got one from them for $17, been in for a month now no problems. Arrived in about 3 weeks.
    
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    October 20, 2024 1:46pm
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Our local road is a one way affair until jan 2025 …. Indian aramax courier doesn’t have to obey very clear road rules and goes down the road, wrong direction middle of the day 🤦‍♀️
    
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    October 20, 2024 2:42pm
- PurplePen
  
  I find if I buy something off a regular seller on trademe I’ll receive the package in 2 days, and that’s from Auckland to Otago. But if I get something from a big box store it can take 1 to 2 weeks.
  
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  October 20, 2024 12:44pm
Benedict Yu

So Helen Clark thinks that the Government should fund the next Americas Cup.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360457369/helen-clark-case-hosting-americas-cup-new-zealand

Well your protégé wrecked the country. Sorry no money.
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- fightingtemeraire
  
  Well Helen can kick in a few million and help the kitty.
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She only parts with other people’s money
    
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    October 20, 2024 1:45pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Hosting it in Auckland is dumb anyway. They should be looking at getting the most coverage as possible to attract sponsors to put the money in, and the only way to do that is hold it in Europe. Running it in NZ all the time might be interesting for us, but it will just wither and die as an event.
  
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  October 20, 2024 11:45am
  - Colville
    
    Any European port with very deep pockets can offer a few hundred Mil$ to TNZ for the right to be “home port” to TNZ. Let the bidding begin!
    
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    October 20, 2024 12:26pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    People don’t want to invest in NZ . The woke virtue signalling maori gravy train puts them off.
    
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    October 20, 2024 4:02pm
- PurplePen
  
  Dolphins will likely object.
  
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  October 20, 2024 12:45pm
- Burtland
  
  150 staff at TNZ – probably another McLaren – gone
  
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  October 20, 2024 1:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They are very good at what they do.
    
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    October 20, 2024 1:46pm
Jack5

Shane Jones’s youngest brother, Peter-Lucas Jones, has been leading in using open-source tools and artificial-intelligence to mine mountains of Maori voice recordings and analyse the data to provide “correct” on line Maori pronunciation.

The Cabinet Minister’s sibling, in his early 40s, is sometimes known as Peter Jones but has the full name Peter-Lucas Kaaka Jones. He’s deputy chairman of Maori Television and chairman of the national tribal radio network.

Jones (from here on in the post, “Jones” means Peter-Lucas Jones) is part of a Northland Maori group associated with the Far North tribal radio station that’s produced an “app” to help Maori pronunciation on smart phones. The current project uses artificial intelligence tools with a goal of improving online Maori-word pronunciation by the likes of Google.

Jones’s (male) life and technology partner, Keoni Mahelona, is a computer engineer, and an indigenous Hawaiian.

Radio NZ reported last month that Jones was named in the “TIME100 AI list” for his work on the Maori language with artificial intelligence technology.

RNZ said Te Hiku Media, based in Kaitaia, had reached a 92 percent accuracy rate with its speech to text model and described this as the best in the world.

It was reported in 2019 that Te Hiku Media, an offshoot of the network of about 20 tribal radio stations around NZ, received a $13 million from the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment for the development of what was described as a “multilingual language platform that will develop cutting edge natural language processing tools, starting with te reo Maori”.

American magazine “Wired” in April 2021 said:

The tools for building speech-to-text systems – which allow Te Hiku to transcribe their radio content – and other speech recognition technology are fairly accessible, such as Mozilla’s open-source tool Deep Speech. The real challenge for indigenous communities is a lack of annotated data to build with.

RNZ in its 8 September report said Te Hiku Media’s “automatic speech recognition model for te reo Māori” was built on 30 years worth of archival footage and requested audio clips from community members.

RNZ report:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/531303/why-google-maps-can-t-pronounce-maori-place-names

The grant:

https://tehiku.nz/te-hiku-tech/papa-reo/11261/te-hiku-media-awarded-13m

The Wired magazine report. You may be able to read it as a “one free article” through the paywall:

https://www.wired.com/story/maori-language-tech/
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October 20, 2024 12:12pm
- cmm
  
  I don’t understand Maori beyond a smattering of words, so I don’t have any experience myself.
  
  However when I was in hospital in 2020 there was a very interesting Maori guy on the ward. He was a Maori language tutor with many years experience who had moved from North Island to South Island to take up a Maori tutoring role here.
  
