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NeverMindTheBollocks

It’ll be interesting to see who’ll be the new Kingi.

I hear Nanaia is looking for a new role.
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September 2, 2024 8:00am
- Dougal10
  
  If the kingi is to be a real maori king shouldn’t the next one come from a different tribe , or even have to be of blended tribe decent.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:29am
  - sherp
    
    If they had any power and the maori population saw the king as their soverign head of state you would think there would be a clear succession plan…
    
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    September 2, 2024 10:00am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Not all royal families work in that way – and it’s not the worst idea. The two sons of Kingi Tuheitia have been in trouble with the law.
      
      However, how do you get to be a King without having a Kingdom? Really, he was just a paramount chief, and none the worse for that.
      
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      September 2, 2024 11:01am
  - Ghost
    
    The vote for the new king or queen probably took place in the weekend.
    
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    September 2, 2024 10:12am
    - Swifty
      
      Yes, I’ve read that the decision will be made before he is interred.
      
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      September 2, 2024 10:46am
  - Paulus
    
    But the other Tribes, such as Ngapuhi, do not like Tainui whatever, and never will – it is not their King.
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:22am
  - Unity
    
    Do they need a Maori King? Prior to the Treaty they didn’t have any one person in charge (e.g. King or Queen). Why do they need a Maori King in this day and age? We are supposed to be one. We’ve had Maori as Governor Generals, other Leaders etc. We have Maori MPs and leading in all walks of life. Surely having a Maori King is racist. None of the other ethnicities have a specific Leader.
    
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    September 2, 2024 12:52pm
    - leoj
      
      Prior to 1840 each tribe had a chief.
      
      Suddenly there is a king?
      
      And all this talk of colonialism being so so bad for maori….
      
      I guess they like it both ways yet hard to follow their logic.
      
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      September 2, 2024 1:38pm
      - gravedodger
        
        Suddenly in early 1850s after he went to London where he met Queen Vic, Te Rauparaha Jnr set out to create a King.
        Universal rejection from almost every tribal leader until they pressured an old man near end of days to begin the Dynasty.
        The rest they say is History as created by Maori for Maori.
        They only got around to building a Palace at Ngaruawahia just before the 1929 crash.
        
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        September 2, 2024 3:42pm
  - backster
    
    No keep it in the family Mahuta/Ormsby.
    
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    September 2, 2024 1:37pm
  - cmm
    
    If the kingi is to be a real Maori king then it will be sorted the Maori way: might is right.
    
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    September 2, 2024 4:22pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Probably.
  Just another chapter in The Chronicles of Nania.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:30am
  - jacthecat
    
    Tipa Mahuta will be looking for a new job, to go with the other half-dozen sinecures she has already.
    
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    September 2, 2024 12:53pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  It should be his daughter. The Turangawaewae Marae is just a walk for me. I might go and check things out.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:54am
- PurplePen
  
  The whole concept is anachronistic. What nation or group anywhere in the last 150 years has thought, let’s establish a royal family and kingdom. If anything, across all royal family’s the reverse is happening. The idea will splutter along for a few more decades and quietly be assigned to a dusty corner in library history section where it belongs along with the rest.
  
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  September 2, 2024 10:35am
  - Mike
    
    Apart from Greece, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia and a few more, very few.
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:30am
    - gravedodger
      
      They were flirting with a reinstatement of a monarchy much as The UK decided after the Cromwell experiment in bringing back Charles the 2nd?
      
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      September 2, 2024 3:44pm
- John Loveridge
  
  It seems the immediate male heir and his spare aren’t really the right material for the Kumara Throne. But can they simply be brushed aside in favour of a usurper?
  
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  September 2, 2024 4:14pm
  - Manu-Rau
    
    Yes, they can.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:37pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

If a business was completely in breach of its resource consent for the best part of a decade, the Council would throw the book at it.

The Council is in breach of its resource consent and all you get is reports.

Perhaps the relevant businesses should take the Council to court for failure to deliver on their obligations, not to mention wasting rate payers money.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350397117/22million-council-pipe-thats-been-blocked-9-years
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September 2, 2024 8:01am
- Dougal10
  
  Making highly paid staff truely responsible for feckups like this would help.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:30am
- Colville
  
  Napier Council chose not to do the maintenance to save money…the pipe blocked.
  Hawkes Bay Regional Council choose not to prosecute them for ongoing breach of their Recourse Consent.
  Napier Council then use the excuse that their Waste Water plant is overloaded (because its processing the trade waste ) as the reason they cant expand their residential land area.
  Utter. Total. Morons.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:39am
  - Jethrod
    
    Gosh!!! Imagine the 9 year backup/backlog!!!
    
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    September 2, 2024 10:27am
    - Dougal10
      
      They are probably trucking it around the blockage in new Kenworths.
      
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      September 2, 2024 10:40am
      - Colville
        
        They have rerouted the trade waste (mainly tallow type animal waste) into the domestic system… so then the domestic system is overloaded.
        
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        September 2, 2024 12:11pm
- MCōs
  
  Reading between the lines this pipe is a white elephant because it wasn’t laid to a steep enough grade and is always going to be a problem
  
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  September 2, 2024 10:38am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    That part of Napier is flat; there’s nothing new about that. You would think that suitable pumps would have been specified.
    
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    September 2, 2024 10:57am
- thirteenstars
  
  Not just that. Councils everywhere allow safety hazards to exist in their facilities that if they were done by a private entity would result in fines and legal action so harsh it would likely put them put of business.
  
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  September 2, 2024 11:38am
Scott

Another day, another 6 hostages murdered. The 6 mostly young people were kidnapped on October 7th and were alive only a few days ago. They were executed by shooting a day or two before Israeli troops arrived to rescue them.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/09/six-hostages-murdered.php

So while Hamas is supposedly negotiating to an end of the war and freeing the hostages they murder 6 hostages in cold blood.
I’m reading a new book by Daniel Pipes “Israel Victory”. Pipes says that Hamas and the people of Gaza do not want a two state solution. They have been brought up to hate Israel and they want Israel destroyed.

It’s also interesting to me that people in NZ, who think they are enlightened “good people” are happy to come out on Sunday mornings and wave their Gaza flags. Even though the leaders of Gaza have just murdered 6 innocent Israelis in cold blood. The mind set of the NZers who still support Hamas is incomprehensible?

Hamas does not want a two state solution. They want Israel destroyed. That’s just a fact!
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September 2, 2024 8:04am
- Grunter
  
  Yes, I agree, Hamas hates Israelis and doesn’t want a 2-State “solution”.
  
  IMO
  The same goes for Israel. They hate Palestinians and they also don’t want a 2-State solution.
  
  Both have tried to live in a kind of apartheid state over the years. Divided to various degrees into Jews and Arabs, which was never going to work.
  
