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NeverMindTheBollocks

You can blame activist judges, Cooke & Palmer among them, for the ACC deficit and your forthcoming levy increase.

The test case involved sexual harm against a young person; her claim for compensation was not made until her 30s. Previously her compensation would not have started until she made a claim; now, it starts from the first offence, which increases the scope and costs enormously.

It also begs the question of why sexual harm, horrific though it is (and the facts of the case are horrific), is considered to be an accident when clearly the offences by her family and others were deliberate.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/530961/acc-announces-7-point-2-billion-deficit

https://www.justice.govt.nz/jdo_documents/workspace___SpacesStore_b94d39e8_18cf_4469_a67e_497920a23905.pdf

https://www.justice.govt.nz/jdo_documents/workspace___SpacesStore_b94d39e8_18cf_4469_a67e_497920a23905.pdf
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October 17, 2024 8:01am
- nova
  
  That’s nothing, just imagine how much ACC will need to pay for all the harms caused by colonialism…
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:48am
- Ghost
  
  It should come from a crime fund.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:53am
- rouppe
  
  Acc also pays for drunk drivers. That’s deliberate. They pay for injuries fleeing from police. That’s deliberate. Don’t get me started on sporting injuries
  
  It would be a heck of a balancing act to pay for accidents, but leave the rest for private litigation, and get it right
  
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  October 17, 2024 11:20am
  - muzled
    
    Would you rather people sat at home and turned into massive lard @rses rouppe?
    
    I’m sure sporting injuries are a big cost but there are a lot of benefits other than fitness that come from playing sport.
    
    Not getting fat would be one of the biggest benefits the country could reap.
    
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    October 17, 2024 12:05pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      That’s right Muz.
      I saw a piece on tv1 news during the recent Olympics telling people to not try to copy the participants because it could be dangerous!
      
      I suppose they are right, imagine the average 12 yr old screen bandit trying to run a 100m.
      45s later they are on their back having a heart attack.
      
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      October 17, 2024 1:03pm
    - rouppe
      
      That’s not the only alternative.
      
      Motorcyclists have to pay over $500 registration because of acc claims involving motorcyclists.
      
      Why can’t sports clubs pay say $50 per registered player to help pay for acc claims involving sports injuries?
      
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      October 17, 2024 1:40pm
      - rockape
        
        As a schoolboy I had to pay insurance for the two sports in which I could have suffered injury. Skiing in scottish Corrie’s and playing rugby. Only time I broke a bone was playing basketball!
        
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        October 17, 2024 3:53pm
      - muzled
        
        I can only suggest talking to your local mp rouppe, get them to campaign on introducing an ACC levy for all kids sport.
        
        I’m sure it’ll be wildly popular…
        
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        October 17, 2024 7:51pm
- Burtland
  
  existential threat to ACC …
  
  is there anything they havent wrecked – time for a Ctl-Alt-Del
  
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  October 17, 2024 11:54am
- Paulus
  
  Since when was Sexual Harm an Accident ?
  
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  October 17, 2024 2:23pm
Steve Todd

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This is an interesting essay, https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/is-trump-americas-hitler/, by Tom Zoellner, an editor at large for the Los Angeles Review of Books, comparing Trump with Hitler. The parallels are quite startling.

He concludes that, “Trump echoes aspects of Hitler in tone, personality, and style, [but that] the parallels break down as often as they line up.” While he concedes that “Trump may not be ‘the American Hitler,’” he does pose the question, “how could an American president like him have been plausible in the first place?”

And to think, we might all be about to go there again. Given what we all now know of the man, including that he is clearly not well, that is a scary thought indeed.
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October 17, 2024 8:01am
- Mike
  
  Hey! Only Trump’s running mate is allowed to call him America’s Hitler.
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:07am
  - Don Beckett
    
    “…..comparing Trump with Hitler. The parallels are quite startling.”
    Oh – you mean just like Jacinda.
    
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    October 17, 2024 10:52am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Read the essay, Don.
      
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      October 17, 2024 11:44am
      - Conservatarian
        
        Make sure you bring a screwdriver when you do Don, you’ll need it to bore into your eye about a quarter of the way through
        
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        October 17, 2024 2:27pm
- Matt Long
  
  Can’t wait for the sequel comparing Trump with Voldemort.
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:08am
  - kowtow
    
    Problem with the likes of the ST’s of this world , Voldemort is the name that must never be mentioned .
    These people are actual trumpeters , they never stop blowing the “T” word.
    Trumpeteers , even.
    
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    October 17, 2024 8:14am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Funnily enough this slipped out during an interview between a British podcaster and Nancy Pelosi (the main topic being her and Biden not being speaking terms after fifty years because she knifed him):
      
      Pelosi’s refusal to mention Trump by name is not insignificant. She explained why, as a good abortion-loving Catholic, she could not say it.
      
      “I hardly ever say his name,” she explained. “I think [Trump is] a grotesque word … You just don’t like the word passing your lips. I just don’t.”
      
      “I’m afraid, you know, when I grew up Catholic, as I am now, if you said a bad word, you could burn in hell if you didn’t have a chance to confess. So I don’t want to take any chances,” Pelosi added. “It’s up there with, like, swearing.”
      
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      October 17, 2024 9:59am
      - lifesgood
        
        She is most definitely not Catholic. One of the tenets of the religion is the sanctity of life, abortion completely goes against this.
        
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        October 17, 2024 10:08am
      - kowtow
        
        And Harris calls Trump “unhinged” .
        
        While Pelosi gets a pass with that utter lunacy.
        
        Talking of Catholics , there’s more than a little comment on how the Catholics of swing state Pennsylvania , who were Bidenites ( home boy advantage and all that ) are less than enamoured by Harris ,a far left , west coast progressive .
        
        We’ll see.
        
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        October 17, 2024 10:31am
      - Don Beckett
        
        It’s not a ‘bad word’ that Kamala has to worry about – it’s her love of abortion, which puts her a long way outside Catholic beliefs & teaching, and actually disqualifies her from claiming to be Catholic & is de facto self-excommunicated.
        
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        October 17, 2024 10:50am
  - artemisia
    
    Or comparing the current president with Rip van Winkle. Though that comparison does break down as RvW did eventually wake up.
    
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    October 17, 2024 8:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “… “how could an American president like him have been plausible in the first place?””
  
  I’ll leave that question to the historians to write PhD theses about it over the next 50 years.
  
  TBH I have been asking “How could a presidential candidate like Kamala Harris have been plausible in the first place?” I’m sure that I am not alone. 😫
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:13am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Ms Harris is plausible because she is easily led.
    The behind-the-scenes politicians and enablers will get her elected and the women’s groups, social justice activists and Hollywood celebrities will be thrilled and thankful.
    Ms Harris will be a figure head president only.
    She will do as she is told and say what she is told to say.
    ‘Hope and joy”, even if she can deliver it to a majority of the American people, is not going to be enough to make her an effective world leader.
    
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    October 17, 2024 8:37am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Gosh, it sounds like you’ve encountered one of these figure-head leaders before.
      
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      October 17, 2024 8:47am
      - Quail
        
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        I guess all New Zealanders have, more particularly in the last Government
        
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        October 17, 2024 9:01am
      - Yvette
        
        Maggy, reminiscent of the novel, THE ACCIDENTAL POPE, where the College of Cardinals meets after the death of Pope John Paul II to elect a new pope and after days locked in a stalemate, the Cardinals cast throw-away votes for Bill Kelly, a former priest. But no-one is laughing when he wins the majority, and becomes the first American Pope – authors: Ray Flynn and Robin Moore, the former U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican and the bestselling author of THE FRENCH CONNECTION.
        Otherwise I don’t think anyone has written an honest book about Ardern, who received a phone call, while she was in a car between Wellington Airport and Parliament, to say Andrew had canned out and she was it. Let’s do that
        
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        October 17, 2024 9:23am
    - kowtow
      
      Easily bed .
      
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      October 17, 2024 9:28am
    - Flossie
      
      Quite simply I think she just ticked a couple of boxes that would help Biden’s cause i.e. black and female. End of.
      
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      October 17, 2024 10:08am
- imalwaysright
  
  There’s a little Hitler in all of us.
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:16am
- Swifty
  
  “And to think, we might all be about to go there again.”
  
  What’s this ‘we’ business Steve?
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:17am
  - Steve Todd
    
    In my view, Swifty, should Trump win, we will all be adversely affected, not just Americans.
    
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    October 17, 2024 9:57am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Sure, World peace and a healthy American economy would be awful for NZ
      //
      Meanwhile ‘When the FBI originally released the “final” crime data for 2022 in September 2023, it reported that the nation’s violent crime rate fell by 2.1%. This quickly became, and remains, a Democratic Party talking point to counter Donald Trump’s claims of soaring crime.
      But the FBI has quietly revised those numbers, releasing new data that shows violent crime increased in 2022 by 4.5%. The new data includes thousands more murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults.’
      https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2024/10/16/stealth_edit_fbi_quietly_revises_violent_crime_stats_1065396.html
      
      The top three issues for Americans is the Economy, the Border and Crime.
      
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      October 17, 2024 11:16am
- graham
  
  In 2017, the Wall Street Journal compared Jacinda Ardern to Trump with regards to immigration.
  
  So by extension, should we now compare Ardern to Hitler?
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/18/jacinda-ardern-infuriated-with-comparisons-to-donald-trump
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:07am
  - kowtow
    
    They both liked their cloaks.
    
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    October 17, 2024 9:29am
- David Garrett
  
  Steve T: Did you have to post that? Your post will be downticked to oblivion shortly by those who believe people like you and me suffer from some unrecognized mental disorder known as “Trump Derangement Syndrome” (TDS), the symptoms of which – more than a little ironically – could equally be recognized in Mr Trump’s supporters for whom nothing he says or does – no matter how provably false or bizarre – alters their adoring view of him.
  
  Now, let’s see whose comment is downticked to oblivion first, yours or mine. Either way, you have now triggered a torrent of hagiographic comments about the orange man.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:19am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You can’t really be worried about “down ticks”. If anything, I would like to see more diversity of views here. I think that on some topics, there has been a divergence in the views of the majority of commenters and the views of DPF. I’m not saying that is necessarily a bad thing. It is just a thing.
    
