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NeverMindTheBollocks

This is a very odd story.

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A police sergeant in Victoria has been suspended after she allegedly performed an outlawed Nazi salute.

The 65-year-old woman, who is an instructor on domestic violence policy and law at the Victoria state police academy in Melbourne, could face criminal charges for the gesture.

She praised Nazi leader Adolf Hitler with the words, “Heil Hitler” on Tuesday and Wednesday in front of academy staff and recruits, police commissioner Shane Patton said.

The police officer, whose name has not been released, has served in the police for more than 40 years.

Patton said the suspended officer did not have a history of extreme views and her motives were unknown.
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So, a female of 65 with 40 years of service, with no known extreme views & who works in the domestic violence area, suddenly ups & does the most offensive thing she can think of. A cry for help? Seeking wrap around care? Or is it two fingers to the Victorian Police & its active role in crushing Covid protest and not pro Palestinian protest?

Why do I think there’s more to this story than we have been told?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350449545/australian-police-sergeant-suspended-faces-charges-over-nazi-salute
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October 13, 2024 8:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Police want to keep the Govt Covid lies covered up?
  
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  October 13, 2024 9:49am
- Inandout
  
  NM, Victoria would have to be the most woke area in Australia, almost a bubble. Changing Premiers did absolutely nothing for the future of the State as it is seriously in debt. Melbourne has become a city that has weekend demos against Israel, almost boringly so in their frequency. The actions of that Sergeant may be the result of constant anti semitic chanting that she would have heard on the street. Remember the ads with ‘You’re Soaking In It’- Palmolive, or ‘Persil washes whiter’? Heard countless times, never forgotten.
  
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  October 13, 2024 10:18am
- peterwn
  
  There was a joke doing the rounds many years ago about the salutes various armies used including the Nazi one. Presumably anyone telling the joke and doing the salutes would face prison time in Victoria. It was not the Nazi salute that was the most objectionable. The last salute was the Salvation Army ‘salute’ – arm held our straight seeking a donation.
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:53am
Yvette

In November, if the proposed Waitangi Principles bill is introduced as announced, and the wording is roughly also as announced, it will confirm Government has the right to govern, which sounds dopey to need to reassert, but when Hipkins, Leader of Labour and the Opposition and former Prime Minister, says Maori did not cede sovereignty at Waitangi, 1840, he casts doubt on his integrity and right to have been Prime Minister and to still be in Government.

And in regard to Christopher Luxon, who has so repeatedly has stated National will not pass this proposed bill, will he finally explain exactly why he will not support such legislation, yet sight unseen, but will assert his right to even officially be in the position to not pass the bill – I did say above it seems dopey.

The Maori Party, who are apparently hypocritically still sitting in Parliament while awaiting the establishment of a Maori Parliament, along with Hipkins, are a prime reason for the bill.

And of course if the so-called Founding Document of the Nation, does not distinguish who has the right to govern – or that Principle cannot be derived from the Treaty – what fucking use is it?

(… she said, with a slight frustration)
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October 13, 2024 8:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Luxon is a Maori activist.
  
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  October 13, 2024 9:53am
  - David Garrett
    
    Steve: But he increased the number of gays employed by Air NZ !! You can’t take that away from him
    
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    October 13, 2024 10:03am
    - cmm
      
      ” But he increased the number of gays employed by Air NZ ”
      
      Did he? Or did he just make it fashionable so all the closet gays just came out?
      
      From my limited experience (I haven’t flown since 2008), male air hostesses (are they air hosts?) are almost all camp as anything.
      
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      October 13, 2024 10:58am
      - PurplePen
        
        Cabin crew .. instead of air hostess.
        
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        October 13, 2024 12:35pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Stewards.
        
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        October 13, 2024 2:05pm
      - AitchW
        
        Flight attendant I believe. No pronouns required…
        
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        October 13, 2024 2:13pm
    - PurplePen
      
      If he did, I didn’t notice. But he did cancel the gay themed flights to Sydney gay Mardi gras.
      
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      October 13, 2024 12:34pm
  - pdm
    
    SO – maybe not quite an activist but very much onside with Maori demands.
    
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    October 13, 2024 10:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ask him about his opinion on Co-governance. He will tell you what Peters says, and what Seymour says, but he will NOT answer the question.
      
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      October 13, 2024 10:21am
  - Ghost
    
    A Māori activist wouldn’t have taken away the maori health agency, or taken away their 3 waters. Put English names back on agencies. Removed a teachers te reo course.
    
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    October 13, 2024 10:15am
    - David Garrett
      
      Ghost: You forget he has to keep Peters in the tent.
      
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      October 13, 2024 10:26am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      3 waters = Taumata Arowai.
      
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      October 13, 2024 10:30am
      - Ghost
        
        No
        
        Taumata Arowai is the water regulator, it does the job the ministry of health used to do. It has no ownership of council asserts, it can’t control the council asserts. It is there to monitor the water quality. It’s not 3 waters
        
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        October 13, 2024 10:44am
      - pdm
        
        Very good point SO.
        
        Taumata Arowai is a Mahuta rort.
        
        As far as I can see it has all of the clout re Water.
        
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        October 13, 2024 10:48am
    - Yvette
      
      Ghost,
      Luxon has not removed te Puna, the Maori Advisory Council [1], to the New Zealand Water Regulator, Taumata Arowai, so Mana o te Wai – the first pou (pillar) of 3 Waters – remains intact
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      [1] Two recent new appointments made for a three-year term
      
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      October 13, 2024 11:30am
  - Flossie
    
    Steve O – who do you think would be the best person to be PM of New Zealand?
    
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    October 13, 2024 10:18am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jacinda Ardern!//
      Nope, Simeon Brown fits for me.
      
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      October 13, 2024 10:26am
  - Inandout
    
    SO, in his mind he may be, but he is aware NZF and ACT are watching and from the latest poll people seem unhappy with National. Expect some surprises at this weekend’s NZF get together.
    
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    October 13, 2024 10:27am
  - Damocles11
    
    Hipkins is a traitor who openly says that Maori never ceded sovereignty, thereby totally undermining the governments established right to govern all New Zealanders. On what basis can anyone claim that Labour is a mainstream political party? Labour is clearly an extremist group now totally in thrall to Maori radicalism and extreme Left views. And the majority of New Zealanders do and say nothing, trapped in corporate jobs where they are terrified to say boo to a goose about New Zealand’s dark plunge into an abyss of wokeism, DEI incompetence, Green extremism, and racial separatism which is eating away at our democracy like acid. Our government spending is still ridiculously high, we are now $175 billion in debt with this number climbing like a rocket ship….yet the MSM are allowed to portray any government actions to redress the balance as ‘harsh austerity’.
    Here’s my message to the corporate clowns who continue to stay silent and are often supporting – and directly funding – the Lefts agenda: we will leave. Productive New Zealanders will make the short hop across the Tasman to a wealthier country where democracy is still in good standing. You’ll be advertising to the dregs who remain, your businesses will fail. I have not for one day of my life been dependent on the state, and I will not remain in a madhouse.
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:01am
    - AitchW
      
      I suspect he’s being stood over by the Maori caucus.
      I wonder why there’s no Maori mafia in the National party?
      It has a large proportion of Maori MPs, perhaps they have shrugged off shackles of entitlitis which still bind the Labour MPs?
      
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      October 13, 2024 12:44pm
    - pdm
      
      Labour at about 30%in the latest NZTU Curia Poll is not credible.
      
      I think the 23% in Roy Morgan is far more realistic.
      
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      October 13, 2024 1:59pm
      - Ghost
        
        Labour went up because of the mess they left with the dunedin hospital. That is how they win the next election, people blaming the govt for labour’s mess that is going to take a long time to clean up
        
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        October 13, 2024 2:00pm
      - AitchW
        
        I found it interesting that I saw no coverage on the media of the Roy Morgan poll, whereas the Curia poll led the bulletins.
        They’re not even pretending to be unbiased now.
        
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        October 13, 2024 2:15pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, and it matches all other polls
        
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        October 13, 2024 10:10pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    There you go again Steve. No, he is at worst an enabler.
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:45am
- rouppe
  
  And in regard to Christopher Luxon, who has so repeatedly has stated National will not pass this proposed bill, will he finally explain exactly why he will not support such legislation, yet sight unseen,
  
  Of course he won’t. He’ll just stick with “coalition agreement said support to first reading, and that is what we’ve done”.
  
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  October 13, 2024 10:27am
  - Yvette
    
    • Luxon says Government is sovereign
    • He buys and sells property as if he is legal owner (chief)
    • He campaigns as if all New Zealand voters have equal rights and he is party to legislation which assumes equal responsibilities.
    
    Does he have a problem?
    perhaps not – until the bill is voted down and the corollary then supposedly applies – he supports none of the above?
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:23pm
  - Ghost
    
    Because the bill isn’t needed and what they agreed to do with NZ First is a better deal
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:25pm
    - Damocles11
      
      They’ve done something with NZ First?
      What?
      Absolutely nothing.
      – The Treaty of Waitangi and its completely made up Principles are still embedded in our legislation.
      – The ‘Waitangi Tribunal’ – stacked with radical activists by the treasonous Labour Party – is still burning through taxpayer money churning out separatist propaganda.
      I repeat again: National and NZ First have done absolutely nothing about these issues.
      
