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Yvette

In the interim the government intends to either remove Te Mana o te Wai or rebalance it to ‘better reflect the interests of all water users” this year. Te Mana o te Wai, meaning the mana of the water, was introduced in 2020 allowing Councils when deciding on a matter relevant to freshwater, such as consents and developing freshwater management plans, to prioritise:
• first, the health and wellbeing of water bodies and freshwater ecosystems
• second, the health needs for people, such as drinking water
• third, the ability of people and communities to provide for their social, economic, and cultural well-being, now and in future.
https://www.cooperaitken.co.nz/where-is-the-coalition-government-at-with-changes-to-environmental-regulations/

As well as saying “There’s no principles, the Treaty is written. That’s it”, it is a pity Kiingi Tūheitia didn’t also say “Water is water – it is utterly vital to all life, but it is what it is”
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September 25, 2024 8:01am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Don’t understand your point. What would have changed, what would now be different, if the late King had said that?
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:17am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Another voice of sanity amongst the shrill noise of the batshit crazy?
    
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    September 27, 2024 7:33pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Cost blow out due to added cycle path. Toll the cyclists!

(Simeon) Brown told RNZ the 11.5 kilometre highway over the Ruahine Range was now expected to cost $824.1 million, up from the $620m budgeted when construction began four years ago.

The cost blow-out is due to a number of factors, including the high inflationary environment, supply chain issues, and the previous government’s late addition of a shared user path across the length of the project.

“This affected the Parahaki River Bridge design, increasing the complexity and cost of the structure.”

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/528916/manawatu-highway-s-200m-cost-blow-out-shows-need-for-toll-minister
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September 25, 2024 8:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cyclists will not pay.
  They have paid through Tax, Rates, RUC, and petrol Tax.//
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:47am
- wsk12345
  
  I thought this government said that petrol taxes wouldnt be used on cycleways anymore!
  
  Actually it will only be used for sport cyclists, not commuters, so they should contribute!
  
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  September 25, 2024 1:14pm
- Warren Murray
  
  This Govt said all new roads will be tolled. Cycle routes can be given the same treatment.
  
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  September 25, 2024 5:24pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I have to say, I was surprised by how much 11.5km of road is costing. Per km it’s much more than Transmission Gully.
  
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  September 25, 2024 7:36pm
Grunter

The hypocrisy of Nicola Willis needs to be called out. She has encouraged WCC to sell its shares in Wgtn Airport to reduce debt.

Hey Nicola – practise what you preach and sell Air NZ, power companies, Landcorp, Kiwi Rail, Kiwi Bank,…..
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September 25, 2024 8:07am
- Mr Nobody NZ
  
  You forgot TVNZ and Radio NZ
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And the Orchestra.
    
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    September 25, 2024 9:51am
- smttc
  
  All at least majority owned by the government. WCC’s shareholding in Wellington Airport is a minority stake. Apples and Oranges.
  
  Not that I am against your idea. But hypocrisy? No.
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:18am
- peterwn
  
  It is not within her personal powers to ‘sell off’ these items. She has to work within Cabinet and Caucus for any proposal to sell off Government agencies.
  With respect to Wellington Airport, she is permitted to have a say like any other Wellington resident.
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:46am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Selling assets to reduce debt has minimal benefit. And there is the high risk they will use the proceeds to pay for some new pet project and not reduce debt at all.
  
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  September 25, 2024 11:26am
  - RoboRob
    
    Why does ‘Selling assets to reduce debt has minimal benefit’?
    
    Reducing debt and debt costs is a good thing, especially when the revenue from the asset is less then the interest on the debt.
    
    I agree there is a high degree of danger a coucil might either not pay down debt or might use the reduced level of debt for a fresh round of borrowing. However the premise that paying down debt has minimal debt is part of the reason the councils and governments have gone on a debt fueled rampage at our expense.
    
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    September 25, 2024 11:59am
- PurplePen
  
  WCC should sell them and reinvest in a less risky fund or select shares
  Wgtn airport risk is it’s value could sink drastically overnight in the event of an earthquake or other natural event. WCC does not have insurance that covers such events for the airport and so the value of their share holding would sink rapidly with such an event with no way to recover the loss. If they did sell, no way could they be left to use it for anything else but investment such as with govt retirement fund or similar for a rainy day.
  
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  September 25, 2024 6:19pm
Anthony Melchett

Clownworld.

When you have someone so bad running for president, who lies and avoids all questions then surely this ad should be made available so people can see what they are really voting for…

Nope, let’s ban it like everything else that goes against the narrative.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NIz-aoZFzM4
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September 25, 2024 8:08am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/528965/us-election-2024-kamala-harris-leads-donald-trump-47-40-percent-in-latest-reuters-poll
  
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  September 25, 2024 10:28am
  - RoboRob
    
    Thats a stupid article from lefty RNZ. Anyone who knows anything about the US system knows that the total vote is meaningless. Parties routinely win elections by a landslide yet loose the total vote.
    
    Sensible commentators report the race is very close between the two sides.
    
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    September 25, 2024 12:05pm
- RoboRob
  
  Its not that Newsom specifically banned that add. California has a blanket ban on all AI generated adds for a period before an election. Theoretically it also blocks AI adds against Trump.
  
  Of course if the law is only being used against one side, that’s a much bigger issue.
  
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  September 25, 2024 12:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Deranged assassins in the lead in new poll conducted by the Foundation for Discerning Data.

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-poll-shows-kamala-with-huge-lead-among-deranged-assassin-demographic?
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September 25, 2024 8:11am
- MCōs
  
  Forget about that silliness
  Put your name on the waiting list for a silver Trump coin
  Cheap at $US100 Ideal Xmas presents for all your MAGA mates
  https://x.com/realtrumpcoins1/status/1838678415832158622?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:20am
  - MAGA, Mostly Aryans on Government Assistance
    
    Trump’s media company has bombed so bad they won’t have any money left for the latest grift.
    
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    September 25, 2024 9:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I already have quite a few, along with Trump gold plated $100 bills. and 13 notes.
    Trouble is that now it is very hard to order. Most is USA only. A lot was actually free, just pay shipping. Same with flags.
    Quick count, I have 19 coins and 13 bills.
    
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    September 25, 2024 10:09am
    - MAGA, Mostly Aryans on Government Assistance
      
      Dont NZ post do a thing where they have a US address then forward the stuff to you?
      
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      September 25, 2024 11:06am
      - wairarapapaul
        
        Yes they do, I’ve used it in the past. See https://www.nzpost.co.nz/tools/you-shop
        
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        September 25, 2024 3:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Posted last evening is Part 6 of the 440 Church Leaders on the website/blog that I will not link to. Easiest way is by going to the Youtube channel.
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September 25, 2024 8:15am
Matt Long

Good news for good police in Coster leaving his job early, but sadly the Social Investment Agency looks like being a total failure.
Coster’s proudest achievement was his two tier policing apparently. Free for all in Albert Park, and brutal suppression of the freedom protests in Wellington.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/police-commissioner-andrew-costers-new-job-revealed-as-head-of-social-investment-agency/SL24ERIM5BDAFPFRYK7Z6IVGNU/
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September 25, 2024 8:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Albert Park was a joke, with Police being held back and hiding around the corner. I wanted to hear what Posie Parker had to say.
  Was cuddles Coster the one responsible for the transistors getting out of control?
  
