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NeverMindTheBollocks

The general taxpayer should not be buying out Dunedin house owners. Instead, Council should be spending more on pumping infrastructure. It’s one of their primary purposes after all, though they may have forgotten that.
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October 8, 2024 8:02am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Isn’t the border czar doing well?
13,000 convicted murderers running loose ; not detained.
Notice that nobody is trying to assassinate her.

https://patriotpulse.net/one-letter-detailed-the-scary-number-of-killer-illegal-aliens-kamala-harris-let-into-america/?
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October 8, 2024 8:04am
- Simon
  
  13,000 killers are a by product of importing a voting base for the Dems. The Democratic party is an open criminal organization.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:35am
- Scott
  
  Scary stuff Steve, thanks for posting it. I would suggest Kamala Harris is doing what the democrats want a border czar to do. Hold the door open while millions and millions of people walk into the United States.
  
  It’s a simple plan. Allow millions of illegal aliens to come across the border. Give them housing and food. Give them ID so they can get on the voting rolls.
  Confidently expect them to vote democrat. And there you have it. Millions of illegal aliens voting Democrat!
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is talk of with a Democrat win it will be the last Election of the Republic. The way some think Harris and co will head means the Republic destroyed and the Constitution abandoned altogether. A dictatorship controlled by the deep state.
    Someone who is quite capable is very quiet at the moment – Barrack Obama.
    Wrong? I don’t know.
    
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    October 8, 2024 10:04am
- RoboRob
  
  Near zero coverage of those stunning figures in the US (excl Fox). Its like the legacy media dont want people to know.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:06am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  There was over 100 terrorist on the terror watch list as well, but nah
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:34am
Grunter

“I know not with what weapons WWW3 will be fought, but WWW4 will be fought with sticks and stones”
– Albert Einstein (early 1950’s)
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October 8, 2024 8:07am
Bridgenag

Paul Frew MLA
Jeff Peel in Conversation with Northern Ireland Assembly Member Paul Frew on the proposed ‘Public Health’ law in Northern Ireland

“The proposed Health Bill is being trail-blazed at a time when Northern Ireland – in common with other parts of the UK and Ireland – is wrestling with the destruction caused by “pandemic” response. Rates of suicide among young people have spiralled, vaccine injury has been ignored or brushed under the carpet, and the health service is dealing with chronic waiting lists for a host of procedures.”

https://www.thenewera.uk/p/paul-frew-mla?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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October 8, 2024 8:15am
- Paulus
  
  Are we not hearing that what are a large number illegal immigrants to the UK, have camped into Ireland so they can go freely to the EC from there ?
  It is only now the Irish Government has woken up with another headache.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:23am
- MCōs
  
  Here is some suicide data for England and Wales going back to 1980
  https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2023#:~:text=There%20were%206%2C069%20suicides%20registered,highest%20rate%20seen%20since%201999.
  Here is some suicide data for Northern Ireland to the end of 2022
  https://www.nisra.gov.uk/system/files/statistics/Suicide%20Statistics%202022%20Report.pdf
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:47am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

FBI dragging the chain? The assassin at Butler had 3 phones with encrypted accounts. The second guy apparently had 6. The FBI have not cracked any.
Thing is the FBI had no trouble breaking into the apps following the J6 events.

https://patriotpulse.net/donald-trump-dropped-a-scary-bombshell-about-assassins-trying-to-kill-him/?
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October 8, 2024 8:16am
- Matt Long
  
  The thing is Steve, the Jan 6 “insurrectionists” weren’t the type of people to have heavily encrypted accounts on their phones, apart from people who might have been there for false flag purposes.
  The would be assassins are likely tools of sophisticated agencies, so would have state of the art encryption. And perhaps, like the Biden Hunter laptop, the FBI isn’t trying to hard. Who would know?
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The “insurrectionists” where Trump rally infiltrators.
    Look at Ray Epps, look at the idiot with the horns. Those sorts do not normally go to Trump rallies.
    
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    October 8, 2024 8:55am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Worth noting that the “violent gun toting redneck deplorables” who, so the Dems tell us, came to overthrow the government, didn’t bring any guns!
    
