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NeverMindTheBollocks

Consultation on the proposed tolling of three new roads closes at 5pm on Monday. If, like me, you think new roads should be paid for out of fuel taxes or RUCs, then I encourage you to submit.

There’s rightly been a lot hoo-haa about the Manawatu Gorge replacement motorway, but this has let tolling on SH1 (Otaki-Levin) slip under the radar. It’s going to ping anyone travelling in & out of Wellington, and will have a much bigger impact.

If that’s the standard, then why not toll the Waikato Expressway?

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/media-releases/nzta-to-consult-on-tolling-proposals-for-three-state-highways/
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October 5, 2024 8:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “If, like me, you think new roads should be paid for out of fuel taxes or RUCs, then I encourage you to submit.”
  
  Can you tell us why that is superior to tolls?
  
  Tolls on the Manawatu Gorge is a stupid idea. I would be staggered if it happens.
  
  Conversely, Transmission Gully should be tolled. It is a perfect candidate.
  
  At the macro level, if tolls are ruled out, patrol tax and RUC will need to be increased to pay for the new roads that we rightly aspire to.
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:09am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I absolutely agree, Benedict. I think we should have a single method of charging for roads, being RUCs (& fuel tax for the time being); and they should be set at the rate required to build and maintain our roads.
    
    Philosophically, why should the Waterview Tunnel be untolled when the Tauranga urban motorway is tolled?
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:15am
    - Matt Long
      
      If the choice is between roads not being built and tolls, I go with rolls.
      However the cost of tolls needs to be significantly above the cost of collection otherwise we end up with forever tolls, like at Orewa.
      First goal get the administration costs down, then work out an effective rate to pay off the road and move on to the next one.
      
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      October 5, 2024 9:38am
      - rouppe
        
        There’s an online account you can set up with nzta that automatically pays the toll, and can automatically top up the account.
        
        tollingonline.nzta.govt.nz
        
        Add a processing fee for anyone who doesn’t use it will quickly get people signed up. I forgot to pay a toll once, and the “fine” for late payment was twice the toll amount, so I signed up lickety split. Have all my vehicles registered under the account so now doesn’t matter if I’m on my bike, in my car, or towing my caravan
        
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        October 5, 2024 10:05am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @rouppe
        Sorry accidentally reported.
        
        As you point out the system works. Tolls are not costly to administer. It is the trolls that manage the tolls if they are not paid that are costly.
        
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        October 5, 2024 12:15pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      RUCs would sort it all out, and even up the playing field. A little old granny who only goes to church on Sunday will be enjoying the $1 per litre for 91, a half tank ($30) of which will last her 6 months.
      
      It would also even out the playing field for EVs, as they would paying the same amount for RUCs (or more based on weight), and with the high cost of public super chargers, and insurance loading for Lithium batteries, will put supply and demand back where it should be.
      
      Which will slow demand for EVs so that infrastructure and power production can keep up.
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:22pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        [Mod – unnecessary] you consulted in coming up with Granny paying $1 a litre???
        
        Currently 91 octane about $2.73 ish
        Total tax/government levies/acc/etc etc 77.4 cents,
        
        https://www.mbie.govt.nz/building-and-energy/energy-and-natural-resources/energy-generation-and-markets/liquid-fuel-market/duties-taxes-and-direct-levies-on-motor-fuels-in-new-zealand
        
        So take ALL the taxes & levies off, then Granny would pay approx $2 per litre 91 octane.
        
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        October 5, 2024 2:54pm
  - Paulus
    
    In Tauranga we did not appear to have any say in the two tolls we have – I am quite happy to use them when I want, but there are so called free alternatives.
    I hope our new North Road, under constructuon, will toll too as user pays.
    If I use that I will pay, as the other two already.
    
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    October 5, 2024 11:27am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  The principle of tolling has merit. Many still remember the success of the Auckland Harbour Bridge toll. I have seen some eye watering proposed prices. I’m sure that a $2 toll wouldn’t raise eyebrows but $8 each way for the Manawatu gorge feels like gouging with little understanding of the locals’ long held understanding that this is the only (yes, not really) way to travel from one side of the Ruahines to the other.
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:14am
  - newview
    
    I’m with you GST. I thought the Manawatu toll proposal was $4.50 each way for cars but a charge of $2 makes more sense to me even if turned out to be for ever. At my age it would be for ever anyway.
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    When we went on the northern motorway 12 years ago, I think the price was either $2.40 or $2.60. I am led to believe regular users are cheaper, hardly a steep cost( not sure if the price has increased with inflation) the 20 min saving each way in fuel makes it a no brainer.
    
    I really don’t think it is fair to till a road already under way that was never going to be rolled dnd I think common sense will prevail in the Manawatu case
    
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    October 5, 2024 11:38am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I’m surprised you can comment, G. You are supposed to have no electricity, you house washed away, flooding so severe that it hasn’t happened before ( well – 100 years ago)
      Or perhaps you’re not from Dunedin after all:
      Or are you such a giant that the water doesn’t come past your knees ? 😆
      
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      October 5, 2024 11:55am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Read my posts below. The media were full of shit
        
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        October 5, 2024 1:53pm
      - Taieri
        
        Not so funny for these people:
        
        https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/scariest-thing-ever-familys-lucky-escape-maia-slip
        
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        October 5, 2024 6:56pm
- Anthony Melchett
  
  I don’t mind tolls but the rucs/fuel tax needs to be reduced.
  
  Untill they can prove the taxes aren’t pissed away on Maori signs and worthless overpriced consultants then we we just keep paying more and more for less.
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:54am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Yes. What percentage of RUCs and fuel tax (and GST on fuel sales) goes towards the roads? If less than 100%, either reduce them accordingly or stop siphoning off funds.
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:40am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nats long term goal is to get rid of petrol tax altogether, petrol prices would drop by a dollar a litre, yet again making tolls a no brainer
    
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    October 5, 2024 11:39am
    - Ra Henare
      
      You forget that the “”Government”” “”over taxes”” petrol in its effort to reduce road usage.
      
      Current bleat is to help stop climate change.
      
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      October 5, 2024 2:57pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      You are mixing up two issues. 100 percent of the revenue lost by abolishing petrol excise will be replaced by RUC. Nothing to do with tolls.
      
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      October 5, 2024 3:06pm
      - Burtland
        
        so wheres the ETS charge going to go ? –
        
        RUCs are not the right place nor are tolls.
        
        It will remain as a fuel tax that ramps up til you cant afford to use the ICE car.
        
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        October 6, 2024 12:38am
- Colville
  
  I am all for tolls and RUC.
  Tolls affect the people who use the particular road most so targeted user pays.
  RUC can be used for the general road network.
  We need much better roads and users need to pay more!
  
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  October 5, 2024 10:39am
  - Burtland
    
    but you still need an ETS fuel tax to squash ICE use
    
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    October 6, 2024 12:44am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  For a start RUC are only paid on Diesel vehicles and now thanks to the new government on EV’s, I always thought RUC’s were for maintaining the roads.
  
  As Benedict said below I do not think the Manawatu gorge will be tolled, it is TNZ just doing their work that may or may note happen, it is not government policy to till that road, but TNZ have been charged to look at these options. But does not mean there will happen in every case.
  
  Done if these brand new roads they are talking about will be tolled, as the Northern motorway from Auckland, the alternative route is 20 mins further so paying the toll is a no brained. Most brand new motorways will save fuel it’s crazy that people are opposed
  
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  October 5, 2024 11:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    There is no such agency as “Transport New Zealand”.
    
    NZTA is subject to direction. If the government has no intention of tolling the Manawatu road, it is idiotic that the people are being consulted on that option.
    
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    October 5, 2024 3:12pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  There is absolutely zero logic in tolling new roads but not existing roads. Sunk cost fallacy.
  
  The people who need the new road have spent their whole lives paying petrol taxes to fund roads that others are using for free, and will continue to be forced to do that.
  
  Either use petrol taxes and RUC for everything, or toll everything, new and old. Anything else is a failure to think rationally and fairly.
  
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  October 5, 2024 1:47pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    This, 100%.
    
    Having two systems to collect taxes on roads is an unnecessary duplication.
    
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    October 5, 2024 4:50pm
    - Burtland
      
      three … RUC Tolls and ETS
      
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      October 6, 2024 12:46am
Grunter

Whew! I just survived Dunedin’s wettest day in 100 years….. 🙄🤡 60mm recorded yesterday 🙄🤡

Let’s play the silly Leftards game. If that was the wettest day, no lives lost, some relatively minor slips, some surface flooding, maybe a million $ of damage (that’s a guess but it won’t be much). Then why are we worrying about all this climate change BS??
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October 5, 2024 8:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Whether we should worry about climate change bullshit for the planet is not determined by its effect on the Dunedin climate.
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:11am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    What are the key metrics that would indicate that “climate change bullshit for the planet” should be worried about?
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:53pm
- David Garrett
  
  Grunter: Quite so. And the headline I saw was “Dunedin’s wettest day for X years” In other words there has been a wetter – or at least as wet – day sometime in the past.
  
