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NeverMindTheBollocks

Stuff celebrates a beach clean up; huge piles of logs burned. Not a word about the carbon dioxide thus released.

The very definition of cognitive dissonance. Or, as we little people call it, hypocrisy.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350395690/remote-beachs-remarkable-transformation-after-gabrielle-clean
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September 3, 2024 8:01am
- sirknz
  
  Burning it on the beach is fine, burning it on the hills so that it can’t make its way to the beach in the first place is an affront to the climate gods.
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:06am
- rouppe
  
  I’m sure burning was suggested originally but there was much wailing about “safety” and “toxic fumes” and such.
  
  Maybe since a Maori organized it (good on him) there’s some Mataurangi Maori science we didn’t know about
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:34am
- pdm
  
  Bollocks as I see it the best way to get rid of slash, anywhere, is to dry it, pile it in heaps and burn it.
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:52am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Agreed. Slash and burn was the basis for agriculture by the earliest farmers. The Greens think they know better
    
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    September 3, 2024 11:27am
- NZer In Exile
  
  No worries because there is no climate crisis. Eat drink and be merry. The doomers are wrong.
  
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  September 3, 2024 7:56pm
Chuck Bird

Netanyahu is right. If he does what the families of the hostages want Hamas will regroup and there will be another 7 October but worse. Biden should STFU.
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September 3, 2024 8:03am
- Benedict Yu
  
  That read like a cryptic crossword clue.
  
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  September 3, 2024 8:18am
  - kowtow
    
    If you followed the news it wouldn’t be in the least bit cryptic it’d be the Simple Crossword.
    
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    September 3, 2024 8:27am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I think the word you are looking for is Sarcastic.
    
    Pretty clear what Chuck posted.
    
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    September 3, 2024 8:37am
  - Ghost
    
    It’s the way of the chuck, post a comment with no detail to what he’s talking about. I have no idea what the families want, and I can’t be stuffed searching to see.
    
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    September 3, 2024 9:38am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I maybe wrongly assume that most people on Kiwiblog follow the news or can work things out. The families obviously want Netanyahu to go along with Hamas’ demands in the hope that the hostages get released. To do so would put Israel at risk of another 7 October.
      
      kowtow understands my comment
      
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      September 3, 2024 9:50am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Some here want to be spoon fed Chuck.
        They can’t seem to process simple opinions or information without a link to a web page on the internet.
        Don’t conform, do it your way.
        
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        September 3, 2024 10:09am
      - Ghost
        
        No. If you want to start a discussion you need to actually say what you are talking about, not expect people to go google. Not that hard to do
        
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        September 3, 2024 10:20am
- kowtow
  
  If Netanyahu stops now he is not keeping faith with the 1,200 victims of the Oct 7 outrage or the 340 slain IDF soldiers since then .
  
  Meanwhile any political leaders who don’t support him are rewarding Hamas and their masters the Mullah regime in Tehran.
  
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  September 3, 2024 8:47am
- Happy1
  
  While going hard out to eliminate Hama will cause many many civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip, the deterrent effect ( if you attack Israel it’s not heads you win tails you don’t lose, you and your organisation/nation are destroyed) may prevent the 2027 war with Hezbollah and the 2031 Israel Iran war.
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:07am
- MCōs
  
  Anyone with the slightest knowledge of the area knows that the situation can not be rendered down to two sentences in the way you have
  It’s a hugely complicated problem that has baffled observers pretty much since time began
  
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  September 3, 2024 3:03pm
- Ra Henare
  
  I wonder if the hundred thousand protesting Israelis see it that way.
  
  Seems they think Netanyahu is a political animal trying to stay out of jail.
  
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  September 3, 2024 3:47pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I understood what Chuck meant. Israel is surrounded by brainwashed populations full of sick, evil and crazy religious related murderous hatred. I actually wish Israel would swallow it’s pride and migrate wholesale out of there to the USA. Sadly I take it that that’s unlikely.
  
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  September 3, 2024 8:03pm
Matt Long

One thing I find to be almost inconceivable is for people who purport to care about the fate of hostages in Gaza to go on TDS rants, rather than supporting him to get at least the American citizens back. Trump has a record of caring enough to get hostages released and protecting the lives of US forces, while Obama, Biden and Harris are callously indifferent.
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/10/12/17965126/turkey-pastor-brunson-trump-release
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1830044131021762757
https://x.com/jimmyfailla/status/1830245289862861110
https://x.com/DrewPavlou/status/1830091229444653304
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1830335021187490133
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September 3, 2024 8:08am
- RoboRob
  
  Ignoring the Trump aspect of your arguement, where is the Biden administration on the US hostages? There is zero US discussion around the missing US hostages, there is no public effort for the US special forces to recover their citizens. There appears to have been zero discussion between the US and Hamas with regards to the return of the US citizens. The US are leaving the recovery of their citizens to the Israelis, whom they are only paritally supporting.
  
  When in US history, has the the US left the recovery of US citizens to another country? Where is the media outrage?
  
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  September 3, 2024 8:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Biden is on holiday for two weeks at the beach, they spoke to him yesterday from the beach and you couldn’t understand what the hell he was saying
    
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    September 3, 2024 9:35am
    - Conservatarian
      
      After “the debate” on June 28 (New Zealand time) Biden went to the beach and retired to focus on his own hurt feelings once everyone in the world had it confirmed his brain is mush. He has basically taken the summer off his job. Then today he gets up off his lounger and puts down his icecream and reappears (looking like death warmed up), having the brass balls to blame Netanyahu for not working hard doing enough to negotiate a “hostage deal”.
      
