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NeverMindTheBollocks

As Monkeypox cases continue to rise, a local medic bemoans the health system’s inability to get anti viral prophylactics out to the front line.

Well, here’s the news, boys. Stop hogging health resources that other people need. Stay monogamous and you won’t have a problem. Keep your pecker in your pants!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350423927/11-cases-mpox-linked-winter-pride-and-separate-case-confirmed
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September 21, 2024 8:02am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  [Make your point without the personal abuse.] mod.
  
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  September 21, 2024 10:33am
- sirknz
  
  This thing all but goes away with a few weeks of no gay orgies and a bit of staying home.
  
  Mind you, we didn’t really get a good answer during the last outbreak of how pet dogs, and/or the male children that gay men had adopted, managed to catch it either .
  
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  September 21, 2024 11:46am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Oh the days when gayness was illegal
  
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  September 21, 2024 11:47am
- cmm
  
  It is no surprise that monkeypox thrives in the same conditions as HIV.
  
  All the education in the world is not helping. It all just comes down to taking a few precautions and being vaguely sensible with what you do.
  
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  September 21, 2024 12:10pm
Chuck Bird

I am appalled at NZ supporting the anti-Isreal vote which will embolden Hamas. There was no call for the release of hostages.
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September 21, 2024 8:08am
- mandk
  
  UN = Undeniably Nazi, when it comes to Israel.
  
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  September 21, 2024 8:15am
- CJames
  
  With all the action north of Israel’s border, promotion within the ranks of Hezbollah must be rapid. That would be if they can find anyone to join them. Just like the Hamas terrorists are finding out, you can only hide in civilian population so long before the Grim Reaper comes calling.
  
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  September 21, 2024 8:26am
  - All_on_Red
    
    You mean the ‘Grim Beeper’
    
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    September 21, 2024 8:27am
    - G152
      
      Handy
      
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      September 21, 2024 11:31am
  - CJames
    
    Actually, it isn’t the Grim Reaper, it is the grim beeper. Have Hezbollah put in their order for carrier pigeons yet? Better check the credentials of their supplier first though.
    
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    September 21, 2024 8:32am
    - Albie
      
      I’m sure Mossad could develop a particularly nasty strain of bird flu!
      
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      September 21, 2024 10:36am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Albie
        At least the vaccine would be chicken soup.
        
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        September 21, 2024 12:51pm
  - kowtow
    
    Religious inspired Death Cult , no shortage of “martyrs”.
    
    Ordinary voters in Eu are finally waking up .Leaders ( as per UN vote ) not so much .
    
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    September 21, 2024 8:32am
- Simon
  
  But you voted for it. National govt.
  
  CB voted to support Hamas.
  
  Or does voting not really count.
  
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  September 21, 2024 8:28am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    How do you know what party I voted for?
    
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    September 21, 2024 11:13am
    - Ghost
      
      You do realise you’ve told the whole blog often who you voted for. Also at different times you wont vote act, you wont vote for nz first, you wont vote national. Bla bla bla.
      
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      September 21, 2024 11:25am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I not in the poll this week, Seymour’s favourables have dropped hugely, his preferred pm figures have also fallen away and the support has gone to Peter’s, by the election it looks like Act will not make the 5% not nzf
        
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        September 21, 2024 11:56am
      - imalwaysright
        
        G the,
        
        His drop might be because of the possibility of reverencing Iwi in his proposed bill.
        Many were probably looking forward to a bill that treated everyone the same.
        
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        September 21, 2024 12:55pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        You keep a spreadsheet Ghost? 😛
        
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        September 21, 2024 4:46pm
      - Ghost
        
        You don’t need a spread sheet, just wait to see who he’s not voting for next. Strangely he’s never mentioned greens, Māori or labour as ones he’s not voting for, but not tomorrow, that will be the weekly complaint about jack tame.
        
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        September 21, 2024 5:26pm
    - Simon
      
      You voted for this??
      
      https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-820725
      
      UN votes 124-14 to strip Israel of right to self-defense in Gaza, West Bank
      
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      September 21, 2024 11:35am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Exactly just possibly that is not their land ffs
        
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        September 21, 2024 12:08pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Peters is in full control of foreign affairs, they support 2 state solution like all but 6 countries or a figure of that nature. As usual you smear Nats when Peters has full responsibility for foreign affairs and he admitted as much in the house on Thursday.
    
    What difference do you think a vote for Act would have made?
    
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    September 21, 2024 11:52am
    - Don Beckett
      
      It’s a cabinet decision = Luxon would have had to approve.
      
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      September 21, 2024 12:38pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Maybe, but Peter’s has complete rule over foreign affairs. You don’t have to tell me that cabinet makes the decisions, they discuss Peter’s plan, so stop suggesting this is all nats
        
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        September 21, 2024 5:50pm
- Paulus
  
  Get real Hamas will never release any hostages – alive.
  
