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NeverMindTheBollocks

The general taxpayer should not be buying out Dunedin house owners. Instead, Council should be spending more on pumping infrastructure. It’s one of their primary purposes after all, though they may have forgotten that.
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October 8, 2024 8:02am
- John Loveridge
  
  Too busy destroying the main street to do that. They can’t be everywhere at once.
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:03am
- Burtland
  
  is this unruly water under control of the mahuta?
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:42am
- JimBobJoe
  
  South Dunedin and flooding is a thing because its so low … I seem to recall previous events have often had questions raised about drains, holding tanks etc not being maintain/cleaned out regularly to ensure capacity drain water is there.
  
  Is that still the case? If it is do residents have a civil case to sue for damages?
  
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  October 8, 2024 5:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Isn’t the border czar doing well?
13,000 convicted murderers running loose ; not detained.
Notice that nobody is trying to assassinate her.

https://patriotpulse.net/one-letter-detailed-the-scary-number-of-killer-illegal-aliens-kamala-harris-let-into-america/?
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October 8, 2024 8:04am
- Simon
  
  13,000 killers are a by product of importing a voting base for the Dems. The Democratic party is an open criminal organization.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:35am
- Scott
  
  Scary stuff Steve, thanks for posting it. I would suggest Kamala Harris is doing what the democrats want a border czar to do. Hold the door open while millions and millions of people walk into the United States.
  
  It’s a simple plan. Allow millions of illegal aliens to come across the border. Give them housing and food. Give them ID so they can get on the voting rolls.
  Confidently expect them to vote democrat. And there you have it. Millions of illegal aliens voting Democrat!
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is talk of with a Democrat win it will be the last Election of the Republic. The way some think Harris and co will head means the Republic destroyed and the Constitution abandoned altogether. A dictatorship controlled by the deep state.
    Someone who is quite capable is very quiet at the moment – Barrack Obama.
    Wrong? I don’t know.
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:04am
    - Bridgenag
      
      He is working hard for her behind the scenes
      
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      October 8, 2024 10:20am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        She is working hard for him, and she is too dumb to know!
        
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        October 8, 2024 2:46pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      That’s what they said about Trump.
      Some are still saying it.
      
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      October 8, 2024 11:19am
      - Matt Long
        
        “Accuse your opponent of what you are doing, to create confusion and to inculcate voters against evidence of your own guilt”
        
        -Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals
        
        The Marxists have form and a playbook.
        
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        October 8, 2024 1:15pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        A threat to democracy? Notice who is saying Trump is a threat?
        It’s not the poor, or homeless – it is the Elite, the Deep State, the Swamp. They don’t want their binky taken away, the binky they have had for decades.
        The establishment look after themselves.
        It is going to happen again:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grD_IINiH9c
        
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        October 8, 2024 3:50pm
      - Ghost
        
        just like trump when he calls Biden “the destroyer of American democracy.”. You never call that out do you.
        
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        October 8, 2024 3:57pm
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    As Labour in the UK are finding when you have enough migrants they just form their own political parties. Wonder if the Dems have thought about this??
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:50am
    - kowtow
      
      Corbyn has joined a group of ‘independant’ MP’s to form what amounts to one of the largest non major party alliances in that august house .
      
      Very little in the media about what is a genuinely serious development in a once liberal , tolerant democracy.
      
      ‘Jeremy Corbyn has united with four other MPs elected as independents to establish the joint-fifth biggest group in the House of Commons.
      
      Already outnumbering the Green Party and matching the number of Reform UK MPs, the new Independent Alliance has made a pitch to recruit more members after seven of Mr Corbyn’s allies were suspended from the parliamentary Labour Party.
      
      All five of the group beat Labour candidates in July’s election with their pro-Palestinian stance in constituencies with large Muslim populations.’
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c24p2l11y12o
      
      Similar noises in Oz.
      
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      October 8, 2024 12:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Good thing NZ has learnt its lesson on socialism is bad.
        Oh wait, it is 2024.
        
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        October 8, 2024 4:06pm
  - yossarian
    
    The growth in the immigrant population in the swing states is scary. They’re basically shipping in voters.
    
    Harris will win, comfortably.
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:48am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I saw a tweet this morning from a county in Virginia where voting opened early. Every district within the country has received more votes than they have registered voters.
      
      Polls are all over the place at the moment but one trend has emerged; Harris is losing support, and Trump is gaining support. If Harris is losing momentum just a month out from election day, that doesn’t bode well for her.
      
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      October 8, 2024 12:40pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The cheating is all open and blatant. The Dems just don’t give a shit about anything or anyone, as long as they win.
        Democrats and “Democracy” are two different pictures.
        
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        October 8, 2024 4:10pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Scott, you should read this paper, put out by Project Democracy, “Noncitizen voting lies, explained”: https://protectdemocracy.org/work/noncitizen-voting-lies-explained/.
    
    Noncitizen voting, especially in Federal elections, simply doesn’t happen.
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:53am
    - Its only I
      
      Oh yes it does Steve T, Trump has been priming the pump for months…just like 2020. A win for Trump is a good, fair and secure election. A loss, well that goes against gods will.
      
      Trump winning this time around with all the guard rails smashed down will be funny AF.
      
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      October 8, 2024 1:32pm
    - Matt Long
      
      In the Book Vital Lies, Simple Truths, Daniel Goleman relates the story of a Russian commander telling border guards reporting the Nazi invasion, that it didn’t happen.
      Most reliable historical accounts beg to differ.
      
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      October 8, 2024 1:44pm
      - Its only I
        
        If you have 4 hours try listening to Jack Smith’s Unsealed Court Filing Against Donald Trump.
        
        If he is elected this crime will go away…
        
        Start from the beginning then tell me how this isn’t the easiest prosecution for the people of the US against felon Trump..
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RGK-B0UTi8
        
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        October 8, 2024 5:07pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Anna and Ken – Harvard.
      Do we need to know more?
      You can do better Steve Todd.
      
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      October 8, 2024 4:16pm
- RoboRob
  
  Near zero coverage of those stunning figures in the US (excl Fox). Its like the legacy media dont want people to know.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:06am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  There was over 100 terrorist on the terror watch list as well, but nah
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:34am
- Stellaboxer
  
  You must wonder why staying in power drives these people to such lengths as this treasonous behaviour. The scale of troughing and corruption that the Dems are trying to hold onto must be truly staggering.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:55am
- David George
  
  Border Czar, Border Czar.
  Re-write of Otara Millionaire’s Club’s “How Bizarre”
  
  https://x.com/i/status/1840055614967345259
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:30am
  - Don Beckett
    
    THAT is PRICELESS. 😆 😆
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Oh boy, that is so good.
    “and someone stole my car, stole my car, stole my car!”
    
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    October 8, 2024 4:26pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  From ZeroHedge (yeah, I know, there is good and bad on there):
  
  Watch: Kamala.exe Malfunctions During 60 Minutes Ambush Over Border, Firearms, Nomination
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/political/devout-public-servant-harris-asked-explain-policy-flip-flops-cbs-60-minutes
  
  Not sure if the article quite matches the headline but Kamala’s dodgy rehearsed word salads therein should be a red flag to all.
  
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  October 9, 2024 4:21pm
Grunter

“I know not with what weapons WWW3 will be fought, but WWW4 will be fought with sticks and stones”
– Albert Einstein (early 1950’s)
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October 8, 2024 8:07am
- imalwaysright
  
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  Good quote.
  If all wars were fought with sticks and stones we would have far fewer.
  Ironic.
  
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  October 8, 2024 12:07pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    5 downticks !, must be keyboard warriors …
    
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    October 9, 2024 8:31am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Hence the need to see who the downtickers are.
      
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      October 9, 2024 4:23pm
- JackRabbit
  
  WW3 is not being fought between different countries. It is being fought between WHO/NATO/UN/Govts and their populations.
  
  Between 1900 and 2000, 200 million people died at the hands of their govt, through Communism, Fascism, by people like Stalin, Hitler, Polpot etc.
  
  And each tyrannical govt had puppeteers masquerading as “concerned” investors.
  
  Today it is being fought using vaccines, and propaganda is shoveled out by the mainstream media, and funded by the same families / cults / derivatives / as last century.
  
  As well as the usual sub wars to distract the public in Gaza and the Ukraine, which makes the same investors billions.
  
  The death toll from vaccines alone, both direct deaths and prolonged deaths through immune deficiency created deaths, makes WW2 look like a school yard punch up. Even in NZ.
  
  Forget WW4, WW3 could wipe out human civilisation.
  
  The vaccines and the “caring” narrative is our modern day “Trojan Horse”, with Ardern being a modern day Pied Piper: Eliminate the rats (Covid-19) with this vaccine. And it is killing our children and our future.
  
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  October 8, 2024 12:33pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Jack,
    Well put.
    Dont forget who financed the wars from 1900.
    And before
    
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    October 8, 2024 1:24pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      I haven’t forgotten. It’s in my statements.
      
      Between 1900 and 2000, 200 million people died at the hands of their govt, through Communism, Fascism, by people like Stalin, Hitler, Polpot etc.
      
      And each tyrannical govt had puppeteers masquerading as “concerned” investors.
      
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      October 8, 2024 7:32pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That is the most idiotic comment I have ever read on this blog. That is saying something.
    
    Vaccines have saved between 100 million and 150 million lives since the early 1970s.
    
    https://www.who.int/news/item/24-04-2024-global-immunization-efforts-have-saved-at-least-154-million-lives-over-the-past-50-years
    
    https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24138291/do-vaccines-work-explained-study-efficacy-evidence
    
    Of course the major beneficiaries have been children, with infant mortality plummeting.
    
    https://ourworldindata.org/vaccines-children-saved#:~:text=But%20it's%20in%20infants%20that,reduced%20infant%20mortality%20by%2040%25.
    
    Go take a look around around any New Zealand graveyard at the numbers of children who died in infancy before the late 1940s, when the initial vaccines for whooping cough were developed. Then came polio in the 1950s, and the others in the 1960s and early 1970s.
    