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  September 25, 2024 8:20am
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    The uniformed police were hiding around the corner.
    There would have been plenty of plain clothes present to ensure things went to plan.
    
    I’ve never seen so many fit straight white guys at a gay rights rally.
    
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    September 25, 2024 8:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      In other ‘rallies’ the Police separated the supporters from the protesters by having a line of Police between them.
      There was talk of this punchup being set up so the TV channels could make news.
      The whole thing turned dangerous for Keen-Minshull very quickly. Nasty gays.
      
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      September 25, 2024 10:13am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Exactly
        
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        September 25, 2024 10:24am
    - wsk12345
      
      It wasn’t a gay rights rally.
      
      Rather women’s rights – with the countering freak show.
      
      But point taken.
      
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      September 25, 2024 1:18pm
  - backster
    
    More like a day of shame, and the sequential long delayed indecisive limp wristed Police and Justice non action equally deplorable.
    
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    September 25, 2024 8:58am
  - G152
    
    He was obeying his liebor bosses and allowing the assault
    
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    September 25, 2024 9:17am
- bennerg
  
  RNZ reports on comments by University of Canterbury senior lecturer and sociologist Jarrod Gilbert. Gilbert predicted Coster’s successor would not reverse the “policing by consent” approach.
  
  “Fundamentally, the New Zealand police won’t change – and nor should they. If you think about our cops … internationally, we look extremely good and our trust and confidence numbers are comparatively very, very high.
  
  Sadly it seems that it will be business as usual.
  
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  September 25, 2024 8:35am
  - Sir Henry Morgan
    
    People seem not to understand that modern police forces are based on the idea of “policing by consent”. The idea goes back to Sir Robert Peel who founded the British police in the 19th Century. It is about police conducting themselves such that the public views the police force as legitimate. It does not mean police must constantly be seeking “consent” from whoever they interact with when doing police work.
    
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    September 25, 2024 1:58pm
- Keith White
  
  Coster’s sticking with what he knows he does best – staying in a well-paid job without accountability to the people who pay him.
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So a standard Public Sector employee.
    
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    September 25, 2024 10:59am
Simon

Gween leadership vs Tana vs Islander Gweens

You hurt my feelings! No! you hurt my feelings, (use some random Maori word), I gonna sue you over my feelings. You can’t sue us we sue you. You saying your feelings are hurt is such violence! And racist! What about our learned experience? Hundreds of years of hurt feelings. Ignored! We quit.

The Gweens are low IQ third world.
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September 25, 2024 8:19am
- Keith White
  
  I read also the treacherous Greens keep treachering – warning the overseas oil and gas industry that they’ll reinstate the Ardernban if they get any power.
  
  At what point is this not economic treason?
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Greens hate capitalism.
    But wait, they all enjoy the products of capitalism. Samsung smartphone? TV? Bicycle?
    
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    September 25, 2024 11:04am
    - sirknz
      
      They strike me as being more iPhone people.
      
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      September 25, 2024 1:40pm
Matt Long

Auckland Council’s choice for Watercare Chairman has been thrown out by the High Court, due to action taken by the statutary Maori advisory board that had recommended a Maori candidate be chosen.
“Houkura, the independent Māori statutory board, had challenged the original 25 June decision, arguing it was procedurally unlawful.

In the application for judicial review, chair David Taipari said a panel had unanimously recommended a Māori candidate for the role, but the appointments committee has agreed Williamson’s amendment behind closed doors.”
Partnerships are complicated things.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/top/528883/high-court-rolls-chair-of-watercare-just-3-months-into-job
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September 25, 2024 8:22am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Doesn’t sound like a sound ‘partnership’ to moi.
  
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  September 25, 2024 8:54am
- Surely Knott
  
  The “Maori Statutory Board” is worse than Maori Wards. They are not elected they are appointed and given 2 seats with voting rights.. And Maori are then free to also vote in teh regular electorate
  
  Further, while a councillor candidate can’t have more than $25k of contracts or they can’t be elected. Maori elected members have signficant financial interests for their iwi but they go through trusts rather than companies.
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:00am
  - wsk12345
    
    So will we get rid of those two positions as with the Ngi tahi reps on ECAN?
    
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    September 25, 2024 1:21pm
- Swifty
  
  That’s a little ambiguous.
  
  It’s not clear to me whether the Maori Board recommended that a Maori is appointed to the role, or that the Maori Board had a preferred candidate and that he or she is Maori – but I suspect the former.
  
  If it were the former, isn’t that discriminatory? Wouldn’t that offend against the principles of our Equal Employment Opportunities legislation, where all applicants, internal and external, are to be given a fair and equal crack?
  
  It was this point which finally set me against the Equal Opportunities Commissioner Karanina Sumeo who, to the best of my knowledge, didn’t speak up against the Ardern government’s appointment of Louisa Wall to the Pacific Gay Ambassador role as payola for her stepping down from Parliament. They just created the role for her and didn’t let anyone else apply for it – a clear contravention of our equal opportunity laws. And all, of course, paid for by the taxpayer.
  
  Clearly unlawful and corrupt in my view – and Karanina Sumeo didn’t say a word against it even though this was in her purview. Got to look after your mates I guess.
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:10am
  - Swifty
    
    Does this mean the Maori Statutory Board is ok with other New Zealanders being discriminatory in their practices?
    
    Ok for me to deny employment to Maori? Refuse to let a tendency to Maori? ‘Recommend’ to my procurement staff that they only award tenders to White-owned businesses?
    
    I’m really at a loss here. I just do not understand how after decades of (rightly) stamping out structural racism in this country, the very same people seem intent on reintroducing it!
    
    Do they not see how bad this looks? Are they totally lacking in self-awareness, or are they just blinded by their self-righteousness?
    
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    September 25, 2024 3:44pm
- AitchW
  
  Wow, sacked for being the wrong colour. You’d have to think that’s illegal!
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:32am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Whatever happened to employing the best qualified person to do the job required. Is that old fashioned now?
  
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  September 25, 2024 11:25am
Tarquin North

I thought Coster was supposed to be bright. Saying his proudest moment was breaking up the parliament protest which include more than a few of his own officers was utterly stupid. Why didn’t he just say his greatest achievement was rainbow crossings or something generic like that and ride off into the sunset?
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September 25, 2024 8:27am
- Keith White
  
  He’s known as a lantern in the rank-and-file; wants to shine brightly but has to be carried.
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:35am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  A dumb answer to a stupid question. Journalists need to update their scripts. Open questions are asking for dumb answers but they are the staple of any interview, eg
  What was your proudest moment?
  How good did that feel? (excuse me while I puke)
  etc etc. Any more?
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:36am
- MCōs
  
  He is bright
  He’s getting out of Dodge before the police are required to enforce the unworkable anti gang patch laws with a depleted workforce
  
  I had occasion to visit a tailor in a nearby suburb recently and there was a picture on the wall of about a dozen hard looking characters in formal wear. I asked if that was the local mafia. Sort of. It was the Headhunters or some local gang.
  Maybe it was their annual prize giving!
  They told him to let them know if he had any trouble with tagging, robberies . . . . .
  Who needs the police?
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:52am
  - sherp
    
    So not enough swine to control gangs.. but plenty to beat peaceful protesters… sober up mate
    
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    September 25, 2024 10:27am
    - MCōs
      
      Enough what?
      