    The trigger issues seem to be Trump and climate change. Not sure what DPF thinks of the COVID vaccines, or the last government’s pandemic policies. I don’t recall any posts on the topics.
    
    Personally, I think that Trump is deeply flawed but a much better alternative than Biden or Harris, or probably any prospective Democrat president.
    
    On the other trigger issues, I think that my views are well known. 😃
    
    I deplored the last Government’s COVID policies, while having had 7 shots of the vaccine.
    
    I despair at the Government’s climate change policies, while concluding that climate change is a moderately significant problem for humanity.
    
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    October 17, 2024 9:32am
    - Simon
      
      Its possible to be anti-Trump right wing and not be unhinged. Ie TDS. I used to real quite a few people like that. They made interesting and valid points against Trump’s manner and policies.
      
      This is one eg. https://x.com/redsteeze This guy will never vote Trump.
      
      Around here though its all TDS. If you believe or repeat MSM / Dem Trump talking points you have TDS. Around here have not read anything insightful anti-Trump. Its all TDS.
      
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      October 17, 2024 9:41am
      - Conservatarian
        
        Yes, redsteeze (Stephen L. Miller) is a long time follow of mine (well since 2016). A very humorous and insightful follow, right wing, anti-Trump, but not deranged.
        
        He happens to have the same name as Trump’s former immigration adviser Stephen Miller. Another who is / was regularly referred to as the “H” and “N” words by deranged types.
        
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        October 17, 2024 2:25pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Bene: Let me help you feel better about climate change.
      
      When I was standing for parliament for ACT in 2008 I had briefings on a number of issues I would be asked about. One of them was from a female scientist – a PhD IIRC – about supposed anthropogenic climate change.
      
      She told me that if the world’s greenhouse gas emissions for one year was a two litre jug of milk, New Zealand’s contribution to that jug – mainly of course from farting sheep and cattle – was one half of one drop. I used that analogy at several candidate forums. I was never called on it by any Green candidates or anyone else.
      
      The point of course is that if NZ went back to the stone age tomorrow, it wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference to “climate change”. I put climate change in the some basket as other things I cannot control, such as death, the fact that I am now officially a pensioner, and that I am not 6 feet tall.
      
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      October 17, 2024 9:43am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes. Which is one of the reasons that New Zealand has absurd policies. Impoverish the country for no benefit.
        
        The problem will be fixed. By technology. China and India will ultimately reduce emissions. Not because they care what we think. But because they can’t keep poisoning their populations with the pollution caused by burning so much coal and oil. Would you want to live in Delhi? This is today…
        
        https://english.jagran.com/india/delhi-pollution-alert-air-quality-deteriorates-in-national-capital-aqi-exceeds-400-in-anand-vihar-check-prediction-10194898
        
        There is zero chance of global warming being kept to 1.5 degrees. Yet,literally, New Zealand has just about finished the first tranche of payments to Asian countries to appease our climate guilt. 1.3 billion dollars, with billions more to come. Chris Luxon doesn’t boast about that too much.
        
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        October 17, 2024 10:03am
      - kowtow
        
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        ‘1.3 billion dollars, with billions more to come. Chris Luxon doesn’t boast about that too much.’
        
        Where can one find a source onthis .
        
        At the moment te msm bang on relentlessly with guests from Big Business wanting CGT to pay for hospitals etc
        
        Hospitals are also a fave at the mo with te msm , costs , evil Nats not building them etc
        
        But I see no reports , front page , leading radio news etc of us giving away billions to wealthier countries than us .
        
        Why ever not .
        
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        October 17, 2024 10:41am
      - oldfella
        
        DG: I came across this fascinating (17 minute) video the other day which looks at the willful distortion of climate data using “climate models”.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lseti5zvY0
        
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        October 17, 2024 10:43am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Where can one find a source onthis .”
        
        Here you go: 🙂
        
        https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/aid-and-development/climate-change-support/what-is-climate-finance#:~:text=In%20October%202021%2C%20the%20Government,response%20will%20it%20go%20to%3F
        
        “As part of our support for international action on climate change, Aotearoa New Zealand has committed $1.3 billion in climate finance for 2022–2025.
        
        “This is funding we provide to support other countries’ efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and adapt to the impacts of climate change”……
        
        “In October 2021, the Government announced a new climate finance commitment of NZ$1.3 billion for 2022–2025. This is grant-based climate finance to developing countries.”
        
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        October 17, 2024 11:26am
      - Geoff1
        
        $1.4 billion pa.
        https://environment.govt.nz/oia-releases/new-zealands-financial-commitment-to-the-paris-agreement/
        
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        October 17, 2024 11:48am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        For Ben. I was in Delhi last year and the day we arrived the Air Quality was 495. I think it only goes to 500. Family and I were heading out the next day, and I asked the Concierge if we needed masks. Oh no, no, no Sir! The situation has improved. So off we went. Into the yellowy haze. We spent the day out, and the Concierge was right, AQ had improved and was only 475! The place is particularly bad when farmers outside Delhi burn their rice paddy stubble. Even though there are fines, they need to get their mustard crops in. At that time of year, Delhi often suffers from thermal inversion, which makes things way worse.
        
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        October 17, 2024 1:01pm
      - judith8409121
        
        the money that will be paid is a form of shake-down required to be paid to get a seat at the big leaders table. Its required to get a place with the one world government and to get trade deals. It’s a mobster game to show whos really in and whos out. Most politicians will happily shove money to a non-elected shake-down organisation so they can also rub shoulders with other politicians doing the same thing
        
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        October 17, 2024 1:11pm
      - kowtow
        
        BY/Geoff
        
        Thank you.
        
        Very interesting .
        
        I fully expect this coalition to cut back severely on that spend and on Peters the woke language from his dept.
        
        Otrherwise they’re lying hypocrites.
        
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        October 17, 2024 2:16pm
    - Philview
      
      Comparing the Trump/Vance ticket and Harris/Waltz ticket, I would vote for Trump because of Vance. Vance talks well, is very bright and has a good sense of humour.
      
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      October 17, 2024 11:26am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    I don’t downtick but if I were to do that for ST’s comment it would be for the following reasons.
    
    Being boring in bringing up the Hitler trope again (disguised in a roundabout way as a “discussion”) when it’s been done to death (and failed). In fact all of this personal attack BS which the US Left just can’t seem to let go of but which others priced into their Trump vote years ago. As the actor Dennis Quaid said the other day, “He may be an asshole. But he’s my asshole”. Besides, after watching the drooling over the early careers of Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Barack Obama and our own Ardern, I think these people are projecting not analysing.
    
    Not focusing on how a Trump administration would affect people’s everyday lives – except for screaming that Trump will have them arrested and sent to concentration camps and the FBI as the NKVD while he stupidly starts a nuclear war (we heard most of this in 2015-16).
    
    Relying on a link to the legacy media, even as polls show they’re at the lowest levels of public trust ever – and for good reason, as CBS’s recent edits of Harris and House Speaker Johnson have shown.
    
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    October 17, 2024 10:18am
    - imalwaysright
      
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      A single reply has more validity than a hundred downticks.
      
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      October 17, 2024 11:29am
    - thirteenstars
      
      “He may be an asshole. But he’s my asshole.”
      
      Indeed. As an American friend says about Trump, he pisses off all the right people.
      
      Sometimes it pays to judge a person not by the company they keep but by those they antagonise.
      
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      October 17, 2024 11:36am
  - Steve Todd
    
    @David Garrett @ 9:19AM
    
    I knew full well I would be “downticked to oblivion”, David, but downticks have never bothered me. As Steve Otto(North Shore) might say, they prove I’m over the target, or something.
    
    Upthread, kowtow implied that I suffer from TDS – “[…] they never stop blowing the ‘T’ word.” What nonsense. While I have certainly made clear my opposition to Trump, just as many here have made clear their opposition to Harris – but no-one here accuses them of HDS, do they? – I have hardly gone on and on about him. In fact, my last substantive mention of him was in response to Swifty, following the debate on 11 September. What people of kowtow’s ilk are essentially saying, is that any views opposing Trump must, by definition, be irrational. Clearly, more nonsense.
    
    I considered the essay I have linked to, to be worthy of dissemination on Kiwiblog. It contains information and opinions that I wanted to bring to the attention of Kiwibloggers, particularly those who support Trump no matter what. (Apparently, his economic policies – including huge Tariffs, i.e., duty rates, on imported goods! – are so superior to Harris’s, that all his many faults can be safely overlooked. I say that is patent nonsense.) If people disagree with the content, that’s fine by me.
    
    It is clear to me that many of my downtickers flicked me a downtick without reading the essay first. While they might still have given me a downtick, they would have done so knowing what the author considers the parallels between Trump and Hitler to be (as I say, they are startling), and that knowledge might have given them pause for thought. Or not. Either way, the essay has reached a wider audience, which is what I wanted.
    
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    October 17, 2024 11:22am
    - Scott
      
      I did try and read the Trump is Hitler essay but as I suspected it was so unhinged I couldn’t make it more than half way through.
      
      Trump is nothing like Hitler. He has no concentration camps and no one is dead because of him. He’s started no new wars.
      
      His Democrat opponents on tbe other hand have never found an endless war they don’t like, imprisoned many people after Jan 6th and never accept the result of an election that they lose eg 2016.
      
      Trump does do mean tweets. On the other hand he aims to make Americans prosperous, defend America’s manufacturing base and under his presidency real wages rose and black unemployment was at the lowest level ever recorded.
      
      The idea that “Trump is Hitler” is the very definition of TDS. It’s not only wrong but as wrong as wrong can be.
      
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      October 17, 2024 12:51pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        No-one is suggesting “Trump is Hitler”, Scott. As I highlighted in my post, Zoellner concludes that, “Trump echoes aspects of Hitler in tone, personality, and style, [but that] the parallels break down as often as they line up.” While he concedes that “Trump may not be ‘the American Hitler,’” he does pose the question, ‘how could an American president like him have been plausible in the first place?’”
        
        Clearly, you read none of that. Drawing parallels, i.e., comparisons, between Trump and Hitler, which “break down as often as they line up”, and concluding that Trump merely [my word] “echoes aspects of Hitler in tone, personality, and style”, is not in any way saying, “Trump is Hitler”.
        