    Vaccines are the single most valuable medical breakthrough of the last century. As I have commented repeatedly, parents who do not vaccinate their children are both deluded and a grave menace to society.
    
    EDIT – To that 150 million lives saved since 1970 (mostly) children, you can now add between 15 million and 20 million saved by the COVID vaccines.
    
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9537923/
    
    Those numbers saved by COVID should have been millions more but for those who fell for the antivaxxer lies.
    
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    October 8, 2024 2:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Benedict, I will say what a lot are thinking.
      With the rush to make a Covid vaccine and then to force it is nice humankind protection thinking.
      Who will tell us the results of any human damage in 10/20/30 years time?
      People make choices, sometimes Govts make choices and somehow the Govt are not responsible for their fuckups.
      See where I am thinking? I could be wrong.
      Nuremberg.
      
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      October 8, 2024 4:48pm
      - Ghost
        
        Guess then that this man should stand before the courts.
        
        “The vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind,” Trump told conservative commentator Candace Owens in an interview on Wednesday. While Trump has expressed opposition to vaccine mandates, he has long taken credit for the vaccines developed on his watch.
        
        “I came up with a vaccine, with three vaccines all are very, very good,” he said in the interview, referring to the Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson shots.
        
        Article
        
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        October 8, 2024 7:14pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “While Trump has expressed opposition to vaccine mandates.”
        
        Quite a different stance to the far-left control freak “leaders” hey? Not looking at anyone in particular from NZ. Trump therefore not guilty of your said charges IMHO. 😊
        
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        October 9, 2024 4:31pm
    - freemark
      
      Yeah, cos “modelling” right?
      The numbers are fantastically easy to make up. I’ve seen graphs showing that many of the diseases were on the decline (due to basic improvements in sanitation & hygiene) before “miracle” jabs.
      Vaccines are highly likely to have created a spiral of illness & compromised immunity that demands another vaccine to undo the effects of the last – this will be increasingly evident with mRNA. Of course you realise who funds most of these studies too, surely. And you must have seen what happened/happens to anyone, no matter how qualified, who raises questions about the wildly profitable “miracle cures.”
      
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      October 8, 2024 6:43pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Benedict, I was referring to the Covid vaccines, but very few vaccines are safe any more. Not Polio, not measles, not MMR, not even Tetanus.
      
      As for Covid vaccines, the death toll is huge. The death stats from Covid-19 are as dodgy as the 2020 USA election. And all the tricks that were used have been discussed at length on this and other blogs.
      
      There is a reason why under Ardern, all stats relating to flu deaths, were suspended for 3 years; There is a reason why under Ardern, all detailed stats relating to causes of death from 2020 forward have been dumbed down.
      
      Do some proper research. If you only ever copy and paste or read from graphs prepared by those with conflicts of interest, you will only ever get what those people want you to see.
      
      The real data has come out from investigations, OIA requests by the dozens in NZ, that is on media all over the world, except mainstream media, but even then it is filtering through.
      
      Follow the money.
      
      Or continue doing what you are doing, being an apologist for tyranny, communism, and un-consented medical experiments on people.
      
      The fact that people are so brainwashed to accept the fake narrative, shows us the power of media brainwashing. But not you.
      
      Here ‘s some logic for you: Arden told us the vaccines were safe and effective. She is not a doctor.
      
      She told us that “The single source of truth” was more reliable than your GP, and to disregard what your GP told you. She was not a doctor, and did not have a practicing license or the obligatory insurance cover. GPs did.
      
      All GPs were warned that if they consulted with you about the merits of getting or refusing the vaccine, they would be struck off. That has all the required factors of a con.
      
      Imagine if the Real Estate institute threatened Real Estate agents that if they mention the damage a property sustained during the Chch earthquakes, they would be struck off.
      
      Or could be struck off if they showed you the LIM Report, or allowed you to get an external building inspector in to provide a report.
      
      You would think you were being set up, now wouldn’t you?
      
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      October 8, 2024 7:29pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I think the role of public hygiene is overlooked here. Municipal sewerage and potable water supplies had a huge positive impact on mortality rates.
      
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      October 8, 2024 8:45pm
Bridgenag

Paul Frew MLA
Jeff Peel in Conversation with Northern Ireland Assembly Member Paul Frew on the proposed ‘Public Health’ law in Northern Ireland

“The proposed Health Bill is being trail-blazed at a time when Northern Ireland – in common with other parts of the UK and Ireland – is wrestling with the destruction caused by “pandemic” response. Rates of suicide among young people have spiralled, vaccine injury has been ignored or brushed under the carpet, and the health service is dealing with chronic waiting lists for a host of procedures.”

https://www.thenewera.uk/p/paul-frew-mla?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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October 8, 2024 8:15am
- Paulus
  
  Are we not hearing that what are a large number illegal immigrants to the UK, have camped into Ireland so they can go freely to the EC from there ?
  It is only now the Irish Government has woken up with another headache.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:23am
- MCōs
  
  Here is some suicide data for England and Wales going back to 1980
  https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2023#:~:text=There%20were%206%2C069%20suicides%20registered,highest%20rate%20seen%20since%201999.
  Here is some suicide data for Northern Ireland to the end of 2022
  https://www.nisra.gov.uk/system/files/statistics/Suicide%20Statistics%202022%20Report.pdf
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:47am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Have the rates of suicide among young people increased dramatically? Last time I looked at the New Zealand data, the suicide rates seemed stable. Not going down sadly, but stable.
  
  Also, when you first posted about this forthcoming Northern Ireland law, I asked how it was materially different to the exiting law, or to broadly equivalent laws in OECD countries? I think that you will find that the proposed law is nothing unusual when compared to other developed countries. Happy to be corrected.
  
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  October 8, 2024 3:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

FBI dragging the chain? The assassin at Butler had 3 phones with encrypted accounts. The second guy apparently had 6. The FBI have not cracked any.
Thing is the FBI had no trouble breaking into the apps following the J6 events.

https://patriotpulse.net/donald-trump-dropped-a-scary-bombshell-about-assassins-trying-to-kill-him/?
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October 8, 2024 8:16am
- Matt Long
  
  The thing is Steve, the Jan 6 “insurrectionists” weren’t the type of people to have heavily encrypted accounts on their phones, apart from people who might have been there for false flag purposes.
  The would be assassins are likely tools of sophisticated agencies, so would have state of the art encryption. And perhaps, like the Biden Hunter laptop, the FBI isn’t trying to hard. Who would know?
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The “insurrectionists” where Trump rally infiltrators.
    Look at Ray Epps, look at the idiot with the horns. Those sorts do not normally go to Trump rallies.
    
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    October 8, 2024 8:55am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Always wondered who the Trump flag wavers were at our Parliament protests. When my mate asked them why they were there with those banners and flags the mid to late twenty body workout short neat haired smart casually dressed men became very nervous and refused to answer. Couldn’t have been plants used to discredit the protests surely.
      
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      October 8, 2024 10:04am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They got free KFC and a free latte at every cafe in wellywood?
        
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        October 8, 2024 5:41pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Worth noting that the “violent gun toting redneck deplorables” who, so the Dems tell us, came to overthrow the government, didn’t bring any guns!
    
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    October 8, 2024 8:56am
- JackRabbit
  
  Before 2000, the NSA could decrypt bank grade level encryption in real time. And their technology has vastly improved in 25 years.
  
  And the NSA created many of the encryption protocols in use today.
  
  The only encryption “not decipherable” by the FBI/NSA/CIA, is encryption they created and control.
  
  And if you want to ensure something cannot be decrypted after a one time event deadline is to take offline an online repository that works as a silent component in a multi-factor authentication chain.
  
  It is also possible that multiple phones may act in tandem to provide the encryption / decryption.
  
  Otherwise FBI/NSA/CIA could simply access a copy of mobile phone calls and txts for the MAC address / mobile phone number.
  
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  October 8, 2024 12:46pm
Bridgenag

Fear and Loathing in New Normal Germany

“The first rule of New Normal Germany is, you do not compare New Normal Germany to Nazi Germany. If you do that, New Normal Germany will punish you. It will sic the Federal Criminal Police on you. It will report you to its domestic Intelligence agency. It will ban your books. It will censor your Tweets. It will prosecute you on fabricated “hate-crime” charges.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/cjhopkins/p/fear-and-loathing-in-new-normal-germany?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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October 8, 2024 8:17am
- Inandout
  
  Bridge, Germans have a natural inclination toward being regimented. We once hosted for a year a 15 year old German student and she showed us her ‘temporary citizen photo ID’ which became permanent when she reached 18. At that time in Germany a Sunday was reserved for family and only service stations and necessary shops remained open. This was of course before the Muslim immigrant flood but we got the impression this student would always do what she was told, without question.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:46am
  - rjay
    
    When I was a kid shops didn’t open on Saturdays or Sundays.
    I’m not that regimented.
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:00am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yeah, well, once upon a time I thought that such behaviour could never happen in NZ.
    
    Now, I know better.
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:04am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    And as we’ve seen in our own recent history- we are no different.
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:46am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Hmm,
      
      Spot on.
      If Nazi Germany was populated by New Zealanders, Spanish, or Eskimos, the outcome would have been the same.
      We are all as vulnerable to fear and propaganda as anyone else.
      Germany became Nazi Germany not because of the Germans, but because of the Nazis.
      
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      October 8, 2024 11:23am
      - MCōs
        
        I very much doubt it because conditions in Germany at the time were entirely different to now, one hundred years later.
        Furthermore
        There were no immigrants on any sort of meaningful scale
        
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        October 8, 2024 9:21pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      It”s not well known but the famous philosopher,, Karl Popper (The Open Society and Its Enemies) briefly lectured here in NZ during WWII.
      
      Upon returning to Britain he commented that the people of NZ were the easiest in the world to govern.
      
      I don’t think he meant it as a compliment.
      
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      October 8, 2024 12:29pm
      - Jack5
        
        Tom Hunter’s Karl Popper … briefly lectured here in NZ during WWII.
        
        Karl Popper was a then Canterbury University College philosophy lecturer from 1937 to 1945, and while in Christchurch he he wrote The Open Society and its Enemies and the papers collected in The Poverty of Historicism.
        