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      October 13, 2024 12:43pm
      - Ghost
        
        Perhaps you should realize that the government has a lot of work yo do and reversing the damage done by labour is actually going to take time. Instead of crying it’s not happening fast enough be grateful for what they’ve done so far.
        
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        October 13, 2024 1:21pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Seymour is doing something, and you say there’s no need to support that because what National and NZ First are doing is a better solution….except they aren’t actually doing anything vis a vis the purported better solution. I’m not crying that they aren’t going fast enough, I’m saying Seymour is dong something and the others are not.
        
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        October 13, 2024 3:24pm
      - Ghost
        
        Actually Seymour is doing nothing, because Seymour knew what he agreed to was for his idea to go no further than the first reading. That is what Seymour agreed to, nothing further than the first reading. Imagine that, making an agreement with the two other parties to actually not even get it further than the first agreement. What a knob. Yet nz first has already achieved some of what was in their Equal citizenship agreement
        
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        October 13, 2024 4:14pm
    - rouppe
      
      What they agreed with NZ First was the equivalent of giving the decks a clean.
      
      Next time Labour win they’ll just make the same mess again unless there are some legislative boundaries.
      
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      October 13, 2024 1:12pm
      - Ghost
        
        Hate to disappoint you but Seymour bill will not stop labour from redoing it
        
        They agreement with nz first is
        
        Agreement
        
        Equal qtizenship
        • The Coalition Government will defend the principle that New Zealanders are equal before the law,
        with the same rights and obligations, and with the guarantee of the privileges and responsibilities of
        equal citizenship in New Zealand.
        
        • The Coalition Government will work to improve outcomes for all ew Zealanders, and will not
        advance policies that seek to ascribe different rights and responsibilities to New Zealanders on the
        basis of their race or ancestry.
        
        • The Coalition Government will honour the undertakings made by the Crown through past Treaty of
        Waitangi settlements.
        
        • The Coalition Government will reverse measures taken in recent years which have eroded the principle
        of equal citizenship, specifically we will:
        
        o Remove co-governance from the delivery of public services.
        o As a matter of urgency, issue a Cabinet Office circular to all central government
        organisations that it is the Government’s expectation that public services should be
        prioritised on the basis of need, not race.
        o Restore the right to local referendum on the establishment or ongoing use of Maori wards,
        including requiring a referendum on any wards established without referendum at the next
        Local Body elections.
        o Stop all work on He Puapua
        o Confirm that the Coalition Government does not recognise the United ations Declaration
        on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) as having any binding legal effect on New
        Zealand.
        o Amend section 58 of the Marine and Coastal Area Act to make clear Parliament’s original
        intent, in light of the judgment of the Court of Appeal in Whakatohea Kotahitanga Waka
        (Edwards) & Ors v Te Kahui and Whakatohea Maori Trust Board & Ors [2023] NZCA 504.
        o Amend the Waitangi Tribunal legislation to refocus the scope, purpose, and nature of its
        inquiries back to the original intent of that legislation.
        o Conduct a comprehensive review of all legislation (except when it is related to, or
        substantive to, existing full and final Treaty settlements) that includes ‘The Principles of
        the Treaty of Waitangi” and replace all such references with specific words relating to the
        relevance and application of the Treaty, or repeal the references.
        
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        October 13, 2024 1:15pm
      - rouppe
        
        Seymour’s approach:
        1. If there is a referendum (and I accept that is unlikely due to Luxon), and
        2. It passes, then
        3. Any change to it is knowingly against the majority of voters
        
        Luxon’s and Peters’ approach
        1. Is an accommodation between two political parties that didn’t involve the citizenry.
        2. Ends in November 2026. Everything in that agreement then evaporates and means nothing.
        
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        October 13, 2024 1:45pm
      - Ghost
        
        And do you think labour care about going against the voters desires? The ardern government should show you that they will not care about a referendum result. Labour, Maori and greens government will not give a damn how you vote in a referendum on this.
        
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        October 13, 2024 1:55pm
      - rouppe
        
        This referendum would be binding, unlike most others.
        
        They will care more about going against the documented wishes of the voters than they will ignoring a now invisible accommodation between half a dozen politicians and lawyers.
        
        Just look at how they have (until now) slithered away from CGT
        
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        October 13, 2024 2:29pm
      - Ghost
        
        rouppe, do you know that means nothing? Labour do not have to follow the results of that. They aren’t blinded to those results.
        
        Any change to the law that results from a binding referendum is not protected from subsequent change or repeal by Parliament, unless that law, as amended, is entrenched as a reserved provision (see 52.4 and 38.13.2). Conversely, Parliament would not be prevented from enacting a proposed law change that failed to be passed through a binding referendum, unless the proposal affected legislation that was already entrenched.
        
        Chapter 52 – Referendums
        
        The government do not have the ability to entrench it. Labour can ignore it
        
        Labour will not care about going against it. Just as they won’t care about closing down charter schools when they get back in
        
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        October 13, 2024 4:23pm
      - rouppe
        
        Yes Ghost, of course I know that.
        
        My point is that it is more open to criticism when the law change is overturning the will of the people.
        
        [Mod – unnecessary]
        
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        October 13, 2024 4:41pm
      - Ghost
        
        Remind me again what labour thought about the will of the people with 3 waters. Labour, Greens, Maori, they don’t care about how you vote in this. If you think labour, Maori and greens are going to respect people’s wishes in such a vote, you’ve not being pay attention to those 3 parties.
        
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        October 13, 2024 5:11pm
      - rouppe
        
        Labour did not overturn a binding referendum to implement 3 waters. You’re reaching.
        
        I’m perfectly happy to accept your belief that the transient coalition agreement is better.
        
        Just accept that it is my opinion that changing legislation would be politically more problematic than ignoring a then evaporated coalition agreement.
        
        Why is that so difficult for you?
        
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        October 13, 2024 5:52pm
      - Ghost
        
        No, you’re just not listening. Labour when they get back in will get rid of charter schools. They will ignore any referendum on this and continue to carry out their plans. Labour do not, will not give a damn on the results of a referendum. If you think they will then you haven’t paid any attention to them. The only way things are going to change is to keep them out of government for a very long time. But if you think they will labour will honour it, we’ll damn, ive got several bridges to sell you
        
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        October 13, 2024 5:58pm
      - Ghost
        
        Let’s do a kiwiblog poll.
        
        Up vote if you think labour, Greens, Maori wont honour a referendum on Treaty principles
        
        Downvote if you think labour. Maori and greens will honour it
        
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        October 13, 2024 6:03pm
      - rouppe
        
        Ghost. Calm down. Take a breath. And take your own advice. Remember that this thread began over the Treaty Principles Bill. Bringing in all that other stuff is a diversion.
        
        I know that Labour, the Greens and the Maori Party will run roughshod over everything.
        
        My point is that, regarding the Treaty Principles, it is easier to change course once a temporary coalition agreement has evaporated, than if legislation had to be changed.
        
        If the Treaty Principles were implemented, unlikely as it is given Luxon’s rhetoric, then the new coalition has to change law, which should involve a select committee process, which allows for submissions, where they would have to sit and read all the submissions, listen to all the oral submissions.
        
        That is a much more uncomfortable exercise than overriding the transient, temporary, inconsequential coalition agreement between Nation and NZF.
        
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        October 13, 2024 6:11pm
      - rouppe
        
        Oh, a kiwiblog poll now.
        
        FFS Ghost, tell me where I said Labour would honour anything?
        
        I have simply said it is more difficult to do than over ride the coalition agreement.
        
        [Mod- deleted]
        
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        October 13, 2024 6:12pm
      - Ghost
        
        And I’ve said they will reverse what ever nz first and act achieve on this they will not care how the public votes. They will not care on the public submissions. I will go further and say the next labour government will be far worse than the previous with pushing nz towards a more maori centered country
        
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        October 13, 2024 6:20pm
      - rouppe
        
        And I’ve not disagreed with you that Labour will undo anything and everything.
        
        I’ve disagreed that the coalition deal approach, which is transient and evaporates in 2026, is, in your words, “a better deal”.
        
        More than one opinion on a matter is allowed in a democracy, Ghost
        
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        October 13, 2024 6:27pm
      - Ghost
        
        And is anyone stopping you having your opinion? No.
        
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        October 13, 2024 6:43pm
      - rouppe
        
        Then why are you arguing with mine so much?
        
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        October 13, 2024 6:47pm
      - Ghost
        
        I disagree with your nonsense is because you are wrong
        
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        October 13, 2024 7:07pm
      - rouppe
        
        So, you don’t actually believe other people can hold a differing opinion.
        
        Ah, Ghost. You really ought to reflect on where such a confused attitude is going to take you.
        
        Hint: it isn’t anywhere good.
        
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        October 13, 2024 7:44pm
      - Ghost
        
        That’s you saying that. You’re the one having a whinge that I don’t hold your view. You’re the one whinging because I disagree with your nonsense. Stop being so precious when someone doesn’t agree with you
        
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        October 13, 2024 8:14pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hipkins now says Māori did not see sovereignty, but as pm he did not think that, no wonder that fool is missing in action the last 6 weeks
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:31am
  - Damocles11
    
    He’s allowing Sepuloni to hog the spotlight. She is the next Labour leader, mark my words. She is a woman (‘Jacindamania redux’) and diverse = she is a shoo-in.
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:04pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Carmel will find that herstory repeats, the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.
      