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      September 25, 2024 4:19pm
- 3-coil
  
  Tarquin – Coster really showed how thick he is with that tone-deaf howler!
  Mikey Sherman’s breathless reporting was just as bad: “….there was fire, chaos, pepper-spray, punches and pavers thrown”….but again, no mention of the police firing rubber bullets into the crowd.
  Coster’s “proudest moment” – the first NZ cop to fire rubber bullets into the citizenry?
  
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  September 25, 2024 10:42am
  - kowtow
    
    He also claimed the Cops had adequate protective gear when in fact large numbers didn’t have even basic stuff like helmets and shields.
    
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    September 25, 2024 12:36pm
    - Tarquin North
      
      Our daughter was one of the protesters at parliament and she’s a cop. Strangely enough she hates Coster with a vengeance, something I hear is not uncommon in the force. I doubt he’ll be missed after last nights brain explosion.
      
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      September 25, 2024 3:41pm
  - Warren Murray
    
    Nor using fire fighting equipment on people. I was there and the coupling broke and quite a few Police officers were bowled over like pins as they didn’t know what they were doing. At the time I thought it was irresponsible and hilarious. But, seriously, someone could have been hurt and the Fire Service reprimanded them afterwards.
    
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    September 25, 2024 5:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hunter gets more breathing space.
Cutting the pardon time short. Anyone who believes Joe will not pardon his son is beyond naive.

https://conservativeadvocacy.com/hunter-bidens-sentencing-delayed-to-december-4-amid-legal-juggling-act/?
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September 25, 2024 8:27am
- NothingLeft
  
  Seems likely Biden will be kicked out of office in October to give last minute election advertising promotion opportunity for Kamala as ‘1st female black president’. I’d guess that deal will be then that she pardons Hunter.
  
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  September 25, 2024 8:43am
- Greenheart
  
  Anyone who believes Trump, if elected, will not pardon himselt is beyond naive
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:25am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Trump makes me cringe, can’t stand listening to him.
    
    But anyone who believes any of the cases bought against Trump were not out and out politically motivated lawfare by the deep-state machine trying to remove a threat to its power is hopelessly naive or or consumes far too much left wing propaganda (from US deep-state/oligarchical legacy media et al).
    
    We’ve seen the Democrat lies and fabrications unravel again and again and again, while huge evidence of deep corruption by Biden (Burisma and $10’s of millions in payments to his do-nothing family) and Clinton (deleting subpoenaed emails, making 100’s of millions from her stint as secretary of state by approving weapons sales in return for colossal speaking fees for Bill Clinton etc) is given a complete free-pass. They both stole secret documents to use in making money and were caught dead to rights but never charged.
    
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    September 25, 2024 12:10pm
  - RoboRob
    
    We were talking about Hunter.
    
    No Trump wont pardon himself, as he has currently not been found guilty of any Federal Crime (the ones a president can pardon). He 100% will order the DOJ (who the president is boss of) to end all investigations and cases against himself, as any sane person would do.
    
    Biden will pardon Hunter, even though he explictly said he wouldn’t, either himself or through Kamala. Also the sort of thing a father might do for his son. He shouldn’t have lied about not doing it though.
    
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    September 25, 2024 1:11pm
    - CrazyIvan
      
      Actually a president can pardon someone before they are convicted of a crime – the pre-emotive pardon addresses situations where the view is there no point in waiting until a combustion. If you were going to pardon them anyway.
      
      After all the only US President to be pardoned was pardoned before being convicted of anything
      
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      September 25, 2024 5:16pm
  - sherp
    
    Wowxa pardon for made up crimes from a bias DOJ… yea only leftist will be outraged by that haha
    
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    September 25, 2024 1:21pm
Scooter

So more foot in mouth disease from Mayor Tory when she says she took the job because she thought there’d be less scrutiny in the mayoral role. So did she think she could just swan in and have an easy time of it? What does that say about her, that she shouldn’t be held to account or have to work hard and be an example for Wellington 24 hours each day. If you are elected to be a Mayor or politician expect to be under scrutiny all the time.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/wellington-mayor-tory-whanau-admits-car-sale-mistake-blames-challenging-qa-interview-on-exhaustion/C2R65QPLYFBCPGCO2EFWSXH3BA/
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September 25, 2024 8:29am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  And that she shouldnt be held to account because she is a mahwee and a woman.
  
  I thought she might be a lesbian too but she proved us wrong on that…
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:14am
  - John Loveridge
    
    I dunno. She strikes me as a trisexual sorta girl. She’ll try anything. Great fun at parties.
    
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    September 25, 2024 12:46pm
- rouppe
  
  And now whenever she gets pinged is due to “exhaustion”
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:16am
- Gravelroad
  
  From the article- Mayor Whanau speaks:
  “I kinda thought that mayors flew under the radar a lot more which is why I kinda went for council in the first place.”
  And:
  “Whanau goes on to say she seeks advice from her friends, a lot of whom “worked for Dame Jacinda Ardern”.
  “I’ll ask them, is this normal? Is this level of negativity normal? And they’ll say yeah, unfortunately. When you’re a progressive politician, especially a woman, especially Māori, you just have to unfortunately get used to this level.”
  
  No, the three mayors I know (one of whom is a woman) did their leadership homework before committing to stand for election to mayor. All were experienced elected councillors prior.
  It seems Ms Whanau had no idea what she was getting into – the levels of work and commitment involved and expected.
  I recall at the time of the elections, her supporters and minders were frequently on Wgn newstalkzb promoting her and claiming she would be an excellent Green mayor.
  As it has turned out – shame about Ms Whanau’s non-existent leadership skills.
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:36am
  - Flossie
    
    Why does she have to play the race card too. Bad enough Poor Me I’m a put upon woman. Ms Tapsell in Rotorua seems to be doing just fine.
    
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    September 25, 2024 10:16am
    - John Loveridge
      
      A very good point.
      
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      September 25, 2024 12:47pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Looks like you could put up a goat under the green banner and Wellington would still vote it in.
    
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    September 25, 2024 10:17am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes, they have done that.
      
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      September 25, 2024 11:41am
    - Groggy
      
      it was called Celia
      
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      September 25, 2024 3:13pm
- Prince
  
  Interesting that Whanau and her councillors are considering breaking the law by not holding a referendum. Ratepayers will, of course, pay any fine.
  Whanau is apparently taking advice from local Maori activists.
  Of course that assumes the judiciary/Waitangi Tribunal don’t side with her and defy the Govt.
  Could be interesting times if NZ’s capital city sets out to bring down the Govt.
  
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  September 25, 2024 10:10am
  - artemisia
    
    Mayor Tory Whanau mentioned consulting with ‘mana whenua’ several times in that train wreck interview particularly about the airport shares issue.
    
    Am I the only one that noticed how often she tossed her hair? I’m sure many noticed how often there was a big smile while saying something actually negative. Maybe all due to exhaustion.
    
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    September 25, 2024 12:56pm
    - Grumpy Silver Top
      
      A big smile in an appropriate moment is an ADHD
      ‘tell’. So I hear.
      
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      September 25, 2024 1:20pm
    - Warren Murray
      
      Hmmm, so despite having a Maori (Ward) councillor and two Iwi reps, yet more consultation with Maori is needed?! Who will they consult with and how? Or, to put it another way, what will the Maori they consult with be paid?
      