        Popper was followed at Canterbury by Arthur Prior,widely regarded as founder of temporal logic.
        
        You can read a little of what Popper thought of NZ and the university here:
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/4p18/popper-karl-raimund
        
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        October 8, 2024 1:38pm
  - pdm
    
    We too had a 15/16 year old German Student and she was great company and after we asserted the rules ( it took a few times) we never had a problem with her.
    
    We had the clear impression that she had a very free rein at home though and pretty much did what she wanted.
    
    It was about 10 years ago and she still keeps a loose contact – often from throughout the world, seldom Germany.
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:06am
  - Mod88
    
    Covid proved the vast majority of NZers will do as they are told too, without question.
    “Two classes of people, yip, yip that’s what it is”.
    
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    October 8, 2024 12:11pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “A nation of sheep will invariably become governed by wolves.” (Not my quote.)
      
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      October 8, 2024 1:20pm
  - Local Miller
    
    I’m married to a German, and they are nothing like this. As with a lot of generalizations, this one is also wrong.
    
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    October 8, 2024 12:34pm
    - Jack5
      
      Anti-German prejudice is understandable given the propaganda campaigns in two world wars to stiffen people’s resolve by making them hate the enemy.
      
      Regardless of temporary perceived need, it’s wrong. Jesus had it right (John 8:7) of the woman about to be stoned for adultery (yep, stoning girls pre-dates Islam):
      
      “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
      
      I am reminded tonight that the “enemy” suffered, too, by this video clip out today, from British war historian Mark Felton.
      
      It tells of the Allies’ forced return of the Cossacks to Stalin in 1945. Brutal stuff.
      
      Perhaps it was knowledge of this incident, or perhaps just from his contact with the Red Army at Trieste, that a Kiwi World War 2 veteran infantryman told me that if Communists took over New Zealand he would shoot his family.
      
      The brutal forced return of the Lienz Cossacks. A 12 min 30 sec video posted on YouTube today:
      
      https://youtu.be/iiCdWFaQRH0?si=oDChhtQiJJOVlHqf
      
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      October 8, 2024 10:01pm
Biscuit

I was just reading TVNZ’s presser about their proposed cost-cutting exercise(s).

That presser included this:

‘In May, TVNZ axed long-running and celebrated current affairs programmes Fair Go and Sunday. It also axed roles from Re: News and other parts of its business.’

Now, not being nasty or anything, has anyone NOTICED the absence of the programmes that have been axed?
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October 8, 2024 8:17am
- Grunter
  
  TVNZ has been completely absent from my screen for at least 2 years – I don’t miss any of it.
  
  It will be gone for good when this last bucket of taxpayer money runs dry.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:38am
  - Paulus
    
    I wish it would dry up Mr Luxon
    – they will never like you no matter how much money you give the media !
    
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    October 8, 2024 12:47pm
- redeye
  
  Innovative lot at TVNZ. They are now planning to be the only news organisation in the world with no online presence.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:42am
  - imalwaysright
    
    For their next trick they will henceforth broadcast only on the AM frequency band.
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:26am
- MCōs
  
  Sunday — Yes
  Fair Go — No so much
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:52am
  - Biscuit
    
    Mmmm, MCōs.
    
    I generalise, of course, but I always found Sunday to be basically a rehash of stories from overseas.
    
    And Fair Go seemed to have degenerated into a ‘We’re right, you’re wrong’ standover programme.
    
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    October 8, 2024 9:03am
    - Tarquin North
      
      It used to be funny but has slowly turned into a hideous wokefest as the years have gone by. It was definitely time for it to go. Seven sharp and any home grown comedy involving the usual unfunny comedians should follow.
      
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      October 8, 2024 9:22am
      - imalwaysright
        
        NZ “comedians” are a tragic bunch.
        They seem to depend on using odd voices and saying fuck.
        
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        October 8, 2024 10:07am
      - Flossie
        
        amr – Yes all of that, and also ramming their sexual identities down our throats
        
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        October 8, 2024 11:08am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Lefty/woke comedians are 99.9% boring-as-f**k evangelists from the cult of luxury beliefs.
        
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        October 9, 2024 4:34pm
    - pdm
      
      Even so it was a bloody sight more watchable than the awful Hilary Barry and Jeremy Wells of 7 Blunt infamy.
      
      Nauseating springs to mind most nights but mrspdm seems to tolerate it. Me I clear the bench, fill the dishwasher and then find something else to do.
      
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      October 8, 2024 9:37am
      - Dodger
        
        yes likewise pdm.
        
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        October 8, 2024 9:43am
      - Don Beckett
        
        You’re very well trained, pdm. 🙂
        
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        October 8, 2024 10:30am
      - pdm
        
        DB – 54 and a half years marriage and retirement combine to achieve that.
        
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        October 8, 2024 11:08am
      - newview
        
        Snap pdm. Same routine in our house. Those two well past use by date.
        
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        October 8, 2024 12:15pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        @pdm.
        I beat you by 3 years, & SWMBO is still trying to convince me that she’s always right, & I’m always wrong. 57 – 1/2 years & I’m still holding out – JUST.
        It’s been a great & interesting journey with a few bumpy patches. 🙂
        
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        October 8, 2024 2:39pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  No, not by any measure.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:54am
- RoboRob
  
  I watched the ‘previews’ of what they are covering on 1 news last night, noticed they didn’t include the TVNZ changes and switched to 3 news (for the first time ever) just to see the detail. Did they actually cover it on 1 news or did they pretend it wasn’t happening?
  
  p.s. I see the terrible Loyd Burr managed to keep land a job on Stff / 3 news. Omg, so many of better options and thet chose hime. DEI hire?
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:10am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Lloyd really should just stick to his knitting.
    
    (Yes, he knits.)
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:05am
  - MCōs
    
    They covered the probable demise of their online news service if that’s what you’re referring to, but they didn’t cover the small pro Palestinian protest outside their building.
    Nor did they cover the patched Destiny Church gang on rowdy motorbikes who broke it up.
    Two groups unsuccessfully looking for cheap publicity
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:19am
- kowtow
  
  Wouldn’t it be something if te media spent as much time reporting and analysing why the country is losing so many real jobs in agri processing ,hydrocarbons and other industrial processes instead of about the loss of non jobs in their own little , non productive , tax dollar soaking bubble world.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:12am
- G152
  
  no and I hope to see more
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:41am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Is TVNZ even still a thing? Who knew, its been a zombie for the last 15 years, which come to think of it is when I turned it off for the last time. Haven’t missed it at all.
  
  Nobody under 25 even knows what terrestrial linear TV is!
  
  You have to tell them that when we were kids, talking hears used to curate the news into “segments” and ham up emotions to let us all know what we were supposed to think about issues.
  
  They look at you like you were cray cray….
  (and then go back to their insta influencer channels!)
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:04am
Tomtoddy

One of the most pernicious, detrimental laws to have ever been passed by a govt has now been enacted in the EU. It goes by the grandiose name of the Corporate Sustainability Due Diligence Directive. It requires any major business wanting to operate in the EU to meet a raft of woke social goals from climate nonsense, diversity hire, disinformation, gender, green energy, less water use and much more. Businesses can be fined, kicked out or even be sued by any pressure group for failing to comply. Not only the large corporate but also its suppliers, wherever they are, must meet the new standards.

So, a company sourcing, say, NZ milk powder and making a food product exported to the EU will have to get the NZ business to comply. It is a daft piece of wokism but it is also an attack on sovereignty like never before. The world barrels down a slippery slope of economic ruin and social madness.
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October 8, 2024 8:18am
- quarterpack
  
  The customer is always right. I suppose it is the European Unions prerogative as a semi democratic organization to impose whatever conditions they want on their suppliers and our challenge to comply with those conditions. Similar situations are the imposition of halal animal slaughter practices in our export industries
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:35am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Quarter
    
    I know what you mean by the term semi democratic. That’s where the Europeans elect MPs who then elect a dictatorship !
    
    Listened to Craig Stobo tell Michael Laws that there is a possibility of NZ exporters to EU facing financial clawbacks if NZ doesn’t meet climate targets.
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:15am
    - Jethrod
      
      So what happens if the EU doesn’t make it’s own “climate change goals”?
      Do they just carry on an persecute us because they can , or do they say it’s our fault they haven’t met there targets or just roll over and say sorry.
      
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      October 8, 2024 4:58pm
- Grunter
  
  One of the main impacts into NZ companies from this will be banks and sources of finance. Essentially do this woke crap or no bank funding.
  
  Europe has no hope of economically surviving this nonsense. Capital goes where it is treated best.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:46am
- Grunter
  
  Furthermore, it is MANDATORY now for NZ banks to report this rubbish. The FMA runs the cutter over non-compliance. And part of that compliance is banks reporting their clients progress. Essentially a compulsory “dob in your customers” law.
  
  Full details on this link:
  https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/business/regulating-entities/mandatory-climate-related-disclosures
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:02am
- Burtland
  
  wow – serious overreach
  
  Companies which come under the scope of the Corporate Sustainability Due Diligence Directive (‘CSDDD’) will be required to assess their operations and supply chains for negative impacts on people and the planet.
  
  Specific requirements include:
  
  + Implementing transition plans to ensure that business models align with limiting global warming to 1.5°C.
  + Mitigating and preventing negative environmental and social impacts, including ending business relationships with upstream or downstream partners when these impacts cannot be mitigated.
  + Introducing a complaints mechanism system and meaningfully engaging with complainants.
  
  Victims of companies found liable for breaching their due diligence obligations will have the right to be compensated for damages suffered as a result of any breaches.
  
  https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/trade/mfat-market-reports/european-union-corporate-sustainability-due-diligence-february-2024
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:27am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Now look up the Cross Border Adjustment Mechanism! Europe is doomed.
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:05am
- GJM
  
  The EU is well known for non tarrif barriers. They use red tape, at which they are world experts, to add cost and difficulty to any one trying to sell into their market. It is a form of protectionism for EU hobby farmers in e.g France and Ireland.
  The US is simialr, but usually more subtle about it.
  