  Here’s my view of climate change, and it’s really simple. Yes, the climate is changing, as it always has from time to time. How much of that is down to human input is unknown, and probably unknowable. Whatever is the case, there is fuck all we can do about it here, since our contribution to greenhouse gas emissions is absolutely miniscule.
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:14am
  - mandk
    
    Come now, David.
    
    When NZ gets to net zero, we will be able to erect a Jacinda Dome to keep out the nasty emissions all the other countries put into the atmosphere.
    
    Just like we kept out COVID.
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:22am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Speaking of Covid not getting in with a closed boarder and cases back to zero, yet they still let it in, after something like a 104 days lying daily that we had no cases, they then came to say one case came from the returning needs, then it was 4 then 1 then 2 then 7, so they expected us to believe that no case came through the retuning NZers for 204 days, then to have daily infections, lying Cindy and and the ginga leg spreader
      
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      October 5, 2024 11:59am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    The most amusing part of the fear porn pedalling is that they seem to have forgotten that the place names they use don’t seem to match the ‘modern’ versions they use in their forecasting.
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:52am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You mean they stopped saying Otepoti so they could get their point through?
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:00pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Again, I have shared this here before, but I am reliably informed – by an environmental scientist – that if the world’s greenhouse gases for one year was a two litre jug of milk, New Zealand’s share of the contents would be one half of one drop.
    
    In other words we could return to the stone age tomorrow, and it wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference.
    
    Tell that to the young people today, and they don’t believe you. (With apologies to Monty Python)
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The bloody young will say we all have to do there’s bit even though China, India still through everything down the rivers and in Indias case dead bodies burning on an old tyre.
      
      Russia is as bad too
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:02pm
  - Cassandra
    
    Hear bloody hear, David. Anthropogenic climate effect has been investigated and debated for years and it’s still an interesting theory. Let’s clean up the planet but shooting ourselves in the foot – bike lanes in hilly, wet, windy parts of NZ – is dopey. Ardern and her Captan’s Call is classic idiocy. We should proceed just as quickly as we need to, no faster. The planet is not going to boil. Al Gore will still be able to light up his 30,000 sq ft Mansion; luvvies will still be able to go to climate conferences in private jets. Let’s be sensible.
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:37am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      It’s all about creating a socialist nirvana where there will also incidentally be a wonderful green nirvana created (fingers crossed real hard). If they (the various dreaming grifters) fail, they can slink away with their loot and escape accountability.
      
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      October 5, 2024 9:57pm
- Matt Long
  
  TVNZ shows flooding lapping footpaths, and slips over part of roads, apologies if you have been severely affected, but their disaster coverage look like a beat up.
  Anyway, It’s clear proof of the need to destroy western freedoms and install communism. Greg Presland told me.
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The surface flooding was at its worst yesterday after lunch, but it was still only the usual places flooded in a heavy rain, Josephine st, Surrey st, End of Hargest cres, those streets sit below the side of Forbury road which is higher, Forbury road picks up all the rain off the steep drive ways in the hillside which just runs to the lowest point, it’s just physics really, (Hipkins mother wanted that gone) the surface flooding on Hargest Crescent spills down the off running streets, I live in Richardson street that was impacted at the Forbury road and Hargest crew end, but I live at the other end and no flooding at all apart from water on the lawn.
    
    A giveaway was the old for bury park race course has had far more water on it before , I did not see they much water there, yes it was there but it has been worse
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:12pm
  - Dougal10
    
    The powers that be around here sent out contractors because of the red warning , they have put cones and signs around roadside puddles that regularly encroach on the roads when we get 1/2 an inch overnight . On one of the roads the contractor must have run out of cones and signs because the water is still over the road as you get further away from town ,but everywhere he put up cones closer to town has dried up within hours of the rain stopping .
    
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    October 5, 2024 1:55pm
- G152
  
  Mainly because global warming is a natural event dressed in politics. The Earth warms and cools put on a jersey
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:54am
  - pdm
    
    Nature doing what it has always done G152.
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Do I read you correctly that you think the damage in the region will come to $1 million!?
  
  I would be surprised if it was less than $300 million.
  
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  October 5, 2024 10:21am
  - Grunter
    
    Bene – we’re both guessing obviously. My point was there is bugger all damage around town that cants be fixed by a bucket and mop
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:18pm
    - MCōs
      
      That’s one way to clear a slip I suppose.
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:29pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Bene, you are obviously thinking government costs(and of course renting all those road cones, probably a mill right there)
    
    Maybe let the locals sort it out. They have seen it before and know that just sitting on their bums for 24 hours will solve 95% of the flooding problems.
    
    and “”we”” still believe the media hype!!! When will we ever learn
    
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    October 5, 2024 3:04pm
- ChristopherW2
  
  I’m really surprised such a modest amount of rain has caused so much disruption, particularly the closure of the highways — the discussion around here is of an infrastructure problem, not a Climate problem.
  
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  October 5, 2024 11:50am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The flood waters always build up around Palmerston Hampden and Wakouiti, they come down from the mountains, often at just north of Oamaru as well, but they happen in heavy rains, south the water from Taieri can come across the road around Lake Waihola, these things happen every time a heavy rain in my 62 years, 68, 80, 84 early 90’s, early 2000’s 2010, 2015, 3017 and this event are times when rain and flooding has been worse than this, and several other events that have course similar surface flooding in town as we seen yesterday
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:26pm
    - Grunter
      
      1980 the airport flooded for weeks. Better flood banks now but way more rain that time as well.
      
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      October 5, 2024 2:29pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are close. Infrastructure? Still close.
    Haw about “Health and Safety” idiocy?
    There ya go, I thought that up all by myself without a royal commission enquiry.
    
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    October 5, 2024 3:38pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Agreed, did we not get 100 mills plus in 2015? They are full of shit, this rain was over three days do bullshit to wettest day ever, note they have changed it to 100 years, after several photos of the 1923 flood were shown all over social media with people in hip high floods on the road.
  
  From what I could see yesterday coming home from work at Mosgiel was, no flooding in Mosgiel at all, no flooding until you get to the usual spots like Josephine st, parts of Hillside rd, and all those streets just off Forbury road where the water runs off the higher part of Forbury rd, at the St Clair end of Hargest cres was like a lake as usual when we do have significant rain.
  
  All water completely gone today. One thing that shits me is people still have their storm water hooked up to the sewerage, leading to over flowing sewer pip, and the toilets on low lying sections fill with water, that happens at my place when a heavy rain, and it’s time they fined for this illegal practice
  
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  October 5, 2024 11:51am
- Taieri
  
  Then why are we worrying about all this climate change BS??
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  I’d not underestimate the damage from this event. It’s going to be expensive and for some, very expensive. What the last two days in Dunedin show, is the fallacy of an illusion that we can somehow control the “climate”. Be it by reducing the “emissions” or in any other way. We can’t even control a couple of days of raining, let alone anything more than that. Not only we can’t control it, we don’t even seem to be able to adapt to it.
  
  It also shows how fragile we really are, when a couple of days of rain can result in a sizable city being cut of from the outside world. And not just in the way of the State Highways, since even the connection to the port in Port Chalmers is unavailable at the moment. And how inadequate our infrastructure is. Taking South Dunedin as an example, where the storm drainage system is grossly undersized and the pumps can’t cope with anything bigger than a moderate precipitation. And where the sewerage system fails regularly after a heavy rain, discharging its contents into the streets and people’s gardens. And this is not the first time this area has been affected this way. It happens just about every time there’s a bit of a heavy precipitation. And what does the local council do about it? A sweet fuck all. The local council has other priorities. Such as making George Street more “vibrant” and “celebrating our cultural and historical values”, so that in the words of one prominent Dunedinite, this “once in a generation chance” can result in, “now, when my children walk down George St, they will see the kupu (words) of their tīpuna (ancestors) inscribed on the pavements, they will see our cultural practices transferred into contemporary art and celebrations of history and knowledge passed down through generations.” Now, I’m not picking on the “mana whenua” here, this person is perfectly entitled to feel like this, but what will happen if all of use prioritize things this way?
  But then, I presume that at the end of the day it’s far more pleasing for a councillor to read in the paper about achieving such a great and “culturally appropriate” transformation, than to worry about sorting out the mundane matter of the human shit being properly disposed of.
  The above is of course and by all means not a solitary example of hubris and stupidity. The White Elephant of a hardly ever used Dunedin Stadium is another one. That one was due to the efforts of just one very determined person, who managed to force the issue just about single-handedly. And there are many more. And not just in Dunedin, but in just about every city, township and other human settlement of this fine country.
  Some might say, you get the council(s) you vote for, so shut up and put up with it. Well, it’s very easy to dismiss it like that, but how much power as voters we really have? Not a lot, judging by the state of things…
  
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  October 5, 2024 12:16pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The drains and pumps were working perfectly, just surface flooding that is usual in thdd ed low lying streets mainly at high tide, I notice high tide was around 12 noon and that’s when the Duracell flooding was at its worst, on Thursday night they showed the Mayor at the New pumps and they were working fine.
    
