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kowtow

Inflation’s under control …….yeah right.
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October 10, 2024 8:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  We find out next week, and they are suggesting low 2%, are you suggesting that’s lies? Or are you meaning things like insurance and rates that are not in the basket that makes up inflation?
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:35am
- Bobba Fret
  
  As at 17th July it was 3.3%. Announcement next week (16th) and it is likely to have reduced.
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:42am
Cassandra

You’d have to wonder if Churchill was actually right when he said complimentary things about democracy. Michigan has lots of Arab voters. They gave Biden the edge. Now they’ve deserted Harris because of her policy towards Israel (which is the same as Biden’s). 18% are voting for Trump (a strong supporter of Israel) and 40% for the Green candidate, effectively a vote for Trump and likely to give him the state and the election. Democracy is as Churchill said but it does depend on voters having a few clues.
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October 10, 2024 8:04am
- Inandout
  
  Cass, maybe Arabs look at Tampon Tim and his extreme views on sexual matters and regard this as anti their religion.
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:11am
  - AitchW
    
    Tut tut Inandout, I believe that you mean ‘gender matters’. Gender and sex aren’t the same in this brave new world in which we now live.
    Ugh. What have we become?
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:13am
- cmm
  
  Democracy of the form Churchill was talking about didn’t really have a huge welfare system thrown into the mix.
  
  Yes, there was unemployment insurance since the 1920s or so and there was the Beveridge Report in 1942 which suggested building a welfare system.
  
  Churchill was opposed to that, but Labour promised all the bells and whistles of the Beveridge plan and that is essentially what bought them the 1945 election.
  
  Of course, at that stage welfare had not become the inter-generational problem it is now.
  
  When people can vote for others to pay for things they want it really isn’t democracy any more – well not of the form Churchill was really talking about.
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:17am
- cmm
  
  I think it is important to view those Arabs as individuals rather than just as a voting bloc.
  
  Some of those Arabs will be anti-Israel/pro-Hamas.
  
  Some will be people who left the region and moved to USA because they wanted to move to a new country to get away from that mess. They really are “new Americans” looking for an opportunity to step away from their past.
  
  I would expect to see a lot of Trump support in the latter group. They don’t want to be overrun by illegals and the other joys offered by Harris.
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:32am
cmm

Who would want to travel on a bus – let alone drive one?

I used buses a few times when I lived in Auckland in the 1990s. The behaviour was bad enough then: youth drawing graffiti on the bus, deliberately damaging seats etc etc. At least then the drivers still had a bit of authority.

Now drivers are told to not argue with passengers and let them do what they want.

Are buses going to need security personnel?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bus-attack-driver-of-20-years-feels-unsafe-after-unprovoked-neck-slashing-by-passenger/Q2JKELATABH5TPWAXBCFVXME7M/
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October 10, 2024 8:08am
- MCōs
  
  I saw some guys get into a half hearted argument with a woman driver in 2012 near Silvia Park, but she soon sorted them out.
  I also encountered an English woman pensioner shouting racist insults at a driver in Wellington c1975 because he wouldn’t give her a discount. I told her to shut up. She did.
  Apart from that — nothing
  Guess I must have been lucky all these years.
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:30am
  - cmm
    
    I traveled out to St Heliers which, you would hope, is civilized. But that bus did continue to Glen Innes. Maybe still does.
    
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    October 10, 2024 8:35am
  - Taieri
    
    an English woman pensioner shouting racist insults at a driver in Wellington c1975
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    What a great memory!
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:14am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Yes. And he dredges that up every time someone posts about anti-white discrimination or bigotry by non-whites, the media, academia, government policy etc. We must be reminded white people can be racist at every opportunity.
      
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      October 10, 2024 9:49am
      - MCōs
        
        We you get to my age there’s a tendency to repeat oneself
        
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        October 10, 2024 10:22am
    - MCōs
      
      It was so unusual it kind of sticks in you memory that sort of thing
      
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      October 10, 2024 10:18am
    - Jethrod
      
      May have been his wife to be?
      
