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NeverMindTheBollocks

The size of NZ’s obligation to give away taxpayer money in pursuit of greenie points is finally starting to hit the headlines.

Benedict will be pleased.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/530643/no-way-to-meet-new-zealand-s-climate-target-without-overseas-help-report
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October 14, 2024 8:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  At last. A media report that explains that the Paris Accord will require New Zealand to pay developing countries to reduce emissions on our behalf.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/530643/no-way-to-meet-new-zealand-s-climate-target-without-overseas-help-report
  
  This caught my attention.
  
  “For example, Switzerland is paying for e-buses in Bangkok. The carbon savings will help meet Switzerland’s target under the Paris Agreement.”
  
  MOTU is arguably the preeminent economics consultancy in New Zealand. While their economists are world class, they can be “ivory tower” folk. You would need to be to conclude that New Zealand is currently comparable to Switzerland. 😣
  
  Also this. 😅
  
  “It’s in our national interest as well as the global interest to do this..” [pay billions to developing countries]”
  
  I would argue that it is not in the national interest. It will impoverish the country while having zero effect on emissions. Well, effectively zero.
  
  I have not looked at the MOTU numbers but you can believe them. MOTU would not get those wrong. They conclude that if the government postpones purchases, the price will triple or quadruple by 2027.
  
  Does anyone believe that Nicola Willis is going to explain that we can’t afford hospitals or ferries or everything else, but we are giving between $3 billion and maybe up to $12 billion to pay for more energy efficient infrastructure in Indonesia? That is literally what it will come down to.
  
  On the bright side, at least I know that I am not alone in worrying. 🙂
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:30am
  - Matt Long
    
    This kind of reminds me of the old story of a missionary who told an African Chief that as a new Christian he could no longer have more than one wife.
    The Chief then brained his excess wives with a club.
    Virtuous Westerners are going to pay developing countries trillions to save the planet, but the leaders of those countries are going to scam it like crazy or persecute their political enemies to meet goals.
    
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    October 14, 2024 9:40am
  - cmm
    
    Maybe we can pay some Africans to slaughter all their wildebeest so we can have dairy cattle? That would make sense under this accord.
    
    We are giving money to Indonesia. Lots of it. It seems insane to me giving money to a country that has a bigger military than ours.
    
    Let’s face it: the reason people signed up to this shit was to virtue signal to their mates. Huge peer pressure. All the politicians that signed up knew they would be long gone before the bill became due. Pricks.
    
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    October 14, 2024 9:51am
  - Terry Dalee
    
    Hang on.. so they want you in NZ to pay Indonesians to reduce NZ’s carbon footprint by paying for energy efficient infrastructure…. but you guys in NZ turn around and buy Indonesian brown coal to burn in NZ to keep the lights on?
    
    What an excellent rort.
    
    Maybe you could keep de-evolving NZ to Third world status, and do the same as Indonesia….
    
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    October 14, 2024 10:49am
    - cmm
      
      In 50 years Indonesia will be sending foreign aid to “developing” NZ.
      
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      October 14, 2024 12:51pm
- Damocles11
  
  Is China paying anyone for burning billions of tonnes of coal every year, and increasing its emissions every year until 2030 – while being the planets biggest emitter? Asking for an aggrieved Kiwi friend.
  Have we reached peak insanity on this planet yet? Apparently we are in an existential crisis threatening life on a planet which is purportedly “boiling”, yet the biggest polluter has a green light to keep increasing its emissions. 🤦🏻‍♂️
  If you attempted to explain the above to aliens they would conclude: “no signs of intelligent life to be found”.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:50am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No. Bear with me here.
    
    China is meeting its obligations under the Paris Accord. Because at the Paris meeting, all commitments were voluntary. China told the meeting that it would massively increase emissions. All other countries said “OK”.
    
    Nobody forced the New Zealand obligations on us. We volunteered them.
    
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    October 14, 2024 10:04am
    - Damocles11
      
      ‘All commitments were voluntary. China told the meeting that it would massively increase emissions. All other countries said “OK”’.
      
      And having considered the above I state again:
      Have we reached peak insanity on this planet yet? Apparently we are in an existential crisis threatening life on a planet which is purportedly “boiling”, yet the biggest polluter has a green light to keep increasing its emissions. 🤦🏻‍♂️
      
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      October 14, 2024 10:48am
    - Don Beckett
      
      So we should voluntarily withdraw them.
      
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      October 14, 2024 10:49am
      - Damocles11
        
        It’s all voluntary so we should pull out. Most stupid thing I’ve ever heard: ‘China said it would be massively increasing its emissions and the other nations said “OK”’. Total circus.
        
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        October 14, 2024 11:22am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Correct Don, but the biggest fear of any NZ politician is ridicule from foreign politicians.
        They are scared to death of pissing off anyone with a foreign accent.
        
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        October 14, 2024 11:38am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        No it is only voluntary until you tell them the size of your emission reductions. Then it is mandatory.
        
        It is possible that the thing will fall over. Japan will comply. So will the EU. A change of government in Canada and Australia will have them pull out.
        
        I honestly have no idea what New Zealand will do. I think that Chris Luxon is hoping it will collapse. On the other hand would I be surprised if Chris Luxon decides there is no choice but to hand over 10 billion? No I would not be surprised.
        
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        October 14, 2024 12:00pm
      - Taieri
        
        I honestly have no idea what New Zealand will do.
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        Procrastinate.
        
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        October 14, 2024 12:50pm
      - cmm
        
        These are not the laws of physics we are talking about here.
        
        This is just an agreement by a bunch of people. Of course that can all change. And it will.
        
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        October 14, 2024 12:53pm
      - Damocles11
        
        ‘It’s voluntary until you tell them the size of your *reductions*, then it’s mandatory’
        
        also –
        
        ‘China told the meeting that it would massively *increase* emissions. All other countries said “OK.”’
        
        🤦🏻‍♂️
        
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        October 14, 2024 12:59pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      That should have been “bear with me” not “bare”. Always get confused on that.
      
      [Mod – fixed]
      
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      October 14, 2024 11:55am
      - bythesea
        
        alternatively, you could argue it is time for everyone to get into the emperor’s new clothes …
        
        I mean the story here (NZ paying through the nose voluntarily) sounds like something out of a fable, right.
        
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        October 14, 2024 2:16pm
    - jacthecat
      
      Not ‘we’ …. the virtuous dame.
      
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      October 14, 2024 12:32pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Un-volunteer them. Simples. The UN isn’t our master.
      
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      October 14, 2024 7:52pm
  - GJM
    
    Surely it is the consumers who should pay, if the global boiling thing is real, not producers?
    If consumers had to pay, they will then seek out the most efficient suppliers who will have the lowest cost. e.g. NZ dairy exports 98% of production, and under an honest accounting system is carbon neutral or positive. Why are we being penalised despite being the lowest emmitter?
    
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    October 14, 2024 12:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I smell mass corruption in the future.
  Where is all of this money really going in Indonesia? Fleets of black Maseratis for big knobs to parade around in? Happened in Papua New Guinea.
  
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  October 14, 2024 10:25am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The paying countries send in folk to ensure that the projects they are paying for actually exist.
    
    Is there still corruption? Probably. Is it high scale? Probably not but I don’t know.
    
    New Zealand has ALREADY paid Indonesia and neighbouring countries $1.3 billion in climate finance. I’d love to see an audit.
    
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    October 14, 2024 10:32am
    - imalwaysright
      
      If the paying countries send in folk to ensure that the projects they are paying for actually exist then there should be published reports.
      Failing there being an audit, surely this would be a starting point.
      Is there a report detailing how our $1,300,000,000 was spent?
      
      I bet there isn’t a single page.
      
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      October 14, 2024 11:44am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Good question. You could submit an OIA request to MFAT. 😃
        
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        October 14, 2024 12:01pm
    - Spam
      
      Many of the “green jobs” touted as being a magnificent benefit of the “green transition” are things like auditing jobs on carbon schemes. Not actually productive jobs.
      
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      October 14, 2024 12:40pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Indonesia is massively under-declaring its emissions – proof in link below – and we are sending them money by the truckload. Indonesia must be laughing at our stupidity, “how dumb are these Kiwi’s?!” 🤣
      
      https://www.voanews.com/amp/indonesia-s-big-coal-firms-overlooking-methane-emissions-report/7716668.html
      
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      October 14, 2024 1:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Holidays and 10% for the ‘big guys?’
      
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      October 14, 2024 2:45pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      BY: “New Zealand has ALREADY paid Indonesia and neighbouring countries $1.3 billion in climate finance.”
      
      Wow. Talk about bloody stupid. The science isn’t at all “settled” and impoverished idiocracy NZ does this???
      
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      October 14, 2024 7:55pm
- wsk12345
  
  This bit got me. These people are so smart and then they come out with this BS:
  
  “But Leining said the cost of making the purchases would still be less than the cost of one or two more climate-fuelled cyclones, like Gabrielle in 2023.”
  
  Spoken as if meeting our “obligations” will mitigate the risk of cyclones here in NZ. We really have reached Peak Stupid.
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:01pm
  - Taieri
    
    We really have reached Peak Stupid
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    No, we haven’t. There’s still a long way to go…
    
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    October 14, 2024 12:52pm
Scott

I spent the weekend in New Plymouth, my old home town. Sadly Gaza and Hamas supporters are holding rallies there, in beautiful Pukekura Park no less. They displayed pictures of children killed in the Israeli attacks, no doubt hoping to pull at people’s heart strings and gain more support for their cause.