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    October 8, 2024 8:56am
Bridgenag

Fear and Loathing in New Normal Germany

“The first rule of New Normal Germany is, you do not compare New Normal Germany to Nazi Germany. If you do that, New Normal Germany will punish you. It will sic the Federal Criminal Police on you. It will report you to its domestic Intelligence agency. It will ban your books. It will censor your Tweets. It will prosecute you on fabricated “hate-crime” charges.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/cjhopkins/p/fear-and-loathing-in-new-normal-germany?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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October 8, 2024 8:17am
- Inandout
  
  Bridge, Germans have a natural inclination toward being regimented. We once hosted for a year a 15 year old German student and she showed us her ‘temporary citizen photo ID’ which became permanent when she reached 18. At that time in Germany a Sunday was reserved for family and only service stations and necessary shops remained open. This was of course before the Muslim immigrant flood but we got the impression this student would always do what she was told, without question.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:46am
Biscuit

I was just reading TVNZ’s presser about their proposed cost-cutting exercise(s).

That presser included this:

‘In May, TVNZ axed long-running and celebrated current affairs programmes Fair Go and Sunday. It also axed roles from Re: News and other parts of its business.’

Now, not being nasty or anything, has anyone NOTICED the absence of the programmes that have been axed?
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October 8, 2024 8:17am
- Grunter
  
  TVNZ has been completely absent from my screen for at least 2 years – I don’t miss any of it.
  
  It will be gone for good when this last bucket of taxpayer money runs dry.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:38am
- redeye
  
  Innovative lot at TVNZ. They are now planning to be the only news organisation in the world with no online presence.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:42am
- MCōs
  
  Sunday — Yes
  Fair Go — No so much
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:52am
  - Biscuit
    
    Mmmm, MCōs.
    
    I generalise, of course, but I always found Sunday to be basically a rehash of stories from overseas.
    
    And Fair Go seemed to have degenerated into a ‘We’re right, you’re wrong’ standover programme.
    
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    October 8, 2024 9:03am
    - Tarquin North
      
      It used to be funny but has slowly turned into a hideous wokefest as the years have gone by. It was definitely time for it to go. Seven sharp and any home grown comedy involving the usual unfunny comedians should follow.
      
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      October 8, 2024 9:22am
    - pdm
      
      Even so it was a bloody sight more watchable than the awful Hilary Barry and Jeremy Wells of 7 Blunt infamy.
      
      Nauseating springs to mind most nights but mrspdm seems to tolerate it. Me I clear the bench, fill the dishwasher and then find something else to do.
      
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      October 8, 2024 9:37am
      - Dodger
        
        yes likewise pdm.
        
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        October 8, 2024 9:43am
- Blog-aholic
  
  No, not by any measure.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:54am
- RoboRob
  
  I watched the ‘previews’ of what they are covering on 1 news last night, noticed they didn’t include the TVNZ changes and switched to 3 news (for the first time ever) just to see the detail. Did they actually cover it on 1 news or did they pretend it wasn’t happening?
  
  p.s. I see the terrible Loyd Burr managed to keep land a job on Stff / 3 news. Omg, so many of better options and thet chose hime. DEI hire?
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:10am
- kowtow
  
  Wouldn’t it be something if te media spent as much time reporting and analysing why the country is losing so many real jobs in agri processing ,hydrocarbons and other industrial processes instead of about the loss of non jobs in their own little , non productive , tax dollar soaking bubble world.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:12am
Tomtoddy

One of the most pernicious, detrimental laws to have ever been passed by a govt has now been enacted in the EU. It goes by the grandiose name of the Corporate Sustainability Due Diligence Directive. It requires any major business wanting to operate in the EU to meet a raft of woke social goals from climate nonsense, diversity hire, disinformation, gender, green energy, less water use and much more. Businesses can be fined, kicked out or even be sued by any pressure group for failing to comply. Not only the large corporate but also its suppliers, wherever they are, must meet the new standards.

So, a company sourcing, say, NZ milk powder and making a food product exported to the EU will have to get the NZ business to comply. It is a daft piece of wokism but it is also an attack on sovereignty like never before. The world barrels down a slippery slope of economic ruin and social madness.
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October 8, 2024 8:18am
- quarterpack
  
  The customer is always right. I suppose it is the European Unions prerogative as a semi democratic organization to impose whatever conditions they want on their suppliers and our challenge to comply with those conditions. Similar situations are the imposition of halal animal slaughter practices in our export industries
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:35am
- Grunter
  
  One of the main impacts into NZ companies from this will be banks and sources of finance. Essentially do this woke crap or no bank funding.
  
  Europe has no hope of economically surviving this nonsense. Capital goes where it is treated best.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:46am
- Grunter
  
  Furthermore, it is MANDATORY now for NZ banks to report this rubbish. The FMA runs the cutter over non-compliance. And part of that compliance is banks reporting their clients progress. Essentially a compulsory “dob in your customers” law.
  
  Full details on this link:
  https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/business/regulating-entities/mandatory-climate-related-disclosures
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:02am
- Burtland
  
  wow – serious overreach
  
  Companies which come under the scope of the Corporate Sustainability Due Diligence Directive (‘CSDDD’) will be required to assess their operations and supply chains for negative impacts on people and the planet.
  