  Now they are both into the eradication game – looking to somehow eliminate the other and form a 1-State solution that doesn’t include the other at all.
  
  This has been going on for 2,000 years, and won’t end in our lifetime.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:29am
  - Colville
    
    We saw when there were tens of thousands of Gazans homeless that NO ONE in the Arab world wanted to take them in…maybe because they are a just a cunch of horrible bunts?
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:42am
    - Jack5
      
      There are up to half a million Palestinians or Palestinian descendants in Chile. These folk are overwhelmingly Christians.
      
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      September 2, 2024 10:25am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yes, they have expelled all the Christians from ‘Palestine’, and there are still some living there, but in fear of ongoing persecution by their Muslim countrymen.
        
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        September 2, 2024 10:39am
      - Spoff
        
        Minister of the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church in Bethlehem, Rev Dr Munther Isaac on the historic relationship between Palestinian Muslims and Christians:
        https://youtu.be/ACHXwG_LVwk
        
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        September 2, 2024 3:29pm
  - Scott
    
    Grunter – don’t agree. The Israelis are not taught to hate the Palestinians. Many are liberal and want to live in peace. They have tried appeasement, they have tried aid to lift living standards, they withdrew from every square inch of Gaza in an effort for peace.
    
    But they got Oct 7th. There is one side that wanted peace with their neighbours , there is another side that wanted the destruction of their neighbours.
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:16am
- artemisia
  
  Too risky to let them tell their stories?
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:43am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Rather “Unusual” to eliminate your Major Bargaining Chip.?
    Like a lot with this War, Things do not make a lot of sense Media wise.
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:18am
    - Drone
      
      MM probably victims of friendly fire, hard to tell the difference between people from a drone cam.
      
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      September 2, 2024 12:22pm
- rouppe
  
  I see that there have been large scale protests in the streets demanding Netanyahu reach a case fire “to bring the hostages home”.
  
  I’ve not seen one cease fire proposal where Hamas immediately releases ALL the hostages. All I’ve ever seen is that they’ll release some, then a few weeks later maybe some more.
  
  We all know that in those intervening weeks Hamas would simply make another attack and it would all collapse.
  
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  September 2, 2024 10:03am
  - Paulus
    
    In no way will Hamas release any live hostages – to them it would be called a defeat and they and All Arabs would condemn them for that.
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:27am
- thirteenstars
  
  “Hamas does not want a two state solution. ”
  
  I wouldn’t advise a TSS and hopefully the Israeli government and people know how dangerous it would be since that’s effectively what they’ve had for 20 years since the Gaza withdrawal.
  
  Israel–a country *half* the size of Canterbury–would find itself surrounded not only by large antagonistic neighbours but intimately in contact with three rocket-launching, suicide-bombing entities in the form of Gaza, West Bank and Lebanon. That is, how would it be any different than now?
  
  No, Israel needs to settle the current situation and then reengage with Saudi for the peace deal that was derailed by the Oct. 7 attacks, its likely intent. Iran may enjoy another revolution at some point in the next decade and that will ease tensions considerably.
  
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  September 2, 2024 11:45am
  - waikatosinger
    
    Hamas have killed the possibility of a 2 state solution. That is what Gaza was supposed to be.
    
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    September 2, 2024 12:39pm
    - kowtow
      
      Yes at the behest of the Mullah regime in Tehran.
      
      The Saturday marching scarf wearers are willfully blind to this.
      
      That makes them collaborators with evil.
      
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      September 2, 2024 1:39pm
- Handyman
  
  Actually there were two states already. Israel had done everything the Palestinians wanted for Gaza. They had forcibly removed the Jewish settlements and the Jewish people, removed all Israeli military from Gaza. They established relations with Gaza like any other country, with normal border control and work visas etc. They did not build a border wall. It was a free Gaza.
  It was good trial run for a possible eventual West Bank solution.
  
  The Gaza people used the time (and UN money) to build tunnels and rockets to launch an attack on Israel.
  Hamas supporters say that if only Israel didn’t strike back, Gaza people could live in peace. Been there; didn’t work.
  
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  September 2, 2024 1:20pm
  - kowtow
    
    And Hezbollah has militarised southern Lebanon, with an illegal state within a state . Again an Iranian proxy and has been relentlessly attacking Israel since Oct 7 .
    
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    September 2, 2024 1:49pm
- AitchW
  
  To call them hostages is disingenuous. Hostages normally have chance of being freed for some consideration specified by the captors.
  Hamas have, and never did have, any intention of letting the hostages go free.
  At best they are bargaining chips. What they have seen and experienced Hamas cannot and will not allow to be revealed.
  God help them.
  
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  September 2, 2024 3:38pm
artemisia

Interesting photos in this Herald article today –

‘Heartbreaking’: Patients queue in cold from 6 am to see doctor (Front page headline, slightly less ‘heartbreaking’ headline on the actual article).

No further comment on the photos. But how did once extreme terms like ‘heartbreaking’ and devastated’ become so common they no longer have much meaning. And don’t get me started on ‘decimated’.
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September 2, 2024 8:04am
- kowtow
  
  A scan of the people in that queue reveals most of them could do an awful lot for their own health, by laying off the Coke and donuts.
  
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  September 2, 2024 8:14am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I can’t afford coke. I just snort the donut.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:55am
    - artemisia
      
      I think that might be icing sugar. Still there is always the Pablo Escoburger banned from the Wellington burger comp because it had a line on top along with a rolled up $100 bill. Just as well they were both fake or the offended would really have had a point.
      
      Last I saw the cafe had sold 3,500 of them. Streisand Effect.
      
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      September 2, 2024 10:56am
    - Colville
      
      Chris Rock on Krispy Creme Doughnuts…
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPnMAVZ0wUg
      
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      September 2, 2024 12:55pm
- pdm
  
  Have a look at what my colleague M T Tinman said over at No Minister.
  https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/09/02/early-morning-sidewalk/
  
  More Media bullshit exposed.
  
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  September 2, 2024 8:17am
  - artemisia
    
    Actually there was a photo early this morning, since disappeared. Timestamped 6:40, one person in the queue.
    
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    September 2, 2024 8:25am
    - pdm
      
      arty I have a recollection of Hosking earlier this morning talking about people queuing from 6am at Otara.
      
      Got the info from the Herald article I guess.
      
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      September 2, 2024 8:40am
  - Local Miller
    
    Besides regular doctors, it’s also an “urgent care” clinic. In other words, they specifically cater for walk ins, and on some days there are going to be more than a few walk ins.
    
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    September 2, 2024 4:25pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Add genocide to the list.
  
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  September 2, 2024 8:21am
  - kowtow
    
    They’re queuing up for a dose of old fashioned “settler colonialism” , disloyal collaborators that they are.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:16am
- I remember when
  
  ‘Decimated’ – what has happened to belief in the Press.
  
