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NeverMindTheBollocks

Iconic bakery Pandoro closes its doors. Wellington City Council policies blamed.

“Our original bakery on Allen Street is absolutely flat because of the cycle lane and bus lanes coming off Cambridge Terrace,” he said.

Foot traffic had been killed off by construction work, cycle and bus lanes on Wakefield Street, on the corner of his Allen Street bakery, with the once-busy street now virtually empty.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350405973/pandoro-wellington-close-after-28-years-serving-customers-capital
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September 7, 2024 8:02am
- Colinxy
  
  Leftists prefer big business, and hate small and medium sized businesses. This was blatant under the lockdowns where big businesses had their doors open whereas the rest were penalised like small grocers and butchers.
  
  The same goes for their petty regulations: to keep big businesses in power and to inhibit new businesses from competing.
  
  You could argue it’s in their self-interest, since unions only really flourish with big business. I personally think it’s their fascistic inclinations coming to the fore: where centralising business can only be achieved via being “big” – lots of small businesses are too hard to control under central planning of the State.
  
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  September 7, 2024 8:47am
  - PurplePen
    
    I think also is that because there are no leftists in govt or almost none that have ever run nor been involved in a small business, they have no idea what’s involved nor any idea of the impact of their policy.
    
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    September 7, 2024 10:32am
    - Swifty
      
      I completely agree.
      
      And in the wake of more and more Wellington businesses, as but one example, closing in the last few days, can you just imagine the mess we’d be in if Labour got it’s chance to bring in the very deceitfully-named Fair Pay Legislation.
      
      Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of New Zealand workers whipped up into a lather by malignant union staff making reckless demands on employers and likely winning large pay increases much of which will be passed on to customers in the form of higher prices for goods and services – and at exactly the time when we’re trying to keep a lid on rocketing prices after the ‘cost of living crisis’ brought on by Labour.
      
      And don’t get me started on the chilling resultant effects in the form of layoffs and more business closures.
      
      We really dodged a huge bullet there.
      
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      September 7, 2024 12:14pm
- ecco
  
  Wellington will probably be used for university studies down the track on an unfortunate experiment on how not to cycleway a city and everything that can go wrong, thus killing a once vibrant city.
  
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  September 7, 2024 8:53am
  - sherp
    
    Yea NZ urban planners think we have the sorts of population density of large cities overseas… the Christchurch rebuild shows thid perfectly, its like those planning the roads think there is a urban population of a few millon people living in the city center.
    
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    September 7, 2024 9:07am
    - ecco
      
      Agreed sherp. Wellington cycleways would be a great idea if the city was flat with extra wide roads and a frequent and reliable public transport systems. Both of which Wellington does not have.
      You do see cycleways working well in the likes of Vienna where they have both of those attributes.
      
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      September 7, 2024 10:30am
    - PurplePen
      
      Even if we did have the population density, we don’t have the weather. People in Wgtn often say when it’s a fine day “you can’t beat Wgtn on a good day!”. This is because we’ve had so many days of wind and shitty weather, when a fine day finally arrives it has that extra je ne sais quoi. It’s the same reason a Saturday morning feels great .. because the 5 mornings preceding you’ve had to get up for work.
      
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      September 7, 2024 10:36am
  - imalwaysright
    
    NZ is becoming the world leader in “train wrecks”.
    
    We predict them, we watch them happen, and then we forensically analyse them and apportion the blame.
    
    Then we move to the next one.
    
    We are in grave danger of running out of “trains”.
    
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    September 7, 2024 9:26am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Wellington voted for lefties and Greenies. Let them have it. These lunatics will wreck the city and turn it into a ghost town.
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:54am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    The STV system has a lot to answer for.
    
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    September 7, 2024 11:23am
    - pdm
      
      sr – I think it is better than MMP.
      
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      September 7, 2024 12:14pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      What utter nonsense. As you well know, STV merely ensures the voters get what they vote for.
      
      What you’re saying is that you want a system that gives you and people like you what you want, even if support for what you want is less than the support for what you don’t want.
      
      In other words, you are not a democrat.
      
      As I have said many times before, if the Right want change, they have to organise, and vote! Rather than repeatedly bleat on about STV, why don’t you try doing that — getting organised?!
      
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      September 7, 2024 12:19pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I agree that normies need to organise. They are up against an army of super organised wreckers and haters.
        
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        September 7, 2024 5:50pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        if the Right want change, they have to organise, and vote! Rather than repeatedly bleat on
        
        I often wonder why they don’t …… if there enough people who dislike the left-leaning MSM why doesn’t someone fund and organise some right-leaning stuff outside of KB & BBH? I mean “genuine” news sites where there are paid foot soldiers who do the gathering work and cartoonists who do pro-Nat items etc ….
        
        It is easier just to do repetitive (sometimes abusive) whinges on KB. Why doesn’t some group get together and create a right-leaning Stuff equivalent?
        
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        September 7, 2024 9:10pm
      - Quail
        
        ST,
        And MMP causes governance by persons who have not been elected, just appointed by the bureaucracy and party elites.
        MMP has to be one of the worst most dangerous political systems anywhere in the world. See Germanys results in the 1930s
        
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        September 7, 2024 9:14pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t think that Wellington can be saved.
  
  Pandora sold excellent but expensive products. Very easy to stop when times are tough.
  
  Same with coffee in Wellington. Pre covid coffee was about $4.50. Now $6.50. Again, easy to give up.
  
  Another example is Wishbone. Sold vastly over priced average sandwiches. Gone.
  
  No serious public servant would venture into the office to work more than about two days per week. Government offices are still crowded, noisy, with folk shouting at each other and wasting their lives in “meetings” of working groups with Maori names. In meeting rooms with Maori names.
  
  I’m serious. If your work is listening to people drone, sure go to the office. However, if you need to think, to solve problems, to analyse data, you cannot accomplish that in any government office that I have seen.
  
  While it may seem counter intuitive to those who have never been exposed to this nonsense, it is ONLY possible to do serious work at home.
  
  Of course this could easily be fixed with a few changes. Get rid of another 8,000 public servants. To those who are left…. . Unless you are in a meeting room, STFU and do some work.
  
  No none of this is hyperbolic. Totally serious.
  
  IF those changes were made, maybe Wellington offices would have serious people in them. Who spend some money.
  
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  September 7, 2024 1:50pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I guess when lefty airheads wreck a city there is a small silver lining in that inner city rentals will be cheaper?
    
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    September 7, 2024 5:49pm
Ghost

The real threat to America’s future isn’t coming from Moscow—it’s coming from Washington, D.C.

In a bombshell video released by Louder with Crowder’s MugClub Undercover unit, new footage reveals an explosive admission from a senior Justice Department official, suggesting that the ongoing legal battles faced by former President Donald Trump are part of a politically motivated campaign orchestrated by the Deep State.

Article

Louder with Crowder
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September 7, 2024 8:02am
- Philview
  
  There was a book a few years ago I think called The Shadow Party that detailed meetings with billionaires affiliated to the Democrats to put power structures in place to assist their election plans.
  
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  September 7, 2024 8:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Louder with Crowder – last paragraph”
  “Americans will not vote for a criminal. The Democrat machine, the Swamp, and bad actors have falsely made Trump out to be a criminal.”
  Really? Americans have been voting for the criminal Democrats for decades! What they are doing to Trump is criminal. I say most cases will be overturned and a few bad people sued.
  
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  September 7, 2024 8:25am
- Gravelroad
  
  At the risk of sounding like a broken record- but for the left wingers, the ends justify the means – always.
  Hate, fear and loathe Trump?
  Get rid of him by any means possible – even if they might not be quite legal………
  
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  September 7, 2024 8:26am
  - kevn
    
    Gravel… Just confirms he is ‘over the target’ as they say.
    
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    September 7, 2024 8:43am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      He is a mortal threat to the loony-left agenda of the last 50 or so years. Not just a mealy mouthed fence sitter.
      