        I believe you chose to misrepresent my post, and the essay, for your own purposes. I doubt you got anywhere near half-way through it. Why? Because there is no way anyone reading that essay would describe it as “unhinged”.
        
        Let’s wait and see if Trump gets a second term, and how he conducts himself during such term, knowing he doesn’t have to go back to the People again, before deciding whether his running mate was right about him, or not.
        
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        October 17, 2024 3:06pm
      - Scott
        
        “No-one is suggesting “Trump is Hitler”, Scott.”
        
        The title of the piece you posted is:
        
        Is Trump “America’s Hitler”?
        
        Sorry Steve, that article is an epic fail. Trump is not a dictator, he has governed well in his 4 years in office and if elected, he will govern well in the next 4 years.
        
        And then he will leave office and hopefully many people around the world will recover their mental equilibrium. 😎
        
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        October 17, 2024 3:42pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Oh, Scott, the title is the question inspired by JD Vance’s assertion that Trump is an American Hitler.
        
        The splurge under the title says—
        
        Donald Trump is sometimes compared to Adolf Hitler in his narcissism and authoritarianism. Tom Zoellner looks at German history for parallels and contradictions.
        
        Note sometimes compared to, not is. The author makes the comparisons, then concludes that they break down as often as they line up. How can you say the essay “is an epic fail” when you didn’t even read it, and following such a conclusion?
        
        Whether Trump wins or loses the election is neither here nor there to me, other than that I would be mildly disappointed that my preferred candidate was unsuccessful. I’ve preferred losing presidential candidates before and survived. If it comes to it, I will do so again.
        
        I have no doubt though, that should he win the election, Trump 47 will be a very different kettle of fish to Trump 45, and not in a good way.
        
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        October 17, 2024 4:40pm
    - kowtow
      
      I wouldn’t “imply” you suffer from TDS , I say straight up you have a severe dose of it.
      
      I’m looking forward to election night in the USA , I foresee , like the Roman, an awful lot of exploding heads.
      
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      October 17, 2024 2:19pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Based on what? Mere political opposition? What nonsense. On that basis, you must have HDS. I mean, “Easily bed”? Really?
        
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        October 17, 2024 4:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Over the Target” my left tit. The downticks for you were because of severe TDS. Nothing more, nothing less. TDS.
      
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      October 17, 2024 3:21pm
- Grunter
  
  Here’s a more rational summation of Trump. Just gone viral on X (over 55 million views in a day).
  
  This echos my own view of Trump. He is obviously far from perfect but still leaves Harris in the dust
  
  https://search.app/86pp4nHwY8MiC8d99
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:36am
  - NothingLeft
    
    yep, Trump is the far lesser of two evils, and (most critically in my view) is motivated and with the strong and diverse team of capable folks in his camp (Ramaswamy, Gabbard, Kennedy, Vance, Musk et al) he may be able to roll back some of the deeply troubling anti-democratic moves by ‘deep state’ towards neo-fascistic authoritarian rule.
    
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    October 17, 2024 11:50am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Now he has others to help him “drain the swamp.
      Why else would they want to kill him?
      The 2025 US Govt is going to take away the Democrat’s ‘binky.’
      
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      October 17, 2024 4:05pm
- judith8409121
  
  Thats right – Trump has two legs Adolf had two legs – they are so close its amazing.
  
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  October 17, 2024 10:39am
  - kowtow
    
    Funny thing is the Usual Suspects here failed to jump in immediately with their “Godwin” gotcha .
    
    But of course that’s cos in this case Godwin doesn’t apply!
    
    It’s different when the Bolshies do it.
    
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    October 17, 2024 12:21pm
- Homas
  
  Yes, who can forget [Mod – use proper names] you-can’t-come-into-my-country-uninvited-and-if-you-do-try-I’ll-make-you-wait-outside-while-we-process-your-application speech? Truly stunning, the parallels are.
  
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  October 17, 2024 10:41am
  - Homas
    
    Whoosh! Mod Woosh!
    
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    October 17, 2024 2:39pm
- gnodeb
  
  The real question is, how could anyone write such an essay, and how boring must someone’s life be to read it?
  
  If I have to say what was so bad about Hitler, it must be that he was an absolute tyrant to his own citizens and an absolute terror to the rest of the world. Whoever has been in charge of the US since WWII fits that description. Domestic control is total, and foreign brutality is obvious.
  
  As an outsider, I see no difference between Bush and Obama. They both committed war crimes abroad and crushed local critics. Both Trump and Harris were in charge, and both have terrible records. The only difference is that Harris embraces and celebrates total brutality, while Trump occasionally has more acceptable rhetoric.
  
  To answer your question, how is it possible that Trump is an option? Because Hillary and Harris were and are that bad. They are so bad that it is hard to accept it is not intentional. Trump is more likely to be part of the same machinery than real opposition. The uni-party has sucked the air out of the room; voters haven’t had a real choice in the primaries for decades.
  
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  October 17, 2024 12:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

We’re from the Govt and we’re here to help. Not needed.
Redneck Air Force Steps Up to the Plate After FEMA Fails North Carolina.
“This isn’t some disorganized group of do-gooders.”
“The Redneck Air Force is flying privately owned aircraft to deliver doctors, volunteers, generators, fuel, and food to people stuck in flooded areas where roads have been destroyed and whole towns have been washed away. The group also has access to military trucks loaded with supplies for devastated communities.”
Seems to be running like a well oiled diesel engine.

https://thepatriotexpress.com/therightwingclub/redneck-air-force-steps-up-to-the-plate-after-fema-fails-north-carolina/?
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October 17, 2024 8:06am
- MCōs
  
  Funnily enough there’s two sides to these stories
  There’s that peddled by the likes of publications with names like Patriot Express and there’s this one
  Take your pick.
  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/helene-recovery-complicated-by-lies-hoaxes-and-conspiracy-theories
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Patriot Express is not Mainstream Media so it must be dodgy fake news?
    CNN is much better.
    PBS is covering up the incompetence of the Biden/Harris admin. Useless lefties.
    
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    October 17, 2024 9:17am
    - MCōs
      
      As I say
      Take your pick. Maybe someone should phone someone on the spot rather than rely on these people pushing an agenda
      
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      October 17, 2024 10:39am
  - NothingLeft
    
    LOL. PBS are democrat apologists/propagandists, like most of MSM. Everything they write is in the cause of preventing Trump tipping over the apple cart of democrat control of US govt.
    
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    October 17, 2024 11:55am
imalwaysright

Can’t see Sleepy Joe surviving too much longer.
He’s being a wee bit difficult regards Kamala and it wouldn’t do her image any harm to run as President.
Plus, trying again to murder Donald would look a bit obvious.
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October 17, 2024 8:09am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NASA baffled.

https://babylonbee.com/news/nasa-baffled-at-how-elon-managed-to-succeed-without-as-many-gay-non-binary-muslim-dwarfs-of-color-as-they-have?
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October 17, 2024 8:10am
- Burtland
  
  Musks success seems to be causing another derangement syndrome amongst leftards
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:30am
- David Garrett
  
  Steve O: Fucking brilliant! “non-binary Muslim dwarfs”….love it.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I guess Elon is not taking them to Mars.
    
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    October 17, 2024 9:18am
- Inandout
  
  SO, NASA’s cost structure is 20 times greater than SpaceX in similar ventures into space. Little wonder any US government venture outside planet Earth is so bloody expensive.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:21am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    It may even be worse than that:
    
    In 2019, NASA awarded a $383 million contract to Bechtel to design and build a second mobile launcher that will be used to transport the SLS rocket to its launchpad for the upcoming Artemis 4 mission, scheduled for launch in September 2028. At the time, Bechtel was supposed to deliver the launcher by March 2023.
    …
    Despite the initial cost projections, the OIG report (NASA’s Office of Inspector General) estimates that the mobile launcher could end up costing $2.7 billion and that it would not be ready to support the SLS launch until September 2029.
    
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    October 17, 2024 5:09pm
Matt Long

Very pleasing to see prosecution teams following the Crown Solicitor’s directives even back in 1985.
“A key witness statement was changed to remove the description of a man seen fleeing the scene as Māori – Hall is Pākehā.”
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/10/16/police-commissioner-apologises-to-alan-hall/?ref=goodoil.news
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October 17, 2024 8:10am
- pdm
  
  Matt we also know that the Solicitor Generals instruction conflicts with the Police Oath.
  
  Have a look here:
  https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/10/17/an-informed-comment-on-how-the-solicitor-generals-instruction-conflicts-with-the-police-oath/
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:14am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is worse.
    
    Space X is being sued by the Justice Department for employment discrimination towards asylum seekers who have crossed the southern border.
    
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-spacex-discriminating-against-asylees-and-refugees-hiring
    
    Elon Musk has pointed out that Space X must ensure that its hires can obtain security clearances because it is engaged in defence work. The folk streaming over the southern border probably don’t qualify. 😩
    
    IIRC Space X has won round one of the battle in the courts, but the Justice Department is pressing on to appeal courts.
    
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    October 17, 2024 8:28am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      [That was intended as a reply to Steve Otto, above.]
      
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      October 17, 2024 8:38am
    - Raphael
      
      California just blocked SpaceX from being able to do an additional 50 launches from Vanderburg Airforce Base (the Launches have full backing from the Airforce) because they don’t like Musk’s politics.
      
      https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/10/california-reject-musk-spacex-00183371
      
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      October 17, 2024 8:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I hope you guys know that babylon bee is satire, right?
      
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      October 17, 2024 9:26am
      - waikatosinger
        
        It is hard to tell what is satire these days. The real world is often more crazy than satire it seems.
        
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        October 17, 2024 9:54am
      - Local Miller
        
        Noooooo!
        
        Who needs the Babylon Bee when you have the real world?
        
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        October 17, 2024 10:18am
    - NothingLeft
      
      ITAR (international traffic in arms) laws explicitly restrict defense contractors from employing non-US residents/ green card holders. This has prevented me personally from working on defense technologies in the US.
      
      Biden DOJ is utterly corrupt/evil. This is yet more wasteful lawfare designed to inflict economic punishment on SpaceX (due to association with regime enemy Musk) using taxpayer funds.
      
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      October 17, 2024 11:59am
    - kowtow
      
      That lawfare is interesting.
      
