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pdm

Good to see Tim Southee take the initiative and stand down as New Zealand Cricket Captain. It just has not worked under his leadership and his form has suffered.

It is a shame though that Gary Stead does not have the same character. He is past his use by date and some of his decisions and selections leave a lot to be desired.

Come on Gary do the honourable thing and let the next Coach/Manager in line take over.
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October 2, 2024 8:14am
- imalwaysright
  
  Same with ABs dragging out the overdue departures of Perenara and Cane to enable milestones or other gestures.
  Time to select on ability and leave the mateship out of it.
  
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  October 2, 2024 8:28am
  - pdm
    
    ima I have a post on Razors first lt of tests over at No Minister which may interest you.
    https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/10/01/razors-all-blacks-so-far/
    
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    October 2, 2024 9:26am
- john1234
  
  NZ cricket does appear to have fallen off a cliff and that’s despite having arguably the best playing roster we’ve ever had.
  
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  October 2, 2024 8:38am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  So they are in India, about to start a test against one of the toughest teams in the world, and you want the coach to stand down while on your?
  
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  October 2, 2024 8:48am
  - pdm
    
    G – he could say these tests will be his last hurrah.
    
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    October 2, 2024 9:30am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Maybe, but what will that do for morale?
      
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      October 2, 2024 9:35am
      - pdm
        
        Could well improve it – he is well past his use by date.
        
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        October 2, 2024 9:50am
- alex Masterley
  
  Agreed.
  Regrettably Tim S has passed his use by date going by his recent performances.
  My own view is that he should retire.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:03am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    All things must pass
    
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    October 2, 2024 9:14am
- MCōs
  
  New Zealand’s problem is other teams grab our best coaches, probably by paying a lot more money than NZC
  Rugby is heading the same way with its players; particularly in the women’s game
  The big problem with rugby, football, netball is isolation down here at the bottom of the world
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:19am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  Stead is what i would describe as a very dour, uninspirational captain.
  There have been some good results which were largely down to the brilliance of our all time greatest batsman.
  
  His lack of tactical nous at the last world cups and some poor coaching staff selections have continued the decline. Installing Southee as captain should have never been allowed.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:29am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    Coach I mean….
    
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    October 2, 2024 10:03am
- cmm
  
  Bread and circuses without the bread.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:39am
artemisia

Richard Prebble in the Herald today (paywalled) – What’s gone wrong for the news media

And this other question from him – Why does the taxpayer own media outlets which the public does not trust?

And he includes this interesting and very pertinent reference – A former CIA analyst Martin Gurri has an explanation. Gurri’s job in the CIA was to analyse the world’s media. He noticed something extraordinary: “In the year 2001, double the amount of information was produced that had been produced by the entire human race from the cave paintings and the dawn of culture until now. 2002 doubled 2001.”
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October 2, 2024 8:16am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  And that was years before the advent of the iPhone.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kamala Harris shows her hypocracy.
$3.8M on private jet flights in 6 weeks! She sure is fighting climate change.

https://pjnewsletter.com/kamala-harris-climate-change/?
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October 2, 2024 8:26am
- imalwaysright
  
  I see Trump visited the victims of the hurricane.
  Harris was embarrassed into cutting short her fundraising to go and meet their civil defense people. Still no sign of J Biddy though.
  
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  October 2, 2024 8:48am
  - MAGA, Mostly Aryans on Government Assistance
    
    Trumps “people” made recovery workers build him a little brick wall.
    Trump stopped the recovery workers and redirected their time to being his little audience.
    
    Why does Trump seem to need alt-right media sites to sane wash trump’s actions and words?…seems russian has some financial interest in those sites
    
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    October 2, 2024 10:52am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The alt left think that simply their right to fight climate change, she will think when I get in, these other assholes won’t be allowed to do this, I am important you know, right out of Dizzy Arden’s play book
  
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  October 2, 2024 8:51am
- kowtow
  
  The head of the UN , and many other leaders, political and ngo etc , say the biggest threat to the world is a trace gas CO2 ,which is essential to life on Earth.
  