However new facts revealed in captured Hamas documents show that Hamas spent two years keeping quiet and lulling Israel into a false sense of security. They tried to get Iran and Hizbollah involved to make the October 7th attack much bigger and even bring down a sky scraper in Tel Aviv.

The documents revealed –
“they pressed Iran to assist in helping achieve their vision of annihilating the Jewish state, according to documents seized by Israeli forces in Gaza. In letters written in 2021, Hamas’s Gaza leader Yahya Sinwar appealed to several senior Iranian officials including supreme leader Ali Khamenei for additional financial and military support, pledging that, with Iran’s backing, he could destroy Israel completely in two years.”
https://www.dailyalert.org/Mobile/mobile.html

This is what those people in Pukekura Park were protesting for. An army of genocidal maniacs whose only goal is to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. Sad 😒
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October 14, 2024 8:01am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Levinites should be careful what they wish for. Any Council worth its salt will apply for NZTA funding to replace its unmowen berms with cycle lanes.

I think residents would not be happy with the resulting loss of adjacent on-street parking.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350449825/no-way-im-going-mow-biggest-berm-town-levin-man-says
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October 14, 2024 8:01am
- wsk12345
  
  But being utterly useless, the reporter didn’t ask the obvious question of whether there should be exceptions for insane berms like that guy has, as he says, essentially a small section. No reason not to require 99% of residents to do their own mowing and just have the council do the huge ones, they are of zero benefit to the landowner.
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:07pm
Yvette

National conflicted?
How will obligations be fulfilled in New Zealand First’s Coalition Agreement relating to “the principle that New Zealanders are equal before the law …” if National do not pass beyond the First Reading those same rights contained in the upcoming November introduction of the proposed Treaty Principles Bill that (outlined on the ACT website – http://www.treaty.nz ) says “All New Zealanders are equal under the law with the same rights and duties”?

Will that contradictory situation become as dopey and unresolved as the translation arguments of the original Treaty itself?
____________________
Coalition Agreement – New Zealand National Party and New Zealand First
Equal citizenship
■ The Coalition Government will defend the principle that New Zealanders are equal before the law, with the same rights and obligations, and with the guarantee of the privileges and responsibilities of equal citizenship in New Zealand.

• The Coalition Government will work to improve outcomes for all New Zealanders, and will not advance policies that seek to ascribe different rights and responsibilities to New Zealanders on the basis of their race or ancestry.

• The Coalition Government will honour the undertakings made by the Crown through past Treaty of Waitangi settlements.

• The Coalition Government will reverse measures taken in recent years which have eroded the principle of equal citizenship, specifically we will:

* Remove co-governance from the delivery of public services. * As a matter of urgency, issue a Cabinet Office circular to all central government organisations that it is the Government’s expectation that public services should be prioritised on the basis of need, not race. * Restore the right to local referendum on the establishment or ongoing use of Maori wards, including requiring a referendum on any wards established without referendum at the next Local Body elections. * Stop all work on He Puapua * Confirm that the Coalition Government does not recognise the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) as having any binding legal effect on New Zealand

…
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/nzfirst/pages/4462/attachments/original/1700784896/National___NZF_Coalition_Agreement_signed_-_24_Nov_2023.pdf?1700784896
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October 14, 2024 8:06am
thetiedarch

SpaceX just pulled the engineering marvel of the year, if not decade by CATCHING a rocket.

9m diameter, 70m tall and they caught it.

https://youtube.com/shorts/gJPAtLaPhvw?si=IjwczTHQkjGPFQz1
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October 14, 2024 8:13am
- Matt Long
  
  Initially I thought Musk was playing a launch video backwards, that’s amazing engineering.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:42am
- Burtland
  
  the earth is apparently in an existential CO2 crisis and yet the USA are trying to put a person-of-color and woman on the moon whilst building a Mt Everest of debt
  
  the latest stock market darling creates AI that converts huge quantities of electricity into drawings of cats and yet Boeing is close to collapse and junk bond status
  
  somethings not quite right
  
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  October 14, 2024 10:50am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I think Boeing were hiring people according to DEI guidelines who themselves suffered from artificial intelligence .
    
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    October 14, 2024 11:49am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Well said that man. 😆
      
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      October 14, 2024 1:09pm
Cassandra

Did the Maori chiefs cede sovereignty in 1840? Some say yes, some say no. Did the Crown assume so? An emphatic yes. Does the Crown have sovereignty now? An emphatic yes. Did the chiefs assume so for most of the last 180 years? Most of them and their people did. Should we stop arguing about it? Another yes. The Crown is sovereign. Let’s do this.
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October 14, 2024 8:19am
- Damocles11
  
  Maori became British subjects. Case closed.
  
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  October 14, 2024 8:23am
- Yvette
  
  Cassandra, perhaps continuing your line of thinking –
  Because of claims that Maori did not cede sovereignty at Waitangi 1840, has te Pati Maori verified that and so ceded from the present Parliament, which they apparently must think is not legitimate?
  Let them do that. :o)
  
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  October 14, 2024 8:29am
  - pdm
    
    Yvette – that is not going to happen – ever.
    
    The dosh is too good.
    
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    October 14, 2024 9:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I would say only the activists believe Maori did not cede sovereignty.
  They love their Gravy Train and can not live without it. It is like welfare.
  
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  October 14, 2024 8:33am
  - Cassandra
    
    And the Waitangi Tribunal, Ned Fletcher and Helmet Modlik. But I’m actually echoing you.
    
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    October 14, 2024 9:18am
    - Mike
      
      I look forward to your detailed critique of Fletcher’s arguments.
      
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      October 14, 2024 10:23am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Maoris signed the treaty so they could sell land to the crown.
        
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        October 14, 2024 10:45am
      - Cassandra
        
        It’s available, Mike, just go looking. 1,000 pages doesn’t make it correct, despite Helmet clutching his copy like a Bible. Or Moses his tablets. Ned is an apple dropping close to a tree.
        
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        October 14, 2024 3:20pm
  - Philview
    
    Those activists include the leaders of Labour, the Greens and TPM.
    
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    October 14, 2024 11:29am
- cmm
  
  If they didn’t cede sovereignty then Maori would not have the vote in New Zealand.
  
  Instead, the Maori would have kept their traditional governance systems – ie. might is right and anyone who disagrees ends up getting a whack on the head.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:09am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    And a free BBQ.
    
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    October 14, 2024 9:13am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Maori gave away their sovereignty when they didn’t burn the boats and allowed the British to immigrate here.
  The same way we’re giving away our sovereignty to India right now.
  
  The treaty is only paperwork.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:32am
- Paulus
  
  I though the Maori Chiefs who ceded sovereignty, which they never had among themselves, were Dead ?
  
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  October 14, 2024 11:51am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, but like the Dems in the USA, they can still vote.
    
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    October 14, 2024 1:10pm
- Taieri
  
  Some say yes, some say no.
  ———–
  
  Everyone, who uses any service provided by the government implicitly acknowledges the sovereignty of the same government. That includes all activists as it is not possible to live without accessing at least some government services.
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:56pm
Matt Long

Green co leader advises Whangarei Hapu that illegal occupations are the best way to resolve RMA issues because the government paid the Danegeld at Ihumatao.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/whangarei-hapu-fighting-to-protect-culturally-sacred-site-get-backing-from-green-party/4HWSZNVQIVE45OZCNIS4AQRW2U/
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October 14, 2024 8:20am
- Damocles11
  
  When you advocate for illegal behaviour should you be considered a mainstream political party holding socially acceptable views that is a fit and proper entity to govern New Zealand as part of any future government? No, I don’t think so. Surely sane people would take the same view.
  
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  October 14, 2024 8:26am
- sherp
  
  Just install an irrigation system…
  
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  October 14, 2024 8:27am
  - artemisia
    
    An irrigation system can be an early development step. There is precedent for protest ‘rivers’ but this could be ‘of clean’ not ‘of filth’.
    
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    October 14, 2024 9:47am
- Swifty
  
  I note that once again Swarbrick exhibits her contempt and disregard for taxpayers, with her overtures about funding Iwi with their consents opposition and purchasing the land.
  
  We’re just her ATM for whatever she thinks is a good idea and advantages her politically.
  
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  October 14, 2024 8:30am
- Clyde
  
  These watermelon racist idiots need to be put back in the corner until they learn to behave.
  
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  October 14, 2024 8:30am
- pdm
  
  Matt I think the reporter gave away all credibility when he referred to Chloe Swarbrick as being hard working.
  
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  October 14, 2024 8:31am
  - Gravelroad
    
    From the article:
    “Swarbrick took time out of her busy schedule to visit Te Tai Tokerau this week, led by Northland-based MP Hūhana Lyndon.”
    This is personal comment by the reporter.
    Who cares if Ms Swarbrick has a busy schedule? Lots of us out here are busy.
    It implies that a special politician kindly granted an audience with some voters somewhere.
    That is not news.
    Inserting opinion into a “news” reports is slowly but surely chipping away at media credibility.
    
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    October 14, 2024 9:04am
    - David Garrett
      
      …slowly but surely chipping away at media credibility.
      
      That comment assumes they still have some credibility. Not for me they don’t; not for some time. I go to Stuff every morning for the quiz, not for news.
      
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      October 14, 2024 9:14am
      - pdm
        
        It is usually a good quiz apart from the increasing incomprehensible wording.
        
        I struggled with 7 this morning DG.
        
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        October 14, 2024 9:30am
      - David Garrett
        
        pdm: Which one was no. 7?? One of the “improvements” of late is they no longer number the questions….I was pretty average this morning (although in their world I apparently “crushed it”) – 12/15
        
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        October 14, 2024 9:37am
      - pdm
        
        I only got 7/15.
        