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  September 21, 2024 9:05am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They supported the two state solution which means immediate release of hostages to set a seize [cease] fire
  
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  September 21, 2024 11:49am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Thanks for the correction mod
    
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    September 21, 2024 12:09pm
- KH
  
  I am proud to be a New Zealander when we vote in the UN against murderous Israel
  
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  September 21, 2024 12:14pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    But it’s ok for Hamas & Hezbollah to continually try to kill every Jew, and the Jews – Israelis are not allowed to defend themselves. This has been going on since 1949, and the Arab aggressors still persist. Don’t keep poking the bear – it just gets more & more pissed off.
    
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    September 21, 2024 12:41pm
    - Quail
      
      Really this slaughter is beyond any reason, apparently caused by genocide of a much persecuted Jewish people in their own land.
      It beggars belief that a “ small bankrupt country in the South Pacific “ actually think they can change anything. And that reasons for this war is fully understood.
      NZ should have joined with our friendly Pacific neighbours and abstained.
      
      This is not NZs business and hopefully never will be!
      
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      September 21, 2024 5:25pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s not the murderous Israel. It’s the fact they went into Gaza, but let’s not forget they need to clean our Hanas
    
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    September 21, 2024 5:53pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  All aboard the UN lunacy train. Because “rules based order” or something. Toot toot.
  
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  September 21, 2024 1:40pm
- NothingLeft
  
  The conspicuous success of hard working Jews in Israel pisses off underperforming neighbors, especially Muslims (who believe they have a literally god-given right to be superiors to Jews) to an enormous degree.
  
  They are never going to get unbiased treatment, and it’s only going to get worse as Islam becomes a political power in the west through immigration.
  
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  September 21, 2024 2:26pm
- greybeard
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_again
  “Six Million Jews. Never Again”.
  Why won’t the Arab states believe this ?
  
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  September 21, 2024 7:26pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I find it amusing that so many Islamists got their gonads and bits blown off, this will surely upset their 72 goats in heaven. But, what a genius targeted strike. You have to admire it.
  
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  September 21, 2024 11:07pm
Swifty

In memory of Herbie Flowers:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBXUP5GqYJs&pp=ygUkaGVyYmllIGZsb3dlcnMgd2FsayBvbiB0aGUgd2lsZCBzaWRl

RIP.
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September 21, 2024 8:08am
- MCōs
  
  Not the most complicated piece of music, but instantly recognizable
  
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  September 21, 2024 10:15am
Chuck Bird

Climate Expert Bjorn Lomborg: Global Warming Has Saved the Lives of 282,000 Babies

https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2024/09/15/climate-expert-global-warming-saved-lives-282000-babies/?mc_cid=11080fc2b5&mc_eid=da3eadba9b
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September 21, 2024 8:10am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Lomborg is a climate “expert”? I thought he was an activist. An expert is someone you go to for dispassionate advice based on in-depth specialist knowledge, whereas Lomborg is an activist who campaigns against climate change mitigation policies. I know we’re used to hearing liberal luvvies passing off woke activists or climate activists as “experts”, but it’s no better when Breitbart takes the same approach.
  
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  September 21, 2024 9:08am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Is there an expert who is not an activist? Anyway, it is possible to evaluate the accuracy of the message and ignore the motives of the messenger. Cold weather has contributed to the deaths of many people.
    
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    September 21, 2024 10:43am
  - alloytoo
    
    Lomborg does the numbers. Climate activists hate the numbers.
    
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    September 21, 2024 10:59am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    No – Lomborg points out the insane spending priorities of Climate Religion zealots as well offering better options.
    
    Hence he is hated by the people providing so called solutions to climate change, which enable them to make billions from government subsidies to enact these foolish solution
    
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    September 21, 2024 11:18am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Lomborg believes that climate change is occurring and humans are responsible, but disputes that the effects and economic impacts will be negative. He argues that finances should be spent elsewhere, rather than on mitigation.
    
    By training, he is a statistician. With work on Strategy based on statistical probabilities.
    
    Yes he has pissed off the Climate Alarmists who have swung in to action labelling him a denier etc etc.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/aug/30/bjorn-lomborg-climate-change-profile
    
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    September 21, 2024 12:28pm
  - ChristopherW2
    
    He’s an economist with a serious academic background. He’s on the record as saying he doesn’t dispute the Theory; instead he examines and reports on the financial and economic implications of various policies.
    
    I guess in Climate Change World that makes him a dangerous heretic.
    
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    September 21, 2024 12:31pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    PP2 you totally misrepresent Lomborg in typical climate alarmist fashion. He’s a researcher who employs numerous PhD level experts to work out what really matters in terms of where to spend aid dollars. He’s actually a “luke warmer” as far as I can tell from listening to him. He always states climate change “is a problem” just not an existential crisis.
    
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    September 21, 2024 4:29pm
- cmm
  
  If we zoom out a bit and look at the whole picture – and include the use of fossil fuels in the picture – then the number is much, much larger.
  