  Meanwhile in the real world Russia at war with Ukraine , Sudan in forever civil war ( and other vast swathes of Africa) China militarising the South China Sea , North Korea the world’s largest concentration camp ,and as we sit at our computers 10 million Israelis in air raid shelters as a sovereign ( and theocratic) state launches 150 + missiles at another sovereign nation Israel , who is fighting to defend its people from attacks from Lebanon , Syria , Iraq ,Gaza and Yemen ( this latter who also attacks international shipping) as well as domestic terrorism ( more Israelis murdered today at a train station).
  
  and all the while our own politicians drive up the price of food , fuel and running the economy because of a crazy misguided obsession with a trace gas .
  
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  October 2, 2024 8:55am
  - Local Miller
    
    Make that 200+ missiles, possibly as many as 350.
    
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    October 2, 2024 10:44am
Simon

China gets its oil from Iran. No real war between Israel Iran otherwise NZs biggest trade partner will hit problems then NZ has problems. Trump the peace prez the world needs.
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October 2, 2024 8:29am
- MCōs
  
  At the moment it’s Israel propped up by America on one side of the equation and a variety of designated terrorist organizations propped up by Iran propped up by China on the other.
  What’s Trump going to do different?
  Netanyahu is king of the castle at the moment. He’s faced down everyone at little cost to Israel except those hostages who he doesn’t seem to mind throwing under the bus to prove what a hard man he is.
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:11am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Idiot Noah Builds An Ark When He Could Have Just Paid More Taxes To Stop Climate Change. This Noah dude is on to it.

https://babylonbee.com/news/idiot-noah-builds-an-ark-when-he-could-have-just-paid-more-taxes-to-stop-climate-change?
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October 2, 2024 8:29am
nathie

Breaking news: TVNZ chases down former PM Jacinda Ardern demanding to know whether she is paying tax on her $300k speaking circuit fee income!

Update: Oops seems that was a leaked Tui Ad script instead!
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October 2, 2024 8:29am
- Scooter
  
  She would have to declare all overseas income what is more interesting is if she is still entitled to super if she stays overseas after the maximum period allowed to remain in NZ, I think 5 years from age 50?
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:35am
  - Flossie
    
    I very much doubt her possible future NZ pension enters into her present gravy train thinking. It’s peanuts in her world.
    
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    October 2, 2024 9:54am
  - MCōs
    
    Jacinda Ardern is not a NZ resident for taxation purposes
    Like anyone else she’ll be subject to income tax in her country of residence which right now is America
    She is 44yo. One suspects NZ Superannuation is not at the forefront of her mind.
    
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    October 2, 2024 10:18am
    - Jethrod
      
      Pray tell…. what is at the forefront of her mind?
      
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      October 2, 2024 10:33am
    - leoj
      
      Sane people would hope she remains a non NZ resident.
      
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      October 2, 2024 10:34am
    - Vidar
      
      Has she sold her New Zealand home? If not, she may still have a permanent place of abode, which will make her a tax resident, even if she spends fewer than 183 days in New Zealand each year.
      
      She might be able to find a way around it, but it’s worth considering that the tax rate in New Zealand could actually be lower than what she might face in the US.
      
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      October 2, 2024 10:58am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I’m pretty sure NZ reserves the right to tax New Zealanders wherever they are in the work, unless they state by words or actions that they don’t intend to return to the country.
      
      As an ex PM, I think Jacinda would find it very hard to pass that test.
      
      Hopefully she is in the sights of IRD’s high wealth individuals unit.
      