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  September 2, 2024 8:39am
  - Paulus
    
    But this is where decimated started, and when I learned Latin for some years at school.
    Latin, Decem (10)
    “kill one in every ten of (a group of people, originally a mutinous Roman legion) as a punishment for the whole group.
    “the man who is to determine whether it be necessary to decimate a large body of mutineers”
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:32am
    - imalwaysright
      
      “the man who is to determine whether it be necessary to decimate a large body of mutineers”
      
      Sounds like what Seymour wants to do with the public service.
      Its a great tactic , if it doesn’t work the first time then you do it a second time…
      
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      September 2, 2024 12:35pm
- Flossie
  
  Don’t get me started on my current pet moan i.e. everyone who ever appeared on TV or in a sports team is a “star”. Oh yes and how people “break their silence”. I may have mentioned that before perhaps??
  
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  September 2, 2024 8:40am
  - Swifty
    
    “The xyz community is outraged at what a National MP posted on social media….”
    
    “The abc township is reeling after the death of a local dog on the weekend….”
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:18am
  - pdm
    
    No Flossie – not always Stars.
    
    Regularly those (so called) stars are elevated to Legend status.
    
    Often I, a follower of most Sport generally, have never heard of them.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  No room for bomb shell findings
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Blitzkreig is the “in” word this week….
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/veteran-activists-call-to-unite-against-coalition-governments-blitzkrieg-on-maori-rights/D3B7W4ZWUFDZJOBV5A5YPXZP7U/
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:18am
    - Swifty
      
      Blitzkreig is a word I’d use to describe Ardern’s ACTUAL Maori outcomes achieved – in health, education, being victims of crime, economic performance, how much new public debt she signed Maori up to (as well as the rest of us) and division she caused among various communities – but we didn’t hear a peep out of the activists 2017-23.
      
      It’s completely political – and ‘the activists’ should be mocked and ridiculed for their double-standards.
      
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      September 2, 2024 9:23am
      - sherp
        
        I just have to thank the lefty activist who claom yo represent maori as a whole who never said a peep during cindys reign where healthcare, education, crime, etc all got worse and all disproportionately affected maori but the troughers were happy as they were on the gravy train…. now the future is looking better for their children but the gravy train is out of steam and they all pissy… shows where thier priorities lie
        
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        September 2, 2024 10:09am
      - Jack5
        
        If they are gonna talk wildly with terms like “blitzkreig” then …
        
        Was Ardern’s sudden axing of oil and gas exploration her economic Nero Decree for NZ?
        
        I’m thinking of the Nazi dictator’s (translated) near-last words about the German people: ” … it is not necessary to worry about their needs for elemental survival.”
        
        Germany would just have come out of winter when Hitler spoke. It can still be chilling in southern NZ this time of year, and the electrical heating people have been guided into is expensive. But what if there is none?
        
        In the far south, people are cold on top of billions of tons of underground coal and its gas after Ardern’s Nero Decree. And she’s in the Northern Hemisphere summer.
        
        “https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/sealing-third-reichs-downfall-adolf-hitlers-nero-decree
        
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        September 2, 2024 10:21am
      - Bloody Dago
        
        Any chance NZ could get a warning out to the American public that if they vote for Harse and the Marxist, they will suffer 4 years of Ardernism’s misery, pestilence and destruction. The election in progress in the US right now is another rerun of the 2017 one in NZ.
        
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        September 2, 2024 12:43pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      A Blitzkreig on BS is a good thing.
      
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      September 2, 2024 5:16pm
- rouppe
  
  The queue outside Ōtara Local Doctors and Urgent Care starts building from 6am, with those waiting telling the Herald that trying to secure an appointment with other GP clinics often means waiting weeks to be seen.
  
  As has been said more than once here, waiting a week is not uncommon when trying to book a gp appointment.
  
  So what’s really happening is that people are trying to see agp without an appointment.
  
  As an aside, i got an email saying my gp fees are going up. Perusing their services and fee schedule, i saw several where the increased fee didn’t apply if you were Maori or Pacifica.
  
  When are we going to eliminate racism in the health sector?
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:09am
  - Swifty
    
    I thought racial discrimination was unlawful in New Zealand.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:24am
    - Paulus
      
      Racism is unlawful in New Zealand except if you are Maori !
      
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      September 2, 2024 1:50pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Sorry to provide a rude awakening, but no, it’s actually celebrated. You need to have the right heritage and training to appreciate it but.
      
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      September 2, 2024 5:18pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    I think it may be that it is a more efficient use of the facility to not use an appointment system.
    If people don’t show for their specified time the staff may have to wait for the next one to turn up. Same if an appointment finishes early.
    Better having an uninterrupted supply.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:40am
    - rouppe
      
      Might be for the clinic.
      
      But for the public that means taking basically the whole day off work (assuming…) in order to save $25 (assuming they all have a csc) at the gp.
      
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      September 2, 2024 3:26pm
  - Paulus
    
    Our local Doctor’s Practice has just started by making an on phone open line on Sunday mornings as an experiment.
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:35am
- Gravelroad
  
  Can still hear the chief sub-editor at the daily newspaper complaining about the use of subjective descriptive terms, such as heartbreaking, dumped etc, used in reported text.
  Unless it is a direct quote from a person named in the news story.
  “The readers don’t care about what you (a first year out of training reporter) think of the situation. Just report the facts and let them make up their own minds about it.”
  That sort of expectation long gone now.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:17am
  - Swifty
    
    More’s the pity Gravelroad.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:25am
  - Jethrod
    
    I receive every evening , about 8pm, an email from “The Chief Content Officer- publishing ” , a person named Murray Kirkness, of the NZ HERALD.
    He submits the stories that he thinks are the Top Stories, today’s most popular articles and the stories “recommended ” for me.
    In the last week there has not been one story there in the recommendations that is purely political; just stories that show people’s despair with life in general.
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:35am
- cmm
  
  Weasel wording really. Maybe people started queuing at 6 (when the first person started the queue), but the photo was taken at, say, 7.30am when the queue was more substantial.
  
  But so what if people start queuing at 6am? Why is this heartbreaking?
  
  Oes, noes, people had to get out of bed!
  
  People in NZ have zero clue what it is like to actually do stuff that people in many other places find commonplace. NZers (especially Aotearoans) bitch and moan if everything isn’t handed to them on a plate.
  
  Around the world, hundreds of millions of kids get up before 6 to do chores then do a 90 minute commute to school (starting at 8 am). Every day. In NZ they bitch and moan about hardship if they have to walk 20 minutes and get there by 9.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:24am
  - MCōs
    
    hundreds of millions of kids live in shoebox in middle of road and get up before 6 to do chores on an empty stomach in bare feet with snow up to their armpits
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:51am
    - Jack5
      
      Is that a Thai vision of hell or of Heaven, Cosie?
      