  Every day, the use of oil and coal (as well as the derivatives such as plastic and electricity) prevents many millions of people from getting sick from food poisoning (through refrigeration, modern manufacturing, packaging etc), many millions from diseases, many million more from starving to death (due to improved food supply) and many millions more from freezing to death.
  
  We really have to look at it all as a package deal.
  
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  September 21, 2024 12:16pm
Damocles11

Yesterday the leftist NZ Herald published an ‘article’ by Willie Jackson. The Herald posted a photo of Audrey Young with the caption:
‘Senior journalist Audrey Young called out the government’s race baiting agenda.’
This is beyond the pale by the Herald, a further step than they have ever gone before. While it’s entirely predictable for Jackson to play the race card and engage in dangerous hyperbole – it’s all he ever does – for the Herald to take the same stance is appalling.
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September 21, 2024 8:28am
- michael_s2
  
  Ooops.fat fingers.
  
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  September 21, 2024 10:07am
- G152
  
  Gives you evidence of where our media lies, lies and finds the truth to difficult to report
  
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  September 21, 2024 11:36am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Agreed, and as usual on pay wall: it makes me wonder who will stab Hipkins, if Jackson is involved and he will be it will be someone from the so called Māori caucus. I presume Anderson has some Māori blood, but man watching her in Q time get pummelled for lies, and her not knowing what her next quips makes me think bring it on
  
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  September 21, 2024 12:14pm
- Paulus
  
  Why do people pay money for any of the so called newspapers in New Zealand – beats me as they are totally biased left wing ?
  
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  September 21, 2024 1:37pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yep people need to remember The Herald refused to run Hobson’s Pledge advertisement. Please stop funding these far left propagandists.
    
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    September 21, 2024 4:50pm
Yvette

Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill, First Reading, 26 July 2006

 “There’s no principles, the Treaty is written. That’s it.” – Maori King, Kiingi Tūheitia
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/maori-king-calls-for-hope-over-protest-while-dismissing-govt-treaty-bill/M2EXZG3JLNHTPFKEEUFK7Z5QXY/

[Roger Douglas and Richard Prebble] … are both adamant that Lange was as surprised as any of the other members of cabinet when s.9 ended up in the SOE’s Act, either at second reading or Committee of the Whole stage.
Prebble goes further: he says he happened to walk into the chamber just as the SOP – introduced by Trevor Mallard – was being discussed. In Prebble’s account, he immediately asked Mallard “What the f**k is this?” Mallard’s reply was “Geoffrey told me to put it in”. The cabinet didn’t learn about it until later.
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/09/general_debate_15_september_2024.html#comment-3617994

One man said there are no ‘Principles’
Another man says there are.
The first is dead. But the second isn’t and could be asked to explain how his decision was made – outside of Cabinet

However, because of the Treaty’s internal contradictions and its capacity for multiple interpretations, lawmakers have been reluctant to insert it directly into legislation. As Matthew Palmer has said, the Treaty of Waitangi is not sensibly susceptible to ordinary techniques of statutory interpretation. Instead, legislators have inserted the pusillanimous term “principles of the Treaty”—a simple flourish, as Geoffrey Palmer referred to the term when he inserted it into the State-owned enterprises legislation. Yet it is his son who demolishes his father’s work. Matthew Palmer argues that if the only point in putting in a reference to the Treaty is symbolic, it is unnecessary and unhelpful. If it is to express Treaty implications for that legislation, as required by the Cabinet Manual since 2001, then that is the civic implication that should be addressed and put into the legislation  
– Hon BRIAN DONNELLY (NZ First) Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill, First Reading, 26 July 2006 https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/48HansD_20060726_00001143/principles-of-the-treaty-of-waitangi-deletion-bill-first

26 July 2006 !
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September 21, 2024 8:29am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: It’s not Over, Till It’s Over.
Round 2: Deep State VS. MAGA.

“Rather than work hard to get ahead, the mantra of Millenials is – “it’s not fair.” Nothing in life is fair, the key is when you are down – you get up, dust yourself off, and work both harder and smarter.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-its-not-over-till?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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September 21, 2024 8:33am
- Philview
  
  I read this morning that Jon Kahn’s song ‘The Fighter’ is number one in the iTunes chart. I bet that fact will not get much publicity.
  
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  September 21, 2024 8:53am
  - kowtow
    
    Talking of publicity , there have now been two “major” stories re sex offending by very very high profile people , one dead, one alive , one UK one US .
    
    But compared to the , imho, extreme hysteria engaged in by the msm over Epstein/Weinstein offending , there has been relatively little coverage here , in fact remarkably so , given the comparison .
    eg the Combs story was covered by NZME in the entertainment section of the Herald , entertainment!, buried way back.
    
    I wonder if they are pulling their punches on these two , Combs and Fayed , as they are from “protected” minorities , while Epstein and Weinstein from a minorty that the neo Marxist msm now particularly love to hate.
    