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      October 13, 2024 12:33pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Hahahahaha
      
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      October 13, 2024 10:13pm
- SPC
  
  What Hipkins did was note learned opinion about the matter, not his own reckons.
  
  —- “It’s pretty clear that if you follow the various court rulings over time, if you follow all of the academic research, if you actually follow the Treaty settlement process, that the answer to that question is no” —-
  
  Then noted the current circumstance
  
  —- “That doesn’t mean that the Crown doesn’t have sovereignty now,” he added, “but Māori didn’t cede sovereignty in signing the Treaty.” —
  
  Misrepresenting his position to make aspersions about him, maybe allowed under free speech, but it is an Americanism.
  
  https//www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-mana-motuhake-former-labour-prime-minister-chris-hipkins-concedes-maori-did-not-cede-sovereignty-opinion/KCXJQTW7HFARDLE2BIHZN2SEKY/
  
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  October 13, 2024 2:22pm
  - Damocles11
    
    When the ‘learned opinion’ comes from the Waitangi Tribunal, which is stacked with revisionist Maori activists, it should dismissed outright as utter nonsense. The treasonous Hipkins did not do this, instead he states ‘Maori did not cede sovereignty’. He is seditious and a disgrace.
    
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    October 13, 2024 3:30pm
Mike

Happy International Day for Disaster Risk Reduction!
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October 13, 2024 8:02am
- cmm
  
  OK, I’ll bite.
  
  Government interference, and overreliance on government, are the major factors amplifying disaster risk.
  
  The best way to mitigate disaster risk is to reduce the amount of government centralisation. Depend on yourself as much as possible and the communities around you.
  
  In NZ that means having emergency supplies etc to be able to last at least 3 days.
  
  We’re certainly not preppers but we could last at least 2 weeks on the food, water and gas we have in the house without going out of the front door.
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:04am
  - Mike
    
    I’m proud of you for using this important date to reinforce a standard government message:
    https://getready.govt.nz/prepared/household
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:18am
- mandk
  
  The best way to reduce destruction is to never vote for socialists.
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:58am
- Ghost
  
  A good reminder to check emergency supplies.
  
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  October 13, 2024 12:07pm
artemisia

Herald today (paywalled) – The Government’s biggest challenge: Stop this epic brain drain – Liam Dann

Couple of excerpts –The nation is in the grip of the largest brain drain we’ve seen in decades. Probably. … I mean we don’t know for sure how intelligent the departing Kiwis are – the stats don’t make that clear. Sadly, those leaving are probably smart, well-qualified, employable young people who just don’t see opportunity in New Zealand right now. What the stats do tell us is that 81,200 Kiwis left these shores long-term in the year to August. In nominal terms, that’s probably the highest number of annual departures ever.

So taxpayers and their families current and future are leaving and unemployment numbers are rising. Sounds like a few Plan Bs are needed. Maybe up to 149 Plan Bs speeded up will help.
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October 13, 2024 8:07am
- Cassandra
  
  If you’ve got a usable skill why would you remain in NZ facing the prospect of a tribal government? Chief Modlik spelt it out. His type of tribal Maori wants Oklahoma reservations ruled by Maoris. His 50% German genes are apparently overwhelmed by his mother’s Polynesian ones. It’s a recipe for disaster – domestic violence and alcoholism persists in reservations and the main industry is casinos. No wonder there’s a brain drain, with Australia the main beneficiary.
  
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  October 13, 2024 8:14am
  - JamesP
    
    Blood and soil sounds vaguely Germanic to me.
    
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    October 13, 2024 9:08am
    - Jack5
      
      Plenty of German genes – and names – in NZ via Samoa, before 1914 a German colony.
      
      Also some NZ families Anglicised German surnames in World War 1 – Walters to Waters, etc. Some didn’t as in those of soldiers Kippenberger and Freyberg.
      
      Helmut Modlik’s father came to NZ with an Austrian contractor building state houses, but returned when Helmut was about six, leaving Helmut’s Maori mum with five kids.
      
      Helmut was raised and educated as a Mormon and served as a missionary in Melbourne.
      
      https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/10/09/the-man-who-debated-the-treaty-who-is-helmut-modlik/
      
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      October 13, 2024 11:25am
      - Mike
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoan_branch_of_the_Nazi_Party
        
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        October 13, 2024 1:19pm
  - pdm
    
    Cass – if my interpretation of what you are saying is correct then New Zealand is in danger of becoming:
    
    `A Town Like Alice’
    
    A place where, according to several SkyNews hosts, Albo and his Cabinet Ministers fear to tread.
    
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    October 13, 2024 9:20am
  - Damocles11
    
    If you are not making an exit strategy to get out of this place, where the establishment have betrayed and moreover vilified the decent hardworking people of this country, then God help you.
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:03am
    - Mike
      
      Bye
      
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      October 13, 2024 1:22pm
  - PurplePen
    
    “His type of tribal Maori wants Oklahoma reservations ruled by Maoris”.
    
    Is that necessarily a bad thing. It would shut them up and they can spend their time navel gazing. I’m assuming they would be self-funded. Good luck to them. I can’t see many maori flocking to a reservation which means they might just die a quiet death.
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:41pm
- kevn
  
  art… With people like robber running some important things in NZ, who’s is surprised…. Sadly.
  https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/otago-university-s-rankings-billion-economic-mistake-by-appointing-a-labour-party-vice-chancell
  
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  October 13, 2024 8:30am
  - Dougal10
    
    Otago also has the reverend clark and the green benefit fraud woman high up in its management, it will be completely on the back foot when it comes to government monies.
    
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    October 13, 2024 8:42am
  - Burtland
    
    DEI destroying another NZ institution …
    
    “Had Otago appointed an eminent medical doctor who was non-partisan to the VC job, then its arguments would have carried far more weight. When I worked at Imperial College London, which is dominated by its large medical school, much like Otago, that is exactly what it did. It appointed Sir Richard Sykes as Rector (the same as our VCs). He had been an eminent medical researcher and former CEO of Glaxo Smith Kline Beecham, a large pharmaceutical company.
    
    How did Sykes do?
    
    Imperial now ranks in the world top 10, above Yale & Berkeley, and just behind Cambridge & Princeton in The Times Higher Rankings, in which Otago fell to 350-400.” – Robert MacCulloch
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:09am
- Ipanema69
  
  All my kids are now in Australia working or studying.
  
  I personally hold Winston Raymond Peters responsible. He put the Silly Little Girl into power in 2017.
  
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  October 13, 2024 8:31am
  - Don Beckett
    
    3 out of 7 of my grand-children have moved to Australia over the past 3 years.
    
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    October 13, 2024 10:55am
    - Jack5
      
      An alternative view to Ipanema69’s view that Peters put Ardern into power …
      
      National and the rest of the Centre and Right then didn’t have a leader able to mould, lead and maintain a coalition. Chris Luxon has skill for this. Who will succeed him?
      
      New Zealanders voted in MMP in 1993. It took 30 years to get it working as good as it’s ever going to be, and it looks as though we’re stuck with it.
      
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      October 13, 2024 1:50pm
  - cmm
    
    No, I’d rather blame National and here is why.
    
    Politics goes in waves: Labour, National, Labour, National.
    
    We know Labour are going to stuff things up. We don’t rely on them to fix things.
    
    But we do rely on National to fix things up again, so that the cycles can continue.
    
    Of late, National are not doing that. They are just fiddling around the edges.
    
    The problem is not Labour messing things up, but National failing to fix things again.
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Anything radical from National could cost votes. That is all they think about and decisions made accordingly.
      
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      October 13, 2024 11:23am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        I’m not sure CMM is asking for anything radical. More like commonsensical. And if the Nats don’t harden up, they risk further defections to ACT and NZF.
        
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        October 13, 2024 11:48am
      - peterwn
        
        What should National be doing to help win the 2026 election, then? I am sure Chris Luxon would be delighted to have a realistic, sensible, coherent answer to this question.
        
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        October 13, 2024 12:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Peterwn, Luxon should get out of the bed he is in with Maori, but it is all touchy feely, he doesn’t want to upset them. He is scared of the activists even though he is one.
        
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        October 13, 2024 12:31pm
    - Mike
      
      This. It’s an enduring pattern of NZ politics for over 100 years. A reforming/change party (Liberal, then Labour) effects changes which are locked in by a succeeding conservative party (Reform, then National). On most issues there is an enduring bipartisan consensus.
      It was thought MMP might change this, but it is still largely intact. The fringe parties who have formed or supported governments (NZ First, Greens, United, ACT, TPM) have had little significant impact. There is little sign any of them could ever become a dominant political force.
      
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      October 13, 2024 11:31am
      - cmm
        
        I was not really expecting MMP to change that much because we haven’t changed the most fundamental part: the voter.
        
        Ultimately politicians and political parties are shaped by the voters. We have generations now comfortable with hand outs and “nanny knows best”. That is not going to change in a hurry.
        
        What we really see is that coalitions are made, then the politicians still effectively have what they had before and drive the bus the same way.
        
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        October 13, 2024 1:55pm
    - AitchW
      
      cmm did you expect that when the government changed the new government would wave a magic wand and 6 years of Ardern and Hipkins vandalism and sabotage would be undone?
      They have to fight fires caused by the unexploded land mines deliberately planted by A and H with the connivance of Robertson at the same time reversing the underlying damage while dealing with an openly hostile, truculent and resistant public service all the while seeing a deeply left wing media undermining and criticising them at every turn.
      Give the poor buggers a break!
      