    In 2015 the useless greenie council did not clean mud tanks for years, this led to that flooding, that led to pumps sucking air so they actually had to be turned off, that flood was a straight out council mismanag, also they weee putting the water from Kaikorai valley over the hill through South Dunedin in stead of going out to the Kaikori estuary and into the sea, why god knows, but they may have been up grading something
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:34pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  60 mills yesterday, the flood in 2015 created by leftie council not cleaning dnd maintaining tanks and pumps was over a 100 mills in 24 hours, the media were full of shit yesterday, the whole south Dunedin was slake in 2015
  
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  October 5, 2024 1:55pm
- rangitoto
  
  60mm isn’t a lot. We get that quite often. The AKL flooding last year was 260+ mm. I guess the drainage is an issue down there.
  
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  October 5, 2024 3:01pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It wasn’t 60 mm.🙄 It was 160 mm. A prolonged rain event over about 50 hours. Very rare for the region.
    
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    October 5, 2024 3:23pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      BY “Very rare for the region.”
      
      In what time period are you talking here? One nanosecond of geological time, so to speak?
      
      The southern ocean is well known for brewing up nasty weather and throwing it northwards.
      
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      October 5, 2024 8:17pm
- Ghost
  
  Yesterday from metservice
  
  Our Dunedin Central station has recorded 130.2mm in the 42hrs up to 9am today. That’s just shy of twice their average October monthly rainfall.
  
  Metservice Facebook
  
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  October 5, 2024 3:07pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  BTW you are being disingenuous in minimising this rain event. Dunedin has had 162 mm of rain in 3 days. That is roughly what the city would expect in the entire Spring season of three months.
  
  https://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/locations/dunedin/past-weather
  
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  October 5, 2024 3:21pm
  - Grunter
    
    3 days 162mm is a decent rain event. But certainly not life threatening nor something out of the ordinary. Happens about every 10 years or so.
    
    Bene, I’m picking you don’t live in Dunners so your running off MSM coverage 🙄
    
    The DCC and the ODT are both blaming the Govt
    
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    October 5, 2024 4:03pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    You know Fiordland gets METRES of rain every year generally? I’ve been in West Coast downpours where I had to stop the car because all was white in front of me (not from fog or cloud, but just from intensely bucketing rain). These places are relatively not far from Dunedin. This whole “unprecedented” schtick from the media is just climate alarmism fear porn.
    
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    October 5, 2024 8:23pm
- Burtland
  
  if it was the worst in 100 years and caused by climate change, then what caused the one 100 years ago – it wasnt climate change.
  
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  October 6, 2024 12:48am
NeverMindTheBollocks

I used to moan about Kim Hill, but her twin replacements are truly dire. Joanne Forbes excelled herself this morning by saying that Auckland is the nation’s capital. It’s not clear whether she misspoke or whether she truly thinks that. Either way, she’s substandard. But, she speaks Maori and that seems to trump all of her failings.
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October 5, 2024 8:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  So why are you subjecting yourself to such rubbish?
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:12am
  - David Garrett
    
    Bene: Indeed. I bought a new clock radio the other day, and didn’t even bother to tune it to Red Radio. And for the most part, I used to enjoy Kim Hill, despite her very obvious leftie bias. Her interview with John Pilger is well worth tracking down. She owned him.
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:17am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      They still have clock radios? 😃
      
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      October 5, 2024 10:27am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        How about Freeview? There are radio stations there that I think can be recorded. Not sure if the red radio is there – I don’t bother with any of that stuff.
        But yeah, clock radio alarms I’m not sure. Mine was gone 15 years ago.
        
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        October 5, 2024 3:46pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Funnily enough, I watched the Pilger interview with MS Hill. I thought he dealt with her ignorance on some subjects quite well.
      
      In her early days she did quite well, but in later years she was definitely pushing an agenda and her beliefs, talking over guests(like Piers Morgan) makes for crap Interviews.
      
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      October 5, 2024 3:09pm
      - Mike
        
        I very much enjoyed her taking apart serial crook Arthur Taylor. And demolishing Don Brash over te reo.
        
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        October 5, 2024 3:56pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I very much doubt she demolished Don Brash in any way Mike. I presume you mean you got your jollies over a few silly jibes.
        
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        October 5, 2024 8:37pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I live in hope of better, Benedict.
    
    Foolish, I know.
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:17am
  - Aquarius
    
    They seem utterly determined to drive away the few remaining listeners they have
    I could filter out the left wing bias against the ads on ZB
    But not non stop pidgin
    Had been a listener for probably 30 years
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:02am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The thing is that a Chinese speaker who is also fluent in English would be annoyed at some weird English Chinese pidgin. It is one or the other.
      
      AFAIK this bullshit mixed language does not happen in any other developed country. Because it is as annoying as f***k. Yet we put up with it.
      
      Languages evolve but from the bottom up. There are examples in history of elites forcing languages on folk but it never ends well.
      
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      October 5, 2024 10:38am
      - Taieri
        
        There are examples in history of elites forcing languages on folk but it never ends well
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        The only successful case that I can think of is adoption of the (modern) Hebrew as an everyday’s language in Israel. The Jewish diaspora in the days before the State of Israel was created never used Hebrew for casual communication, its use was restricted to religious matters. Normal, working languages were Yiddish for Ashkenazi and Ladino for Sephardic Jews, when speaking between themselves, with local vernaculars for dealing with Goyim.
        
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        October 5, 2024 12:30pm
      - MCōs
        
        “mixed language does not happen in any other developed country.”
        We speak fluent mixed language around here Thai, English & shout
        
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        October 5, 2024 12:40pm
      - Dave
        
        Addition to Taieri @ 12.30.
        
        The development of Hebrew as an everyday language was made possible by the unique circumstances of Israel’s origin, quite dissimilar to the circumstances of contemporary NZ. Modern Hebrew filled a communicative function for immigrants from different countries, as well as being a marker of Jewish identity and commitment to the new country. But Maori, nowhere near so much.
        
        My guess is that Maori language will end up in terms of popularity somewhere between that of Welsh in Wales, apparently flourishing but still a minority language, and Irish in Ireland – after 100 years of independence, more than 90 years of coercion and inducement, Irish, while constitutionally the preferred official language, appears to have plateaued at about 40% speaking/understanding it, and is used daily by only 4% outside education, and by less than 2% as the primary home language.
        
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        October 5, 2024 2:39pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Indonesia, “forced”” bahasa on its population when it went independent as there were some 1300 different languages.
        
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        October 5, 2024 3:11pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        Not really.
        What happens is that a government or administration is formed, establishes an official language and then if you want to do business with it you have to use it.
        Nobody cares what how you speak at home or how you haggle with the local greengrocer for cabbages and beans, but if you want to plead a case in court, get a government contract or pass an official exam you have to do it their way.
        The same thing works with money, you can’t just file a tax return in any old language you like and pay in whatever notes and coins you choose, it has to be done in the official government way. Same thing with calendars and measurements. That’s the only way the system works.
        The Romans did it, the Ottomans did it, the British did it (although the English switched a few times) and the Chinese have done it, also with a few changes along the way. The Red Chinese establishing an official language is only the latest example of the Chinese central government doing that.
        
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        October 5, 2024 7:07pm
    - Paulus
      
      I had a meeting with Professional MA qualified person the other day
      I asked her where did she qualify – Auckland Uni ?
      – no she said India.
      She has been here one year, total professional and impeccable English hence my question.
      Pretty too, but I am geriatric !
      
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      October 5, 2024 11:37am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ms Forbes has done it again. Her guest, a professor of medicine, no less, referred to the discoverer of penicillin not once but three times as “Andrew Fleming”; no correction by Forbes.
  
  Good manners, a “no correction / apology” policy or just ignorance? You decide.
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:51am
  - David Garrett
    
    Nevermind: A bit of useless trivia for your next pub quiz… Alexander Fleming was NOT “the inventor of penicillin”, he was simply a scientist who – in 1923 IIRC – noticed that penicillium mould contaminating a petri dish of bacteria had killed the bacteria around it. He did nothing more than note it.
    
    The real “inventors of penicillin” were two scientists called Florey and Chain, who found a paper mentioning Fleming’s notes and worked out how to mass produce the mould, and then extract the drug penicillin from it. Fleming played very little part in the process aside from his original observation.
    
    In my view he was an unwarranted recipient – along with Florey and Chain – of the Nobel prize in medicine in 1945.
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:16am
    - Cassandra
      
      Fleming got the prize because he thought through his observation; most expel would just have washed the Petri dish.
      