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    September 21, 2024 10:06am
    - Paulus
      
      Now I suggest we know why the UK Government declined to give Fayed UK Citizeship he so wanted.
      Somewhere they knew the circumstances of this man who I thought was only just simple Mr Fayed not elevated to Al.
      
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      September 21, 2024 1:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A mole in the USSS or Trump campaign?
  Yes I believe that. Time to set a trap.
  
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  September 21, 2024 8:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Woman of colour assassination.

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-promises-next-trump-assassin-will-be-a-woman-of-color?
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September 21, 2024 8:35am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“The View” cast replaced.

https://babylonbee.com/news/no-one-notices-as-entire-cast-of-the-view-replaced-with-shrieking-feral-piglets?
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September 21, 2024 8:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Interest in EVs falling.
People are seeing through the stupidity.

https://patriotsamericanews.com/2024/09/interest-in-buying-electric-vehicles-has-taken-a-huge-nosedive-since-last-year/?
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September 21, 2024 9:00am
- kowtow
  
  rnz did a bigly piece on these smug mobiles .
  
  ‘He said electric vehicles were in some cases cheaper now than when the clean car discount was in place, but that had not been enough to stop the slump in sales. “People don’t see that, they see the $8000 or whatever that was dangled in front of them, there’s not that mindset of ‘I’ve got to go out and get it while it’s being discounted’.”
  
  So the market has determined the price now ,( as it always should for such trinkets) but how many millions of our hard earned dollars did the geniuses Ardern/Robertson and cabinet piss away on subsidies for the rich in order to burnish their green credentials .
  
  Where’s te meedia paahti specifically calling that out , ( as we know they would if it were anyone from the yellow /blue team)
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/528032/car-importers-stuck-with-excess-evs-weak-demand
  
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  September 21, 2024 10:27am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That shows just how deluded lefties are, world wide car companies are pulling out of electric vehicles cause they can’t sell them.
    
    Pricing has dropped big tim. For example: the Kia EV 6 was north of 100 k, I am sure I seen the new model going for 68 k this week, that is a huge drop, and actually would have put that car into the ev subsidy price of below 70 k
    
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    September 21, 2024 12:21pm
    - Paulus
      
      I thought we read recently that China are sitting on a million plus new EVs that nobody will buy any longer.
      The USA is an irrelevent market too a well as very very few have enven been sold there (anti American).
      
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      September 21, 2024 1:45pm
    - GJM
      
      That is some serious depreciation for the buyer of the new car at full price. Even worse, a second hand one will be less again.
      
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      September 21, 2024 2:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Well Dunedin G, the time will come when they can’t charge them!
      
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      September 21, 2024 6:43pm
  - cmm
    
    ““People don’t see that, they see the $8000 or whatever that was dangled in front of them”
    
    Well why not? If you were in the market for an EV, then Cindy’s carrot (pulled from the taxpayer’s pocket) seemed to be worth taking.
    
    The big thing is that the market saturated. Everyone who wanted an EV bought one last year. They won’t be buying another this year.
    
    But the media luvvies like to pretend there is still a huge market there and it is only the end of subsidies that changed that. Of course this is bullshit because EVs are substantially cheaper now without the subsidies than they were last year with the subsidies.
    
    Beyond the very few people that bought EVs, nobody wants them.
    
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    September 21, 2024 1:59pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Just do the maths. A small Toyota hybrid vs a small EV. The EV would only pay if you were doing massive miles eg a full time Uber driver.
      
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      September 21, 2024 4:39pm
      - cmm
        
        Yup, it has never been about the money. It is all about being smug and out doing the other soccer mums.
        
        We wanted a new small car and bought a Suzuki Ignis. $21k including 5 years/75,000km of services etc. Excellent vehicle.
        We get 21km/litre which is 110g of CO2 per km (if you’re worried about that). Far less than recharging an EV on an electrical grid which has coal generation on it.
        
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        September 21, 2024 5:33pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Too inconvenient and expensive for most people for starters.
  
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  September 21, 2024 1:43pm
artemisia

Over at fyi.org.nz here has been some interesting OIA back and forth with Wellington City Council about mayor Tory Whanau’s rest periods. The need for these periods was raised publicly by the mayor, stating that she needs lots of rest as exhaustion is a common symptom of her condition.

Turns out the the rest periods are when the mayor is at her desk working, no engagements involving people. Not a cup of tea and an actual lie down time to time. When asked for further information by the Council got sniffy and said the issue is closed.

All very strange, especially considering this is the mayor of the capital city and her own statements. And actually hard to believe.
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September 21, 2024 9:32am
- Taieri
  
  she needs lots of rest as exhaustion is a common symptom of her condition.
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  I sympathize as exhaustion can even kill. What she needs is a permanent rest. This will help her. This will also help Wellington’s ratepayers. Immensely.
  
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  September 21, 2024 9:57am
- pdm
  
  `And actually hard to believe.’
  