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      October 13, 2024 2:24pm
  - Mod88
    
    If NZ had actually done MMP properly the 2017 Govt would never have happened.
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:00pm
    - Jack5
      
      What do you mean by properly? NZ’s MMP is based on Germany’s electoral system. Do the Germans have a different version?
      
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      October 13, 2024 1:26pm
      - gravedodger
        
        The German system has the “President in the chair running the negotiations following the return of the writs allowing the highest polling party to try and form a government. That can involve that winner to try and syphon support from the losers by any means.
        NZ system hands that power to a leader of a lesser party who can keep his team together as king maker , big difference.
        BTW the first time Peters was in that position his party disintegrated with a Maori caucus splitting to keep Shipley in the ninth floor.
        
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        October 13, 2024 5:59pm
    - pdm
      
      mod – I take it you mean by allowing the Party with the highest Popular (in NZ Party) Vote to form a Government.
      
      That convention (if it even existed) in NZ was broken in 2017 by a buy sell, tax and spend type negotiation abetted by Peters personal vendetta against Bill English and National.
      
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      October 13, 2024 2:11pm
      - AitchW
        
        We must never, ever forget that Peters is, in large part, responsible for the mess that the government, of which he is now a part, is endeavouring to clean up.
        The man is a self serving, populist opportunist. He does nothing that will not benefit him personally.
        Sadly his heir apparent, Shane Jones, is very similar. He blusters and huffs, he imagines himself to be a great orator but, at the end of the day Peters First will inevitably become Jones First. Another emperor with no clothes.
        
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        October 13, 2024 2:28pm
  - Taieri
    
    All my kids are now in Australia working or studying
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    Eh, Australia the Land of the Dreams…
    I get regular communication from an educational institution there that I graduated from.
    
    An email came yesterday, it ends with:
    “We acknowledge and pay respect to the traditional owners and custodians of the land on which the
    University of …….. campuses are located, and to their elders past, present and emerging”
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:01pm
    - PurplePen
      
      I went to a comedy review in a theatre on the outskirts of Melbourne earlier this year and that very announcement was made over speakers to the audience before the show started. Heard it also on a Qantas flight arriving in Oz. I thought .. oh lord .. it’s spread here as well.
      
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      October 13, 2024 12:52pm
    - Ghost
      
      I’m watching the summit USA, filmed in NZ, the American show started by welcoming the contestants to the land maori call Aotearoa, the rest know as New Zealand. Then went on to acknowledge and pay respect to the original people of this land.
      
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      October 13, 2024 1:01pm
    - Hollyfield
      
      Taieri, there are similar statements in NZ too.
      
      http://www.westfield.co.nz scroll to the bottom of the page.
      
      “We recognise the unique role of Māori as Tangata Whenua of Aotearoa/New Zealand.”
      
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      October 13, 2024 1:19pm
      - AitchW
        
        An Australian owned company covering its woke backside.
        
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        October 13, 2024 2:30pm
  - judith8409121
    
    yeah nah. the nz voters put that silly little girl in power during the great covid con – and there are still conned nzers who would vote for that party or vote nz into poverty by supporting those in the greens after all the abysmal behaviour of that cult party
    
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    October 13, 2024 8:10pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Do the stats identify those citizens with newly minted NZ passports?
  
  From observation I’ve seen a few recent arrivals depart these shores, either to Aus or back to their homelands
  
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  October 13, 2024 8:39am
  - ISeeRed
    
    How dare you. They are as Kiwi as Barry Crump and pavlova. They are us! Or were. Now they’re Aussies. Our country is a joke.
    
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    October 13, 2024 3:13pm
- Philview
  
  My concern is that media onslaught against the current government may seem them turfed out in 2026. Now any bad news is weaponised by the media rather than any objective analysis of how we got to this point.
  
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  October 13, 2024 9:03am
  - Damocles11
    
    Yet people here are still blithely funding the MSM through subscriptions, in full knowledge that what you are saying is true. Utterly disgraceful behaviour.
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:15am
  - AitchW
    
    Phil view not just bad news. TVNZ reporter tried to spin the drop in OCR as a being a consequence of the coalition’s mismanagement of the economy. Some very young reporter obviously still wallowing in the socialism drummed into her at journalism camp.
    
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    October 13, 2024 2:33pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Of course Liam will not have looked at MBIE stats that shows 230k people came back to NZ during COVID. Couldn’t possibly be that some of them are heading off again, could it? And anyway, what bright youngster would want to be here with devisive, race baiting opposition parties, a devisive race baiting media and higher learning institutions that promote devisive and in some instances, racist policies?
  
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  October 13, 2024 9:18am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    The divisive situation here is nowhere near as bad as the divisiveness in Oz due to radical Islamists.
    
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    October 13, 2024 10:12am
    - Damocles11
      
      I disagree. An erstwhile Maori ethno-state in the offing makes things here far worse. Don’t be an ostrich Chuck.
      
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      October 13, 2024 12:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If I was 40 I would be gone. There is some dam good money to be made for steel fabricators in Perth. Guys I worked with have done it. Dunno why they came back, family probably.
  
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  October 13, 2024 9:58am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Often people go and set a time frame to earn that big money, often to earn enough to buy a house, people are still close to families, but like you I would go if I was 40, and if it went well I would not return
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:37am
  - mogg
    
    I think that has been going on for a long time. In 1970 Perth based Steel Construction Co were desperate for skilled workers. I did two years in Port Hedland and made a fortune out of it.
    
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    October 13, 2024 1:18pm
- Terry Dalee
  
  Well, I’m in my forties and I’ve abandoned New Zealand after being born and raised here.
  I haven’t lived anywhere else but NZ.
  
  I hold professional licences that my vocation requires.
  I have instructor ratings as well.
  I’ve held technical and operational management, investigation roles within my industry.
  I’m in the top 5% decile of taxpayers.
  I also was a volunteer firefighter, where there was some overlap between my day job and my FENZ work. I had also done stints in Coastguard and urban search and rescue teams during my working career, as a volunteer.
  
  I moved to Australia because:
  – My skills are more valued in Australia. It became clear in COVID that NZ only valued my skills for fruit picking and tractor driving.
  – It’s becoming clear that in NZ, my value to NZ society is coming down to my ethnicity and where my ancestors came from. As you can probably guess, I’m not Maori in any way. It now affects daily life. There are places I can no longer fish recreationally because they’ve been made reserves except for iwi customary fishing rights.
  – There is no way I want my children growing up in the way NZ is going. It’s going like Malaysia was in the 1950 and to this day. Your ethnicity determines your opportunities in that country, hence why it’s biggest export is talent.
  Doing a “Treaty course” to indoctrinate” “white guilt” into society doesn’t make you a better doctor, engineer or lawyer. It makes the country into a smaller sadder navel gazing shell of itself, while the rest of the world moves on.
  – Have to mention the money as the icing on the cake, it was a 30% payrise and 11% super on-top.
  – More bang for buck. The cost of living is sightly less but almost the same, but you get more for your money in Australia.
  
  Many of my colleagues who I worked with in NZ prior to COVID have also left. The common observation was they all said that they wanted to stop “just existing” as they were in NZ and start living.
  The money was the attraction before and many were on the fence, this Treaty bullshit and inability to ever complete that Sisyphean task of settlement sealed the deal to leave.
  
  Another observation, by ramming Maori culture down everyone’s throats, did it occur to them that you end up encouraging racism rather than reducing it. Growing up in NZ, yes, I was accepting of Maori culture. Now, quite frankly, I hate it. I don’t care if that’s racist but I frankly hate it now, the haka and all the baggage that that culture brings. Maori culture has divided people more that it ever united… That perspective that has developed should be more than a clue as to what is wrong and is starting to develop in NZ.
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:34am
  - Damocles11
    
    Well said. Sadly, many are in denial and have their heads in the sand, thinking that a miracle will occur and somehow seemingly unstoppable dark forces will be magically reined it. It is cognitive dissonance and delusion.
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:09pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If I grow up alongside a culture whose members have happy, stable families; who excel in their professions; take little from the taxpayer, contribute to society; and do not force their non-English language on others, then I will want to learn their ways and be more like them.
    
    On the other hand…
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:30pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I hope you pop back often enough to keep your NZ voting right current; and then do the right thing when elections come along.
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:38pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Why? Most won’t be looking back. The Coalition have reversed all of the evil that Labour and the Left unleashed have they? You must be kidding.
      
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      October 13, 2024 12:45pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Most departing kiwis, especially those in their prime earning years, still have family here. Hopefully they will spare a thought for their Aged Ps, as well as those of us who share their political sentiments but who for any numbers of reasons are not in a position to move on.
        
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        October 13, 2024 4:04pm
    - Terry Dalee
      
      I will for the next election cycle, but after that, the plan is to get an Australian passport. I’m not sure about keeping the NZ one even though I can hold both. I’ll decide in 4 years.
      As for my children, they need Australian passports ASAP.
      