  Specific requirements include:
  
  + Implementing transition plans to ensure that business models align with limiting global warming to 1.5°C.
  + Mitigating and preventing negative environmental and social impacts, including ending business relationships with upstream or downstream partners when these impacts cannot be mitigated.
  + Introducing a complaints mechanism system and meaningfully engaging with complainants.
  
  Victims of companies found liable for breaching their due diligence obligations will have the right to be compensated for damages suffered as a result of any breaches.
  
  https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/trade/mfat-market-reports/european-union-corporate-sustainability-due-diligence-february-2024
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:27am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

FEMA arrests Noah and impounds his Ark.

https://babylonbee.com/news/fema-arrests-noah-for-running-unauthorized-flood-rescue-operation?
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October 8, 2024 8:24am
- MCōs
  
  Noah rescued two of every species to continue the line
  That would have ruled out old soft cocks like you in favour of some virulent young Gloriavale types
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:00am
  - Geri Sjovik
    
    No he didn’t.
    
    Noah didn’t take two of every species on the Ark—only two of each “kind” of animal. The biblical “kind” is actually more like the “family” level of classification. That’s a lot fewer animals.
    
    The Bible says that God told Noah to take on the Ark two of every kind of animal, and seven pairs of the clean animals and flying creatures.
    
    The Bible states that Noah’s cargo was limited to land-dwelling animals in which was the breath of life (Genesis 7:15). This clearly excludes fish and other sea creatures, and it probably excludes the insects and other invertebrates.
    
    Recent studies estimate the total number of living and extinct kinds of land animals and flying creatures to be 1,398. With our “worst-case” scenario approach to calculating the number of animals on the Ark, this would mean that Noah cared for 6,744 animals.
    
    But that’s only if you believe the story.
    
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    October 8, 2024 9:24am
- pdm
  
  Hell Steve that would be right up worksafes alley too.
  
  There must always be someone to blame.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Thousands Of Migrant Farmworkers Head North In Preparation For The Democrat Ballot Harvest. Democrats reported a record crop.

https://babylonbee.com/news/thousands-of-migrant-farmworkers-head-north-in-preparation-for-democrat-ballot-harvest?
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October 8, 2024 8:28am
- Bridgenag
  
  Critically Thinking about the Upcoming 2024 Election
  The American Experiment is at Stake
  
  https://open.substack.com/pub/criticallythinking/p/critically-thinking-about-the-upcoming?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“The Talk” about rigged Elections.

https://babylonbee.com/news/dad-decides-its-time-to-have-father-son-talk-about-the-facts-of-rigged-elections?
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October 8, 2024 8:30am
artemisia

Herald today (paywalled) Fast-track list blows cover on proposal to double Auckland Prison’s capacity

“The proposal has activists accusing the Government of trying to fast-track a “mega-prison” they believe will be dangerous for both staff and inmates.”

Thinking cap on. What could be a good solution to danger to inmates. Nope, nothing comes to mind.
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October 8, 2024 8:33am
- Matt Long
  
  Releasing violent prisoners into society is the best way to make prisoners and prison staff much safer. You failed to recognize the excellent strategic thinking progesives demonstrate.
  Might be a bit uncomfortable for the general public, but they and prisons are racist.
  
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  October 8, 2024 8:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Let all of the prisoners out so prison staff are no longer required. That will save millions. Seriously, that is the way the do gooders think!
    
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    October 8, 2024 9:05am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      Emily Rakete is BIG on that concept……
      
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      October 8, 2024 9:36am
  - MCōs
    
    There are around three hundred prisoners with a sentence of prevention detention plus Tarrant.
    Otherwise all the others will be back on the streets sooner or later and half of them are back in prison within two years.
    Harsher sentences, more prisoners, bigger prisons
    What does it accomplish?
    
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    October 8, 2024 9:26am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      A Safer Society.
      
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      October 8, 2024 9:37am
    - Flossie
      
      Does it maybe keep the rest of us safer for longer?
      
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      October 8, 2024 9:46am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Blows cover? Did this government not say prison capacity would be beefed up? Do dick of the media sensationalist bullshittery
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:37am
Simon

Advice: Looking for a Milford Asset Management equivalent in Australia. Retail fund. Something basic and solid.

Reason is to own investments in Australian dollars, compared to the NZ $.
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October 8, 2024 8:43am
bythesea

From the Fast Track Projects List,
https://waitahahydro.co.nz/
This is a “run of river” type 20MW hydro scheme to be located at Morgan’s Gorge on the Waitaha River a few kms south of Ross (on the SI West Coast)

Here we get to see what sort of consent objections were holding up projects.