      Absolutely zero interest in asking HamArse simply not to kidnap and behead innocent people. He’s a mindless leftist who follows this naive leftist practice of bending over backwards for barbarians in the hope it will “civilize” their behaviour. They recognise strength not being piss weak.
      
      Remember, Biden and Harris and whoever is it that actually runs the country warned Israel to stay out of Rafah, where the six hostages (including an American) were just murdered.
      
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      September 3, 2024 11:04am
    - Colville
      
      …and yet that is a better interview than Harris has given in the last year….!!!
      
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      September 3, 2024 12:01pm
    - Jethrod
      
      That’s alright as Obama and Clinton were in the office!
      
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      September 3, 2024 4:07pm
  - kowtow
    
    There’s been very little , relatively about the fiasco of the pier he built to Gaza .
    
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    September 3, 2024 9:43am
    - RoboRob
      
      Its almost like Biden is ‘their man’ and so they wont publish stories that hurt his administraton.
      
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      September 3, 2024 10:17am
      - kowtow
        
        Yep , where was all the media party “fact checking” on Biden’s claim no American servicemen died under his watch when 13 were murdered in the Kabul Rout .
        
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        September 3, 2024 10:33am
      - nova
        
        Well if he wasn’t watching, then by definition they couldn’t have died under his watch… (but yes, the media do seem to be very selective in their fact checking, and very opinionated as to how they interpret “facts” in the first place).
        And actually, it is even more ironic that Biden was watching his watch when the coffins came off the plane, so might not have seen the coffins.
        
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        September 3, 2024 2:41pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      Just $320m down the drain…it makes Labour look positively efficient.
      
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      September 3, 2024 11:07am
Matt Long

RFK junior draws lines from taxpayers’ funds to Ukraine, to the US arms merchants, to the ultimate beneficiaries Blackrock and friends who get to own Ukraine’s farmland. He’s probably just a conspiracy theorist, but one does wonder why Blackrock favours the Democrats, and why our Prime Ministers immediately go to show fealty to Larry Fink when visiting the US.
https://x.com/obligatoryasian/status/1830468055937544403
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September 3, 2024 8:15am
- Tomtoddy
  
  One of the more remarkable misapprehensions out there is that big business is capitalist, senior business leaders hate socialism and groups like Blackrock are the bastion of free markets and property rights. That is most often flat wrong.
  
  Big business hates competition. They can manipulate governments and bureaucrats much more adroitly when they interfere and regulate. They worm their way into the halls of power and outsmart the elected and their departmental minions.
  
  Not so for small and medium sized business who lack the leverage.
  
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  September 3, 2024 8:26am
  - p5
    
    Blackrock has lots of competition. Beyond the other big players Vanguard and State Street, there are infinitum smaller financial companies competing, even some based in New Zealand. Through economies of scale and a strong track record, Blackrock generally out competes them.
    
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    September 3, 2024 8:32am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘Blackrock generally out competes them.’
      
      Which contradicts you opening sentence.
      
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      September 3, 2024 9:45am
      - p5
        
        McDonald’s generally outcompetes Burger King and thus is a much larger company.
        
        Does not mean that Burger King is not competition for McDonald’s.
        
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        September 3, 2024 9:54am
  - amospicton
    
    The other misapprehension is “BlackRock owns” – BlackRock are a fund manager, admittedly a huge one but they don’t own shares beneficially.
    
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    September 3, 2024 8:52am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Very good point, people who hate Black rock and say they are buying everything up think it is owned by one person and suggest that person is another Sorroes. Fund managers invest, and usually they are for super annuation funds
      
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      September 3, 2024 9:38am
      - rockape
        
        Quite pleased my KiwiSaver is with Blackrock through ASB.
        
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        September 3, 2024 10:53am
    - RoboRob
      
      This is the major problem with Black rock and co. They are fund managers, investing other peoples money on their behalf BUT the shares they buy come with a say in the running of the companies they part own (on behalf of their clients). Black rock have been ‘activist’ investors pushing things like DEI and ESG. These aren’t things the owners want, these are things that Black rock wanted. Essentially they are using the power they have thought their clients money to force businesses to act the way they would like. Its just wrong IMHO.
      
      ESG
      In October 2021, The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote that BlackRock was pushing the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission to adopt rules requiring private companies to publicly disclose their climate impact, the diversity of their boards of directors, and other metrics. The editorial board opined that “ESG mandates, which also carry substantial litigation and reputation risks, will cause many companies to shun public markets. This would hurt stock exchanges and asset managers, but most of all retail investors
      
      Funilly enough Black rock are stepping back from ESG due to the harm and under performance that has occurred to the companies they have invested it. The problem is that if the companies underperform, so does Black Rock as a fund manager!
      
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      September 3, 2024 10:24am
      - p5
        
        BlackRock has many funds, some ESG and some purely market based. They have never forced anyone into choosing an ESG fund if you do not want to.
        
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        September 3, 2024 12:59pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      However they secure Voting rights, Big difference in the control of any company.
      
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      September 3, 2024 4:26pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Once a business establishes market dominance it is its interest for as much government regulation as possible. This regulation can be managed by existing players, at a cost, but for startups it is all but impossible.
    
    Interestingly the Dems are now miore the party of big business then the Reps. In the last 20yrs they have been switiching positions.
    