  Why – after all it is Wellington Mayor Tori Whanau.
  
  Surely you do not expect her to put in an honest days work just because she was elected Mayor.
  
  No one with Green affiliations thinks or works that way – it is so 1960’s.
  
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  September 21, 2024 10:04am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I have younger relatives working in the public sector. 7 hours and 35 minutes per day. That’s what Tory will be used to.
    
    Given her medical conditions, the Mayoralty is not for her. Do yourself (and the ratepayers) a favour, Tory, and resign.
    
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    September 21, 2024 10:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Her condition like Ardern means she thinks she only has to work 9-4 apparently Ardern use to very very angry if she was forced to be public after 4 pm she always left parliament as soon as her questions in Q time were finished
  
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  September 21, 2024 12:00pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Do you have any evidence that Jacinda stopped working at 4 pm each day? It may have been better for everyone but I simply don’t believe it.
    
    Neither do I believe the posts I read about regular temper tantrums. For the entire time that she was Prime Minister, I dealt with officials who met with her, or were only one step removed from those who met with her. I never heard any reports of tantrums or that she stopped work at 4pm.
    
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    September 21, 2024 1:29pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Mostly agree Benedict, but I have heard a few reliable statements that say she did from time to time burst into a temper tantrum using the F word etc. and more.
      She is a woman after all.
      
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      September 21, 2024 1:36pm
    - Paulus
      
      Serious tantrum, I heard from close to her inner office, if she found out something she did not like, so people kept well away from her temper.
      
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      September 21, 2024 1:48pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No. But time and time again I heard reports she use to get shitty when she had to surface, can you point to where I said she refused to do her job after 4 pm?
      
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      September 21, 2024 5:57pm
- John Loveridge
  
  I wonder if Tory needs frequent breaks and rest periods when she’s out partying on the piss.
  
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  September 21, 2024 12:16pm
  - grumpy
    
    I have heard that sometimes she is on her knees with exhaustion ….
    
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    September 21, 2024 12:57pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    She quit drinking several months ago.
    
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    September 21, 2024 1:24pm
    - Mr Nobody NZ
      
      I don’t believe she has ever claimed that she has given up drinking completely only drinking in public. Which considering the number of recent scandals it has caused her makes good sense.
      
      I can’t help but wonder if the recent sale of her car less to do with the cost of living that she claimed vs a personal attempt at avoiding a repeat of the Kiri Allen situtation.
      
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      September 21, 2024 1:52pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “… a personal attempt at avoiding a repeat of the Kiri Allen situtation”
        
        Have these folk not heard of Uber? 🙂
        
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        September 21, 2024 2:22pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I’d say experienced Uber drivers are pretty wary of drunk/drugged women (yes and men, but intoxicated women are more tricky).
        
        No doubt they have ways of making a quick escape.
        
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        September 21, 2024 4:59pm
    - mogg
      
      If you are prepared to take the word of an alcoholic, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
      
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      September 21, 2024 2:11pm
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      In public
      
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      September 21, 2024 6:03pm
Bridgenag

BREAKING: Forced to get 3 vaccines to receive medical care, 23-year-old Alexis Lorenze is now fighting for her life
No vax, no care. So she had to get 3 vaccines. Within 10 minutes, she was blind in both eyes. She’s now fighting for her life. Doctors are baffled as to the cause since it can’t be the vaccines. //

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/breaking-forced-to-get-3-vaccines?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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September 21, 2024 10:03am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Oh I see that the madness has extended to the meningitis and tetanus vaccines. 🙁
  
  Unlike COVID, AFAIK, there are rarely mild cases of tetanus and meningitis.
  
  Yes I guess the tetanus vaccine can kill you, blind you, or cause your head to explode. I think that I would roll that dice if I stepped on a rusty nail. 🤔
  
  BTW it is clear from the article that doctors are not “baffled”. Her calamity was caused by her disease.. “Paroxysmal nocturnal hemoglobinuria” a rare, acquired, life-threatening disease of the blood characterized by destruction of red blood cells.
  
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  September 21, 2024 11:08am
  - Ghost
    
    I think when you read the article in the news the issue is with her autoimmune illness it’s not recommended to give multiple vaccines at once
    
    https://nypost.com/2024/09/20/lifestyle/woman-with-rare-disease-claims-shes-now-blind-and-bruised-after-doctors-made-her-get-3-vaccines/
    
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    September 21, 2024 11:18am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Indeed. However, the inference of the post is that what happened is illustrative of some danger in the vaccines.
      
      Children die every year from the MMR vaccine. The incidence is about 1 in 1 million. It does not mean that folk post on kiwiblog telling parents to stop vaccinating their children.
      
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      September 21, 2024 11:51am
      - imalwaysright
        
        “Children die every year from the MMR vaccine”
        
        I wonder if the parents are told their child has a 1in a million chance of getting measured up for a coffin if they take the MMR ?
        Most parents would be focused on the “1” rather than the “million”.
        