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      September 7, 2024 5:55pm
  - sherp
    
    All I need to know about lefty voters is that if a politician or political party on the right pulled the sort of crap that’s been used against Trump they would loose all support…. but leftist seem to encourage such crap from their leaders
    
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    September 7, 2024 9:00am
  - Its only I
    
    Thankfully this BS came out in time to distract from the Russian MAGA influencer scandal.
    Perfect timing. BS but perfect timing.
    
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    September 7, 2024 11:17am
- Sacha
  
  Go on! Really? Like, you didn’t know that already?
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:56am
Yvette

Kiingitanga have a new leader and all eyes are now on how Kuini Nga Wai Hono i Te Po will continue her father’s call for Māori to unite against government policies.
Earlier this year iwi turned out in force at Tūrangawaewae in response to a rare royal proclamation from King Tuheitia to come together.
It followed nationwide protests against the new coalition’s moves to end co-governance policy and reinterpret the Treaty principles.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/527202/new-maori-kuini-takes-on-mantle-of-her-father-s-call-for-unity-and-progress

• Does Kuini Nga Wai Hono i Te Po agree with the statement her father, Māori King Tūheitia, made earlier this year – “There’s no Principles; the Treaty is written. That’s it.”

• As her father at the same time called for the Treaty to actually be written into New Zealand legislation, what would be both the definitive acceptable written Maori text and the verbatim translation of that exact version in English?

• And, if Kuini Nga Wai Hono i Te Po is to continue her father’s call for Māori to unite against government policies, should she not make a clear statement on the ‘principles’ (or that there are none) and a definitive text of the Treaty so the entire nation can see where any proposed legislation deviates from those?
Was that not the reason her father called for the Treaty to be legally enshrined in some way?

Will any New Zealand journalist ask Kuini Nga Wai Hono i Te Po these simple questions?
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September 7, 2024 8:19am
- Clyde
  
  No, because the MSM’s agenda and ideology aligns with the hard left, racist BS pursued by the Liemore Pardy, the Watermelons and the odious other lot under the cowboy hats. Anything that this “Queenie” utters now will be taken up by the MSM and put forward as the wishes of “royalty”. Believe me, there are more inherent divisions amongst the tribes than you could shake a stick at, but they will be wall-papered over in pursuit of the ideology of getting rid of the will of the majority of New Zealanders.
  
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  September 7, 2024 9:59am
- Jethrod
  
  10 days ago the kuiini was just a person who was, basically, a nobody.
  Now promotion has come through the “elites” and others, so now She has a voice. Ideas have come from the elites, the most leftist university in NZ and contemporaries, who are all the most radical lot NZ has ever seen.
  I don’t denigrate the woman, good on her for striving and achieving what she wants.
  However with such a radical time at present, to listen to someone with no whole-of -life experience would not be wise.
  Let her have her say, but she is listening to people such as someone whose first pair of underpants was $89
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:18am
  - Media hater
    
    I doubt if Tuku’s FIRST pair of underpants were $89.
    
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    September 7, 2024 10:53am
- Damocles11
  
  Why does the agenda have to be ‘coming together against the government’? Why can’t they ‘come together’ to achieve positive change for their own people?
  This group of people seem more interested on confrontation, fighting, anger, and inflammatory rhetoric than they do in coming together to solve their problems. Shouldn’t they focus on the child murder, criminal offending, smoking and alcohol abuse, unemployment, and other ills that are plaguing them? They’ll be healthier, happier, wealthier, and they’ll live longer if they do. Or are they just more interested in ‘fighting’?
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:34am
  - Albie
    
    Similarities with the Palestinian’s in Gaza. They have been given billions of dollars in foreign aid over the years. They could have built a prosperous attractive coastal country. All they did was make Hamas leaders rich and dig a bunch of tunnels.
    
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    September 7, 2024 2:10pm
    - Colville
      
      Don’t forget the missiles. Lots and lots of missiles!
      
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      September 7, 2024 3:06pm
- pdm
  
  Yvette I think it would be better if she had the thoughts and traits of her Grandmother Dame Te Atairangikaahu rather than those of her father who seemed to allow people like Tuku Morgan to dominate and supposedly speak for him.
  
  I do agree with his No principles statement you include though.
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:48am
- Paulus
  
  I am unconvinced that the new Kuini is old enough or mature enough, to think for herself, as in reality a recent University graduate for an MA at, of course, Waikato so called University, in Maori studies, or will she be a women’s puppet to be used by some leading activists.
  
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  September 7, 2024 11:15am
  - Yvette
    
    Paulus
    Earlier, in 2022, she [Kuini Nga wai hono i te po Paki] had met King Charles in London, on her father’s behalf. She told Aukaha/Re:news then: “My heart was heavy when I arrived because I saw how vast and abundant the land is here. So why did they have to come to Aotearoa? To steal our land, to murder our ancestors and grandchildren, to confiscate our resources, and for what reason?”
    https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/06/kuini-nga-wai-hono-i-te-po-the-face-of-renewal/
    
    Two years ago she may have a narrative already written into her thinking.
    
    She said her ancestor, Māori king Taawhiao, came to Britain to protest the confiscation of Māori land – and that remains a driving force. “It was also about holding the Crown accountable to their promises under Te Tīriti o Waitangi,” she said. “As I am following the footsteps of my ancestors, I feel angry, but it’s only right that I feel angry. I believe I should feel angry.”
    
    The new Māori queen offers the promises of “a new dawn”, iwi leaders say.
    
    It will be interesting (if not pivotal, to a certain extent) as to whether the “new dawn” is ‘tomorrow’ – or is stuck in 1840
    
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    September 7, 2024 12:00pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      “My heart was heavy when I arrived because I saw how vast and abundant the land is here. ”
      
      Sounds like she sailed up the Thames in a clipper!
      
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      September 7, 2024 12:31pm
      - Dave
        
        Also sounds like she is seriously ignorant.
        
        UK population density: 279 people per sq. km.
        NZ population density: 20 people per sq. km.
        
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        September 7, 2024 1:22pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The cessation of conquest as being acceptable is a recent thing.
      
      Maori tribes viciously conquered and killed each other.
      
      The United States annexed two-thirds of Mexico and killed anyone in the way.
      
      TBH Maori got the best conceivable deal of any people colonised in the 19th Century. By far.
      
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      September 7, 2024 1:35pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Correct. There were probably many groups of the time who would have gladly signed the same treaty. There are probably many today who still would .
        
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        September 7, 2024 2:55pm
- AitchW
  
  How many Maori fall within her Kingitanga movement? I’ve never seen a definitive and credible number.
  Is it anyone who whakapapas to Tainui?
  Is it anyone who lives in the Waikato/King Country? Does she have any real authority or is she purely a figurehead?
  
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  September 7, 2024 2:40pm
  - Jethrod
    
    That is a very good question you pose!
    
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    September 7, 2024 3:30pm
artemisia

A complaint has been made to the Independent Police Conduct Authority about police response to a person walking in the middle of the road in the dark.

Raglan dog-walker death: Driver’s aunty blames police for delayed response before fatal crash Herald yesterday.

Driver’s aunty?

Police said they received reports including that the person was no longer in the middle of the road.

Gotta blame someone these days, right? Sounds like blame should indeed be laid. Rather obvious where.
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September 7, 2024 8:34am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: Redneck Wizard
Plexiglass Wars and the upcoming jab mandate anniversary

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-redneck-wizard?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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September 7, 2024 8:39am
ecco

Interesting to read reports about long standing businesses closing in Wellington. I just thank my lucky stars as an ex Wellingtonian that we got out of the place a couple of years ago.

I read with interest in The Post today in the article on Pandoro closing down, councillor Tim Brown, former executive at Morrison and Co investment company, try to defend the council and say ‘it’s not the council’s fault’ what’s happening to businesses there. Wow champagne socialist, much, coming from this ex businessman!