In this case (according to the site) David Parker as Minister denied consent in 2019, not due to wildlife or most recreational activities, but kayaking specifically (the gorge is extreme kayaking). The company countered later with offering no-take days in conjuction with kayak groups but got no progress.

Also of interest is the project is a Westpower / Ngai Tahu partnership.

The site has a FAQ going over the obvious questions.

>>>>
In August 2019 David Parker’s office announced that the application had been declined.

In rejecting the application Parker noted that he was satisfied the effects on “birds, bats, lizards, invertebrates, vegetation, native fish, and other aquatic communities, sediment, and river morphology will be minor”.

In essence, Parker’s decision to reject the proposal was due to what were determined to be impacts on the “natural character” of the river and impacts on recreational opportunities.

Parker noted the access for trampers and hunters would likely improve as a result of a better access road near the track and improved access into the Waitaha Valley via track upgrades as a result of concessions being granted.

The decision to decline the application with regard to recreational values focussed on kayaking.
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October 8, 2024 9:00am
- Flossie
  
  We would not have the amazing rowing (presumably kayaking too?) facilities at Karapiro were it not for the hydro dam.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:51am
RockyJ

That navy ship would never have sunk off Samoa if real seaman had been in command. Just saying
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October 8, 2024 9:03am
- Ghost
  
  Perhaps you could tell us which of these didn’t have real seaman in charge of them as well.
  
  USS Connecticut Collision with a seamount
  KRI Nanggala Sinking
  South Korean submarine colliding with a merchant ship
  INS Arihant Flooding due to an open hatch
  ARA San Juan sinking
  HMS Ambush colliding with a merchant ship
  INS Sindhurakshak sinking
  USS Montpelier colliding with USS San Jacinto
  HMCS Corner Brook grounding
  HMS Astute grounding
  
  And the list goes on and on
  
  Here’s a big whoopsie. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/china-s-newest-attack-submarine-is-off-to-an-unlucky-start/ar-AA1rPWSV?ocid=BingNewsSerp
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:39am
  - kevn
    
    One way to get global attention…
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-10-07/too-many-women-wrong-places-again
    
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    October 8, 2024 9:45am
Tomtoddy

Thought this was quite good….

Grainwashing (noun): the process by which some have come to believe that the same method used by farmers to fatten pigs will make them thin and healthy.
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October 8, 2024 9:13am
Rusty

First the inter-island ferry runs a ground and now one of our navy ships.

What’s going on?
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October 8, 2024 9:15am
Chuck Bird

I hope they find Tom Phillips and his children soon. when they do I hope they charge whoever has been helping him out. Police time had helicopters would have cost tens of thousands.
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October 8, 2024 9:22am
- MCōs
  
  Hundreds of thousands
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:28am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“I was born in the middle class.” RFK jr.
The crowd loved it.

https://patriotpulse.net/kamala-harris-said-seven-words-that-just-came-back-to-bite-her/?
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October 8, 2024 9:27am
MCōs

Why was the HMNZS Manawanui messing round in a foreign country?
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October 8, 2024 9:34am
Biscuit

I live in fear…

The little fella next door knows that I told him I’d take him to a movie during these school holidays.

Just looked at the ‘menu’ on offer.

I am about 256.67% convinced he is going to choose TRANSFORMERS ONE:

TRANSFORMERS ONE is the untold origin story of Optimus Prime and Megatron, better known as sworn enemies, but once were friends bonded like brothers who changed the fate of Cybertron forever. In the first-ever fully CG-animated Transformers movie, TRANSFORMERS ONE features a star-studded voice cast, including Chris Hemsworth, Brian Tyree Henry, Scarlett Johansson, Keegan-Michael Key, Steve Buscemi, with Laurence Fishburne, and Jon Hamm.

Pray for me!
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October 8, 2024 9:36am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Hey, stop complaining some of use put up with Agent Cody Banks (1 and 2)…..
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:38am
- pdm
  
  You go Biscuit and I bet he reminds you it is your turn to buy the lollies and popcorn.
  
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  October 8, 2024 9:44am
Biscuit

Ah you all know me: I ‘whinge’ at anything.

Times are tough here, mind, pdm. And me a poor ol’ pensioner, too.

Wellington’s glorious rugby side topped the NPC standings and hence will get to host that comp’s Quarterfinal this Friday and, all going well, the Semifinal next week and then the Final the week after that.

The expense(s) will be HORRIFIC.

Will DPF – or his mods – tolerate a Crowdfund exercise for me, heh?
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