  He said it took months to learn the South Island dialect vs the dialects he was used to. After about 6 months in South Island he was still struggling. Something like “Thank goodness we’ve got English so we can communicate.”.
  
  So I wonder whether all this AI training is going to take this into account, or is the predominant North Island Maori going to ride rough-shod over South Island Maori and drive it to extinction?
  
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  October 20, 2024 1:49pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    No, they did that already to the Moriori……..
    
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    October 20, 2024 1:56pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Try understanding the locals in Newcastle, Glasgow, Liverpool, Birmingham and a few other places in the UK.
    
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    October 20, 2024 5:40pm
  - Burtland
    
    NI maori have already done that by calling NZ Aotearoa
    
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    October 20, 2024 10:03pm
- kiwi_chileno
  
  The feelz got me….
  
  Te Hiku Media got a $13m grant from MBIE’s Vision Mātauranga Capability Fund! I’ve run up an open-source LLM / machine learning stack on Linux and it sure didn’t cost $13m.
  
  Here’s the list of 2024 grants from the same MBIE trough for Mātauranga Maori pseudo-science / mumbo jumbo https://www.mbie.govt.nz/science-and-technology/science-and-innovation/funding-information-and-opportunities/investment-funds/vmcf/funded-projects/2024-successful-projects
  Love this one: “Ka Tū Te Rā: A Toi Māori and Science innovation to return woven sails to voyaging waka in Aotearoa”, $150 k.
  
  And previous funding rounds https://www.mbie.govt.nz/science-and-technology/science-and-innovation/funding-information-and-opportunities/investment-funds/vmcf/funded-projects/past-rounds
  
  NZ – the way you’ve got it!
  
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  October 20, 2024 5:00pm
  - Jack5
    
    Governments as well as ordinary investors need to be careful about an artificial-intelligence technology boom, if the economist Hyman Minsky was right.
    
    A book on financial booms and crowd reactions by William J. Bernstein notes that Minsky note the creation of a financial bubble required not only strong credit easing such as by lowering interest rates, but also “an exciting advance in new technology”.
    
    Such advances included the rapid growth of railways in the nineteenth century.
    
    Boom-and-bust sequences have come to be called Minsky cycles.
    
    Bernstein’s book is “The Delusions of Crowds: Why People go Mad in Groups,” first published in 2021.
    
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    October 20, 2024 9:10pm
NothingLeft

In Missouri: 78,421 register to vote in just one week. Out of that number, 23,253 were dead people!

https://x.com/i/status/1847632938071974010

Along side all the law changes they have made to make auditing validity of voters and ballots near impossible can there be any doubt that there is a huge coordinated electoral fraud effort conducted by Democrats in the USA?
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October 20, 2024 12:53pm
- NothingLeft
  
  In Michigan they have half a million more people registered to vote than there are adults over 18. In this democrat controlled state they managed to add 900k voters to roll since 2018 while adult population only went up by 100k.
  
  The brazenness of the cheating is amazing. But when they control the state govt (which they do) they can shut down all investigation and legal cases bought using their Dem appointed officials and judges – and ensure that they win elections to prevent ever being called to account.
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaR1P25XoAASgJe?format=jpg&name=large
  
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  October 20, 2024 1:25pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    NL it’s all in your head boomer. Lefty “fact checkers” say so! /
    
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    October 20, 2024 2:20pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      It’s another measure of how corrupted MSM are that they won’t report eye-wateringly criminal activity like this that doesn’t align with the agendas of their deep state masters.
      
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      October 20, 2024 4:07pm
- kevn
  
  Nothing…. X has become very important for news. Of all types.
  
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  October 20, 2024 5:51pm
mandk

I wonder if Paddy Gower is pro-life, or whether he thinks a pre-born baby needs to be mourned only if the mother wanted it: https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360456979/remember-little-unborn-kiwi-babies-who-left-too-soon.
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October 20, 2024 12:57pm
- lifesgood
  
  How can you mourn miscarried babies and also support the deliberate taking of their life. It doesn’t make any sense.
  
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  October 20, 2024 2:03pm
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Have you tried placing a value on the health and happiness of women?
    
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    October 20, 2024 2:50pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Good lord, Dudley, what if a neighbour is damaging to their health and happiness?
      