Unfortunately it’s the perfect storm of working from home, government cut backs and most importantly an incompetent council (apart from 4 of them…) hell bent on cycle waying every main road strip in the town.

I was shocked when I went down on my last visit as to the extent of the cycleways. Totally cluttering up formerly well functioning traffic ways. The whole town is clogged now. There was a permanent traffic jam going up Tory St which there never used to be.

I just compare that to Auckland where the only cycleway that’s munted the local businesses is the one going down K road.

I’m grateful for the work Wayne Brown has done in Auckland as he has quietly gone about trying to repair the city. Not enough is made of the 7% akl rates rise vs other towns facing 15-20% rises. The nz msm conveniently choose not to highlight Wayne Browns efforts in keeping akl rates down in their reporting.

Anyway I’ve come to the conclusion that Wellington is not the great little town it was when I was growing up. All the big business that were sustaining the place have long left and the only game in town is the government. And as we know the coalition have no choice but to cut jobs there and stop the subsidising of Wellington’s lifestyle on the taxpayer coin.

Will be interesting to see if the left leaning council gets removed at the next local body elections. I doubt it. Unfortunately Wellington is probably too far gone to be saved even if they do eventually get some dynamic right leaning mayor and council.
Rant over.
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September 7, 2024 8:44am
- sherp
  
  Just be thankful NZ has a national police force… look to previously great cities like Seattle to see what happens when leftist visions of utopia are applied to law enforcement.
  
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  September 7, 2024 9:12am
  - kowtow
    
    We don’t have to look to Seattle , here in NZ no lesser person than the commissioner himself justified illegal roadblocks in a perversion of the Peel Principles .He also took himself off to a BLM vigil .
    
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    September 7, 2024 9:32am
    - sherp
      
      Now think abhow much worse it would be if tori qas incharge of policing in wellington
      
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      September 7, 2024 10:06am
    - imalwaysright
      
      “He also took himself off to a BLM vigil”
      …And wouldn’t wear his uniform.
      
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      September 7, 2024 10:24am
  - PurplePen
    
    Good lord, I hadn’t thought of that. thank god we don’t have local.
    
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    September 7, 2024 10:57am
- PurplePen
  
  The Pandoro owners mentioned the job cuts were in part a reason. I expect it’s everything else but. The reason being the job cuts are only around 6% of a 60,000 central govt workforce.
  
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  September 7, 2024 11:00am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Have the job cuts happened immediately, or are they still working through many of those? Did the come in from July1? What ever, you close a business not on what has just happened, it usually is a group of problems, but cafes and restaurants are wealthiest with great foot traffic, take cars off the road then foot traffic dissipates
    
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    September 7, 2024 11:56am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I was there almost a month ago – my old uni town that I loved. Apart from stunning weather, the CBD was as dead as a dodo and stuff in stores soooooooo expensive. I’m not sure how those businesses survive. Was verbally abused by heavily face tattooed guy on meth (I suspect) broad daylight Willis street – not going back anytime soon 😢😨
  
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  September 7, 2024 1:17pm
  - rouppe
    
    I live in Porirua.
    
    The only time I’ve been into wellington city this year is to drop off or pick someone up from the airport.
    
    As someone who had lived in the region since 1985 it holds no attraction for me anymore.
    
    It’s been ruined by 25 years of left wing council. Not just councilors, but council staff
    
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    September 7, 2024 1:43pm
Cassandra

James Johnson is a UK pollster. He says that the polls showing Harris ahead of Trump are flawed. Their system is biased towards the Dem supporters who are more likely to respond. His system, which compensates for this bias (don’t ask me how) gives Trump a 2% lead where it counts. It’s a paywalled article in The Telegraph so no point in a link. While voting starts soon, my recommendation is “Don’t write Trump off – this going to be close”.
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September 7, 2024 8:52am
- kowtow
  
  The latest from Nate Silver . Very interesting. It’s very close , perhaps much closer than the average pollster . And of course as the Democrat Machine knows full well it’s how one gets the ballots in the box and counted in the final poll that matters.
  
  https://www.natesilver.net/p/the-electoral-college-bias-has-returned
  
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  September 7, 2024 9:04am
- MCōs
  
  Reading the news this morning Mr Trump has an additional incentive to win the election with the prospect of prison beckoning if he loses or maybe just a slap on the wrist
  Who knows, but martyrdom is just going to have to wait, I suppose
  
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  September 7, 2024 9:09am
  - NothingLeft
    
    All the lawfare is most likely to be overturned on appeal.
    
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    September 7, 2024 2:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It won’t be close, it will be a Trump landslide.
  The same propaganda was used in 2015/16 with Hillary. She could not even win a rigged Election.
  Landslide.
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:03am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He is correct, they had polls on the difference between Harris and Biden. She is trailing Biden in every sector, there were 8 sectors, Young, old, women, black, Latino and a few others, if that’s the case, then how the hell has she out polled Biden by so much? I note fresh polls has Trump slowly regaining the lead in swing states, he still lead in 2 clearly, two have him now one point ahead including Michagian
  
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  September 7, 2024 12:02pm
- NothingLeft
  
  For those interested in in-depth on US polling (and all the bias issues at play in current hyper-partisan polling industry), this is commentary from right-aligned but very open Rassmussen:
  https://youtu.be/cKt1NxEQU78
  
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  September 7, 2024 2:53pm
MCōs

FBI talks to 13yo boy about threats to shoot up school
Father buys son AK whatever
Boy, by now 14yo, shoots up school
https://x.com/nick_anderson_/status/1831517760200782118?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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September 7, 2024 8:59am
- Ghost
  
  I just saw he was bullied. I wondered if he had been when the story broke
  
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  September 7, 2024 9:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Being bullied is no excuse to start shooting.
    I would say the same reason as many other shootings – mental health.
    Doped up to the eyeballs on anti-whatever drugs, then self medicating on top.
    We will see.
    
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    September 7, 2024 12:31pm
    - Ghost
      
      You get pushed enough you break. Despite what the USA media like to portray these aren’t evil kids, or monsters, they are damaged. Bullying so bad he didn’t want to go to school. Either going to end one way, suicide or school shooting,
      
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      September 7, 2024 2:59pm
- Flossie
  
  Bullied or not nobody in their right mind buys a 14 year old one of those guns!
  
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  September 7, 2024 1:07pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It’s extremely common for rural people to train their kids to use guns safely. For hunting meat, culling pest numbers and euthanising animals with untreatable injuries.
    
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    September 7, 2024 6:04pm
Jack5

The Left v. Right struggle for control of the Murdoch news empire is illustrated by Rupert Murdoch’s son, James, endorsing Kamala Harris for President.

This came days before a court battle begins in Nevada, in which conservative son Lachlan seeks to remain in charge of the Murdoch Family Trust.

James Murdoch was chief executive of 21st Century Fox, before being replaced by Lachlan as head of the Murdoch empire.

The beneficiaries of the trust are Rupert Murdoch’s four eldest children: Prudence, Elisabeth, Lachlan, and James. The four have equal voting rights to select the head of Fox News in the absence of Rupert, 93, who wants to alter the trust so that Lachlan remains in control after Rupert’s death.
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September 7, 2024 9:01am
Bridgenag

“Pact for the Future” – The Socialist Manifesto
The world’s left has developed the “Project 2025 for Socialists” to remake the world under one global socialist government

“This truly is “The Great Reset” – it is the socialist, globalized version of the new world order. Not a conspiracy theory.
This is our new reality.
Read and be afraid. Very afraid.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/pact-for-the-future-the-socialist?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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September 7, 2024 9:07am
- PurplePen
  
  Skim read it. I get the general idea. But way too much loosely defined commitment and too much sovereignty given up. Plus it’s full of all the woke issues that are killing freedom of thought in our university’s and central and local govt.
  
