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peterwn

Not sure why the Herald is making an issue of whether a certain person should remain a member of the Northern Club. This is a private club and its affairs are private. Perhaps the Herald thinks there is some prurient interest in the matter and that would put the Herald on the same level as the former Truth or even the Kings Cross Whisper.
President Dr Arthur Morris would not be drawn on the process or likely outcome, only revealing that the club would deal with it privately. That is of course the correct approach. The usual approach would be a discreet request to the person involved to resign. That usually would be the end of the matter.
It is disappointing that some club members are speaking out in public about the matter, they should not be. They should make their views discreetly known to the President or Committee. Indeed they could possibly be in breach of Club rules by expressing a public view on a private matter.
Disclaimer – I am not a member of any gentlemans club or is ever likely to be.
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October 7, 2024 8:03am
Matt Long

Minto is celebrating the rapes and murders of one year ago today.
If you’re a leftist you can keep the Nazi spirit alive and get out there with your rape scarves.
It will be interesting to see Damian O’Connor’s X feed.
There are still 100 hostages being held by the Allies of the Left in Gaza.
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October 7, 2024 8:06am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Minto has always looked like a diseased rat.
  
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  October 7, 2024 9:05am
  - AitchW
    
    I still don’t understand why the left is so deeply anti semitic.
    They present a face of kindness and rejection of hatred yet they celebrate murder, rape and abduction of hundreds of mostly Israelis at a music festival.
    The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
    
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    October 7, 2024 9:13am
Chuck Bird

I hear World Visions is lobbying for us to take in people from Gaza. I say let Iran take them.
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October 7, 2024 8:08am
- Benedict Yu
  
  That is hardly happening. The Muslims in Gaza are IIRC 95 percent sunni. Iran is 95 percent sunni. They don’t get on to put it mildly.
  
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  October 7, 2024 8:37am
  - RalphT
    
    Iran is Shia, which is why they wouldn’t get on.
    
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    October 7, 2024 8:47am
  - cmm
    
    Did you get that right BY? If both are sunni then where’s the problem?
    
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that: they have a mutual hatred of Israel that is stronger than their hate of eachother.
    
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    October 7, 2024 8:47am
    - igm
      
      There is no place in New Zealand for any Hezbollah or Hamas supporters, and what World Vision will be trying to relocate here will surely be sympathetic to these mongrels. Look at the trouble in Aus, we do not want that.
      
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      October 7, 2024 9:19am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    the overwhelming majority of Iranians are practicing Shi’i Islam.
    
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    October 7, 2024 8:49am
  - Cassandra
    
    Misspoke. Iran is Shia. Shia and Sunni a bit like Orange Lodge and Doolans.
    
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    October 7, 2024 8:55am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, that’s what I suspected.
      
      However Iran still funds the Gazans and is happy to use them as cannon fodder.
      
      I’m sure the Catholics and Proddies would get on fine if they had a mutual enemy too.
      
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      October 7, 2024 9:06am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I’m simply stating facts. Increasingly, that does not go down well with many commenters here who prefer their personal facts.
        
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        October 7, 2024 9:39am
      - cmm
        
        What facts BY?
        You tried to state some facts and got them wrong.
        From what I can see, 90% of Iranians are Shia – not Sunni.
        
        That is not a “personal fact”.
        
        Still, I understood what you were trying to say.
        
        Clearly they are prepared to cooperate in their attacks on Israel, even if they don’t want to live together.
        
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        October 7, 2024 9:58am
- mandk
  
  Or Egypt.
  Or Jordan.
  Or Saudi Arabia.
  
  What? None of their neighbours want them, so why should we take them?
  
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  October 7, 2024 9:02am
  - MCōs
    
    On the basis you’re correct you’re saying we’re no better than those places?
    
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    October 7, 2024 10:07am
  - MCōs
    
    An interesting article
    https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d
    
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    October 7, 2024 10:19am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Maye Musk encouraging voter fraud.
You don’t have to register to vote. On Election Day, 10 fake names, 10 polling booths, and vote 10 times. Many did not see the humour. It’s different when the left do it.
“this will be the last election if Trump doesn’t win.” Elon Musk.
“President Trump must win to preserve the Constitution. He must win to preserve democracy in America,” he claimed.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/elon-musk-s-mom-encouraged-x-followers-to-commit-voter-fraud-as-she-is-fact-checked-on-son-s-platform/ar-AA1rMOz1?
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October 7, 2024 8:14am
cmm

Herald is leading with: “The skipper will be feeling it”
Is this sexism?
Would they be concerned about the feelings of a male skipper?
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October 7, 2024 8:22am
- MCōs
  
  What do you think?
  Do you think the Herald would expect a male skipper to just suck it up and move on or something?
  Personally I think anyone who’d just been in charge of the first NZ naval vessel ever lost in peacetime would be feeling a bit glum.
  
