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Simon

Stop eating cats. Trump 2024 for the win.
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September 13, 2024 8:05am
- Scott
  
  Apparently the Haitians are grabbing geese –
  
  https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/10/exclusive-police-audio-report-confirm-haitian-goose-hunting-in-ohio-they-all-had-geese-in-their-hands/
  
  There are reports about cats as well on the internet from residents so that could be true as well?
  
  But the bigger problem is that this town of 65,000 people has been sent 20,000 Haitian illegal immigrants. It’s upsetting the locals. The illegals are everywhere. Strangers who don’t know local customs are taking over the town.
  
  This would upset most people. And rightly so. And this is happening everywhere because the US Southern border is wide open. And that’s on Biden and Harris.
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:25am
  - Inandout
    
    Scott, imagine 20,000 illegals suddenly being dumped on Napier or Whangarei. This is crazy stuff. Perhaps we should ignore fact check and go straight to impact check?
    
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    September 13, 2024 9:41am
  - sherp
    
    Then there’s the massive increase in car crashes as they’re unlicensed and the city doesn’t do anything to stop them.
    
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    September 13, 2024 9:45am
  - Mod88
    
    This is the exact plan Starmer has for the UK. Moving Illegal Immigrants in lots of 1800 into every town village. Some of these places only have 3-500 residents. It is going to be a disaster, talk about invite your enemy in, it is downright Treason.
    
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    September 13, 2024 11:10am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      A lawyer with luxury beliefs in charge of the UK. One silver lining is he is going to severely piss off a hell of a lot of the population. This will hopefully wake many out of their slumber, hopefully before two tier Kier completely destroys the country.
      
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      September 13, 2024 10:19pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Ah but all of the correct people have declared this to be false.
    
    So it must be true then!
    
    Haiti is a well known centre of liberal civilisation – the cannibal gangs very rarely actually kill and eat people – and that footage of Haitians with ducks and geese, and cooking cats must all be fake news!
    
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    September 13, 2024 11:25am
  - Conservatarian
    
    It’s a genius tactic from Trump. Hundreds of shitlib regime journos will leave their DC and Brooklyn apartments and fly to Springfield and run around with their hair on fire screaming “TRUMP IS LYING AGAIN” trying to find people who have never seen a single Haitian eating cats and dogs. The regime media will disgrace themselves as usual. They’ll accuse the local African-Americans of being racist against the Haitians and then start talking abut the noble tradition of eating cat. They’ll tell us how normal it is to go to your local park and say “Great, this town provides us free food” and behead a duck and take it home to put in the pot for dinner. More normal people will watch or read the regime media for the last time and switch to other providers of news.
    
    Meanwhile we all get to find about about the illegal immigration disaster, the driving accidents, the effect on the locals in Anytown, USA or Big City, USA, and we all get to wonder why the Border Czar – whoever she is – allows this to occur. Illegal immigration (and not just in the four border states) is a huge loser for Democrats and, once again, it is front and centre.
    
    They fall for it every time.
    
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    September 13, 2024 11:56am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Dump the cat munchers on Martha’s Vineyard. The best fact check they’ll ever get.
      
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      September 13, 2024 10:21pm
  - DaleK
    
    I heard an Ohio professor interviewed yesterday by Michael Laws. He was adamant that the Haitian immigrants were there on specific work visas, therefore not illegal. Of course that doesn’t mean that they aren’t eating cats and dogs. Different cultures have different tastes/morals etc. Go to South Auckland and witness Tongans eating dogs. Its a thing.
    
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    September 13, 2024 2:38pm
  - Quail
    
    Worth Googling which countries eats dogs,and cats.?
    There is quite a list India ,Korea Switzerland just to name a few.
    Perhaps Trump was right after all ? ? ?
    
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    September 13, 2024 5:41pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    They can come here & eat as many Canadian geese as they like. Those things shit one there’s no tomorrow!
    
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    September 13, 2024 8:32pm
    - Paulus
      
      Our Tauranga Council told me in writing as a result of complaint that the many hundreds of Canada Geese were not their responsibility in our/their local parks and golf courses.
      They can be shot as a pest at time, I am told, as nothing to do with them, or other Authority.
      
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      September 14, 2024 2:15pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  IMHO the the two really scary things are.
  1. Trump and Harris are the best candidates a country of 330 million can come up with.
  2. A handful of voters in the 4/5 battleground States will decide who is the Leader of the Free World.
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:28am
  - cmm
    
    Would you put your hand up for the job? I sure wouldn’t.
    
    I think there are at least two huge factors at play:
    * The system (or as it is often called “the swamp”) really decides. The voting is only a small part of it.
    * The good candidates – who would change the system and set USA on a course away from the debt disaster they face – would not get selected.
    * The good candidates are employed elsewhere in society running businesses etc. They are better employed there than in the White House.
    
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    September 13, 2024 10:17am
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      The best qualified would not want the pay cut.
      
      Pay the President of the United States a whole lot more.
      
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      September 13, 2024 10:24am
    - Nobby2
      
      Your three points can be equally applied to NZ.
      
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      September 13, 2024 11:03am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes exactly. Chris Luxon as PM is as about as good as it gets. In the current Government the top half dozen Ministers are, again, about as good as you will ever get in New Zealand. Below that, they are pretty ordinary.
        
        Case in point:
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350413107/maori-development-minister-encourages-govt-agencies-be-bilingual
        
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        September 13, 2024 11:40am
      - Notsofast
        
        Glad you posted that link because now we know
        
        “We’ll find over time that more New Zealanders will use te Reo Māori as their first language, and their primary language of communication,” the minister said.”
        
        He should be sacked for talking this expensive nonsense. The only means by which te reo gains primacy is by creating fake words from the infinitely superior language, English.
        
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        September 13, 2024 12:30pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The numbers of folk who are somewhat proficient in the Maori language are increasing. However, anecdotally much of that increase would be in State sector employees. Resistance is career damaging, and has become more so since the change of government, which I suspect is counter-intuitive for many.
        
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        September 13, 2024 1:28pm
      - Scott
        
        Yes it’s interesting that people think we can replace English with Maori as our main language and that would all be good.
        
        Maori had originally about 800 words. Now it appears we can use a Maori word for the internet (ipurangi). Now that’s not a made up word, it means source, like source of a stream. The word has been repurposed.
        
        But given the basic nature of the tribal culture to adapt the language for 21st century use is a huge task. And given we already have English it makes little sense in my opinion.
        
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        September 13, 2024 1:45pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      There must be precious few sane and capable people, especially right leaning men after the Bret Kavanaugh and E-Jean Carol/Trump false accusations, who would willingly hold their whole past and all their families pasts up to the no-holds-barred take-down machines of US politics.
      
      That said the likes of RFK, Ramaswamy, de Santis and Vance are shining through.
      
      US is in dire need of campaign finance reform. Corporate Lobbyists, many of whom are paid for by money circulating back form US govt contrators, own the US govt. It’s rotten to the core, and is destroying US democracy.
      
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      September 13, 2024 1:51pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I would not describe RFK as “shining”. His anti vax views make him a serious menace.
        
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        September 13, 2024 9:13pm
  - Paulus
    
    Am told that 100,000 votes could decide the whole thing !
    
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    September 13, 2024 10:35am
  - thirteenstars
    
    No scarier than what happens all over the world in politics.
    
    Labour governs in the UK with a massive majority but only 35% of the vote.
    
    Best people? Try going through the rogue’s gallery and just plain incompetents who have led most Western nations including our own in recent times. Ardern? Reelected with a massive majority, enabled by an idiocracy of voters to wield the axe originally handed her by Winston Peters under our glorious MMP system. Hell, have you seen the profligate diversity-driven ideologues running and ruining most local councils in NZ?
    
    I’d rather have the US system where the president actually has quite limited power and real authority is exercised at the state and local level.
    