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      October 10, 2024 10:24am
      - MCōs
        
        You can ask me if you like
        Don’t be shy
        I’m right here
        
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        October 10, 2024 11:12am
- AitchW
  
  Yet another attack on an Auckland bus driver. When will they union demand safety screens for drivers? If it’s going to take years to fit permanent screens to the busses why can they not put temporary screens up, after all shops ann over the country did it for covid!
  Why is Worksafe not prosecuting the operator for not providing a safe work environment? Is the operator too big for Worksafe to tackle?
  The drivers would be quite entitled to refuse to drive busses without a screen. Again, where is the union?
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:09am
  - Surely Knott
    
    If the bus isn’t safe for the driver without a screen how is it safe for passengers.
    
    Why don’t they release the CCTV?? Name And arrest the man??
    
    And particularly for innercity routes in areas where people might be drinking would be good to see security with dogs hopping on and off various buses and bus stops.
    
    If a bus driver has a well trained dog they should be able to bring their dog to work. Why not? Passengers can bring dogs on buses now. . A German Shepard lying at your feet would be a great disincentive.
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:50am
  - imalwaysright
    
    “When will they union demand safety screens for drivers?”
    
    Instead of putting honest working folk in cages, how about the police and the judiciary put the perpetrators in cages?
    
    I would suggest a mandatory five year minimum sentence for assaults on people serving the public. Particularly paramedics, police and firemen.
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:56am
    - cmm
      
      “I would suggest a mandatory five year minimum sentence for assaults on people”
      
      For any unprovoked attack on anyone – not just the those serving the public.
      
      Those “young women” beating people up to post on Tiktok – off you go!
      
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      October 10, 2024 10:27am
      - Paulus
        
        Our Jails are not big enough yet !
        
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        October 10, 2024 10:37am
      - cmm
        
        Paulus – time to make the prisons less pleasant.
        
        Why do crims need anything more than container housing?
        
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        October 10, 2024 10:51am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I havent been on a bus in NZ since 1970 when I bought my first car. I expect the problem is the class of people who travel on buses. Not exactly top draw as my dear old late Mum used to say.
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:33am
  - MCōs
    
    Your remark will be music to the ears of Simeon Brown
    Btw
    NZ has the highest proportion of car ownership in the world at 9 per 10 people
    Singapore has 1 per 10, but about 90% home ownership rate.
    
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    October 10, 2024 10:30am
    - Paulus
      
      Have you ever seen the costs and price of a Car in Singapore.
      The same her would drop the numbers into a few thousands in all.
      
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      October 10, 2024 10:38am
      - MCōs
        
        I have. Eye watering
        
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        October 10, 2024 11:15am
  - peterwn
    
    Your late mum wasn’t Lady Brackness by any chance? Anyway reasonable people travel on buses as that London judge pointed out when he defined the ‘reasonable man’ as someone you would see on the Clapham Omnibus.
    I frequently met a retired guy on the bus. He was a former university Vice Chancellor and a top public servant. No one would call him ‘not exactly top drawer’.
    
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    October 10, 2024 10:53am
Gravelroad

“No one feels wealthy and sorted right now. Least of all the beloved Middle NZ he thinks he’s appealing to when he says stuff like this.”
So says Verity Johnson in a opinion article today about Mr Luxon.
Gee, thanks for letting me know.
I had no idea. Most of the people I hang round with are doing all right.
But don’t let a chance to diss the Prime Minister go by, eh.
What is it about left wing activist “journalists” that they constantly feel the need to make us fit in to their own image?
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October 10, 2024 8:23am
- igm
  
  She even had a quote from the wimp Hipkins . . . how low can Stuff go?
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:27am
  - kowtow
    
    Yesterday there was a Hipkins quote where he said it was important to keep cowboys out of the building industry , well how about keeping utter incompetents out of parliament !
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:26am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    A quote? Where is he, still no sign of the muppet, he has been away more than a month, and so has O’Connor god knows why. Looks like they have had a reshuffle, but bizarrely the voter has not been told, O’Connor appears to have lost his portfolios, and Veral I noticed was not asking the health questions in the last few Q times
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:44am
    - DeepBlue
      
      He was planned to be back in NZ on 1 October.. a few Facebook Posts show he is in NZ… probably some leave over school holidays.
      
      But he certainly hasn’t come back from the UK all fired up and inspired.
      
      Maybe he did get a job offer. That would also explain how quiet it has been from Labour, as they run the numbers.
      
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      October 10, 2024 10:20am
  - RoboRob
    
    Very low I suspect 🙂
    
    I refuse to read Stuff, do they have a journalist you might consider right leaning or even centrist?
    