      Yesterday’s WSJ had an editorial on a guy called Dan Clifton of Strategas Reseach Partners who has shown that companies that represent 40% of the capitalisation of the S + P 500 are under investigation by the Justice Dept for something .
      
      The list shows the degree to which the Biden Admin has unleashed the state against succesful businesses.
      Democrats , it says , need villains to run against .
      Uncle Sam is coming for you.
      
      Also in the WSJ yesterday is an opinion piece regarding the EU adopting “the Corporate Sustainability Due Diligence Directive’. It imposes growth killing rules on US businesses.
      Converts a range of int’l conventions into binding law enforceable on American companies.
      Forces adherence to EU’s net zero carbon emissions targets and compliance with onerous labor related standards.
      Establishes a private right of action that gives activists an incentive to bombard companies with frivolous lawsuits .
      
      The cost to US businesses is in the hundreds of millions.
      
      Yet our te media go on and on about Trump tarrifs and isolationism.
      
      Who are the real villains.
      
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      October 17, 2024 12:07pm
      - Raphael
        
        Yet our te media go on and on about Trump tarrifs and isolationism.
        
        And what most of the media is ignoring is that Trump is talking about reciprocal tariffs. So mirroring the tariffs a country is putting onto the US.
        
        He’s not talking about blanket high tariffs.
        
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        October 17, 2024 4:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I wonder if 40 years on there is still some DNA of the offender that could be retrieved from the beanie and the bayonet found at the murder scene, or the squash racket that Easton’s son used to hit the attacker.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_conviction_of_Alan_Hall
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:53am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I wonder if the Police has managed not to lose those items.
    
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    October 17, 2024 7:11pm
kowtow

NZME have an item on their website ; Sunday panel ,can we get people to trust the media again.

Yesterday their news quoted K Harris calling Trump unhinged , then immediately followed that up , as evidence , with the 40 min dancegate and his slip saying January instead of November.

Yesterday too ,HDPA on her show then banged on about the Trump “playlist” , dancegate again . And again as with their “news” she failed to give the context of the alleged bizarre dance performance . Which any news tragic will now know was due to a crowd / medical issue.

And yet they wonder openly why they’re not trusted .

The Disinformation Project is still alive and well.
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October 17, 2024 8:11am
- All_on_Red
  
  The ‘narrative’ from the Dems has now pivoted to cast doubt on Trumps health and hence fitness to be President.
  They dont appear to have any other argument and of course the usefool morons have fallen in lockstep to spread that narrative.
  Of course not a word was said by these people about Biden.
  
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  October 17, 2024 10:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Different when the left do it.
    
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    October 17, 2024 10:56am
vand

Jacinda “Are you creating two classes of people? Yip Yip” Ardern should, have got a “shamehood”. Too cowardly to receive her ”30 pieces of silver” ” in New Zealand.
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October 17, 2024 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  Given her “branding” as a global something or other the huge publicity splash of getting William Gong at Buck Palace, the consequent profile lift and speaker circuit earnings potential therefrom must be well worth her going against her well known and deeply held principles of climate/ equity warriorism .
  
  Paris is worth a Mass and all that.
  
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  October 17, 2024 11:33am
Paulus

We have finally, after many years, to cancel the Bay of of Plenty Times, an NZME baby of the Herald.
Why ? – because every day and for some time it is filled with full pages of Advertising for Harvey Norman.
Either they or NZME must be financially desperate to continue daily this practice.
Last Saurday, to which I complained, took 11 out of 24 full broadsheet pages, doing the same thing.
Must find Cryptic Crossword book for my wife being the only reason we continued,
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October 17, 2024 8:12am
ecco

You’ll find a puke inducing article on nzh today about the biggest hypocrite in nz receiving a damehood from Willy. Not even going to click on that.

Surely that’s enough of a reason to ditch the monarchy here, when the crown prince is so out of touch with the damage the woman did to this country. All Willy seems to have done is drink Ardern’s koolaid.
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October 17, 2024 8:15am
- ecco
  
  The Telegraph in the UK is running a nice story about Jacinda Ardern getting a damehood at Buck Palace. The comments section would make some light afternoon reading 🤣 on what the Poms think of her, and now Willy as well. Comment count sitting at 1265.
  
  Looks like she’s going to make sure Willy can never set foot in NZ again either… I guess she couldn’t resist the publicity photo op.
  
  It’s behind a paywall but well worth the sub to read this stuff since the NZ MSM never dare open up articles to the public for comment.
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/10/16/prince-william-makes-republican-jacinda-ardern-a-dame/#comment
  
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  October 17, 2024 1:42pm
Terry Dalee

“Jacinda Ardern hopes to ‘spread a little kindness’ as she is made a dame”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/16/jacinda-ardern-hopes-to-spread-a-little-kindness-as-she-is-made-a-dame

Cause the last thing the world needs is any form of “kindness” from that walking train wreck….

Damehood for fucking up New Zealand. 🙄
Brilliant, and she’s a republican to boot. Hypocritical much?
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October 17, 2024 8:16am
- muzled
  
  Is Brand Jacinda the first avowed socialist to take a damehood?
  
  I’m sure she’s not but most people had more substance than that.
  
  Remember, it’s all about the brand.
  
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  October 17, 2024 12:17pm
  - AitchW
    
    Dame Jacinda is worth an extra 50k on her after dinner speeches…
    
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    October 17, 2024 2:25pm
  - Flossie
    
    Helen Clark was more principled
    I believe she turned down the offer.
    
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    October 17, 2024 2:48pm
- kowtow
  
  muzled
  
  Given the number of DJ’s let in during The Great LockDowns , it’s more a case of ;
  
  All about the bands.
  
  I wonder why.
  
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  October 17, 2024 2:24pm
Close Hen Counters

Spread a little kindness – spare me. Are the Māoris going to have a go at Ardern for misappropriating the use of a Maori cloak? She doesn’t even live in NZ anymore ffs. Worst PM ever
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October 17, 2024 8:19am
- lifesgood
  
  Is she part Maori? If not why in the hell is she draping herself in a Maori cloak? Bloody shameful. She’ll have a chin tattoo next. Obviously hates herself for messing up this country and is trying to be something else. Or am I dreaming?
  
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  October 17, 2024 10:16am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump opponents to be thrown in concentration camps? No such luck.
“What is it about this moderate, friendly, charming, witty, and handsome real estate genius that turns liberals into stark, raving-mad lunatics?”
Seal Team six on standby?

https://freedomeagledaily.com/theteapartydaily/we-wish-deranged-trump-opponents-keep-claiming-hell-throw-them-in-concentration-camps/?
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October 17, 2024 8:20am
Yvette

Damn Treaty – yet again

The argument which Mr Modlik advanced for why Maori chiefs had not ceded sovereignty in 1840 seemed to be based on the notion that it would have been ridiculous to expect some hundreds of chiefs, representing perhaps 100,000 people, to have surrendered ultimate authority to a couple of British officers and a handful of missionaries. – Don Brash

The argument expressed above is a position which will not be persuaded easily to any other view.
Not, certainly, by disciples of Julian Batchelor holding clandestine Friday meetings to study the Word of the True Treaty in upstairs rooms of Tauranga coffee bars – at the other end of a bizarre scale.

The New Zealand Constitutional Rights Legislation (or some other neutral name) should have nothing to do with the Treaty, – but to perhaps mention, in a Preamble, the absolute confusion (over the Treaty) as being the raison d’être for a Rights Restatement Bill.

Luxon, who leads an apparently SOVEREIGN Government, buys and sells property as if the rights are protected, and is where he is because of equal voter rights and responsibilities, but seems to not be able to support ACT instigated legislation which clarifies (sight so far unseen, so we hope it clarifies) all these points.

Is Luxon put off simply because he knows the Treaty Principles Bill will mention the utterly ambiguous* Treaty?

I do hope David Seymour is ready with Plan B
Think of this when la merde frappe le ventilateur in November

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* “utterly ambiguous” when you take it with its partner piece – He Whakaputanga, the 1835 Declaration of Independence – northern chiefs asserting their sovereignty over New Zealand and using the word “rangatiratanga” (chieftainship), while the Treaty used “kawanatanga” (governorship) – bound to engender a little confusion 184 years later.
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October 17, 2024 8:22am
kevn

SteveO… Deranged desperate Demos.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-harris-and-walz-both-claim-trump-will-deploy-military-americans-who-dont-support
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October 17, 2024 8:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump will want those who tried to destroy him prosecuted. Judges like Engoran, Merchan. Prosecutors like Letitia James, Alvin Bragg, Jack Smith. All of those who turned Justice into Politics.
  $454M bond down to $175M. What a joke Engoron is.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:36am
DimChappie

What a nice day here in Wokeington. At last, a mainstream article (Herald) about the racist Prosecution Guidelines. It is paywalled but the headline is unambiguous: `Audrey Young: Solicitor-General Una Jagose collides with Govt over prosecution guidelines”
The intro:
“It is astonishing that the seasoned Solicitor-General, Una Jagose, KC, has got herself into political difficulty over the latest revision of the Prosecution Guidelines in which she asks prosecutors to “think carefully about particular decisions… where a person is Māori”.
“Astonishingly, she did not foresee the political difficulty it would place the Government in, or she did foresee it and continued anyway.
Young concludes: “ She is clearly including guidance to think carefully about prosecuting when the offender is Māori. That is problematic at any time, let alone for a Government that is united on one thing if nothing else – equal treatment of citizens.”
Judith Collins, please take this opportunity to send a message to the Critical Race Theorist public servants: we reject your nonsense.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/audrey-young-solicitor-general-una-jagose-collides-with-govt-over-prosecution-guidelines/PR76WL6IAJDDZEUNEZSCGBBPFI/
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October 17, 2024 8:29am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The problem is that the Solicitor General is not a public servant. She is one of the two “Law Officers of the Crown”. The other being Judith Collins.
  
  https://www.crownlaw.govt.nz/about-us/law-officers/
  
  She is appointed by the Governor General.
  
  She is unusual in that her appointment is not governed by legislation. So there are no legislated grounds for dismissal.
  
  She cannot be directed to withdraw those prosecution guidelines. Of course Judith could tell her that the Government has lost confidence in her. In an extreme scenario, the PM could advise the GG to dismiss her.
  