        Usual is 9 to 12 with the only occasional lucky break to 13/14 and only once have I got all 15.
        
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        October 14, 2024 10:15am
    - imalwaysright
      
      “Swarbrick took time out of her busy schedule…”
      
      How condescending is that !
      
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      October 14, 2024 10:51am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      And their attack on part of tonight’s one news Vsrisn poll that 40% think the country is worst state than at election time suggests the poll will be strong for the government. The very mention of the Curia poll last week while ignoring the Morgan poll suggests they are trying to get a point across between find out the polls do not line up with Curia from last week.
      
      40% the (opposition) and 60% either say better off or unchanged I would have thought was a good result, most people knew last years selection the country was going to be hit this year, but inflation sorted, interest rates moving down which will not have impacted voters yet will see an upward swing in positivity before very long
      
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      October 14, 2024 11:09am
    - The Feed
      
      What credibility? Media have been a joke for years.
      
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      October 14, 2024 3:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “the land and its trees being used after battle to tend to the wounded and process the dead.”
  More hocus pocus lore.
  
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  October 14, 2024 8:45am
  - Burtland
    
    front seat at the trough
    
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    October 14, 2024 11:13am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Trees being used to process the dead.
    
    You mean, like barbecuing?
    
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    October 14, 2024 12:59pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yeah, or a pyre.
      
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      October 14, 2024 2:50pm
- cmm
  
  50 cents and a servo pie says that Luxon would give any future Ihumatao-like action exactly the same treatment as Cindy.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:10am
  - pdm
    
    How many houses built at Ihumatao so far cmm?
    
    I assume still zilch.
    
    Fletchers would have finished the 750 (I think that number is right) by now and they would probably be occupied.
    
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    October 14, 2024 9:33am
    - cmm
      
      Who cares about how many actually got built?
      
      What matters are the feelings.
      
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      October 14, 2024 9:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Pretty sure at the time he said it was not right to pay this out, why the hell would he do that when he has stated no special treatment for certain races
    
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    October 14, 2024 11:10am
    - GJM
      
      Sure about the no special treatment? Seen the latest sentnecing guidelines, where the Special People get Special Treatment?
      
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      October 14, 2024 12:54pm
- Yvette
  
  Danegeld
  In 980, small companies of Danish adventurers carried out a series of coastline raids against England. The raids continued and in 991, Æthelred paid the Danes in silver to stop raiding and to go away. The Danes thought this an excellent idea – and returned year after year to demand more. In Kipling’s words: “if once you have paid him the Dane-geld, you never get rid of the Dane”. The practice only ceased in 1016, when the Scandinavian ruler Canute the Great invaded England, won its crown, and established control over the country.
  So metaphorically Canute ‘turned the tide’, although when it came to physically doing that he was famously not so successful – however the enlightenment of his critics was the lesson of the exercise.
  The Greens should know better.
  
  “We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
  No matter how trifling the cost;
  For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
  And the nation that plays it is lost!”
  
  – poem by British writer Rudyard Kipling, not Jacinda Ardern
  
  ______________
  
  “But she [Green co-leader Chlöe Swarbrick] also advised Ngāti Kahu the resource consent process is not the only way to protest against development on wāhi tapu.
  She pointed to Auckland site Ihumātao, where protesters occupied the land to prevent a Fletcher Building housing development near the sacred Ōtuataua Stonefields Reserve.”
  
  Ihumātao
  Police cannot facilitate unlawful activity by allowing protestors who have been served an eviction notice to trespass on private land.
  https://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/statement-regarding-ihumātao-protest
  
  Should Green co-leader Chlöe Swarbrick, a Member of Parliament, be advocating illegal activity?
  
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  Te rōpu whakahaere was set up by the Kīngitanga to decide an outcome on the future of the land and come up with a development plan. It has five years to do this.
  When asked [10 June 2024] about what has been discussed so far, a spokesperson said there was “nothing to update” and the preference was not to talk to the media until there was something of “substance” to talk about.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:41am
Damocles11

I tuned in to Breakfast on TV1 this morning to check in on NZ’s ongoing descent into DEI / woke madness, and was confronted by a campaign underway – fronted by ‘famous faces’ – to make New Zealand ‘the best place in the world to have Herpes’.
Melissa Stokes presented some ‘news’, including a new study that shows that 60% of New Zealanders are actively avoiding ‘the news’. Reasons given by survey respondents for the avoidance included ‘mental health’ and ‘lack of trust’. But context was provided by Stokes when she said that researchers have found those doing the avoiding “tended to be older and right wing”. I pondered the 60% figure and the ‘information’ about the older and right wing stuff, but I couldn’t make the maths work.
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October 14, 2024 8:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Herpes. Presented as if you are a nobody if you have not had it in NZ.
  Almost a competition to get it.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:37am
  - Damocles11
    
    “I don’t want to hit a sore spot, but can we talk about herpes? Herpes herpes bo-berpes banana fanna fo-ferpes herpes, OW!”
    – Krusty the Clown
    
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    October 14, 2024 9:53am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Saw Ashley dancing in a celebratory manner, I’m not sure if he tested positive or negative!
    What an ambiguous campaign.
    
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    October 14, 2024 10:56am
- Burtland
  
  60% avoid the news in NZ
  
  “We found 60 percent of survey participants reported they sometimes, often, or almost always avoid the news. This combined total is higher than any other national figure reported in other studies, with Greece and Bulgaria the next highest at 57 percent.”
  
  apparently its due to “a perceived lack of diverse voices in New Zealand’s news production” 😂
  
  more here
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530629/news-blues-study-reveals-why-most-kiwis-avoid-the-news-at-least-some-of-the-time
  
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  October 14, 2024 11:38am
  - Spam
    
    Well, it’s true. A lack of anything but left-wing views.
    
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    October 14, 2024 12:49pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Another compelling reason to nullify the taxpayer funding on woke state media.
    
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    October 14, 2024 7:59pm
- Yvette
  
  I got as far as –
  “To make sense of this, we surveyed 1204 people in New Zealand in February 2023.”
  – and decided information that is 594 days or 19 and a half months and one Election old is not “new” enough to be news, or considered
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:44pm
- Ehlana
  
  Actively avoiding the news? Or just not getting it from the NZ media?
  
  See, there’s now this thing called the internet and you can access overseas news sites directly (instead of reading selected articles reprinted in NZ) or you can just go to the source – the websites of the governments, political parties, companies, etc., that you are actually interested in. And read what they have to say for yourself. Whenever you like.
  
  Shhh! No-one tell the media.
  
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  October 14, 2024 3:41pm
- Ehlana
  
  The combined total of those avoiding the news sometimes, often and almost always is 60%. The ‘almost always’ group is 13%.
  
  It was estimated that 15% of far-left and 18.4% of far-right leaning people avoid the news “almost always”. The RNZ report actually says, “people with far-left or far-right political beliefs were more likely to avoid the news than those with centrist views.”
  
  Odd that the far-left weren’t included in the “context”.
  
  [https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530629/news-blues-study-reveals-why-most-kiwis-avoid-the-news-at-least-some-of-the-time]
  
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  October 14, 2024 4:15pm
Kiwiguy

Dear Auckland Transport,

I hate SUVs. I much prefer practical wagons with a lower centre of gravity. They suit my needs nicely.

However, in recent years, you have completely screwed up the Auckland roads, and the maintenance of them. There are potholes, sunken manhole covers, many poor irregularities, plus the countless speed bumps you’ve installed.

We understand that your agenda is to make life harder for drivers, but you’re actually having the opposite effect: I’ve just replaced my wagon with an SUV to cope with the Auckland roads. It was becoming too tiresome with an ‘ordinary’ car, whereas the SUV easily handles your crap roads.

You leftys really have no understanding of ‘unintended consequences’, do you.

Idiots.
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October 14, 2024 8:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The only reason I have one is to tow my boat. You can not tow a 1500kg rig with a 1.8L shitbox or an EV.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:40am
  - Burtland
    
    you wont be able to go boating soon – you will need a license and special bloodlines
    
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    October 14, 2024 11:42am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Petition:
      
      https://www.saveourshores.nz/
      
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      October 14, 2024 12:46pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    If you don’t know you could always look it up instead of relying on your prejudices and being wrong.
    
    Model Y Tow Package
    
    Equip your Model Y with a high-strength steel tow bar and 2” hitch receiver capable of towing up to 1,600kg.
    
    https://shop.tesla.com/en_nz/product/model-y-tow-package#:~:text=Equip%20your%20Model%20Y%20with,kilograms%20on%20all%20wheel%20configurations.
    
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    October 14, 2024 2:31pm
    - AitchW
      
      Does it suggest how far you might tow 1600Kg?
      
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      October 14, 2024 3:40pm
      - Hard Cheese
        
        Well here’s a 160 km example as a starting point
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5pWd69P0OQ
        
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        October 14, 2024 4:20pm
    - kevn
      
      Hard… I once saw a Tesla towing a well loaded trailer up the SH1 Bombay Hill.
      
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      October 14, 2024 8:34pm
Matt Long

Evil Zionist snipers now using stealth bullets that don’t pierce the skin.
https://x.com/AdinHaykin1/status/1845197175904477562
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October 14, 2024 8:28am
- BarryB
  
  In recent months Ive noticed that the quality of many comments on this blog have deteriorated to a worryingly low level.
  I recall many years ago I saw a newspaper for sale that had the following front page headline: “WW2 airplanes found on far side of moon”.
  Some comments appearing on this site are of the same level.
  