    Verity J is the epitome of left wing crazies. A white, educated (but still an air head) woman from a wealthy family who goes out and preaches against white privilege.
    
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    October 10, 2024 10:15am
- G152
  
  When the leftie media get shot of and destroy print TV and radio media they can always lie on street corners
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:38am
- pdm
  
  Gravel – Thank you for taking one for the team.
  
  I cannot ever recall reading an article by Verity Johnson. Obviously I am the better for that.
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:40am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  “Verity” – a good name for an opinionator…?
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:50am
  - Biscuit
    
    How bizarre.
    
    Verity is good enough to tell us that ‘nobody’ feels wealthy and sorted now.
    
    I checked with a few pals of mine who definitely ARE wealthy and sorted.
    
    But Verity hadn’t checked with them.
    
    So hardly ‘Nobody’, then.
    
    Methinks Verity interviewed her typewriter/PC monitor.
    
    Again.
    
    She clearly didn’t check too hard, either, with her leftist clique, either. Auntie Helen with all her properties and Jacinda with all her $200,000 speaking engagements and Grant with his multi-dollared Vice Chancellorship wouldn’t be complaining, I bet.
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:34am
    - RoboRob
      
      Lets not forget that Verity herself comes from a ‘monied’ family and is likely pretty comfortable too 🙂
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/verity-johnson-growing-up-as-a-kiwi-our-changing-childhoods/XSVVRV7JFVYA64D2AZ3GBU7K54/
      
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      October 10, 2024 10:18am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She only has to look at the new Morgan poll that has the coalition with 55% and the opposition on 41%, oh that’s mid no speaking right there
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:40am
- Bobba Fret
  
  This government hasn’t even been in for a year yet but I am already feeling wealthier due to the PAYE bands being adjusted for inflation for the first time in 13? years, and mortgage rates starting to reduce. If Labour was still in power, I don’t think any of this would have happened.
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:51am
- Scott
  
  I was talking to the owner of a cafe in Greytown the other day and he was happy about the new government. He’s middle NZ, he employs staff and he’s making a living and building a good business.
  
  Things aren’t easy right now but he doesn’t blame the govt and he’s happy that they are business friendly, much more so than the previous govt.
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Harris brags about sending money to Lebanon while abandoning North Carolina. May as well give the money straight to Iran.
Democrats don’t give a shit about Americans.

https://pjnewsletter.com/kamala-harris-trashed-for-colo/?
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October 10, 2024 8:24am
- Its only I
  
  Republicans…sorry, non MAGA republicans…have begged for this BS lies to stop. Those republicans on the ground are being hurt and many of them are REP voters. Its backfiring a bit like a full nappy trying to carry both lunch and breakfast…when Trump sits.
  
  Gender enhanced, elevators shoes Desantis is playing politics before the real storm has hit, lets see how that plays out long term.
  
  Your maga bubble media diet is not giving you any real facts.
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:08am
  - Matt Long
    
    Perhaps you’d like to share some genuine facts with sources, it sometimes adds more to a debate than just saying; you’re talking excrement.
    
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    October 10, 2024 10:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tell me the ‘real facts.’
    
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    October 10, 2024 11:03am
Damocles11

I am astonished by the lack of comprehensive media coverage and follow up of the shocking attack on the bus driver where he had his back broken. The assailants were described only as ‘fair dodgers’….what a way to downplay a vicious attack that left a man with grievous injuries. We are seeing a generalised downplaying and a virtual cover up on the prevalence of these attacks I believe.

https://www.indianweekender.co.nz/news/kiwi-indian-bus-driver-assaulted-in-auckland-with-skateboard

‘The incident, which occurred on August 31, has left Singh, a father of two, unable to walk without support due to a fractured lumbar spine. His doctor estimates it could take up to three months for him to recover.
“They hit me with a skateboard, and I fell to the ground. Then they all started kicking me and attacking with the skateboard,” Singh said.’
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October 10, 2024 8:27am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.30am: null bikes once more.

A cool, damp day in the Capital too – not too bad for biking.
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October 10, 2024 8:30am
- AitchW
  
  One wonders why the media aren’t picking up this story. ///
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:11am
- mandk
  
  Thanks NMTB.
  
  Perhaps we could have reports of sightings of bikes on those racks that were fitted onto the front of Wellington buses many (7 or 8) years ago, at great expense to the tax/rate payer.
  