      Snow up to your armpits in the hot tropics?🙃
      
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      September 2, 2024 10:36am
      - kowtow
        
        Climate change will do that ……
        
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        September 2, 2024 11:41am
    - cmm
      
      Well not entirely. Their mums would have got up at 5 to make breakfast and put some food in their bellies when they got back from their chores.
      
      Here they live in comfortable state house (far better than 90% of middle class families lived in in the 1950s), complain about everything and demand the school provides them food.
      
      I’d really like to take the wingeing class in NZ to live in Africa for a week and see if they could cut it.
      
      In the tribal rural areas, 7 year old boys are out herding cattle on their own for the whole day – rain or shine. They have to face snakes, wild animals etc. They have huge responsibility thrust upon their tiny shoulders. Here 18 year olds can’t even get themselves out of bed.
      
      Why do you deserve better just for the accident of being born in NZ and not Africa?
      
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      September 2, 2024 11:00am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    cmm all true, but should Kiwis really be comparing their services to those in third world countries? That kind of seems like a deflection for the steady slippage in standards that has occurred over the last few decades.
    
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    September 2, 2024 5:25pm
  - Ghost
    
    A few years ago I watched a, hmmm, cannot remember if it was a doco or a news story. Anyway. It was about the free health care group that travel around the USA. Before arriving in a town people started queuing two days before. There was one person in it who went every time they were in town for her chemo because she had no insurance.
    
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    September 2, 2024 5:30pm
- rouppe
  
  And after a closer look at all the complaints, we have Sonya Inifi
  
  She wanted more action from the Government.
  
  “It’s one of the major things that need to be reconsidered, especially the wait times.”
  
  Unfortunately a few paragraphs earlier we have
  
  The clinic’s community liaison manager, Lorenzo Kaisara, said the queue had progressively got worse in the five years he’d worked there.
  
  Remind me who was in power most of those 5 years?
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:31am
- Handyman
  
  Notice how “longstanding issues” and “historical underinvestment” under Labour has changed to everything being a “National shame” or “National embarrassment”.
  You can just hear the sniggers as the bloggers come up with these original and witty headlines.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:36am
- Ghost
  
  Hmmm, the article says primary care is on its knees. Is it? Or is just the usually busy flu season for some areas?
  
  I rang my gp half an hour ago, got an appointment in an hour.
  
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  September 2, 2024 10:07am
  - PurplePen
    
    Have never not been able to get an appointment with GP. But then it’s rare that I’ve ever actually needed one straight away, a few days or even a week later is fine. There’s never been a time when I’ve needed to see a GP that it must be straight away.
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:15am
- alloytoo
  
  There were 15-16 people in that queue.
  
  While somebody may have been since 6am (and stood in the dark) that queue is pretty typical of a 7:45-8am queue (which I suspect is when the photo was taken)
  
  Pity we can’t force the herald for a timestamp of the photo.
  
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  September 2, 2024 12:01pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  It can’t be 6am in Auckland because it is still quite dark at that hour – and certainly not today as no fog in that snap (couldn’t be arsed reading the article … free GP? With fatties outside on their smartphones?)
  
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  September 2, 2024 3:19pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Not a free GP (reasonably priced, not free)
    
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    September 4, 2024 8:46am
- John Loveridge
  
  I have often said that modern day journalists and reporters need to have all their adjectives surgically removed. That sort of headline belongs to the yellow press.
  
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  September 2, 2024 4:17pm
David Garrett

Another lovely day up here in the Kingdom…a very pleasant 23C, and a delicious scandal erupting over the appointment of our new Chief Justice possibly reaching a crescendo later today..
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September 2, 2024 8:05am
- David Garrett
  
  Those interested in details of the scandal should Google Kaniva Tonga
  
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  September 2, 2024 8:11am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    I like it how they treat Sodomy and beastiality the same way in the kingdom….
    
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    September 2, 2024 8:21am
  - Dave
    
    For those puzzled by DG cryptic comment, here’s a key quote about the new Chief Justice from TalanoaTonga.
    
    The controversy stems from the disclosure that Bishop lived openly as a gay man with his late partner, Anthony Vander Woerd, for 51 years.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Goodness, at 80 years old, you’d be hoping he gets a chance to enjoy some down time in the Friendly Isles.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:02am
  - David Garrett
    
    Maggy: Yes…God only knows why he would want to come here at age 80…Contrary to what many think, the Supreme [High Court equivalent] Court is very busy over here. Mr Bishop has taken on a 50 or 60 hour a week job…with possible habeus corpus applications on Saturday night or Sunday morning.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What? It’s meant to get to 21 here in little old Dunedin today
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:04am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I’ve been down for the weekend and can confirm the weather is great. Might have to relocate the batch from Russell. That said, I haven’t checked the water temperature.
    
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    September 2, 2024 10:03am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Haha, the sea is about 13 degrees
      
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      September 2, 2024 12:17pm
- Gravelroad
  
  I visited Tonga a few years ago to attend a conference.
  Interesting place.
  We were told by several locals, guides, hosts etc that Tonga is run by the three R’s.
  Royalty
  Religion
  Rugby
  Does that still apply?
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:48am
  - imalwaysright
    
    ” …three R’s.
    Royalty
    Religion
    Rugby”
    
    Apparently there’s one more:
    
    aRse
    
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    September 2, 2024 10:05am
  - hookerphil
    
    I remember – 2004 – having to go past the very flash NZ High Commissioners residence next door to the dump where lots of people were scavenging amongst the rubbish and the roaming pigs.
    
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    September 2, 2024 10:07am
    - David Garrett
      
      hooker: Indeed,…and it was a very brave or stupid man who got between the dump pigs and their food! As you will have observed, some of them were as tall as a Great Dane and weighed more than a man. All closed now in favour of a recycling centre and waste management facility.
      
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      September 2, 2024 10:33am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The dump pigs would be a great name for a band methinks.
        
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        September 2, 2024 5:29pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Gravel: While Royalty is still a big part of Tongan culture, the Royals’ power is much diminished since control of the parliament largely moved in favour of the commoners in 2010. I say largely because the King still must approve the members of the cabinet, and the Royal Assent to legislation passed in parliament is not automatic as it is in practice in NZ for all practical purposes.
    
    As for religion, the greatly reduced grip the churches now have on particularly young people is one of the main changes I have noted after 20 years away. My two secretaries – both very smart young women – go to church when THEY wish to, not on Daddy’s orders, which was the case 20 years ago.
    
    (All singles live with their parents until married. There is no flatting culture here).
    
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    September 2, 2024 10:38am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Thanks.
      What about the rugby?
      At the time I was there, the Tongan rugby team played the All Blacks (in NZ).
      There was a public holiday declared in Nuku’alofa and the locals spent all day and night driving round in various decorated vehicles yelling out support for their team.
      Visited the NZ High Commission who were busy organizing a special TV connection so that the locals could watch the game live.
      Tonga team not successful, but party was good.
      