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      October 13, 2024 3:51pm
  - Cantabrian
    
    Well said, Terry. The enforced imposition of Maori culture – at the expense of the majority – has also turned me away from the country I loved for most of my 78 years. The culture cringe was demonstrated this morning at the Americas cup where a bunch of Ngati Whatua pranced around the Cup as it was being presented to an audience and then paddled a waka to lead the yacht out. To me it was the height of arrogance to address the audience in a language none of them would understand. I can’t think of any similar example of a sports team or other organization taking something like a native boat to the other side of the world and performing dances in this way.
    And who paid for the transport of the waka and the fates and accommodation for what looked like 30-40 people?
    
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    October 13, 2024 1:32pm
    - Ghost
      
      Team NZ sponsors paid for it
      
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      October 13, 2024 1:57pm
      - Quail
        
        How much taxpayer assistance have the “ Team NZ sponsors “received?
        Team NZ is one of the largest beneficiaries in NZ
        
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        October 14, 2024 8:28am
    - AitchW
      
      To be fair the spectacle plays well to an international audience unaware of the apartheid being pedalled (should that be paddled?) here by a tiny activist minority.
      
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      October 13, 2024 2:36pm
      - Jethrod
        
        Quite fun if you introduce the rest of the vowels in your contribution.
        
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        October 13, 2024 3:44pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Why oh why did Dann not worry when the brain drain started? People are not leaving because of this government, they are leaving because of the utter shambles left thanks to Queen Ardern who ran like a crying baby, now wants a sword around her head by Willie
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:35am
  - Dougal10
    
    People are leaving because the average NZer will vote the leftys back in at some stage , unless some moderates come through the labour party and take over the next time we have a labour led government it will make cindys one look centrist .
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:12pm
    - Damocles11
      
      I can’t see it happening, I can’t see that there are any moderate Labour MP’s to take that mob in a saner direction.
      
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      October 13, 2024 3:34pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    My daughter & son-in-law just returned from a 10 day holiday to the Sunshine Coast in Queensland. They own a successful pharmacy. Their older daughter is 21- just finished a medical degree at university, & the other is currently doing a psychology degree.
    They are considering moving to Oz when the younger daughter finishes her degree. My second son – a very successful builder is probably moving to Oz in about 2 years time – his oldest daughter has been there since 2023.
    My daughter says the whole family should move there – weather, money, opportunity without the degradation that NZ has been suffering for 7 years now, with no apparent radical change.
    My oldest son’s daughter has been living in Brisbane for 3 years, so he could move when his son finishes his engineering degree in 2 years .
    It’s a tempting thought. I lived in Oz for 10 years in the 1980’s & my 3 children grew into their teens there. The Oz govt already pays 30% of my super so there’s no issue with the pension.
    Decisions, decisions – but its up to the kids. If they go, we probably will to.
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:42pm
    - AitchW
      
      I do wonder though if Aus is a few years behind us in Aboriginal activism. We’re already seeing welcomes to country at the opening of an envelope and restrictive covenants placed on property to protect perceived Aboriginal claims and practices.
      
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      October 13, 2024 12:51pm
      - Terry Dalee
        
        Yes that it starting to appear in Australia. But the population voting against “The Voice” gives me far more hope that the average Australian understands that ethnic division is not the way forward.
        I have far more faith in the average Australian understanding that that the average New Zealander…
        
        “In Australia, there is no hierarchy of descents. There must be no privilege of origin … the commitment to Australia is the one thing needful to be a true Australian,” – Bob Hawke in 1988.
        
        What NZ Prime Minister has even said anything remotely of that meaning in a speech?
        
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        October 13, 2024 3:58pm
Yvette

University of Auckland
Chat AI – The Waipapa Taumata Rau core course at the University of Auckland is designed to introduce first-year undergraduate students to the foundational principles of Māori knowledge and ways of knowing, known as mātauranga Māori. This initiative reflects the university’s commitment to recognizing and embedding Māori perspectives within its curriculum, aligning with New Zealand’s Treaty of Waitangi obligations and promoting biculturalism.

Key Content of the Course: • Mātauranga Māori (Māori Knowledge Systems), • Te Tiriti o Waitangi (Treaty of Waitangi), • Tikanga (Māori Customs and Practices), • Te Reo Māori (Māori Language), and • Contemporary Māori Issues: The course also covers modern challenges faced by Māori communities, such as disparities in health, education, and socio-economic conditions, and how these issues relate to historical contexts of colonization and ongoing systemic inequities.

Relationship to University Study: This core course provides a context for university study by –
• Embedding Bicultural Competence: It encourages all students, regardless of background, to understand and appreciate New Zealand’s bicultural heritage. This cultural awareness is critical in a wide range of academic fields and professions.
• Promoting Inclusivity and Equity: The course reflects the university’s goal to create a more equitable educational environment where Māori knowledge is valued alongside other knowledge systems. It supports the academic success of Māori students by affirming their cultural identity within the institution.
• Interdisciplinary Relevance: The principles of mātauranga Māori are increasingly being incorporated into a variety of academic disciplines, including law, medicine, environmental science, and the arts. This course equips students with the cultural literacy necessary to engage meaningfully with these frameworks.
By establishing this foundation in the first year, the Waipapa Taumata Rau core course helps students appreciate the importance of Māori knowledge systems and their relevance to academic inquiry, while fostering a respectful and inclusive learning environment.

Removing references to the Treaty and so-called Principles from legislation, where they do not aptly apply, may be one step, but removing the above indoctrination from learning institutions, from primary school to the above, may be a little more difficult.

( … she said, with a slightly little more frustration )
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- rouppe
  
  So by referring to it as “core” does that mean compulsory?
  
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  October 13, 2024 10:31am
  - Yvette
    
    Yes
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:39am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “…New Zealand’s bicultural heritage…”
  
  This is an exclusionary stance. There is more to the New Zealand heritage than merely two cultures.
  
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  October 13, 2024 12:56pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    This is an exclusionary stance. There is more to the New Zealand heritage than merely two cultures.
    
    Indeed.
    
    And now some academics are finally realising the mess they’ve created by constantly dividing NZ citizens into them and us based on ancestry.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/525708/outdated-and-imprecise-why-it-s-time-we-retired-the-term-race-relations
    
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    October 13, 2024 3:22pm
Matt Long

Labour’s propaganda money laundering organisation, the aptly named Disinformation Project has ended, but we should not forget the links between Pinterest, White Supremacists and clean braided hair.
https://x.com/bobmccoskrienz/status/1845169417346482621
Perhaps the links between mental illness and progressive politics as well.
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October 13, 2024 8:09am
- Swifty
  
  Further information here:
  
  https://www.thedisinfoproject.org/
  
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  October 13, 2024 8:28am
- John Loveridge
  
  Thank goodness. Just a glancing read of their website’s front page is enough to spell out the treacherous ideological perspective they brought to everything they did.
  
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  October 13, 2024 9:30am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Maori ways of knowing? Knowing what? They were a stone age people. Anything they knew was dwarfed by the knowledge of the western and eastern world. The only thing they have to offer (and I use the word “offer” very loosely) is fairy tales about mystical beings, which aren’t particularly fascinating. I’d suggest the indoctrination will only last as long as the funding. Once Auckland gets into Otago’s position, there will be a good few getting the employment chop.
  
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  October 13, 2024 9:50am
  - Philview
    
    They certainly have a bit of talent for negotiating in recent times and weaponising guilt to cut a deal or gain influence.
    
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    October 13, 2024 1:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And who pled guilty to violence & assaults during the Rosie Parker debacle?
  
  Not the folks who went to listen to Posie Parker – -not those labelled as “genocidal” by Kate Hannah and co….
  
  but those activists who were opposed to Posie Parker’s presence:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/posie-parker-protest-activist-pleads-guilty-to-punching-elderly-woman-at-heated-auckland-trans-rights-protest/A5RG2HY2TJFLFKAP4OT7JLGIGU/
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/eli-rubashkyn-convicted-of-tomato-juice-assault-on-posie-parker-appeals-sentence-in-auckland-high-court/ZMW6J6V72ZC5XEJGMZZFBN4TUI/
  
  Clearly the folks in the Disinformation Project had no understanding of the capacity for violence amongst those who hold extremist views.
  
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  October 13, 2024 1:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“I think…”
“That is your problem, STOP IT!” Obama.

https://babylonbee.com/news/now-is-not-the-time-for-independent-thinking-obama-tells-black-trump-supporters?
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October 13, 2024 8:17am
- imalwaysright
  
  Obama sounded like a passive aggressive slave owner giving the boys the Sunday sermon.
  What a wanker.
  Here is some footage. His unintended self parody rivals the Babylon Bees.
  https://youtu.be/jbxi8LUlfaU?si=FnmBY9TJkLAGrfee
  
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  October 13, 2024 8:33am
Swifty

I just totally love this – New Zealanders helping New Zealanders and the government nowhere in sight:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/530508/country-life-hunters-supply-foodbanks-with-tonnes-of-wild-venison-mince

If I was in Canterbury I wouldn’t hesitate a minute in spending a few hours a week helping out.

Great stuff. My admiration to all involved.
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October 13, 2024 8:19am
- Colville
  
  The biggest hurdle for this happening is farmers who won’t allow access.
  Recently I approached a landowner who surrounds a small DOC reserve behind Napier.. Asked for permission to jump the fence to retrieve a animal if I shot one. I could walk in via the DOC land but of course the easy animals are eating the grass on the farm. Owner was very pleased for someone to get rid of them as they have 200 acres of native in QE2 covenant that was getting smashed BUT I had to ask the neighbour was leasing the land. Went and asked… No way. Saving it for family. So between the two farms he had 2000 acres.
  I saw 8 deer within 100 meters of the DOC boundary. Dose anyone think his family would go short of a deer?
  Really rips my undies!
  