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      October 2, 2024 11:17am
- kowtow
  
  Wouldn’t it be nice if te legacy media did a story or 5 on just where these eyewateringly ridiculous fees/funds actually come from and who would be stupid enough to waste even an hour of their life to go and listen to such an empty vessel .
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:07am
- peterwn
  
  As for the audiences of her speaking engagements, there is one born every minute. I would find Germaine Greer more interesting and entertaining (I did attend one of her sessions some years ago).
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:14am
  - Phronesis
    
    “Just because you lop off your dick and then wear a dress doesn’t make you a fucking woman. I’ve asked my doctor to give me long ears and liver spots and I’m going to wear a brown coat but that won’t turn me into a fucking cocker spaniel.… ”
    
    Vintage Germaine Greer.
    
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    October 2, 2024 11:18am
Cassandra

News that the Minister for ToW matters is meeting with Ngapuhi hapu today raises interesting topics. Ngapuhi says it didn’t cede sovereignty; just about everyone else says it did. Or if it didn’t in 1840 it certainly has since. That debate is over. How do you compromise on sovereignty? It raises the bigger question – where do we go now? A significant proportion of Maori people want to be seperate – to have special treatment denied to all others New Zealanders. That’s not going to be acceptable to most of the rest of us. But perhaps there’s a solution? We could all be special. Start with race-based seats in Parliament: let’s have multiple options, you opt for one eg Indian or Pacific Islander or European, whatever you predominately identify with, Seats are allocated in proportion to votes with a minimum of say 2%. That way everyone will be happy. Or at least they might stop moaning.
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October 2, 2024 8:38am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The moaning hasn’t stopped in 60 years so I doubt it will ever really cease…..
  
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  October 2, 2024 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ has many Chinese. Why don’t they have dedicated Parliament seats?
  
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  October 2, 2024 8:56am
  - nz_aj
    
    NZ has even more from Celtic nations – Brittany, Cornwall, Ireland, Isle of Man, Scotland, Wales.
    
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    October 2, 2024 9:12am
    - kowtow
      
      The English are also Celts , prior to the Roman invasion. And post the Roman departure they got a good injection of diversity from the Anglo Saxon Jutes , other Scandis and then the Normans who were also Scandi .
      
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      October 2, 2024 10:00am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I assume that your question is rhetorical. If you asked Chris Luxon, he would remind you that the Chinese don’t have a partnership with the Crown. Simple as that.
    
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    October 2, 2024 10:24am
    - Cassandra
      
      Nobody has a partnership with the Crown. Or everyone does.
      
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      October 2, 2024 11:14am
- Grunter
  
  Cassandra – surely you are joking….?
  
  Your multiple options of races merely illustrate how silly this whole thing is. Separatism (apartheid) always fails. So let’s not go there.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:09am
  - Cassandra
    
    I’m not joking. What I’m trying to do is break the logjam. By diluting the racism – there’d be 10 or more different racial parties – I’m hoping to make it meaningless. We’d all be “special”. Anyone else have a bright idea?
    
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    October 2, 2024 11:17am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Wrong direction of travel, Cassandra.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:16am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    But inevitable. As long as politicians find it convenient to divide us into tribes that can be pitted against each other, the concept of a unified national state will continue to deteriorate.
    
    Until one day, white people will realise they also represent a voting bloc, at which point they will have racist screamed at them all day, every day.
    
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    October 2, 2024 11:16am
- alloytoo
  
  In the absence of cession of Sovereignty can they please supply a list of members so their New Zealand passports can be cancelled.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:45am
- leoj
  
  If they want to be separate there is always White Island that’s free.
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:36am
Anthony Melchett

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/former-rotorua-principal-kairo-mclean-sentenced-for-forging-documents-to-claim-inheritance/

Another quality diversity hire showing his good character.

Seriously, how drug soaked do you have to be to forge documents to get the inheritance you were always going to get! And this guy was running a school!

Nice of him to get a weak as piss judge though, cant imagine I would get the same treatment as I have the wrong skin colour.

“She reached an end sentence of 12 months’ imprisonment which she decided was best served as a six-month term of community detention.