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    September 3, 2024 8:54am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Yes. It’s been suggested that the real motive behind Amazon’s lobbying for mandatory DEI policies is suppression of newer, smaller companies. They know that DEI imposes a cost on companies: a cost that a megacorp like Amazon can absorb; but that smaller, newer companies can’t.
    
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    September 3, 2024 8:57am
  - Colville
    
    Big business loves government regulation, all the easier to manipulate via lobbyists and tilt the playing field in their favour.
    
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    September 3, 2024 8:57am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Tom
    Good post. Correct about the “bastions of the free market”. Their Russian counterparts are termed oligarchs, in reality they are all oligarchs.
    
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    September 3, 2024 9:09am
- p5
  
  RFK’s “terms that are very beneficial to Ukraine” involve permanently ceding around a quarter of Ukraine’s territory (Russia has been clear they require recognition for peace, not just a ceasefire on current lines).
  
  Blackrock owns a minority of the defense contractors passively and no Ukrainian farmland, foreign companies may not own land under Ukrainian law.
  
  While it is true that the U.S. requires aid to be spent at American companies, it is patently not true that NATO members have to spend money with the U.S. The French, German and British defense contractors would love to hear their weapons can’t be purchased by NATO members.
  
  And it’s absolutely fair and right that the U.S. puts conditions on aid to Ukraine. If the U.S. was giving aid without requiring fiscal responsibility it would be an outrage!
  
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  September 3, 2024 8:29am
  - Drone
    
    Like the conditions it puts on funding the Israeli genocide in Gaza and Middle East.
    
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    September 3, 2024 10:55am
    - p5
      
      They do put conditions on Israeli use of American weapons. Not as many and I’d happy for more. But Israel can just use their own weapons for what the US bans. Just as Ukraine uses Lithianian weapons for their attacks deep into Russia (which the US does not allow).
      
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      September 3, 2024 12:58pm
    - kowtow
      
      Genocide ?
      
      Er they’ve sclaed back operations to allow a polio vaccination drive , hardly f’en genocide .
      
      The genocides that have been witnessed in the ME in recent history have not been by Israel , but against Jewish , Christian , Yazidi , Kurd minorities.
      
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      September 3, 2024 1:38pm
Bridgenag

The New Zealand COVID vaccine data shows that the shots make you more likely to die
Have you seen any analysis of the NZ data posted by any prominent epidemiologist showing it is safe? I haven’t and it’s been almost 1 year since I set the data free.

“Critical thinkers might wonder, “Why aren’t any prominent epidemiologist calling for data transparency of public health data? Don’t they want to know?””

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/the-new-zealand-covid-vaccine-data?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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September 3, 2024 8:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Here we go again. Here is some actual analysis if anyone is interested.
  
  https://science.feedback.org/review/steve-kirschs-claim-new-zealand-data-shows-covid-vaccines-killed-millions-flawed-analysis/
  
  http://www.globalvaccinedatanetwork.org/blog/Vaccine_Victory_How_COVID-19_shots_slash_all-cause_mortality_and_outshine_misinformation
  
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  September 3, 2024 8:25am
  - Damocles11
    
    These ghouls won’t let it go, will they. Cheers for trying to talk some sense.
    
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    September 3, 2024 9:06am
    - ISeeRed
      
      They won’t let it go to protect YOU from the next pandemic and another gross violation of YOUR human rights.
      
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      September 3, 2024 2:15pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Keep taking the vax BY . Take extras. Safe and effective…….
    
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    September 3, 2024 9:12am
    - sherp
      
      He still thinks mandates were about saving lives rather than clearly used to make sure governments purchased large quantities of the jab using tax payer dollars to ensure investors got a return.
      
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      September 3, 2024 9:34am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Who takes the vax anymore? I had just two at the beginning and gave up after getting Covid, even though it hardly affected me. But for anyone to suggest millions died in no from the jab, then that is just absolute bullshit, that’s what it says there in the link
      
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      September 3, 2024 9:42am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Died in NZ from the jab it should read
        
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        September 3, 2024 10:11am
      - imalwaysright
        
        “….that’s what it says there in the link ”
        
        If it said the opposite in the link would you change your mind?
        Do you realise that people like you also write web pages?
        Doesnt that frighten you?
        
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        September 3, 2024 12:14pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        You people can down vote as much as you like, but how could millions of NZers died from the jab when only 100 k at most has died of anything in the last 4 years
        
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        September 3, 2024 1:48pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Unfortunately, it has resulted in a “”he said she said”” situation.
    
    I note that your reference “”actual analysis””.
    Attacks the author extensively. Hence, losing some credibility in my eyes.
    
    One would have thought that the analysis of data would be the content of the report.
    
    The article is by a science editor (No reference as to who did the actual analysis) Reminds me of IPCC reports.
    
    I would also note that one swallow doesn’t make a summer, and there will be many “”papers”” from authoritative sources published around the world. Promoting both sides of the argument.
    
    So, like the moon landing, JFK assassination, etc etc
    There will be believers on both sides of the argument.
    
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    September 3, 2024 4:08pm
- MCōs
  
  ‘the shots make you more likely to die’
  As opposed to what? Live forever
  
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  September 3, 2024 8:35am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Mcos
    The quote you posted doesn’t mean what you may think.
    He is saying that the shots are detrimental to mortality, not that not taking them enables immortality.
    Nuance of the English language is the most difficult to learn. Its even more difficult when communication is by typed words. Disregard the downticks .
    