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  October 13, 2024 10:12am
  - Swifty
    
    I totally understand. It’s a toughie with no easy answers.
    
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    October 13, 2024 10:33am
  - BananaLlama
    
    Not worth the hassle.
    You may be responsible but the moment that word gets out the area will be flooded with cowboys so the default setting for most landowners is no.
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:06am
  - All_on_Red
    
    You should bear in mind the words of Venison Recovery Pilot Dave Saxton (rumoured to be a persistent Poacher), “There are 3 million acres of bush in NZ, one for each person, and mine follows me wherever I go”
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:08am
    - Swifty
      
      Heh
      
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      October 13, 2024 11:16am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Since its a lazy Sunday here is some Video of Morgan Saxton, brother of Dave
      It will give you an idea of what they used to do
      RIP Morgan
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaSxqxTmV1Q
      
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      October 13, 2024 1:28pm
      - AitchW
        
        Aka Dave the Hat.
        
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        October 13, 2024 5:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That really is good to hear.
  How long before the rule book comes out and “We’re from the Govt and here to help”?
  They will. It is guaranteed, even though the meat is not actually being sold.
  The food standards people and Health and Safety can’t help themselves.
  
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  October 13, 2024 10:52am
  - Swifty
    
    Yes, that’s my worry, that government people (local or national) muscle in with safety as their excuse and wreck it for everybody.
    
    And then, following a big public outcry, set up an alternative with them at the core and costing ratepayers or taxpayers vast sums for what was once done completely voluntary and at no public expense.
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      As I said, they can’t help themselves. Must interfere.
      Regulations cost dollars and guess who pays.
      Sadly I see it as coming to a grinding halt, then those in need miss out.
      
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      October 13, 2024 11:29am
  - Colville
    
    Here they are running courses to teach people how to butcher a deer efficiently.
    All animals are shot by professional hunters and are in a chiller within 12 hours and maf checked.
    Animals are gutted leaving heart lungs and liver, head on. So no desease and not stolen animals. All done for a good reason.
    
    Problem is that post cyclone Gabriel there are thousands of escapee animals in the wild that have had tags in their ears so they can not be harvested legally.
    
    I may have run into one such recently.. I wasn’t looking at his ears when I pulled the trigger! 🤣
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:01pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I presume you mean it’s a good thing that government are not involved.
  
  I thought the butter bean crap on tv was a vulgar suggestion for money from government to change Lette’s mind. If Ardern was here she would simply hand money over , millions
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:43am
Yvette

GORE DISTRICT COUNCIL
PROPOSED DISTRICT PLAN PROVISIONS
SITES AND AREAS OF SIGNIFICANCE TO MĀORI – SASM
Overview
To ask how significant a specific site or area is for Ngāi Tahu whānui is a meaningless and redundant question. All landscapes and elements of the natural environment are significant, given that within a Ngāi Tahu worldview all landscapes hold stories, histories, and whakapapa links to atua Māori (deities). For this reason, no specific sites or areas of ‘significance’ to Māori are singled out and listed within the Gore District Plan, as this implies that non-listed sites and areas are places that Ngāi Tahu do not hold a relationship with. Instead, all lands, waters, and natural features within Gore District are recognised as culturally significant to Ngai Tahu whānui – just at different intensities and for varied reasons. These reasons could include Māori concepts such as mana, tapu or mauri; relationships with Ngāi Tahu deities or creation narratives, historic events or cultural practices, sites recognised as part of the Ngāi Tahu Claims Settlement Act 1998, or contemporary Māori expressions of rangatiratanga or kaitiakitanga. …

Objectives
SASM-O1 All land, waterbodies, natural features, and marae within Gore District are recognised as sites and areas of cultural significance to mana whenua and/or tangata whenua, and are afforded appropriate considerations in relation to their management, development, and use. …
https://lets.talk.goredc.govt.nz/full-proposed-district-plan
Historical & Cultural Values > Sites and Areas of Significance to Māori.pdf

First they have come for Gore, then they come for the entire Te Waipounamu
Then they’ll come for Te Ika-a-Māui to complete the set.

Perhaps we need legislation that says something like –
• The New Zealand Government will honour all New Zealanders in the chieftainship of their land and all their property
https://www.treaty.nz
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October 13, 2024 8:23am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I am sure they do not have the right to do this as it looks, I would be very surprised if this is left to stand. Did the previous governments He Pua Pua not get binned? I just can not see how council can force this on nzers without government say so
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:47am
imalwaysright

This is taking the piss.
Housing Corp building $1,700,000 apartments for tenants.
What’s the bet no one gets sacked?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/12m-per-apartment-new-kainga-ora-apartments-part-of-billion-dollar-scandal-developer-says/A5AL7FM7CJC3ZIYNW4VCWOPCXM/
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October 13, 2024 9:04am
- pdm
  
  You should see the Kohanga Reo (or similar immersion) School built on Bennett Road Hastings – completed late 2023 or maybe early this year.
  
  According to staff at a business neighbour we buy from every couple of weeks it has every luxurious bell and whistle known to mankind.
  
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  October 13, 2024 10:21am
- rouppe
  
  Were these the “container”ones that were getting bad coverage a couple months ago?
  
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  October 13, 2024 10:40am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think you mean Kàinga Ora. The Housing Corporation of New Zealand was wound up several years ago.
  
  Of course nobody will be sacked. They have been building homes to the specifications approved by the last government. It was all funded by debt. All draw downs of debt were approved by the Minister of Finance and the Housing Minister.
  
  In other words the development in question was a direct result of government directives.
  
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  October 13, 2024 10:54am
  - Burtland
    
    “Kāinga Ora has actively stepped into the global green building movement by committing all its new homes will be built to 6 Homestar standard.”
    
    This exceeds the Building Code – the Councils are doing it as well – Woods and Poto splashing someone else’s cash
    
    https://kaingaora.govt.nz/en_NZ/news/healthier-homes-under-homestar/
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:24am
  - Colville
    
    Housing Corportion is the name on tens of thousands of New Zealand homes.
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:04pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think several of the KO staff have been sacked.
  
  I am led to believe this venture is neighbouring a friends place in New Plymouth, she has been outraged from the beginning, and it cemented her not voting Labour, she tells me it has beautiful sea views and also rive bank views upstairs, she was out raged because the two stories would take her views away
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Cheating, more of it.
Non-citizens removed from the voting roll and Harris wants them back on.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/cheating-trump-rages-that-unamerican-harris-is-behind-feds-voting-rights-lawsuit/ar-AA1s7QOo?
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October 13, 2024 9:05am
- David Garrett
  
  I know I am going to regret this…I doubt anyone on here has enough knowledge about American electoral systems – there are 51 of them – to usefully comment, much less work out the objective reality from the propaganda spouted by both sides.
  
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  October 13, 2024 10:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All the google machine gives me is 50 States and DC (District of Columbia)
    Same on Duckduckgo.
    
    https://apnews.com/article/explain-us-vote-51-elections-dc-a481f4ce83645e603c59b5e0493dfcd4
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:06am
  - cmm
    
    DG: As a lawyer you will know this.
    
    There is the law.
    Then there is what happens on the ground.
    They are not the same.
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:13am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The words have been uttered from Harris mouth for a long time, she wants all these illegal scum that have poured through her border czarness to vote, why do you think that is?
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:54am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Why? So Obama can have his 4th term.
      
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      October 13, 2024 12:37pm
  - AitchW
    
    Have to say that I agree David. In American politics it appears that there are two camps: ‘Orange man bad’ and ‘Harris is a cackling slut’ and ne’er the twain shall meet.
    We are heading the same way, only it appears that our politics are divided on racial lines.
    Apartheid South Africa anyone?
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:27pm
Keith White

A massive UK study, led by Oxford University’s Professor Colm D Andrews and involving 1.7 million children has found that heart damage, specifically myocarditis and pericarditis, only occurred in children who received COVID mRNA vaccines.

According to the study, “Zero cases of myocarditis or pericarditis were found in the unvaccinated group” and “despite widespread vaccination efforts, the virus did not put children at risk of death or the need for emergency care, hospitalization, or critical care.”

The study also found that COVID-19 vaccines offered little long-term protection, as many children caught the virus just 14 to 15 weeks after getting the shot.
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October 13, 2024 10:07am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  This study? The one that its own author said was being misrepresented as showing something that it did not in fact show?
  
  https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/covid-study-misrepresented-in-misleading-heart-inflammation-claim/
  
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  October 13, 2024 10:31am
  - imalwaysright
    
    The fact checker team are 13 journalists and a writer.
    I would doubt that any of them would be able to assess the veracity of this report.
    Also, it is a stretch of imagination to think that journalists would be the right people to pass judgement upon something that would contradict the propaganda they have been instrumental in spreading.
    
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    October 13, 2024 4:32pm
- David Garrett
  
  Keith: You posted this yesterday…what exactly are you trying to achieve? Many of us – me included – had our teenage and younger kids vaccinated because we were convinced at the time that it was the prudent thing to do. It now appears that that may very well not have been the case. But if there is damage, the damage has been done. We can’t go back in time and make a different decision.
  
  And if your response is that you are trying to convince people not to have any more shots? We all have more than enough information now to make well informed choices. To me, all posts like urs achieve is to make people worry – or perhaps guilty for the choices We made a few years back.
  