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    September 13, 2024 10:52am
- Burtland
  
  apparently Taylor Swifts cat, interviewed by Harvard using AI, endorses Kamala //
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:43am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    I loved the meme from yesterday:
    
    “woman who has built career out of making poor decisions, endorses Harris”
    
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    September 13, 2024 11:26am
    - fernglas
      
      Yes, those decisions were really bad, weren’t they. Her current tour is expected to gross in excess of 4 billion. She is an icon to millions; somewhere around 30% of Americans consider themselves fans. Or are you talking about her relationship breakups, a source for many of her songs? Can’t be, surely, because Trump has an epic record of fucked up relationships but nobody seems to take that into account when analysing his political acumen. Or is it just that Trump’s a man, so those things can be ignored?
      
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      September 13, 2024 4:11pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      Who, Taylor Swift? You must be joking. I’d like a bank account based on making such poor decisions.
      
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      September 13, 2024 4:14pm
    - ChristopherW2
      
      Just so that people get the joke, which was from the Babylon Bee I think, it was a ‘woman who has made a career out *singing about* making bad decisions…’
      
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      September 13, 2024 6:19pm
- Paulus
  
  Why have we been told that the informatio0n regarding immigrants killin local naimals to eat is actually true, but !!!!
  
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  September 13, 2024 10:34am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Trump was laughed at, but the story of the Haitians eating ducks in the park was quite credible.
    
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13829857/Springfield-resident-claims-Haitian-migrants-decapitating-eating-ducks-park-Ohio-town-rages-explosion-migrants.html
    
    As I commented yesterday, if I read reports that folk were chasing down Canadian geese for dinner in the eastern suburbs of Christchurch, I would not be surprised at all.
    
    https://www.thepress.co.nz/rural/350335184/unanswered-question-about-canada-geese
    
    So why should I not believe that Haitians are eating ducks in Ohio?
    
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    September 13, 2024 11:45am
    - grumpy
      
      Have you ever eaten Canadian geese? If you had you would know how desperate they must be……….
      
      It’s the repeat offenders who would worry me.
      
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      September 13, 2024 1:05pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        There seem to be fans.
        
        https://www.reddit.com/r/Hunting/comments/zz7dhp/is_canada_goose_any_good/
        
        I can imagine many Chinese folk getting stuck in. Running around the Avon River with a shot gun, not so much. 🙂
        
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        September 13, 2024 1:17pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        BTW – AFAIK, capturing and (humanely) killing the Canadian Geese in Canterbury would not be an offence. They are not a native species. Discharging a shot gun along the Avon River would be another matter.
        
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        September 13, 2024 1:31pm
      - grumpy
        
        Bennie, in New Zealand you can kill them any way any time. Shotgun with a silencer?
        
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        September 13, 2024 1:32pm
      - David Garrett
        
        grumpy: I don’t knnow what you were eating, but I recall eating roast Canadian goose for several days – they are big birds – when my father bagged one while duck shooting one year. It was delicious.
        
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        September 13, 2024 3:05pm
      - Paulus
        
        Ever eaten or tried the tribal Maori Muttonbird from Southland – Sooty Shearwater.
        Ghastly smell, and yuk to eat.
        
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        September 14, 2024 2:20pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      I don’t know why you keep bringing up ducks, you’re being distracted by idiots creating straw men. In the debate Trump specifically said dogs, cats and pets.
      
      “In Springfield, they are eating the dogs. The people that came in, they are eating the cats. They’re eating – they are eating the pets of the people that live there.”
      
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      September 13, 2024 4:20pm
      - MCōs
        
        There’s a gazzillion MAGA types who take him at his word
        
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        September 13, 2024 5:03pm
      - Mike
        
        And a gazillion more offering to translate his gobbledygook into something slightly more plausible.
        
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        September 13, 2024 6:34pm
  - cmm
    
    As one of the political commentators in USA said:
    * First they will deny it and mock people who said pets were eaten.
    * Then they will call you racist for applying your values to Haitians.
    * Then they will say it is beneficial to the environment to eat pets.
    * Then they will say everyone should eat their pets and you are a white supremacist if you don’t.
    
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    September 13, 2024 11:50am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump/Harris Debate Fact Check.

https://babylonbee.com/news/the-bee-fact-checks-last-nights-debate?
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September 13, 2024 8:06am
- Tomtoddy
  
  The tragedy of the debate was that Harris’s handlers knew she could lie and exaggerate with impunity because Trump is not a clever debater and would mishandle the opportunity to catch her out.
  
  It is useless blaming the moderators – we all knew they would protect Harris – but we also hoped Trump would make better use of the gifts she threw him.
  
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  September 13, 2024 8:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Kamala baited him and he took it. He should have recognised her trolling.
    Anyway it is the “Bee” Quite funny.
    
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    September 13, 2024 8:38am
    - Vinicius
      
      Perhaps Trump isn’t the good debater a lot of his supporters thought he was.
      
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      September 13, 2024 9:17am
      - fernglas
        
        He’s probably one of the worst impromptu speakers who has ever held high office. And debating takes another level of skill again because it requires you to think about what the other person has said and formulate a reasoned response. He isn’t up for a second debate, I see, and no doubt that is because he and his supporters know that it would be extremely risky the closer the election comes.
        
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        September 13, 2024 4:17pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Vinicius: “Perhaps Trump isn’t the good debater a lot of his supporters thought he was.”
        
        Nah most of them know it’s not his greatest strength.
        
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        September 13, 2024 10:32pm
  - Mike
    
    Trump is incapable of maintaining control of himself when obvious triggers (crowd sizes, generals despising him, dictators manipulating him, etc) are used.
    
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    September 13, 2024 8:50am
    - sherp
      
      That’s why he started all those wars when he was in charge.
      
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      September 13, 2024 9:18am
      - Mike
        
        Interesting metric. Care to explain its importance?
        
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        September 13, 2024 9:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mike, sherp’s comment was satire.
        There is the explanation.
        
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        September 13, 2024 10:58am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yeah Mike. Right on. Who gives a crap about the needless slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people.
        
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        September 13, 2024 10:36pm
    - Grunter
      
      He’s clearly a narcissist – easy to trigger “mines bigger than yours!”
      
      But he is still clearly a better candidate than Harris and her promoters. NZ knows – we had Ardern. Harris is exactly the same as Ardern.
      
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      September 13, 2024 9:37am
      - sherp
        
        The biggest narcissist president the US has ever had, had a lower net worth after leaving office… weird.
        
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        September 13, 2024 9:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        And if Harris should win then what Ardern did to NZ will be chicken feed to what Harris will do to America.
        What are her Policies? because they will be nothing like the Biden admin Policies.
        
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        September 13, 2024 9:47am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I would say he is a narcissist, but only so far as his narcissism is in the name of the entity known as the USA.
        
        As he said to Biden in their debate, “I don’t need this job, I’m here because you are so bad at it”
        
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        September 13, 2024 10:45am
      - Grunter
        
        Ha! I can’t believe I was down ticked…..? I’ll try again….
        
        Harris’s policies and ‘values’ are the same as Ardern
        
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        September 13, 2024 11:09am
      - Taieri
        
        He’s clearly a narcissist
        ————
        
        And which one of them is/was not?
        Remember our own little Podium of Truth and its regular occupant?
        
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        September 13, 2024 1:51pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      Biden/Harris administration: here Iran, please have some billions because we’d like to believe you’ll behave yourselves. We’ll ignore you telling us that you won’t behave. We won’t notice if you use it to fund Hamas or Hezbollah.
      
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      September 13, 2024 10:08am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Or use it to continue the nuclear weapons program.
        
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        September 13, 2024 11:00am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The 14 downticks are amusing. I would have thought that such a statement is unarguable.
      
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      September 13, 2024 11:46am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    I am interested in the downtickers thinking. I would vote for Trump in a heartbeat even though I dislike some of his personal attributes. I believe Harris is a total fraud, a lightweight who couldnt run a decent fox party in a henhouse.
    
    But I would have thought it was pretty obvious that Trump failed to pick up adequately on many of her 20 odd lies, and misuse of information. The purpose of any debate is to put forward your own points but to also undermine your opposition. He simply didnt connect at the level he might have and should have.
    
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    September 13, 2024 9:42am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I am never sure of what Trump and his 3D chess are up to.
      Maybe he wanted Harris to get a perceived win and then watch her ego self destruct in the next 7 weeks.
      
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      September 13, 2024 9:52am
      - Flossie
        
        Perhaps as he’s aged he isn’t quite as on to it as he was even a few years back?
        