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      October 20, 2024 3:23pm
Jack5

NZ’s English city Wokered …

Stuff reports that since July 2023, 38 per cent of road names approved have been in Māori, from 50 names approved.
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October 20, 2024 1:07pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Courtesy of nutjob councils?
  
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  October 20, 2024 2:21pm
Swifty

Some background on Goldsmith’s HRC appointments:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/14-10-2024/controversial-human-rights-commissioners-werent-recommended-by-hiring-panel
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October 20, 2024 1:07pm
- Cassandra
  
  Typical Spinoff BS. Mind you, I’d scrub the HRC if I was able to. Waste of rations. Actually and more importantly it’s a waste of my money.
  
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  October 20, 2024 2:56pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Maybe make all government employees take a written general competence exam to measure literacy, numeracy and general knowledge.
    We have to root out the spongers and get rid of them.
    
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    October 20, 2024 4:11pm
    - Burtland
      
      you could just do what Kiwirail have done – offer everyone redundancy
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/531067/kiwirail-offers-voluntary-redundancy-to-all-staff
      
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      October 20, 2024 10:12pm
Dudley Quaffquaff

We’re in Australia at the moment, where the Royal visit is dominating the news. It was amusing indeed to see reporters on the streets completely unable to find a member of the public prepared to say anything against it, and astonishing to see the reporter in the studio concluding that it seems to be only journalists who are talking about republicanism
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October 20, 2024 2:53pm
Ghost

A major leak of US classified documents has appeared online Saturday… or we should qualify alleged leaks of at least two TOP SECRET documents, with both marked NOFORN – which is among the highest classifications – given it indicates the specific intelligence cannot be shared with allied foreign intelligence agencies (with the exception of the “Five Eyes”).

A breaking Axios report suggests their authenticity: “U.S. officials are extremely concerned about a potentially major security breach after two alleged U.S. intelligence documents about Israel’s preparations for an attack on Iran were published by a Telegram account affiliated with Iran,” Barak Ravid, who maintains close Israeli military and intelligence sources, writes.

Article
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October 20, 2024 3:21pm
- virtualmark
  
  NOFORN means only for US consumption.
  
  FVEY markings would mean it could be shared with Five Eyes countries.
  
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  October 20, 2024 4:22pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Before you go and believe that article please query how legitimate zerohedge is.
  
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  October 20, 2024 5:20pm
  - Ghost
    
    Zerohedge are reporting on an article that was in Axios. Zerohedge have said that it is alleged. Many news agencies are reporting the story, New York Times, Jerusalem post, take your pick, there are alot
    
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    October 20, 2024 5:25pm
Inandout

Labour weekend coming up, teachers only day coming up.
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October 20, 2024 4:34pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360457614/one-dead-after-boat-capsizes-auckland
Notably absent from this report is:
– the size / condition of the boat ( there were 7 people on board )
– passenger details ( age, etc )
– were any lifejackets worn/present ?
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October 20, 2024 5:32pm
NothingLeft

Beyond evil: ISIS made Yazidis eat their own children.
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-825066
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October 20, 2024 6:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Emerates Team Aotearoa.
Did they say it on One Mews?
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October 20, 2024 6:05pm
- Ghost
  
  No they didn’t.
  
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  October 20, 2024 6:18pm
Inandout

‘Aircraft carriers are massive naval vessels powered by nuclear reactors, which generate a significant amount of electricity to propel the ship and operate its various systems. With such a substantial power source, one might wonder if an aircraft carrier could produce enough electricity to power an entire city’. In practice of course the power couldn’t be distributed economically but it shows how nuclear is our only future power source, clean and really efficient.
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- peterwn
  
  A large Aircraft Carrier would be just about like a small city taking into account all the ancillary functions required to make the ship work.
  Large Aircraft Carriers beloved of Naval chiefs are frankly turkeys. Far too vulnerable.
  
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  October 20, 2024 7:02pm
- NothingLeft
  
  naval reactors are very expensive as they use highly enriched fuel to allow decades of operation without refueling.
  
  Reactors on coastal jack-up rigs resting on legs on the sea floor in water depths beyond coastal tsunami action are the best long term option. Built and decommissioned in shipyards, endless coolant all around to prevent melt downs, if there is a calamity ships and dredges can remove wreckage+waste and if civilization ends you don’t get left with a radioactive death zone poisoning the water table for a hundred millennia – the ocean will corrode and wash it away in a few centuries.
  
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