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  September 7, 2024 11:19am
- Grunter
  
  It’s important to realise that this ‘Pact for the future’ is written by the UN and gets voted on by all UN members (including NZ) in a few weeks.
  
  So it’s not just some random whacko, or even the WEF – it’s the UN seeking to bind all countries to this crap. Dismiss it as “it won’t happen here….” Yeah right! Look what Ardern did with UNDRIP and how destructive that has been.
  
  This new ‘Pact’ or UN Treaty will sign us up to deep seated socialism. As the pact says “we agree to leave no one behind” yup, yip, that’s right, that’s what we signed up for….
  
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  September 7, 2024 12:47pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Just back from getting haircut and heard the most extraordinary thing re resets, global fucked-up-ness, woke pandering at schools. Some Auckland secondary schools are now having to provide students who identify as furries litter trays at school -I am not kidding!!! Imagine Tim O’connor doing that at grammar lolz
  
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  September 7, 2024 1:23pm
kowtow

Says an awful lot about the media going on constantly about some useless Australian breakdancer ( how is that an Oly event) but when it comes to the daily “real life ” experience of some of these athletes , not so much.

Rebecca Cheptegei.
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September 7, 2024 9:08am
- Sacha
  
  The thing about the breakdancer is that she had no discernible talent whatsoever. I have to admit I just saw 30 seconds on YouTube and my reaction was that I hoped that she paid her own way to get there –
  
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  September 7, 2024 11:03am
  - Ghost
    
    Dear God
    
    Someone has put her qualifying dance on YouTube. Someone call a paramedic, I think she is having a fit
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPkO4INN-Gk
    
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    September 7, 2024 11:21am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Each to their own I guess but this stuff does seem to be enjoyed by the same people who go gaga over Eurovision (here in Melbourne, it’s lefty posers who think they are being oh so “quirky”).
      
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      September 7, 2024 6:07pm
  - rouppe
    
    She was scored 0 points more than once.
    
    It’s not an interpretation problem, it’s her that’s the problem
    
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    September 7, 2024 8:18pm
Ghost

Awful thing for parents to go through.

A Christchurch baby’s death is no longer suspicious after the child was found unresponsive on Wednesday afternoon.

Emergency services were called to a social housing complex on Barrington Street about 2.35pm on Wednesday to reports a nine-month-old was unresponsive.

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September 7, 2024 9:09am
Matt Long

In a surprise move Hunter Biden is pleading guilty to some of his crimes.
There’s speculation he’s getting in early so that Pres Biden can issue pardons before handing over to Kamala Harris before the election to give her a diversity hire bump in the polls.
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September 7, 2024 9:12am
- Ghost
  
  Biden won’t pardon him, Kamala will
  
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  September 7, 2024 9:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If Kamala should win she is not POTUS until Jan 20th 2025.
    We know the Bidens are as crooked as a dog’s hind leg. Joe will pardon Hunter.
    Hunter is the smartest man he knows.
    
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    September 7, 2024 10:07am
    - Ghost
      
      “I’m extremely proud of my son Hunter. He has overcome an addiction, he’s one of the brightest, most decent men I know,” Biden said during a news conference on the margins of the G7 summit.
      
      “I am satisfied that I’m not going to do anything — I said I’d abide by the jury decision. I will do that. And I will not pardon him,” he added.
      
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      September 7, 2024 10:15am
      - Manu-Rau
        
        You appear to assume that Joe Biden is honorable and honest. Meh……
        
        My money is on either Crooked Karamel pardoning Hunter if she is elected (almost certainly having agreed to do so as part of the deal to get Biden to stand aside), or Joe pardoning Hunter if Trump wins.
        
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        September 7, 2024 10:29am
      - marcw
        
        Totally different crime and conviction.
        
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        September 7, 2024 10:44am
      - Ghost
        
        And it’s still no
        
        “It’s no, it’s still no,” White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters Thursday when they questioned whether the plea had impacted Biden’s decision on whether he would consider a pardon for his son. “I’m not able to comment on it, but I can say that it is still very much a ‘no’ to the questions I have gotten about if the president is going to pardon [Hunter].”
        
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        September 7, 2024 10:47am
      - sherp
        
        Joe said he wouldn’t pardon hunter when he was still apparently running for president.. he needed to say that to hafe any chance of reelection… now he’s gone he’s got nothing to loose just like when Clinton pardoned terrorist
        
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        September 7, 2024 11:21am
      - Taieri
        
        he’s one of the brightest, most decent men I know
        ————-
        
        “Most decent men” in need of a presidential pardon?
        A very strange definition of decency, to say the least…
        
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        September 7, 2024 11:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Manu-Rau,
        
        I wonder if Kamala pardoning Hunter is part of the deal of Joe stepping aside?
        Remember, the Bidens are corrupt as they come. That would be a Biden trick – dump the pardon on Kamala and then she carries the can.
        
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        September 7, 2024 2:41pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I wonder if Corn Pop is still alive?
      That would be a great interview.
      
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      September 7, 2024 12:51pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hardly a surprise, they have probably offered him no prison time
  
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  September 7, 2024 12:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The debate. Next Wednesday 11th at 1pm on TV1. What’s the bet there will be intermittent breaks to allow for ads? (and censorship?)
Some are asking Trump to be nice. Why? The Dems are not nice. I think we will see a nasty side of Kamala Harris. She is not a nice person when there are no cameras or mics. NZ had someone like that.
The other thing is Kamala may get a positive RAT test, with no time left to reschedule before Nov 5th.

https://patriotpowerednetwork.com/trump-vs-harris-debate-approaches-amid-controversy-over-gender-dynamics/?
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September 7, 2024 9:13am
- PurplePen
  
  Thanks. Put it in my diary and made sure there’s popcorn in the cupboard.
  
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  September 7, 2024 11:23am
- Jethrod
  
  There is an absolutely brilliant song on tictoc about Kamala, to the music of The Doors…… “Come on light my fire”
  Don’t know the address
  
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  September 7, 2024 11:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are a master falsifier, LOL!
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufG0WC2Osuo
    
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    September 7, 2024 2:54pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is brilliant. 3.19 is great.
      Apologies to Jim Morrison of course.
      
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      September 7, 2024 3:01pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Excellent 😂
        
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        September 7, 2024 6:14pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I hope Trump turns to questioning her, and her woeful history, she has absolutely no idea how to think on her feet
  
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  September 7, 2024 12:06pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    Is this how great Trump is at thinking on his feet?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbVinpyscTU
    
    I’ve never heard such incomprehensible dribble LOL
    
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    September 7, 2024 2:02pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      A major blow to Kamal’s Kampaign – this will cause the Democrats palpitations. A very senior California Democrat changes allegiance to the Republicans & throws her weight behind Trump.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcygZQ6aIEs
      
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      September 7, 2024 2:37pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You mena the ramling question of course?
      
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      September 7, 2024 3:05pm
Jack5

Begorrah!

A textbook intended to foster multiculturism in Irish school children aged 14 and 15 has been withdrawn.

It’s been taken back by the publisher after an outcry because it contrasted an “all-Irish” family with and Irish family that is part-Rumanian and part-Dutch.

The traditional family is described as eating “potatoes, bacon and cabbage every day;” opposes change; and the children are told off if they mix with people of a different religion. Its two children are shown Irish dancing. All their relatives are Irish, and they are banned from playing “foreign games” or watching films made outside Ireland.

The Telegraph says the family is compared unfavourable with a mixed-race family, which is depicted outside Rome’s coliseum. That family eats curry, pizza, and Asian food, travels, visits art galleries, house-swaps with families in different countries and has relatives in London and Australia.