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  October 8, 2024 1:00pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “It requires any major business wanting to operate in the EU to meet a raft of woke social goals from climate nonsense, diversity hire, disinformation, gender, green energy, less water use and much more. Businesses can be fined, kicked out or even be sued by any pressure group for failing to comply.”
  
  It will only be a matter of years before the Europe project disintegrates then.
  
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  October 9, 2024 4:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

FEMA arrests Noah and impounds his Ark.

https://babylonbee.com/news/fema-arrests-noah-for-running-unauthorized-flood-rescue-operation?
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October 8, 2024 8:24am
- MCōs
  
  Noah rescued two of every species to continue the line
  That would have ruled out old soft cocks like you in favour of some virulent young Gloriavale types
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:00am
  - Geri Sjovik
    
    No he didn’t.
    
    Noah didn’t take two of every species on the Ark—only two of each “kind” of animal. The biblical “kind” is actually more like the “family” level of classification. That’s a lot fewer animals.
    
    The Bible says that God told Noah to take on the Ark two of every kind of animal, and seven pairs of the clean animals and flying creatures.
    
    The Bible states that Noah’s cargo was limited to land-dwelling animals in which was the breath of life (Genesis 7:15). This clearly excludes fish and other sea creatures, and it probably excludes the insects and other invertebrates.
    
    Recent studies estimate the total number of living and extinct kinds of land animals and flying creatures to be 1,398. With our “worst-case” scenario approach to calculating the number of animals on the Ark, this would mean that Noah cared for 6,744 animals.
    
    But that’s only if you believe the story.
    
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    October 8, 2024 9:24am
    - kowtow
      
      Good thing te media paahti weren’t there , they’d be blaming global warming.
      
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      October 8, 2024 9:54am
    - Swifty
      
      Do you?
      
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      October 8, 2024 10:06am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Knowing how much two dogs, two cats, two guinea pigs and a dozen chickens consume every day, I’ve always wondered how Noah managed to feed that lot for 40 days and 40 nights. And nobody mentions all the shit he would have had to shovel.
      
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      October 8, 2024 10:08am
      - Local Miller
        
        40 days and nights was just the deluge, they lived on the ark for closer to a year.
        
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        October 8, 2024 12:36pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “40 days and nights was just the deluge, they lived on the ark for closer to a year.”
        
        I wonder how they avoided scurvy (not to mention legion other diseases caused by nutrient deficiencies) then???
        
        If knowing “the truth” is so important, why are these stories so hard to believe (or even confirm)?
        
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        October 9, 2024 4:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Unicorns missed the boat.
      Pity Noah didn’t ban rabid leffties.
      
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      October 8, 2024 10:26am
      - imalwaysright
        
        The rain on the roof must have driven them nuts.
        
        I bet Shem brought earmuffs.
        
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        October 8, 2024 10:48am
    - G152
      
      That was stolen from the ‘Epic of Gilgamesh’
      Biggest vessels from that time are the Pharonic burial boats. About 100 feet long and 20 foot beam…
      
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      October 8, 2024 10:46am
      - Matt Long
        
        It’s always good to hear from eye witnesses who know things.
        
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        October 8, 2024 1:28pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    they would have imprisoned Noah for discriminating against Trans and Rainbow animals!
    
    Come to think of it, maybe thats how we lost T-Rex and Unicorns!
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:05am
- pdm
  
  Hell Steve that would be right up worksafes alley too.
  
  There must always be someone to blame.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, who did the Marine Survey?
    Where were the lifejackets and flares?
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:27am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Modern day Noah would not build an ark because he would understand that he could stop climate change by just paying more tax.
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:19am
  - Ghost
    
    Mars is our modern day ark, but only for humans
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:42am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Except for the Golgafrinchans, who will be releasing Ark B first, with all the most essential workers on it! HR professionals, DEI consultants, and telephone sanitisers (that last may, it turns out, have been an error!)
      
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      October 8, 2024 11:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Only for humans? wtf will they eat? Then crap – oh low atmosphere means it won’t stink.
      Take your own water.
      
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      October 8, 2024 5:49pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Mmmm Mars. All that lovely lethal radiation and extreme cold!
      
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      October 9, 2024 4:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Thousands Of Migrant Farmworkers Head North In Preparation For The Democrat Ballot Harvest. Democrats reported a record crop.

https://babylonbee.com/news/thousands-of-migrant-farmworkers-head-north-in-preparation-for-democrat-ballot-harvest?
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October 8, 2024 8:28am
- Bridgenag
  
  Critically Thinking about the Upcoming 2024 Election
  The American Experiment is at Stake
  
  https://open.substack.com/pub/criticallythinking/p/critically-thinking-about-the-upcoming?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“The Talk” about rigged Elections.

https://babylonbee.com/news/dad-decides-its-time-to-have-father-son-talk-about-the-facts-of-rigged-elections?
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October 8, 2024 8:30am
artemisia

Herald today (paywalled) Fast-track list blows cover on proposal to double Auckland Prison’s capacity

“The proposal has activists accusing the Government of trying to fast-track a “mega-prison” they believe will be dangerous for both staff and inmates.”

Thinking cap on. What could be a good solution to danger to inmates. Nope, nothing comes to mind.
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October 8, 2024 8:33am
- Matt Long
  
  Releasing violent prisoners into society is the best way to make prisoners and prison staff much safer. You failed to recognize the excellent strategic thinking progesives demonstrate.
  Might be a bit uncomfortable for the general public, but they and prisons are racist.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Let all of the prisoners out so prison staff are no longer required. That will save millions. Seriously, that is the way the do gooders think!
    
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    October 8, 2024 9:05am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      Emily Rakete is BIG on that concept……
      
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      October 8, 2024 9:36am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        (s)He is the activist artemisia mentions…
        
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        October 8, 2024 12:47pm
    - Paulus
      
      Nah ! isn’t that what little twit Little wanted -along with Te Pati and the Greens .
      Close all the prisons when soon emptied.
      There, Utopia, bollocks.
      
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      October 8, 2024 12:52pm
  - MCōs
    
    There are around three hundred prisoners with a sentence of prevention detention plus Tarrant.
    Otherwise all the others will be back on the streets sooner or later and half of them are back in prison within two years.
    Harsher sentences, more prisoners, bigger prisons
    What does it accomplish?
    
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    October 8, 2024 9:26am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      A Safer Society.
      
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      October 8, 2024 9:37am
    - Flossie
      
      Does it maybe keep the rest of us safer for longer?
      
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      October 8, 2024 9:46am
      - PurplePen
        
        If it keeps them off the streets until I’m nearly 6 feet under then yep .. that’s good policy.
        
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        October 8, 2024 5:21pm
    - Burtland
      
      yeah force all the non law breakers to create fortresses of their homes
      – 3m razor wire fences with dogs and security gates
      
      what sort of upside down reality is that – why do you hate western society?
      
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      October 8, 2024 10:02am
      - GJM
        
        No can’t do that. Self defence is defacto illegal in NZ. It is a health and safty hazard to the criminal classes.
        
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        October 8, 2024 1:52pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Violent criminals and Recidivists cost NZ far less in jail than walking the streets. Though they may cost the govt more to house in prison (a choice – prisons in NZ are very expensive when they don’t have to be), and it accordingly has a bias towards reducing sentences, but most of the costs of crime are actually imposed on members of the general public.
      
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      October 8, 2024 10:53am
      - PurplePen
        
        If the way central and local authority ends up with greatly over-priced and operated infrastructure I’d wager the cost per inmate could be significantly less.
        
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        October 8, 2024 5:23pm
    - rouppe
      
      What are your practical alternatives?
      
      Don’t say “rehabilitation”. That’s meaningless. Notwithstanding that many prisoners do not avail themselves of programmes are available to them.
      
      What practical, actual, steps to rehabilitate recidivists whose goal is to get the kudos of a prison stint before going back into the gang they came from?
      
      What actual steps if that person who has gone through a programme reoffends?
      
      I’d love it if we had near empty prisons. But that has to come with near zero crime.
      
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      October 8, 2024 11:11am
    - sirknz
      
      Look at El Salvador.
      
      Built a mega prison, locked up all the gang members they could find and the country has gone from being one of the most dangerous countries in South America, to now being one of the safest in a very short time.
      
      Heck, their folks who went to the USA for a better quality of life are heading back because it is now safer in El Salvador.
      
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      October 8, 2024 11:15am
      - PurplePen
        
        And that’s something I dislike about immigrants that come here to escape their shitty home country. There’s any number of media articles about how they are pleased to be in NZ and they’re NZers now and love the country and love their new life. What BS, we’re a transit lounge in the event their home country stops being shitty to humans.
        
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        October 8, 2024 5:27pm
    - artemisia
      
      More time to rehabilitate.
      
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      October 8, 2024 11:20am
    - Countrygirl
      
      If we send Tarrant back home to Australia that will be a cost saving of at least $1M a year. He could go next week.
      
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      October 8, 2024 5:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        So you want to release him and let him go free for his crimes? We do not have a prisoner transfer agreement with Australia. So you are setting him free
        
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        October 8, 2024 6:00pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      IMHO: Less violent psychopaths in the community, for longer periods. Elderly ex cons usually do not consider it worthwhile to take the risk of going back inside.
      
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      October 9, 2024 4:52pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Blows cover? Did this government not say prison capacity would be beefed up? Do dick of the media sensationalist bullshittery
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:37am
- Burtland
  
  one more item for the fast track list
  – naval salvage vessel to salvage the salvage vessel
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:12am
Simon

Advice: Looking for a Milford Asset Management equivalent in Australia. Retail fund. Something basic and solid.

Reason is to own investments in Australian dollars, compared to the NZ $.
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October 8, 2024 8:43am
- greybeard
  
  Going by today’s exchange rates I don’t blame you. Not much discussion about it though.
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:34am
- PurplePen
  
  Try this for researching fund managers. Sign up and you get free access to their fund screener .. along with their assessment of each. Unfortunately, there’s a bewildering number of funds. And as always, past blah blah is not indication of future blah.
  
  https://www.morningstar.com/mm/investor/etf-fund-stock-screener
  
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  October 8, 2024 5:33pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Have you had a look at Roger Montgomery’s funds?
  