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      October 5, 2024 10:40am
      - Cassandra
        
        Expel was supposed to be people.
        
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        October 5, 2024 11:22am
    - Inandout
      
      DG, I attach this Wiki account of Florey and Chain. As Chain was a refugee from Nazi Germany he was among the many scientists belonging to Judaism, a definite plus for many Western countries.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Florey
      
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      October 5, 2024 11:58am
- Paulus
  
  Joanna Forbes is no longer her real name remember – her real name is Mihingarangi Forbes now she has found the true believer !
  
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  October 5, 2024 11:32am
  - Inandout
    
    Paulus, a bit like Ngai Tahu’s Stephen O’Regan who awoke one morning to discover he was Tipene.
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:02pm
    - Paulus
      
      At Uni he was Steve, and nothing else.
      
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      October 5, 2024 1:30pm
    - kowtow
      
      Even his western European feudal chivalric knighthood title ‘Sir” has discovered its ‘indigenousness’; “Ta”. At least that’s how te legaacy meedia paahti present him.
      
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      October 5, 2024 3:36pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It was the capital at one stage, parliament building ms are still there in remarkable condition, she may mean capital as far as major city, but if that’s the case it’s utterly pathetic journalism, and lazy.
  
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  October 5, 2024 11:54am
- NZer In Exile
  
  I gave up on RNZ about 5 or so years ago. The wall to wall wokeness just became insufferable.
  
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  October 5, 2024 8:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Let’s get an iron dome.

https://babylonbee.com/news/ayatollah-frantically-googles-how-to-build-iron-dome-thingy-fast?
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October 5, 2024 8:07am
- imalwaysright
  
  I remember the old days when an iron curtain was cutting edge!
  
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  October 5, 2024 8:25am
- Paulus
  
  Buy one from Temu, cheap steel but does that matter ?
  
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  October 5, 2024 8:46am
- David Garrett
  
  Steve: That link is screamingly funny! Every bit as good as The Onion…is that still published?
  
  I see a couple of Jew haters have downticked you…
  
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  October 5, 2024 8:56am
  - mandk
    
    They are everywhere.
    
    On Monday, they’ll be out celebrating an atrocity.
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Downtickers mean you are over the target.
      
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      October 5, 2024 9:19am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Generally agree but Mike is over the target? One of these things is not like the other.
        
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        October 5, 2024 8:27pm
    - kowtow
      
      Shockingly over in Oz there are going to be some relatively big “protests” , actually celebrations of Oct 7 atrocities .
      
      This of course is evidence of multiculturalism , mass migration from certain third world ‘cultures” , the diversty dividend etc
      
      And the frightening thing is while all this is plain for even Blind Freddy to see , across the west the Blob will continue to import the hatred , the division ,the Balkanisation en masse .
      
      I despair.
      
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      October 5, 2024 1:26pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The “idiot compassion” of Australia’s left imported this sickness into Australia in the 80s I believe. There was no referendum asking if Australia at the time wanted this. I can almost guarantee at that time such a concept would have been completely shot down by the voters if they had been asked.
        
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        October 5, 2024 8:31pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    The Onion died several years ago when it was purchased by some Hillary Clinton supporter. You could see the ideological change immediately, and it became partisan.
    
    The Babylon Bee (motto: “Fake News You Can Trust”), even with its Christian messages, is beating the pants off of The Onion, and making a lot of money for the owners.
    
    BB’s only real problem is that the reality of America often outpaces their ability to write satire about it. It’s why they had to launch a companion site, Not The Bee to cover real news items that would otherwise be taken as fictional satire were they to appear on BB.
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Clinton supporter explains the lack of humour. Lefties are born without a sense of humour.
      
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      October 5, 2024 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, The Onion is still alive. I don’t find them nearly as funny – I like satire. Maybe that is just me.
    Try this, Onion News Network:
    
    https://theonion.com/gods-penis-visible-in-night-sky-for-first-time-in-millennia/
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:14am
    - David Garrett
      
      Steve: Double LOL. Bob McCroskie, I implore you, DON’T click on that link.
      
      I’m sorry you didn’t have time to catch up with me for lunch while I was in the country. Take care my friend.
      
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      October 5, 2024 9:22am
- Philview
  
  I have to wonder why Iran thought that was a good idea to send all those missiles into Israel. I know a couple of people who have been to Iran in recent times and they were surprised how outspoken Iranians were in their hatred of their leaders. Let’s hope this ends well for the Iranian people.
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:14am
  - David Garrett
    
    Philview: Yes…the Iranian revolution – which appeared to have massive support – was two generations ago now, 40 odd years pre internet. They say videos helped destroy the Soviet Union and its empire as the inhabitants learned what things were really like in the west.
    
    The internet will have had massively greater effect on the young of Iran today. I’m sure the Ayotollahs try to block it, but youngsters are very tech savvy wherever they live.
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:58am
    - Matt Long
      
      The leaders and revolutionary guards all look like old men now, the younger supporters seem to be in satellite countries and western morons like the greens.
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:26pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Wherever they live – like the United States after crossing that free for all open border?
      There are many problems coming for America.
      
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      October 5, 2024 3:55pm
  - kowtow
    
    Overnight an Iraqi Shiite militia drone got through Israeli defences undetected and hit an IDF base killing 2 soldiers.
    
    I reckon most people don’t realise that this thing is actually in intent an Iranian theocratic genocide against the Jews of Israel .
    
    That is the ultimate intention. To wipe out the people of Israel . Driven by their fundamentist ideology.
    
    There have also been hand grenade attcks by “Swedes” on Israeli diplomatic missions in Denmark and Sweden .
    
    A report also states that they have built tunnels from Syria to Lebanon for weapon smuggling .
    
    Why do religious leaders have such murderous intent , why are western media so anti Israel .
    
    Why don’t the labour/green ceasefire , towel types call on Iran to stand down.
    
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-strikes-lebanon-syria-border-crossing-said-used-by-hezbollah-to-smuggle-weapons/
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:02am
    - David Garrett
      
      kowtow: I have it on good authority that the Muslim population of once very liberal Sweden is now 20%…and despite terrorism and the mass intimidation of “immodest women” in that country, largely by the children of immigrants from some sandy shithole, they are still letting them in.
      
      I often wonder what my liberal Swedish girlfriend of 45 years ago would think now. Sadly even Dr Google has been unable to locate her.
      
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      October 5, 2024 10:21am
      - kowtow
        
        Talking of tolerant etc this is really disturbing and yet one must read between the lines to realise who the refusniks are .
        
        Holland , land of Anne Frank , here we go again.
        
        ‘Dutch police refuse to guard Jewish sites over ‘moral dilemmas,’ officers say
        Marcel de Weerd and Michel Theeboom, from the Jewish Police Network, claimed ““There are colleagues who no longer want to protect Jewish targets ‘
        
        https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-823171
        
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        October 5, 2024 10:37am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The Persian peoples are, in general smart and effective, the ones I’ve known were lovely people. They have been woefully abused by the evil ante-diluvian Mullahs over the last 45 years. But it just goes to show that the force-magnifying effects of modern military tech make it near-impossible to throw off the shackles of oppression. A few regime soldiers can outmatch a hundreds of times as many opponents.
    
    If we lose democracy we are never going to get it back, which is why we must be uncompromising in our resistance to all attempts by the blob to diminish our freedoms and their efforts to sabotage the rule of elected politicians over them.
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:42pm
- rouppe
  
  Iran had been wiped off the map after Ayatollah Ali Khamenei bought a trick exploding Iron Dome from a Mossad agent on eBay.
  
  😆
  
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  October 5, 2024 10:18am
Simon

China is no threat to NZ. Fucking garbage. If you believe “China!!” you better get into your EV and drive down for your booster shot.
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October 5, 2024 8:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes that comment makes so much sense. 🙄
  
  I take it that..
  
  You don’t like Chinese folk.
  
  You don’t like EVs.
  
  You have not kept up with the recommended COVID booster vaccinations.
  
  But I am guessing.
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:13am
  - David Garrett
    
    Bene: I think you’ve nailed it mate.
    
    One small point though: I don’t think fear of – or even anxiety about – what China might do in the future is synonymous with a dislike of Chinese people. I like Chinese people just fine, but I am pretty sure the Chinese have some sinister intentions in the South Pacific, where they are investing huge amounts of money into developing countries who have no way of repaying the huge “loans” China is making.
    
    Tonga reportedly owes them USD300 million plus – they have no hope of ever repayng that. But they DO have a massive harbour – known for obvious reasons as “the Port of Refuge” – in the northern Vava’u group… An ideal naval base smack in the middle of the South Pacific.
    