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        September 21, 2024 1:06pm
      - Mr Nobody NZ
        
        @imalwaysright
        “I wonder if the parents are told their child has a 1in a million chance of getting measured up for a coffin if they take the MMR ?”
        
        I think most parents would consider the major measle epidemics which occurred every two to three year and caused and estimated 2.6 million deaths each year prior to the introduction of the measle vaccine in 1963.
        
        or
        
        one person out of 15,000 cases become permanently deaf after having mumps and 1-2 people out of every 100,000 who die due to mumps.
        
        or
        
        The 15 out of every 100 people who catch Rubella who end up in hospital and 1 out of every 1000 who die or the third who are left with permanent brain damage.
        
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        September 21, 2024 2:04pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Mr N,
        I’m not arguing against vaccination, merely commenting on the psyche of knowing the odds.
        
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        September 21, 2024 2:15pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “I think most parents would consider the major measle epidemics which occurred every two to three year and caused and estimated 2.6 million deaths each year prior to the introduction of the measle vaccine in 1963.”
        
        Yes but that is the thing with antivaxxers. Parents of children born in the 1960s and 1970s were children when there were no vaccines. They saw the horrors that vaccines ended. There were no antivaxxers.
        
        Now we have parents who were born in the 1990s, have never seen the devastation caused by these diseases, and are unlikely to have studied science. Hence the emergence of the antivaxxers.
        
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        September 21, 2024 2:26pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  No mention of where this is. Don’t try and say here if we don’t know, look at the vaxes she was required to have, most nexts have them as kids to stop spreading these destructive diseases
  
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  September 21, 2024 12:05pm
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    California
    
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    September 21, 2024 12:22pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Then why is this breaking news?
      
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      September 21, 2024 6:00pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “No mention of where this is.”
    
    The article states that it happened in California.
    
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    September 21, 2024 1:32pm
- Inandout
  
  Bridge, when I was in vaccine mode before the plague as soon as I was injected the nurse asked me to sit for 20 minutes in case of a reaction. This was for annual flu and the shingles once. I was reaction free until the compulsory (to live a normal life) covid ones. For 3 weeks after the first awoke once and vomited, next day the runs, and after no 2 dizziness for a week. Safe vaccine?
  
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  September 21, 2024 1:11pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Tulip Sunday run over by cyclists.

Tulip Sunday, a Wellington tradition, is no more. Formerly, families and the infirm would flock to the Botanical Gardens to see tulips at their finest bloom. It was incredibly popular. Council has now said that it is unsustainable and plantings will be replaced by natives. It’s the Botanical Gardens, FFS! In a country jam-packed with native plants that’s where we go to see exotics.

The real reason for the cancellation is that all the parking on Glenmore St, formerly used by visitors to the Gardens, is now cycleways. Too bad for those in wheelchairs or with kids in pushchairs.

https://wellington.govt.nz/news-and-events/news-and-information/our-wellington/2024/08/spring-festival-2024
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September 21, 2024 11:25am
- Jack5
  
  It’s bio-Wokism.
  
  Like the move to replace weeping willows on Christchurch’s Avon River with native trees.
  
  Legend or fact, many Christchurch people over generations believed the trees descended from cuttings taken from those near Napoleon’s first grave on St Helena. The story was the cuttings were taken by Akaroa-bound French and German settlers.
  
  But … just White oral history.
  
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  September 21, 2024 11:32am
  - Paulus
    
    Are not the Willow tree the origin of the Asprin called medically Acetylsalicylic acid?
    
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    September 21, 2024 1:53pm
  - MCōs
    
    Let’s not turn the origin of the willows into a racial fracas. The origin is explained in this blog from 2014
    https://sandrasgardenblog.wordpress.com/tag/weeping-willows/
    
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    September 21, 2024 4:17pm
    - MCōs
      
      There’s a plaque commemorating the likely origin of the willows
      https://readtheplaque.com/plaque/the-weeping-willows-of-christchurch#gsc.tab=0
      
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      September 21, 2024 4:45pm
    - Jack5
      
      Trees aren’t classified by race, Cossie.
      
      It’s a matter of indigeneity and Woke prejudice.
      
      With the drift of continents, some species aren’t as purely indigenous as the Woke think:
      
      https://meaningoftrees.com/2013/06/20/the-story-of-new-zealand/
      
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      September 21, 2024 4:51pm
      - MCōs
        
        I was replying to this comment
        “But … just White oral history.”
        which seems intent on bringing race into the narrative
        
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        September 21, 2024 9:04pm
      - Jack5
        
        😃Cossie, Thai ho on that.
        
        You regard it racist to talk of White oral history but not racist to talk of “Maori knowledge,” generally a euphemism for Maori oral history?
        Either neither is racist, or both are racist.
        
        The movement elevating status for indigenous trees and other indigenous flora isn’t unrelated to the rest of the indigenous rights movement round the world.
        