  In all my years living and working in Wellington, I don’t recall seeing the racks used more than 3 or 4 times.
  
  The cost per use must be in the $’000s.
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:24am
  - G152
    
    They were once used to carry prams
    
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    October 10, 2024 10:42am
- Biscuit
  
  NMTB, it’s another typically-fine day here in Upper Hutt.
  
  Am off to the Cake Tin tomorrow night for the NPC Quarterfinal.
  
  I was thinking of taking my bike but I am afeared that all the bike racks will have been taken up.
  
  Maybe the train, eh? Or even the c-a-r swear word that Tory and her pals so detest!
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:47am
Benedict Yu

For those who have not lived in Wellington, Bordeaux Bakery is a large, successful French style bakery in Thorndon Quay. It has been there for 30 years.

It is now dead because 12 months of roadworks to build cycleways and a bus lane removed all the car parks. This area is not an area with much foot traffic. Probably 80 percent of the customers would travel there by car. Maybe more.

So sales are down by 70 percent and the business is dead.

The Mayor said that it was “sad”. However the endless road works and removing the car parks were necessary to move the city to “a brighter future”.

“We are a city in transition working toward a brighter future, while fast tracking work that has been under-invested in the past.”

“Every city goes through this, and it is always difficult, but our community can work through this.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350444415/mayor-reacts-yet-another-wellington-cafe-closure-city-grapples-roadworks

She reminds me of Kamala Harris. 😫

Eventually Wellington will be bankrupt, with cyclists riding past boarded up vacant buildings. The Mayor is literally saying that these businesses need to be destroyed to enable “a brighter future”. It is a mindset normally associated with historical despots.
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October 10, 2024 8:31am
- gravedodger
  
  As for South Viet Nam With US troops trying to stem the tide from Ho Chi Min.
  “We had to destroy the village to save it” LoL
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:36am
  - kowtow
    
    Ho Chi Minh..
    
    We’ll destroy whole countries to save the politbureau.
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:29am
- youcanthandlethetruth
  
  The quality of their products (and Pandoro’s) was really good. Quite sad.
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:40am
- G152
  
  Ever counted the number of cyclists using these cycleways ??????
  Its just greens playing games and will turn towns into slums
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:41am
  - kowtow
    
    Slums ?
    
    I think Greens want our cities to look like their favourite piece of real estate , Gaza .
    
    A barren waste .
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:31am
  - Oskar
    
    According to this NZ Herald article – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/wellington-city-council-officers-recommend-borrowing-to-fund-controversial-thorndon-quay-raised-pedestrian-crossings/TASKLTB3UVCWVG7FLR5OF4X4OM/
    
    Thorndon Quay is “one of the most important commuter routes” in the city, with approximately 10,000 people travelling the route by bus, 1300 by bike, and 9000 by car on weekdays.”
    
    The article does not say whether those are one way or return journeys. If it counts those going too and from work its around 650 cyclists per day. The Council is counting on an increase in bike users once the Wellington-Lower Hutt cycleway is completed.
    
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    October 10, 2024 10:07am
- cmm
  
  Just think of all the grain and sugar that bakery wasted making bread and other baked goods.
  It could have been used to make more alcohol. That’s the brighter future.
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:48am
- AitchW
  
  BY, Wellington, or at least WCC, is already in intellectual bankruptcy.
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:51am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I am not anti cyclist ot anti cycleways up to a point. However, Thorndon Quay is unusual for Wellington. It is a wide, safe flat road. Lined with successful businesses that are located there specifically because their customers travel there by car.
  
  The mayor is celebrating turning a wide, safe road into a narrow dangerous road lined with broken businesses.
  
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  October 10, 2024 8:54am
  - pdm
    
    From afar it seems to be the only talent she has BY.
    
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    October 10, 2024 8:57am
    - igm
      
      Isn’t she adept at doing runners from cafes when it comes time to pay?
      Must have a hatred of food retailers.
      