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        September 13, 2024 10:07am
      - rouppe
        
        How is she going to self destruct in the next 7 weeks?
        
        She’ll do no interviews. She’ll attend rallies and repeat the “will you fight for America? ” line. I can see a swell building behind her. Might be of the media’s making, but it’s there.
        
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        September 13, 2024 11:30am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Harris only has to poll sufficiently well that winning via the myriad avenues for ballot fraud created by Democrat in state office doesn’t look entirely unbelievable to the US majority.
        
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        September 13, 2024 1:55pm
    - AitchW
      
      I think Hosking hit the nail on the head yesterday when he said that he’d be an undecided vote, not because it was difficult to choose, but rather because he didn’t know if he could bring himself to vote for either. They really are dreadful.
      A womanising narcissist and an Arden clone. Yuk.
      
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      September 13, 2024 10:00am
      - Grunter
        
        “A womanising narcissist and an Arden clone. Yuk”
        
        Two obvious, clearcut truths…..yet still downtickers.
        
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        September 13, 2024 11:12am
      - Matt Long
        
        All politicians are narcissists, some aren’t womanisers. (Perhaps most who identify as women fit in this category. )
        Picking the least worst candidate to vote for really shouldn’t really be too difficult a step, based on policy and effectiveness.
        
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        September 13, 2024 11:38am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes I agree with him. If forced, I would say that a Trump win is better for America than Harris. However it is appalling that the choice came to that. Whoever wins, historians will judge the election as a choice between two very bad candidates – “bad” in quite different ways.
        
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        September 13, 2024 11:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Grunter, wear your downticks as a badge of honour.
        It shows you are right over the target!
        
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        September 13, 2024 12:11pm
      - AitchW
        
        Grunter, yup. At least 2 of the downticks will be the resident trolls though.
        
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        September 13, 2024 12:12pm
      - Graeme Hall
        
        As Adam Corrolla noted many Democrat women don’t like Trump for his womanising & yet fail to notice Kamala Harris has been in the role of the “other woman” most of her adult life.
        
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        September 13, 2024 12:14pm
      - AitchW
        
        Matt Long, wouldn’t it be preferable to be able to pick the better of 2 impressive candidates than the least bad of 2 abysmal ones?
        
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        September 13, 2024 12:14pm
      - Ghost
        
        That of course is one of the most stupid comments that has come out the past few years. But good news for Mike, the king of downticks, he is according to Steve the most over the target on kiwblog. Well done Mike…..
        
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        September 13, 2024 12:16pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        I think Harris is far more sociopathic than Ardern.
        
        Ardern wanted to be liked by everyone, and earnestly believed in what she was doing, even if it was bat shit stupid and obviously destructive to anyone with a more-than-totally superficial understanding of govt, economics and human behavior.
        
        But Harris is a focused power-at-any cost sociopath. She believes in nothing and doesn’t care who she has to screw or what she has to say to get to the top. She was inserted into the role precisely because she will do whatever she is told to do without moral or ethical qualm so long as she gets power.
        
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        September 13, 2024 2:00pm
      - Matt Long
        
        HW, and if sheep droppings were emeralds, I’d be a billionaire. That doesn’t change facts unfortunately.
        
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        September 13, 2024 2:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrats to replace Kamala.
“At publishing time, Muir and Davis released a statement that they were looking forward to their next debate against Trump, which they would moderate themselves.”

https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-to-replace-kamala-on-ballot-with-abc-moderators?
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September 13, 2024 8:08am
- Don Beckett
  
  They already did that.
  
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  September 13, 2024 10:41am
Tauhei Notts

In my childhood Friday the 13th was referred to as Black Friday.
That does seem to happen nowadays.
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September 13, 2024 8:09am
- pdm
  
  I had not even noticed until you mentioned it TN.
  
  You are bang on.
  
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  September 13, 2024 8:23am
- Mike
  
  for some reason I recall the pre-moderation Kiwiblog, where Friday nights saw a more than usually unhinged General Debate, especially during a full moon.
  
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  September 13, 2024 8:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes Mike, we know!
    
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    September 13, 2024 9:53am
  - Matt Long
    
    Have you sworn off substances since moderation Mike?
    
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    September 13, 2024 11:40am
    - Mike
      
      Doubled my intake in search of stimulation.
      
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      September 13, 2024 6:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Black Friday and it is my Partner’s 65th Birthday.
  Nothing untoward has happened yet. I think it is best we just stay home.
  
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  September 13, 2024 8:41am
  - G152
    
    My wedding anniversary 1967
    
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    September 13, 2024 8:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Happy Anniversary.
      
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      September 13, 2024 9:12am
    - Colville
      
      I was born in ’67..you must be old as dirt! 🙂
      
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      September 13, 2024 9:22pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Happy birthday to her.
    
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    September 13, 2024 10:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, she has joined the pensioner’s club.
      I have to be careful not to use the term “old” until she gets used to being 65.
      
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      September 13, 2024 12:14pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        I have the same problem – except mine is 77 next week. 😆
        
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        September 13, 2024 12:44pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The speaker of the house says ‘thankyou.’
      
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      September 13, 2024 5:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now seems to have been adopted from USA by NZ retailers as a sales gimmick.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(shopping)
  
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  September 13, 2024 8:44am
  - Flossie
    
    We were there for Thanksgiving with family a few years ago and did the Christmas shopping starting at midnight before Black Friday. It was really fun (although I’m glad I wasn’t driving!) I’m told that since covid it has become way less of a thing and stores have cut back on opening hours. At least in the area we visited anyway.
    
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    September 13, 2024 8:58am
- NothingLeft
  
  Because it’s now racist or something triggering to .0001% of the population.
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:15am
- David Garrett
  
  Tauhei: I never do anything remotely risky which can be avoided on a Black Friday. So today – and more particularly tonight – will be a quiet one out here at Rancho Garrett
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:50am
  - Mike
    
    Commenting on Kiwiblog carries an inherent risk of making a fool of oneself.
    
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    September 13, 2024 9:54am
    - AitchW
      
      Oh, the irony, the lack of self awareness….
      
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      September 13, 2024 10:02am
      - Mike
        
        Just checking that David Garrett is as easily triggered as Donald Trump.
        
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        September 13, 2024 10:31am
      - David Garrett
        
        Aitch: It’s astounding isn’t it? He thinks he’s making some sort of profound statement by downticking others he doesn’t like – often on those days when there is ONE person downticking everyone I suspect it’s him – while seemingly not having a clue that 90% of us regard him as an irritating -which of course he greatly enjoys being – utter fool.
        
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        September 13, 2024 11:03am
      - AitchW
        
        DG, rather like a toddler. Negative attention is preferable to no attention…
        
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        September 13, 2024 12:16pm
    - Yabster
      
      clearing not a barrier for you milk
      
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      September 13, 2024 10:06am
    - David Garrett
      
      Well you are certainly superbly well qualified to know and comment about making a fool of oneself Mike/Mikey/Milky/Mikenmild/Mikenmildgain
      
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      September 13, 2024 10:08am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        More than 5 David.
        I am slowly figuring out this game, and I am a dumbass welder!
        
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        September 13, 2024 5:26pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Of course such beliefs make no sense.
  
  The ill fated moon mission Apollo 13 was launched on a Friday. IIRC some blamed the “Friday” and the “13” on the near fatal outcome.
  
  Just an aside – Apollo 11 gets all the attention for being the first moon mission. Then Apollo 13 for the drama. However Apollos 15, 16, and 17 were by far the most interesting of the missions.
  
  BTW for those of us still around in September 2026, we can look forward to another moon landing of 4 astronauts with Artemis 3.
  
  https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-shares-progress-toward-early-artemis-moon-missions-with-crew/#:~:text=NASA%20will%20now%20target%20September,remains%20on%20track%20for%202028.
  
  Those four will include a woman and a “person of colour”. 🙂
  
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  September 13, 2024 11:57am
  - David Garrett
    
    Bene: More than 50 years on, I still marvel that the Yanks landed two men on the moon in July 1969. I read recently that while NASA were 90% sure they could get them to land safely, they only rated at 50/50 the chances they could get them off again. I assume the astronauts must have known that.
    