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      September 2, 2024 11:08am
    - John Loveridge
      
      I sailed to Tonga on a family friend’s large yacht some 30 years ago and spent several weeks puttering about, but I haven’t been there since. One of the outstanding impressions on my young mind was the absolute death of the place on a Sunday, churches excepted. Is it still that way?
      
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      September 2, 2024 4:21pm
  - Lance
    
    I remember variouls parking spaces downtown reserved for members of the royal family.
    I assume they are still there?
    
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    September 2, 2024 10:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jack Smith continues with his nonsense. Does he really think he can get Trump jailed?
Come 2025 he is going to be one sorry little boy.

https://conservativeadvocacy.com/jack-smiths-tactics-blur-line-between-legal-action-and-political-vendetta/?
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September 2, 2024 8:08am
- nigel2010
  
  this is now true electoral interference and i (sorry I can’t say it with a straight face) can’t wait for AG Garland to issue an arrest warrant
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:47am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just watching an item about the Maori King and the funeral at Turangawaewae.
I see quite a few wearing the keffiyeh. What’s with that? I fail to see the connection.
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September 2, 2024 8:13am
- Dougal10
  
  Home country clothes.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:36am
- Positan
  
  Elementally Steve, it’s gallopingly instilled ignorance.
  
  Nelson City Council was petitioned by Palestinian supporters and by those who upheld the position of Israel. The positions were markedly different – the Israel crowd upheld all the council’s dictates as to speaking time and behaviour, whereas the Palestinian supporters abused their opportunity.
  
  NOTABLY, the Maori Ward councillor, Kahu Paki Paki, (269 total votes) refused even to listen to the Israel crowd’s submissions and somewhat aggressively, departed the chamber before they spoke.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:39am
- pdm
  
  Chloe and her Green mates have turned up.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:51am
  - kowtow
    
    But this local chieftan said there’s no principles , totally at odds with the far left position of the Greens.
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:46am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Question and Answer for Chloe and her mates. 1: Would you go and live in Palestine right now waving your LBQTXYZ flags enthusiastically like you do the Palestinian flag on NZ? 2: Thought not. 3: Why should all NZ citizens have to put up with Palestinian citizens plus the gullibles attempting to guilt trip the place. Why don’t they just piss off back to the Hamas wasteland they so richly deserve?
    
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    September 2, 2024 12:55pm
    - MCōs
      
      Having sympathy for how some people are treated in a far off nation doesn’t indicate a desire to go and live there
      You might think the Palestinians are getting their just desserts. Pretty much every attempted genocide or brutal subjugation is justified along those lines and on occasion might stir your blood too. Doesn’t mean you want to show your support by living among the ruins of the subjugated
      
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      September 2, 2024 2:51pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  I fail to see the connection.
  
  Palestinians have been oppressed by a White Colonial Settler class, so Maori know how they feel.
  
  It’s all about building class solidarity comrade, but with a new type of class basis called Intersectionality rather than the old pure Marxist one where the only oppressors were capitalists and the only oppressed were labour.
  
  We’re way beyond that now.
  
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  September 2, 2024 10:26am
  - Conservatarian
    
    I remember learning in 7th form history in the mid 1990s (the brief segment on NZ history before we got onto the serious business of Elizabethan England) that Maori, when they learned about Christian religion from the colonial era missionaries, quickly identified with Old Testament Jews.
    
    So they identify with both sides and ultimately with whoever can be commonly seen as the victim at the time?
    
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    September 2, 2024 10:42am
    - Matt Long
      
      There’s a bunch of group who have discovered they are the true Israelites, British Israelites, Black Israelites and Te Kooti’s followers found they were true Israelites too.
      Some of them have special hate for the “Idumeans” who inhabit Israel today, some might say all these anti Jew people are insane, others simply evil, but I couldn’t possibly comment.
      
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      September 2, 2024 1:01pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Correct – and the Ringatu faith, started by Te Kooti, is based around the psalms from the Old Testament. They do include teachings from the gospels & other New Testament books too.
      
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      September 2, 2024 1:06pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Extra Wharehouse over ordered Tea Towels//
  
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  September 2, 2024 11:27am
- Ghost
  
  Got a link? I haven’t seen anyone wearing a keffiyeh there.
  
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  September 2, 2024 12:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    2 hours 9 min in.
    
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/breakfast/live
    
    Yeah I know, why do I watch it? Because the speaker of the house likes it. Keep the queen bee happy and the whole hive is happy.
    
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    September 2, 2024 12:36pm
    - Ghost
      
      Ummm, there certainly isn’t “quite a few wearing the keffiyeh”. A muslim woman, her husband. A couple of people at most.
      
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      September 2, 2024 12:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
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        September 2, 2024 1:05pm
      - Ghost
        
        So to recap there is not quite a few people wearing a keffiyeh, there are a couple of muslims wearing it
        
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        September 2, 2024 1:27pm
- imalwaysright
  
  “What’s with that? I fail to see the connection?”
  
  Its in the same vein as stolen valour. They pretend to identify as or with another group by dressing like them in order to fool people into giving them sympathy or admiration.
  
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  September 2, 2024 2:08pm
  - MCōs
    
    There’s a big difference between identifying as and identifying with
    
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    September 2, 2024 3:00pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      That’s why I wrote both. Stolen valour is when they identify as.
      
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      September 2, 2024 3:25pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So the NZ left go with ‘as’ or ‘with’?
      There are many things that need fixing in NZ let alone kissing the bums of other Countries.
      Section 7AA for a start MCos.
      
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      September 2, 2024 3:58pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “What’s with that?”
  
  Posers.
  
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  September 2, 2024 5:30pm
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: Ask Not What Your Country Can Do for You.
Never forget what the State can and will do when its power is challenged.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-ask-not-what-your-country?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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September 2, 2024 8:15am
- Taieri
  
  Can’t read the post you linked – “This post is for paid subscribers”.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:36am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Weird Might be the new shut down system
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:49am
  - kevn
    
    Tai… Worked for me.
    
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    September 2, 2024 10:10am
    - Bridgenag
      
      The Tyler Fischer video is priceless
      
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      September 2, 2024 10:46am
I remember when

Canada’s Wildfires Were a Top Global Emitter Last Year, Study Says: NY Times.
“Only China, the United States and India produced more emissions from fossil fuel than the Canadian fires, according to the study,….”

So growing trees to help reduce global warming has its downside.
Especially when the vegetation around them is allowed to revert without control.
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September 2, 2024 8:36am
- kowtow
  
  Plenty of warnings right now , here , about the fad for carbon farming farms in pines . When they’re hit inevitably by fires , these “environmental , sustainable’ wonderfulnesses will be yet another man made disaster.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:19am
  - Dougal10
    
    Some have already burned , but it doesn’t suit the news editors narratives to talk about it.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:38am
  - cmm
    
    There’s even a worse fad of planting natives.
    