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  October 9, 2024 4:55pm
bythesea

From the Fast Track Projects List,
https://waitahahydro.co.nz/
This is a “run of river” type 20MW hydro scheme to be located at Morgan’s Gorge on the Waitaha River a few kms south of Ross (on the SI West Coast)

Here we get to see what sort of consent objections were holding up projects.

In this case (according to the site) David Parker as Minister denied consent in 2019, not due to wildlife or most recreational activities, but kayaking specifically (the gorge is extreme kayaking). The company countered later with offering no-take days in conjuction with kayak groups but got no progress.

Also of interest is the project is a Westpower / Ngai Tahu partnership.

The site has a FAQ going over the obvious questions.

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In August 2019 David Parker’s office announced that the application had been declined.

In rejecting the application Parker noted that he was satisfied the effects on “birds, bats, lizards, invertebrates, vegetation, native fish, and other aquatic communities, sediment, and river morphology will be minor”.

In essence, Parker’s decision to reject the proposal was due to what were determined to be impacts on the “natural character” of the river and impacts on recreational opportunities.

Parker noted the access for trampers and hunters would likely improve as a result of a better access road near the track and improved access into the Waitaha Valley via track upgrades as a result of concessions being granted.

The decision to decline the application with regard to recreational values focussed on kayaking.
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October 8, 2024 9:00am
- Flossie
  
  We would not have the amazing rowing (presumably kayaking too?) facilities at Karapiro were it not for the hydro dam.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:51am
  - bythesea
    
    Yes and Lake Dunstan has lots of water recreation now.
    
    I think the main beneficiaries of this project would be for trampers and hunters getting up past the gorge.
    
    There is no dam or storage per se with this project, more like a small ponding area leading to the take off point
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:02am
    - PurplePen
      
      Could beneficiaries of NOT doing a project then pay fees to cover the loss of it not being done and their amenity being maintained.
      
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      October 8, 2024 5:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  87% of submissions from Forest and Bird.
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:39am
  - pdm
    
    All opposed.
    
    No surprises there.
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:11am
- muzled
  
  Went ‘hunting’ up there a few years back.
  
  Waste of time and money as doc had 1080’d the place to death.
  
  Not an animal in sight. Tussock over 6ft high in lots of places,
  
  Apart from the two whio they’d released up there of course.
  
  Given whio are even more sacred than taniwha I’d be amazed if FnB didn’t fight any developement of that river to the bitter end.
  
  Of course the lil duckies are miles upstream (by the top hut) but that won’t stop them screaming from the roof tops.
  
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  October 8, 2024 1:02pm
RockyJ

That navy ship would never have sunk off Samoa if real seaman had been in command. Just saying
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October 8, 2024 9:03am
- Ghost
  
  Perhaps you could tell us which of these didn’t have real seaman in charge of them as well.
  
  USS Connecticut Collision with a seamount
  KRI Nanggala Sinking
  South Korean submarine colliding with a merchant ship
  INS Arihant Flooding due to an open hatch
  ARA San Juan sinking
  HMS Ambush colliding with a merchant ship
  INS Sindhurakshak sinking
  USS Montpelier colliding with USS San Jacinto
  HMCS Corner Brook grounding
  HMS Astute grounding
  
  And the list goes on and on
  
  Here’s a big whoopsie. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/china-s-newest-attack-submarine-is-off-to-an-unlucky-start/ar-AA1rPWSV?ocid=BingNewsSerp
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:39am
  - kevn
    
    One way to get global attention…
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-10-07/too-many-women-wrong-places-again
    
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    October 8, 2024 9:45am
    - RockyJ
      
      I guess my lame sense of humour and word play is too subtle for some.
      
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      October 8, 2024 10:02am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Saying in the MN is that if a Grey Funnel vessel is seen approaching keep a good eye on it.
    
    3 most useless things on a ship??
    
    A step ladder
    An Umbrella
    And a Naval officer.
    
    The RN are gentlemen playing at sailors
    The MN are seamen playing at being Gentlemen
    And the P&O was neither trying v hard yo be both!!!
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:18am
  - Ghost
    
    The New Zealand Defence Force ship which has sunk after hitting a reef in Samoa was in a “maintenance period” before being deployed, the navy says.
    
    Article
    
    Reminds me of the interislander
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:35am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Looks like you’ve been doing the hard yards googling away in finding support for the sisterhood there Ghost.😛 But you do not know yourself which genders where actually responsible for those accidents?
    
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    October 9, 2024 5:01pm
    - Ghost
      
      You really are an idiot at times aren’t you exile. Because I’m not prepared to throw someone under the bus who serves this country without evidence I must be part of your retarded pathetic sisterhood crap you’ve invented. Grow up
      
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      October 9, 2024 11:13pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I was winding you up. That said, there does appear to be a chance that she’s a DEI hire a little too inexperienced. BUT, we shall see (unless there is a woke coverup, which would not be a huge surprise either). None of that necessarily reflects on her integrity or commitment though, as far as I’m concerned.
        
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        October 10, 2024 8:01pm
      - Ghost
        
        She doesn’t look like a DEI
        
        Article
        
        Her career began in the Royal Navy when she joined in 1993, after spending university holidays at a Sea Cadet facility in the Lake District.
        
        She spent most of her junior career at sea, including on the aircraft carrier HMS Invincible and the minehunters Walney, Bridport and Cromer, after specialising as a Mine Warfare Officer.
        
        After completing the Principal Warfare Officer course in 2004, she joined HMS Westminster as the PWO (Underwater) and Operations Officer, with operational experience in West Africa, Northern Europe and the Gulf.
        
        Following a posting to the Maritime Warfare Centre in Portsmouth, she took the opportunity in 2009 to work with the Royal Australian Navy at HMAS Watson, Sydney.
        
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        October 10, 2024 8:13pm
- Taieri
  
  That navy ship would never have sunk off Samoa if real seaman had been in command
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  That’s debatable as we don’t know yet what caused this sinking.
  As for being a “real seaman” Commander Grey doesn’t appear to be one. While this was her first command, her background is not in seamanship but in surface warfare and mine countermeasures, so she is/was very inexperienced as far as navigation, ship handling and general seamanship are concerned. Still, the loss of Manawanui was not necessarily her fault.
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:08am
  - Burtland
    
    the woke explanation … 🤡🎪
    
    ” it took men centuries and thousands of shipwrecks to master commanding ships without major incidents, and we should expect some losses as women, who think differently, learn the ropes and gain that experience too doing it their way.
    
    Losses are to be expected and they are ok especially if there’s no loss of life.
    
    We shouldn’t try to investigate this from a male perspective but learn lessons from a female perspective.”
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:19am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    PWOs are what used to be called Seamen Specialist Officers in the RN.
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:19am
  - Burtland
    
    39 crew + 40 passengers
    ———————-
    how many people does it take to do a survey?
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:29am
  - Paulus
    
    She is responsible like all Ship’s Captains.
    Perhaps she will have time to discuss with her Lady Husband.
    There appears to be only one Senior Navel Lady person left now with three now under something.
    Remember the New Zealand Army is now heded by a General Lady.
    
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    October 8, 2024 12:59pm
    - Countrygirl
      
      It’s her lady wife, just to be accurate. 😁
      
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      October 8, 2024 5:19pm
Tomtoddy

Thought this was quite good….

Grainwashing (noun): the process by which some have come to believe that the same method used by farmers to fatten pigs will make them thin and healthy.
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October 8, 2024 9:13am
Rusty

First the inter-island ferry runs a ground and now one of our navy ships.

What’s going on?
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October 8, 2024 9:15am
- mandk
  
  It’s because we are not paying Tangaroa enough koha.
  
  We just need to find the right Māori representative to pass on the money.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:51am
- imalwaysright
  
  Rusty
  Those rising sea levels can’t come soon enough !
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:52am
  - GJM
    
    Rising sea levls are the problem. The ship didn’t sink, rather the oceans rose and hence the ship is underwater.
    
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    October 8, 2024 2:08pm
- rjay
  
  Sea level not rising as quickly as the models show.
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:06am
  - Burtland
    
    if you pay someone to study sea level rise they will find sea level rise
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:31am
- kowtow
  
  Can crappy fuel stop ships engines.
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:48am
  - Taieri
    
    Can crappy fuel stop ships engines.
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    Yes. Happens quite often. I’ve had it happening to me several times.
    
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    October 8, 2024 1:04pm
- Countrygirl
  
  And now the other lot have run into the wharf.
  
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  October 8, 2024 5:20pm
- Jethrod
  
  What’s really going on is the gummint wants to get a two4one deal, so they now get a ferry and a navy ship with that S Korean shipbuilding they have upset.
  
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  October 8, 2024 5:42pm
Chuck Bird

I hope they find Tom Phillips and his children soon. when they do I hope they charge whoever has been helping him out. Police time had helicopters would have cost tens of thousands.
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October 8, 2024 9:22am
- MCōs
  
  Hundreds of thousands
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:28am
- Flossie
  
  The dollars spent is one thing but more importantly the mental health of the kids is at stake. After all this time there’s no doubt some lifelong damage has already been done.
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:22am
  - pdm
    
    Flossie can you be sure.
    
    We don’t know the full background to this and it is possible the kids may have thrived.
    
    A hell of a life for them for sure but sometimes it helps development.
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:14am
    - SWIM
      
      Those kids will certainly be tough resourceful little buggers!
      
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      October 8, 2024 11:34am
      - Ghost
        
        Well, thanks to the father one is a criminal involved in the crimes of the father, i wouldnt call that resourceful.
        
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        October 8, 2024 4:28pm
    - Burtland
      
      dont worry, there will be a Womans Weekly payout coming
      
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      October 8, 2024 4:18pm
  - bennerg
    
    Flossie, not having had access to “devices” to devolve their minds, having to learn to be self sufficient, innovative, and resourceful, I think would develop excellent minds and hearts. My grandparent’s generation were often brought up in environments like that and none suffered for it – quite the opposite.
    