The publisher, apologising and withdrawing the book, said the textbook used “exaggeration and hyperbole” to help pupils understand Irish equality legislation and “importance of diversity in our lives”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2024/09/05/calls-for-curriculum-review-after-publisher-pulls-text-on-irish-family-stereotype/
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September 7, 2024 9:24am
- MCōs
  
  When I was a kid our family was hardline catholic due to our Irish heritage, particularly my grandfather whose father was Irish.
  We ate potatoes everyday and a lot of cabbage! We weren’t supposed to mix with non-Catholics and certainly wouldn’t be seen dead in an Anglican Church. Curiously Mum was English and Anglican! Didn’t even try to square that circle.
  
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  September 7, 2024 9:43am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘When I was a kid our family was hardline catholic due to our Irish heritage’
    
    I’d suggest it wasn’t due to your heritage , it was a choice.
    
    Oddly enough an awful lot of emigrants from the very many and diverse backgrounds of the Home Islands left to get away from that shite , not perpetuate it.
    
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    September 7, 2024 9:55am
    - Sacha
      
      And here in NZ my Presbyterian parents were highly disturbed when I started going out with a Catholic boy. As were his.
      Teenagers – we grew out of it, much to every-ones relief .
      
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      September 7, 2024 11:09am
      - Jethrod
        
        And now been married for 20 years?
        
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        September 7, 2024 11:45am
      - kowtow
        
        sherp
        
        People talk of how evil the west was , back in the day , to non westerners or how the climate now is so terrible and there’s so many casualties……..
        
        Upto and perhaps 2000 Spaniards made it to shore in Ireland and were executed by the authorities , very very few made it to London to be ransomed .
        
        And thousands more died in the storms there that wrecked so many of their ships.
        
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        September 7, 2024 3:09pm
    - MCōs
      
      My great grandfather left Ireland to get away from the devastation caused by the potato famines and the attendant cruelty of the absentee landowners
      They took their culture with them
      As part of our early education I distinctly remember Irish priests telling us how evil the Orange men were.
      However NZ is a long way from Ireland and the animosity faded away.
      
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      September 7, 2024 11:16am
      - sherp
        
        My Irish catholic family has a horrific story about how a a boat from the spanish armada washed up near where they farmed… the spanish came to their fellow catholics, my family, looking for refuge… but instead got fed to the pigs as if their protestant landlords found them harboring spanish catholics they would have all been killed or locked up..
        I have no idea if this is true at all or just something made up and embellished over generations but still a good story.
        
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        September 7, 2024 11:26am
      - MCōs
        
        *devastation* that should have been back there
        
        [Mod – fixed]
        
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        September 7, 2024 12:19pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Never acted on my choice. Myself and siblings were never christened.
      That does not make us satanic. I live by my own set of moral standards, not standards that any religion forces upon me.
      Yes, I am a heathen!
      
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      September 7, 2024 3:12pm
  - mogg
    
    Your grandfather does not sound typically Irish.
    Both of my parents were Irish Catholics.
    My father in common with most of his fellow countrymen had big gardens growing all types of veg, not just ‘cabbage’. Irish women were also very good cooks learning their skills at home from a very early age, I often wish now that I had taken more notice of how my mother had made her sauces in the kitchen. As for the religious bigotry it was there but from my experience very unusual.
    
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    September 7, 2024 11:36am
    - MCōs
      
      My grandfather wasn’t Irish. His father was. He had a big vegetable garden as did my Dad, but their real passion was salmon fishing out at the Rangitata
      Dad met Mum in England after the war and he told her how marvelous the river was.
      Mum’s idea of marvelous rivers was based on the serene English variety with grassy banks and weeping willows so she was hugely disappointed at a river only an angler could love.
      
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      September 7, 2024 12:37pm
- kowtow
  
  Oh well it makes a change from blaming everything on the evil Brits and the potato famine caused by Queen Victoria.
  
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  September 7, 2024 9:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The son-out-law is Irish and has spuds with every dinner…
  Both he and my daughter are chefs..and they usually organise the Xmas dinner.
  A couple of years back his parents came to stay with them for Xmas at a holiday home in a remote seaside spot . They’d brought all the food they’d need with them for Xmas dinner.
  On Xmas-Eve, The mum insisted son take her into local town so she could do some last-minute shopping…..
  On Xmas morning my daughter got up to begin preparation for Xmas lunch, only to discover her Irish mother-in-law had already peeled about 4kg of spuds she purchased the day before and they were gently boiling away on the stove.
  
  Bugger the fine-dining Xmas dinner experience her son was offering up… she’d have her mashed spuds!!
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:43am
  - pdm
    
    Reminds me of staying with my cousin and her husband in Dunblane, Scotland in 2004.
    
    We said we would cook New Zealand lamb chops for Sunday lunch. mrspdm got up and went to the kitchen to get a cup of tea at breakfast time to find the chops boiling on the stove. She was not happy but, we sucked it up.
    
    Then there was the time we cooked roast pumpkin on our first visit there in 1977. That went down like a cup of cold sick because you only fed pumpkin to cattle.
    
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    September 7, 2024 10:58am
    - Sacha
      
      Did they make yummy porridge? My Scottish granny made it without salt, and it was RANK! Even with cream and sugar.
      
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      September 7, 2024 11:12am
      - pdm
        
        sacha in 1977 we stayed in Glasgow with my Uncle an Aberdonian who had married my fathers sister who unfortunately died about 3 months before we got to Scotland.
        
        He mad porridge every morning and teased our 3 young daughters about having it with salt and no sugar,
        
        Our eldest who was nearly 7 at the time still remembers that.
        
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        September 7, 2024 12:19pm
    - MCōs
      
      Quite rightly so too
      
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      September 7, 2024 11:18am
    - PurplePen
      
      All too often, and this applies so much to us in NZ, we forget we as NZers have our own culture. It’s very much highlighted when you’re visiting a country overseas. Even Australia, it’s quite obvious. What we don’t do is celebrate our own culture the way that immigrants do. Maybe because we’re in our own country we don’t feel any need to and that’s possibly right and a good thing. What would not be right is to have our own culture here in NZ trodden on by trying to accommodate all aspects of others and where some aspects conflict with our own. It needs to be a two-way street.
      
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      September 7, 2024 11:28am
      - julesnzuk
        
        NZ culture is generic British. And yes, we should celebrate it more openly (starting by fostering the expectation that everyone speaks English correctly and getting rid of “Manglish”.
        
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        September 7, 2024 8:55pm
    - Swifty
      
      How can one not like roast pumpkin?
      
      Bloody beautiful stuff! That and/or roasted kumara is an essential element in any of my roasts and I’m a descendent of Scottish immigrants on both Mum and Dad’s sides.
      
      Bloody weirdos. 😃
      
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      September 7, 2024 11:52am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Roast pumpkin is always better when someone else makes it 😊
        
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        September 7, 2024 12:09pm
    - Dave
      
      Doctor Johnson proposed to define the word ‘oats’ thus: ‘A grain which in England is generally given to horses, but in Scotland supports the people.’ And I replied: ‘Aye, and that’s why England has such fine horses, and Scotland such fine people.’
      
      —James Boswell, The Life of Samuel Johnson, LL.D., ch. 14 (1791)
      
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      September 7, 2024 2:08pm
  - Taieri
    
    The son-out-law is Irish and has spuds with every dinner…
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    As far as I know none of my ancestors were Irish. But I like spuds and have them with (almost) every dinner. Don’t like them mashed though…
    
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    September 7, 2024 11:38am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      TAITERS
      
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      September 7, 2024 12:10pm
  - mogg
    
    ‘I come from County Kerry a land of eggs and bacon,
    If you think I’ll eat your fish and chips you’re very much mistaken’
    
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    September 7, 2024 12:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Que mala, quite fitting.
It’s going to backfire.

https://conservativeadvocacy.com/kamala-harris-mockingly-nicknamed-que-mala-reflecting-her-campaigns-struggles/?
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September 7, 2024 9:26am
- Manu-Rau
  
  I prefer Karamel as a name for her.
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Pocahontas
    
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    September 7, 2024 12:11pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nah, that’s Elizabeth Warren.
      Think she is 1/1024th American Indian.
      