    I can still reember as a boy of 12 watching, on poorly focused black and white TV for what seemed like an hour – but was probably 15 minutes – as Armstrong slowly desecended the ladder one rung at a time before he stepped onto the moon’s surface and uttered that world famous line, which has to be the most familar quote ever, for those of us alive and sentient at the time.
    
    As an aside, I remember seeing an interview with Armstrong – one of the very few he gave in his later years – when he said the line wasn’t given to him – just thought it up at the time. Fucking amazing.
    
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    September 13, 2024 12:09pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “I read recently that while NASA were 90% sure they could get them to land safely, they only rated at 50/50 the chances they could get them off again. ”
      
      That may be correct but I have my doubts. IIRC the ascent from the moon was tested on Apollo 10 and it worked flawlessly. If the chances of failure were 50 percent on each mission, inevitably one of the six missions would have been left on the moon.
      
      On Apollo 11, the near disaster occurred on landing. IIRC the lunar landing was heading for a crater. Neil Armstrong took control of the craft and managed to land it safely with only seconds of fuel remaining.
      
      Arguably the most dangerous mission was Apollo 8, which remains to this day the furthest that astronauts have ever travelled from earth. It was also the first time that men had been launched on the Saturn V rocket.
      
      Yes I am a fan of “For All Mankind” on Apple TV. 🙂
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_All_Mankind_(TV_series)
      
      BTW I gave up on Candace Owens, despite otherwise agreeing with many of her views, when she announced that Apollo 11 was a fake. 🙁
      
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      September 13, 2024 12:36pm
      - Ghost
        
        Just looked that series up, will have to watch it.
        
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        September 13, 2024 12:40pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes it is a very good series. It is based on an “alternative history”:
        
        – the USSR beats the USA to the moon. (The USSR did have a moon program. However the giant N1 rocket failed, and the progam director died.) In the alternative history, the program succeeded.
        
        – The “space race” never ended with the United States and the USSR each establishing bases on the moon.
        
        – The USSR did not collapse in 1991. Both the USSR and the USA launched missions to Mars by the end of the 2oth century.
        
        Very entertaining 🙂
        
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        September 13, 2024 1:24pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Bene: Crucially Apollo 10 didn’t land… it got down to 8 miles above the lunar surface before ascending back into orbit to dock with the Command Module. Unlike Apollo 11, at no point was the lunar lander’s engine shut off – that was the crucial difference between 10 and 11.
        
        Apollo 11 two months later was not only the first landing, but the first time the rocket engine on the LSM had to be fired up from “cold”. Had the engine not lit up, there was no plan B, and no possibility of rescue.
        
        I don’t know why you think Apollo 8 was “the most dangerous” NASA had orbited the moon in an unmanned vehicle before – several times IIRC – the only difference on Apollo 8 was that it was a manned mission.
        
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        September 13, 2024 1:36pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Bene; If the chances of failure were 50 percent on each mission, inevitably one of the six missions would have been left on the moon
        
        As everyone here knows my maths are crap, but this is totally incorrect: on every toss of a coin, there is a 50% chance of the it coming up heads. That does not preclude it coming up heads six times in a row.(There were six missions which actually landed)
        
        Also, because the first mission to land only had a 50% chance of getting off again, that doesn’t mean that each of the subsequent five missions had the same chance of failure. They learned things each of the six times that reduced the risk of the subsequent mission(s).
        
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        September 13, 2024 1:43pm
      - Ghost
        
        I see they have confirmed it for another season and a spin off as well
        
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        September 13, 2024 2:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Undercover video shows even top Democrats know charges against Trump are bogus.
Stephen Crowder.

https://patriotpulse.net/all-hell-broke-loose-over-this-undercover-video-that-changed-donald-trumps-life/?
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September 13, 2024 8:10am
- Chuck Bird
  
  That is incredible Steve.
  
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  September 13, 2024 8:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nick Biase must have given Crowder permission to release it.
    Certainly exposes the truth about the crooked Democrats.
    
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    September 13, 2024 8:43am
    - Grunter
      
      The Dems are so obviously crooked. I don’t like Trump either, but if I was made to choose it could only be Trump.
      
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      September 13, 2024 9:41am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Another Trumpster without saying they are.
        Many on this blog 🙂
        
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        September 13, 2024 5:28pm
- Mike
  
  it’s quite simple, Steve. The republicans see their political control of the courts as essential to entrenching minority rule. As they can only conceive of courts operating in partisan fashion, their usual habit of psychological projection compels them to regard any court not openly biased in their favor as illegitimate.
  A recent example: NC supreme court openly disregards state and federal law to get Trump’s new bestie RFK Jr off the ballot contrary to clear deadlines.
  https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4871613-north-carolina-supreme-court-rfk-jr-ballot-win/
  https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article292182075.html
  
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  September 13, 2024 8:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ““We can only hope that the secretary’s misguided action — now sanctioned with the imprimatur of this Court — will not have national implications,” Viviano and Zahra wrote, explaining that Benson had no legal authority to deny KFK Jr.’s request that he be removed from the November ballot.”
    Who is disregarding now?
    
    https://patriotnationpress.com/michigans-soros-backed-secretary-court-collude-to-force-rfk-jr-back-on-ballot/
    
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    September 13, 2024 9:20am
  - sherp
    
    …. you do know Republicans woild be in single digit support if they tried to pull the sport of crap we’ve seen the dems pull against Trump
    
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    September 13, 2024 9:36am
    - Mike
      
      How would one ‘know’ that faith-based assertion?
      
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      September 13, 2024 9:56am
      - Conservatarian
        
        Maybe he has matauranga Maori (Maori ways of knowing).
        
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        September 13, 2024 2:39pm
      - sherp
        
        here’s another assertion.. if the republicans pushed trump out of the nomination that he won through democratic vote and installed someone nobody in their party has ever supported the support for that candidate would be non existent.
        
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        September 13, 2024 4:42pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        sherp at 4.42.
        Mike is trolling
        
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        September 13, 2024 5:31pm
  - Yabster
    
    what minority is that then?
    
    as for the moronic comment about the courts- that doesn’t seem to be playing out for Trump- who to believe, [Mod – use proper usernames] or the guy in the video and the prosecutions brought against Trump for mainly political gain-
    
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    September 13, 2024 10:10am
  - thirteenstars
    
    “The Democrats ~~republicans~~ see their political control of the courts as essential to entrenching minority rule.”
    
    There, fixed it for you.
    
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    September 13, 2024 10:57am
- Its only I
  
  How do you know this site isn’t one of the 44 russian “money for disruption” sites?
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:27am
  - Mike
    
    Irrelevant, if it feels ‘true’ for Steve.
    
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    September 13, 2024 9:57am
- Paulus
  
  So what, follow the money towards the Democrats.
  
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  September 13, 2024 10:39am
imalwaysright

The media treatment of the emerging Monkey Pox cases at the Pride week seems benign.

No blame game, no calls for restrictions, no call for banning Pride week…

I wonder if they would be so benign if the source of the outbreak was a National party conference or similar.
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September 13, 2024 8:13am
- kowtow
  
  There was outrage about , what appeared to be a teenage prank and the flags, than there is about this local and growing outbreak of a ‘global virus’ .
  
  Last time that happened the msm ,which in the context of this story means something completely different, completely lost their shit and wanted all spreaders hung out to dry , this time , well not so much .
  
  And then they wonder why no one trusts them .
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:18am
  - pdm
    
    No sign of Baker, Wiles or their other doomsayer mates.
    
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    September 13, 2024 9:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They are working on models. Crooked results as soon as they can get the media to fudge it some more.
      
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      September 13, 2024 10:02am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They’re probably submitting their re$earch propo$al$, this very minute…..
      
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      September 13, 2024 10:34am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Getting advice from Bloomfield. He is an expert at this game.
        
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        September 13, 2024 11:25am
      - imalwaysright
        
        [Mod – use correct names] now works for WHO (yes, he is as thick as he looks) writing the rules for the next “pandemic ”
        
        Strange how we survived all of those pandemics, through millions of years, unvaccinated, before pharmaceutical companies arrived on the scene
        
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        September 13, 2024 12:31pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Bloomfield
        
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        September 13, 2024 1:24pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Strange how we survived all of those pandemics, through millions of years, unvaccinated…”
      
      A couple of points.
      