    And the Chinese embassy compound now has apartements sufficient for 1500 people – while the embassy staff is about 35. Why the need for so much accommodation?
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I don’t dislike Chinese people but I detest the CCP. I see them as evil.
      Next door neighbours are Chinese. He does acupuncture, she teaches English to other Chinese. And little Leo is one next month. We bought him a buzzy bee.
      Lovely family.
      
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      October 5, 2024 9:41am
      - David Garrett
        
        Steve: As many here will know, the local general store and one of the liquor stores in my patch is Chinese owned. The family are probably the best respected in the district, certainly one of the best respected.
        
        When they experienced an armed robbery several years ago they got so many flowers from well wishers that they had to put an ad on Facebook asking people not to bring any more.
        
        The married daughter is a medical specialist in Australia. The son has a degree in both law and engineering – the requirements of a patent attorney – he currently helps Mum and Dad run the shop. I think he also manages the family’s property investments.
        
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        October 5, 2024 9:46am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Having spent a lot of time in China a large fraction of Chinese there are selfish arseholes that you wouldn’t trust as far as you could spit them. Always out for number one and fuck everyone else. An inevitable consequence of extremely tough competition for everything and living under their form of govt with typically 1-child families.
        
        As an example; the extreme lack of care they have for others who are hurt or injured (that horrible video of a few years ago of a toddler run over by a truck that was left lying and dying in an alley by 15 people who walked past until eventually a parent found them)
        
        I expect Dickensian England was little different
        
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        October 5, 2024 12:45pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        This “CCP is Evil” is another trope that deserves a bit of examination.
        Under the CCP the Chinese nation and its citizens (including the Tibetans and Uyghurs) are now ricer, more numerous, more powerful, more educated and healthier than they have ever been at any time in their very long history.
        The CCP has raised life expectancy to a level HIGHER than that of the USA.
        If that is “Evil” than it’s evil of a very strange sort.
        
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        October 5, 2024 7:46pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Jake Dee, the lift in prosperity (mainly in the big cities only) was due to the adoption of western capitalism after the abysmal failure of communist economics. It would appear the current leadership want to go back to “pure” communism.
        
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        October 5, 2024 8:47pm
    - Simon
      
      China is no threat you are being played.
      
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      October 5, 2024 11:54am
      - kowtow
        
        If so benign why do they buy seats in our parliament .
        
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        October 5, 2024 1:17pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The Philippines ,Vietnam, South Korea and Japan for starters I suspect would strongly disagree with that statement.
        
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        October 5, 2024 8:50pm
    - ChristopherW2
      
      I wish for Democracy and freedom in China like every other sensible person, but you have to fair with your judgements. China today, particularly for its Han citizens, is a lot more like Singapore or Taiwan before they became democratic than it is like actual Communism, such as the Soviet Union or China under Mao.
      
      Militarily, they fear the West (rightly so, and no bad thing) much more than we need to fear them.
      
      And while there is much one can criticise the CCP for, providing aid to impoverished Pacific nations in exchange for influence is a perfectly reasonable thing to do — those nations that don’t like it are always free to provide similar aid themselves.
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:10pm
      - Grunter
        
        Well said.
        
        And let’s play out the ‘China is bad and plans to attack the West’ narrative.
        
        China Leaders: “Our economy is struggling, exports have stopped growing…..I know, let’s blow up all our customers….who’s with me!??”
        
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        October 5, 2024 12:30pm
      - kowtow
        
        grunter
        
        I think you fail to understand the essence of the authoritarian .
        
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        October 5, 2024 1:16pm
    - Taieri
      
      I like Chinese people just fine, but I am pretty sure the Chinese have some sinister intentions in the South Pacific
      ———–
      
      I’ve known some great, upstanding Russians. Lovely people on the individual level. Yet, when the proverbial hits the fan, the herd mentality takes over.
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:37pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      The “Chinese Debt Trap Diplomacy” trope is utter bunk.
      Take a little time to think about how this devilish scheme is exactly supposed to work.
      Who loans out money hoping and planning that it WON’T be paid back?
      Who pledges MORE in collateral than the loan is worth?
      How can it be that after literally hundreds of years of cut throat and for-profit international financial dealings, Beijing has devised a plan that London, New York, Paris and Rome never even though of?
      If you want to calculate how heavily leveraged a nation is and what risks it has, then calculate the amount owed to ALL creditors not just the Chinese. If you have standards for what is a good/bad deal then apply them to all players equally.
      It is also rather insulting to African and Polynesian nations to imply that they don’t know how finance works and that they can’t negotiate a deal.
      
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      October 5, 2024 7:36pm
  - MCōs
    
    Here’s someone who doesn’t like Asian people in general
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/racism-fallout-at-north-shore-hospital-after-patient-request-to-avoid-asian-staff/JGF23VC6NFCY5AUTO5ZOOWYNTA/
    Furthermore
    My wife is Asian and belongs to a NZ social media group of Thais. Someone commented a couple of days ago about the rise in anti Asian sentiment compared with when they first came here.
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:02am
    - Ghost
      
      I had a Chinese doctor in Auckland when I lived there. They moved to NZ before I was born. Amazing family. Sadly they were on the Holmes show once when their trainee doctor son committed suicide because of the long hospital hours he was having to do. Last I saw of her she was in the media talking about people putting dead birds in her letterbox telling her to go back to China.
      
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      October 5, 2024 10:13am
      - MCōs
        
        There’s a meanness in this world
        
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        October 5, 2024 10:23am
    - Swifty
      
      “We believe Te Whatu Ora has a responsibility to provide a safe working environment for its staff, and that pandering to racism cannot play a part in that. Instead the organisation needs to educate patients on the important role all staff, irrespective of origin, play in delivering care.”
      
      “But of course we’ll fall over backwards to accomodate Maori patients wanting Maori health staff and Pacific patients wanting Pacific staff. That’s perfectly fine, it’s culturally appropriate for them, they’re different you see.”
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:27pm
      - wsk12345
        
        I wonder if they would allow my request to be treated only by doctors who got into med school on their own merits.
        
        I doubt it.
        
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        October 5, 2024 2:00pm
      - Close Hen Counters
        
        100 percent – I’m not sure if the patient complaining is a maori? God I work there and haven’t heard any rumblings on the shop floor about this …. No doubt all will be revealed on Monday soz
        
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        October 5, 2024 2:07pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      A lot of covering up going on re this incident. Pretty sure this means the woke idiocracy is covering for their “special” racists they deem to have immunity from accountability. Pure madness.
      
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      October 5, 2024 9:29pm
  - judith8409121
    
    meddling by chinese government and officials is well known. Interestingly – there is a suggestion that the FSU free speech act has been thrown out because of such meddling
    https://parliamentnews.co.uk/the-suspension-of-the-freedom-of-speech-act
    
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    October 5, 2024 6:00pm
- Paulus
  
  Alternatively like me never buy a Chinese EV.
  We are told new millions are being stored in China as nobody wants them – remember the USA will have not have them, and there are almost none there.
  
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  October 5, 2024 11:41am
  - MCōs
    
    When I was young people used to sneer at Japanese cars
    We always had a Holden with bench seats in the front, three manual gears, radio was an extra and no seat belts of course
    There were English cars everywhere
    My, how times have changed
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:11pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I’ll go with that.
      Jap crap, and it was crap. Then we got the Datsun 120Y or something. Wow!!
      Dad had 2 Datsun 260s? as taxis. Piece of shit but nice back then. Then the Toyota Crown.
      Thing is – who has a Lexus, or has even driven a Lexus?
      I am happy with my Landcruiser.
      
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      October 5, 2024 4:24pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The yank tanks were a lot more solid in the 70s and the “jap crap” was generally pretty flimsy safety wise. That changed in the late 70s and definitely early 80s.
      
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      October 5, 2024 8:55pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Ev’s and boosters? Something most level headed voters do not have
  
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  October 5, 2024 12:38pm
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: At my Age:
I Haven’t Got the Time

https://www.malone.news/p/friday-funnies-at-my-age?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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October 5, 2024 8:28am
I remember when

“It is happening again Boo Boo.”
“What’s that Yogi?”
“It’s the great biblical flood that occurred in Noah’s time only this time it’s in Dunedin.”
“What are they going to do about it Yogi?”
“The mayor is going to go to Wellington to get the Government to do something about it?”
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October 5, 2024 8:36am
- AitchW
  
  I saw Dunedin’s mayor on TV working himself into a lather about the government ‘cancelling’ the local hospital.
  What a delusional dishonest little fellow he is. My only question is does he carry a Labour or Green card?
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:11am
  - MCōs
    
    If I was the mayor of Dunedin or Invercargill, Gore, Southland, Queensland Lakes, Clutha, Central Otago or Waitaki I’d be annoyed too.
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:11am
    - Grunter
      
      Annoyed at the Labour Government is what you mean.
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:34pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Why? Have you not understood that Labour only funded a concrete frame, no equipment was funded the cost north of 1 billion, why should this government have to pick up the slack of 3 billion, that was never what was promised, finish and equip the out patients (yes out patients has not been funded for equipment either) build for all emergency services, then all non emergency care stays in the old hospital, I have no problem with that and I live here, all services remain and the fact that the new hospital was to be 16 stories high gives them plenty of room to sort this
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:49pm
      - Paulus
        
        Dunners remains firm Labour anyway !
        