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  October 14, 2024 8:42am
  - cmm
    
    You are welcome to come and improve the quality of comments any time.
    
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    October 14, 2024 9:23am
    - David Garrett
      
      cmm…or indeed he can also Foxtrot Oscar if he doesn’t like the level of debate here. As for me, other than a few notable exceptions – like Mikey many names and The Killer – I like it just fine here.
      
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      October 14, 2024 9:40am
      - Bridgenag
        
        Miss Maggie tho’
        
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        October 14, 2024 10:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All the makings of a downticker, go for it!
    
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    October 14, 2024 9:43am
  - imalwaysright
    
    What happened to the airplanes?
    Any survivors?
    
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    October 14, 2024 9:55am
    - Ghost
      
      They weren’t planes. They were sky waka’s. Nz landed on the moon centuries before the Americans…..
      
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      October 14, 2024 9:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Not NZ, it was Aotearoa.
        
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        October 14, 2024 10:54am
      - imalwaysright
        
        “Nz landed on the moon centuries before the Americans…”
        
        That was Buck Shelford’s grandad, Buck Rogers.
        
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        October 14, 2024 11:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      How long before they ran out of oxygen?
      
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      October 14, 2024 11:13am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The people that go there don’t need oxygen – they are brain dead anyway.
        
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        October 14, 2024 2:55pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Correction. People who go to the dark side of the moon in airplanes, don’t need oxygen.*
        
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        October 14, 2024 4:38pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yep it certainly ain’t “stars on sunday” squeaky clean but it can be jolly amusing (not to mention informative).
    
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    October 14, 2024 8:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  X comments are worth reading!
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:00am
  - Mike
    
    Feel free to summarize them all.
    
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    October 14, 2024 10:37am
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: Challenge Accepted
New (SNL) proof that the election is over!

“The long-running news show has come under fire after allegedly cleaning up the Democratic presidential candidate’s answer to a question from “60 Minutes” correspondent Bill Whitaker about Israel that aired during a special episode on Monday.

Her reply was starkly different from the “word salad” the vice president served up in a clip to promote the interview shown by “Face the Nation” the day before.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-challenge-accepted?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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October 14, 2024 8:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “You know it’s cold outside when you go outside and it’s cold…”
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:46am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Frost in Dunedin and Mosgiel for the first time in sometime
    
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    October 14, 2024 11:14am
Inandout

This video about the Samoa ship sinking gives a bit of background to the NZ Navy DEI policies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eao1xOaWEwk&t=68s
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October 14, 2024 8:36am
- David Garrett
  
  Inand: That’s brilliant! Did you happen to notice some of the critical comments? This was the dumbest:
  
  ” A lot more men have run ships aground than women you pillock”
  
  As regulars here know, maths isn’t my strongpoint, but I am well aware that if 95%+ of ships captains are men, then it will be men who run aground by a substantial majority. Clearly a very stupid person.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:43am
  - cmm
    
    Further, there doesn’t really seem to have been a valid reason for running aground. No uncharted reef in the middle of nowhere, no fog, etc etc.
    
    Collins and the Chief of the Navy lost no time saying this had nothing to do with gender. Perhaps the inquiry should find that out?
    
    The currently under a cloud Captain of HMNZS Canterbury has made statements about bringing a “woman’s touch” to the ship. WTF does that mean? How can the Navy even allow their senior officers to say such things without sanction?
    
    They keep banging on about “driving warships”. NZ doesn’t have any warships. From what I can see, the heaviest armament on any NZ navy vessel is a 1-inch gun.
    
    The NZ Navy is very proud of its DEI and having 60% of ships commanded by women.
    
    https://www.nzdf.mil.nz/media-centre/news/women-lead-from-the-front-in-todays-royal-new-zealand-navy/
    
    Elsewhere we have Acting Deputy Chief of Navy, Captain Maxine Lawes saying she is “passionate about the progression of women in the NZDF”.
    
    Heck, NZDF even has “New Zealand Defence Force Women’s Development Steering Group.” Does anyone think they are really putting quality ahead of what is in people’s pants?
    
    https://na.eventscloud.com/ereg/popups/speakerdetails.php?eventid=354338&language=eng&speakerid=1070710
    
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    October 14, 2024 12:48pm
    - Taieri
      
      NZ doesn’t have any warships. From what I can see, the heaviest armament on any NZ navy vessel is a 1-inch gun.
      ———-
      
      HMNZS Te Kaha and HMNZS Te Mana are both equipped with 5 in/54 (127 mm) Mk 45 Mod 2 gun, torpedo tubes and all sort of other lethal rubbish.
      
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      October 14, 2024 1:02pm
      - cmm
        
        Thanks.
        
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        October 14, 2024 1:32pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Everyone knows that women can’t read maps. To have put a woman in charge of the Navy’s mapping vessel was just asking for trouble.
      
      Women can’t parallel park either.
      
      https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350284063/hull-damaged-nz-warship-berths-high-winds
      
      PS – thanks for the promotion, Judith! I was only ever a Lieutenant before. Where do I apply for my pension increase?
      
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      October 14, 2024 1:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  4 dropkicks – well 3 anyway.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:48am
igm

Newstalk ZB announcer has a new Lower Hutt suburb called Moyrar . . . te reo drongo.
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October 14, 2024 8:37am
Ipanema69

Have not hugely been following the Winston First conference over the weekend.

However as I understand it foreign investment is now OK?

The cynic in me thinks that this is purely to enable Winston to make an issue of foreign investment immediately prior to any future election.
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October 14, 2024 8:41am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He wants a 100 billion dollar infrastructure fund, media automatically says this will see Peter’s call the conditions time early.
  
  Utterly pathetic media, if he pulls out early, then he is done, and it turns out the fund is multi decade, do probably of normal value anyway
  
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  October 14, 2024 11:17am
- rouppe
  
  Someone should be courting overseas money to restore the Chateau Tongariro.
  
  The government isn’t going to do it, no-one else has the money, so it’s going to go to wrack and ruin and/or be demolished. All while rusty former storage tanks are given heritage status
  
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  October 14, 2024 3:57pm
Surely Knott

Tragic death for elderly man waiting in ER.

Conclusion of the article, the current government isn’t doing enough for healthcare even though the death happened in July 2021 on Ardern’s watch and her extraordinary health policies neither of which get a single mention in the article.

What is not mentioned in the article is:
* The ethnicity of the person who was left waiting. He is white. Was it a factor? Were ambulances or ED waits also prioritised by ethnicity like other health services?
* That it was right in the middle of the Ardern’s covid protocols and fear mongering. April 22, 2021. Was that a factor? Covid is not even mentioned?!
* Why aren’t people given more accurate ambulance and ED waiting times. So the man and his wife could have called a taxi instead of wait 4 hours for an ambulance transfer.
* St Johns reports in 2021 a 10% increase in callouts. Trauma callouts were down 12% but Mental health and suicide were up 30%. Under Ardern’s watch and linked to her lauded Covid response.

“St John also saw a notable increase in patients with chest pain and breathing problems – an increase of 15.5 percent and 14.4 percent respectively – which along with the rise in mental health related call-outs, St John attributes to the direct impact of COVID-19 or COVID-19 lockdowns.” Interestingly stabbing and gunshot wounds also increased 14% during this time period.

* Who should take responsibility? When a private boat captain choses to not turn back before a storm and lives are lost he faces court for his choices. But the hospitals and our previous Prime Minister just shrug walk away and ask what National is gonna do.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tony-knott-died-in-middlemore-hospitals-emergency-department-waiting-room-family-say-his-death-was-preventable/3IWO7YBRJVBLLETI27GRAFVJCY/
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October 14, 2024 8:59am
John Loveridge

Chris Lynch has written a good editorial on the Disinformation Project.

https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/opinion-bye-bye-disinformation-project/
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October 14, 2024 9:06am
cmm

Mohammed Abdiwali is a repeat sex offender. He is so much of a risk that Corrections applied for a
Extended Supervision Order (something I expect they only do in extreme cases).

Judge turns them down.

Oh, well, there’s always next time.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350447397/crown-law-decision-over-sex-offender-copout
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October 14, 2024 9:21am
- David Garrett
  
  cmm: I read that. There will almost certainly be a “next time” with sex offenders like this.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:45am
  - cmm
    
    I suspect there have been many priors too and many people have bent over backwards for fear of being labelled “racist”.
    
    People like this (eg. that Zimbabwean sack of shit in Christchurch) exploit white guilt to get away with their offending.
    
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    October 14, 2024 10:16am
  - igm
    
    Put him on the next flight out of New Zealan. Surely he is no use here, nothing but a drain on already overburdened taxpayers.
    
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    October 14, 2024 10:33am
    - Jack5
      
      Mohammed Abdiwali is likely one of the Muslim refugees the UN selects for New Zealand.
      
      Restrictions on deporting refugees:
      
      https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/chapter-29-refugees/deportation-of-refugees/
      
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      October 14, 2024 12:09pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The reason he committed his first sexual offence was so he would be deported back to Somalia.!!!!
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300060471/sex-offender-who-wants-to-be-deported-breaches-release-conditions-four-times-in-six-months
      
      Makes you wonder why we are keeping him here.
      
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      October 14, 2024 3:28pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Time for a Give a Little
        
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        October 14, 2024 7:31pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Crown law refusing to go after sex offenders once again and they can’t hide behind the victim this time either i don’t know why they have such a soft spot for paedos and rapists.
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:08pm
  - Keith White
    
    Gotta assume that some are in the same disgusting club.
    