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        September 21, 2024 10:35pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Note that the Council states that it has switched away from tulips to more “climate friendly” flowers. 😭
  
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  September 21, 2024 11:48am
  - Jack5
    
    More “climate-friendly” flowers than tulips?
    
    Invercargill is 767km south of Wellington by aircraft. That’s 767km colder. Yet Southland has a tulip export industry.
    
    It ships bulbs, rather than flowers, to Europe and North America:
    
    https://www.farmersweekly.co.nz/people/how-a-southland-tulip-farm-grows-a-blooming-business/
    
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    September 21, 2024 12:06pm
    - mandk
      
      Invercargill is not that far from the equator. It is only 46 degrees south.
      
      Central Holland, where they have done a bit of tulip growing, is 52 degrees north.
      
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      September 21, 2024 12:58pm
      - Jack5
        
        Correct on lattitudes, but Netherlands temperatures benefit from the ocean currents (folk these days seem to differentiate the “Gulf Stream” from the “North Atlantic Current”):
        
        https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/ocean-current-keeps-europe-warm-weakening-180968784/
        
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        September 21, 2024 2:28pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No you misunderstand what the Council is saying 😃
      
      They are telling us that the process of growing tulips produces more greenhouse emissions than does growing New Zealand natives. In other words growing tulips contributes to climate change.
      
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      September 21, 2024 1:22pm
      - Jack5
        
        Yep, didn’t realise Wellingtonians were turning against non-indigenous plants because of climate panic. Thought it was indigenous activism.
        
        Next, will Woke Wellington prune its public service population?
        
        Each of them each day “breathes out around 500 litres of the greenhouse gas CO2 – which amounts to around 1kg in mass”.
        
        https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-earth/how-much-does-human-breathing-contribute-to-climate-change
        
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        September 21, 2024 1:49pm
      - cmm
        
        That is crazy.
        
        But I suppose it is no more crazy than blaming cows.
        
        When the wildebeest roam the plains of Africa with a gut full of methane-making bacteria that’s fine. Same bacteria making the same methane in a cow – bad.
        
        Natives do not harvest carbon because they are not processed into wood products. The natives fall down, rot and return to the atmosphere. It’s called the carbon cycle.
        
        The major way trees remove carbon from the atmosphere is by making it into wood, then having humans interrupt the carbon cycle by taking the wood to build houses, furniture etc.
        
        The best way to do that is to grow fast growing trees that put down a lot of wood – fast. Pines etc.
        
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        September 21, 2024 2:07pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        They can breathe easy because Co2 is not the control knob for the average global temperature. The proxy record clearly shows this. And cherry picking selective segments of that record is just playing silly buggers.
        
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        September 21, 2024 4:42pm
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    ” more “climate friendly” flowers. ”
    
    Yes ChCh will soon become like Death Valley, any moment now. 😂
    
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    September 21, 2024 1:48pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘replaced by natives.’
  
  What gets me about this woke bollocks is the very people pushing it are themselves “exotics” and shouldn’t be here , by their own philosophy !
  
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  September 21, 2024 1:57pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yes, they are blinded by their fear of maori activists.
    As cmm alluded to, if it was about the co2 they should ban natives.
    
    In fact the tulip bulbs generate offspring bulbs which preserve an amount of the co2 they ingest. Perfect.
    
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    September 21, 2024 2:28pm
Benedict Yu

This story of council waste is not quite on the scale of the Wellington Council bike racks, but it is entertaining.

Those in the Wellington region will be aware that the Kapiti Expressway has replaced the ‘old SH1’ between just south of Paraparaumu and Otaki. Thanks Steven Joyce😀.

The old highway is now a “local” road managed by the council. When NZTA handed the road over, it gave the Kapiti Council $300,000 to “rename” the old road. This was way back in 2017.

Next step was a long consultation with the local iwi and the proposal was to divide the old highway into seven sections with new road names.

Section 1 – Hurumutu
Section 2 – Hokowhitu
Section 3 – Rauoterangi
Section 4 – Kākākura
Section 5 – Unaiki
Section 6 – Katu
Section 7 – Matene Te Whiwhi

https://tinyurl.com/n4942933

Anyway, most folk hated the suggestions.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/92004853/locals-say-plan-to-give-sh1-seven-unpronounceable-maori-names-is-pc-gone-haywire

Seven years on, the $300,000 from NZTA has long been spent and the old road still does not have official names.

In 2025, work will begin on extending the expressway to beyond Levin, and no doubt the fight about renaming will start up again.

Meanwhile, my Garmin GPS unit in the car has resorted to a simple solution. It recognises the road as “Old SH1”. 😀
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- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  [Your posts with gratuitous obscenities will continue to be deleted. mod.]
  
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  September 21, 2024 12:25pm
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    But they are factual
    
    [Mod – just tone your posts down please G]
    
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    September 21, 2024 6:05pm
- Inandout
  
  BY, my goodness in days gone by I owned a TomTom and switched to Google when the former introduced paid updates. I have found Google almost perfect, and free.But who knows, if mobiles get into exploding mode I may have to revert to old technology.
  