This meant he would need to be home between 9pm and 6am every night”

That will teach him…
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October 2, 2024 8:42am
Scooter

Listen to Giorgia Meloni Prime Minister of Italy described by some as far right, powerful words in very good english.

From 4mins she says the west is more than just a physical place, but a civilisation built over centuries, the person is central, men and women are equal and free, systems are democratic, the state is secular and based on rule of law.

https://youtu.be/443n-KdNi3c?si=Yx53E0wjWkgKB9G2
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October 2, 2024 8:57am
- NothingLeft
  
  Clearly a Fascist or Nazi or something. She should stop fighting the inevitable tides of history and just love Big Brother.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:35am
- cmm
  
  “Far right” means anyone with a vaguely nationalistic bone in their body.
  Someone that puts the interests of their citizens ahead of those of invading hoards from Africa: far right.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:43am
  - NothingLeft
    
    far right is more accurately “far center” to those in media and those invested in neo-marxist woke ideology beloved of the civil service / NGO ‘blob’
    
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    October 2, 2024 9:49am
I remember when

Indigenous approach to water spreading: Breaking Views.
A Maori earth sciences expert says the Maori approach to the protection and sustainable use of water is gaining momentum.
Auckland University associate professor Dan Hikuroa was one of the closing speakers at last week’s Water New Zealand conference.
He says Maori input to local councils has brought a more holistic view to resource management, and more in line with a global trend to give indigenous practices more attention….

And what is the Maori approach?
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October 2, 2024 8:58am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  The Maori approach is to get rid of the wheel, go back to a pre Iron Age civilisation, wage war against anyone who is not your tribe and eat everything that moves. Including each other. Holistic.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:45am
- Eastlander
  
  It’s holistic. That means it can’t be explained solely by scientific measurement but rather by the hononga between the tangata and the wai. It’s difficult mahi to say how that will be achieved but a good koha and the appointment of a few Iwi liaisons will certainly help.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:45am
  - mandk
    
    Could we have that either entirely in English, or entirely in Te Reo? I don’t mind which.
    
    Words become gobbledygook if you create a salad of different languages.
    
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    October 2, 2024 10:23am
    - Ehlana
      
      In this case, that may actually be the point.
      
      If you want to preserve your honoured (and well-recompensed) position, the one thing you must ensure is that the ordinary people can’t work it out for themselves.
      
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      October 2, 2024 10:52am
    - Eastlander
      
      Certainly not, this is a Te Tiriti-led society and Maori has to be centered at all times. Tangata Tiriti like yourself have no business making demands of the Tangata Whenua.
      
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      October 2, 2024 10:55am
    - Local Miller
      
      Which was exactly why Eastlander worded it the way they did.
      
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      October 2, 2024 10:56am
- alloytoo
  
  It’s a post colonial noble savage narrative.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:46am
- Yvette
  
  I remember when – And what is the Maori approach?
  
  Taumata Arowai – (the New Zealand Water Regulator)
  Taumata Arowai recognises that it does not work alone when it comes to wai. Taumata Arowai works in partnership, taking its lead from Te Tiriti o Waitangi. We work collaboratively across Aotearoa with:
  • whānau, hapū and iwi Māori
  • Crown entities, such as the Ministry for the Environment, Ministry of Health, Department of Internal Affairs and the Commerce Commission
  • public health units (PHUs)
  • regional, city and district councils, drinking water suppliers, water management companies
  • all people in Aotearoa.
  https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz/about/who-we-are/
  
  and te Puna, the Maori Advisory Council to Taumata Arowai – a Council which the National-led Coalition retains because they recently appointed two new members to it.
  
  And, I remember when, that is the Maori approach
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:00am
- Scott
  
  It’s just the weirdest thing, the idea that Maori lived in harmony with the environment? They absolutely did not.
  
  Here are the facts. Maori were responsible for the extinction of the moa, the huia bird and the Haast eagle. They killed every seal and penguin they could find.
  