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    September 3, 2024 12:27pm
Matt Long

Scott Adams,
It’s hard to have a conversation with anyone who….

1. Believes news is real.

2. Believes humans can accurately measure the average temperature of the planet and predict it decades into the future.
https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1828784414387794001
Adams elsewhere notes how hard it is to reason with people who believe data is accurate on anything.
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September 3, 2024 8:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Of course we can measure the average temperature of earth.
  
  https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/35/how-do-scientists-measure-global-temperature/#:~:text=Modern%20observations%20mostly%20come%20from,in%20180%20countries%20and%20territories.
  
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  September 3, 2024 8:28am
  - Matt Long
    
    Missed a key word in the quote BY.
    
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    September 3, 2024 8:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Can guess, which is what the climate change people do!
      
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      September 3, 2024 3:35pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    How about predicting temperature decade in the future?
    
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    September 3, 2024 8:35am
    - MCōs
      
      Not hard at all
      I predict the temperature in Ngāruawāhia will be 23° on 3-September 2054
      
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      September 3, 2024 9:36am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Putting a lazy hundy into trust on that one, ate you Cossie?
        
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        September 3, 2024 6:38pm
  - Taieri
    
    Of course we can measure the average temperature of earth.
    ————-
    
    If we still had a telephone directory we could work out the average telephone number. It would mean as much as the average temperature of earth.
    
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    September 3, 2024 9:24am
  - Ra Henare
    
    BY, you reference NASA which is US centric.
    
    Do they get observations from all over China? All over Russia, All over Africa, All over Antarctica etc.
    
    So it would not be unreasonable to agree with Scott who says
    
    can ACCURATELY measure the average temperature of the planet
    
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    September 3, 2024 4:14pm
- Colville
  
  Matt.
  
  News is real.
  
  Its the other stuff that we are fed everyday you need to worry about.
  
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  September 3, 2024 9:00am
- kevn
  
  Matt… Tell Scott that tax makes it work out//
  
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  September 3, 2024 9:09am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Harris Pushes for Open Mics in Sept 10th Debate While Trump Stands Firm on Original Rules.
I am guessing Harris wants to interrupt Trump with a barrage of word soup salad, something she is good at.
Open mics or not, it will be hilarious.

https://conservativeadvocacy.com/harris-pushes-for-open-mics-in-debate-while-trump-stands-firm-on-original-rules/?
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September 3, 2024 8:22am
- Scott
  
  I think Harris wants to have another “I am speaking” moment? Honestly the woman agrees to maybe one debate? She has had one interview with the press. In the interview she looked nervous and dull.
  
  Who really thinks she would be a good president, the commander in chief? Anyone?
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:19am
  - imalwaysright
    
    She looked pissed
    
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    September 3, 2024 12:32pm
  - p5
    
    I think Harris has appreciated her chances aren’t on her own merits, but for Trump to implode. With open mics Trump cannot control his ego.
    
    Regardless ABC has already ruled the mics will not be open.
    
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    September 3, 2024 1:01pm
    - waikatosinger
      
      Harris can also implode. Let her talk and she’ll start spouting inane nonsense. Remember these classics:
      
      “The significance of the passage of time, right? The significance of the passage of time. So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time.”
      
      “It is time for us to do what we have been doing. And that time is every day. Every day it is time for us to agree that there are things and tools that are available to us to slow this thing down”
      
      “But we all watched the television coverage of just yesterday. That’s on top of everything else that we know and don’t know yet, based on what we’ve just been able to see. And because we’ve seen it or not doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.”
      
      “So, Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that’s wrong, and it goes against everything that we stand for.”
      
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      September 3, 2024 2:33pm
G152

To help at a particular but unavoidable elderly task.
Changing blown light bulbs.
Own house get an electrician to lengthen the leads so all bulbs are at 2.5m off the floor and therefor easily and safely reached to replace.
If renting make up extension leads to achieve the same result.
Stay safe and think about what you are doing before you do it
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September 3, 2024 8:27am
- Flossie
  
  I think for me it would be a bit of a mission to safely reach a light bulb 2.5 metres from the floor. It would necessitate standing on a ladder. Not going to happen!
  And I don’t understand renters being able – or allowed – to make up extension leads for ceiling lights? Landlord/laws/common sense and safety would be a not happening as well?
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:40am
artemisia

Tohatoha.org.nz is closing down as they can no longer find anyone to pay them. Sadly, climate change disinformation will no longer be reported from that source.

Fortunately we still have the likes of Barry Brill over at BBH – Polar Bears, Shrinking Islands & Other Climate Fictions. I am sure the disinformation he records was front and centre in Tohatoha’s education programme. Including the Climate Disinformation Night School which teaches participants to recognise, analyse and counter disinformation related to climate change.
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September 3, 2024 8:31am
- Chuck Bird
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/barry-brill-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions?
  
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  September 3, 2024 8:40am
- Simon
  
  Has the climate scam turned a corner? Recent weak reference in parliament by Hipkins to the UN head jobsworth climate claims. It was pitiful.
  
  Front people for climate fraud in parliament Hipkins & Swarbrick not creditable. Luxon will know to keep quiet.
  
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  September 3, 2024 9:02am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The people who wail about “climate fraud” are more likely than not to believe conspiracy theories about the covid vaccines. Let me guess. You are one of those folk who childishly refer to rational people as “boosted”? 🙄
    
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    September 3, 2024 11:42am
- kowtow
  
  That other darling of the Catastrophists has slipped off the pages now that the borrow pits have been filled in.
  