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      September 25, 2024 5:42pm
    - PurplePen
      
      Jacinda used to do the same. Not the hair tossing, but smile while saying something negative.
      
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      September 25, 2024 7:48pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Rotorua has a lady mayor who is also part Maori. Comparing her to Tori is like chalk and cheese.
  
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  September 25, 2024 10:27am
- Warren Murray
  
  She does a great job of breathing more life into a story that any other person in her position would like to end. Very weird.
  
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  September 25, 2024 5:44pm
kiwikidsnz

More about AUTs institutionalised racism:
ACT concerned by university’s travel funding guidelines

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/528903/act-concerned-by-university-s-travel-funding-guidelines
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September 25, 2024 8:34am
- Swifty
  
  I thought racial discrimination was unlawful in New Zealand?
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:30am
- cmm
  
  “ACT Party Tertiary Education and Skills spokesperson Dr Parmjeet Parmar said allocating travel funding based on race was disrespectful to those who would otherwise get funding based on merit.”
  
  No, absolutely wrong Dr Parmar.
  
  It is not only disrespectful to whites. It is disrespectful to Maori and Pacific people too. It says that they are incapable of achieving “equity” unless they are treated differently.
  
  SUrely that is nonsense. All people who are academics should have the ability to do what they need and don’t need a leg up.
  
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  September 25, 2024 10:08am
pdm

Hastings District Council shows no respect for ratepayers again with suggestion that token Youth Councillors (read school kids) will get remuneration and voting rights.

Thank you Stuff for exposing this.

Link to the stuff article follows:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350426820/unelected-youth-councillors-may-get-voting-rights-first-country

Link to my post at No Minister on this:
https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/09/25/no-bloody-way-hastings-district-council/
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September 25, 2024 8:37am
- rouppe
  
  Oh my goodness. That’s completely f**ked
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:17am
- Swifty
  
  Unbelievable.
  
  The Youth Council’s request make them sound like a bunch of little Cartmans.
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KKJprZqU_oU
  
  You will respect my authoitah!
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:29am
- Jethrod
  
  Who were the councilors who voted for this disgrace? I bet one was Anna’s husband!
  
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  September 25, 2024 10:09am
Taieri

The (future) World according to this latest gem from the UN:

https://www.un.org/sites/un2.un.org/files/sotf-the-pact-for-the-future.pdf

The naivety of this document is simply breathtaking. Is the world really being run by Jacindas?
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September 25, 2024 8:40am
- PurplePen
  
  Yep it is … at the moment. I didn’t read the lot. too long. but skim read bits and it’s just the most awful sanctimonious twaddle.
  
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  September 25, 2024 7:51pm
Rodney Hide

I hope I am not too pushy in posting my own column on our great host’s site but I believe we face a grave threat to our children’s health and safety. They are being hyper sexualised and having their sexual identity constantly questioned. This is especially so in schools.

Teachers are too scared to speak out. As the Free Speech Union has explained to do so is potentially career ending.

Join up with Let Kids Be Kids. The most beautiful and innocent thing in the world our children are being targeted.

We need to inform parents and grandparents. And start the fight back. For our kids.

https://letkidsbekids.substack.com/p/why-is-it-being-normalised-to-welcome

Thank you

Rodney Hide
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September 25, 2024 8:43am
- Keith White
  
  Who the heck would downtick that. Or is Shaneel Lal online?
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:36am
  - Gravelroad
    
    They probably just dislike Rodney Hide.
    Wouldn’t matter what he said.
    
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    September 25, 2024 11:02am
- Surely Knott
  
  Along the same lines, did anyone see the NZ Heralds article yesterday about How to talk to your kids about sex. No it wasn’t written by a child psychologist or a parent. The article was written by a person who described herself as a sex coach, then sex therapist. But they don’t have a degree in psychotherapy. And their “about me page on their website contains no qualifications at all.
  
  Her web page describes her as a “Sex and Libido Coach”. as featured on RNZ, Stuff and Duncan Garner. And their are courses on improving your foreplay.
  
  Ok. All good. But why is Sofie Louise writing an article in the Herald when she has a sex business. It’s not independent journalism. Does she pay to have these articles in the Herald? And what qualifies her to advise us on child appropriate sex information. Is she a parent even?
  
  Is she a sex coach or a journalist. Why isn’t a journalist writing the article and asking her questions?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/how-to-talk-to-your-kids-about-sex-and-how-not-to-according-to-a-sex-coach/ZHFROZMZRVB6JKBOWKHFLQ46EI/
  
  https://sofielouise.com/about-me
  
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  September 25, 2024 2:58pm
Tom Barker

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As a regular Greenpeace donor, I salute the politically hamfisted Minister Shane Jones. His bellowing response to Greenpeace’s banner protest on the weekend has ensured it receives ongoing publicity, internationally as well as throughout this country. Keep those blurts coming, Jonesy.
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September 25, 2024 9:00am
- Swifty
  
  Not ham-fisted at all.
  
  Ham-fisted is the Green leadership who have lurched from one crisis to another of late.
  
  Sucks to be them.
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:15am
- lifesgood
  
  You’re barking up the wrong tree.
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:24am
- David Garrett
  
  So tell me Tom – as a regular Greenpeace donor – how you travel to work every day. How you take your family on holiday. I mean how you get your family from your home to your destination. I’m assuming it is by EV? And I’m assuming you typed the above message on a wooden keyboard connected to some kind of machine made of “organic” material?
  
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  September 25, 2024 10:18am
  - Cassandra
    
    Answering for Tom: Sorry, DG, you’ve revealed that I’m a total f…….. hypocrite. All of us greenies are.
    
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    September 25, 2024 10:42am
  - David Garrett
    
    A better question is this: Do you have the faintest idea of the part oil – that dreadful fossil fuel – plays in our everyday life? I am prepared to bet you don’t have a clue, beyond its most obvious uses.
    
    But it may surprise you that I agree with those who say we shouldn’t be burning it in cars and trucks. It is far far too valuable a fluid for such a prosaic use – but despite your Green fantasies, it will be a transport fuel for years to come, possibly even decades.
    
    We have already seen the severe – limitations – of EV’s, including them blowing up without warning in fires which cannot be extinguished using existing methods. There are apparently millions of them on car lots in China, which are unsaleable at any price. Canny chaps those Chinese; always have been.
    
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    September 25, 2024 10:43am
  - AitchW
    
    Greens shouldn’t drive EVs, their carbon footprint is enormous.
    But that’s all overseas so it’s ok.
    NZ Greens. Outsourcing their pollution since forever.
    
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    September 25, 2024 10:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Is that carbon footprint like Indonesian coal?
      
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      September 25, 2024 12:00pm
    - kowtow
      
      Their heavier weight causes more tyre pollution to run into waterways , according to an English report .
      
      If you want cleaner waterways , don’t go EV!
      
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      September 25, 2024 12:28pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Tom B: So, several hours later, and no response to any of my questions to you. We will all draw our own conclusions on why that might be.
    
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    September 25, 2024 2:35pm
- john1234
  
  The smartest guy in Greenpeace was Dr Patrick Moore.
  The rest of them are as dumb as a box of rocks. Their uniquely useless blend of 0% pragmatism and 100% idealism always leads to the worst outcomes.
  For example in NZ ban coal mining and O&G exploration leading to increased imports or dirty coal, energy shortages and crippling energy price increases.
  They always make things worse because they are stupid idealists who never grew up.
  