  Will be interesting to watch.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:54am
  - Clyde
    
    There is an alternative – this woman should be encouraged to resign. That can be achieved by a LOT of people asking her to do just that.
    
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    October 17, 2024 10:01am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes I am aware. I am just saying if she dug her heels in, things could be tricky. She is not just like a garden variety crown entity board chair who can just be sacked any old time.
      
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      October 17, 2024 11:29am
    - kowtow
      
      Finlayson appointment .
      
      The Gnats are not your friends.
      
      They’re very dangerous for our egalitarian constitutional principles .
      
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      October 17, 2024 11:42am
      - Ghost
        
        And did she go against that government?. This review appears to started under labour, echoing what the govt of the time was doing. But don’t worry, according to Seymour, Judith is all over this
        
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        October 17, 2024 11:53am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “But don’t worry, according to Seymour, Judith is all over this…”
        
        And if the Solicitor General politely says “No I’m not changing the guidelines.” what then?
        
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        October 17, 2024 12:44pm
      - kowtow
        
        Ghost
        
        She clearly sees herself as an enabler.
        
        This dates to 2018 .
        
        https://maorilawreview.co.nz/2018/11/the-role-of-the-solicitor-general-in-modern-aotearoa-una-jagose/
        
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        October 17, 2024 12:51pm
    - kiwi_chileno
      
      There is another alternative – an Act of Attainder. Then do the Chief Justice.
      
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      October 17, 2024 4:49pm
  - Burtland
    
    Jagose can read the room – shes saying I’m the boss
    … neomarxism is alive and well in Crown Law, the march continues
    
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    October 17, 2024 10:29am
Scooter

Funny how DJ aka Dame Jacinda can manage 2 trips to Italy this year to pick up so called awards but can’t get to NZ her home country to accept her latest. But don’t worry fame and fortune hasn’t changed her and she’s been busy (must have filled up the tank).

According to the article she has been supporting conservationism in marine environments and Antarctica i.e going fishing with Clarke; writing a book i.e her memoirs; teaching and “supporting others who want to practise empathetic leadership i.e indoctrinating students at Harvard (as if she knows what empathetic means?).

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/dame-jacinda-ardern-bestowed-with-damehood-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony/MR32SPPSVFFYPM7VHIL7H3TM2A/
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October 17, 2024 8:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “travel commitments had meant she hadn’t been able to make it to an investiture ceremony on home soil.”
  Another lie from the compulsive liar. She has finally realised that most Kiwis hate her guts for what she did to our lovely Country.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:51am
  - Clyde
    
    Could this woman not be declared a noxious pest under the prohibited weeds act?
    
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    October 17, 2024 10:03am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    New Zealand is no more than 20 hours flight from anywhere. She has stacks of money for first class travel. Of course she could have made it back here.
    
    I find it best just to not think about her.
    
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    October 17, 2024 11:32am
    - Cassandra
      
      Wouldn’t make 🇬🇧 newspapers if she was damed (insert n if you wish) in Wellington. Marketing 101. She’s silly but as cunning as a M… dog.
      
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      October 17, 2024 1:30pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Less popular than vomit with a large fraction of the population. She can’t walk the streets of NZ without running into people that her regime seriously fucked over. She’ll likely spend much of the rest of her life off shore.
  
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  October 17, 2024 12:08pm
Flossie

Terrible start to my day, and I admit it’s self inflicted.
Suffice to say I succumbed to curiosity and read the Herald piece regarding the investiture of Ardern.
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October 17, 2024 8:31am
- MCōs
  
  Thoughts and prayers
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:39am
- pdm
  
  Poor you Floss and poor Prince Willie!!!
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:46am
- David Garrett
  
  Flossie: One looked at the Toothy Princess and I almost brought up my Weet-bix…I sure as hell didn’t read the undoubtedly hagiographic “story” that accompanied it.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:04am
- imalwaysright
  
  F
  You can now say you have A.D.D.
  
  Adern Damehood Dysphoria.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:06am
- Nukuleka
  
  Republican Ardern accepts royal Damehood from Prince William. Sheer hypocrisy.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:07am
  - David Garrett
    
    Nuku: Hypocrisy goes hand in hand with being a leftie. Helen Clark is rumoured to own half a dozen properties in Auckland, and the late Michael Cullen – a proudly self proclaimed socialist – apparently owned 18 when he died.
    
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    October 17, 2024 9:24am
    - AitchW
      
      DG, he wasn’t a rich prick was he?
      
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      October 17, 2024 2:28pm
  - kowtow
    
    And travelled , during her climate emergency , for it.
    
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    October 17, 2024 9:31am
- alex Masterley
  
  I hope you have a speedy recovery.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You won’t do that again for a while right?
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:37am
Matt Long

A friend’s father is following a similar protocol and they say his cancer is shrinking.
But horse medicine that’s outside it’s lucrative patent phase, I can’t see the pharmaceutical industry allowing that to continue.
https://vigilantnews.com/post/cancer-researcher-drops-ivermectin-bombshell/
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October 17, 2024 8:32am
- MCōs
  
  This has been known about for years
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:51am
  - I remember when
    
    Mcos:
    But interestingly never mentioned during the Covid use debate.
    
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    October 17, 2024 9:12am
    - kowtow
      
      It was , but only to mock , sneer and smear.
      
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      October 17, 2024 11:44am
  - Graeme Hall
    
    Pity no-one told Dame Cindy & Sir Dr Bloomfield. Might have saved us a lot of grief & expense.
    
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    October 17, 2024 9:21am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Obviously back then it wasn’t “safe and effective.”//
      
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      October 17, 2024 9:55am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report: at 8.30 – zero bikes.

A beautifully cool, dry, windless morning in the Capital. Ideal for cycling.
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October 17, 2024 8:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can’t the Council just buy a few bike and put them in the rack to make things look good?
  Better shut up – they are dumb enough to do just that.
  
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  October 17, 2024 11:09am
kevn

Flossie… The comments balance it all out.
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/10/16/lockdown-queen-jacinda-ardern-receives-damehood-at-windsor-castle-for-draconian-covid-19-response/
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October 17, 2024 8:33am
- Blog-aholic
  
  And the Telegraph comments too……
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:38am
- AitchW
  
  Maybe the UK media will read those comments and start to realise that for 6 years Jacinda made a concerted effort to destroy our economy and our society. Perhaps they’ll get off their shiny backsides and do some real journalism to see the mess that she has left for the coalition government to fix.
  Or will they simply interview their laptops and swallow the narrative repeated ad nauseum by our media that her government was kind and fluffy and that she personally saved tens of thousands of lives and this current government is responsible for the god awful mess we are in as a country and a people?
  I fear the latter is far more likely.
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:43am
  - Burtland
    
    the BBC only seems to have the biased Colin Peacock from RNZ for comment
    
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    October 17, 2024 10:11am
- Flossie
  
  Thanks kevn. I feel a bit better after reading those comments!
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:46am
- mandk
  
  I would award her a VH.
  
  Vainglorious Hypocrite
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:54am
Pope Punctilious II

Dental health of all too many Maori is a disaster:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350454071/blown-away-extreme-need-whanau-swamp-free-dental-clinics-whanganui
Are kids taught at school how to look after their teeth? Does anyone have up-to-date info on this? It’s plain that some parents can’t be relied on to teach kids how to clean and floss.
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October 17, 2024 8:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

US Govt employees getting the shits. They might get the DCM.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/they-re-so-vindictive-government-employees-take-steps-to-protect-themselves-if-trump-wins/ar-AA1skyCQ?
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October 17, 2024 8:36am
Cassandra

It’s reported that a prisoner, Francis Shaw, has been on a hunger strike for 89 days, without fluid since 7 October. That’s 9 days without water which is the outer limit. 89 days without food is also the outer limit. Bobby Sands died after 66 days. This bloke, who is arguing for a Maori parliament, is actually on a diet rather than a hunger strike. And he might not even be on a diet. But good on him, I hope he achieves his aim – weight loss, not death, although it’s a free country.
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October 17, 2024 8:39am
- Cassandra
  
  Update: it’s actually 92 days without food. He’s now taking fluids again. As well as water, he’s asked for soup (chicken noodle, French 🇫🇷 onion with crusty bread and cheese), fruit juice and one or two whiskies in the evening, perhaps with some chippies, nuts and a little more cheese and crackers. I heard that last bit from a friend. His weight is now stable. We can all relax.
  
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  October 17, 2024 8:50am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Don’t think he needs any more crackers.
    
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    October 17, 2024 9:04am
  - Matt Long
    
    Soup diet.
    https://www.livestrong.com/article/539016-how-to-lose-20-pounds-by-eating-soup/
    
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    October 17, 2024 12:24pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Bobby Sands died after 66 days’
  
  Oh dear , how sad , never mind.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:06am
  - NothingLeft
    
    what was Bobby Sand’s phone number?
    
    eight none eight none eight none.
    
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    October 17, 2024 12:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Mr Shaw has always had an unique way of expressing his political desire for Maori autonomy:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-who-burned-down-church-gets-four-years/JKDWSRUO4MJ2FPI5RLIYAX6D4E/
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:08am
  - cas
    
    That church was absolutely magnificent. He should have been sentenced for life for burning it down.
    
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    October 17, 2024 9:14am
  - David Garrett
    
    maggy: Did you note that the now ubiquitous sloppy sub-editing – I think they still did some back then – was occurring even back in 2008?
    
    The arsonist apparently appeared in the District Court in some unknown place called “Palmerston” – neither north nor south.
    
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    October 17, 2024 9:28am
    - Flossie
      
      There is a town in South Island called simply Palmerston. No South attached.
      
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      October 17, 2024 11:24am
      - David Garrett
        
        Flossie: Indeed there is…but that is NOT where this idiot appeared in the District Court back in 2008.
        
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        October 17, 2024 1:01pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  If he wants to go on a hunger strike leave him be. There will only be one of two outcomes.
  1. He decides to start eating and drinking again
  or
  2. He dies (by his own choice)
  Makes no difference either way.
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:48am
Swifty

Gary Judd is a bloody hero.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/531029/mps-consider-request-to-halt-tikanga-law-course

I ask again. Exactly how are the man and woman in the street to benefit from having this amorphous ‘tikanga’ foisted into our legal system by the elites (uncalled for by the many) and does that man and woman get a say over the very legal system they will live their lives under – or are we so stupid that the elites must make these decisions for us, like children.
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October 17, 2024 8:39am
Simon

Any updates on HMNZS DEI Clown Show?