      Humans have not been around for “millions” of years. More like betwen 150,000 and 200,000 years.
      
      Also tens of millions died. 1918 being the latest episode. Even COVID killed 10 million. It would have been far less without the hysteria of the anti vaxxers.
      
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      September 13, 2024 9:04pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      There is no comparison betwen Covid and mpox. You need to essentially set out to catch the latter. Some homosexual men have a tendency to have astonishing numbers of sexual partners. Such promiscuity is impossible in all but a tiny number of heterosexual men.
      
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      September 13, 2024 9:08pm
- sherp
  
  Remember how much of a super spreader event the media claimed the anti mandate protest was….
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:21am
- PurplePen
  
  I’m trying to test how I might feel or spontaneously react by imagining if there was a monkeypox outbreak anywhere else such as any party conference or for example a Sally’s Army or Islamic or Catholic event or in a govt agency. My reaction to imagining all the above scenarios is tainted because all I can think of is that consenting sex was involved because of the strong link between monkeypox and sex.
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:44am
  - Ghost
    
    thats not the only way it spreads which is why over 58% of cases since January are in children under 15
    
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/health-chief-issue-mpox-warning-33618861
    
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    September 13, 2024 10:12am
    - Paulus
      
      In African children, from whence it emerged, again.
      
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      September 13, 2024 10:41am
- thirteenstars
  
  Same with that outbreak that came out of one of the Low Countries a couple of years ago after a Pride event.
  
  Turns out lots of oral and anal sex with random men flying in from various parts of the world leads to the transmission of nasty disease.
  
  Go figure.
  
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  September 13, 2024 11:00am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yep. One News reports the outbreak without comment or analysis & then immediately swings to MPox in Africa, pictures of wretched children etc.
  
  It’s like they don’t want to criticise those Gay Priders for their disgusting behaviour. Or something. Even when the evidence is undeniable.
  
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  September 13, 2024 8:43pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  What would you restrict? Sex? How does that work?
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:10pm
sirknz

How does Rod Duke make money in a recession?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/how-the-briscoes-bloke-rod-duke-is-making-millions-even-in-a-recession/OCK7NQQYYJHVZGHWGSM4ZJ3KIM/

Well if a previous employer is anything to go by, he tells his suppliers a week before the payment per the terms of trade is due that they aren’t being paid this month for goods they received 6 weeks prior, and that they better deliver this week’s order in full, and on time, as well. He might pay next month if he feels like it.
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September 13, 2024 8:23am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  sirknz, there’s more to it than that then. Your former employer has remedies available to him. If he relies on one customer for all, or a large proportion of his income, he is the problem.
  
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  September 13, 2024 11:14am
Weyland - Yutani Corporation

Question from HR:

How are your stress levels and personal well being?

Why do I get the feeling this is not the empathetic, supportive question it’s trying to be…
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September 13, 2024 8:39am
- sirknz
  
  I like the ‘anonymity’ of our HR survey.
  
  There is enough detail in it the that they can work out who said what with a high degree of accuracy. It is basically Guess Who minus the “do they wear a hat” question.
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:29am
  - Weyland - Yutani Corporation
    
    Oh yeah, “360” reviews, anonymous, but you know who the 5 people reviewing you are…
    This will either be worthless platitudes or the knives will come out.
    
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    September 13, 2024 10:29am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Its “tell us about you, to help us, to help ourselves, to help you, to help us.”
      
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      September 13, 2024 12:44pm
- Paulus
  
  Used to be called Personel Department but now !!!!
  
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  September 13, 2024 10:42am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Just a method for weeding out people who may initiate potential law suits, which they are shit scared of.
  
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  September 13, 2024 10:50pm
Surely Knott

Shout out to this good kiwi for showing the absurdity of the left in his video reel series “35 days of blaming my life on Pakeha”. Day 11. He would like to blame pakeha for rice, porridge and weetbix. Love it. Not sure about the rice though.

https://x.com/i/status/1833790432930918848
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September 13, 2024 8:45am
Grunter

I always find that most interviews with Eric Weinstein are interesting and get you thinking about stuff. Eric is a brainbox with an extremely high IQ (I forget what it actually is but he’s up there with Einstein etc).

This one is a bit long, but the discussion near the start talks about the dangers of having Biden remain as President over the next few months. ‘Imagine having to wake him at say 2am with the nuclear football and tell him he has 6-7 minutes to decide on keying in the codes….’ Weinstein has previously said that the mathematics required for a successful ‘multi-player game theory nuclear situation’ is beyond human calculation – let alone a demented 81-year-old under immense time pressure.

The demented Biden is meeting with the equally stupid Starmer tonight NZ time to most likely agree on giving Zelensky full use of NATO long-range missiles into Russia (Moscow etc). Of course, he will need the NATO military to actually fire off these things, using NATO satellites and guidance systems, etc (Ukraine doesn’t have the systems to do this themselves).

Meanwhile, Putin has just announced that if NATO fires long-range missiles into Russia that means Russia is at war with NATO (obviously).

https://youtu.be/Trrp-tgKvR0?feature=shared
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September 13, 2024 8:52am
- NothingLeft
  
  The great toad Putin has been rolling out the ‘red-line’ mantra for several years. But nothing ever eventuates as he slowly boils in the Ukraine cauldron.
  
  Note that Ukraine recently invaded Russian Kursk (interestingly the area of the biggest battle in history with 2 million combatants and 10,000 tanks during WW2 – making western front a side-show) taking 1200km², and another 700km² south of the Siem river in imminent jeopardy. Embarrassed Putin, commander of second best army in Kursk, has been mostly pretending it wasn’t happening.
  
  I’d say that with Russia importing oodles of North Korean and Iranian cruise and ballistic missiles to use on Ukrainian civilians (hospitals, schools, shopping centers and apartment blocks etc), with particularly appalling ‘double-tap’ strikes where they hit a target then do it again 30 minutes later to kill the first responders. That turn about is fair play. Putin can go fuck himself.
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:28am
  - Taieri
    
    Putin can go fuck himself.
    ———-
    
    Indeed. Hopefully he doesn’t fuck us up before he does that.
    
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    September 13, 2024 9:46am
    - Grunter
      
      It will only take one ICBM (intentional or mistaken), then all hope goes out the window.
      
      But no one in charge seems to be too worried, so that means it won’t happen//
      
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      September 13, 2024 11:22am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Why should Putin go fuck himself ?
      Unless you would sit in his house and give the same advice to his face then you might think twice about your convictions.
      
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      September 13, 2024 12:09pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Because it will have been communicated to Putin and his oligarchs via backchannels that they and their families will be in center of crosshairs if there is any nuclear escalation.
        
        Highly urbanised Russian population, poor as hell and all extremely dependent upon electricty, gas and other infrastructure to provide bare-essentials of life will all die of starvation within a few months if there is any nuclear conflict – it is true suicide for Russian population and leadership.
        
        Wealthier US population with far better infrastructure and climate, and far more spread out across their country will be far more resiliant, and with proven capable Patriot missile defenses (about 500 launchers in US and similar number more world wide) have high chance of survival outside of perhaps some metropolitan targets. And Russian ICBMs and warheads will be extremely unreliable after 3 decades of poor upkeep by corrupt leadership – Ukraine has demonstrated how crappy their residual soviet equipment is, their navy is pure garbage, their sat reconnaissance is practically non-existent, and US sub fleet can likely wipe USSR nuke threat out within 5-10 minutes, without significant riposte.
        
        Putin has little more than nuclear sabre-rattling on his side and collapsing military capability – not enough to even do a May-Day parade anymore
        
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        September 13, 2024 1:02pm
      - Grunter
        
        NothingLeft – where did you get all that from? I’m genuinely keen to read it and I hope you are right.
        
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        September 13, 2024 2:24pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Nothing ,
        I think you are delusional.
        Forget all the nuclear fallout and wealthy resilience or whatever, picture America with their ATM machines and their eftpos turned off.
        It takes very little to cripple a society so dependant on such a fragile infrastructure.
        