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  September 25, 2024 10:49am
  - David Garrett
    
    John: Quite so…and the substituting of our coal for a much dirtier version from Indonesia has to be the best illustration yet that these Green clowns just have no clue.
    
    I literally laughed out loud a couple of Waitangi Days ago when Cindy was cooking sausages for the voters – on a gas barbecue. I wonder if it ever occurred to the stupid woman for one second how her successor would be cooking them when the NZ gas runs out?
    
    And we are living on borrowed time in that regard. Maui’s life has been extended far beyond the date it was originally predicted to last because of technological advances. But sooner or later the last Pj will emerge from Maui – discovered in 1969 – and Kapuni, which was discovered ten years earlier.
    
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    September 25, 2024 11:07am
    - Taieri
      
      I wonder if it ever occurred to the stupid woman for one second how her successor would be cooking them when the NZ gas runs out?
      —————-
      
      How? Perhaps with willpower?
      
      Like this one:
      
      “We can reduce emissions, lower power bills, and improve the resilience of our energy system. All we need is mainstream political willpower. New Zealanders deserve better than the Government’s attempts to pull the wool over their eyes,” says Chlöe Swarbrick
      
      https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2409/S00230/green-government-will-revoke-oil-and-gas-permits.htm
      
      Wonder if they have a secret lab where these geniuses are manufactured? Surely, they can’t be born that stupid in the normal way?
      
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      September 25, 2024 1:18pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Like announcing you’re a communist or flat-earther or astrologer it just declares to all that you lack education, sense and judgement and everything that follows has no more intellectual weight behind it than a baaing sheep.
  
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  September 25, 2024 2:31pm
Jack5

ANZ Bank’s New Zealand branch chief, Antonia Watson, says the time has arrived for a capital gains tax in New Zealand.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/time-has-arrived-for-capital-gains-tax-says-anz-boss-antonia-watson/QBLXJLQCPZEH5P5EZW6WH6NH6E/
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September 25, 2024 9:06am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  None of her business. Since when did commercial banks have a role in the economy of a country. I see the Herald is covering a RNZ interview. Need I say more?
  In her defence, and I haven’t watched the interview, I expect she was naively responding to a leading question,
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:41am
- Taieri
  
  “(…)billionaire Bruce Plested told RNZ he backed a wealth tax if governments were good stewards of the extra revenue(…)”
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  Are governments good stewards of the extra revenue? Or any revenue for that matter?
  
  “Watson said she had “ended up” with ownership of an investment property but preferred to invest in things like shares. The rental property was “not really” making a decent return in terms of cash flow.”
  ———
  What a very profound observation. Can’t believe that such an astute investor and a deep “thinker” is in charge of a major bank.
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:44am
  - Keith White
    
    Can’t Watson and Plested just send their excess money to Infernal Revenue Dept already and test their woke nonsense without us?
    
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    September 25, 2024 11:58am
  - Grumpy Silver Top
    
    She clearly doesn’t get that return on an investment property (assuming a rental home) is the capital gain over time, not the annual cash flow.
    
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    September 25, 2024 1:23pm
- Jack5
  
  Capital gains tax is a good stick to poke into the Kiwiblog beehive on a dull day …
  
  The source in the first link below lists the countries that do not have a capital gains tax – the list :
  
  Andorra, the Bahamas, Belgium, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Monaco, New Zealand, Switzerland, Singapore,Thailand, the United Arab Emirates.
  
  In fact, New Zealand has an elementary capital gains tax.
  
  In Switzerland, only Schwyz of the country’s 26 cantons doesn’t impose a canton transfer tax on real estate sales (second link below).
  
  Belgium has a complicated (to us) system in which for capital gains outside your professional income are called “miscellaneous income,” and typically are taxed at a flat rate of 16.5 per cent (third link below).
  
  Countries with no capital gains tax:
  
  https://jaserodley.com/no-capital-gains-tax-countries/
  
  However:
  
  Swiss canton real estate “transfer tax”:
  
  https://www.reichlinhess.ch/en/2020/01/24/taxation-gain-sale-real-estate-in-the-cantons-of-zug-zurich-and-lucerne/
  
  Belgium – some capital gains taxed:
  
  https://www.mondaq.com/capital-gains-tax/1155784/the-truth-about-capital-gains-tax-in-belgium
  
  Singapore also has “stamp duty” – a light tax – on property transactions:
  
  https://www.iras.gov.sg/taxes/stamp-duty/for-property/basics-of-stamp-duty-for-property/learning-the-basics-for-properties
  
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  September 25, 2024 10:31am
- john1234
  
  Impressed that Antonia found time away from extracting billions in profits from her NZ customers for this.
  She always has the best interests of New Zealanders at heart. /s
  
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  September 25, 2024 11:22am
- judith8409121
  
  it’s amazing that some idiot from ANZ wants to not only give away other peoples stuff to the government but has absolutely no right to discuss it. This is absolutely ‘stay in your lane’ lady. If antonia watson wants to play politics why no setup a give-a-little page for the NZ government and dedicate all her money to it – just like the other grifters – they never do this – they just want to play king with other peoples
  
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  September 25, 2024 7:15pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Yawn. It’s income. We tax income. What’s hard?
    
    Any inflow of $ that makes you better off is income. A dollar is a dollar and all that. We tax income. Always have. Always will?
    
    Have I got something wrong?
    
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    September 25, 2024 7:34pm
    - Jack5
      
      Prime Minister Luxon has now commented on the ANZ Bank executive’s view on capital gains tax for NZ.
      
      He is reported:
      
      “I love it that the CEO of a big bank from Australia wants to take more money off New Zealanders.”
      
      AND:
      
      “You don’t tax your way out of a recession. You grow your way out of a recession.”
      
      AND:
      
      “As a former CEO, I understand what she’s doing… the big Australian banks make a lot of money off the New Zealand public, and I would just suggest to her that maybe taking more money off New Zealanders isn’t the road forward.”
      
      In fairness to the banker, banks don’t get money off New Zealanders with capital gains tax, the Government gets it.
      
      The capital-gains tax debate isn’t going away, and soon someone will will point out yet again how heavily into property investment are many members of Parliament of all parties, and how absence of capital gains tax thus benefits these MPs.
      
      PM Luxon on the banker’s view on capital gains tax:
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/529018/luxon-takes-crack-at-anz-boss-antonia-watson-over-capital-gains-tax-support
      
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      September 25, 2024 8:48pm
imalwaysright

It looks suspicious that Coster has brought forward his April departure.

Is it coincidence that he is leaving before the new anti gang laws are in effect?

Maybe he refused to implement them.
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September 25, 2024 9:11am
- MCōs
  
  He would have had no choice
  That’s what police are sworn to do, isn’t it?
  Uphold the law of the land or resign
  Other countries maybe
  
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  September 25, 2024 11:01am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He was pushed sideways, they will have been working on this since last October I bet
  
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  September 25, 2024 12:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Springfield. Trump promises large scale deportations.
They hold Temporary Protected Status so I don’t know how Trump will get around that. Some Haitians are working but you don’t find 15,000 jobs in 3 weeks.
The link does not work buy there are videos of Vivek Ramaswamy in Springfield.

https://politicalactionalerts.com/vivek-ramaswamy-unveils-bold-plan-to-restore-americas-greatness/?
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September 25, 2024 9:12am
- MAGA, Mostly Aryans on Government Assistance
  
  Trump has put Florida back in the mix for the Dems with his Haitian BS…3 or 400k legal Haitians live in Florida, Trump won by that many. The bomb threats to schools is not helping Trumps appeal to anyone other than his core.
  