MSM have fallen in line. As expected. Collins & Luxon duly clowned themselves for the navy. Sold themselves out for some shit house useless govt department. In this case the fucking navy.

$1 million went up to Samoa super quick. Used this money to pay off locals and local “experts”. Keep it all happy and under wraps. The S1 million was just a taster.

HMNZS Clown Show and the management of this epic fuckup so NZ circa 2024.
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October 17, 2024 8:50am
- imalwaysright
  
  Saw Collins calling out an Australian truckdriver for posting what she termed misogyny.
  Judith personally investigated him to find his details.
  She advised him to restrict his comments to those about other truck drivers!
  Apparently comments are not for male truck drivers.
  Maybe the investigation should be done by lesbian navy ship drivers who’ve managed to hit a foreign country with the ship.
  
  https://youtu.be/WC2luLe-2lQ?si=APl8ZUwFSZc6k2x5
  
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  October 17, 2024 10:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why can’t that ship be drained of fuel then just left there as an artificial reef?
  It is happening in Florida. The World’s largest artificial reef.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLVUBGsSwgc
  
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  October 17, 2024 11:26am
  - imalwaysright
    
    The reef divers would love it.
    
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    October 17, 2024 12:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Samoa, imo, is looking for a huge payout from New Zealand for damaging the reef.
    Desperately trying to find oil on the beaches, and dead marine life.
    The fact that the ship would make a great artificial reef is irrelevant. New Zealand will be charged on a yearly basis for dumping out junk there.
    Wrong? You decide.
    
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    October 17, 2024 4:54pm
Raphael

https://batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/adorni-says-40000-contracted-state-workers-will-face-suitability-test.phtml
so Argentina is making contracted civil servants take a competency test before they will renew their contracts.
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October 17, 2024 8:55am
Bridgenag

SENT TO ME

: Europe died at Auschwitz, during the 2nd World War – its worth remembering !!!!!!!

Who or what really died at Auschwitz? Here’s an interesting viewpoint. The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez and published in a Spanish newspaper. It doesn’t take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe – and possibly to the rest of the world.

I walked down the streets in Barcelona recently and suddenly discovered a terrible truth – Europe died in Auschwitz !! “We” killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims in the past 4 decades !!.

In Auschwitz, “we” burned a group of people who represented culture, thought, creativity, talent. “We” destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who made great contributions to the world, and thus changed the world .

The contribution of today’s Jewish people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. Look at any donors’ board at any symphony, art museum, theatre, art gallery, science centre, etc. You will see many, many, Jewish surnames. These are the people who were burned. Of the 6,000,000 who died, how many would have grown up to be gifted musicians, doctors, artists, philanthropists, or friends ?

And under the pretence of tolerance, and because “we” wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the diseases of racism and bigotry, Europe (and others) proceeded to open our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism, a lack of tolerance, AND crime and poverty – due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride .

They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime. Shut up in the apartments they receive free money from the government, whilst they plot the murder and destruction of their hospitable but naive hosts……..

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition. We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs. What a terrible mistake was made by Europe and her allies. .

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it ‘offends’ the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. Can you believe that….. It has not been removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how readily each country is cowardly giving in to it .

It is now approximately seventy years since the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six million Jews, twenty million Russians, ten million Christians, and nineteen-hundred Catholic priests who were ‘murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on, and humiliated. Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be ‘a myth ,’ it is imperative to make sure the world “never forgets.”

How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Centre ‘NEVER HAPPENED’ because it offends some Muslim in the United States? If our Judeo-Christian heritage is offensive to Muslims, they should pack up and move to Iran, Iraq or some other Muslim country .

We must wake up America, England, Australia, NZ, & Europe – before it’s too late !!.

” If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools ”.
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October 17, 2024 8:56am
- kiwi_chileno
  
  Your text is fake. Versions have been circulating since 2010, like https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/all-european-life-died-in-auschwitz/
  
  The original article was published in November 2004 – not 2008 – by Gentiuno, a Spanish anti-communist site https://gentiuno.com/ The author is Sebastián Vivar Rodríguez – certainly a nom de plume – not Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez.
  
  The article is not available anymore on Gentiuno but has been archived here http://web.archive.org/web/20041206200423/http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=1865 (reload the page if you get a time-out – the Internet Archive has just come back on-line after a DDoS attack)
  
  Original, authentic text (translated from the Spanish):
  
  I was walking along Rambla del Raval (Barcelona) and I saw it clearly:
  
  “The truth does not marry anyone” (Spanish saying)
  
  We murdered 6 million Jews, ending up importing 20 million Muslims, usually fundamentalists.
  
  What is not possible to generalize? Well, given how things have gone for us, I think it can be generalized.What if there are exceptions? Okay… but they are exceptions.
  
  For the rest, that is, in general it must be said that in Auschwitz we burn culture, intelligence and the ability to create wealth ; We burn the people of the world, those who proclaim themselves God’s chosen one. Because it is the people who have provided Humanity with the greatest minds, capable of changing the course of history (Christ, Marx, Einstein, Freud), and great moments of progress and well-being.
  
  And it is also necessary to say that the result of relaxing borders and cultural and value relativism under the absurd pretext of tolerance have been these 20 million Muslims, often illiterate and fanatical that Europe has let in and who in the best of assumptions are, as I said, on this Rambla del Raval, maximum expression of the third world and the ghetto, and that in the worst case they prepare attacks like the one in Manhattan or Madrid, on the officially protected apartments that we provide them every day.
  
  We have changed culture, due to fanaticism, the ability to create wealth, due to the will to destroy it. To intelligence, for superstition.
  
  We have changed the self-improvement instinct of the Jews, who not even in the worst conditions imaginable have never tired of wanting a better world in peace, due to Leganés’ suicidal drive. Diamonds as portable wealth for the next time they must flee, for Palestinian stones against any attempt at peace.
  
  We have exchanged the pride of surviving for the fanatical obsession with dying, and in the process killing ourselves and our children. What a mistake we have made!
  
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  October 17, 2024 11:56am
  - MCōs
    
    Maybe you should find out why Hitler hated the Jews and you might find it wasn’t a million miles different from your justification for your loathing Muslims
    He blamed ‘world Jewry’ for Germany’s defeat in WWI and subsequent humiliation. Anti semitism was rife throughout Europe & America at the time. Jewish refugees/migrants from 1930’s Germany weren’t exactly welcomed with open arms.
    
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    October 17, 2024 1:33pm
    - Swifty
      
      ‘International Jewry’ I’ll thank you.
      
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      October 17, 2024 2:01pm
    - kowtow
      
      ‘Anti semitism was rife throughout Europe & America at the time. Jewish refugees/migrants from 1930’s Germany weren’t exactly welcomed with open arms.’
      
      Not just Europe /USA but particularly in the British Mandated territories where the Arabs were literally up in arms to prevent refugees ,in threat of certain death /genocide from finding safe haven.
      
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      October 17, 2024 2:32pm
kevn

Bridge… The actual link would be useful so it can be fwded to others.
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October 17, 2024 9:13am
- DimChappie
  
  Here is one link, obtained by googling author’s name:
  
  https://shulbythesea.co.uk/europe-died-at-auschwitz/
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:43am
- Yvette
  
  kevn –
  https://shulbythesea.co.uk/europe-died-at-auschwitz/
  
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  October 17, 2024 9:47am
Inandout

My God this must have been so uncomfortable for CNN to broadcast. Arabs who support Trump.
https://tousi.tv/
The video is Iranians Back Trump
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October 17, 2024 9:31am
John Loveridge

Last night I inadvertently happened to hear the shrew Lisa Owen interviewing Wellington councillor Tim Brown on Checkpoint. According to this rooster, after 2 years Tory Whanau is still new to the job and trying to find her feet. Words to that effect, anyway.
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October 17, 2024 9:35am
- Gravelroad
  
  Where are her feet?
  Under the table?
  For how much longer will Ms Whanau be feetless?
  Did they say?
  
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  October 17, 2024 11:11am
  - Matt Long
    
    She legless is what 8 believe they mean.
    
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    October 17, 2024 12:29pm
- cmm
  
  Someone “new to the job” shouldn’t be driving a billion dollar budget.
  
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  October 17, 2024 11:14am
  - John Loveridge
    
    After two years, someone isn’t new to the job.
    
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    October 17, 2024 11:58am
- imalwaysright
  
  ” trying to find her feet”
  
  Tell her to lean further forward.
  
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  October 17, 2024 12:07pm
  - rockape
    
    Hard to find your feet when you are leg less most of the time.
    
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    October 17, 2024 1:16pm
Vidar

It’s refreshing to see Trump campaigning in California, even though it’s not a state he’s likely to win.

However, this move highlights a couple of important points:

He’s doing so well that he can spare the time to campaign in a deep blue state.

He’s shifting his focus to the popular vote. If he wins the election but loses the popular vote again, the left’s outrage will be deafening. We’ve already got figures like “Tampon Tim” clamoring to abolish the electoral college.

Just imagine if U.S. elections were decided by the popular vote alone. The entire country would be controlled by cities like Los Angeles, New York, and Chicago—not an ideal scenario for the world in general.
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October 17, 2024 9:58am
- Matt Long
  
  Republicans need to win the House also or all of this term will be filled with impeachments and other junk.
  
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  October 17, 2024 12:31pm
- MCōs
  
  Maybe that’s why NZ is controlled by the big city MPs such as Luxon, Brown, Collins, Willis, Seymour, Bishop unlike the pre MMP days of Holyoake and the rural Nats.
  
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  October 17, 2024 1:17pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    …unlike the pre MMP days of Holyoake and the rural Nats.
    
    The days that many NZ Lefties like Chris Trotter constantly harken back to as our times of Golden Weather.
    
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    October 17, 2024 2:25pm
- AitchW
  
  Oh god, imagine the horror of a popular vote! One man, one vote.
  OF course the presidential election should be by popular vote!! Why should my vote in one state be worth that yours in another?
  The electoral college has the potential for gaming and corruption, a popular vote not so much.
  