    The back story on the mother has been withheld, and I’d posit that they we best away from her.
    
    There’s so many ways you can look at this, but it all goes back to some bureaucrat / social worker or whatever that got heavy handed and forced the situation to explode, and they did not de-escalate it the first time Tom and the kids came back home – they stuck to their guns thinking that they knew best, and look what happened ….?
    
    Obviously there are a large part of the community that support Tom, and I’d say as they know the whole story better than anyone else, they are better placed to judge the rights from the wrongs. I suspect the Police eventually read the room.
    
    And that’s not to mention the kids who obviously love their Dad. Anyone who has had kids knows if they didn’t want to be there, they’d find a way to be outa there pronto.
    
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    October 8, 2024 6:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“I was born in the middle class.” RFK jr.
The crowd loved it.

https://patriotpulse.net/kamala-harris-said-seven-words-that-just-came-back-to-bite-her/?
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October 8, 2024 9:27am
- kowtow
  
  The latest K Harris word salad , when the prompter went down , hasn’t gone mainstream, how very queer , why ever not.
  
  32 days ……
  
  Crickey ,she has nothing!
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:58am
  - SWIM
    
    But the betting agencies have her ahead by a nose??
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Saw that on Dan Bongino. She was a mess.
    
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    October 9, 2024 7:34am
MCōs

Why was the HMNZS Manawanui messing round in a foreign country?
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October 8, 2024 9:34am
- imalwaysright
  
  Mcos
  If they were messing around in NZ they wouldn’t need a boat.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:57am
- Grunter
  
  A very good question – why was it so important to have 1 of our 9 navy ships (now 8) in Samoa checking out a reef? If that’s deemed to be a security priority then we’re up Sihts Creek even more than I thought….!
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:07am
- Tarquin North
  
  Why did we name a ship after a bloke from Awanui?
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:31am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  NZ charts the pacific as the other countries do not have the resources to do it.
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:21am
  - MCōs
    
    It’s not the Pacific, it was part of Samoa the ship ran aground on and which is now being polluted with oil.
    Clearly we’re mapping their coast line at their request, maybe because if we don’t someone else will
    It’s hardly a humanitarian cause, I wouldn’t have thought
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:48am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘It’s hardly a humanitarian cause, I wouldn’t have thought’
      
      You want more ships running aground , endangering crews and cargo.
      
      Common sense .
      
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      October 8, 2024 11:51am
      - MCōs
        
        I want to know why 1/9th of our navy was doing this work in a foreign land?
        
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        October 8, 2024 5:42pm
  - Countrygirl
    
    Nor do we now.
    
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    October 8, 2024 5:22pm
- cmm
  
  More to the point:
  If you’re charting unknown reefs, then:
  * be hyper vigilant
  * make sure the engines are running well.
  * have a back up plan for loss of power
  * don’t yell at the look out for mansplaining when he says he sees a reef (ok, I made the last one up).
  
  These days mapping a reef does not need a $100M ship with 70+ people on board. All it needs is a 20 ft boat with a $3000 sidescan sonar. The ship’s boat is all that needs to go close to the reef – not the whole ship.
  
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  October 8, 2024 12:57pm
- Paulus
  
  Why couldn’t the reef etc Survey be done by a Commercial Company not our freebee ?Navy.
  Do we get paid for it ?
  If so under what contract ?
  
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  October 8, 2024 1:02pm
  - cmm
    
    It’s because they can use this as a “training exercise” so is considered free. A bit like Cindy’s breast feeding flight.
    
    I would think that RV Tangaroa is far better for the job. It has sub sea scanning capabilities etc.
    
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    October 8, 2024 2:36pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Why don’t they just sent an Orion over the area – those planes have all sorts of exotic equipment for very accurately establishing locations, depths etc.
      
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      October 8, 2024 2:50pm
Biscuit

I live in fear…

The little fella next door knows that I told him I’d take him to a movie during these school holidays.

Just looked at the ‘menu’ on offer.

I am about 256.67% convinced he is going to choose TRANSFORMERS ONE:

TRANSFORMERS ONE is the untold origin story of Optimus Prime and Megatron, better known as sworn enemies, but once were friends bonded like brothers who changed the fate of Cybertron forever. In the first-ever fully CG-animated Transformers movie, TRANSFORMERS ONE features a star-studded voice cast, including Chris Hemsworth, Brian Tyree Henry, Scarlett Johansson, Keegan-Michael Key, Steve Buscemi, with Laurence Fishburne, and Jon Hamm.

Pray for me!
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October 8, 2024 9:36am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Hey, stop complaining some of use put up with Agent Cody Banks (1 and 2)…..
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:38am
  - Local Miller
    
    My kids and I loved Agent Cody Banks. Good tongue in cheek action.
    
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    October 8, 2024 12:51pm
- pdm
  
  You go Biscuit and I bet he reminds you it is your turn to buy the lollies and popcorn.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:44am
- Gravelroad
  
  Take noise cancelling ear muffs.
  Believe me.
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:25am
- Local Miller
  
  A friend of mine went to see this with his son. According to him it was pretty good, so you may not need prayer.
  Biscuit, do you even believe in prayer?
  
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  October 8, 2024 12:50pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Movie pirating seems to have destroyed the movie industry. For the last 15 or so years we mostly get B grade comic book themes suitable for the 12 year old brain. I know grown adults in “professional” roles who watch this kind of drivel in their time off.
  
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  October 9, 2024 5:09pm
Biscuit

Ah you all know me: I ‘whinge’ at anything.

Times are tough here, mind, pdm. And me a poor ol’ pensioner, too.

Wellington’s glorious rugby side topped the NPC standings and hence will get to host that comp’s Quarterfinal this Friday and, all going well, the Semifinal next week and then the Final the week after that.

The expense(s) will be HORRIFIC.

Will DPF – or his mods – tolerate a Crowdfund exercise for me, heh?
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October 8, 2024 10:02am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  But Biscuit – surely Greater Wellington Regional Council (aka the ratepayer) will provide you with free travel, practically to the Stadium front door?
  
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  October 8, 2024 10:11am
- pdm
  
  Biscuit – do you really trust Wellington to win a q/f.
  
  Tell me how many matches they held the shield for last season?
  
  Not many compared to Hawkes Bay you say – thought so.
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:16am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Was going to say Counties/M have a habit of being spoilers ….. 🙂
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:19am
- Countrygirl
  
  Biscuit, have you made arrangements with the bank before heading to the movie theatre?
  
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  October 8, 2024 5:24pm
Pope Punctilious II

Duncan Greivance talks up CEOs’ apparent lack of enthusiasm for Seymour’s pushback against Maorification of our institutions.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/08-10-2024/the-business-community-has-no-time-for-seymours-culture-wars?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
The article is revealing on two counts. Firstly, that an unscrupulous hard leftist is so ready to praise big business when he thinks they’re useful. Secondly, some of the quotes in Greivance’s article show that NZ’s overpaid CEO’s will happily sell this country down the river if they think there’s a buck to be made.
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October 8, 2024 10:31am
- Swifty
  
  Well said.
  
  Yes, I’d value the opinion of the man and woman in the street over CEOs, with regard to these sorts of matters, any day of the week.
  
  Look at how the CEOs have prostituted themselves over DEI, trans stuff, Maori wonderfulness etc etc etc – even when privately many if not most of them personally oppose such matters.
  
  They lack integrity.
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:47am
- kowtow
  
  here’s a shock headline for the commos at the spoofoff .
  
  lefty reporter aligns with neo liberal capitalist running dog oppressors of the working people.
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:54am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    As if the Spoofoff cares about the (white) working class.
    
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    October 8, 2024 1:04pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Gosh what a pathetic Soviet style piece of pure propaganda. Hopefully the spankoff will soon crash and burn (figuratively of course) like all the other purveyors of bent lefty BS.
  
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  October 9, 2024 5:14pm
rangitoto

So the NZ government paid US$69 million for a 15 year old oil rig tender valued by shipbrokers at US$19 million. The Norwegian owners must have had a great laugh on the way to the bank.
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October 8, 2024 10:55am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Just like the directors of Toll did when Labour bought Kiwirail back. Toll’s CEO is reported to have said at the time “You only get one Helen Clark in your corporate lifetime”!
  
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  October 8, 2024 12:50pm
  - Paulus
    
    Actually I understand it was Michael Cullen they thanked profusely, as they could not find a bigger twit.
    Annual Toll Champage Board Day is still observed in Melbourne.
    
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    October 8, 2024 1:05pm
- Local Miller
  
  Have you got a link to this?
  
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  October 8, 2024 12:55pm
  - rangitoto
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZMn8MMaUAAZXXY?format=jpg&name=large
    
    Reported in Trade Winds back in 2018. They spent another NZ$40million or so on the refit. That part is fair enough.
    
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    October 8, 2024 1:26pm
  - Taieri
    
    Tradewinds article:
    
    https://www.tradewindsnews.com/new-zealand-navy-pays-69m-for-ostensjo-osv/2-1-403240
    
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    October 8, 2024 1:45pm
    - MCōs
      
      It appears Ostensjo did the fitout as part of the deal, but the article peters out without a subscription
      So without all the info that article isn’t worth much
      
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      October 8, 2024 5:35pm
Ghost

Damn good billboard

Article

A new billboard that has sparked backlash reads: “Back to being a respectable meth smoking, sex worker loving doctor then. Yeah right.”
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October 8, 2024 10:59am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  I love the billboard! What a shame Tui backed down – we’re so terrified of offending people in this country.
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:12am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    It doesn’t matter, its on the net now forever….lol.
    
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    October 8, 2024 11:57am
- David Garrett
  
  Ghost: That’s brilliant! Nothing there is either false or defamatory; it emerged even before the murder trial that he was indeed a meth user who had paid $300,000 to various hookers. Truth BTW is a complete defence to a defamation action.
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:13am
  - cmm
    
    I suspect they have one of the brethren on their “creative team” to keep them right on the line between edginess and liability.
    