  Steve, check this thing out.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7ZQUhjssqs
  
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  September 25, 2024 9:54am
  - john1234
    
    The legal Haitian residents don’t want the flood of illegals any more than Latinos want theirs. This is why Trump is polling better with Latinos now than in 2020. No reason to expect different with Haitians who have endured the process to become legal residents.
    
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    September 25, 2024 11:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You must know that I built trailers for 50 years at the same Company.
    That trailer is brilliant. A lot of design. I made a few for moving the tiny houses, but because of the weight nobody want to pay for all of the fancy braking system (3500kg GVM) Don’t know what they do now, gave up on them.
    US$80,000. I think that price is cheap for what he got!
    
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    September 25, 2024 12:23pm
    - MAGA, Mostly Aryans on Government Assistance
      
      I remember you mentioned designing and building trailers for a company some while ago.
      
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      September 25, 2024 2:03pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The 3 or 400k will be legal Haitians, one thing about people doing the hard yards to get made US citizens is they hate illegals with a passion
    
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    September 25, 2024 12:26pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Trump has put Florida back in the mix for the Dems’
    Oh bullshit
    The legal immigrants hate the illegal immigrants
    Besides ‘Florida has 1 million more Republican registered voters than Democrats, elections officials revealed, further cementing its status as a conservative hotbed.’
    https://apnews.com/article/florida-republicans-democrats-voter-registrations-b843059f8f3f1419794751753626a120
    And the bomb threats came from overseas
    
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    September 25, 2024 12:30pm
    - cmm
      
      ” The legal immigrants hate the illegal immigrants”
      
      This is a point that so many of the identity politics people miss.
      
      Those that entered the USA legally, submitting paperwork and jumping through hoops, generally left their Shithole because they wanted to get away from the illegal Shitholistanis who are now streaming over the border.
      
      Most of the legals are hard working. The worst to them is seeing these people getting a free pass and then getting hand outs.
      
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      September 25, 2024 12:50pm
      - MCōs
        
        Here is some information compiled by Pew
        As you can see by far the biggest group of undocumented migrants arriving from Mexico followed by other South American countries.
        Certainly not Islamic states as you infer.
        Legitimate refugees have never been popular in the US (or anywhere much), except Vietnamese after the Vietnam War and they have had a hard time in the general anti Asian sentiment among a certain segment of society as a result of the recent covid epidemic.
        https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/
        
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        September 25, 2024 1:58pm
      - cmm
        
        MCos where the hell did I say anything that infers Islamic anything?
        
        Islam does not have a monopoly on shit holes.
        
        Those swarming over the southern borders – no matter what country they are coming from – are not legitimate refugees.
        
        Legitimate refugees:
        a) come in the front door and are legally processed.
        b) flee from a dangerous country but stop at the first safe country. They do not keep traveling to find the best deal.
        
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        September 25, 2024 2:59pm
      - MCōs
        
        *Shitholistanis* is a bit of a giveaway
        
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        September 25, 2024 4:15pm
    - MAGA, Mostly Aryans on Government Assistance
      
      So the bomb threats in schools, random brown kids getting attacked and death threats that started when JD Vance started the lie IS what the Haitians want?
      
      BS Red, utter BS, Take your klan hood off for a moment and get some fresh air, at least cut out more than just eye holes.
      
      Dont let your desire for a thing to be true override a healthy cynicism.
      
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      September 25, 2024 2:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh great, call me a KKK member because I expose your ignorance and show what a stupid statement “Trump has put Florida back in the mix for the Dems’” is.
        
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        September 25, 2024 7:36pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Bonus
        ‘There may be a big shift underway. Over the last couple of days, there has been some real movement in some of the polls back to former President Donald Trump. The reality of Kamala Harris’s emptiness seems to be setting in, and it looks like her avoidance of questions may now be backfiring on her.’
        https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2024/09/24/quinnipiac-poll-results-n2179737
        But you stick to trying to deflect on what every American knows and that is the Culture clash and crime from unchecked illegal immigration is damaging their lifestyle.
        Checked on your cat recently?
        Lol
        
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        September 25, 2024 7:42pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Trump has put Florida back in the mix for the Dems….
    Mmmmm…. hot, tasty Copium.
    
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    September 25, 2024 6:51pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      We really arent getting an informed class of troll-not like the old days.
      These guys with their moronic comments are a joke.
      
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      September 25, 2024 7:37pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  I see that the Haitian Community in Springfield have laid criminal charges against Trump and Vance
  
  https://apnews.com/article/haitian-immigrants-springfield-charges-trump-vance-012af00a8677da5caed55d03e8779774
  
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  September 25, 2024 10:01am
  - All_on_Red
    
    You mean some activist from a non profit has…
    
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    September 25, 2024 1:01pm
  - cmm
    
    Own goal in the making.
    
    That’s just likely to strengthen the resolve of those resisting the Haitians overrunning their lives.
    
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    September 25, 2024 3:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZCPR. Dr Muriel Newman.
Guest, “Blowing in the wind.” Anthony Willy.

https://www.nzcpr.com/blowing-in-the-wind/
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September 25, 2024 9:30am
MCōs

Don’t read this story
https://aseannow.com/topic/1338980-chaos-at-the-police-station-drunken-belgian-man-defecates-and-dances-in-underwear/
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September 25, 2024 10:05am
- Keith White
  
  No need to, the link is self-explanatory… emphasis on the tory.
  
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  September 25, 2024 11:59am
lifesgood

So Polkinghorne wants to be let off his drug charges. Why should he be? I think as an eye surgeon he is even more culpable than an unemployed person living in desperate circumstances.
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September 25, 2024 10:16am
- Flossie
  
  I’d hope he will not be let off. If an intelligent, educated and well off person is given a free pass on this charge what leeway does it give to those below him on the socio-economic scale.
  
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  September 25, 2024 11:19am
  - Grumpy Silver Top
    
    Those below him in the socioeconomic scale get off for other reasons, I bet you can figure that out for yourself. Something to do with …..
    
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    September 25, 2024 1:27pm
- Swifty
  
  On what grounds does he believe he should be let off?
  
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  September 25, 2024 12:25pm
- MCōs
  
  Maybe he’s been suspended from some exclusive club of other until the drug charge goes away.
  
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  September 25, 2024 2:07pm
Tauhei Notts

Great news.
Fonterra, from the 2025 year, will commence paying New Zealand income tax.
It has not had to pay New Zealand income tax during the past 24 years.
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September 25, 2024 10:20am
- Matt Long
  
  That seems a little odd, as when Fonterra pay dividends on shares backed by supply they indicate tax has already been paid on the dividends.
  Would you share a source for this story?
  
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  September 25, 2024 10:37am
  - Matt Long
    
    Actually I see the announcement Fonterra is now running profitably and has exhausted it taxable losses, but I don’t see from what date the losses accrued. I know they had issues during the financial crisis and shockingly bad China investments.
    
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    September 25, 2024 10:46am
- Spam
  
  I assume you mean company tax. Not paying income tax (on behalf of the employees) would be very problematic.
  