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        September 13, 2024 3:10pm
      - Eastlander
        
        America is more urbanised than Russia and has done far, far less to provide the survivability of its population. Unlike the United States the Soviet Union always regarded nuclear war as winnable even without a successful decapitation strike being achieved, and made extensive preparations to preserve as much of its population as possible and even keep war industries running following a nuclear attack. The federation inherited and built on what the communists left behind.
        
        As for the relative state of the nuclear forces, they are the one Russian service branch that continued to be funded and upgraded during the chaos in the 1990s and just recently underwent another wave of expansion, upgrades and provision of new systems.
        
        The condition of the American nuclear forces meanwhile is something Trump publicly deplored, and Patriots are not going to protect America any better than they protected Ukraine – Armed forces chief Syrsky claimed 20 % interception of Russian missiles at most. He didn’t specify rates for particular models – I guess his parents, friends and other relations in Moscow weren’t willing to give too much away.
        
        As for the Kursk operation, not only did to fail to ease the pressure on the Pokrovsk direction it just saw a huge part of its gains wiped out in the space of a couple of days.
        
        It is surreal to follow the Ukrainian channels as closely as one does and still hear after two and a half years that the Russians are ‘collapsing’. Perhaps even more so to be assured that the threats of retaliation from that direction are a bluff as though we didn’t have this whole damned war to prove otherwise!
        
        One hopes for actual peace negotiations while there is still no serious risk of losing Zaporozhia or Kharkiv and before conscription is extended to the 18-25 bracket.
        
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        September 13, 2024 6:17pm
  - Grunter
    
    Last sentence….. yep, that will work, you might get a job in the US State Dept – that is exactly their plan.
    
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    September 13, 2024 9:46am
- imalwaysright
  
  G
  He’s a great intellect. He would make a great advisor for Trump.
  I like his statement that the best thing a new government could do is to be honest about their actions. The breach of trust by governments is a major cause of civil unrest around the planet.
  
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  September 13, 2024 10:30am
I remember when

Is CGT like Road Tolls.
Those who think it will not affect them are all in favour.
Someone else pays.
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September 13, 2024 8:55am
Swifty

Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it’s SuperMaoriBoy!

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/XRddHLufRmBJW9fL/?mibextid=UalRPS

“Hey cuz, got a durry?”

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September 13, 2024 8:59am
Swifty

I realised just yesterday that the news media don’t report offender occupations like they used to routinely do. I wonder why the change?

Growing up it was always “Nelson police report that John Smith, tree-feller and Fred Jones, shepherd, were arrested overnight and charged with entering premises at night and worrying stock.”

They don’t seem to do it anymore.
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September 13, 2024 9:05am
- sirknz
  
  Probably for the same reasons we don’t hear about their iwi affiliations either.
  
  We might notice patterns, and noticing patterns is racist.
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:32am
  - Im Right
    
    I was going to mention that ‘purposeful omission’ also Sirknz
    If someone maori is getting an award, paradise, recognition the list of Iwi affiliations seems endless….if however the maori in question is being convicted, caught being up to no good NO iwi affiliations are ever given.
    Wonder who gave the ‘rules’ around this, are maori so precious that a ‘bad’ maori having their iwi affiliations published would offend?
    It seems so…
    
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    September 13, 2024 9:55am
    - Paulus
      
      Too late now – Maori have almost won the War via contiuous battles which they have won too.
      It has been allowed just to pass us mere mortals by.
      
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      September 13, 2024 10:45am
  - David Garrett
    
    sirk: I find it intensely irritaing that the word “racist” is tossed around like confetti used to be these days, often by people who have no real understanding of what the word actually means.
    
    Any half decent dictionary will define a “racist” as a person who regards people as being inferior or superior to another or others solely on the grounds of their race. It’s as simple as that.
    
    Thus to point out that “Maori are overrepresented in prison” is a simple statement of fact; it cannot by definition be “racist” to say so. It is also a simple statement of fact – and not racist – to say “Young Maori males are more likely to be criminals than young males of another ethnicity”. But by the same token, if you aded to that sentence”….because Maoris would rather steal things than work”. That statement is absolutely racist.
    
    But in an era when we have judges – even High Court judges – who think that “Muslim” is a race and not a religion, or more accurately a code for living, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.
    
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    September 13, 2024 10:02am
    - Grunter
      
      Well said sirknz & DG.
      
      A few KBer’s are quick on the draw with a “you’re a racist” rebuke when they have run out of rational debating points.
      
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      September 13, 2024 11:28am
- Flossie
  
  Maybe people change occupations more often these days.
  On a similar note why are some people referred to as just Retired and others are Retired Teacher or whatever.
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:52am
- Paulus
  
  ‘Cos they do not have any jobs !
  
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  September 14, 2024 2:32pm
KH

Chris Trotter sticks it up the thugs who say we are not allowed to debate principles.
Hilarious.
https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/gratitude-idea-we-have-equal-dignity-and-freedom
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September 13, 2024 9:07am
Chuck Bird

Luxon will be on with Kerri Woodham at 10 this morning and will take questions on 0800 801080.
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September 13, 2024 9:10am
- imalwaysright
  
  Did he say “What I would say to you…” whilst speaking to someone ?
  
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  September 13, 2024 11:09am
I remember when

Great heights reached this winter: Kapi-Mana News.
“The site was difficult to access, with bush on either side and blackberry bushes up to 3 metres high.”

And here was me thinking blackberry was a noxious weed.
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September 13, 2024 9:13am
Jack5

If was a fairly bland Ministerial response this week on ACC plans to raise its levies.

Jenée Tibshraeny reports in the Herald that the Minister for ACC, Matt Doocey, said, in part:

“..it is my expectation ACC will better use injury prevention as a lever to improve its performance.”

ACC began as a great scheme. Courts were jammed for months or years as lawyers, insurance companies, and the injured or relatives of the dead battled for compensation.

But the scheme has slowly been widened and distorted.

A minor example: motorbike levies were lowered under the cost of motorbike damage after a campaign that featured a prominent New Zealander.

Another example: ACC compensation was extended to sexual abuse victims. They might deserve help – but from motorists, industries, and workers?

And another example: Compensation seems now to encompass mental damage like, this, which is taken from the ACC web site:

Sudden traumatic events at work – A mental condition is covered if it’s the result of an event at work that you saw or heard directly and that could reasonably be expected to cause you mental harm – for example if the bank you work in is robbed, or if you’re a train driver and you unavoidably run over and kill someone lying on the train tracks.

These events are rare enough to be reasonable costs for employers to bear.

Yet another example, the publicity campaign that overturned a compensation rejection. The campaign was waged in the media, and was eventually led by an Aucklander with Government connections.

Minister Doocey says he expects ACC to “better use injury prevention” to improve performance.

It will take a lot more than that.

The Herald report:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/acc-proposes-hefty-levy-hikes-saying-costs-soaring-as-injured-kiwis-take-longer-to-recover/KC527PH5BREPBNOQ4OLIYLZKNI/
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September 13, 2024 9:18am
- rouppe
  
  I own a motorbike. The levy is quite enormous. I’ve seen the stats, and I’ll take their word for it that costs for injuries that involve a motorbike exceed the levies gather from motorcyclists. Though it’s be interesting to find out how many incidents involving motorcycle were because the motorcyclist was at fault.
  
  I wonder why there aren’t specific levies on sports clubs, particularly rugby, rugby league, and soccer, given the number of injuries that come out of those activities. Might just be broken bones, sprains, strains and concussions, but the quantity of those mean the costs add up.
  
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  September 13, 2024 12:01pm
  - Jack5
    
    Good points, Rouppe.
    
    Many motorcycle injuries are caused by other vehicles.
    
    But is there any way other than a court system that blame and damages can be fairly assessed? That would be back to the old lawyers’ paradise and taxpayer’s hell.
    
    More injury problems lie ahead from sport. Women boxers, who generally have lighter skull protection; cage fighting rivalling refereed boxing; long-term concussion damage in rugby …
    
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    September 13, 2024 1:39pm
  - rockape
    
    Pedestrians and cyclists pay no acc for their road use . Therefore their accident repair bill isn’t covered by their acc.
    
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    September 13, 2024 4:44pm
    - Mike
      
      Would you be happy if the taxpayers made a contribution to ACC based on the costs incurred by pedestrians jumping in front of vehicles? There could be a balancing reduction of levies on motorists.
      