  Tuvalu ain’t sinking any more . A miracle!
  
  And the Maldives are still a big tourist draw , even though the PM or president had a scuba dive cabinet meeting stunt a few years ago, the islands haven’t disappeared yet.
  
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  September 3, 2024 9:53am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

New details from Trump assassination attempt – well some anyway.
FBI say they have not found any evidence of Crooks working with other people. True or coverup? No mention of the encrypted messages. Also nothing from Thomas Crooks parents. Strange.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/fbi-shares-new-details-from-investigation-into-trump-assassination-attempt-5714291?

Photos of Crooks possessions:

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/butler-investigation-photos
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September 3, 2024 8:31am
peterwn

A few days ago HDPA commented “Darleen Tana is embarrassing the Green Party. The rookie is whupping them in front of us.
So far, it’s 2-0 to Tana.”
This caused me to reflect on Simon Bridges approach when considering whether to try and have Jami Lee-Ross removed from Parliament in the same way. Simon decided not to drawing criticism from some in his own party. He considered that any attempted removal would not hold up in the courts. Simon would have thought through things from a legal and strategic viewpoint and anticipated it would quickly get messy as it had for the Greens and therefore it was not worth it. So Jami ended up seeing his term out, failed to win anything in 2020 and became a snake oil salesman.
Contrast Simon’s approach with Chlöe’s approach which has left egg all over hers and the Green’s faces.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/darleen-tana-humiliating-the-greens-the-rogue-rookie-mp-handing-her-old-party-a-hiding-heather-du-plessis-allan/XVU2VGMZ7ZDZNF3JJTK7RF2QH4/ (paywalled)
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September 3, 2024 8:38am
- pdm
  
  The difference pw.
  
  Simon Bridges is a former Crown Prosecutor.
  
  Chloe Swarbrick is nothing more than a juvenile politician with no world/life experience or common sense.
  
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  September 3, 2024 9:52am
  - Conservatarian
    
    But she said “OK boomer” and the Guardian thought it was great.
    
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    September 3, 2024 11:16am
  - sirknz
    
    Not true, she has had a couple of businesses that she ran straight into the ground…
    
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    September 3, 2024 11:35am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Bridges is a lawyer I think, he will have had some of his own readings of waka jumping.
  
  I don’t care if Tana stays till the end, she can be used as a stick to beat green voters in 26, remind centre voters Greens and TPM will be in cabinet if Labour is to get back in
  
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  September 3, 2024 9:52am
  - AitchW
    
    One of a bundle of sticks…
    
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    September 3, 2024 6:09pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      A fascine? That would make the wielder a fascist.
      
      Careful, now.
      
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      September 3, 2024 6:43pm
- MCōs
  
  The difference was Jamie-Lee was an electorate MP, which would have meant a messy by election that theoretically the Nats could have lost
  I doubt if it was solely the hapless Bridges decision to make anyway. He didn’t last much longer himself, nor did his even more hapless successor
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:15am
  - Jethrod
    
    Botany electorate voters were a little more intelligent than that.
    
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    September 3, 2024 4:14pm
- kowtow
  
  There was an awful lot more to the JLR story though , particularly the foreign influence buying of seats in our parliament.
  
  Might that have been a factor in everyone basically keeping their heads down for want of an even bigger , far more scandalous aspect to the JLR saga .
  
  One largely ignored by everyone .
  
  The dragon in the room as it were.
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:36am
NeverMindTheBollocks

In 2002, nuclear power supplied about a fifth of Germany’s electricity. Twenty-one years later, it supplied none. The plan was to replace nuclear with solar and wind. But, ephemeral renewables simply can’t match nuclear’s consistency. And since an advanced economy like Germany’s requires a reliable power grid, fossil fuel power plants burning coal and natural gas were brought online to pick up wind and solar’s slack. That’s cost EUR 600B.

If the Germans had taken the money spent on expanding solar and wind and instead used it to construct new nuclear capacity, they could have slashed carbon emissions a further 73% on top of their cuts in 2022, while simultaneously enjoying a savings of 330 billion Euros.

Massive own goal by the Greenies.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/How-Germanys-Nuclear-Phase-Out-Backfired.html
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September 3, 2024 8:41am
- sherp
  
  The commies have ensured Germany is reliant on Russia gas…. I’m quite sure they see this as a win.
  
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  September 3, 2024 9:37am
  - kowtow
    
    When you consider the Gaulieter’s Calls that Merkel made , in terms of the millions of migrants and the nuke thing you really do have to question her motives .
    
    Yet te media paahti considered her the true Leaderene of the west ( that was at the height of their Brexit/Trump obsessions) .
    
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    September 3, 2024 9:58am
    - Conservatarian
      
      There was a comical interview with UK correspondent Gavin Grey last night on HDPA. it concerned the AfD aka “the faaaaar right” in Germany winning an election in a eastern state. This was the first state election win for “the faaaaaar right” since the days of the mustachioed mid-20th century Austrian painter and war veteran.
      
      Normie HDPA nodded along solemnly at the obvious implications: certain types of salute will become as natural as breathing.
      
      No mention that the AfD’s support comes from the German youth (I understand 50% of all German young voter support the AfD). To his credit Grey at least mentioned that “some people” are concerned about immigration and that yet another stabbing by a refugee from a Mohammedan paradise took place shortly before the election.
      