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        October 5, 2024 1:35pm
  - Philview
    
    I met him a few years ago and he came across as a centre right business man back then. The left wing ODT has really been on his case for not being vocally critical of the current government. He probably sees his election chances as slim if gets offside with the ODT and left wing activist journalists.
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:01pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Centre right he is, and he stood for mayor on a centre right ticket, he has failed to get our rates down as promised, and is kicking up a fuss to get falling support back
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:51pm
  - Taieri
    
    My only question is does he carry a Labour or Green card?
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    Neither.
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:39pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Actually, he was a righty, he was voted in as a conservative to get our f…n rates down, he has failed and we have had rates of 18-20% the last two years, he is carrying on about the hospital to get support back I am convinced, to be fair to him he was protesting Labours hospital twice down sized and once funding drop of 260 mill, I note he said last night he will not take no for an answer, what ever that means, he has done well on this weather event and Mitchel did say as much last night when speaking from Dunedin yesterday
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:44pm
    - wsk12345
      
      Hey G have you been proofreading your posts? They seem so much more articulate and comprehensible than normal – so assuming you are, please keep it up !
      
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      October 5, 2024 2:07pm
- G152
  
  Second flood in 100 years…… We’re all gonna die
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:58am
  - kowtow
    
    Building infrastructure in a low lying former swamp has always been a great idea …….
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:05am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    There was only surface flooding ffs, the floods inn2915 were far worse than this, I also think it’s lies this is our only red weather warning, I am sure the warning before 2015 was as well
    
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    October 5, 2024 2:01pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Red Weather Warnings were only introduced in 2021.
      
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      October 5, 2024 2:31pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        To get in line with NOAAs climate theatrics?
        
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        October 5, 2024 8:58pm
    - MCōs
      
      Flooding is always on the surface by definition
      
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      October 5, 2024 4:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shit! I thought it was Maggie Pie back.
  
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  October 5, 2024 4:25pm
Bridgenag

The Hallett Inquiry – Evidence given on 26 September 2024
Professor Whitty’s responsibilities in the Covid saga

https://open.substack.com/pub/trusttheevidence/p/the-hallett-inquiry-evidence-given-993?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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October 5, 2024 8:38am
imalwaysright

Anyone noticed that the ridiculous tv1 news have taken to interviewing some people in silhouette and disguising their voice?
Saw one commenting on vaping, very dramatic, clearly feared for her life in case the vapers tried to “off” her.
I wonder if tv1 have a witness protection programme?!
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October 5, 2024 8:41am
- MCōs
  
  Shock Horror
  TV1 and many other channels have been doing that for as long as I can remember
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:22am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Mcos,
    Yes, I’m aware of that. These two were different in that they were about minor social issues and the comments made weren’t remotely controversial.
    The dramatic presentation was clearly done for effect. Maybe tv1 are trying to imply that people who speak to the media are at physical risk and by proxy the media are co-victims.
    
    That’s assuming the commenters are genuine. I doubt it.
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:38am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Over vaping? I thi k the rack is the person was speaking out against the minister, I suspect it’s a rotten unionist
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:52pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

This article focuses on a well paid young family (an urban designer, whatever that is, who works on Queen St – a Council apparatchik, perhaps?) with one small child, and how just about everything is bike-accessible.

No word on how any other demographic would manage.

I’m guessing the article is written by someone in the same age group.

http://www.1news.co.nz/2024/10/05/yes-you-can-live-car-free-in-auckland-if-you-choose-your-suburb-wisely/
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October 5, 2024 8:43am
- AitchW
  
  Pfft let’s see how much fun her commute is when it’s pouring with rain, blowing a gale and just above freezing. Or in the high 20s and 100% humidity.
  This is typical cloud cuckoo land Green fantasy propaganda.
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:19am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes it is a stupid argument. Exceptions do not prove anything.
    
    I once lived in an apartment in Central Wellington for 6 months. I did not have a car. It was fine. But that is not typical of where and how most folk live.
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:41am
    - MCōs
      
      Not talking about most folks
      For a period of years in Wellington I biked to work in any old weather and it’s a lot worse down there than Auckland. Doesn’t matter how cold it is you soon warm up. Hot weather isn’t an issue. The wind can be a problem, but when you’re brought up as a Catholic you take suffering in your stride. Offer it up for the Holy Souls!
      
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      October 5, 2024 1:12pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        MCōs how old were you when you did this?
        
        Also don’t forget the roads are now full of idiotic a-holes in oversized tanks texting while driving. Anyone riding a bicycle on urban roads these days has rocks in their heads.
        
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        October 5, 2024 9:01pm
  - Ghost
    
    Sounds like the typical weather we’d bike or walk to school in winter.
    
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    October 5, 2024 1:20pm
Bridgenag

World has gone mad

The English can be as stupid as us. Oh joy.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uks-chicken-license-rebellion-good-way-deal-bad-laws
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October 5, 2024 8:59am
- kowtow
  
  While other international powers invade , arm and militarise ; the UK has just surrendered sovereignty of the Chagos Islands to a country that has no genuine claim to them.
  
  Madness.
  
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  October 5, 2024 12:14pm
  - kiwi_chileno
    
    Expect to see the Chinese establish a naval base. The deal includes Diego Garcia, a UK-US military base: the UK are leasing it back for 99 years. Chagos gives succour to Spanish claims on Gibraltar and Argentina’s on the Falklands https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/30877410/keir-starmer-sign-away-falklands-gibraltar/
    
    Javier Milei, despite his rhetoric about ‘reclaiming’ Argentinian sovereignty over the Falklands, has taken a pragmatic approach: the UK and Argentina recently signed an agreement that allows Argentinians to visit war graves and flights to the Falklands can transit Argentina. Milei’s bellicose Vice President condemned the agreement.
    
    There are long, deep historical ties between the UK and Chile and Chile helped the British during the Falklands War https://en.mercopress.com/2024/05/13/falklands-war-the-secret-pact-between-chile-and-the-united-kingdom-ex-head-of-argentine-army Argentinian generals openly stated that Chile was the next target after the Falklands. It galls the Argentinians that Chile operates direct flights to the Falklands and that the Royal Navy ports in Chile.
    
    In the 1881 treaty with Argentina – Chile was busy beating Peru and Bolivia in the Pacific (Nitrate) War – Chile renounced it’s title to 700, 000 square kilometres of eastern Patagonia (on the other side of the Andes) to the Argentinians: the Argentinians ceded the Straits of Magellan to Chile – in 1979, Argentina and Chile almost went to war over the Beagle Channel.
    
    Chile is extraordinarily sensitive about actual or perceived infringements of its sovereignty by Argentina. In the latest incidents stirring the Chileans, the Argentinian Navy erected solar panels 3 meters inside Chile, followed by an incursion of an unidentified aircraft from Argentina – the Chilean Air Force was scrambled. Milei wants to re-arm Argentina – recently acquiring 24 ex-Danish AF F-16’s – which causes some alarm in Chile.
    
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    October 5, 2024 6:07pm
- Matt Long
  
  I always thought with Brexit that British bureaucracy wanted it because they considered the EU was preventing them from implementing the stupidest kind of regulations they really wanted.
  
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  October 5, 2024 12:45pm
  - Paulus
    
    Starmer and his close members is creating a creeping return to the EC.
    That is why in the election he did not say yea or nay, but more yea on the quiet, by his now Ministers !
    Ladies still love being European as before.
    Watch this space.
    
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    October 5, 2024 1:40pm
Yvette

Racism fallout at North Shore Hospital after patient request to avoid Asian staff
Mat Danaher, the E tū union director responsible for hospitals and care, was unaware of the situation but said, if true, it would be very disappointing.

“We believe Te Whatu Ora has a responsibility to provide a safe working environment for its staff, and that pandering to racism cannot play a part in that. Instead the organisation needs to educate patients on the important role all staff, irrespective of origin, play in delivering care.”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/529889/racism-fallout-at-north-shore-hospital-after-patient-request-to-avoid-asian-staff

What, then, of an entire Health Authority that was established to cater for patient treatment on an assumed racial position? Just as well that was reversed?

Pity, however, that a racial slant (te Puna, Maori Advisory Council to the Water Regulator, Taumata Arowai ) remains in provision of the nation’s water services. [1]
Is it racial to raise one ethnicity above others?
When does racism become Aryanist?