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      September 7, 2024 3:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Queen Jill’s Secret Service in comparison with the useless ones Trump had at Butler.
She loves the feeling of power.

https://thepatriotexpress.com/therightwingclub/secret-service-brutalizes-the-peasants-to-keep-them-away-from-queen-jill-biden/?
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September 7, 2024 9:31am
- sherp
  
  Have you heard the musical peice that jill made the army compose for her… you can just tell they hated having that idiot demand they make her a song.
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:11am
- imalwaysright
  
  S.O
  
  Apparently Faucci has a Secret Service detail, as has Mike Pompeo.
  None for Kennedy, who is still a presidential candidate in 30 states.
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They have had threats to their lives. I thought they did give Kennedy security detail after Trump was shot at
    
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    September 7, 2024 12:13pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Took it away when he supported Trump.
      
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      September 7, 2024 3:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        C/- Kamala I think.
        
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        September 7, 2024 3:52pm
  - Ghost
    
    He has suspended his campaign, he is no longer actively campaigning, that is why he lost it. Fauci does not have secret service protection. He has US marshal protection due to threats against him. Mike Pompeo Has protection from the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security because of ongoing threats.
    
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    September 7, 2024 12:21pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Thanks
      
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      September 7, 2024 3:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump still fighting RINOs.
What beats me is their constituents still vote the RINOs in.

https://patriotpulse.net/all-hell-broke-loose-when-trump-found-out-these-republicans-are-rooting-for-him-to-lose/?
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September 7, 2024 9:35am
- MCōs
  
  The rinos are taking over the asylum
  
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  September 7, 2024 9:46am
Albie

“So this is a good test for environmental organisations. Do they oppose copper mining in NZ?”
An interesting question. How many green/enviromentalists oppose mining just here in NZ, but it’s OK to dig up Australia, Indonesia, The Congo etc?
How many oppose ALL mining, knowing full well that would be the end of civilisation?
A survey of these groups would make interesting reading.
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September 7, 2024 9:41am
- sherp
  
  We do the same with wood processing… we don’t like the nasty chemicals used so we can just export the process to china where the environmental damage is completely unregulated.
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:13am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A RINO will vote for Kamala Harris.
Why can’t the Republicans just railroad her?

https://feedsnorth.com/can-you-guess-which-rich-rino-just-backed-kamala-harris-video-proof/
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September 7, 2024 9:45am
Ghost

Boeing’s Starliner coming back home. Live broadcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_79y0yZs0dc
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September 7, 2024 9:53am
I remember when

“Iconic bakery Pandoro closes its doors.”
Once again Council officials have taken actions without seeming to have considered the consequences.
All over NZ councils have been acting in this way.
In Palmerston North roadworks are going to result in what is likely to be massive disruption for Bunnings.
The main exit/entry into their carpack area is going to be closed, for road maintenance, which will affect over 90% of the users.
The alternative entry/exit, onto a major heavy traffic route, appears certain to result in monumental traffic flow problems.
Perhaps I am misjudging them.
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September 7, 2024 10:14am
- Paulus
  
  The Mahuta Commissioners turned Tauranga into a Ghost Town, favourable to buses and Cycles only.
  No shops left, all gone to satellite areas, or many gone bust, where you can park for free.
  
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  September 7, 2024 11:25am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Judge delays Trump sentencing until after Election day.
In between the lines, Merchan will be waiting to see if Trump wins and whether Trump will sue his arse off. It is all straight out Election interference.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/judge-delays-trump-hush-money-sentencing-until-after-election-day/ar-AA1q879q
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September 7, 2024 10:19am
- imalwaysright
  
  Merchan wants to play it out as long as he can.
  He knows there are problems with the case and if he rules early he knows the Supreme Court will overrule him when Trump appeals, and there is a chance they could do it before the election.
  He’s holding a busted flush and everyone knows it.
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:41am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Harris is paying Merchan’s daughter to help with her election campaign. That’s fine though.
    
    Merchan’s conduct and legal decisions/conduct are so bad that he should be fired. See (lifelong Democrat) Alan Dershowitz etc for enumeration of all the serious wrongs in what Merchan has done.
    
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    September 7, 2024 2:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Think Trump. The only thing that beats 4 Aces is a Smith and Wesson.
    Not a Smith and Wesson but the attempt was very close.
    There are still cards up Trumps sleeve, and most pieces are still on the 3D Chess Board.
    
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    September 7, 2024 3:57pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I’m feeling like we’re on a riverboat on the Mississippi !
      
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      September 7, 2024 4:19pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Trump has experienced how scummy and low the dems can be. His M.O. is not to announce battlefield plans to the enemy. Hopefully this time he has them well and truly in check-mate.
      
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      September 7, 2024 6:35pm
RightNow

NZ Police harassing a family at their home while admitting no laws have been broken.
Shame!!!
https://x.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1831997990246191174
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September 7, 2024 10:20am
- Ghost
  
  The problem with these posts is we only get one side of the story. Police are asking to be shown where the guns are so it sounds like what he was posting involved guns. They’re trying to deliver a temporary suspension order on his gun license, so I’d say there is more to this story
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:37am
  - kowtow
    
    We can tell from the video itself that 4 armed cops have come to inspect an empty safe , don’t need a warrant and have said he hasn’t broken any laws .
    
    What more do we need to know!
    
    Other than if he hasn’t broken any laws then NZ citizens need to be very afraid , as it could well be the “process is the punsihment “.
    
    First they came for …….
    
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    September 7, 2024 12:37pm
    - Ghost
      
      What’s more to know? The full story. Simon did this not long ago with a person who deleted their x anccount and claimed innocence when the police turned up. A look at the google cache of his posts showed he was anything but innocent.
      
      Police don’t turn up, ask to look at your guns and issue a temporary suspension on of your license for posting cat meme’s….
      
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      September 7, 2024 6:13pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost: “A look at the google cache of his posts showed he was anything but innocent.”
        
        What was the crime in those posts? I’m not across this one.
        
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        September 7, 2024 6:38pm
      - Ghost
        
        https://x.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1821647308351795271
        
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        September 7, 2024 7:03pm
      - sirknz
        
        They do it when enough lefty types complain about you to the police for hurt feelings because you don’t want to bend the knee to their bullshit.
        
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        September 7, 2024 10:01pm
Pineapple Lumps

There are kiwibloggers who disparage others for being anti the mRNA medical treatment for COVID. I would like them to explain why they don’t have a problem with it being signed off by a secret committee and relentlessly marketed as safe and effective after Medsafe were unable to sign it off due to there being insufficient safety data.
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September 7, 2024 10:22am
- Ghost
  
  Me, I’d just like for a day without the Covid/vaccine crap.
  
  Both sides know where they stand, neither side is going to budge.
  
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  September 7, 2024 10:59am
  - I remember when
    
    Ghost:
    Perhaps both sides would like a more definitive answer than ‘knowing where they stand.’
    Was talking to a woman who has just been to England and she was wondering why their covid enquiry is done and dusted, while we are still waiting for ours.
    
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    September 7, 2024 11:14am
    - Ghost
      
      phase one of our inquiry has been under way for months. The public submissions for phase one ended in February.
      
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      September 7, 2024 11:24am
      - MCōs
        
        Last I heard it will be with Brooke van Velden in the next couple of months, but not released to the public for ages.
        https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/04/minister-to-sit-on-covid-royal-commission-report-for-months/
        
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        September 7, 2024 11:58am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That is what the southern states said about slavery. Falsehoods cannot go unchallenged.
    
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    September 7, 2024 11:15am
    - Ghost
      
      You are never going to convince people on this blog who are anti vax, they are never going to convince you.
      