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      October 10, 2024 10:29am
  - Taieri
    
    It is a wide, safe flat road.
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    The logical solution would be to make the footpath a bit wider and use it as a shared pedestrian/cycling path. This way it would not impede the normal traffic. And not just at the Thorndon Quay. But, it would be too easy I suspect…
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:13am
    - imalwaysright
      
      The solution is to put up a sign saying:
      
      “Cyclists beware of Traffic”
      
      (Even that is overkill)
      
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      October 10, 2024 10:07am
  - MCōs
    
    I wonder who their clientele was.
    It’s a windswept street with no protection from the weather. It’s not a residential area. There’s some home improvement shops and a couple of tyres shops along there.
    It’s also the main route for cyclists from the north suburbs and the Hutt valley, one of whom was myself for years.
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:56am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Seriously? Back in the day I would pop in on a Sunday. The place was packed with folk, including families and children. All of whom travelled there by car and parked on the street.
      
      There was no wind inside the bakery.
      
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      October 10, 2024 10:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Public sector job cuts are to blame? The business has been there 30 years!
  God that mayor talks some shit!
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:14am
  - greybeard
    
    Agreed: the bakery is nowhere near any public sector offices as far as I know.
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:17am
- Rich Prick
  
  Take a look at the chaos in the Island Bay shopping area, virtually all car parks now gone simply to provide a playground for the lycra fanciers.
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:23am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  You should see the posts about thus from the rabid lefties.
  
  They are happy it’s closing down and say it’s owners deserve it because they actually wanted staff to work.
  
  You can hardly drive down Thorndon quay now, a once wide road with csrparks reduced to narrow lanes, no parks and permanent cones everywhere.
  
  If somehow you needed an angle to want the mayor removed, she should be sacked for this alone
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:33am
  - AitchW
    
    I really despise that lefty attitude that anyone successful must have made their money by exploiting the poor downtrodden working man.
    If they tried to understand the risks business owners take, and the sacrifices they make their tiny little heads would explode.
    
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    October 10, 2024 10:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “owners deserve it because they actually wanted staff to work.”
    How rude.
    
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    October 10, 2024 11:16am
- Biscuit
  
  Benedict, you may have overstated things.
  
  More likely ‘one cyclist’ than ‘cyclists’, heh.
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:48am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Really? When I lived in Wellington, Thorndon Quay was crowded with cyclists heading into Wellington. At least hundreds, probably a couple of thousand in fine weather. I know because I drove along Thorndon Quay every morning and evening.
    
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    October 10, 2024 9:53am
    - Biscuit
      
      Wow, I had no idea.
      
      Where’d they all go?
      
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      October 10, 2024 9:59am
      - MCōs
        
        In my case I worked further along Thorndon Quay.
        
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        October 10, 2024 10:06am
- alex Masterley
  
  Green economics at play.
  The peasant scenes in the classic Mony Python and the Holy Grail show the outcome of such economic thinking.
  They are as propehtic as certain scenes in the “Life of Brian” (and I am not thinking of Biggus Dickus”.
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:55am
- cas
  
  I was driving through Ohope the other day and the cycle lane there amounts to a couple of white lines painted all the way down the road with the symbol of a cyclist from time to time. It didn’t look too expensive ( though there was no-one using it).
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:55am
- Paulus
  
  By Law a City Council can never be bankrupt as the Ratepayer always pays !
  
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  October 10, 2024 10:41am
imalwaysright

This raises some questions about the US response to the hurricanes. Has FEMA been politicised , have the hurricanes been manipulated?
https://youtu.be/YvYT7NLVYCU?si=UWgwrexoZNDI3IUD
Here is the US govt website mentioned that explains their research into manipulating the weather.
https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hurricane_blog/70th-anniversary-of-the-first-hurricane-seeding-experiment/
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October 10, 2024 8:36am
- Benedict Yu
  
  You think that the USA government is deliberately making the hurricanes worse? That seems far fetched.
  
  https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/false-rumor-says-hurricane-milton-is-product-weather-control-2024-10-09/
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:55am
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    I’m asking if its possible.
    As usual you jump straight to a conclusion and post a link to a sketchy site that agrees with you.
    
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    October 10, 2024 10:30am
cmm

“Eventually Wellington will be bankrupt”

I would have thought it is already bankrupt. OK, maybe not bankrupt because it can still raise more debt, but is at least broke.

It certainly is past fixing. It can’t afford to fixing the leaking pipes. No wonder they’re just trying to strip as much cash as they can and run.
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October 10, 2024 8:41am
G the giant from Dunedin

Great to see an increased support for the coalition in the new Morgan poll, coalition up 2 seats from election night, and Labour hammered down to 23%
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October 10, 2024 8:44am
- Biscuit
  
  Mmmm, G.
  