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    October 8, 2024 12:08pm
  - Paulus
    
    Hookers have kept many economies going for thousands of years.
    So what is new ? – the media who at best are cheap prostitutes,
    
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    October 8, 2024 1:08pm
- Anthony Melchett
  
  You try explaining to an 8 year old what a sex worker is then.
  
  It’s neither funny nor appropriate.
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:55am
  - Burtland
    
    theyre upstanding members of the community – cindy gave one the big gong
    
    explain that to your 8yr old or a devout Muslim
    
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    October 8, 2024 4:30pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Seems a tad too activist and personal to me. Like it or not, he’s been deemed not guilty right? That’s not what the Tui ads used to be about. The fingerprints of woke sticky fingers appear to be over this one.
  
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  October 9, 2024 5:29pm
imalwaysright

Our police force scores another scalp.

New World (south island) supermarkets have had their liquor licenses suspended today, for 48 hrs, for selling DB Export gold for 25 cents a dozen cheaper than allowed !

Sleep easy NZ !
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October 8, 2024 11:06am
- peterwn
  
  Everyone is complaining about high prices and we are now witnessing a retailer being clobbered for selling stuff too cheap. How stupid!
  It was like industrial relations law years ago that forebade employers paying their top employees above-award wages (this still persists in state and integrated schools – pay increases are generally based on years in the profession as the teaching unions think that teaching skills are proportional to length of service).
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:50am
- cmm
  
  In the long run it is probably good advertising:
  
  Booze prices so low they’re illegal!
  
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  October 8, 2024 12:31pm
NothingLeft

For those into election tea-leaf reading Rasmussen pollster on recent US election polling trends: https://youtu.be/YjoH0eCH45U

Betting markets now starting to meaningfully favor Trump.
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October 8, 2024 11:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What the hell is happening in America with the Biden Admin?
Hurricane Helena damage in North Carolina is being covered up by FEMA. FEMA has run out of money. No spaces left in what morgues are still available. Families burying bodies in their back yards.
Joe still giving money to Ukraine? Govt still paying illegals? This is America for fuck’s sake! The American dream is fucked.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/grieving-north-carolina-families-blast-fema-for-hurricane-cover-up/ss-AA1rQDdf?
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October 8, 2024 11:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Joe and Jill Biden send message of hope to those impacted by Hurricane Helene.
  “No matter how you vote, we help each other when disaster strikes because we are one United States of America,” the First Lady said.
  So. Full. Of. Shit.
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/joe-and-jill-biden-send-message-of-hope-to-those-impacted-by-hurricane-helene/ar-AA1rQMEx?
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:37am
- Ghost
  
  I can’t recall a hurricane where fema hasn’t had issues. Now they have another due to hit florida
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:38am
  - cmm
    
    Certainly, it is the very nature of the beast that there are problems caused by hurricanes.
    
    But this is a supreme failing – worse than the Army Corps of Engineers failing with Hurricane Kartrina.
    
    While FEMA can’t find its arse with both hands, the state and private resources are faring far better.
    
    Florida sorted most of its problems out quickly then went to help other states.
    
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    October 8, 2024 12:34pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Musk was claiming that FEMA were blocking his company from providing free Starlink terminals to assist in areas with comms cut off.
      
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      October 8, 2024 12:41pm
      - cmm
        
        I wonder to what extent that is true.
        
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        October 8, 2024 1:06pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      If natural disasters could be prolonged with bullets and missiles we would have a never ending supply.
      It doesn’t matter who dies, it only matters who pays.
      
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      October 8, 2024 1:06pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Seems the whole approach of a disaster response Federal Emergency Management Agency is a failure. People who sit around 99% of the time doing nothing, are ill prepared when a crisis happens.
      
      What you need is people who spend 99% of the time fixing similar problems on a day to day basis who are pulled in 1% of the time to deal with emergencies.
      
      US military (with all their experience in remote logistics under difficult constraints) + enormous civil works workforce seem like a better bet than the endless cockup that is FEMA.
      
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      October 8, 2024 2:54pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        First two paragraphs is of course New Zealand
        
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        October 8, 2024 5:56pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Yes Steve, the US Dems are laundering money through Ukraine and they are also laundering money though Israel, yet there is no money to help the American people.
  
  At what point do people realise that they are being conned.
  
  It seems that its only those in the third world that have the common sense to see this when it happens to them, then they rebel and overthrow the despots.
  We in the rest of the world seem content to complain and carry on with the status quo.
  
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  October 8, 2024 11:55am
  - kevn
    
    iam… Indeed.
    https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1843374379373306121
    
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    October 8, 2024 12:20pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Kevn
      “Misinformation” seems to be the new ‘get out of jail free’
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      October 8, 2024 12:44pm
- cmm
  
  “The American dream is fucked.”
  It has been for a long time. It is living on the credit card of federal debt.
  
  $30 per person per day of extra debt being added. Every person: man, woman or child, legal or illegal. Every sodding day.
  
  The Americans are used to that level of spending and feel entitled to it. There is no way they are going to meaningfully reduce that over spending – let alone pay off the $35 trillion in debt, many times that in personal debt and many, many times that in unfunded liabilities.
  
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  October 8, 2024 12:06pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Franklin Graham’s organisation Samaritan’s Purse has delivered 67 helicopter loads of relief supplies to isolated areas in North Carolina. He’s partnered with Elon Musk as well to deliver Starlink kits to people with no other means of communication.
  
  https://x.com/Franklin_Graham/status/1843092574510387450
  
  Biden, Harris and Walz have been missing in action when charities are having to step in because the government won’t.
  
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  October 8, 2024 12:58pm
  - MCōs
    
    Samaritan’s Purse pays Graham an annual salary of around $NZ1mil which is not to be sneezed at, plus he derives a similar salary from the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.
    Guy must work hard
    
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    October 8, 2024 2:22pm
  - Hollyfield
    
    Supplies are also being delivered to remote houses by mule train:
    https://www.wral.com/story/where-humans-can-t-mules-can-how-mules-are-saving-the-day-by-reaching-western-nc-s-most-inaccessible-communities/21661157/
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/8586513528077157
    
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    October 8, 2024 3:02pm
Swifty

That’s odd. I could have sworn that in the immediate aftermath of the assault on Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull the attacker exclaimed on social media how proud she was of her act and how she would take her lumps.

I distinctly remember her repeatedly using the word ‘Slaaaaay….”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350442955/trans-rights-activist-appeals-conviction-after-pouring-tomato-juice-posie-parker

It seems she’s had a change of heart.

Well tough. She got off lightly as it is with a conviction and discharge. If it was me I would have given her a meaningful custodial sentence – to ‘send a message’ as they say, that committing assaults to prevent the free exchange of ideas and the right for New Zealanders to hear those ideas, will not be tolerated.
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October 8, 2024 12:01pm
- muzled
  
  He.
  
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  October 8, 2024 1:42pm
  - Swifty
    
    Not true, apparently.
    
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    October 8, 2024 2:11pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      A genuine intersex person apparently. No idea what pronoun that leads to…
      
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      October 8, 2024 6:06pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yes, that’s what I understand is the situation.
        
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        October 8, 2024 8:55pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Pronouns are just a way for jumped up people to try to bully others into their little games. With the various dating platforms and meetup ups, there is something for all tastes. Do we really need to know what everyone’s private sexual stuff is???? NO WE DON’T.
        
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        October 9, 2024 5:18pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        That was supposed to be “meetup APPS” 😣
        
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        October 9, 2024 5:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They/them
    
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    October 8, 2024 5:59pm
- Hollyfield
  
  I recall an interview with I think HDPA where the attacker appeared very pleased with herself. She bragged that she was prepared to face any consequences because she was in the right and she would do it again. Then she fled the country…..
  
  She has also been reported of being fearful of “fascism taking control of this world”. Maybe she should take a look in the mirror and reflect on just who is denying someone else the right to speak, and others to listen.
  
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  October 8, 2024 3:16pm
  - Swifty
    
    Quite right Hollyfield.
    
    She’s clearly full of shit.
    
    Her stances are hopefully incoherent, as you say, and she clearly doesn’t live her principles.
    
    She is completely lacking in self-awareness it seems.
    
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    October 8, 2024 4:30pm
- artemisia
  
  “The conviction will have an impact on her ability to travel for work and gain employment in pharmacy.”
  
  And suddenly the reason for the appeal and associated sob story becomes crystal clear.
  
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  October 8, 2024 4:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Email from Hobson’s Pledge.
Submissions on MACA, Marine and Coastal Area.
“Making things even more challenging is the fact that the Justice Committee is doing its best to prevent your submission. They will not accept email submissions and are saying that everyone has to use their webform. This would prevent you from being able to use our easy tool.
We create these tools because of how onerous it can be to use the Parliamentary process. We provide the points that we think are important and you can pick and choose those that you agree with as well as enter your own text.” says the email from Don Brash.
“It is almost like the Justice Committee doesn’t want submissions on the Bill. They certainly want to place roadblocks in the way.
We offered to provide them with one file containing all submissions but they said that was too much of an administrative burden. Our alternative is simply to collect all of the submissions and then print every single one… I suspect that will be more of an administrative burden for the select committee staff.”

https://www.saveourshores.nz/
On the link there is a map showing areas subject to negotiation and areas showing claims in the Courts. Want to lose your beach and fishing spots?
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- Blog-aholic
  
  Making a submission is as easy as sending an email.
  
  Make it in your own words that essentially that effectively ignoring the legal necessity for the exclusivity requirement, the need for continuity and the scope of what can constitute a substantial interruption makes the judges at odds with the law and that in ignoring these these sames judges are literally giving iwi control of almost the entire coastline and in doing so are denying the rights of all New Zealanders to said marine environs.
  
  Muriel Newman has a good article on it in her NZCP R blog
  
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  October 8, 2024 12:33pm
- MCōs
  
  “We provide the points”
  
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  October 8, 2024 2:04pm
- Ghost
  
  Good, these websites that do mass submissions are easy to ignore, as happened under labour.
  