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  October 17, 2024 2:10pm
lifesgood

Is she part Maori? If not why in the hell is she draping herself in a Maori cloak? Bloody shameful. She’ll have a chin tattoo next. Obviously hates herself for messing up this country and is trying to be something else. Or am I dreaming?
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October 17, 2024 10:25am
- cmm
  
  The royals eat that sort of stuff up.
  
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  October 17, 2024 11:09am
- AitchW
  
  Her good burkah was in the wash.
  
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  October 17, 2024 2:10pm
Tauhei Notts

I have just finished reading Peter Schweizer’s book “Clinton Cash”.
Has anybody on this site heard of Peter Schweizer? He draws a picture of the Clintons as reptiles. So much so that it is almost incredible.
Is that writer for real? If so the Clintons are no longer to be regarded as dodgy but instead they are despicable. I find that unusual as Hillary had been welcomed to our country almost as a new Mother Theresa.
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October 17, 2024 10:25am
- Interested Party
  
  I haven’t read it, but when it first came out it was big news (well not with the MSM)
  
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  October 17, 2024 12:05pm
  - MCōs
    
    It was reviewed by the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, the Guardian, which pointed out a series of factual inaccuracies . . . . . .
    
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    October 17, 2024 1:08pm
- Graeme Hall
  
  “Clinton Cash” has 92% 4 to 5 star ratings on Amazon out of 4,351 ratings.
  
  Peter Schweizer’s other book “Profiles in corruption” was a NY Times best seller & features all the usual Democrats, including Kamala and the Biden family.
  
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  October 17, 2024 3:47pm
cmm

879 firearms offenses committed across Auckland in the first six months of this year. So almost 5 per day – in Auckland alone.

Of those 18 (2%) were committed by licensed firearm owners. I am surprised it is even that high.

Since these statistics glob together all offenses from armed robbery to leaving a few rounds of 22 ammo in the glove box, I expect that most of the offenses by licensed firearms owners are of the less serious kind.

From this we can probably take:
1) Our licensing regime is generally working (other than occasional ball-dropping by the cops and giving Tarrant etc licenses). Licenses are going to generally responsible people.
2) The problems with firearms are not caused by legal gun owners. Clamping down harder on them is not going to move the needle.
3) Clearly criminals think nothing of owning illegal guns and using them. This suggests to me that the punishment for doing so isn’t harsh enough.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/gun-crime-on-the-rise-in-auckland-majority-of-offences-involve-illegally-owned-firearms/5V2P2GWKN5CDNGQVFFZ2K5FVKU/
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October 17, 2024 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  But Cindy bought all of the guns.
  She has the brains of a dead kumera.
  
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  October 17, 2024 11:32am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I wonder how many muslim countries she has visited.
    After Christchurch they would surely treat her as a hero!
    Maybe a couple of weeks in Gaza.
    They are her, after all.
    
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    October 17, 2024 12:17pm
Jack5

More than a thousand reader comments in the Telegraph on Ardern being made a dame, and they’re overwhelmingly hostile. An example, from one Bruce Watson:

“Beyond a joke. The Queen of Woke who destroyed the economy of NZ and stoked division. That she accepted such an honour from the ‘colonising’ non elected ‘royalty’ shows what she is really like. Someone without principles and on the continual make.”

And from Andrew Marshall:

Always interesting the hypocrisy of the left. Always willing to display their anti-monarchist sentiments until there is a title on offer.

The Telegraph’s report on the damned daming:

Prince of Wales makes
republican Jacinda
Ardern a Dame
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October 17, 2024 11:22am
- Blog-aholic
  
  But, but Hipkins is saying it is just a nasty minority that is making all the noise….lol….
  
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  October 17, 2024 12:01pm
- Swifty
  
  Someone should ask her whether Maori ceded sovereignty, or indeed whether William’s father is sovereign over Maori today?
  
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  October 17, 2024 12:22pm
  - kowtow
    
    She couldn’t recall the 3 articles w/o Jackson on her shoulder prompting .
    
    She is a lightweight , but had plenty of short, meaningless sound bites .
    
    perfect for the modern media environment and low intelligence voters.
    
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    October 17, 2024 12:58pm
Bobba Fret

According to Newstalk ZB news, Tory has emerged from the meeting with Simeon and said the meeting was friendly.
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October 17, 2024 11:36am
- John Loveridge
  
  I guess she’s off for a wee nap now.
  
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  October 17, 2024 12:00pm
  - kowtow
    
    Nip.
    
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    October 17, 2024 2:35pm
- Eastlander
  
  Whanau is delusional. She has gone from saying rates were too low and people should just get over having their rates bills go up to insisting she’ll neither cut ‘critical projects’ (to her the golden mile revamp is critical but pipe replacements are not) nor increase rates. Perhaps she and the senior council staff think they can force the government to bail them out with the funding they want while leaving them in control of the city.
  
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  October 17, 2024 12:08pm
  - AitchW
    
    Eastlander, Whanau is a lot like Ardern was, totally out of her depth. Hasn’t got a clue what she’s doing, only does soft media interviews and hides when the going gets tough.
    Worst mayor ever.
    
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    October 17, 2024 3:21pm
    - Eastlander
      
      Quite possibly the worst mayor of any New Zealand city ever, yes. But the very worst American mayors have her beat.
      
      Now whatever did happen to her car? My own theory is that she didn’t sell it, she parked it in the suburbs while paralytic and couldn’t remember where she left it and it’s still out there somewhere.
      
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      October 17, 2024 3:32pm
- greybeard
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350454153/live-concerns-remain-wellington-council-after-mayor-meeting-simeon-brown-says
  Whanau is going blonde: isn’t that “Cultural Misappropriation” ?
  
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  October 17, 2024 1:24pm
Gravelroad

Have just watched most of the interview on Fox TV with Kamala Harris.
If I were the interviewer, Brett Bayer?, I would be disappointed with my effort.
He allowed Ms Harris to talk over the top of him – frequently.
He seemed diffident and in fear of causing offence.
Any question that she didn’t want to answer, she started talking about Trump – and he couldn’t stop her. This was particularly evident when he asked when did Ms Harris become aware of Mr Biden’s decline. Immediately attacked Trump. Didn’t answer the question.
Likewise when she was asked about what went on during her record as Vice President. More about the demon Trump………
Soft interview.
Ms Harris and her minders should be delighted.
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October 17, 2024 12:12pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I watched it also. I think Brett Baier did pretty good.
  She may get a few more tranny votes.
  
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  October 17, 2024 1:53pm
  - kevn
    
    Chuck… For those folk who want to watch the ‘highlights’.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/disaster-kamalaexe-crashes-fox-interview-meltdown
    
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    October 17, 2024 6:29pm
- Graeme Hall
  
  Also watched. Brett Baier is noted for a more nuanced style of interviewing. He is firm but polite & lets his guests hang themselves with their own tongues.
  
  What I noted from his interview was Kamala was unable to answer any of his questions clearly or directly but instead pulled faces, waved her hands, and talked around his questions to eat up time. It was almost comical in its mock seriousness except that she could end up becoming the most powerful person on the planet.
  
  I challenge anyone to translate her rambling responses into coherent English. Brett Baier tried heroically to keep her on track but was aware that any man talking over a woman in an interview always gets called a bully.
  
  And to cap it off she also turned up late for the interview so the interview had to be cut short.
  
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  October 17, 2024 3:15pm
  - fernglas
    
    “What I noted from his interview was Kamala was unable to answer any of his questions clearly or directly but instead pulled faces, waved her hands, and talked around his questions to eat up time. It was almost comical in its mock seriousness except that she could end up becoming the most powerful person on the planet.
    
    I challenge anyone to translate her rambling responses into coherent English”
    
    Change “Kamala” to “Donald” and “she” to “he” and you have an exact description of the alternative. Woe, woe and thrice woe for the US.
    
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    October 17, 2024 6:18pm
    - Graeme Hall
      
      I’ll take a risk. Quote from one of Trump’s recent rallies & I’ll translate it for you. I find his sense of humor & straight talking quite easy to understand.
      But then maybe I’m what can be, unburdened by what has been?
      
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      October 17, 2024 9:55pm
  - kevn
    
    Graeme… I’m sure she had the bluetooth enabled ear rings on again, being fed how to respond. The pregnant pauses in her responses is telling.
    
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    October 18, 2024 7:27am
- Conservatarian
  
  She is catastrophically bad. So many words to say so little. Lost her temper. Finally plays an away game (against the least adversarial interviewer Fox could offer) and is shown up badly.
  
  Q: “What’s with all the illegal immigrants?”
  A: But Trump. Lock people up…
  
  Her campaign is in a tailspin.
  
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  October 17, 2024 4:05pm
- Conservatarian
  
  Please please please let her do three hours on Joe Rogan as her campaign has reportedly been seeking. It would be unbearable, but it would finish her.
  
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  October 17, 2024 4:19pm
mandk

Labour on the wrong side of the debate, as usual: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/mean-spirited-labour-attacks-govt-decision-on-hardship-assistance-for-sanctioned-beneficiaries/OIAGEUAYRZHJBBEADKJ46BJF34/

It seems a pretty low bar for beneficiaries to demonstrate that they are meeting their Jobseeker obligations.

And I’m sure that most people know someone who is a bludger. In my case, it’s my wife’s brother-in-law who is now 50 and hasn’t done a day’s work in his life. The sad thing is that he is probably now unable to work because he has been aided and abetted by the benefits system for so long.

Shane Jones also talked about getting his nephs of the couch.
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October 17, 2024 12:24pm
David Garrett

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350452250/cellphone-using-truck-driver-jailed-killing-man

Two years and four months for killing a man while txting and otherwise “interacting” with her cellphone – while driving a 30 tonne truck at more than 80kph.

Given her lack of previous, and that the fact that she will probably be a model prisoner, she could be out in 18 months. If I was the victim’s family, I would be absolutely furious. The sentence should have been at least twice what it was.
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October 17, 2024 1:17pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Two years and four months? You would think she tortured and murdered an infant!
  
  (Sorry, I was thinking zero years and zero months. Silly me.)
  
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  October 17, 2024 1:37pm
- Ghost
  
  In NZ it’s a sentence in prison and not the usual home detention, so that is a positive.
  
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  October 17, 2024 1:40pm
- mandk
  
  Sentences in NZ for grievous traffic offenses have always struck me as being extraordinarily lenient.
  