  In the musket wars they killed each other, somewhere around a third of all Maori died in the tribal wars. The Maori tribal society was characterised by incessant war and violence, up to and including brutal slavery and cannibalism.
  
  So the idea that Maori have any special ancient knowledge to bring to environmental issues is completely misguided.
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:12am
- cmm
  
  I recently saw a video where a Maori bloke was saying civil engineers should listen to Maori engineers.
  
  If the Maori didn’t build there, then it is unsafe and don’t build there.
  
  Of course that is bullshit. If we applied that principle we wouldn’t use concrete or stress analysis. We wouldn’t build roads, dams, tunnels and bridges.
  
  And when something fails we’d just say the taniwha was pissed off – rather than understand the calculations etc.
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:47am
NothingLeft

Israel and Iran are now effectively in a hot-war, and both (most likely) have the bomb. So what will response to Iran’s firing 180 ballistic missiles at Israel be?

Can Israel afford to take gamble that Iran won’t stick nuclear warheads on their missiles? They’ve frequently stated their desire to destroy Israel and kill all Jews and have a nutty death-cult theocracy that regards murder and death (even their own) of millions in the name of Islam as good/righteous.

Will Biden’s + Kamala’s puppeteers see this as an opportunity to win next months election through a ‘nice little war’ against Iran? Iran’s proxy targetting of busy shipping lanes has provided extra impetus for a severe response, and the evil Mullah’s have been enshittifying the lives of the poor Persians for far too long as is.
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October 2, 2024 9:03am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Don’t think Iran is quite there yet
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:38am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, I doubt Israel would allow them to get there.
    
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    October 2, 2024 9:44am
    - kevn
      
      cmm… Indeed. The pagers might have just been a warm-up.
      
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      October 2, 2024 10:23am
- john1234
  
  Iran flung about 180 missiles at Israel for a day, with little tangible impact and zeri Israeli fatalities as most were intercepted, then said “done”.
  In other words, a symbolic rattle of the sabre. They don’t have the will to take a bigger risk and are rightly fearful of Israel’s retaliation.
  Doesn’t stop the breathless panic mongering by the media.
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:36am
- Handyman
  
  Back in the 80’s, Iran threated (as they do for time to time) to block the strait of Hormuz.
  At that time, USA and UK had strong leaders who pointed out it would take just 4 cruise missiles to destroy Kharg Island from where all Iranian oil is shipped. Iran would have had zero income for years. Iran backed down.
  
  The west’s strategy was called “Peace Through Strength”.
  How is the Obama/Biden/Harris strategy “Peace Through Appeasement” working out?
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:40am
Bridgenag

A Break in the Bell Jar

SIMPLICIUS

“The most eye-opening part: the diminutive town of only 4,200 population was flooded with over 2,000 Haitian migrants in only a months-long span, instantly changing the town’s landscape and overwhelming its services like some lurid social experiment. The more grassroots-oriented video is a must watch, as it hasn’t been astroturfed and carpetbagged like some of the bigger NGO-sponsored stuff now being pumped”

https://open.substack.com/pub/darkfutura/p/a-break-in-the-bell-jar?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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October 2, 2024 9:05am
Bridgenag

On the Unjust and Ridiculous Conviction of C.J. Hopkins

EUGYPPIUS

“Twice in August 2022, the American playwright, satirist and longtime Berlin resident C.J. Hopkins tweeted cover art from his book on The Rise of the New Normal Reich. This art featured an image of a Covid-era medical mask with a barely-visible white swastika superimposed upon it. In his first tweet, Hopkins wrote that “Masks are symbols of ideological conformity. That’s all that they are, and that’s all they ever were. Stop pretending that they were ever anything else or get used to wearing them.” In his second tweet, Hopkins simply quoted Health Minister Karl Lauterbach’s notorious statement that “Masks always send a signal.””