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      September 3, 2024 11:25am
      - kowtow
        
        The mainstream parties ( and media) there are celebrating the so called firewall whereby no one will deal with the AfD .
        
        This will simply convince even more people that the mainstream is itself anti democratic .
        France can’t form an effective govt de to similar strategy towards Le Pen’s crowd but eventually there will be a breakthrough as per Holland and Sweden and indeed in other countries like Denmark the left have been forced to take on a realistic attitude towards uncontrolled mass migration as possibly have the likely winners of the next Federal elections in Germany the CDU , who’re finally making very strong noises in that direction.
        
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        September 3, 2024 3:26pm
- peterwn
  
  Germany still relies on some nuclear power – imported from France! The French aren’t that fussed about having nuclear power.
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:22am
Matt Long

I’ve been a bit busy but a few days back Lake Taupo was looking low, pointing to more possible power shortages. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/waikato-news/news/lake-taupo-water-level-goes-from-high-to-low/ESQQEMZOZVD4PLOUJE56GZIQTQ/
Interestingly there’s increased concerns about power supply despite demand not increasing in a decade according to Michael Reddell.
https://x.com/MHReddell/status/1828882229076103312
Elon Musk, who is deeply invested in solar, says please don’t turn off nuclear. What a pity politicians are so stupid, or paid to increase energy prices?
https://x.com/MattLon13470215/status/1830656004859830273
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September 3, 2024 8:41am
- MCōs
  
  Electricity demand hasn’t increased, but existing generators have finite lives and need to be replaced
  There’s plenty of power stations that have been taken out of service over the years
  
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  September 3, 2024 9:29am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They use to love Musk when he was a centrist, now the left have moved so far left they think he is a nut bar
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:02am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

EVs v gasoline.
“EVs are the future is a manufactured myth, driven by a combination of government mandates, green lobbyists, and out-of-touch elites who don’t understand the realities of everyday Americans.”
Factory assembly lines dismantled and are being re-tooled for electric. Sooner or later is will all crash. There are not enough raw minerals to keep this going.
Same applies in NZ.

https://conservativeadvocacy.com/unmasking-the-ev-myth-why-gasoline-cars-still-rule/?
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September 3, 2024 8:47am
- alloytoo
  
  Ford and GM are rolling back on EV’s as quickly as they can.
  
  Very few people want them and the resale values are so catastrophic that lease companies are looking to exit the market.
  
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  September 4, 2024 6:46am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Violent Venezuelan Gang ‘TdA’ Spotted in Mexico En Route to US.
Will Biden/Harris try to stop this? Will they hand out voting ballots instead and watch America get destroyed?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/el-paso-high-alert-dangerous-venezuelan-gang-described-ms-13-steroids-surges-us
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September 3, 2024 8:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I heard them talking about the Mexican gang the other day MS13 I think they are called. To get into that gang you have to murder someone in view of other gang members, how f…..d up is that
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    TdA is MS 13 on steroids.
    You ain’t seen nothing yet. I dunno how Trump is going to clean up America with this shit.
    
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    September 3, 2024 11:50am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hooten has gone crazed since the day he started writing for the Horrid, calling other parties and their leaders racists, Grrrrr.
  
  Hooten never rubbishes TPM the most racist bunch of the lot
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:08am
  - Matt Long
    
    It’s entirely possible Hooten has written a piece critical of Maori party racism, it just that the chance of it being published are extraordinarily low.
    
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    September 3, 2024 12:00pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Hooten gave us Todd Muller as leader. Ever since then, I ignore anything he says.
    
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    September 3, 2024 1:03pm
- cmm
  
  Venezuelan gangs have pretty much taken control of parts of the city of Aurora in Colorado.
  
  Once they have a toe hold like that, it is easy for them to flood in and very difficult to displace them.
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13797735/aurora-colorado-slams-feds-venezuelan-gangs-city.html
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:35am
  - Conservatarian
    
    This will lead to a dangerous rise in “anti-immigrant domestic extremist” sentiment upon which Biden/Harris’ Dept of Justice will have option but to crack down. All in the 2 month absentee / mail-in ballot period starting about now.
    
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    September 3, 2024 11:29am
- kiwi_chileno
  
  The Tren de Aragua and other Venezuelan gangs are operating in Chile. There’s been a leap in drug trafficking and gang-related murders, kidnappings, extortion, etc. They are also smuggling illegal immigrants across the porous Bolivia – Chile border, mainly Venezuelans (over 350, 000 are estimated to have entered Chile since 2018 – more are expected after Maduro’s fraudulent ‘victory’ in the recent elections).
  
  TA members murdered a dissident Venezuelan army officer with asylum in Santiago earlier this year: evidence points to it being a hit ordered by Maduro’s regime. And Argentina’s Security Minister has called TA a state-sponsored terrorist group, henchmen for Maduro.
  
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  September 3, 2024 7:02pm
kowtow

NZME Herald has an editorial as well of course big coverage of the Maori King funeral.

They talk of his unifying influence etc

No mention of his statement ;

“There’s no principles, the Treaty is written. That’s it.”

When other political leaders , some Maoris themselves , say similar they are accused of being divisive .

Once again the serious dissonance of te media paahti.
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September 3, 2024 8:55am
- PurplePen
  
  Up until recently I supported the Treaty Principles Bill. But having thought about it and with a recent interview with Winston (link below) I’ve changed tack. I get that if the Principles appear in our legislation in places and that they weren’t ever defined by parliament, then they need to be defined. But a fact is there are or were no principles stated anywhere way back in the 19th century. So the better and more pragmatic approach is remove any reference to Principles from all legislation which it turns out is what NZ First has in their part of the coalition agreement.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy2tPaD1OUM
  
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  September 3, 2024 11:14am
jenkies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0meQxgIHu8&t=1247s

Has anyone seen this? Comments?