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  October 13, 2024 10:53am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    David there was no damage done. Childhood vaccines saved maybe 200 million lives of children in the 20th century.
    
    The COVID vaccines certainly saved millions of lives. Millions more died and suffered because they fell for vaccine conspiracy theories.
    
    I cannot understand why people prefer to contract COVID than to get vaccinated.
    
    Sadly there are folk who are beyond being reasoned with…
    
    Jehovas Witnesses.
    
    Anti vaxxers.
    
    Climate change deniers.
    
    Homeopathy believers.
    
    Trans and gender activists.
    
    Creationists.
    
    Moon landing deniers….
    
    …. Of course it has been this way throughout history. All the way back to Galileo, the inquisition, and belief in witches.
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:05am
    - David Garrett
      
      Bene: I am with you re that list – with one possible exception: if you are referring to denying anthropogenic climate change, then I am probably a “denier”; I am certainly agnostic on the issue.
      
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      October 13, 2024 11:39am
    - Taieri
      
      Sadly there are folk who are beyond being reasoned with…
      ———–
      
      Anyone else you forgot? May be Greta…?
      
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      October 13, 2024 12:05pm
    - Pavel
      
      “I cannot understand why people prefer to contract COVID than to get vaccinated”
      I am unvaccinated, 43, a little overweight and smoke no less than 30 cigarettes a day. I have had covid twice now and it is really no big deal. In reply to your question, I cannot understand why people prefer to get vaccinated than to contract covid and recover naturally. I know many people, from toddlers to 77 years old, who are not vaccinated and not a single one was hospitalized or had any severe problem with it. The reason you don’t understand is because being vaccinated you will never know.
      
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      October 13, 2024 12:22pm
      - SPC
        
        We had secure borders to prevent infection. Then we vaccinated while delta was the variant so we could open up borders. Most/many of the people vaccinated would not have bothered, if it had only been omicron.
        
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        October 13, 2024 1:53pm
      - Inandout
        
        Pavel, let us not forget those 100 or so up North in 2020 who happily attended a tangi and of course as far as we know survived. How anyone could blindly accept what Ardern/Pfizer espoused daily on radio and TV as being ‘the only source of truth’ amazes me.
        
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        October 13, 2024 2:37pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Ben Yu – you like to think you are rational but the evidence is to the contrary. While a man of older years such as yourself may believe the Covid mRNA treatment is the right thing for you, your projection then that it should be given to young men who it disproportionally adversely impacts with myocarditis and pericarditis is irrational. The evidence shows that the vaccine has different risk and benefit most heavily biased by age. Your inference that all people who don’t take the treatment are anti-vaxxers and therefore are stupid, unreasonable people is flawed.
      
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      October 13, 2024 3:16pm
    - Fender
      
      “I cannot understand why people prefer to contract COVID than to get vaccinated.”
      this surely wasn’t supposed to sound as it reads?
      thats a jacinda level claim
      like you have a choice?, your saying the vaccinated don’t get covid, thats laughable,
      
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      October 13, 2024 5:31pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    DG – Firstly, all the best to you and your family.
    
    I understand people don’t want to worry that a choice they made has potentially bad repercussions for their children. However, if that has occurred then hiding one’s head in the sand isn’t really an answer. Shouldnt we be looking at what led to that harm, who we need to hold accountable for the harm, and how we prevent the same or similar types of harm from occurring in the future?
    
    A simple question for our government and ministry of health at the time, is simply why weren’t people encouraged to “know their risk” at the time vaccines were first rolled out? I was pointed on KB to the Oxford University website which required quite a lot of your details then provided a possibility of hospitalisation and death from Covid. By the stage we had the vaccine they had been through four waves of covid and data from a much bigger population than ours. The probability from this data for anyone under 19 was so low the calculator stopped as soon as the age was put in. As a parent making the choice for your child isn’t it disgusting that your medical professional probably wasn’t aware of this website or if they knew of it didn’t show it to you?
    
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    October 13, 2024 2:52pm
MCōs

Did the Mayor of Christchurch, Mr Phil Mauger, say on Q & A that 25% of their revenue was spent on servicing debt?
No wonder rates are high.
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October 13, 2024 10:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  In 2024/25 debt servicing costs are 27.8 percent of council revenue.
  
  https://www.ccc.govt.nz/assets/Documents/The-Council/Plans-Strategies-Policies-Bylaws/Plans/Long-Term-Plan/LTP-2024-2034/Financial-Overview-Draft-LTP-2024-34.pdf
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:11am
  - Swifty
    
    Anyone with any idea as to what is regarded as a prudent level of debt servicing as a proportion of council revenue?
    
    Over a quarter sounds like a massive proportion to me. I might have thought around 10% or so would be my ceiling – maybe a bit more for short periods and in very special circumstances.
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:20am
  - cmm
    
    Thanks for that link BY
    
    That would at least seem to cover some debt repayment which is a good thing.
    
    “Salaries & Wages have increased ($24.9 million, 10.8%)”
    Hmmm. How many ratepayers got a 10.8% raise I wonder? I sure didn’t.
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:29am
- cmm
  
  … but there is still money to piss away millions on vanity projects like cycleways and walking paths.
  
  Yesterday I walked along the new pathway (about a year since it opened) from Sumner to Redcliffs. Hugely expensive. IIRC it was budgeted at $18M but they likely blew that.
  
  There are lots of fancy concrete etchings etc and artistic details which serve no useful function and will be prone to damage.
  
  The wooden safety barrier is backed with un-galvanized steel. It is already showing severe rusting and, I expect, will fail within 5 years.
  
  So yet again, a vanity project with lots of money spent on the frilly bits and little spent on getting the basics right.
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:19am
  - Burtland
    
    Te Ara Ihutai – it even has is own website FFS – maybe its a person too?
    
    https://www.ccp.org.nz/
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:35am
- MCōs
  
  He also inferred the downward trend of the OCR will bring that number down as you’d expect.
  
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  October 13, 2024 5:09pm
Keith White

Australia’s iron ore capital Port Hedland is sending a written warning to all health practitioners within its boundaries about the dangers of the covid gene-vaccines and is calling for their immediate suspension on safety grounds after DNA contamination was again found in the products.

Councillor Adrian McRae told Letters From Australia that five out of eight council members had already been injured by the products in 2022, one suffering blood clots and myocarditis.
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October 13, 2024 10:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  What is a “gene vaccine”?
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The Councillor in question is a well known conspiracy theorist and fan of Vladimir Putin.
  
  https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-councillor-doubles-down-on-support-for-russian-election-20240402-p5fgr8.html
  
  I am sure that the medical practitioners of the region will ignore him. Or laugh.
  
  Do you honestly believe this rubbish or are you trolling?
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:17am
- cmm
  
  All vaccines, mRNA or not, are to some extent “gene vaccines” and have DNA in them – be those smallpox, polio, MMR or covid.
  
  Whether or not the covid vaccines are causing problems is not because of DNA per se. If it is happening then it is due to some other factor (eg. a reaction to the mRNA mechanism itself).
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Allergic reactions
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:03pm
    - cmm
      
      That could well be.
      
      Many people have allergies to drugs and various chemicals, be that iodine, penicillin or sulphur drugs.
      
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      October 13, 2024 1:59pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Oh ffs, why have I not seen or heard one person in my circles: family, friends and work mates, even friends of this group not one person with the slightest said vax injury, yes e have heard of a couple of cases, but that happens with anyone with an allergic reaction
  
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  October 13, 2024 12:02pm
Yvette

• The New Zealand Government has the right to govern all New Zealanders
• The New Zealand Government will honour all New Zealanders in the [legal ownership] of their land and all their property
• All New Zealanders are equal under the law with the same rights and duties

See what is done here?
All reference to the Treaty and its ‘Principles’ are removed from the proposed Treaty Principles Bill, as with all other legislation where Treaty and its ‘Principles’ are actually irrelevant.

The utter inability to reasonably translate the precise sense of the Treaty – so that two consecutive Prime Ministers hold entirely opposite views (over of sovereignty) – may be the origin of questioning legitimacy of Government, but does not need to be part of correcting the situation which now exists.

So, without the Treaty in the bill, would Luxon still oppose its passing?
Will the Greens stop navel gazing long enough to see the big picture?
Will Winston realise his stance “that the Treaty has no principles any case” is not an argument without the Treaty?
Would Labour see it still-born?
And would even the race-based Maori Party realise race could be removed from this and it is then just a black and white decision?

Alas the bloody Treaty will be in the bill and the shambles will continue.
And the Land of the Long White Cloud may as well be the Land of the Long Black Cloud.

( I see outside it is starting to cloud over already – again )
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October 13, 2024 10:28am
FrankC

The primary UNIFIL mission was to ensure south Lebanon was cleared of hizbollah terrorists and assist the Lebanese military to ensure it stayed that way. It’s pretty clear that they have totally failed. It’s time for them to get out of the way and let Israel do the job that UNIFIL and the Lebanese failed to do.
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October 13, 2024 10:33am
- Southern Raider
  
  If the Lebanese Govt had any sense they would do a pincher movement with Israel and eradicate Hezbollah forever. Unfortunately don’t think they are too smart.
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:11am
  - Mike
    
    Lebanon probably had a good chance of retaining its prosperous and cosmopolitan culture after WWII, had it not been for the establishment of Israel and the consequent expulsion of Palestinians.
    