    Commercial farming makes some sense (assuming for a bit that the whole carbon thing is true). The vast majority of the carbon is captured in the wood and ends up captured in the buildings etc it goes into until the house burns down.
    
    In native forests:
    A) the growth rate is much slower so more effort for less results.
    B) the wood is not used commercially. When the tree eventually falls down it just rots, up converting much of the CO2 it absorbed into worse methane.
    
    But guess which Wellington city council (and other virtue signalling organisations) do to “offset” their CO2 emissions.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:47am
- cmm
  
  Naah, Canada’s wildfires are accounted as carbon neutral because the trees will grow again soaking up all the carbon.
  
  What happens on the carbon accounting spreadsheet is not necessarily what happens in the atmosphere though.
  
  And you’re forgetting the millions of tons of methane emitted by leaves rotting on the forest floor. Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:31am
  - Matt Long
    
    You’re forgetting, CMM, the methane from swamps and forest litter and wild animals is the good kind of non warming methane, unlike the catastrophic methane from domestic animals.
    
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    September 2, 2024 1:05pm
    - cmm
      
      Yup, when the same species of bacteria in a wildebeest or bison emit methane it is fine.
      
      Put a fence around them and call them cows and suddenly all the chemistry changes.
      
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      September 2, 2024 2:21pm
- Handyman
  
  If you use a paper bag in the supermarket, you will get the carbon back into the atmosphere within weeks after your weekly rubbish collection. The tree that produced the pulp that made the paper bag was planted about 25 years ago so the effort to capture carbon was a giant waste of effort.
  The tree that produced your paper bag was only grown to harvest carbon credits on steep unstable sheep country. The slash from your tree slash exacerbated the recent flooding on the East Coast.
  
  That is why I choose to sequester the carbon of supermarket bags by using plastic bags. The carbon will be locked up for centuries.
  
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  September 2, 2024 10:12am
- sherp
  
  Yea weird how port hills land that used to be sheep farms is now owned by property developers who make enough money by just watching their land values rise and never graze the hills…. all that dry long grass of course doesn’t increase the chance of fire.. it’s all climate change.
  
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  September 2, 2024 10:16am
  - Quail
    
    Loss of sheep is huge in NZ. One farming paper just this week is bemoaning the loss of one million ewes in this country,
    Sheep have clothed and fed humans for thousands of years.And also their grazing habits have reduced the spread of weeds including wilding pines throughout non arable land.
    Their exports have made a huge contribution to the wealth of this country . Meat and wool.
    Sadly with globalisation NZ is happy now to accept the crumbs offered by tourism and immigration.
    NZ productivity has tanked and the sheep is the major casualty.
    
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    September 2, 2024 8:25pm
- Bloody Dago
  
  Why is it that Canadian bush fires seemed to go in straight line along the US border. Ohhh not this year the local greenie arsonists have retired because they haven’t got anything to burn.
  
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  September 2, 2024 12:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How long before this catches on in NZ? People learning trade skills end up paying loan forgiveness of those with political science degrees or a degree in underwater basket weaving? The carpenters, welders, plumbers, sparkies, concreters etc are going to be right pissed off. When something needs fixing you don’t call a Marxist professor.
You can guarantee it is on the cards for Labour in 2026.

https://conservativeadvocacy.com/bailing-out-the-lecture-halls-tradesmen-reject-funding-student-loan-forgiveness/?
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September 2, 2024 8:42am
fightingtemeraire

Quondam Rex, Futurusque Rex.
The Once and Future King.

Read it as a kid. TH White.
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September 2, 2024 8:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

This extension of time into the misuse of Census data may have escaped your notice…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/526637/deadline-extended-for-stats-nz-s-investigation-into-misuse-of-census-data-claims?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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September 2, 2024 9:06am
- imalwaysright
  
  From article:
  “The eventual findings would be shared with police, Public Service Commission and the wider public, Sowden said”
  
  Sounds arse about visage to me.
  Shouldn’t the police be the only investigator?
  
  If there was the accusation of a crime elsewhere would the police stand by whilst the potential participants conducted their own investigation?
  
  This is bizarre.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:27am
- cmm
  
  Maori data = Maori IP = Maori can do whatever they want.
  
  “”It’s vital the people of New Zealand can trust that when they provide their information to us it is held securely and is only used for the authorised purposes.”
  
  That ship sailed a while back I think.
  
  The way I see it you may as well have handed out your data to a telemarketer from India.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:51am
- Jack5
  
  The Stats Department’s record is poor.
  
  Census problems and a web site that’s a mess to navigate. The site would be an ideal artificial-intelligence project for advanced students at a trifle of the cost the Royal Society of NZ wastes on pseudo-science.
  
  Where to start? New management?
  
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  September 2, 2024 10:02am
rouppe

Vandals smash windows on The Terrace

More giving back from social housing tenants in the area.
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September 2, 2024 9:40am
- cmm
  
  Funny how they never break into a Whitcoulles and steal school supplies.
  
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  September 2, 2024 9:52am
  - pdm
    
    Or Dictionaries, Thesaurus’, Atlas’ etc.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:54am
    - cmm
      
      Not even recipe books.
      
      Did you do grocers’ apostrophes to wind up DG?
      
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      September 2, 2024 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Colouring books and crayons are the target.
    
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    September 2, 2024 4:29pm
- MCōs
  
  Might have been a Man U supporter
  Or a celebrating Liverpool fan
  
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  September 2, 2024 10:01am
  - artemisia
    
    Maybe not a fan of mushrooms.
    
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    September 2, 2024 10:50am
  - rouppe
    
    Might have been a piece of a disintegrating Boeing Starliner ricochet of the road.
    
    But it wasn’t
    
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    September 2, 2024 1:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“Kamala Harris Scolded Donald Trump About Arlington, So Trump Dropped Eight Videos in Response”
She got a right pasting from Darin Hoover, father of one of the 13 killed.
Jaclyn Schmitz also dressed her down. The eight videos from the Gold Star Parents are well worth a watch.
The whole thing backfired on Harris.

https://discernreport.com/kamala-harris-scolded-donald-trump-about-arlington-so-trump-dropped-eight-videos-in-response/?
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September 2, 2024 9:49am
kevn

I found this an interesting summary of Ukraine…
https://x.com/KennedyForTheW/status/1829965989385290225
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September 2, 2024 10:11am
- kevn
  
  and this…
  https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/globalists-are-trying-escalate-ukraine-war-wwiii-us-election
  
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  September 2, 2024 10:28am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Wonder why all the Down Ticks Kevn?
    