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      September 7, 2024 11:27am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Bugger the anti vaxers. They had their choice, I didn’t want the shit either, but what’s the point whaling on? I took the bare minimum so I could still go to the pub.
        
        Work were going to make it compulsory, but did not follow through which was good.
        
        I simply can not understand anti valets showing hatred to anyone who took the original vax, they say shit like go and take your 10 vax. They hate it when I say I only ever took 2
        
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        September 7, 2024 12:21pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    If it is of no interest to you then pass it by, plenty of other threads here today for you.
    
    I’m interested in how people who rationally advocate for the treatment can rationalise this irregularity.
    
    I have put this question up on a number of occasions but as yet there have been none willing to respond.
    
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    September 7, 2024 11:57am
    - Ghost
      
      It doesn’t need to be every single day. It doesn’t need to have people try to push posts that have nothing to do with the vaccine into vaccine debates. Even clan realised it was time to move on and did.
      
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      September 7, 2024 12:05pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        You might like to control what we wish to debate but you don’t get to do that. If you aren’t interested in a thread then walk on by.
        
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        September 7, 2024 12:10pm
      - Ghost
        
        And you don’t get to dictate people getting sick and tired of this day after day debate
        
        Here, let me give you a run down for when you start it again tomorrow
        
        Benedict supports the vaccine he supports getting it, he believes the facts show it worked
        
        You don’t
        
        And that will be the same every single day, nothing is going to change it.
        
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        September 7, 2024 12:59pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        The original thread question remains unanswered unanswered. This is not a black and white debate – pro-vax v anti-vax.
        
        Are you happy that the body with authority to approve medicines could not approve the vivid treatment due to insufficient safety data?
        
        Are you happy that a secret committee approved it?
        
        Are you happy the MOH marketed the crap out of it as “safe and effective” despite the Medsafr finding that there was insufficient safety data?
        
        These are rational reasonable questions and are not asked to denigrate but rather to raise some issues that this blogger finds troubling.
        
        Why are other rational people not willing to answer these questions?
        
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        September 7, 2024 2:18pm
      - Ghost
        
        Honestly , I would expect like most who are over this constant need of some to keep going on about it, I couldn’t give a fuck.
        
        Your questions are best put in submission to the Covid inquiry, instead of going on about it day after day on a blog that holds no ability to change what took place.
        
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        September 7, 2024 2:43pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Ghost you should go and have a cup of tea. Your attitude that no one should bring up any topics on GD that they can’t do anything to change or that you personally don’t give a fuck about is just weird.
        
        When you come on the thread and refuse to answer simple questions then you are just trolling.
        
        Clearly you don’t want to engage on the issue, but no need to troll others who do.
        
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        September 7, 2024 4:01pm
      - Ghost
        
        No, try again, my attitude is it doesn’t need to be a constant day after day bleating on about this. There doesn’t need to be people constantly trying to bring it up in other topics or discussions. I don’t care about your questions, they are questions if you cared you would put towards the inquiry during submissions or to the politicians. Not to people on a blog who have no ability to change anything.
        
        Don’t like people disagreeing with the daily posting of the vax, etc, then complain to the mods.
        
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        September 7, 2024 4:20pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      And you might like to remember most people don’t want anti vax lies and bullshit rammed down our throats, I hate the vax, but am not anti vax per say, but am sick of being abused and spoken to with hatred even though I only ever took 2 vaxes at the beginning
      
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      September 7, 2024 12:24pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Well G, what antivax lies am I spreading?
        
        Where have I spoken in hatred to you?
        
        I’m still old fashioned enough to think that asking about another’s medical status is a breach of their privacy. It has only been in recent times people feel the need to share medical treatment status to show their moral superiority ie I am better than you because I took the vax or I am better than you
        because I did not take the vax.
        
        My personal stance is whether you took it or not we all should have refused to carry medical passports and not allowed the government to segregate us on that basis. If enough people had taken that stance the passport would have fallen over.
        
        Bars, restaurants etc would have quickly stopped asking for it if they saw paying customers walking away and refusing to provide it.
        
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        September 7, 2024 4:10pm
  - Greenheart
    
    I so agree with you.It would be great also if we were spated the hatred Trump supporters express towards his opponents. Does he not have any positive policies they can promote rather than hatred?
    
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    September 7, 2024 12:05pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well, I have heard his speeches in the last three huge meetings, no hatred accept pointing out failure, plenty of policy being announced, three just yesterday.
      
      Go listen to the dems convention, that right there was full of hatred and nasty smears from every single speaker, yet not one policy
      
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      September 7, 2024 12:27pm
- Bridgenag
  
  YES……….”If the COVID shots are so safe, then why have over 80% of NHS employees refused to take another booster?
  Former UK MP Andrew Bridgen just told me that over 80% of the NHS employees won’t take any more shots. I asked several AI models what this means.
  
  https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/if-the-covid-shots-are-so-safe-then?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
  
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  September 7, 2024 11:01am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    They are “safe and effective”, because the data shows that to be the case.
    
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    September 7, 2024 11:17am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      That wasn’t Medsafes findings Ben. You are rabbitting the Pfizer advertising slogan every time you claim it is “Safe and Effective”.
      
      Does it concern you that Medsafe couldn’t approve it as there was insufficient safety data?
      
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      September 7, 2024 12:03pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Effective as in having to have a ridiculous number of boosters (then still coping Covid and still spreading it)? Unlike say measles, tuberculosis or polio vaccines.
      
      Last ditch (possibly) better than nothing (for geriatrics and the gravely ill) prototype vaccines would probably be more accurate.
      
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      September 7, 2024 6:40pm
Chuck Bird

Great tennis. Draper vomited on the court but still fought on. I think Sinner will win the final.
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September 7, 2024 10:29am
I remember when

Health and Safety?
Yesterday while on a twenty km drive I passed two examples of excessive safety action.
In both cases, while travelling towards them, I saw flashing lights from over a kilometre away.
The first was a truck spraying the grass verge and accompanied by a second truck with flashing lights.
Both vehicles had attached warning lighting on their tailboards to direct overtaking vehicles.
On the second occasion it was a ‘Traffic Management’ truck, my day isn’t complete unless I see several of these, removing traffic cones and again followed by a ‘support’ truck.
Both with rear traffic indication lighting, arrow or 4 dots.
Why the need for two trucks?
Is it overkill?
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September 7, 2024 11:02am
- Paulus
  
  Without two vehicles the second crew will not get paid by ratepayers/taxpayers.
  
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  September 7, 2024 11:28am
- Ghost
  
  Weed sprayer, I appreciate the first vehicle so I can close my window. Road works, I don’t mind them having as many warnings as they want to let the moron drivers that ignore them know to slow down.
  
  Although I did see a strange one a month ago. Road cones on the side of the road, a traffic management truck with the driver asleep. All for a property building a fence
  
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  September 7, 2024 11:33am
  - MCōs
    
    I’m guessing here, but I’d say the regulations came about as a result of dangerous driving practices, maybe resulting in fatalities
    A lot of these measures aren’t necessarily there because of wonderful drivers such as ourselves, but to stop all those other fools killing people.
    
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    September 7, 2024 12:11pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Every time they leave a million cones and speed restriction signs with no roadworks happening just reinforces that one doesn’t need to slow down for road works.
    
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    September 7, 2024 2:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hear hear, what that person said.
      Today just between the Shore and Whangaparaoa there were 4 lots of road cones, 100M each side of nothing.
      Oh, Albany Highway road cones being removed at 12pm! But on the berm there are holes surrounded by fences. My bet is Sunday evening all of those road cones will be back, and two lanes down to one.
      This is how you create employment right?
      Um the road cones are stored in a warehouse overnight so they can breed.
      
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      September 7, 2024 4:13pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    IIRC A few years ago it was costing more than $1000 an hour for Auckland motorway berm mowing to pay for multiple safety trucks, cone teams + lawnmower.
    