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    October 14, 2024 12:43pm
- wsk12345
  
  yeah but it’s only white women. Its not like its someone important being raped, such as, say, a wahine or a man posing as a woman.
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:24pm
Paul Marsden

In Down To Earth Kiwi latest post, he lays out a well reasoned argument as to why Act should rename its ‘Treaty Principles Bill’ to “The Constitutional Principles Bill”.

Brilliant idea and I hope David Seymour takes note.
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October 14, 2024 9:24am
- David Garrett
  
  Paul M: It doesn’t matter what he calls it…Luxon will not support it.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:57am
Chuck Bird

This is what Luxon should view.

‘It’s a concern – not a catastrophe!’ Bjorn Lomborg on climate alarmism & empty energy policies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK5KN18wtbA
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October 14, 2024 9:25am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Lomborg is 99.99% on the money as far as I can see. Incredibly rational.
  
  The 0.01% I don’t get is why he says “climate change” is “a problem” or “a concern”. If he means yes we should keep an eye on it, then I could live with that. There is no hard evidence that human activity is driving the global climate in ANY significant way. Oh well. I’ll take the 99.99% good stuff.
  
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  October 14, 2024 9:58pm
bythesea

Nice view of the SpaceX launch of the Starship vehicle, and this time they landed the booster stage back at the launch site …
… by catching it in the air!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b28zbsnk-48

In the video the booster detaches after 2:40 in flight, and then the return approach starts from about the 5:00 mark

What an achievement
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October 14, 2024 9:32am
- Mike
  
  I think satellite payloads have been caught in the air for many years, but this looks like an impressive boost in scale.
  
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  October 14, 2024 10:40am
  - Terry Dalee
    
    That’s a bit different.
    Using a plane to catch a payload while under a parachute cannot be compared to propulsively controlling a rocket, throttling and thrust vectoring it to land in a precise position to redock onto a launch tower.
    
    The two feats are chalk and cheese…
    
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    October 14, 2024 2:10pm
- Inandout
  
  byth, and what a team Musk has at Space X, just the best he could find.
  https://finance.yahoo.com/news/spacex-org-chart-top-executives-100000651.html
  
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  October 14, 2024 11:38am
- bythesea
  
  Just checked on RNZ.
  No coverage or news of this on their world news or searching for SpaceX.
  
  Well done Red Radio – covering all the important stories, no time for the start of the second space age, lol
  
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  October 14, 2024 1:29pm
  - SoloView
    
    On RNZ at 1503 hrs today
    
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    October 14, 2024 4:27pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Musk is persona non grata with lefty media because he exposed uncomfortable truths about lefty social media skulduggery (IE The Twitter Files).
    
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    October 14, 2024 8:09pm
slightlyrighty

Driving in Wellington is a nightmare, and we are seeing a number of Road design choices that beggar belief.

In Island Bay, there are a number of Bus Stops built outside cycleways in such a manner that when the Bus stops to allow passengers to get on and off, the entire road is blocked and no traffic can move until the Bus does.

This raises an issue. Any emergency vehicle will be stopped, and this road is a main thoroughfare.

I bring this up because it is illegal to impede an emergency vehicle, and the road design will achieve exactly that. A Bus Stop should be on the side of the road, and not in the middle of one. Could this be the basis of a legal challenge to the Council over it’s design?
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October 14, 2024 9:47am
- peterwn
  
  Tranzurban can always tell its drivers not to stop at such bus stops if there is an ambo or fire appliance on its tail.
  
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  October 14, 2024 10:46am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    The question is then, how long is that tail going to be in rush hour? These bus stops stop all traffic.
    
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    October 14, 2024 12:09pm
    - peterwn
      
      A secondary Green/ Left Wing objective achieved! They would be mostly left wing voters down that way- so the Left will not lose Council or Parliament sears over this.
      
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      October 14, 2024 12:45pm
  - wsk12345
    
    oh so they just carry on at 30kmh with the dying person in the ambo ambling along behind them? Yeah great solution.
    
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    October 14, 2024 12:26pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  That’s a feature, Righty, not a bug.
  
  Cyclism wants nothing more than to slow down & otherwise inconvenience cars, to underline the virtues of their hobby.
  
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  October 14, 2024 1:14pm
Swifty

I’m absolutely positive that should Gower toddle off few would notice and even fewer would care.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350446246/kiwi-yarns-podcast-paddy-gower-worried-hed-let-people-down-if-he-quit-journalism

And if it weren’t for massive taxpayer subsidisation of his work, via NZ On Air, and to the tune of millions of taxpayer dollars for his documentaries alone, over the last few years he would have toddled off years ago.
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October 14, 2024 10:06am
- Ghost
  
  having a stuff podcast is the same as quitting. Now he is in the void of podcast space where only a few will ever hear him.
  
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  October 14, 2024 10:17am
- pdm
  
  Swifty with luck he will take Campbell and a dew others with him into total oblivion.
  
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  October 14, 2024 10:19am
  - Flossie
    
    Jack Tame could join the exodus
    
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    October 14, 2024 10:29am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Should!
      
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      October 14, 2024 10:44am
- cmm
  
  The only person that would care is the person in the mirror.
  
  A “National Treasure” in his own mind…
  
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  October 14, 2024 10:20am
- Blog-aholic
  
  He quit ‘journalism’ a long time ago……..
  
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  October 14, 2024 10:22am
  - igm
    
    I don’t think he actually commenced “journalism” at any stage.
    
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    October 14, 2024 12:30pm
- David Garrett
  
  Swifty: The arrogant hubris of the man! He’s providing a service to all New Zealanders by staying in journalism. Yean right.
  
  I wonder how much he paid a plastic surgeon to look somewhat less like a potato?
  
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  October 14, 2024 11:59am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Now now, some of us were hit with the ugly stick upon arrival in this world. No fault of our own. Agree with your first sentence though.
    
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    October 14, 2024 8:12pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Jesus God, if that ain’t the definition of hubris then I’m a monkey’s left testicle.
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:44pm
  - Swifty
    
    If he is so certain of his support then let him crowdfund his next documentary series.
    
    That’s the real test – not how many likes he gets on social media.
    
    Let’s see him go to the public to raise the hundreds and hundreds of thousands he needs for each doco series.
    
    That’ll put a value on how much he’s loved by New Zealanders.
    
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    October 14, 2024 2:08pm
    - MCōs
      
      Crowdfunding anything much in NZ is a struggle except for churches that offer their believers the choice between unconditional love and eternal damnation.
      
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      October 14, 2024 4:33pm
cmm

Third go at Trump?

A shotgun and a pistol with a high capacity magazine? Clearly he was hoping to get close to his target. Pistols are pretty useless beyond 50 metres.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350450158/third-trump-assassination-attempt-thwarted-us-police-say
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October 14, 2024 10:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Even after the Election the unhinged will still try and kill him.
  ‘Threat to Democracy you know.’
  
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  October 14, 2024 11:30am
  - kowtow
    
    They love to call him a threat to democracy .
    
    But coming from the team whno wants to stack the Supreme Court and now do away with the electoral college , I’d say they are hypocrites .
    
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    October 14, 2024 3:30pm
- wsk12345
  
  He apparently had VIP passes (fake ones) so indeed, he was planning to get very close.
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:32pm
- MCōs
  
  These are just the ones you hear about
  I saw a picture the other day of a couple of extremely obese guys queuing for milkshakes in a 7-Eleven, armed to the teeth with automatic this and that.
  Who’s to say they mightn’t have been of a mind to shoot some commie democrat, but chickened out.
  
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  October 14, 2024 4:49pm
Skippytony

So, Mr Mauger, lets get this right. You campaigned on a very specific policy to contain rate increases.

Rate increases are going to be THREE times what you said they would be capped at:

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/10/13/didnt-do-what-i-promised-christchurchs-mayor-on-rates-rises/

So you are now (finally) admitting that you are not going to deliver your core electoral promise.

And it’s what? “Oh sorry folks, I didn’t understand what I was doing”

Oh, FFS you should be resigning in shame and never showing your face in public again.
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October 14, 2024 11:10am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Someone who actually has a journalistic backbone needs to dive deep into the CCC finances and find out where the rates they collect are really spent.
  
  It’s no wonder the current city clerk has taken a $100K drop in salary……
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:17pm
- Jack5
  
  Phil Mauger’s been a disappointment. In a famous libel case in NZ more than half a century ago the headline above a story about a Cabinet Minister read: “Phil will fix it”.
  
  Christchurch’s Phil so far has phixed ph— all.
  
  Christchurch City’s big spend continues, and there’s no move to capitalise on the council’s assets such as its Lyttelton Port and controlling stake of Christchurch Airport. The Bay of Plenty Regional Council’s greatly successful commercialisation of Port of Tauranga is somehow too “different” to be an example.
  
  In the TVNZ report:
  
  Of the total rates rise, about two percentage points of the average increase will go towards constructing the city’s $683 million Te Kaha stadium.
  
  Two percentage points? Usually “percentage points” is the term used when comparing percentages.
  
  So what Christchurch City’s spinsters aren’t saying is that the new stadium accounts for a fifth of the average rates increase. (Two divided by the 9.9 – the 9.9 being the percentage average rates rise.) So the stadium’s costing ratepayer 20.2 per cent of the rates rise, and yes that’s still 2 percentage points.
  
  Christchurch City has fallen into the stadiums and conference-centre financial traps that cities around the Western world have fallen into.
  
  No need to bullshit us about it.
  
  The TVNZ report:
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/10/13/didnt-do-what-i-promised-christchurchs-mayor-on-rates-rises/
  
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  October 14, 2024 1:01pm
  - Jack5
    
    Edit … conference- centre financial traps.
    