    Bang on in my books and appears to be the obvious conclusion.
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:37am
    - kevn
      
      MM… Indeed, must be ‘over the target’ as they say.
      
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      September 2, 2024 12:10pm
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      Lefty posers strongly dislike Zero Hedge. Probably an artificial pile-on from the fake accounts of a certain well known lefty on here.
      
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8 year old dies in “altercation” with 37 year old.

An altercation is a fight or a quarrel. That kinda implies a reasonably balanced conflict.

For instance, you wouldn’t say that a 37 year old had a fight with a baby.

It is hard to comprehend any situation where a 37 year old ends up killing an 8 year old and that is an “altercation”.

All I can think of is that two adults were in a fight and somehow the kid got killed as a side effect.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350399643/eight-year-old-boy-dies-after-violent-altercation-hamilton
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September 2, 2024 10:21am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Whomever wrote that it was an “altercation” needs to apologise. It may have been a simple mistake but usually this is done by lefty media to cover for an important truth they want to hide.
  
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  September 2, 2024 5:39pm
cmm

The teachers are complaining about the timesccales for the introduction of the new numeracy and literacy teaching.

“Among them was Robyn Brown from the Upper Hutt Principals Association, who told RNZ the Government was rushing the new English and maths curriculums and providing too little support.”

Too little support? You’re supposed to be professional educators. You don’t need to be spoon fed! You should be able to learn everything in a couple of days – a week at the outside.

“”The principals that I’m talking to, everybody is like, ‘this is insane’,” she said.”
“I don’t know any principals that I’ve spoken to that have actually gone ‘actually this is great’. ”

What? Do people really hand over their kids to a school where the principal – the top teacher in the school – speaks like that?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350399655/governments-new-maths-and-literacy-curriculum-plans-insane-principals-say

NZ parents: IMHO it is child abuse to hand over your children to a system that poorly flawed.
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  You would think they were being asked to teach, in Mandarin, quantum physics, and String theory.
  
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  September 2, 2024 10:39am
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  The new curriculum still comes from the same ministry staff that the old one came from, just going in a slightly different direction with the encouragement of the new minister. If this principal doesn’t get that she isn’t fit for her job .
  
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  September 2, 2024 11:02am
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    I think that the way she speaks indicates she is unfit for the job.
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:27am
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    But it is clear that the Education Department do not want to have anything to do with the new Minister, and the elected Governments decision about improving education, which remains piss poor thanks to their collective unionised Marxist acolytes called Teachers.
    They remain a disgrace overall, but some good ones say nothing, as it will affect their careers.
    Better ones join Private Schools where they see their results and are proud of them.
    
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    September 2, 2024 2:04pm
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  cmm … I don’t believe the system is “poorly flawed” at all, in fact it is greatly flawed.
  
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  September 2, 2024 2:06pm
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  “Upper Hutt Principals Association” – who is the Patron, Chris Hipkins or his mum.
  
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  September 2, 2024 5:45pm
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You can help!

[This fellow is a great critical thinker IMO]

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September 2, 2024 11:14am
cmm

I don’t care a jot of rugby or concern myself about which team wins, but I find some of this interesting.

Why should the haka expect respect by people in a far away land?

Yes, there was a time when the haka was part of the theatre of rugby, but is that still the case?

The only time I have every watched in international rugby match in person was watching the NZ rebel team at Ellis Park, Johannesburg in South Africa in 1986. Since they were not an official NZ team they were not allowed to wear the All Blacks uniform or perform the haka.
The team did a haka anyway, which was enthusiastically cheered by the crowd – I suppose because it was an indication that this was a “real” NZ team that was about to be defeated.

It seems that the NZ rubgy players and officials expect the whole world to bow to their wokeness.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350399885/all-blacks-v-springboks-ellis-park-haka-response-under-scrutiny
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September 2, 2024 11:26am
- lifesgood
  
  I detest the haka. I can’t for the life of me see why our country should be represented by a maniacal war dance. It’s down right embarrasing. Makes us look like a bunch of primitives.
  
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  September 2, 2024 11:44am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Its turned into a “we’re special and you better watch us” moment.
    The Fijian and Tongan ones are very good.
    
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    September 2, 2024 1:39pm
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    I also detest it and refuse to watch it , at any time.
    Ugly, jingoistic rubbish.
    
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    September 2, 2024 2:34pm
- David Garrett
  
  cmm: At least the haka prior to a rugby match is being performed in appropriate circumstances, viz. as a challenge prior to the modern equivalent of a battle.
  
  Personally I find it utterly embarrassing when something similar – with much eye rolling and tongue pointing – is done as a supposed “welcome” for overseas personages.
  
  I remember cringing with embarrassment many years ago when the band Dire Straits was “welcomed” with such a performance at Auckland airport. The “welcome” included one of the overweight welcoming party shoving Dire Straits guitarist Mark Knoffler – to his utter bewilderment.
  
  By all means welcome those from overseas with a totally incomprehensible powhiri if they must,,,,but eye rolling and tongue extending should be done away with. Without some instruction, no-one from another culture would see that a welcome.
  
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  September 2, 2024 11:52am
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    DG you would have loved the performance at one of my clients’ offices.
    
    It is an international company and their new American CEO absolutely drips with wokeness. As soon as he came onboard they added 3 “wellness” staff in their NZ office alone, quotes Mandela in his inspirational speeches etc.
    
    So when he came to NZ for his first visit as CEO they decided they need to give him a “proper Maori welcome”.
    
    The office has approx 5 to 10% Maori staff – none of whom can speak the lingo or knew anything about proper protocols etc (or at least would not admit to it). Some of them could sing a few works of greeting so long as they were allowed to mumble most of it. Judging from the size of one of them, she’s probably also skillful at unwrapping a hangi.
    
    Thankfully though there were two white guys – one NZ born and the other an immigrant from South Africa – who were reasonably fluent in Maori and had a reasonable understanding of protocol. They ended up with doing the “genuine Maori welcome” with which the CEO was enchanted no end.
    
    I was invited, but I doubt I could have bitten my tongue through the whole ceremony.
    
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    September 2, 2024 4:45pm
- MCōs
  
  On this occasion whoever wrote the headline seems to have been the most upset at what happened at Ellis Park
  The players take more notice of the reaction of opposition team
  There was an occasion when John Eales Australian team feigned indifference, turned their backs, did a few warmups and were promptly thrashed by an incensed All Black team 43-6 at Athletic Park
  I’ve never heard of any opposition AB or not getting riled up because a crowd of upper class poms sang a Negro spiritual at Twickers
  
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  September 2, 2024 12:06pm
- T for Tim
  
  If I was playing them I would turn my back on them./
  
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  September 2, 2024 7:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“Ford Motor Company has become the latest big name to finally wake up and smell the coffee.”
Go woke, go broke.

https://pjnewsletter.com/massive-american-company/?
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September 2, 2024 11:46am
Benedict Yu

Does anyone know the identity of this blogger?

https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/08/climate-change-james-shaws-legacy-keeps.html

I am just curious because his (I assume it is a male but maybe not) communist madness is something to behold. 🙂
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September 2, 2024 12:27pm
- Swifty
  
  Malcolm Harbrow.
  