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/on-the-unjust-and-ridiculous-conviction?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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October 2, 2024 9:09am
- quarterpack
  
  I wore a mask in the vague hope it might slightly lessen my chances of catching covid. As did most of the population Those who attribute this action to taking part in some vast plot are wrong.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:55am
- peterwn
  
  If he did not want to abide by German law, he should not have moved to Germany.
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:05am
  - Handyman
    
    But but… immigrants do not have to abide by German law. /s
    
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    October 2, 2024 10:48am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Having given $100m away, the CEO & Board of Meridian must be sitting uncomfortably, what with the forthcoming changes to the RMA recently announced.
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October 2, 2024 9:09am
- peterwn
  
  That is what the 51% shareholder wanted and expected. The Board really had no choice. In reality this will put further upward pressure on power prices when many are squarking about power high prices.
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:01am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report: one lonely bicycle present.
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October 2, 2024 9:14am
- I remember when
  
  All that’s needed is another one so the council can report 100% increase in its use.
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:29am
- nathie
  
  Woah looking at the photo in this Post article on the bike rack it looks rather extravagant and presumably will require ongoing maintenance (more $$) to ensure the mechanical aspects of it continue to function over time?
  
  https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350401276/designer-bike-rack-costs-out-park-councillor
  
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  October 2, 2024 9:35am
  - Jethrod
    
    There doesn’t appear to be a charging point for electric bikes.
    
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    October 2, 2024 10:45am
    - Ehlana
      
      Why would the public be providing the electricity for the bikes? Or were you thinking of a paid point?
      
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      October 2, 2024 10:56am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Unaccountably, there are half a dozen bikes chained to posts just 25m away, outside the Council offices.
  
  You’d think cyclists would be keen to try out the new facilities, but it seems 25m is a pedal too far.
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:15am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Nicola’s call for public sector office drones to return to the office has had its predictable effect. Queues at the cheapest cafe on The Terrace out the door at both 8.30am & 9.15, and possibly every moment in between, for all I know.
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October 2, 2024 9:24am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Walked past the same cafe just now – queue is out the door & onto the footpath.
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:12am
- Ehlana
  
  Can’t be. We were assured that if public servants were required to go to the office, paying for transport and childcare once again, they would have no money for cafe spending.
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

There’s DNA in that Pfizer. Peter’s Substack.
“At least one batch of the Pfizer covid vaccine delivered to New Zealand was contaminated with synthetic DNA.”
“Both Medsafe and Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) were told about DNA contamination over a year ago but appear to have done virtually nothing about it. In fact Medsafe has since granted three more approvals to Pfizer for Covid products.”

Who wants a vaccine now?

https://peterallanwilliams.substack.com/p/theres-dna-in-that-pfizer
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October 2, 2024 9:31am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Is this the same Peter Williams who used to be on ZB radio? The one that has been wailing vaccine conspiracy theories for three years? The one who thinks that climate change is a hoax?
  
  This is just another version of folk losing their minds about monkey 🙊 DNA and other types of DNA wreaking havoc.
  
  https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-f3c1d54f2d059de0532360d638335e99
  
  I can’t wait for the Royal Commission to report next year and report that the vaccine was safe and that it saved thousands of lives.
  
  https://www.covid19lessons.royalcommission.nz/
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:18am
  - imalwaysright
    
    “I can’t wait for the Royal Commission to report next year and report that the vaccine was safe and that it saved thousands of lives.”
    
    Faith is a personal matter that brings comfort to an individual.
    It is, however, unusual to see it applied to a chemical.
    Perhaps the miracles being attributed to this chemical can be regarded in the same light as other miracles.
    
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    October 2, 2024 11:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes. The Peter Williams of the Taxpayer’s Union as well.
    
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    October 2, 2024 11:06am
alloytoo

It’s not a vaccine.

It doesn’t do what a vaccine is supposed to do and has a number of severe side effects.

I’d call it Vapourware, but it does exist and does make some people seriously ill.