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[1] Minister of Local Government Simeon Brown has announced new appointments to the Board of the Water Services Authority – Taumata Arowai (the Authority), including a new chair, and has reappointed two members of the Authority’s Māori Advisory Group for a further three-year term.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/minister-appoints-new-chair-and-members-water-services-authority
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October 5, 2024 9:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Avoid Asian staff.
  If there was a life or death emergency that patient would have an attitude adjustment immediately.
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:52am
  - rouppe
    
    Yes it’s amazing how Marama Davidson’s attitude to the consequences of colonialism seemed to change when she was diagnosed with cancer.
    
    Haven’t heard a peep from her and her ilk since then.
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:25am
    - Ghost
      
      She was on the news the other day. I didn’t recognize her at first
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/green-party-co-leader-marama-davidson-receiving-chemotherapy-for-breast-cancer/BDQDITOYEZAWRF7HFHDIV4A3TE/
      
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      October 5, 2024 10:32am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        She says “book in your mammogram.”
        Yes, please do.
        And for guys, get a prostate check and PSA blood test – even if you think you are healthy. I found out early too.
        
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        October 5, 2024 11:32am
      - wsk12345
        
        Thought she was going g to stick with Maori medicine? That didn’t last long did it.
        
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        October 5, 2024 2:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @wsk12345,
        Shortage of kawakawa oil. I think they got the oils mixed up.//
        
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        October 5, 2024 4:53pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      But but but, Māori don’t get help
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:53pm
      - Paulus
        
        I would like to know the ethnicity of the person at North Shore Hospital who refues an Asian medical person.
        No, let me guess !
        
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        October 5, 2024 1:42pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Seeing Asian people in NZ gives me hope.
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:44am
- artemisia
  
  I am sure all those involved in any way with the Maori Health Authority were immediately appalled and ran straight to the media to denounce racism.
  
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  October 5, 2024 10:27am
  - Swifty
    
    I nominate the person who voiced their opposition to Asian staff to be awarded The New Zealander of the Year.
    
    For services exposing the utter hypocrisy in our health system.
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:32pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Beggars can’t be choosers – we are so short of junior docs … already needing another 60 registrars in auckland alone. Apparently more dough being poured into medical schools to produce more but with high quotas, your chance of a whitey is quite low. They have filled the Australian medical schools and hospitals never to return
  
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  October 5, 2024 2:10pm
Inandout

Looks like the 3 day leader of the Hezbos has been eliminated. Do they allow women to become leaders….?
https://www.youtube.com/live/Eja2xe-uAEg
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October 5, 2024 9:13am
Damocles11

Personal responsibility vs ‘It’s the gummints fault’.

My father is in his 80’s and said to me yesterday “I’m yet to lie down in a hospital bed”. A former dairy farmer who has never smoked and never drank to excess. If we have a public health crisis then he’s not one of the people driving it.

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Xeet by Alisdair Thompson:
‘I deliver frozen meals 2 families with babies/kids in Akld Hospital.
Amazing to see patients outside smoking.
Today 5 Polynesian overweight female patients were smoking + a Polynesian man & woman (dressed so assume they were visitors) were also smoking .
20/day $45 of $16425 pa.’

https://x.com/ajthompson13/status/1842075852542013831
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October 5, 2024 9:17am
- quarterpack
  
  Should we all be compelled to maximize our time on the planet?
  
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  October 5, 2024 10:11am
  - David Garrett
    
    Quarter: No…but neither should Joe and Jane taxpayer be forced to pay for the healthcare of morbidly obese smokers from South Auckland.
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:23am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    No, but we should be compelled not to be a drain on everyone elses finances when doing obviously stupid crap to ourselves.
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:14pm
Keith White

Shot: New Zealand had a 400% increase in emergency chest pain visits from 2020 to 2023 in patients under age 40

Chaser: Health system: Wellington man’s 11-hour wait with sick daughter in emergency department

Health bureaucrats: nothing to see here, we are not curious, we are not investigating, but there is absolutely NO link with nMRNA vaccines, and if you say there is or if you say there could be, we will strip your licence to practice
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October 5, 2024 9:27am
- Benedict Yu
  
  That is because there is no link with the covid vaccine.
  
  Guess what causes heart damage? COVID. 🙄🙄
  
  https://www.heart.org/en/news/2024/01/16/how-covid-19-affects-your-heart-brain-and-other-organs#:~:text=Research%20shows%20COVID%2D19%20infection,heartbeat%20known%20as%20atrial%20fibrillation.
  
  Anyone with heart issues is well advised to be up to date with their COVID vaccines because of the protection that COVID vaccines afford to people with underlying heart conditions. That is why I have had 7 covid vaccine shots. I would not even contemplate skipping vaccination.
  
  The protective effect of COVID vaccines for people with cardiac issues was recently determined conclusively in the analysis of a UK data set with 46 million records. I posted this analysis recently. I assume you did not read it.
  
  As for authorities in New Zealand not caring, there is currently a Royal Commission in progress. That is about as caring as you get.
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:52am
  - David Garrett
    
    …I got as far as “our kaimahi [staff]…” and that was it for me.
    
    Ironically, due to my natural curiosity, I probably have a greater knowledge of te reo than the idiots who write this dross.
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:06am
  - rouppe
    
    We also know that thousands of medical professionals exempted themselves from being vaccinated because they were “essential medical staff”.
    
    Why? With any other medical emergency, like polio, medical professionals would be the first to get a vaccination.
    
    How many of those exempted professionals have subsequently caught up on covid vaccinations? If it is so great at preventing covid why don’t they take it? Genuine question, I don’t know and haven’t heard.
    
    Have the intervening years allowed Pfizer to complete testing and remove their exemption from prosecution? No.
    
    I started having chest pains after vaccination (had first 3) but before catching first and only bout of covid in December 2023 on an overseas trip. Still not adequately explained by any doctor.
    
    I have a close friend who developed debilitating health issues within hours of the second jab.
    
    I just don’t trust mRNA anymore. Happy to have other “traditional” types.
    
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    October 5, 2024 10:43am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Look out for Robert M Malone posts
      
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      October 5, 2024 12:58pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Or Dr Pierre Kory.
        
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        October 5, 2024 2:42pm
    - wsk12345
      
      BY isnt interested in reality- only articles in the “right” journals.
      
      How can I know two people who got myocarditis right after the first shot and one with blood clots (still getting them years later)? I only know about 30 people and half of them are unvaxxed.
      
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      October 5, 2024 2:18pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Or our youngest very fit and healthy make flatmate who got pericarditis after the first shot. Decided there was no way he would risk a second. Hiwever was strongly “encouraged” to do so by the hospital Dr’s, but that he should do it “in hospital in case of further bad reactions” 🤯. Sheer lunacy.
        
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        October 5, 2024 2:46pm
  - bennerg
    
    Benedict, you seem to have developed a habit of making claims lacking any scientific backing … your claims yesterday that vaccines were the major reason for the elimination of Whooping Cough, dispproved subsequently in my posts, and now that “there is no link with the covid vaccine“.
    
    “An OIA (freedom of information) request to Health New Zealand asked for “The number of people under the age of 40 presenting to Emergency Departments (A&E) throughout New Zealand hospitals with Chest Pain or Heart Issues by year?” The Health New Zealand answer (OIA reference: HNZ00061156) contains shattering information:
    
    Year | Number presenting to Emergency Departments with chest pain
    2019 2219
    2020 4406
    2021 13063
    2022 21416
    2023 20005
    2024 (to June) 14639
    
    These figures need to be read in the context of COVID-19 incidence in New Zealand. Because of border closures, quarantine, and lockdowns, New Zealand had close to zero Covid cases until February 2022. In contrast, Pfizer mRNA COVID-19 vaccination became available in February 2021 for older people and those at risk. General availability for those under 40 years started towards mid 2021. Legislation making COVID-19 mRNA vaccination compulsory for those in various state employment sectors (vaccine mandates) was enacted in November 2021. The mandates were also adopted by the vast majority of private employers.”
    
    So the massive spike in these admission came before covid, but right after the “vaccine” was rolled out.
    
    Reference: https://hatchardreport.com/staggering-new-data-from-health-new-zealand-and-others/
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:52pm
- Inandout
  
  KW, perhaps you are correct in your assumption, perhaps not, but what amazes me is that recently retired health professionals have not ‘broken their silence’. A retiree has no axe to grind surely?
  
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  October 5, 2024 9:57am
  - wsk12345
    
    They also have no reason to have their good name dragged through the mud by the media pile on.
    