    [fixed. mod.]
    
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    October 14, 2024 1:10pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Christchurch has been insular as long as I’ve done business there. The suggestion that they buy in services rather than do them themselves caused apoplexy. Ditto with the suggestion that non core businesses could be privatised.
    
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    October 14, 2024 1:19pm
- MCōs
  
  As was pointed out yesterday a large proportion of council revenue goes towards serving debt and this is obviously directly effected by interest rates, which in turn are effected the OCR rate.
  In Aug 2021 the OCR rate was 0.25%. By the time of the 2022 local elections it was 3%
  Subsequently the interest rates councils pay must have skyrocketed
  Apart from all that promising to contain rate rises is a foolhardy election sop.
  
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  October 14, 2024 4:22pm
  - kowtow
    
    And borrowing as if interest rates will always stay really low is also brain dead.
    
    These people call themselves “experts” and “leaders”. Constantly trot out language about resilience , sustainability and responsibility etc and yet they are anything but.
    
    Faaaark.
    
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    October 14, 2024 5:15pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350450133/former-green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-appeals-shoplifting-convictions

How can you appeal a conviction for a crime that you pled guilty to??
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October 14, 2024 12:14pm
- Ghost
  
  From the article
  
  Cresswell told Justice Geoffrey Venning the convictions may impact Ghahraman’s June 2024 job application at the International Criminal Court (ICC).
  
  Ummmm, international criminal court, why would you want to hire a convicted shoplifter? Should you not be seeking lawyers of a better quality?
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:26pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Ghost: Well yes…but perhaps the court is in need of counsel willing to defend despicable war criminals? She has form in that regard of course.
    
    That woman represents absolutely everything that is wrong with the Green party and its caucus. Hypocritical, sanctimonious, and a serial liar.
    
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    October 14, 2024 1:03pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Golly G could offer insight into the criminal mind?
    
    Not sure that the CCC often deals with shoplifting, though.
    
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    October 14, 2024 1:21pm
- David Garrett
  
  slightly: It is possible, but very rare, and usually when a person is not very bright, is not legally represented, or some police or prosecutorial misconduct is uncovered. None of those apply in the case of this entitled madam.
  
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  October 14, 2024 1:19pm
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    Exactly the same as Eli Rubashkyn. How is court time even being allocated to this waste of time and taxpayer money.
    Both got away with light sentences and should have thanked their lucky stars.
    
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    October 14, 2024 7:00pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  That just makes me so angry. People like her and Kiri Allen just appeal and appeal until they get a lighter sentence. They have nothing to lose. There needs to be a risk in appealing that you may get a harsher sentence.
  
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  October 14, 2024 1:27pm
  - Swifty
    
    The clincher for me is that her diminished job prospects are the result of her offending, not of her convictions.
    
    For her to have her convictions quashed means she will be let off the quite normal and routine, for everyone else, consequences of her offending.
    
    If she had plans to move into international criminal justice post her political career then it was even more important for her to remain crime free. She did not. She went out and repeatedly stole. It wasn’t a one off, she did it multiple times.
    
    She blew this voluntarily and of her own accord and to which she plead guilty. She accepted she did it.
    
    For her to now be let off just makes a mockery of our justice system and encourages the thinking that there are two sets of rules – one for the plebs and one for the special people.
    
    It also spits in the face of the tens of thousands of New Zealanders who are convicted of crimes annually but who are not special and have to take their lumps.
    
    By the way, I wonder how many times during her political career Gharaman voted for legislation that had criminal penalties attached to it for non-compliance? Tens and tens of times? Hundreds of times? She was happy as a lawmaker to dispense rules and punishments for New Zealanders but when it comes to her own situation she wants to be let off completely. To be entirely free of legal consequences.
    
    The hypocrisy of the Left just never ceases to amaze me.
    
    “Punishments for thee but not for me.”
    
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    October 14, 2024 2:30pm
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    In the UK that can happen. Rare but if a judge thinks not only was the sentence not too light but not heavy enough, they can add.
    I think at the core of this though is NZ’s stupid discharge without conviction system. We have here in the UK an absolute discharge but a conviction is registered. Absolute are extremely rare as well – usually you’ll pick up a conditional discharge meaning you have to behave for a certain period.
    
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    October 14, 2024 7:03pm
- Rumblestrip
  
  Don’t forget, Golriz declared she is “taking full responsibility” for her offending.
  
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  October 14, 2024 5:46pm
kiwikidsnz

Former Green MP Golriz Ghahraman appeals shoplifting convictions.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350450133/former-green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-appeals-shoplifting-convictions
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October 14, 2024 12:26pm
- David Garrett
  
  Kiwi: I wonder how on earth this woman got a law degree – do they sell Weetbix in Iran?
  
  She pleaded guilty to all charges. She was legally represented when she pleaded. If she is now allowed to effectively withdraw those pleas it will be a total disgrace, and yet another blot on the record of the New Zealand judiciary. One law for the elite, another for the hoi-polloi.
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:49pm
  - cmm
    
    DG: “do they sell Weetbix in Iran”
    
    Of course you jest. She arrived in NZ at age 9 or so and earned her Weetbix degree here. Auckland Uni to be precise, then an MS in International Human Rights Law at Oxford.
    
    It is hard to believe that she didn’t get brownie points.
    
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    October 14, 2024 1:15pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Perhaps Chloe can give her an alibi: “No GG didn’t do it. I was with her at the time.”
    
    Narcissists will always lie, even when there is evidence. A narcissist can be caught cheating on his/her spouse, with photos or video, donkey deep, with clear shot of face, and identifying tattoos, and they will still say “It was not me, I was not there.”
    
    They have photo evidence of GG taking stuff; they had eye witness accounts; she pleaded guilty.
    
    What excuse can she give?
    
    Perhaps she was out of her tree on drugs, or has split personality, so believes she didn’t do it, but the “other” GG did it.
    
    Perhaps she “didn’t do it”; perhaps it was her hands that took the items, and her hands were acting without her knowledge.
    
    Perhaps she has an evil twin.
    
    Perhaps she was cloned and the clone did it.
    
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    October 14, 2024 1:15pm
- cmm
  
  But she did nothing wrong….
  
  Silly (inaudible) I thought she got off rather lightly. She should just accept what she got.
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:50pm
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm: I can’t for the life of me understand why the High Court judge who heard the appeal has reserved his decision – possibly because he wants to make the decision robust enough to withstand any further appeal.
    
    Justice Garrett KC (Tong.) would have disposed of it immediately.
    
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    October 14, 2024 1:00pm
  - cmm
    
    “Cresswell told Justice Geoffrey Venning the convictions may impact Ghahraman’s June 2024 job application at the International Criminal Court (ICC).”
    
    Should have considered that BEFORE the offending.
    
    And please fuck off with that PTSD bullshit.
    
    In 1985 I was in the South African Army and sent from Pretoria to Grootfontein in South West Africa (now Namibia). While walking around the admin area, I walked past a young second lieutenant with a scruffy half beard and eyes that looked like those of a heroine addict. He must have been 19 or 20, but had the demeanor of an 80 year old alcoholic. He was sweeping the corridor – something you’d never expect an officer to be doing.
    
    I later found out his story: two months previously he had misread a map and led his squad into a friendly-fire ambush. Out of around 10 people he was the only one to survive. He felt personally responsible for all those killed.
    
    That’s PTSD.
    
    Leaving a country where bombs were dropped 500km away is not.
    
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    October 14, 2024 1:09pm
    - David Garrett
      
      cmm: “That’s PTSD”
      
      Quite so. As you know, the bomber war of 1939-45 is of particular interest to me. I think it is perfectly arguable that almost every man in bomber command – certainly the vast majority – would have had at least one thing happen to them which would qualify for a PTSD diagnosis; the unlucky ones would have had several.
      
      Of course PTSD was not “discovered” back then – or at least not properly identified – and the only “therapy” the poor buggers had was getting hammered with their mates at the RSA.
      
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      October 14, 2024 1:15pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Imagine in 1950 – at a time when even mild swearing in front of “ladies” was not acceptable – trying to tell your unworldly young wife about the night a FW 190 jumped their Lancaster from behind, and the remains of Jimmy, the tail gunner, had to be hosed out of the turret? It’s a wonder they didn’t all become raving alkies or topped themselves.
        
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        October 14, 2024 1:23pm
      - cmm
        
        Yup, bombing must have been bloody hard. You’re guaranteed to be shot at. Chance of being killed in a horrific fashion (burning or falling to death) is high.
        
        Even if you did your job successfully you had to deal with the thought that your bombs were often killing civilians – including children.
        
        It is mainly the young leaders I think about (corporals and lieutenants). It is one thing to face combat and maybe get killed or maimed, but it is quite another to have the duty to command someone to do something that results in their death. That’s a lot of responsibility to pack on an 18 or 19 year old.
        
        Imagine the pressures on the young pilots who have the responsibility for their plane, their crew and still getting the job done.
        
        As a barman at university (1980-83) I often dealt with the aftermath – especially Rhodesians who saw a lot more combat that South Africans.
        
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        October 14, 2024 1:29pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Davis, you might be interested in this book. I just finished it.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbroken_(book)
        
        About Louis Zamperini. Flew on bombing missions in the Pacific on B24s.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_B-24_Liberator
        
        Unbelievable what he went through.
        
        He represented USA in athletics at the 1936 Olympics. He was set to peak at the 1940 Olympics. Of course those never happened.
        