[Mod – please include descriptions with links]

Matthew Hooton eviscerates Damien Grant on TWG
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September 3, 2024 8:57am
Matt Long

Biden has emerged from holiday to throw all his efforts into campaigning for Harris.
Reminds me of the old game show story, first prize is a weekend holiday in Hamilton, second prize is two weekends in Hamilton.
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September 3, 2024 8:59am
Bridgenag

A Recent Axios Report Found: Vice President Kamala Harris’ presidential campaign has been caught paying Google to show, as ads, fake news headlines favorable to her campaign. She’s literally *paying* for the appearance of the headlines she wants, and Google is accommodating the request.

https://open.substack.com/pub/darkfutura/p/synthworld-apostasy?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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September 3, 2024 9:23am
- cmm
  
  “She’s literally *paying* for the appearance of the headlines she wants, and Google is accommodating the request.”
  
  Google will do this for most products. Search for Toyota and you might also be served some Ford “sponsored content”.
  
  The big difference is that due to some “bug”, Google was not marking these advertisements as “sponsored content”.
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:31am
  - p5
    
    Isn’t “sponsored content” a euphamism for “advertisement”. What’s the difference?
    
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    September 3, 2024 1:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

9 Things That Should Instantly Disqualify A Person From Voting.
“Just because people can vote doesn’t mean they should vote.”

https://babylonbee.com/news/9-things-that-should-instantly-disqualify-a-person-from-voting?
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September 3, 2024 10:10am
- kowtow
  
  The point has been made that in the US you need to provide proper id to buy alcohol or open a bank account but when it comes to selecting the government ………
  
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  September 3, 2024 10:39am
Maggy Wassilieff

A green hit job….that ended up very muddy…

Calvert wanted a public apology.

“We were targeted by the mayor, through her proxies, because we didn’t agree [Reading] a good deal for residents. And it wasn’t,” she said.

Young said: “This proves our allegation that the code of conduct [inquiry] was a political attack by the Greens, costing the equivalent of the average annual rates for 50 houses.”

https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350394751/reading-leak-inquiry-secret-whistleblower-revealed?
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September 3, 2024 10:33am
- Oskar
  
  The whistleblower who leaked the comments by the Councilors opposed to the Reading deal was Nadine Walker – Tory Whanau’s Chief of Staff.
  Not relevant to this story – but interesting – is that Nadine Walker is the partner of Chloe Swarbrick.
  The following sentence is from this article
  https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350127242/who-has-mayors-ear
  
  “Nadine Walker, a former Green Party press secretary, is the new chief of staff. She worked with Whanau in Parliament in 2019 and 2020 and is Green MP Chlöe Swarbrick’s partner.
  Walker has experience in the Australian Senate and worked for former Auckland mayor Phil Goff.”
  
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  September 3, 2024 1:47pm
PurplePen

And then there’s this from RNZ. Excerpts included below. Isn’t the very approach that Eugenia Cheng refers to the exact approach that school teachers and the MoE have been using and preaching for the last decade. The whole self-learning, critical thinking, self-discovery thing. What Cheng is now suggesting is it hasn’t happened. If so, what the hell has the education sector been doing then.

Writer and academic Eugenia Cheng says…
If we really value maths education, it’s time to take a less rigid and more inclusive approach to it that doesn’t put so many people off for life.
But the many children who struggle to understand, take longer to respond, or ask questions not deemed “good”, feel shut out in this setting and then shut down.
Mathematics education … also helps develop critical thinking.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/526655/did-you-fail-maths-or-did-it-fail-you
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September 3, 2024 11:08am
Observant Octagenarian

Anyone noticed how well dressed the men and woman at the Maori King’s wailings are?
Contrast this with the cowboy hat worn by the member for Te Party Maori.
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September 3, 2024 11:37am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Saw some Maori people in Te Rapa Mall today. Blokes with a full facial tattoo but v well turned out as were the women folk.
  
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  September 3, 2024 12:54pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  I’d go so far as to suggest that boy is culturally confused among being totally confused.
  
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  September 3, 2024 12:59pm
  - greybeard
    
    Seeking attention, nothing more.
    
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    September 3, 2024 3:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Indeed, Harris has made history by polling as one of the least popular vice presidents of all time. So how come the polls say different? The media couldn’t be lying as they did with Hillary in 2015/16 could they?
It’s Chaos. The wheels are falling off the short yellow school bus.

https://pjnewsletter.com/kamala-campaign-staffers-confused/?
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September 3, 2024 11:56am
- p5
  
  In a like Harris vs dislike Harris poll, dislike Harris wins every time. But when faced against Trump, many see her as a lesser evil.
  
  Trump also has consistent -ve approval ratings even when he was beating Biden in polls.
  
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  September 3, 2024 1:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is a dirty trick. RFKjr is not running for POTUS anymore, so Kamala has pulled his Secret Service protection.
Only a rotten Democrat would do this.

https://pjnewsletter.com/rfk-endorses-trump-kamala-ss/?
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September 3, 2024 12:00pm
- Ghost
  
  How is it a dirty trick? Secret service protection is for candidates only. The moment he pulled out he was no longer eligible for secret service protection.
  