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  October 8, 2024 2:09pm
  - MCōs
    
    Reminds me of the information requests sent to Hamilton City Council a few years back
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/440245/taxpayers-union-oias-to-hamilton-council-cost-60k-in-staff-time
    
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    October 8, 2024 5:17pm
Bobba Fret

What grounds for an appeal? I hope the judge kicks it out. And who is paying for the lwayer?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350442955/trans-rights-activist-appeals-conviction-after-pouring-tomato-juice-posie-parker
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October 8, 2024 12:25pm
Jack5

As Catholic churches burn in Canada, some are questioning belief that thousands of indigenous children died at church residential schools.

Since “ground-penetrating radar” indicated 215 children were buried at a former residential school site in British Columbia, between 2021 and 2022 more than 2,000 unmarked graves were supposedly discovered at other former residential school sites, and media reports culminated in an apology from the Pope in 2022.

This has led to the burning down of more than 30 Catholic churches, mainly in British Columbia.

But, Canadian columnist Michael Taube writes in the Telegraph that three years later, no remains have been exhumed and identified, leading to scepticism about the initial claims. He says:

… for some on the Left, hatred of Christianity is growing stronger. They reject traditional religious beliefs and institutions associated with Christianity. They deplore what they perceive as authoritarian leadership among Catholic priests related to the tragic history of residential schools.

Canadian Broadcasting Corporation report:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/why-dozens-churches-canada-torched-032014185.html
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October 8, 2024 12:36pm
- Inandout
  
  JACK, their religion is Marx and their bible Das Kapital. Observe how they chant their mantras, minus of course any sense of compassion, just hatred.
  
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  October 8, 2024 1:16pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Gee – you must know a lot about Catholicism.
    Let’s consider this – the Catholic scriptures were composed mainly in the 1st, 2nd & 3rd. centuries. The Old Testament Jewish scriptures which form part of the bible are up to 3500 years old.
    So tell me – when did Marx live, again ?
    
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    October 8, 2024 3:08pm
    - peterwn
      
      You mean Christian scriptures (ie the New Testament) rather than [just] Catholic scriptures.
      
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      October 8, 2024 5:23pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        They were Catholic scriptures until the 16th.century having been made canonical by Jerome and the early Church Fathers, then the protestant revolt occurred, but the protestants continued the principal beliefs of the scriptures, so maintained Christianity.
        But I take your point – it was first at Antioch where “they were called Christians” – but the term “Catholic” had been in use at that time – it meaning universal.
        
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        October 8, 2024 7:48pm
- Taieri
  
  between 2021 and 2022 more than 2,000 unmarked graves were supposedly discovered at other former residential school sites
  ————–
  
  If The Spectator is to be believed no actual remains have ever been excavated.
  
  https://thespectator.com/topic/lack-indigenous-mass-graves-canada/
  
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  October 8, 2024 1:51pm
  - kowtow
    
    What has happened is te media feverishly reported “mass graves” when there were only ground radar anomalies .
    Then they dug and found …….sfa.
    
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    October 8, 2024 4:09pm
- Jake Dee
  
  The “Mass grave of indigenous children at residential schools” is a fascinating story and well worth looking into.
  That story went around the world, to the highest levels of government and was covered in the most prestigious publications.
  Today we laugh at the medieval people who seriously believed in ghosts and witches flying on broomsticks but even today with our modern technology we are still all capable of mass hallucinations.
  Another thing worth watching is how the story will be quietly walked back, then forgotten about and all those involved will deny they ever said any such thing and if they did, well it was somebody else’s fault.
  “It is easier to fool the people, than to convince them they have been fooled.” ― Mark Twain
  
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  October 8, 2024 6:03pm
Jack5

A challenge for Otago University’s $629,000-a-year vice-chancellor, former MP Grant Robertson.

The mother of a 19-year-old student, Sophia Crestani, who died in a crush at a Dunedin student party says:

“The Dunedin student culture of overcrowded parties, excessive alcohol and drug consumption, anti social and risky behaviour is accepted as normal. It must continue to improve.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530114/sophia-crestani-coroner-finds-death-of-student-at-dunedin-flat-likely-preventable
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October 8, 2024 12:49pm
Taieri

A very fitting epitaph from Mike Hosking:

“…the Prime Minister who ran the country into the ground then scarpered to write a book and wander the speaking circuit, creaming it by making money from her ineptitude and our subsequent economic misfortune”

“…a fly-by-nighter who came second in one election, locked us down for the second, buggered it up in record fashion and then fled to make a fortune telling people how kind she is.”

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/10/mikes-minute-we-will-never-not-be.html
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October 8, 2024 1:31pm
- AitchW
  
  The sad thing is that people believe her, in fact pay to hear her word salad.
  
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  October 8, 2024 6:28pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  She’s an undeniable talent
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:02pm
  - peterwn
    
    So did Squealer (‘Animal Farm’s’ propaganda pig).
    
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    October 9, 2024 9:47am
kevn

Meanwhile in Samoa..
https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/its-a-full-blown-scandal-the-samoan-observer-reports-the-kiwis-have-not-done-a-thing-to-help-them-c
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October 8, 2024 1:35pm
- Ghost
  
  Maritime New Zealand are there with their spill kits. divers there
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018958853/nz-to-help-samoa-with-clean-up-after-manawanui-sinks
  
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  October 8, 2024 1:46pm
  - kevn
    
    Remember the ‘Rena’ container ship that went down off Mt Maunganui in 2011?
    
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    October 8, 2024 4:40pm
    - Ghost
      
      If you listen to that interview you can hear from the person who helped lead the Rena recovery and cleanup
      
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      October 8, 2024 4:53pm
- Taieri
  
  Robert MacCulloch is a little bit hysterical there…
  
  “Why didn’t they stay in Samoa and help pick up some of the thousands of tons of plastic and rubbish and diesel that they left behind?”
  
  It doesn’t work like that. Maritime oil spill clean up is a highly specialized job, which requires skilled personnel and specialized equipment. The latter is not something easily found in an average RNZN person’s back pocket. It takes a while to organize, collect and deliver to the place as remote as Samoa and it takes a while to deploy.
  
  Besides, what “thousands tons of rubbish and plastic”? The quantities of “rubbish and plastic” will be negligible as most of it is being incinerated on board. The problem is fuel, hopefully most of it is still contained in the ship’s tanks. Pumping it out won’t be easy. Or quick.
  
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  October 8, 2024 2:02pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  What a load of tosh.
  
  They had oil spill equipment up on the way the next day.
  
  Of course there is stuff floating there it is known as flotsam, occurs after all sinkings.
  
  The fuel oil will be marine diesel and this will dissipate v fast.
  
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  October 8, 2024 3:58pm
Ghost

Whoops

Bluebridge ferry has bumped into the wharf in Picton.

A Port Marlborough spokesperson confirmed the crash on Tuesday, saying the ship – the MV Connemara – had ripped a fender, or shock absorber, off the wharf

Article
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October 8, 2024 2:00pm
- SoloView
  
  @ Ghost
  In the linked article it seems it was allowed to sail after its last power failure without the cause being resolved…
  Maybe it lost power again //
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bluebridge-cook-strait-ferry-connemara-that-lost-power-returns-to-service/VKN3MRTJGZDODLE33KDNI2XCSE/
  
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  October 8, 2024 2:24pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    I find it difficult in this day and age, and the level of technology and analytical skills that they were not able to find the cause of the previous power loss.
    
    There is not explanation possible that addresses this degree of ineptitude.
    
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    October 8, 2024 7:37pm
- greybeard
  
  Typical “Stuff” hyperbole: was it a “crash” or was it a “bump” ?
  None of the crew or passengers seem too bothered.
  “Stuff” gets worse by the day.
  
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  October 8, 2024 2:32pm
  - greybeard
    
    Update: “Stuff” have now changed their headline to read “Bumps” instead of “Crashes” !
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350444012/bluebridge-ferry-bumps-picton-wharf-high-winds
    
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    October 8, 2024 3:26pm
- Taieri
  
  That’s what the fenders are for. To absorb bumps. All that’s happened there is a parted chain. Happens. Big deal indeed.
  
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  October 8, 2024 6:48pm
Ghost

This is wrong. The victims want the name released. I wonder if he’s worried more will come forward

A prominent former political figure found guilty of eight sex crimes dating back to the 1990s has taken his bid for continued name suppression to the High Court.

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October 8, 2024 2:05pm
Tauhei Notts

Betfair odds for Trump versus Kackling One.
Trump back to favourite at $1.97.
Harris has been favourite since 11th September, except for a minor blimp on 3rd and 4th October.
My bet on Trump, @ $1.50, made in mid July is not looking so bad, now.
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October 8, 2024 4:32pm
Sparrow

It gets worse if story correct. New Hercules has problems in Samoa.
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October 8, 2024 4:55pm
- Ghost
  
  No it doesn’t get worse
  
  It had a bird strike. They aborted take off, checked for damage, found none and continued their mission.
  
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  October 8, 2024 5:09pm
  - kowtow
    
    and the bird?
    
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    October 8, 2024 7:16pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Sparrow’s just fine
      
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      October 8, 2024 9:04pm
Sparrow

Thanks Ghost that’s good news.
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October 8, 2024 5:21pm
Sparrow

Not a great time for Samoan fauna.
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October 8, 2024 5:40pm
Ghost

Sounds like Lorde has some competition. YouTube
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October 8, 2024 8:05pm
Tony Stuart

Roy Morgan poll has the coalition Government increasing its lead over Labour, the Greens and TPM.

That ticking sound you hear is time running out on Chris Hipkins’ political career…
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- Ghost
  
  Good thing for hipkins is I don’t think anyone wants the job
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:39pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Yes I can’t imagine anyone wanting Labour’s poisoned chalice until much closer to the next election.
    
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    October 8, 2024 9:25pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I’m sure there are plenty of Chloe or Jacinda types just champing at the bit.
      
      Unfortunately.
      
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      October 9, 2024 5:33pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  I certainly hope not, he is the gift that keeps giving and needs to remain in pace until at least the next election which he can fight on the basis of his preferred policies such as He Pua Pua, increased inflation, increased taxes and more government spending.
  
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