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        October 14, 2024 1:49pm
      - AitchW
        
        My father fought in WW2, he was in North Africa and ended up (somehow) in Germany.
        At some stage he was diagnosed as suffering from shellshock as result of being trapped in a burning tank. (I think that was the cause, as was typical of serviceman of that time he never, ever spoke of the war.)
        His treatment was to be sent to a military hospital where he was heavily sedated, when he woke he was fed and given more sedation. This carried on for how long I don’t know, then he was sent back to carry on fighting.
        I believe that would qualify as PTSD, whether the treatment was appropriate I have no idea. He died in in 1973 when I was 10, I saw no signs of lasting damage so perhaps it was..
        
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        October 14, 2024 2:26pm
      - Mike
        
        The incidence of PTSD is highly variable. What cripples one individual might stimulate another, with many variances between the extremes.
        It’s not known, for example, whether the incidence of PTSD was higher among surviving bomber crew than among surviving civilians from bombed cities.
        
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        October 14, 2024 5:39pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        As I understand it DG a lot of vets did/do become alkies/druggies.
        
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        October 14, 2024 8:59pm
- peterwn
  
  Article paywalled. Presumably she wants discharge without conviction, I doubt that she can withdraw her guilty plea. Consequence of a conviction in her case would not be out of proportion to the nature of her offending especially taking into account her attitude at the time. However perhaps she could be discharged without conviction if she undertook to leave NZ and never return.
  
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  October 14, 2024 12:59pm
  - David Garrett
    
    peterwn: the article is not paywalled on Stuff…or it wasn’t 20 minutes or so ago.
    
    And still not
    
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    October 14, 2024 1:01pm
  - AitchW
    
    peterwn, I wonder how such an undertaking would be enforced? Can you imagine the howls of outrage if she were to return and be rejected at the border? She’s already shown herself to be litigious, I’m sure she would not hesitate to fight such an exclusion through the courts.
    
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    October 14, 2024 2:29pm
    - rouppe
      
      They’re all fighting it in the courts.
      
      Golriz over her shoplifting.
      Darleen Tana over her expulsion.
      The person who attacked Posie Parker over their conviction.
      
      I’m waiting for Kiri Allen to appeal now. Something I didn’t know until just now: Kiri Allen is permitted to be referred to as “The Honourable Kiri Allen” for life. Go figure
      
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      October 14, 2024 3:45pm
      - Mike
        
        Plenty of extremely dodgy pollies have retained the honorific. Must be a high bar to have it stripped – maybe a prison sentence.
        
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        October 14, 2024 5:31pm
      - Ehlana
        
        According to the Parliament website, “”The Hon.” is “currently reserved for the members of the Executive (Ministers) and judges of the High Court, Appeal Court and Supreme Court.”
        Interestingly, it also says “the title of “The Hon” is not automatically granted for life but needs the recommendation of the Prime Minister to become permanent.”
        
        So, did a PM recommend that the title be permanent for Kiri Allen? Or is she just continuing to use it?
        
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        October 15, 2024 11:28am
- Inandout
  
  If you want a job at CCC apply below:
  https://www.icc-cpi.int/jobs
  Note all those countries so called ‘unrepresented’.
  
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  October 14, 2024 1:01pm
- imalwaysright
  
  That’s a real thumbs up for morals, ethics and respect for the law.
  If you can get yourself off the criminal charges you admitted to, and were sentenced for, then you’ve got a better then evens chance of a job at the International Criminal Court!
  
  Sounds like a subplot in an Austin Powers movie, but hey, this is NZ. Everything is possible when you are a type, and you are dealing with the legacy justice system of the régime.
  
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  October 14, 2024 1:11pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Cresswell told Justice Geoffrey Venning the convictions may impact Ghahraman’s June 2024 job application at the International Criminal Court (ICC).
  
  So she is not appealing because she is innocent; She is appealing because the conviction will stop her getting the job of her dreams.
  
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  October 14, 2024 1:25pm
  - kowtow
    
    She had a job that so many can only dream of , being a member of the house of representatives ………and she blew that by getting caught out as a thief.
    
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    October 14, 2024 5:09pm
- sirknz
  
  Would be great if she got more punishment whacked on top of her already light sentence as a result of this appeal.
  
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  October 14, 2024 1:49pm
JackRabbit

Florida State Surgeon General Calls for Halt in the Use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines.

(And CBS News, that are NOT in the business of health, call it misinformation!)

Providers and patients should be aware of outstanding mRNA COVID-19 vaccine safety and efficacy concerns:

The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines present a risk of subclinical and clinical myocarditis and other cardiovascular conditions among otherwise healthy individuals.

The mRNA COVID-19 vaccine may be associated with an increased risk of postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS).

The mRNA COVID-19 vaccine may be associated with an increased risk of autoimmune diseases including systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), rheumatoid arthritis, and psoriasis.

Throughout the pandemic, studies across geographic regions found that the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are associated with negative effectiveness after four to six months. As efficacy waned, studies showed that COVID-19 vaccinated individuals developed an increased risk for infection.

Elevated levels of mRNA and spike protein from the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine persist among some individuals for an indefinite period, which may carry health risks.

Potential DNA integration from the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines pose unique and elevated risk to human health and to the integrity of the human genome, including the risk that DNA integrated into sperm or egg gametes could be passed onto offspring of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine recipients.

There is unknown risk of potential adverse impacts with each additional dose of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine; currently individuals may have received five to seven doses (and counting) of this vaccine over a 3-year period.

Read More:
https://www.floridahealth.gov/newsroom/2024/09/20210912-UpdatedGuidanceCOVID-19.html

Mainstream News think they are God and all knowing:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-new-covid-booster-guidance-misinformation-ladapo/
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October 14, 2024 12:59pm
- imalwaysright
  
  JackR
  Most “factcheckers” seem to be journalists.
  That’s handy when you need to discredit information that contradicts the propaganda that journalists were instrumental in spreading.
  
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  October 14, 2024 2:01pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    That’s handy when you need to discredit information that contradicts the propaganda that journalists were ~~instrumental in spreading.~~ paid to spread.
    
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    October 14, 2024 5:15pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The guy is a menace.
  
  https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/floridas-surgeon-general-shows-the-danger-of-politicizing-of-medicine/
  
  He has also defied MMR vaccine guidelines.
  
  https://www.axios.com/2024/02/23/florida-measles-outbreak-ladapo-vaccine-guidelines
  
  Of course in 2024 there was a measles outbreak. Originating in Florida.
  
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/measles-spread-states-trips-to-florida/
  
  To repeat, the guy is a menace of the highest order.
  
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  October 14, 2024 2:08pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Can you give a precis of your reasoning? The links are getting a bit tiresome, tell us why you make these statements.
    And also be careful with your selection of your links, you have in the past referred to some sites that, contrary to the header, have actually been contradictory to your statements.
    
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    October 14, 2024 2:19pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      As I have told Benedict many times, copying and pasting links is not research.
      
      ….contrary to the header, have actually been contradictory to your statements.
      
      About 8 years The NZ Royal Society presented a report saying they agreed with the 3.2mm annual sea level rise as presented by NASA, at the time.
      
      The links provided in the report, traced all the way back to data on seal level rise in NZ. Which upon reading those data summaries, sea level rise in NZ was still the same old 1.5mm per year.
      
      And as we know from as early as primary school science, that sea level rise is constant throughout the world.
      
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      October 14, 2024 5:45pm
  - Fender
    
    so your first link is an opinion in a left leaning site
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/scientific-american/
    
    funded by https://www.springernature.com/gp
    who mention DEI immediately on their site
    
    I’m surprised you don’t just go straight to the source,
    the worlds leading expert on everything medical
    
    https://www.gatesfoundation.org/ideas/media-center/press-releases/2024/04/global-immunization-fifty-years
    
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    October 14, 2024 5:25pm
  - Mike
    
    This crank’s department has also been threatening news media for airing commercials advocating for a pro-choice ballot initiative.
    
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    October 14, 2024 5:28pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    I know or have met dozens of people with vaccine side effects, two of whom have permanent postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS).
    
    One is a programmer, so can still partially work.
    
    The other who was in peak health, cannot work, and has a range of resultant symptoms such as random low blood sugar, fainting / falling over if standing up too long, a pulse that never gets below 100 and can reach 150-180 with very little exertion. Family has heavily reduced income and they have young children.
    
    And in both cases, specialists here have confirmed it was the mRNA vaccine that did it. In all the other people, symptoms range from dizzyness, heart palpitations, instant arthritis, death on the day of the vaccine etc.
    
    It is highly disrespectful of you to suggest that the Florida Surgeon General is wrong.
    
    It is highly disrespectful of you to say these people are imagining it.
    
    It is as bad as being a holocaust denier, or telling woman that have been raped that they are imagining it, and the doctors, nurses, and police that treated them or investigated the rapes are also menaces.
    
    Is it your attitude that all those people that were abused in state care in NZ over the last few decades, also imagining it and the investigators also menaces.
    
    Where is your humanity?
    
    You have to ask the question, if the vaccine was so good, why did thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of NZ Health management / administrators get blanket exemptions?
    
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    October 14, 2024 5:34pm
    - Ghost
      
      I know or have met dozens of people with vaccine side effects, two of whom have permanent postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS).
      
      Tell them to look up parasym plus.
      
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      October 14, 2024 6:03pm
      - Ghost
        
        Perhaps the 3 people who have no idea about POTS can explain why they object to parasym plus
        
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        October 14, 2024 9:16pm
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        Thanks Ghost. Will pass that on.
        
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        October 15, 2024 9:43am
Ghost

US police say they have thwarted a third assassination attempt against former US president Donald Trump.

A Las Vegas man was arrested with weapons and fake passes near a weekend rally by Trump in Coachella Valley, Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco said.