  I constantly read of people who are lightly sentenced for their umpteenth drink driving offence, even when driving while disqualified. Worse still, they have sometimes also killed other while driving drunk and disqualified.
  
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  October 17, 2024 1:58pm
- kowtow
  
  The use of cell phones while driving is huge.
  
  I think Plod and the govt are seriously negligent in cracking down on it.
  
  I wonder ,in this case she’s an employee of some description, where’s the employer responsibility ( in this era of health and safety ) in keeping the public safe from such dangerous employees.
  
  Could that be another angle of attack to prevent such dangerous behaviour.
  
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  October 17, 2024 2:43pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Horrific story and her behaviour was grossly negligent.
  
  Could the management have identified her poor driving earlier and disciplined or fired her especially considering she was a new young “fast-tracked driver”.
  
  Could management in future check drivers performance on the cameras , especially given she was fast tracked and new.
  
  Note the fast track article has been taken down but is on the way back machine.
  
  Jan 2019, “A scholarship funded by Fuso NZ and TR Group has propelled Hawke’s Bays’ Sarah Schmidt in her transport career aspirations”
  
  “The funded course provides a fast-track to gaining a Class 2 licence and helps women get their foot in the door of the industry. ”
  
  Second, it was a volvo truck. I’m curious what year it was and what technology it had and should it have prevented the crash? Volvo has had A Driver Alert warning system since 2008 to warn the driver if they are sleep or distracted. And it has had auto braking in trucks since 2012 where the vehicle sounds an alarm and if you don’t brake it does.
  
  She was clearly a very poor and regularly distracted driver. It would be good if the technology helped companies to pick up on this and prevent it in future.
  
  https://web.archive.org/web/20200201172030/https://www.fuso.co.nz/news/fast-tracking-success
  
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  October 17, 2024 3:50pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    A DEI driver ?
    
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    October 17, 2024 6:00pm
- sirknz
  
  Professional drivers that are caught breaking the road code in any capacity should be punished more harshly and held to a higher standard than the average member of the public.
  
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  October 17, 2024 4:41pm
  - Ghost
    
    No. The punishment should be the same for all. There should not be a different degree of justice depending on one’s job
    
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    October 17, 2024 11:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrats (the nasty Party) are getting downright nasty.
Republicans like boat rallies right? These jerks are not Republicans. They are just dirty players.
Slide 3 shows a proper Trump flotilla boat. Carlos Gavidia was the guy who started the boat rallies. He was not allowed an American or Trump flag flying from his private jetty – so he took his boat to the signage people and had it wrapped!
One boat tilted their 3 outboards up and let rip, flooding the Nazis. Marine authorities came by and detained the infiltrators. These would not be Kamala supporters, just Trump haters.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/karma-as-fake-trump-supporters-with-neo-nazi-flags-get-hit-by-wave/ss-AA1sn14W?
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October 17, 2024 1:59pm
surfing

Just drove my son home from school, he’s telling me about the Maori rubbish they are having to learn.

He’s NCEA 1, history this year has been 100% maori history – and favouring the general maori view that white people are bad and stole all the land from the maori.

Science… has been heavily influenced by the maori science– to get an excellence on the health of waterways, it is mandatory to provide the maori science version, and the english science version.

If you don’t say the river has a life force and is a living being with a spirit etc, it is impossible to get an excellence (A in old terms). You can pass with a B by just giving the actual science version around waterways, but, it’s impossible to score higher than that unless you include maori mythology.
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October 17, 2024 3:18pm
- AitchW
  
  It’s quite mindblowing that such stone age mumbo jumbo is in the science curriculum and apparently supported by science teachers.
  How does one measure the life force of a river? How does one demonstrate that it is a living being with a spirit?
  
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  October 17, 2024 3:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “How does one measure the life force of a river?”
    You talk to the river e-hoa. Then wait for a reply, e-hoa.
    
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    October 17, 2024 5:47pm
- kowtow
  
  Two tier education system.
  
  I thought we voted to get rid of this apartheid.
  
  And the leaders of the 3 parties inthe coalition promised to sort it.
  
  Will they.
  
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  October 17, 2024 3:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep..
  
  Your son will be taking this Science Achievement standard, I suspect.
  
  https://ncea.education.govt.nz/science/science/1/1/activity-b/teacher-resources
  
  Whereby to gain an excellence rating he will need to analyse & discuss the issue from a science-informed perspective and another perspective.
  
  At least your son will realise that the “other” perspective is NOT science informed.
  
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  October 17, 2024 3:45pm
  - Swifty
    
    You must be aghast at this with your background.
    
    For me, I’m just stunned.
    
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    October 17, 2024 5:00pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You must be aghast at this with your background.
      
      But I’m not surprised…
      
      The kulcha vulchas have had their talons into empirical science for decades.
      
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      October 17, 2024 6:45pm
  - surfing
    
    Yes, he realises the maori view is nonsense but from what I can read from his tone is that he has contempt for the teacher for forcing him to write lies in return for a better grade.
    
    It’s extortion, blackmail, whatever you want to call it.
    
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    October 18, 2024 1:13pm
- lifesgood
  
  Is this a general thing at every school or is his school just fill to the brim with idiot lefty teachers? If it is general it’s horrifying. If it’s his school move him to a better one.
  
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  October 17, 2024 3:51pm
- Swifty
  
  I think there’s a parallel with Islamic schools, certainly in the UK context.
  
  They (are forced to) teach the science curriculum but also choose to teach the Islamic view of the same matters (evolution, that we are primates, that Mo spilt the moon in two, that salt water and fresh water don’t mix, Allah created everything etc).
  
  When polled, 100% of students report their belief in and acceptance of the Islamic view – ‘because that’s what Islam teaches us’ and reinforces by social pressure in their families and community.
  
  We are now dumbing down our people. We are now officially going backwards. For the first time in our history succeeding generations will be less informed and more ignorant than previous.
  
  Looking at all the evidence I think my education in the 70s and 80s was a high point. It’s been all downhill from there and is about to get far, far worse.
  
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  October 17, 2024 4:58pm
  - fernglas
    
    Of 634 Nobel science Laureates, 4 have been Moslem. Moslems are 24% of the world’s population. So clearly faith based science doesn’t do well on the world stage.
    
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    October 17, 2024 6:27pm
    - Swifty
      
      I think I read that, per capita, Jewish Nobel prize winners out number Muslim winners by 10,000 to 1.
      
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      October 17, 2024 6:39pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Not yet. Just wait until the DEI sink their hooks into the Nobel committee.
      
      Like they did with the RNZS.
      
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      October 17, 2024 7:28pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  The Moa’s actually had a real “life force” but were eaten into extinction. All moa had become extinct, along with Haast’s eagle, which had relied on them for food.
  
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  October 17, 2024 6:38pm
Ghost

Breaking: Matthew Metro has come forward and officially Accused Tim Walz of s*xually assaulting him while Walz was his teacher at Mankato West High School in 1997.

As many of you know, I have written several open record requests to Mankato West school and one other. Reportedly, a lawsuit is soon to be filed. I will keep you all updated.

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October 17, 2024 3:27pm
- mandk
  
  Nothing to see here.
  
  It’s ok to be a deviant if you are a Dem. Think about all that creepy hairy sniffing Biden indulged in.
  
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  October 17, 2024 3:49pm
  - kowtow
    
    yep , nothing to see here , but meanwhile NZME radio news breathlessly spews that Evil Orange Man Bad “doubles down ” on migrants chowing down on pets etc .
    
    In other world “news” they’re going on and on about some fellow going in one direction off a balcony …..
    
    meanwhile no coverage of casualties among the heroes of the IDF or Ukrainain armed forces…..
    
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    October 17, 2024 5:18pm
- NothingLeft
  
  I dunno, no corroboration of any kind, never told anyone until now, obviously going to profit via selling story etc. No downside for this guy (the whole problem with celebrity sex assault allegations).
  
  I think we should throw this sort of thing out as a matter of policy. Unless there is corroboration nearer the time of the incident (evidence of complaints to friends etc), and with a strong dose of skepticism if there is a profit motive.
  
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  October 17, 2024 4:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

~~Tora, Tora, Tora~~

Tory, Tory, Tory

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/531086/huge-water-leak-in-central-wellington
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October 17, 2024 3:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What are those lumps of stuff on the road in the second photo?
  Nah. Brown water, then that?
  
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  October 17, 2024 5:53pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  ‘ A man working nearby said he thought the council was putting in “a kayak lane”’
  
  Heh!
  
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  October 17, 2024 7:30pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone hear Jew-hating David Parker ask questions about Israel in Parliament?

It is appalling that the government will not call the Jew-haters out and point out the retweet of Damian O’Conner.

They claim the pagers were a war crime.
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October 17, 2024 4:26pm
Ghost

What to say, can only be

Ray Charles – Hit the Road Jack

Darleen Tana’s days as an MP may soon come to an end, as her former party – the Greens – meet to discuss whether to force her from Parliament.

Delegates from the Green Party will meet on Thursday night, to discuss whether to evoke a controversial legal power to expel Tana from Parliament.

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October 17, 2024 5:14pm
freemark

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350454591/water-reform-will-require-consumers-have-deep-pockets
This is such crap. Councils should spend $3k (or $5k) on a water tank for all households, solve a lot of stormwater issues as well. We are ruled in the main by incompetent jobsworthy fuckwits.
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October 17, 2024 5:57pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Installing thousands of stormwater retention tanks is more expensive in valuable urban land etc and overall cost than creating a few large retention tanks or storage dams within the storm water system. Councils do it because it doesn’t cost them as much, but it costs the community and house builders etc far more (and drives up cost of houses).
  
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  October 17, 2024 6:54pm
Sparrow

The problem for this government is that they are in power not because of anything they did. The truism of politics ” Oppositions don’t win elections the Government looses them”.
This happened in NZ and the UK a large number of electors were just fed up with the government and wanted anybody but Labour. This applied to many traditional Labour voters.
The problem for the new government is that it is not resonating with many especially Luxon
with those non dyed Nats. So it’s entirely possible that 2026 could bring another change especially as it appears those joining the dole queues are the productive ones while the fat cats remain untouched. Just thoughts.
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- peterwn
  
  Fat cats can go overseas and take their wealth with them.
  
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