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  September 25, 2024 12:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dems Refuse to Act Despite Evidence of Illegal Immigrants on Voter Rolls Nationwide.
Non citizens only have to say they are a US citizen and they can register to vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TywqyBrSN8
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September 25, 2024 10:40am
kiwi_chileno

Javier MIlei’s address to the UN General Assembly. He shanks the globalists, the collectivists, and the UN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pivu2FQHpHs (turn on English sub-titles)

https://gadebate.un.org/en/79/argentina (UN’s dub in English)

Some money quotes:

[On the UN] a Leviathan of multiple tentacles, which aims to decide not only what each nation-state should do, but also how all citizens of the world should live.

Agenda 2030, although well-intentioned in its goals, is nothing more than a socialist supranational government program. It aims to solve the problems of modernity with solutions that violate the sovereignty of the nation-States and the rights of the life, property and freedom of individuals

The role of this institution [UN] was distorted, so we have seen an organisation that was born to defend human rights, it has been one of the main drivers of the restriction of freedom, as is the case with quarantines in 2020, which should be considered a crime against humanity,

Argentina, which is undergoing a profound process of change, has decided to embrace the ideas of freedom: those ideas that say that all citizens are born free and equal before the law, that we have inalienable rights granted by the Creator, among which are the right to life, freedom and property.

We believe in the defence of the life of all; we believe in the defence of everyone’s property; we believe in freedom of expression for all; we believe in freedom of worship for all; we believe in freedom of trade for all; and believe in limited governments.

As Thomas Paine said – those who wish to reap the blessings of freedom must – as men – endure the fatigue of defending it. May God bless the Argentines and all the citizens of the world, and may the Forces of Heaven accompany us.

Long live freedom, damn it.
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September 25, 2024 11:18am
- Miritu
  
  Wow! I hope he has good security
  
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  September 25, 2024 6:01pm
Jack5

Tuvalu at the UN again is on about sinking into the ocean.
But is it sinking or gaining land?

At the UN and sinking…

https://www.reuters.com/investigations/sinking-tuvalu-fights-keep-maritime-boundaries-sea-levels-rise-2024-09-24/

Study shows Tuvalu’s rising:

https://www.sciencealert.com/pacific-island-nation-expected-to-sink-is-getting-bigger
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September 25, 2024 11:36am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Don’t worry, I’m sure that I read somewhere that the ‘doomsday’ glacier in Antarctica could melt away by next year, raising sea levels by some horrendous amount. Tuvalu might disappear…
  Scientists say, so it must be true.
  Here we go…
  https://www.joboneforhumanity.org/the_thwaites_doomsday_glacier
  
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  September 25, 2024 4:24pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Should the worst happen, at what point would the UN chuck them out as not being representative of a country?
    
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    September 25, 2024 7:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More voting scandal breaks.
Have the Dems ever won anything without cheating?
2.7 million non citizens!!

https://pjnewsletter.com/election-illegal-immigrants-democrats/?
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September 25, 2024 12:29pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, people have been asking for almost 4 years why do the Dems turn a blind eye on the Southern Border? It is plainly obvious they want these votes despite what lasting damage is inflicted on the US by letting in all manner of criminals and pedos. In their sheer desperation for votes the Dems have pretty much destroyed America. The MSM keep mum about the suffering many States are experiencing by wandering illegals, who in some cases murder farmers and attack citizens in their homes. Those doddery Senators and Congress members will one day soon have to deal with the crime creeping into their comfortable residential areas.
  
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  September 25, 2024 1:21pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The establishment looks after themselves.
    They don’t give a fuck about America.
    
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    September 25, 2024 2:22pm
Swifty

Release the sausages!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/keir-starmers-sausages-gaffe-goes-viral-at-labour-conference-amid-gaza-war/CEWNEEJ5RBE35LFNJKUAI5AMCY/

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September 25, 2024 12:31pm
Swifty

I’m actually quite stunned at the shallowness of John Campbell’s questioning:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LYE2xdi8DJo

Has he given up? He really is just phoning it in now. Seymour nails his response.
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September 25, 2024 1:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Campbell is an idiot. He thought he was baiting Seymour so he could blast him with racism. Seymour tied him in knots.
  
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  September 25, 2024 2:27pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Thanks Swifty, watching that made my day.
  
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  September 25, 2024 4:19pm
- Miritu
  
  “I’m actually quite stunned at the shallowness of John Campbell’s questioning”
  Talk about naïve .. where have you been the last 15 years?
  
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  September 25, 2024 6:04pm
  - Swifty
    
    To be fair, I’ve not watched TV for a good 12-14 years and don’t even recall the last time I saw any John Campbell reportage – I just chanced upon this on YouTube today.
    
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    September 25, 2024 8:55pm
mandk

It’s about time to stop spending taxpayers’ money on promoting Te Reo.

The latest results from StatsNZ’s General Social Survey show that, even amongst Māori, proficiency in the language is decreasing.

In 2023, 11% of Māori said they could speak the language well or very well, compared to 13 in 2021.

And 15% said they could speak the language fairly well in 2023, compared to 19% in 2021.

The money would be better spent on promoting proficiency in Mandarin or Spanish.
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September 25, 2024 1:26pm
- cmm
  
  For this to be true, some – or all- of the following must also be true:
  * Many of the fluent speakers were very old and a significant portion have died in the last 2 years.
  * Young Maori are hopeless at speaking “their” language – despite all the millions spent on immersion schools etc.
  * Maori is a useless language of no practical value that is easy to forget.
  
  I grew up in a multi-lingual society speaking English (first language) , Afrikaans and Zulu and Xhosa. I have lived outside of South Africa for over 30 years but would still consider my Afrikaans excellent (I can listen to an hour long interview and understand every word). My Zulu and Xhosa are a bit rusty, but I am sure I could pick those up again in a few days if I was motivated.
  
  So, I wonder, why is Maori so difficult for people to engage with?
  
  I suspect it is just another taxpayer funded trough and that there is little real interest in generating results.
  
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  September 25, 2024 2:21pm
  - mandk
    
    I think it is probably all three, but especially the last.
    
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    September 25, 2024 2:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Um, maybe Afrikaans was not forced upon you?
    
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    September 25, 2024 4:37pm
    - cmm
      
      Partially, yes.
      Afrikaans was partially forced upon me, but it was also highly useful. Many English speaking South Africans struggle to speak Afrikaans and cannot do so fluently.
      
      Yes, we were forced to learn Afrikaans from Y3 to Y12, but the language you learn at school is pretty dismal (especially where I went to school: Natal). For example, even after 10 years of getting Afrikaans lessons many conscripts into the Army couldn’t understand Afrikaans well – especially those of us who grew up in Natal where Afrikaans speakers are relatively rare.
      
      I did very poorly at Afrikaans at school (being dyslexic didn’t help), but I spent some university holidays in predominantly Afrikaans areas (eg. Witbank) immersed in Afrikaans and learned more there. I also did my university in Cape Town where most Cape Coloured people speak Afrikaans. Then 2 years in the Army where I chose to speak Afrikaans pretty much all the time.
      
      In South Africa in the 1980s the majority of Afrikaans speakers (white, coloured or black) struggled to speak English and I found it easier to communicate with them in Afrikaans.
      
      I learned Zulu and Xhosa because the Zulu and Xhosa people I interacted with knew no other languages. It was reasonably common for white (nominally English speaking) farm families to speak Zulu at home a lot of the time. One kid I knew could hardly speak a word of English by the time he went to school.
      