Bio-Weapon too strong?
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October 2, 2024 9:50am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Your last question is ridiculous.
  The COVID vaccine is about as effective as the influenza vaccine. Everyone has been getting that every 12 months for 30 years.
  
  So you need to be vaccinated every 12 months, or every 6 months if you want a high assurance of not getting COVID. I don’t see what the problem is.
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:22am
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    so you think the “vaccine” stops you getting Covid?
    
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    October 2, 2024 10:38am
  - cmm
    
    “The COVID vaccine is about as effective as the influenza vaccine.”
    
    Absolute nonsense.
    
    The influenza vaccine is a “real” vaccine and covers multiple different strains of influenza.
    
    The Covid vaccine is a one-trick-pony and only knows last years tricks.
    
    When the influenza vaccine “fails” it is due to the patient being exposed to a variant not covered by the vaccine.
    
    To conflait them is incredibly disingenuous.
    
    But it is a relatively free world. Continue jabbing yourself with whatever you like.
    
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    October 2, 2024 10:55am
Jack5

Defence of free speech in Irish Republic …

The Irish Government drops plan for hate-speech laws:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41480518.html

AND, confirmation — for now:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41484253.html
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October 2, 2024 10:22am
Flossie

Partner got an email yesterday advising the results of his bowel screening test (pleased to say it’s negative). What was more curious is that in the same batch of emails there was one from University of Otago asking him to complete a survey with regard to bowel cancer. Coincidence or breech of privacy somewhere along the line?
He declined to participate because (a) the introduction was in a language foreign to him, and (b) he is not prepared to give U of O the time of day.
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October 2, 2024 10:29am
peterwn

“But as recently as two weeks ago, a meeting of the region’s mayors were updated about the hospital project by officials, and told that despite budget pressures it was all still go, Cadogan [Clutha District Mayor] said.”
Taking this at face value, the officials merely indicated what they understood at the time. Nothing they indicated could be taken as binding the Government. If the local Mayors wanted a cast iron assurance they should have asked Shane Reti. I strongly suspect the officials chose their words very carefully and the Mayors put an overly optimistic interpretation on the words. Interestingly, no one else in NZ seems to care less apart from Dunedin and elements in Otago/ Southland.
Similarly with the cancelled rail ferries. If someone asked Kiwirail officials if the project was still on just before the 2023 election they would have said a guarded ‘yes’, What else could they say (the status of the pending Cabinet submission for more money was highly confidential until Cabinet had made a decision). They could hardly say that Robbo was dragging the chain until after the election!
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/529481/otago-mayors-told-two-weeks-ago-dunedin-hospital-build-was-still-all-go-bryan-cadogan
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October 2, 2024 10:38am
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  no one else in NZ seems to care less apart from Dunedin and elements in Otago/ Southland
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  Why should they? It isn’t going to affect the people from the outside of Otago and Southland.
  
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  October 2, 2024 10:46am
Jack5

Afghanistan thinks NZ progressing in treatment of women?

From the UN: 9 September – 9 October 2024 Agenda item 6 – Universal Periodic Review report of the working group – New Zealand.
During interactive dialogue …

36. Afghanistan commended the efforts to combat violence against women and to increase women’s representation in leadership roles in the public sector.

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/g24/089/58/pdf/g2408958.pdf
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October 2, 2024 10:45am
Gravelroad

Re the US elections:
I am not a great follower of US politics or the current election campaign- but have family members who are.
One was watching a US TV “news” channel here this morning and there was an interview with Governor Josh Shapiro D.
This guy seemed to be rational, informed, intelligent and moderate.
Family member said Mr Shapiro had been in the running as a Democratic nominee for Vice President.
Instead they picked a cartoon character who would be right at home in an episode of The Simpsons.
Why would that be?
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- Cassandra
  
  Shapiro is a Jew. The Moslem vote is important to Harris. Bad enough that Mr Harris is a Jew. Ergo Walz.
  
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