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      September 13, 2024 7:00pm
kevn

Ai and data centres in NZ, power supply a problem?
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/09/10/oracle-is-designing-a-data-center-that-would-be-powered-by-three-small-nuclear-reactors.html
Now not later would be good.
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September 13, 2024 9:31am
- sirknz
  
  NO! Not the N word!
  
  You will send all the lefties and the ‘guardians of the land’ into a meltdown…
  
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  September 13, 2024 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, they start rolling around on the floor, making stupid noises and having anxiety attacks!
    
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    September 13, 2024 10:32am
  - rouppe
    
    Interesting metaphor, given the subject matter… 😆
    
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    September 13, 2024 12:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It’s hilarious.
      
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      September 13, 2024 12:17pm
I remember when

Climate Change Is Making ‘Last Chance Tourism,’ More Popular and Riskier’: NY Times.
“More tourists are eager to visit vanishing glaciers and ice caves, but warming is also making the sites unstable.”
“While the accident in Iceland cannot be directly linked to climate change, experts say that, as temperatures rise, the recession and disappearance of glaciers has popularized a new form of adventure travel called “last chance tourism.”
“Half a million people now visit Iceland for glacier tours every year,….”

It’s an ill wind that blows nobody any good.
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September 13, 2024 10:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The volcanos might melt the glaciers…..
  
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  September 13, 2024 10:38am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Wonder if they’ll mention Glacier National Park. Plenty to still see there, and the obnoxious signs saying that the glaciers will be gone by 2020 were removed a few years ago. 🙂
  
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  September 13, 2024 11:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep, like Exit Glacier Seward Alaska. The ice used to go into the ocean 12 miles away – long before the industrial revolution. Up the top is the Harding ice field, some 700 square miles. That will never melt.
    Over 100,000 glaciers, most un-named.
    
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    September 13, 2024 12:22pm
Ghost

Labour Party MP Lemauga Lydia Sosene has been diagnosed with breast cancer.

The Māngere MP, who first entered Parliament on the list in 2022, will take medical leave from Parliament starting from Tuesday. She will undergo surgery and then remain on leave to recover, Labour said in a statement.

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September 13, 2024 10:08am
Maggy Wassilieff

What keeps families in poverty traps?

The reality is that culture makes a huge difference to a child’s development outcomes and a culture that values education, discipline and technology is going to experience much less poverty than one based on motor-skill development and freedom of spirit.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/greg-clydesdale-why-jacinda-ardern-s-poverty-drive-failed
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September 13, 2024 10:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Poverdy traps is just where Ardern wanted them Welfare dependent and Labour voters. It worked for her in 2020. Lifting people out of poverdy was a blatant lie.
  
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  September 13, 2024 10:44am
- mogg
  
  The biggest poverty trap of all is that Socialism needs poor people, they don’t want to lift them out of poverty at all .
  
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  September 13, 2024 11:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fatherless homes is also a big thing with Socialism.
    The more poverdy the better.
    
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    September 13, 2024 12:25pm
I remember when

Bruce Moon: Democracy at Work: Breaking Views.
“Somewhat more accurately, the Treaty was written in the Ngapuhi dialect of Maori, one of about fourteen recognizably different dialects, some being mutually unintelligible..
The modern version of the Maori language, “te reo,” vastly influenced by the profound impact of the English language and British civilization and developments of almost two hundred years since simply did not exist.”
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September 13, 2024 10:43am
- Paulus
  
  When was the Ngaphui dialect identified ?
  
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  September 14, 2024 2:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

At 79 years old Winston seems to be as sharp as ever….

Hon Carmel Sepuloni: Who is correct: Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters, who said, “How can you have a referendum when, after the first reading, that’s it?” or David Seymour, who said, “You just never know how circumstances might change.”?

Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: Modesty prevents me from answering that question.

Hon Carmel Sepuloni: Who is correct: Sir Apirana Ngata, who said, “Article two states that ‘The Treaty guarantees to the Maori people their rights and possessions to their lands, their forests and their fisheries.'” or David Seymour, whose Treaty principles explainers ignore this and merely say, “all New Zealanders”?

Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: Actually, Ngata did not say that about article 2. He said it was about their positions and possessions. That’s the difference. I would ask her to go back and read that old treatise from 1922—102 years old now—and read it with great clarity, and for that member’s sake, I’ll make sure it has got pictures.

Oral Question 3:
12 September 2024
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September 13, 2024 10:51am
- JJ56
  
  And talking about property rights and the Treaty Rob MacCulloch that was the subject of critical post yesterday with a bit of a pile in from the hoi polloi here has a post today that they should read.
  https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2024/09/13/treaty-of-waitangi-legal-expertshave-misunderstood-its-economic-rationale-and-endangered-national-prosperity/
  
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  September 13, 2024 12:19pm
Taieri

and for that member’s sake, I’ll make sure it has got pictures
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Good one!
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September 13, 2024 11:01am
- peterwn
  
  Reminds me of the “Matt Rata Reads Comics” billboard that Bob Jones paid for – Matt was MP for Northern Maori (when there were 4 Maori seats) and Minister of Maori Affairs at the time.
  
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  September 13, 2024 12:13pm
kowtow

IDF special forces raid on Mullah weapons plant in Syria.

‘During major attack by jets earlier this week, IDF commandos said to have rappelled from helicopters to capture Iranians and remove materials before destroying site’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/reports-israel-raided-irgc-weapons-facility-in-syria-took-equipment-and-documents/

In other news it has been reported the terrorist who was photographed abducting poor , bloodied Naama Levy has met his just desserts.
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September 13, 2024 11:34am
- AitchW
  
  The world is a slightly better place without that piece of human detritus in it.
  I notice that the SG of the UN has bleated that 6 members of the UNRWA were killed when the IDF destroyed a Hamas command and control centre.
  He needs to go.
  
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  September 13, 2024 12:29pm
  - kowtow
    
    If the head of an organisation is allowing his staff to be members of a terror organisation or to “work” alongside them then he has an awful lot to answer for.
    
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    September 13, 2024 1:00pm
  - gravedodger
    
    They were clearly present fostering good relations and ensuring the UNRWA funds were being correctly applied.
    That collateral stuff can be quite sad really.
    No school near either, so sad.
    
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    September 13, 2024 4:54pm
Chris Nisbet

The UK government are doing such a bang up job of knackering the place in an effort to tackle “Climate Change!” (e.g. freezing the pensioners while sending £billions to Africa to fight “Climate Change!”, massive costs on dealers who sell too many ICE cars, inflicting even more unreliable electricity on the grid at enormous cost, steel manufacturing shutting down because of energy costs), that I reckon the next party to boot Labour out in a few years time will do so with a policy of dumping ‘Net Zero’.
I could be wrong (it’s happened before), but I’ll be amazed and horrified if the voters keep voting for more of the insanity.
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September 13, 2024 11:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Even the Green spinner of the Guardian – George Monbiot – is beginning to see the light:
  
  Out of 1,500 global climate policies, only 63 have really worked. That’s where green spin has got us
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/12/fossil-fuel-companies-environment-greenwashing
  
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  September 13, 2024 11:49am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Indeed. A good example is the EV subsidies in New Zealand. Effect on New Zealand emissions was zero. All the subsidies did were to further enrich a bunch of early adopter rich folk who added the EV purchase onto the mortgage of their Adrian Orr value inflated Kandallah or Cashmere house. Now the subsidies have ended, the EV market has all but collapsed in New Zealand.
    
    Yet this shockingly bad public policy was defended by many on the “left”, Julie Anne Genter and Wayne Mapp being prime examples. What a great idea – transfer wealth from poor people and the productive sector to public servants living in $3 million houses in Wellington. And yes it was that simple.
    
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    September 13, 2024 12:08pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Correct.
      A fine example of the onanism of the left.
      
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      September 13, 2024 12:54pm
    - cmm
      
      “Now the subsidies have ended, the EV market has all but collapsed in New Zealand.”
      
      I don’t think it was the removal of subsidies that caused the collapse. Rather, the removal of the subsidies and the downturn in EV sales just happened at the same time.
      