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  September 21, 2024 1:21pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Congratulations. You are now under intense observation by Google and their “partners” 24/7 in more ways than you can possibly comprehend.
    
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    September 21, 2024 1:50pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Garmin is fantastic, but I guess that is what I am used to. It also comes with free updates. My unit is (about) 6 years old and still updates for free.
    
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    September 21, 2024 2:30pm
  - artemisia
    
    I’m picking semaphore will be the next big thing.
    
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    September 21, 2024 5:13pm
- Taieri
  
  There’s a cycle path that I ride daily. Done several thousand kilometers there. It has some sort of a longish Maori name, which was apparently “gifted” by the local tribe. I have no idea what it is, as I have no need to know. Wonder, how many people actually refer to it by this mysterious name?
  
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  September 21, 2024 1:32pm
  - cmm
    
    I suspect there was also an expected reciprocal gift. Probably something a bit more tangible – $.
    
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    September 21, 2024 2:11pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Wonder, how many people actually refer to it by this mysterious name?”
    
    None.
    
    Street names are a bit different. Phoning the emergency services and asking for an ambulance at “57 Matene Te Whiwhi Road” could be a bit challenging for some of the folk who live on the Kapiti Coast. 🙂
    
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    September 21, 2024 2:34pm
Jack5

A problem on Youtube with the New Zealand accent.

It’s the way we pronounced “e”.

Another practical NZ video entailing carpentry, and the guy appears (to overseas ears) to say “we didn’t have a dick.”

Fools even the automated translator of Youtube. If the caption is showing it reads: “we didn’t have a dick.”

Example:

https://youtu.be/OmOxzuZJ02Y?si=5wOERxvbWSV95hxa

OR this earlier Mitre 10 “dick” building video that’s had 618,000 views. It’s an excellent video in New Zealand vernacular. It entertained an American watcher who posted, no doubt pissing off Aussies: ” … love the way Australian pronounce deck made this video not only informative but also hilarious.”

https://youtu.be/4Sw6YJOcVWk?si=WEp0eJ3-aNm7VzwO
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September 21, 2024 11:57am
- cmm
  
  I remember some linguist saying that you could get an English speaker to say one sentence and immediately tell if they were from England, South Africa, Australia, USA or NZ – often down to a region (eg. Cape Town vs Durban or Dunners vs Auckland).
  
  It was something like:
  “Eat fish and chips on the deck”
  
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  September 21, 2024 2:15pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    There are linguists who can listen to people and place them in quite a small area from where they come from.
    
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    September 21, 2024 6:09pm
Gravelroad

Have watched “Kamala on Oprah”.
I know a bit about women with alcohol problems.
Have seen it first hand.
If that had been a male candidate on a similar programme , there would be comment suggesting that he could have been drunk.
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September 21, 2024 12:38pm
- Inandout
  
  Gravel, after listening to Nancy Pelosi you would be correct in your assumption.
  
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  September 21, 2024 1:24pm
Jack5

The price of gold is surging. It’s just broken through $US2600 an ounce.

Bets for further U.S. interest rate cuts, and rising tensions in the Middle East are driving it up, reports Reuters.

A 100-year chart of the gold price:

https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart
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September 21, 2024 3:17pm
Jack5

Traditional Maori ways incorporated into his business:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/te-ao-maori/350417501/traditional-maori-approach-making-waves-modern-business
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September 21, 2024 3:32pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack, regardless of moon talk I note $5.8 million has appeared from somewhere.
  
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  September 21, 2024 4:27pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Writer of the article not dwelling in la la land at all.
  
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  September 21, 2024 4:35pm
Dougal10

Kiwi bank helping get rid of cash transactions 1 withdrawal at a time , $7 transaction fee for a $200 withdrawal.
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September 21, 2024 4:07pm
- cmm
  
  Even at an ATM?
  Costs zero for other banks.
  
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  September 21, 2024 5:35pm
  - Dougal10
    
    At an ATM in ashburton. It is near a MSD office so may just be taking advantage of the cliental .
    
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    September 22, 2024 8:25am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

There are Youtube videos on the website/blog that I can not mention without getting a ban. There are 3 now regarding the 440 church leaders and Divid Seymour’s Principles Bill.
For those interested you should know where to go for the Youtube Channel.
That is all, sorry.
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September 21, 2024 4:45pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  There are some very very silly woke churches about.
  
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  September 21, 2024 5:05pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350424656/new-zealand-singer-eddie-low-dies-following-cancer-battle
Great singer.
No doubt there are many other oldies on this blog who like myself remember his part in NZ’s music scene.
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September 21, 2024 7:14pm
Ghost

Good video from a trump protester

https://youtube.com/shorts/P_F_W9BUOu8?si=lnktPTIYFXmdYmh3
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