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- JackRabbit
  
  It doesn’t help that the media and the democrats are whipping the public into a frenzy and implying that anyone that assassinates Trump is a hero, and likening Trump to Hitler.
  
  It has become “open season” on Trump. Biden and Co should be behind bars for treason.
  
  Officials found a rifle with an “obliterated and unreadable” serial number at the scene, according to the DOJ, as well as bulletproof armor plates.
  
  Routh allegedly wrote a note several months prior detailing his plot against Trump, including a $150,000 reward to “whomever can complete the job.”
  
  “Dear World, this was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump but I am so sorry I failed you,” the note, shared in court as part of a detention proffer, reads.
  
  And then you have this from 2020:
  
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/1/21/iranian-mp-puts-3m-bounty-on-president-donald-trumps-head
  
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  October 14, 2024 5:55pm
  - Ghost
    
    It’s where we are heading
    
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    October 14, 2024 6:16pm
NothingLeft

https://x.com/i/status/1845275341742395467
Interesting videoed summary of details on how Democrats created and infiltrated at least a million (but up to 10million) postal ballots into the US postal service in 2020 election, printed by same folks who won contracts to print rest of ballots and filled in for Biden at a large Democrat controlled facility (specifics about facilities used are known). Used a number of temporary rule changes and exploits to enable this – including a temporary postal service rule change to limit time that documentary evidence had to be retained to allow destruction of incriminating records.

Came to light from a whistleblowing trucker who was mistakenly tasked with transporting a million of these ballots. He claims he was threatened into silence by FBI.

The organization who have prepped this video have spent years fighting legal battles to get information on who paid for 1 mistaken whistleblower truck plus ~9 other trucks that were used to do this transportation from the Postal Service who have fought tooth and nail to prevent release, as they figure this will be the smoking gun.

This would go a long way to explaining mechanics of Biden’s +10million higher turnout mostly in postal ballots, and all the huge dumps of all-Biden-Ballots in middle of election night count.

Will be interesting if Trump wins and new FBI leadership become willing to investigate this using their tools and powers.
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October 14, 2024 4:15pm
Chuck Bird

From the Herald. The UN should stay out of Southern Lebanon Mr Luxon and NZ should stop funding UNRWA.

Luxon on Israel

On Israel targetting UN peacekeepers, Luxon said it was “utterly” unacceptable.

“The whole world is outraged Israel is targetting UN facilities,” he said.
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October 14, 2024 4:47pm
- mandk
  
  I stand with Israel on most things, but especially on this.
  
  The UN has done absolutely nothing to stop Hezbollah launching 9,000 rockets at Israel, mainly at civilian targets.
  
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  October 14, 2024 4:58pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Repalce the present UNFIL “soldiers” with some real ones.
    
    Orders Group: Your job is to stop Hezbollah from operating in Lebanon.
    
    One Battalion of Gurkhas and One of Fijians should do it.
    
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    October 14, 2024 7:19pm
    - Mike
      
      UNIFIL has several battalions already, including one from Nepal. The Fijian battalion has been in Sinai for decades. Why do you think two battalions could do the job the Israeli army has failed to do in successive invasions?
      
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      October 15, 2024 7:14am
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    mk… May be a neutralizer.
    https://x.com/TimesAlgebraIND/status/1845163894064734623
    
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    October 14, 2024 8:38pm
  - Jack5
    
    In the Telegraph tonight (our time), Israelis say staff of United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (Unifil) have been used as human shields by Hezbollah.
    
    A hundred metres from a UN watch tower that surveys southern Lebanon Israeli troops found a tunnel entrance to a Hezbollah attack position.
    
    An Israeli officer, General Yiftach, told the Telegraph reporter: “To build a tunnel like this you need a lot of equipment. You can’t hide it. It’s very odd to us that the UN didn’t see these activities.”
    
    The Hezbollah tunnel shown to the reporter was one of two, 10 metres apart.
    
    One was an observation post, with cameras used to collect intelligence on Israeli villages. The other was used to fire anti-tank missiles at Israeli villages.
    
    I suspect the report is behind the newspaper’s paywall – sorry.
    
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    October 14, 2024 10:30pm
- kowtow
  
  The civilised world and those footing the bill for UNIFIL should be outraged .
  
  UNIFIL has failed utterly in its mission .
  Hezblowup has, under their very noses, militarised that region to an incredible extent .
  
  UNIFIL nations need to get the hell out of there.
  
  ps Does anyone recall any “whole world outraged” when Hezblowup was targetting UNIFIL ……no didn’t think so.
  
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  October 14, 2024 5:04pm
- Inandout
  
  CB, the whole world?
  
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  October 14, 2024 5:53pm
- Elli
  
  Luxon is showing that he’s never had to survive anything, which is allowable. But being a PM and not even knowing the history is pretty lazy. Back in the sixties Israel attacked and killed American servicemen on a navy survey vessel who had got a bit too close to a fight. They have since worked the relationship back to good terms with the US – a world first. At best Luxon could say the events are regrettable, and predictable in that Israel are still acting in their own best interests, but never unacceptable. They are justifiable. That the UN deliberately and actively attacked Israel in all ways but militarily, and given they know the history, it was inevitable. I find it hard to believe that the UN didn’t know what kind of danger they were starting, or in. Their job of de-escalation is obviously over.
  
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  October 14, 2024 7:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something I just saw on Facebook (where old people go apparently)
“Safe and Effective” is not a lie. It is TWO lies!
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October 14, 2024 4:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“The View” has been cancelled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qy4nsfuWRA

Sorry, it’s nearly time for One Network News. Oh wait, they could be one and the same.
Nah, that’s Breakfast in the morning.
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October 14, 2024 5:47pm
Ghost

1 news poll. Thought with the media beat up over the Dunedin hospital it would be worse

National was on 37% and Labour was on 29% – both down one point since the last poll in August.

The Green Party was at 12%, Act 8%, NZ First 5% and Te Pāti Māori 4%.

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October 14, 2024 6:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Neil Oliver Interviews Candace Owens.
Many do hit jobs on Candace – do a hit job on Neil Oliver. Must be because she is a Black American.
Long, over one hour. I will listen when the speaker of the house is asleep 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gmDHw-lO4Q

Income Candace haters in 3, 2 1, oh, zero?
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October 14, 2024 6:38pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I listened to Sean Plunket interviewing her. It appeared Sean started off as kind of treating her like a potential nutter but it quickly became apparent she was nothing of the sort. I thought she was very sharp and explained herself very well.
  
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  October 14, 2024 10:07pm
  - Ghost
    
    She used to be alright, but has become a bit of an idiot. Another moon landing denier. antisemitic. Not worth listening to anymore
    
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    October 14, 2024 10:19pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      She discusses the moon landings with Sean Plunket (can be viewed on Platform Kiwi you tube channel). Basically she has a few questions and thinks it possible some of the footage *may* have been faked due to the space race with the Soviets. She didn’t seem to be a dead set believer that it was all fake at all. She also discusses 9/11 in another platform video and simply says she’s aware one company in the towers got prior warning of the attack and managed to get all their staff out of the buildings as a result. She said the the FBI mentioned it but that story went dead. She DOES believe it was a t error ist attack. If you have hard evidence she is “antisemitic” can you please post links in tomorrow’s general debate? Remember the lefty media hate her because she’s a conservative with a big audience so will be making s**t up about her.
      
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      October 15, 2024 11:18pm
      - Ghost
        
        The Jerusalem post has a number of articles up about her antiseptic comments. She does not support Israel, she has said they are committing genocide. She has called Israel, Jews, pedophiles. There is currently a call to ban her from x for her latest rant against Israel and Jews. All you can see dribbling form her own mouth
        
        You can also have a read of this letter
        https://assets.ctfassets.net/qnesrjodfi80/4rR7bx8wnD4YcM06JiBp3l/36e46704f8d36e2fb6db3c79db3c88ee/a_letter_from_dennis_prager_to_candace_owens.pdf
        
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    - NZer In Exile
      
      I suggest have a look at this Candace interview:
      
      DEBATE: Is Everything Antisemitism | Candace Ep 19
      
      https://www.bitchute.com/video/lQPWUHyw4xY
      
      She strikes me as reasonable and fairly open minded. She likes to explore, or at least peek into censored concepts. I don’t agree with her *current* take on the Gaza situation, but I believe she is capable of being persuaded to change her mind.
      
      My take is she sails fairly close to the wind (as in not automatically siding with Israel and the US Israel lobby) but is not “antisemitic” per se. Keep in mind if watching the above interview that Kanye West is a personal friend of hers and it appears she was aware he was going through some sort of mental breakdown when he made the “defcon” tweet (which was apparently about a particular group of Jewish people he perceived as targeting him).
      
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      October 16, 2024 5:33pm
Ghost

Romantic? Creepy. And what about the privacy of the lady whose name you plastered on billboards.

Alexander Pryazhnikov wins privacy battle against police after hiring billboards to ask woman on date

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This guy sounds like a creep

According to his evidence, he and the woman met in Europe in the late 2000s. He last saw the woman when he visited her in New Zealand in 2010. That trip ended on bad terms when the woman allegedly called him controlling, but Pryazhnikov claims they rekindled via email over the following years.

He repeatedly tried to contact the woman in 2018, telling her he wanted to come to New Zealand and visit her. She either didn’t receive or ignored the contact, so Pryazhnikov went about hiring the Cuba St billboards to gain her attention.

He also purchased a domain name for the site dear[woman’s name].co.nz, where he wrote a message to her.

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Another win for Team NZ 4 – 0.
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