  To save you good folk the bother of hunting it up – you sure as Hell won’t see much mention of it in Te Media – I summarise:
  
  ‘Roy Morgan’s New Zealand Poll for September 2024 shows support for the National-led Government (National, ACT & NZ First) has increased again, up 2% points to 55%, increasing its lead over the Labour-Greens-Maori Party Parliamentary Opposition on 41% (down 2% points).
  
  For the National-led Government support for National increased 1.5% points to 37.5% – their highest level of support for six months since March 2024, support for ACT was up 0.5% points to 10% and support for NZ First was unchanged at 7.5%.
  
  For the Parliamentary Opposition, support for Labour was down 3.5% points to 23%, support for the Greens was up 1% point to 14% and support for the Maori Party up 0.5% points to 4%.
  
  A further 4% (unchanged) of electors supported a minor party outside Parliament. This includes 2.5% (unchanged) who support The Opportunities Party and a further 1.5% (unchanged) who support other minor parties including the New Conservatives, NewZeal, NZ Outdoors, the Freedom Party and the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party.’
  
  No idea why but I feel in SUCH a good mood I might buy a couple of Danishes up town shortly and bring ’em back for my loving partner to watch me scoff both!
  
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  October 10, 2024 10:09am
  - cmm
    
    The biggest concern out of all that is the support for Maori Party increasing.
    
    Only disaffected activist types vote for the Maori Party.
    An increase of 0.5% to 4% means that their numbers have swelled by 14% since the election. That is a massive increase!
    
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    October 10, 2024 11:16am
AitchW

I watched 5 minutes of TV1 news last night (yes, I know) to see if there was any indication of what my mortgage rate might be when I fix again in December.
The young female reported interviewing Nicola Willis tried to get Wilis to agree that the only reason for the drop in the OCR was the government’s poor handling of the economy. At that point I turned it off. That had to be the most blatantly biased reporting I’ve seen for a very long time. Why is TVNZ hiring children to report on grown up events? Why do their reporters so very uncritically support the Labour/Green/Maori bloc?
Just as bad was the Herald’s Claire Trevett on Newstalk ZB just before 5pm. She was working herself into a lather about the government giving 24 million to Mike King’s organisation for youth mental health. Perhas I shouldn’t have been surprised given that Jack Tame was filling in for HDPA. She wouldn’t have let Trevett get away with her diatribe unchallenged.
What I find truly and deeply depressing is that I can see no reason why the media would ever change their colours and report objectively on anything. Luxon could find a cure for cancer and the common cold and the media would screech that he was putting nurses and doctors out of work.
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October 10, 2024 8:49am
- artemisia
  
  Claire Trevett on Newstalk ZB yesterday. Lots of umms. Definitely a voice for print.
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They are utterly deluded, spouting on you put the country into recession when the end of 23 seen the 2 quarters that makes up a recession were under labour
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:33am
- kowtow
  
  If you want to learn anything then tv1 and much of te legacy meedia is worse than a waste of time , cos it’s so negative for your mental health.
  
  For business views , try interest.co.nz .
  
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  October 10, 2024 9:35am
- MCōs
  
  Ring the bank
  Some TV reporter on not much more than minimum wage ain’t going to know
  
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  October 10, 2024 10:32am
  - cmm
    
    “Some TV reporter on not much more than minimum wage”
    
    They might be deserving nothing more than minimum wage, but they certainly get a lot more than that.
    
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    October 10, 2024 11:11am
Rusty

Can someone correct me on a story Three News/ Stuff ran last night?

They quoted from journo Bob Woodward’s new book that Donald Trump called PM Netanyahu a F….

But what I have found out is that Biden said that in Woodward’s book.

Anyone else heard anything about this?
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October 10, 2024 9:37am
- RoboRob
  
  I have heard that Biden call Netanyahu a F. There was no love lost between the two of them (Obama and N). When Trump came in the relationship massively improved and I believe Netanyahu described Trump as the best friend of Isreal. I am 100% sure Stuff is either wrong or intentionally misleading people here. I suspect just wrong, and they couldn’t believe Obama would say that so they credited it to Trump.
  
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  October 10, 2024 10:27am
- cmm
  
  WIll Stuff print a retraction?
  
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