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  October 7, 2024 9:00am
  - cmm
    
    I am sure they would be feeling it, but would that be the headline?
    
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    October 7, 2024 9:04am
- Ruahine
  
  Feeling what I wonder.
  
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  October 7, 2024 9:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The newspaper should not be concerned about the feelings of the commander regardless of sex. It should report on facts.
  
  I thought that many of the comments yesterday about the commander were sexist. Yes, on face value, a Welsh teacher rising to command a New Zealand naval ship is unusual. However for all I know she may be brilliant. I would prefer to wait for the outcome of the inquiry rather than to point fingers because she is Welsh and gay and female. That was on display in spades yesterday.
  
  Unfortunately, those types of attitudes are becoming more prevalent here. On top of the COVID vaccine nonsense and the climate change nonsense.
  
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  October 7, 2024 10:00am
  - Local Miller
    
    BY, good to see you finally agree that the COVID vaccine and climate change are nonsense 🙂
    
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    October 7, 2024 10:10am
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: Slip Sliding Away –
Fifty years of “social progress,” and where are we exactly?

Good Dave Allen videos with this one

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-slip-sliding-away?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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October 7, 2024 8:26am
Nukuleka

I’m not sure if this has already been commented upon on KB but Mary Richardson, who has been interim CEO of Christchurch City Council since 2023, has agreed to continue in the role until 2026 on the proviso that her annual salary by reduced by $100,000. Yes, reduced! At least one person within local government is heeding the PM’s call for fiscal restraint! Good on her.
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October 7, 2024 8:41am
sungsamning

https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/10/05/pinkerton-what-jd-vances-federal-land-bonanza-means-for-the-50-states/
Pinkerton: What JD Vance’s Federal Land Bonanza Means for the 50 States .
The ground is shifting in the 2024 presidential campaign. If Donald Trump and JD Vance win this November, that will be literally a true statement because Trump and Vance want to use federal land to create more housing and wealth for Americans.
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October 7, 2024 8:41am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IMXwo6jrNA
Hezbollah Dislikes LBGTQ Stuff.
Radical Islam doesn’t tolerate other religions and peoples, especially when it comes to LGBTQ. Better cancel the flight if you were thinking of going there. The locals seem unfriendly. [Who knew?]
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October 7, 2024 8:42am
cmm

I saw an interesting thing on my Linked In feed which occasionally gives me a serving of news from my old universities, including Cape Town.

There was an interesting thing where someone was just awarded a PhD in Mathematics. He had done very poorly at school and had just passed with 30%. After a remedial maths programme at UCT he found his calling and came out the other side with a PhD.

Perhaps this is what we need in NZ. Forget trying to fix maths in schools. Rather have bridging programmes for those that need/want it.
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October 7, 2024 8:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

No cheating in the US Election, then we have this.
Yep, it’s the Democrats again.

https://dailyallegiant.com/nevada-election-chief-halts-investigation-of-voter-registration-issues/
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October 7, 2024 9:16am
I remember when

Te Reo Maori trauma: Barriers to language revival unveiled in new report: Te Ao Maori News.
“The Te Reo Maori Trauma Literature Review, authored by Dr Raukura Roa and Professor Tom Roa, explores the often-overlooked issue and offers strategies for healing and language revival.
The report defines “te reo Maori trauma” as emotional, psychological, spiritual, and/or physical distress caused by historical or contemporary harmful events.”

I wonder what this could be used for?
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October 7, 2024 9:31am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Trauma” was 19 year old men watching their comrades blown out of the sky or blown to pieces in the battlefields of Italy in WW2. Those who survived came back to New Zealand and built the country.
  
  “Trauma” is not caused by your Maori language lessons being suboptimal.
  
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  October 7, 2024 9:47am
Bridgenag

a world without rationality
low identity + high trauma = useful idiocy as personal identity

“people have become so subsumed and consumed by their ideas and ideals that that have been driven quite mad and what’s left behind are not even people, they are parasitic infections of ideology roaming around in human guise absent any sense, sensibility, vestige of rational capacity, or (increasingly) even any instinct for self preservation.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/a-world-without-rationality?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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October 7, 2024 9:46am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I fully agree with the excerpt you post. However IMO you personify what is described by the author. That is because you are addicted to posting nonsense about COVID vaccines.
  
  “… parasitic infections of ideology roaming around in human guise absent any sense, sensibility, vestige of rational capacity…”
  
  A perfect description of the menace to society. The anti vaxxers.
  
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  October 7, 2024 9:51am
  - newview
    
    So right Ben
    
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    October 7, 2024 10:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
This email to me was late last night, 22.16pm.

The Treaty of Waitangi for newbies. Article 2, Part 2. (Part 1 was yesterday.)
Video 9.25 min.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jg1FyE09AA
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