    This is the reason that taxes are through the roof while we can’t afford to build or maintain infrastructure or build or maintain houses at reasonable cost and it is badly impacting standards of living and ability to pay for essentials like health services etc. Unhinged spare-no-expense safetyism has gone absolutely insane with costs vastly outstripping benefits on any rational assessment of benefits.
    
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    September 7, 2024 2:35pm
  - greybeard
    
    I live on the Kapiti Coast: last year, for many months, the use of the old State Highway One through Waikanae was restricted because the Kapiti Coast District Council decided to spend MILLIONS on a new cycleway/footpath over the Waikanae River. ( the fact that hardly anyone uses it goes without saying, but that is par for the course ).
    For months there was a truck parked on the northern side of the bridge, surrounded by cones and signs and lights , and it was occupied by some person who was either asleep or transfixed by his cellphone.
    He did nothing: he just sat in this bloody truck all day. For MONTHS.
    
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    September 7, 2024 7:05pm
Ghost

Sentencing delayed

Reminds me though, when is the name suppression of the nz political figure set to expire?

New York Judge Juan Merchan on Friday delayed Donald Trump’s sentencing in the Stormy Daniels case until weeks after the November elections, in just the latest dramatic turn for the former president.

The decision sets sentencing for November 26th, when Americans will have voted and the results of the election should be known. It had been scheduled for September 18th, which would have fallen just two months before Election Day.

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September 7, 2024 11:48am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You won’t want too know
  
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  September 7, 2024 12:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The result of Nov 5th is what Merchan is panicking about.
  I think he is now realising he has something bad on his shoe.
  Engoron is also clutching his pearls.
  
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  September 7, 2024 5:03pm
- MCōs
  
  Whoever wins the election won’t be president until sometime in January
  
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  September 7, 2024 8:58pm
MCōs

I saw an item on the news last night about a new Panda-Mart mega store in Chch selling cheap Chinese products of the sort that are currently swamping SEAsia.
Unlike SEAsia the stuff isn’t competing with domestic manufacturers, but it’s basically jumk that winds up in landfills
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3277522/southeast-asias-struggle-stay-afloat-amid-flood-cheap-chinese-imports
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September 7, 2024 1:44pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The European economy has been hollowed out by the Chinese behemoths who are subsidised by the State. Chines now produce 50%+ of ships, they are flooding the market with EV, no one can compete with the cheap clothing that is sent to the markets by Temu and the like.
  
  Here we will see the likes of the Warehouse, KMart etc overcome by the Temus, Shien etc of the world.
  
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  September 7, 2024 2:13pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Sure we should keep funding an undemocratic behemoth that wants to enslave us. Because quick bucks (for some clipping the ticket).
    
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    September 7, 2024 6:52pm
Swifty

A Queen gets bitchy about a Queen:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/culture/350407047/sir-ian-mckellen-claims-queen-elizabeth-was-quite-rude
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September 7, 2024 3:37pm
- Ghost
  
  Looks like an innocent question.
  
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  September 7, 2024 3:44pm
- AitchW
  
  To be honest he does sound quite precious!
  Perhaps he was miffed that Her Majesty wasn’t overwhelmed at being in the presence of Gandalf…
  
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  September 7, 2024 4:11pm
- Gravelroad
  
  There will always be bitter people who seek to belittle the famous to make themselves feel more positive about their own self-centnred existence.
  Queen Elizabeth and her husband spent decades doing the work that was expected of them.
  Sir Ian MacKellan did what exactly – apart from getting paid to act on a stage portraying someone else’s work?
  
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  September 7, 2024 4:48pm
  - Swifty
    
    I do quite like the bloke actually, and I thought he made a damn good Gandalf – but I don’t know what he’s trying to achieve here.
    
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    September 7, 2024 5:08pm
  - kowtow
    
    When these people have reached retirement age , you’d think they’d do that gracefully.
    
    No , they are desperate to stay noticed . He even fell off a stage recently , a stunt ? and now this disgraceful blast.
    
    But then he’s an activist , innit.
    
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    September 7, 2024 5:09pm
- David Garrett
  
  Swifty: And note how he waited until the old girl – Gawd bless her – was safely dead before being bitchy.
  
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  September 7, 2024 7:53pm
Swifty

According to these far-left extremists our current difficult trading conditions are solely and totally the fault of National:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ikEF5QjhE68

No mention that the economy tanked under Ardern and Hipkins and that what we’re experiencing now is just a continuation of that.

No siree.

These are not serious people.
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September 7, 2024 5:19pm
Scooter

The family of the 8 year old killed has filed a complaint over the police actions. Did the “alleged” killer actually live there, doesn’t sound like it and what checks were made, especially as he was reported as going onto people’s properties earlier that day. Doesn’t sound like they even spoke to the people at the home if they knew him, just dropped him off. With all the meth/mental issues these days you’d think the police would be more careful.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/hamilton-child-homicide-family-of-zahquiel-taipeti-files-ipca-complaint-against-police/
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September 7, 2024 5:58pm
- Ghost
  
  He was taken back to his verified home address
  
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  September 7, 2024 6:07pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/culture/350407047/sir-ian-mckellen-claims-queen-elizabeth-was-quite-rude
An old queen calls another old Queen “quite rude”.
Quite funny.
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September 7, 2024 6:34pm
- greybeard
  
  Sorry Swifty, I did not see your previous post.
  
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  September 7, 2024 6:49pm
  - Swifty
    
    No problemo. I’ve done it myself a few times.
    
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    September 7, 2024 7:11pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/home-property/350394740/six-questions-ask-when-youre-buying-house

Here are six more questions you should ask:

1. Are there any Kainga Ora houses within a 5-km radius of this property ?

2. Has this property been checked for methamphetamine contamination ?

3. Where is the nearest Mosque ?

4. Are those tyre marks on the road outside anything to do with the neighbourhood kids ?

5. Are you sure that the pit-bull terriers next door are harmless ?

6. That back lawn looks a little damp: are you sure that there is no flooding problem when it rains ?
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September 7, 2024 6:46pm
Jack5

TVNZ is notably Left wing, but its weekend news programmes are a Slough of Despond.

Tonight: grizzle, grizzle, grizzle … A call for more support (i.e. taxpayer money) for survivors of the Christchurch mosque massacres five and a half years ago. A call for taxpayer money for local body road signs. A call for two extra billions for Conservation Department to “save” threatened species. A call for NZ to take immigrants from Sudan and a call to take more from migrants from mosque survivor families.

Grizzles sprinkled with Labour MPs’ worried faces.

A rare positive spot came from Conservation Minister Tama Potaka.

If the All Blacks lose overnight, TVNZ will turn the country into the Land of the Long Black Cloud.
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- Prince
  
  It was extraordinary even for TVNZ. A church protest with Ginnie Anderson invited to speak, predicting massacres in schools, sports events etc unless the Govt continues to fund ChCh victims families.
  Then a five minute piece hosted by Geoffrey Palmer of all people, about how terrible Muldoon was. Not sure why this was revisited.
  The whole news hour had Joh Cambell’s fingerprints all over it.
  Time to sell them or cut their funding through NZ On Air.
  
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  September 7, 2024 7:53pm
- David Garrett
  
  Jack: Well, apparently our brave boys lost again…I presume it will all be “razor’s” fault?
  
  The national religion is a very silly game in my view …only surpassed inn silliness by American football… a game run from the sidelines
  
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greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/culture/350407044/first-ever-pregnant-contestant-aims-miss-universe-nz-title
Just another self-obsessed “maori” woman who wants to make some sort of “point” and keep up a public profile for whatever reason.
Google her name.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/beauty/75355936/maori-studies-lecturer-says-deborah-lambies-miss-world-haka-not-right
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- Ghost
  
  Good on her, I hope she does well. You should try supporting instead of making an issue of them being Māori
  
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