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    October 13, 2024 4:33pm
    - Geri Sjovik
      
      The Palestinians, by which you actually mean the Jordanian and Egyptian arabs, went to Jordan.
      
      It was when they established their own nation within a nation and started a war with the rest of Jordan that they were killed in large numbers (with Pakistani help). They were expelled to Lebanon and totally screwed over that country.
      
      And one thing that is not widely reported in the pro-terrorist western media are the celebrations by the Syrians when Israel nailed Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader who was responsibile for massacres of civilians.
      
      The Lebanese ‘government’ and troops are probably too terrified of the Hezbollan reprisals to take any action against them.
      
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      October 13, 2024 6:06pm
  - MCōs
    
    I’m not familiar enough with the situation to say for certain, but I’m guessing it’s about as possible as the authorities here eradicating the gangs.
    
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    October 13, 2024 5:17pm
    - Mike
      
      Southern Raiders plan would see Israel pursue ever-widening operations in neighboring countries, creating more committed enemies and longerfrontiers to defend. To Netanyahu, however, that might be better than him going to jail.
      
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      October 13, 2024 6:37pm
- Mike
  
  UNIFIL was created before Hezbollah was founded.
  
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  October 13, 2024 4:29pm
  - Geri Sjovik
    
    That’s a disingenous claim.
    
    Hezbollah officially announced their existence in 1982. They had been in covert existence long before that. And were very busy committing atrocities all that time.
    
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    October 13, 2024 7:56pm
greenfinger

Robertson, Ardern and Hipkins should be ashamed for the debt legacy they have left NZ with! These three are still dining out on taxpayers hard earned money! Ardern should give all the money she got from Melinda Gates Foundation back to NZ taxpayers.
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October 13, 2024 11:01am
- AitchW
  
  And yet, despite the mountain of evidence proving that she was an economic vandal if not saboteur, Ardern is still commanding USD 200k for an after dinner speech to adoring acolytes.
  Jesus wept. I wonder if any of them think about the content of her speech and wonder what they spent their money on?
  When will the world see that the Empress has no clothes?
  
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  October 13, 2024 12:33pm
- Burtland
  
  the empty tank seems to have got filled up with US$
  
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  October 13, 2024 4:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

For D.G.

Hi David,
Yesterday I forgot to mention this very good (near brilliant) novel that is centred around Somerset Maugham’s short story & Play “The Letter”.

It’s ” The House of Doors” by the Malaysian novelist Tan Twan Eng.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/11/the-house-of-doors-by-tan-twan-eng-review-tragedy-in-the-tropics

Definitely the best novel I’ve read this year.
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October 13, 2024 11:13am
- David Garrett
  
  Mags: thank you. Have you seen the movie of The Letter? It’s very good (Bette Davis as the adulterous wife) and sticks very closely to the short story upon which it is based.
  
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  October 13, 2024 11:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I must have…. can’t remember when & where tho’, but when reading ‘The House of Doors”, lots of events seem familiar… perhaps that’s partly because I’ve been to Penang and I’ve read a fair bit of Maugham.
    
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    October 13, 2024 11:44am
Scooter

This further confirms what a joke and a fraud Jacinda Ardern is, that she won’t (or can’t for fear of probable backlash) even return to NZ to receive her damehood, instead she will go to Windsor Castle and be presented it by Prince William. She should be made to return to NZ to face the citizens who she so called worked so hard for to receive this award. Instead she will jet off to Windsor and play dress up in front of Prince William. Ardern is to NZ what Marie Antoinette was to France.

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/10/dtnz-ardern-to-receive-damehood-at.html?m=1
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October 13, 2024 12:02pm
- AitchW
  
  I wonder if anyone here has heard or read any of her 200k speeches? I’d be interested to read one or two.
  
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  October 13, 2024 12:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She should be made to return to NZ to face the citizens who she so called worked so hard for to receive this award.
  
  Grief no, no, no…
  
  Then the bluddy event will dominate our airwaves and women’s ragazines for days.
  
  Let it all happen 12,000 miles away and our media folk will have to be content with someone else’s blurry phone video-clip to post.
  
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  October 13, 2024 12:50pm
  - AitchW
    
    It appears that the governor general which Ardern herself appointed is now not good enough to invest her. Or maybe nobody will lend her their private jet to come down here. God forbid that our sainted ex-PM fly in with the hoipolloi.
    Or pay her own way.
    
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    October 13, 2024 12:59pm
  - Taieri
    
    Grief no, no, no…
    ———–
    
    How sad, your don’t even attempt to conceal your misogyny.
    
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    October 13, 2024 1:20pm
    - Swifty
      
      Are you being sarcastic Taieri?
      
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      October 13, 2024 3:14pm
      - Taieri
        
        Should be pretty obvious…
        
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        October 13, 2024 6:07pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Even sadder, there’s no Disinformation Project now to note my rabid comment or publish a paper on the plebian views of little old ladies.
      
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      October 13, 2024 3:33pm
      - Taieri
        
        I’m so grossly disappointed that with the DP demise there’s no one left to stop me from being dis-informed. Hopefully, Comrade Hipkins will think of something. He’s back from the UK, full of (not so) fresh ideas…
        
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        October 13, 2024 3:41pm
  - Scooter
    
    I disagree, by her going to the UK she will face a very easy press if any. Like her recent trips to Italy, Bologna and Venice to receive non descript so called “awards” if she came back to NZ I expect a very serious criticism at least by some media (IE non MSM) and more importantly the public.
    
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    October 13, 2024 1:45pm
    - cmm
      
      She can even have a cry in a local UK gossip mag.
      
      “I saved NZ, but now they turned their backs on me!”
      
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      October 13, 2024 2:01pm
Notsofast

Ro Edge addresses the New Zealand First conference after being introduced by Tanya Unkovich.

New Zealand First and Jill Ovens’ Women’s Rights Party stand alone in the political landscape in having the interests of female children, teenagers and adults in their sights.
The disgraceful neglect by National, Act, Labour, Greens, and Maori parties is all the more stark.

From minute 13

https://www.youtube.com/live/mNgOx4PbEzQ?si=GgoguOe3Kx3cLBXV
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October 13, 2024 12:17pm
Swifty

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/jayden-popata-jailed-for-prison-escape-stabbing-and-violent-bar-robbery-in-pt-chevalier-auckland/FHM6QMAIT5HA5HKEWJERM5VPOA/

1. The ultimate cause of this person’s disgraceful behaviour is the sub-culture which has developed entirely the result of the welfare state. Where people are incentivised to have children they can’t and don’t want or care for, and with fathers totally insulated from their responsibilities as fathers by a state who has taken over their role. Where large propositions of our kids grow up in single-parent families, a complete turnaround from just 50 or 60 years ago.

2. What a pathetic sentence. Firearm-enabled crime should result in double digit sentences. I thought we were going to crack down on this stuff? Ardern promised us we’d be safer as a result of her gun law overhaul. Another empty promise. All she did was to criminalise the law-abiding owners – the crims can just carry on as usual.
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October 13, 2024 1:49pm
- Swifty
  
  Oh look, gun crime on the rise with only a tiny proportion of those crimes committed by people with firearms licenses.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530601/gun-crime-on-the-rise-in-auckland-majority-of-offences-involve-illegally-owned-firearms
  
  This is the opposite of what Ardern and Labour promised us in return for confiscating legally-held firearms from law-abiding owners and at massive cost to taxpayers.
  
  Thanks for nothing Labour! You were told this would be the outcome but you went ahead anyway – for cheap political points subsequent to the CHC tragedy – the perpetrator of which was awarded his license and permission to obtain firearms and ammunition from state agencies!
  
  National, get to it. Your continued leadership depends on getting on top of this stuff – otherwise it’ll be one of the major reasons you will be chucked out.
  
  Locking up offenders who use firearms in their crimes for lengthier sentences would be a good and essential start. At least then they can do no continued harm and it will cause others to rethink their priorities.
  
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  October 13, 2024 3:59pm
  - MCōs
    
    Changes to the gun laws were supported by everyone in parliament except David Seymour as I recall.
    Your memory might be different
    
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    October 13, 2024 5:28pm
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      So?
      
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      October 13, 2024 9:08pm
    - Jack5
      
      David Seymour wanted firearm law changes reviewed by a Parliamentary committee. A reasonable, standard course for any major law revision.
      
      He was obviously put under huge pressure, probably from National, as well as from Leftist-Woke news media in Ardern’s thrall.
      
      Seymour’s one vote against would have ensured the changes were considered by a committee. Seymour was outside the chamber when the vote was taken.
      
      Many of us suspect this was a cave-in after a brave lone stand, and was likely caused by pressure from outside ACT.
      
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      October 13, 2024 9:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The client list.
Oh boy, I did not fact check this. Others can….

https://politicalactionalerts.com/musk-suggests-kamala-harris-supported-by-billionaires-linked-to-epstein/?
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October 13, 2024 5:24pm
- Mike
  
  Elmo says lots of things, some of which may be true.
  
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  October 13, 2024 6:32pm
- Ghost
  
  What would be worse, the client list or those at freak off parties?
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/did-donald-trump-attend-sean-combs-freak-off-parties-dancer-who-accused-diddy-says/ar-AA1rIeDn?ocid=BingNewsSerp
  
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