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  September 3, 2024 1:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Biden approved security for RFK but Harris was quick to take it away.
    You are correct Ghost, but the sharpness makes it a normal dirty Democrat move.
    My opinion – is that OK with yours?
    
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    September 3, 2024 4:03pm
    - Ghost
      
      The moment he pulled out he lost the protection. Nothing to do with Harris.
      
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      September 3, 2024 4:14pm
      - Colville
        
        Hasn’t he stayed on the ballot in some states tho?
        
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        September 3, 2024 7:56pm
      - Ghost
        
        here is the criteria for getting protection, he’s no longer actively campaigning,
        
        https://www.secretservice.gov/protection/leaders/campaign-2024
        
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        September 3, 2024 8:17pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I can’t see this helping Te Papa’s bid to raise money from tourists.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350401436/tax-tourists-visiting-nz-will-almost-triple
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September 3, 2024 12:55pm
- cmm
  
  I really don’t think this tourist tax will materially impact tourism.
  
  If you can afford a plane ticket to come to NZ, accommodation, transport, etc etc, then the increase from $35 to $100 is chicken feed.
  
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  September 3, 2024 1:21pm
  - Colville
    
    Yeah $20k For flights and accom… Who would notice the hundy?
    It wouldn’t buy a decent bottle at a restaurant.
    
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    September 3, 2024 7:57pm
- PurplePen
  
  Bhutan the fee is $200 a day! Austria its 3.2% per night. All US parks you have to pay. And $100NZD is less than 60 Euro. And as previous post says, it’s a small percentage of total holiday cost.
  
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  September 3, 2024 1:51pm
  - cmm
    
    Some people might feel it is contrary to the “friendly vibe” of NZ.
    
    I don’t think so.
    
    Average spend by a tourist is $300 per day, with a 10 day trip.
    
    $100 is going to average out at $10 a day. Meh.
    
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    September 3, 2024 2:51pm
Jack5

Police Minister Mark Mitchell was on the Platform video news today discussing the police cutting back on reaction to mental health calls. He conceded that it would put a stress on the mental health work force.

Mitchell indicated the transition would be over five years.

This would put it completion into the next term of government.

https://youtu.be/qoPdkSG5f6A?si=_CsINN-AGnIm_rWt
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September 3, 2024 12:57pm
- Jinky
  
  Health NZ boss in e-mail to staff “Under the changes, higher thresholds for Police attending some mental health events are scheduled from November, with further changes rolled out in three phases over the following 12 months. The first stage focuses on reducing the time Police spend with people waiting for voluntary mental health assessments in Emergency Departments, and on introducing a higher threshold for Police assistance with transport and support in mental health facilities. ” Margie Apa
  
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  September 3, 2024 1:48pm
- kowtow
  
  The real cost will be the price to be paid when Plod fails to turn up to disturbances / incidents involving “mental health ” cases and people are killed and injured.
  
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  September 3, 2024 2:54pm
  - Jinky
    
    Just like what happened in London when the Met police pulled the same stunt.
    
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    September 3, 2024 8:32pm
  - Ghost
    
    That’s not exactly the plan. They will continue to go to mental health call outs where there is an “immediate risk to life and safety”.
    
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    September 3, 2024 8:34pm
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Protestors interrupt ACT meeting at Hastings Racecourse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7MRektD-kk
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September 3, 2024 1:43pm
- PurplePen
  
  Not a brown one among the protesters holding up the maori flag. Palestine was somehow featured in the protest .. must be the local protest everything group.
  
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  September 3, 2024 1:55pm
cmm

Does anyone understand why this sack of shit did not face attempted murder charges?

“He got back in the SUV, and drove back down Dunlop Rd – but as he did so he spied the 68-year-old worker ahead of him.

He accelerated, swerved at the worker, and drove over him – narrowly missing a second worker in the process.”

Driving over people is surely more than reckless driving.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350401498/rampaging-waikato-teacher-deliberately-runs-over-road-worker-two-kids-suv
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September 3, 2024 2:46pm
- Ghost
  
  I’ve read it a few times and can’t work it out. Piece of shit should not be allowed near kids with that kind of anger issues
  
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  September 3, 2024 3:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You really think the MSM could have done a bit of fact-checking as to whether this chap really was a “teacher”.
  
  I think house-painting contractor is a more accurate representation of his employment at the time of his rampage.
  https://nz.linkedin.com/in/finn-higgins-7632a9247
  
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  September 3, 2024 3:45pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350401838/watch-africas-tallest-skyscraper-taking-shape-desert
China is building this modern-day equivalent of the Pharaohs’ excesses, and we can only wonder at what the quid-pro-quo will be. Meanwhile in the rest of Africa millions are starving and/or being purged and/or living in abject poverty. Except in SA where they play rugby.
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September 3, 2024 3:10pm
- cmm
  
  China is building it at the behest of the Africans. It will be good business for them and a nice ego-boost for some politician. Other that that it will provide shade for beggars if they are allowed in that part of town.
  
  Sure there are starving in Africa, but is is really any different to American (or other Western) excesses?
  
  USA (and many other Western countries) have massive debt and it is only the expansion of that debt that is putting food on the table.
  
  Every day the USA federal debt increases by $US30 per person – man, woman and child. If you were to stop the debt increase you would be taking $US30 per person per day out of the money flow. That would instantly create a lot of hungry people who would get a bit stroppy.
  
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  grey, if the standard of workmanship is the same as their ghost cities then God help the Africans.
  
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