      Rather:
      * There was no real substantial EV market – with or without the subsidies.
      * The subsidies did prompt those who wanted EVs to act sooner to take advantage of the subsidies.
      * Once people who wanted EVs had bought them, the market was saturated.
      
      There was a once-off blip. That blip is mainly over.
      
      If it really was due to the subsidies and the price then EV sales would be higher now than 18 months ago, because EV prices have dropped.
      
      eg. VW ID4 was $79k. After the clean air discount it would have been around $70k (IIRC). Now it is priced at $55k. That is almost 30% cheaper than with the subsidy.
      Sales have not continued to increase.
      
      Did the subsidies “work”? Well yes they did trigger the irrational fear of missing out behaviour. This was really extra cash into the pockets of car sales rather than actually helping out the customers.
      
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      September 13, 2024 12:55pm
      - kowtow
        
        In Europe the EU Kommissar EV target diktats are killing the car manufacturing industry .
        
        German car makers ( and others ) not happy .
        
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        September 13, 2024 12:58pm
      - Hard Cheese
        
        @kowtow
        
        They’re not happy because they’re being squeezed out of the Chinese car market. Nearly 60% of new cars sold in China are now either EV’s or plug-in hybrids, all the profits that European car manufacturers used to make selling ICE vehicles in the world’s largest car market are disappearing quickly. Any legacy auto maker with high debt levels are going to have problems servicing that debt over the next few years without major downsizing or restructuring (see VW). They’re certainly not going to be able to solve their problems by competing with Chinese EV manufacturers.
        
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        September 13, 2024 4:49pm
      - Paulus
        
        I will stick with my VW TRocR petrol engined car which now over 5 years old remains superb from annual service to the next with good Petrol consumption from a good small 2 litre modern engine.
        Nowhere near any EV of any make.
        
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        September 14, 2024 2:42pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Very noticeable in my leafy green suburb that Teslas have largely displaced BMWs and Audis for the ostentatious middle-aged girl and boy bosses eager to signal their virtue as well as a lot of wealthy Chinese immigrants who are also extremely ostentatious.
      
      But they (and other expensive new cars brands) don’t make economic sense for anyone with a mortgage still to pay off.
      
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      September 13, 2024 1:20pm
    - wsk12345
      
      Poor people don’t pay any tax. Transfer was from the working/middle to the rich.
      
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      September 13, 2024 2:43pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Yet this shockingly bad public policy was defended by many on the “left”, Julie Anne Genter and Wayne Mapp being prime examples.
      
      How many more like Mapp are still in the National Party?
      
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      September 14, 2024 10:45am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Yeah, I hear you, but I’m not sure I’d go so far as to say he’s seeing the light… he thinks we should be going harder on those 63 policies that do ‘work’ (i.e. make our lives more miserable and expensive) e.g. flying restrictions, carbon pricing.
    
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    September 13, 2024 1:20pm
- peterwn
  
  They will – just like voters in Wellington keep voting Green or Labour regardless of skyrocketing rates and crazy local policies and projects.
  
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  September 13, 2024 12:15pm
- kowtow
  
  Lining up for a fight with the TUC , who say 200,000 good paying jobs on the line with their climate catastrophe aganda .
  
  You just can’t make this shit up.
  
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  September 13, 2024 12:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump supporter’s backhanded compliment to Biden.
In here we see Biden putting on a Trump 2024 hat.
Then a slideshow of THOSE ear rings. Bluetooth? Yes they are made.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-supporter-s-backhanded-compliment-to-biden/ar-AA1qqLEu?
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September 13, 2024 11:44am
peterwn

“Trump rules out another presidential debate against Harris”
Chicken!
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn9l9500vg7o
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September 13, 2024 12:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe he has ruled out another debate with ABC Moderators?
  
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  September 13, 2024 12:51pm
- kevn
  
  peter… Maybe a debate between tampon Tim and JD Vance would be entertaining?
  
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  September 13, 2024 1:14pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvskGlm40Vw
Forgetting Adam Bandt.
Albo and the ‘Greens’ aren’t on good terms at the moment.
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September 13, 2024 12:58pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m64QaEswTY8
We are here to listen and to support the forgotten New Zealanders who are still suffering today.
Tanya Unkovich passionately reminded New Zealand of the impacts of Labour’s erroneous Covid decision making and reinforced why New Zealand First fought so hard for Phase 2 of the Covid Inquiry: “We are here to listen and to support the forgotten New Zealanders who are still suffering today.”
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September 13, 2024 12:58pm
NothingLeft

AGI getting closer and closer. OPENAI’s latest model is surpassing most PhDs on general science questions and has elite level mathematical reasoning:
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2024/09/openai-o1-model-sets-new-math-and-complex-reasoning-records.html#more-197783
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September 13, 2024 2:21pm
MCōs

Cricket washed out completely!
This is the 8th washed out test without a ball bowled; a couple more than I indicated yesterday that date back to the 19th century. One was scheduled for three days and other four.
There’s been due to bomb threats and actual bombs!
Of all the twenty nine international cricket grounds that could have been used in India the game was allocated to that swamp, the thirtieth
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September 13, 2024 4:09pm
- kowtow
  
  Good.
  No one should engage with the misogynists.
  
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  September 13, 2024 4:52pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350415300/lighting-issues-divert-hong-kong-flight-back-auckland
Two in one week ! Not a good look, Air New Zealand.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/air-new-zealand-flight-to-singapore-returns-after-seven-hours-in-air-due-to-computer-issue/2RJLB4CN2JBL5E2EOA2P7KJEMA/

This will cost them big time, I suspect.
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September 13, 2024 4:40pm
- MCōs
  
  Better than two crashes in one week, cobber
  
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  September 13, 2024 5:05pm
  - greybeard
    
    Why did they not land at the nearest airport capable of taking them ?
    
    It reminds me of that English Channel swimmer who got to within one Km of the French coast and couldn’t make it so he turned back.
    
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    September 13, 2024 5:34pm
    - Ghost
      
      Because their maintenance crew aren’t at the closest airport. It won’t cost them anything, no one is going to care about a plane having an issue and landing safely,
      
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      September 13, 2024 6:57pm
Ghost

Well this is a good photo. I don’t think it should be hard to find someone with their face missing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-appeal-for-sightings-of-man-in-connection-with-homicide-of-dargaville-mum/AMIQGD7FCBGLNCVVM24VHVSFIM/
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September 13, 2024 5:06pm
- DimChappie
  
  Yes, they describe the guy then hide him behind a digital mask. WTF?
  
  “Police investigating the death of Joanna Sione-Lauaki are hoping these images will prompt witnesses to come forward about a man described as 190cm tall, in his late 30s, of Caucasian complexion with green eyes, a beard and sandy-coloured hair. Photo / NZ police
  They have pixellated the photo!
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/police-appeal-for-sightings-of-man-in-connection-with-homicide-of-dargaville-mum/
  
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  September 13, 2024 5:18pm
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, he looks like he is wearing a mask of the Tesla Cyber truck model.
  
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  September 13, 2024 5:34pm
Ghost

Whoops

American born woman eats a cat….

The arrest of a woman, captured on police bodycam, has been conflated into the false rumours about Haitian immigrants in Ohio abducting and eating pets that Donald Trump cited during the US Presidential debate.

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September 13, 2024 6:49pm
- Mike
  
  A cat lady?
  
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  September 13, 2024 7:14pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  So the lying Orwellian media find one non-Haitian cat abuser and they hold this up as proof Trump was “lying”???
  
  It’s pretty well established on many fronts that Haitian immigrants in Springfield have been taking local animals to eat.
  
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  September 13, 2024 11:25pm
  - Ghost
    
    But they haven’t been taking cats or dogs. The story of the cat has originated from this American woman who tortured and ate the cat. But hey, why should facts ever matter in this day an age when people can just invent a story and run with it even when the facts show it was a fake story. Now the people have shifted the story to omg they are eating birds.
    
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    September 13, 2024 11:35pm
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Putin thinks he is a modern-day Stalin.
Someone better get rid of him soon.
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  And why should someone get rid of him? Sometimes you are better with the devil you know, because what could take over from could be far worse
  
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  Many more afraid of who may follow Putin !
  
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