      All those languages have utility because there are millions of people who speak them (and do not speak other languages). Those that have not learned to speak English well are stuck in a time warp – mainly in rural areas.
      
      Maori is not like that at all. Very few people can speak Maori well (eg. well enough to go through a day conversing only in Maori) and there are probably less than a bus full of people who can only speak Maori.
      
      It’s not useful, therefore people will not learn it.
      
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      September 25, 2024 6:54pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        My Grandfather (who died before I was born) spoke Afrikaans. He came to NZ from Capetown before WW1.
        My Dad never spoke it, the language was not carried on – although Dad did say a few swear words that I did not understand!
        
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        September 26, 2024 8:08am
  - Eastlander
    
    My mother recalls meeting people back in the 1970s who had grown up speaking Maori for whom English had been a second language – the youngest were well into their fourties and most were considerably older. Anyone alive who claims to be a fluent speaker is usually lying or grossly overestimating their proficiency.
    
    One of my cousins has been to immersion schools for his entire school life. He is most certainly not fluent and is never likely to be, English is what he speaks whenever he’s not in school. This is doesn’t bother anyone because the language is only wanted for ceremonial reasons, there is no real desire on anyone’s part to use it as their kitchen tongue.
    
    I should add that no attempt was made to get his sister competent in the language. Because as we’ve established, it’s only wanted as a ceremonial language so the priority is always teaching it to boys so they can use it in their speeches. If they actually wanted it preserved as a living language then teaching it to girls would be the first priority so they could in turn pass it on to their children, but that’s not what’s happening.
    
    Saving the Maori language is an excellent business though – the worse you do at it, the more funding you can ask for. All incentives are toward failure.
    
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    September 25, 2024 4:55pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Having Maori forced on everyone has been the perfect example of shooting yourself in the foot. Let’s be absolutely honest about this. Nobody likes to be forced to do something and being forced builds up resentment. How many non maori have been obliged to listen to endless speeches and waiata which they don’t understand and nor does anybody else in the room. It is bloody insulting. It’s as stupid as having someone address the room in Polish or Chinese. My grand children have to learn Maori at school, I have told them that when they have a choice they should learn another language that is actually useful to them, Maori isn’t, unless of course you aspire to being a civil servant,
    
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    September 25, 2024 5:07pm
- Grunter
  
  The taxpayer’s money would be better not spent at all.
  
  If you want to learn a language, or any new skill, fantastic – but do it with you’re own money not mine.
  
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  September 25, 2024 4:05pm
- Flossie
  
  I recently witnessed an interesting interaction between a couple of young Maori mums. They started out well, with kia ora etc and chatted a bit in Maori. Then things got a bit heated and they both quickly reverted to English and threw insults at each other.
  I guess the English swear words are more effective!
  
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  September 25, 2024 4:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The “F” word is an English word?
    Who knew!!
    
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    September 25, 2024 4:35pm
    - mandk
      
      In Te Reo the spelling is: Whuk.
      
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      September 25, 2024 6:51pm
- greybeard
  
  French. A truly International language. Or Spanish.
  
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  September 25, 2024 8:08pm
cmm

An investigator says a cop should be charged for pursuing a criminal which lead to the criminal killing herself.

Bullshit. All the criminal had to do was stop and the pursuit would have been over.

The family claim the pursuit was “callous” and “senseless”.

“He said the ultimate goal of any pursuit was to minimise harm to everyone involved”. With one less crim on the streets that was probably be achieved.

It amazes me how families like this refuse to acknowledge the part their criminal children play in their own deaths and other poor outcomes. I suppose a lifetime of being bailed out will help make kids turn out like this.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350427800/crash-investigator-cop-involved-fatal-pursuit-should-be-charged
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September 25, 2024 2:32pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s a shameful article .
  
  Investigations ongoing and yet they trot out this “expert” who essentially blames the Cop for the death of a young woman .
  
  Who as you say simply didn’t have to “flee”.
  
  At no point does the article reiterate , as it should if they want to pretend to be educating ( we get enough of the “if you’re affected by” b/s at the end of so many stories) folk , instead of just being really vindictive and nasty , ‘hey don’t break the law , stop for blue lights / sirens …….who knows , it could save your life or someone else’s’ .
  
  Shame on that ex Cop “expert” and Penfold .
  
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  September 25, 2024 4:23pm
Swifty

Holsted going in Oct.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/top/529002/ministry-of-education-s-head-iona-holsted-to-leave-role-early
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September 25, 2024 2:40pm
- NothingLeft
  
  1 down, 5500 to go…
  
  Amidst stiff competition The MoE has to be one of the most underperforming in Wellington. Massively bloated headcount and yet education standards have been getting worse for generations.
  
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  September 25, 2024 5:01pm
cmm

Here’s an early prediction for the 2028 US presidential race:
* Jill Biden will throw her hat in the ring.

Jill seems to have been doing all she can to raise her profile:
* Sitting in on cabinet meetings – at the cabinet table.
* Having the Marine Band play a specially composed “Fanfare for the First Lady”.
* Interjecting and being an obvious aide to Joe showing she wears the pants.

This suggests to me someone keen for office.

She’s 73. She will be 77 in 2028 – so reasonably young by modern standards.
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September 25, 2024 2:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What’s with the downticks for you cmm?
  It is not satire – which the lefties don’t like anyway.
  
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  September 25, 2024 4:33pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Six downticks! Are even Kiwis happy with having a senile President in charge of the nuclear football, with Jill “Edith” Biden as backup.
  
  I’m old enough to remember all the Lefty screaming about Reagan in the 1980’s, but then double standards are part of the Lefty platform in the US, and it would seem around the world.
  
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  September 25, 2024 5:12pm
- kevn
  
  cmm… She is hooked on the baubles.
  
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  September 25, 2024 5:29pm
- NothingLeft
  
  She’s also likely criminally labile for part of the Biden money laundering/bribery operation as are most of his extended family as bagmen and parties to the laundering operations. Rico all the way.
  
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  September 25, 2024 6:33pm
- AitchW
  
  How on earth does the president’s wife get to run cabinet meetings? She’s not elected, purely there as a result of marrying old Joe. It smacks of the Kennedys and the whole Camelot bullshit. How do committed socialists elevate themselves to royalty?
  
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  September 26, 2024 8:29am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Was Joan Rivers right all the time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8a4KLVGIM8
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September 25, 2024 3:48pm
NoFax

Why does the wokery continue in our country? Because we vote for woke politicians and that’s regardless of what party they stand for – most of the MPs agree on most of the cultural issues. There are never any serious attempts at reversing this wokery.

Case in point, Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden has announce a change in law which mean same-sex parents will be able to decide to use “father”, “mother” or “parent” on a child’s birth certificate. I was always under the impression that a birth certificate was the child’s birth certificate rather than the parents. Further, there are no such thing as “same-sex parents”, it requires a man and a woman to have a baby – maybe Brook van Velden never got the “birds and bees” talk from her parents.
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September 25, 2024 5:23pm
Swifty

Rise of the Automatons 1913 | A Brief Overview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFHgIxxqLZI
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September 25, 2024 7:08pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350429410/wellington-council-houses-abandoned-decade-be-renovated-locals-say-its-about-time
“We look forward to them welcoming whanau into these homes.”: fair enough, but just normal FAMILIES would be OK.
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