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    October 5, 2024 2:19pm
- Yvette
  
  Another perspective?
  … chest pain ED visits by under 40s jumped from 111 in 2018 to 2219 in 2019, then doubled to 4406 in 2020, which is close to a 3,900% increase between 1 January 2018 and 31 December 2020.
  What’s interesting is that there was absolutely no COVID vaccine causing any of these rising chest pain visits to this point, because no vaccine had been released in NZ yet. But in any medical study, a 3,900% increase would, and should, trigger investigative alarm bells.
  What was causing it? COVID had shown up in fewer than 1000 people total, all age groups, by the end of 2020, and the number of under-40s would be a pro rata fraction of that. Additionally, most of those testing positive did so at the border quarantine – they weren’t hospital walk-ins – and everyone walking into hospital was being COVID-tested every which way but loose. So it’s safe to assume that whatever phenomenon was behind the rapidly escalating chest pain wave, it wasn’t COVID or the not yet deployed vaccine.
  https://centrist.co.nz/new-data-on-mystery-chest-pain-reports/
  
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  October 5, 2024 10:17am
  - Matt Long
    
    The common denominator over that period was the appearance of one Jacinda Ardern waving her hands around on TV, oh, and the liberalisation of abortion laws.
    
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    October 5, 2024 12:52pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    More important context:
    2021 saw the number of under-40s complaining of chest pain leap from 4406 in 2020 to 13063 by the end of 2021, the year of the vaccine.
    
    2022, with vaccine uptake rapidly falling in the young as omicron swept through regardless of vax status, logged 21416 hospital ED visits for chest pain.
    
    In 2023, it fell for the first time, dropping to 20005.
    
    So there was a huge 3x increase +8500 cases to 13000 in 2021 over 4400 in 2020, with next to no viruses in circulation. 2018, 2019, 2020 were all <4400
    
    The very low reporting in 2018 could well be a reporting issue, would need to see data from previous years.
    
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    October 5, 2024 1:01pm
    - Keith White
      
      The data from previous years are readily available to compare.
      
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      October 5, 2024 9:10pm
- Ghost
  
  Presenting with chest pains doesn’t mean heart. I’ve been there when people are turning up with chest pains to get the pink lady for their acid.
  
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  October 5, 2024 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I agree with the chest pain not mean heart.
    After my two compulsory vaccines to get a silly passport, the chest pains started up for my. Bad pains. 4 times in an ambulance to North Shore Hosp. Chest pains radiating to the shoulder and down the arm.
    Finally it was tracked down to the pain going the other way – shoulder to the chest.
    Rotor cuff. 3 tendon tears and a bone spur that decided to give me a hard time. Heavy meds to control pain while I wait for surgery.
    Because of the Covid fear I really did think of heart issues.
    
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    October 5, 2024 11:49am
  - Keith White
    
    It doesn’t mean heart but it does mean a relevant time consuming and sometimes expensive protocol to prove it is not heart.
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:09pm
trout

An interesting take on changes in the Republican Party as represented by the choice of J.D. Vance and the positions he took in the VP debate.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/rip-never-trump-gop-vances-dominant-debate-beginning-end
quote:’Trumpian populism, or the New Right, has four essential pillars erected by Trump: anti-globalism, a strong border, energy independence and taking the fight to wokeness. On all four, Vance made the case.’
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October 5, 2024 10:04am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Pandemic Democrats Were Hoping for This Year Never Materialized.
“It’s too bad for the Democrats that none of these potential diseases panned out in 2024. They were hoping that another pandemic would lead to more universal mail-in voting. Instead, it looks like Americans will have to have an election the old-fashioned way—with less cheating!”
Democrats don’t cheat!//

https://rightsideoffers.com/thepoliticalmovement/the-pandemic-democrats-were-hoping-for-this-year-never-materialized/?
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October 5, 2024 10:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Chicago. The black gangs have stopped shooting each other due to a new threat – Venezuelans.

https://freedomeagledaily.com/theteapartydaily/chicago-is-a-powder-keg-as-black-gangs-square-off-against-venezuelan-invaders/?
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October 5, 2024 10:15am
Surely Knott

The progressive influencers have been promoting race as a primary factor in medical care and now they are surprised at the rise in racism and that people are requesting specific race doctors. It was always racist.

This:
E Tangata Re News May 2023, ““I went to medical school to train to be a Māori doctor. Not a doctor, a Māori doctor,” writes Emma Espiner, who’s now a junior doctor at Middlemore Hospital.”

That:
The NZ Herald Reports today “Racism fallout at North Shore Hospital after patient request to avoid Asian staff”

https://e-tangata.co.nz/reflections/maori-doctor/
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October 5, 2024 10:21am
- Cassandra
  
  “By Maori for Maori” is apparently not racist, whereas “By European for European” is? They’re both nuts IMO.
  
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  October 5, 2024 11:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Racism goes out the door if there is a life or death emergency.
    Funny that race does not matter if you might die.
    
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    October 5, 2024 11:53am
- mandk
  
  Emma Espiner is a hypocrite of the worst kind.
  
  If she had any integrity, she would be practising only Māori medicine and surgery in a Maori hospital.
  
  Dissecting aortic aneurism? I’ve got a karakia for that.
  
  Ruptured appendix? Here, have an infusion of kawakawa.
  
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  October 5, 2024 11:24am
  - MCōs
    
    She was at Middlemore Hospital when I was there.
    My sister saw her when she was walking round one of the corridors.
    Maybe you could pop over there. If you saw her there you could ask her to her face.
    Or you could read her book like I did.
    
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    October 5, 2024 4:26pm
- Paulus
  
  Is she related to the so called media people of the same name ?
  
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  October 5, 2024 1:45pm
  - Swifty
    
    Guyon’s ex.
    
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    October 5, 2024 2:59pm
- MCōs
  
  Nowhere does she say she won’t attend to non Māori patients at Middlemore
  
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  October 5, 2024 2:21pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    But MCōs, the issue is not about “not attending to” NZ untermensch, er I mean non-Maori people.
    
    It’s about prioritising care by racial heritage, is it not?
    
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    October 5, 2024 9:20pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Wonder if Marama and the TPM MP want “Maori Only” staff to look after them??
  
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  October 5, 2024 2:53pm
  - MCōs
    
    She’s on Instagram
    I’m sure she’d be pleased to put you straight
    BTW
    She’s the leader of a multiethnic party in parliament if that’s a pointer.
    
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    October 5, 2024 4:29pm
    - greybeard
      
      “Multi-Ethnic” to get them INTO Parliament, but “Maori-only” AFTER that.
      
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      October 5, 2024 6:13pm
Tauhei Notts

I read a description of Tim Walz on an English language site, out of Germany.
“Tim Walz is an archetypal gelded progressivoid male of the kind common in academia.”
Don’t hold back, Hermann.
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October 5, 2024 10:55am
Chuck Bird

Act’s Simon Court was on The Platform to discuss this extreme and hateful statement by Damian O’Conner, along with the ridiculous decision by Hastings District Council to give kids voting rights on council committees and subcommittees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWh3lnVn7Gg
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October 5, 2024 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I still did not hear about what happened when the Taxpayer’s Union said they were going to set up a bouncy castle at the Council for the adult children.
  
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  October 5, 2024 11:56am
  - Jethrod
    
    Yes ,all good fun! Jordan Williams is a good speaker and committed to taking down the vote to have 17 year Olds voting for important stuff.
    Anna Lorck’s husband is a councilor and I expected him to vote in favour of the kiddies, but low and behold he voted against the motion! Must have a few clues!
    
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    October 5, 2024 1:48pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Perhaps he has teenagers
      
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      October 5, 2024 5:08pm
kowtow

I see red,

From yesterday , in answer to your question re Ardern speaking fees . That was discussed between Soper and HDPA last weekish on radio and was possibly triggered by this;

‘One Asia-based organisation claiming to be able to book Ardern for events told The Post the fee would be about US$200,000 (NZ$316,000).’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350433004/dame-jacinda-arderns-busy-post-politics-life
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October 5, 2024 12:28pm
- Conservatarian
  
  Payments funded by Pfizer; part of the ongoing series of payments of commission and bonus for global “vaccine” salesman of the month Nov 2021.
  
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  October 5, 2024 5:06pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350441514/scoreless-streak-hurts-nz-breakers-116-87-loss-utah-jazz
Maybe the pansy pink outfits are having some sort of subliminal effect on their judgement.
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October 5, 2024 6:18pm
Tauhei Notts

I have read widely on how the Deep State do not want Trump as president.
Then I looked at the odds on Betfair. Vance is paying $180 whereas Walz is paying $760.
Look at those odds and think.
I think Trump is the bravest politician in the world.
The betting markets suggest that he is in danger.
Harris is presently the favourite, but not by much.
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October 5, 2024 7:39pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Trump is 78, which means a 1 in 19 chance of dying per year, or about 1 in 190 over a month.
  
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  October 5, 2024 11:18pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350441622/crew-abandon-ship-liferafts-after-nz-navy-vessel-runs-aground-samoa

“According to the Defence Force website, it has a crew of 39 led by Commander Yvonne Gray and can hold up to 66 people in bunks.”

“…Arndell said the 78 people on board were in life-rafts and accounted for.”

This happened sometime around 9pm.
Apparently they were surveying a reef on a Saturday night !

Something not right with this story, especially those numbers. Party ?
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