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  September 2, 2024 1:15pm
Notsofast

The Australian government has instructed federally funded libraries to groom children 5 years and older into trans identities with lanyards and pronouns. Mike Hosking discussed this on his show.
No doubt Matt Doocey will strive for the same policy here in his bid to create a mentally ill population for his ministry.
Here is detail into the results to be expected, from an expert.

https://x.com/Psychgirl211/status/1830280563908894828?t=ji2Y1FrAlrn_864UQ8XplA&s=09

“The neo-religion of gender ideology now derives its ‘legitimacy’ from the shaky foundations of the ‘transgender child’. But the both the ‘trans child‘ and gender ideology are absurd, contradictory and nightmarish concepts.
Yet the nightmare is now a reality and the consequence of accepting that children can be ‘trans’ means accepting that they can be the subject of barbaric and mutilating surgeries; that they can be routinely sterilised; and that naturally-timed puberty is an illness which must be corrected by savage, experimental, medical interventions.”

And so on, a very detailed essay.
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September 2, 2024 1:43pm
- mandk
  
  Not a bad idea.
  
  The lanyards could say “mentally deranged”.
  
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  September 2, 2024 2:36pm
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    The adults are abusing the children.
    Disgusting.
    
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    September 2, 2024 6:22pm
Swifty

While I realise this post may sail a bit too close to the wind, perhaps Maori having a life expectancy lower than their European and Indian and Chinese counterparts is to do with factors other than a racist health system.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350399643/rest-eternal-love-eight-year-old-boy-killed-hamilton-named-relative
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September 2, 2024 1:50pm
- mandk
  
  Racism has little, if anything to do with it.
  
  If you want to know why Māori have relatively low life expectancy, compared to the rest of the population, take a look at the results of the NZ Health Survey.
  
  The results show that Māori are several times more likely than other population groups to smoke, drink hazardously and use amphetamines.
  
  It would be good to life expectancy numbers standardised for these behaviours, but I suspect they wouldn’t suit the narrative.
  
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  September 2, 2024 2:27pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Grey
  I think there are over 6000 of them at a gathering at the moment. I’m sure they will have that on the agenda……………..
  
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  September 2, 2024 3:38pm
- cmm
  
  Loser behavior (aka poor decision making) tends to cluster.
  
  The same people who end up choosing poor health practices also tend to make poor financial choices, poor career choices, poor educational choices, poor relationship choices, poor behaviour that leads to legal trouble, etc etc etc.
  
  All the opportunities are there to be healthy, be economically successful, be educated, make a budget, stay out of trouble etc etc etc. Just have to make a few good choices.
  
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  September 2, 2024 4:51pm
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    I quite agree.
    
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    September 2, 2024 5:32pm
Sparrow

Something totally different. I drove up to Whangarei on Saturday unexpectedly it was beautiful weather. I travel there many times a month and have got use to the road works on the Brynderwyns and on the entry to Whangarei with both going on for years. Absolutely no work being carried out at either place. Surely the work should be carried out 7 days a week I would argue 24/7 as happens overseas. Why do we suffer from this awful work ethic. Is it lack of people, having to pay penalty rates its nuts. Suspect this occurs throughout New Zealand. Projects taking years there is no urgency.
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September 2, 2024 2:02pm
- Colville
  
  Lack of staff.
  
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  September 2, 2024 2:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Lack of people who won’t work.
    
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    September 2, 2024 4:50pm
- Conservatarian
  
  There’s obviously a reluctance (or no need) to put road cones away overnight or over the weekend , hence the frequent malaise experienced by a taxpayer of driving through intervals of road cones which protect invisible workers. Or perhaps it is a legal requirement to have the cones from go-to-woah during a project.
  
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  September 2, 2024 2:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If you put the road cones away at night they breed.
    100 becomes 1000 in the morning, so where shall they be stored? On the roadside of course!
    Then some road cones just don’t want to be moved – so they lie down in the long grass so the road cone counter does not see them.
    
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    September 2, 2024 4:55pm
- mandk
  
  Perhaps NZ should introduce lane rents a spart of road maintenance contracts, i.e. charge the contractors for the time they occupy roads while they are working on them.
  
  I understand that they have reduced the time taken for repairs by around 50% in the UK.
  
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  September 2, 2024 2:34pm
cmm

According to something in The Telegraph, the UK police morale is low and they were losing frontline staff at an alarming and unprecedented rate.

That was back in June or July – before things really kicked off. I suspect the numbers are far worse now. It would be interesting to see what the numbers look like when they get reported at the end of this quarter.
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September 2, 2024 2:24pm
Ra Henare

Over many decades of consuming media reports of events(Some that I have been intimately involved in, on 2 occasions involving fatalities).

I am extremely suspicious of any media reports issued immediately or soon after the event.

On both occasions, of fatalities, I was able to correct media reports ascribed to police or indeed created by a journalist looking for a sensational headline.

IMHO it’s best to wait a minimum of 48 hours, preferably 7 days, to get a clear picture.

Recent items in that category are the assassination attempt of Donald Trump

And very recently, the deaths of 6 hostages in Gaza.
The first (so far only) reports are from the IDF publicity machine.

Who knows what actually happened. MSM are touting murdered by Hamas.

The small print from IDF say they were killed just before invading IDF troops(in a firefight) arrived at the scene.

It will be interesting to see if the hostages were
1. an unwitting side part of the firefight.
2. Executed by Hamas operatives to signal that rescue attempts by IDF would be hopeless
3. Executed by a pissed off wounded rebel
4. other
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September 2, 2024 2:37pm
- mandk
  
  DK about ‘other” but the responsibility would lie with Hamas regardless of whether it was 1, 2 or 3.
  
  The Israelis were only there because of what Hamas did on 7/10/23.
  
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  September 2, 2024 3:05pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    One could argue that the Israelis chose to be there, as Netanyahu is not interested in a negotiation to release hostages.
    
    You will be aware of the tens/hundreds of thousands of protesting Israelis who are pissed off with Netanyahus attitude.
    
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-01/ty-article/.premium/masses-rally-across-israel-demanding-gaza-deal-after-six-hostages-murdered/00000191-ae5b-d67c-a3bd-efdf0bec0000
    
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    September 2, 2024 5:25pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘rebel’ , “executed” ?
  
  No that would be ‘terrorist’ and ‘murdered’.
  
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  September 2, 2024 4:48pm
Swifty

The betrayal continues apace:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RNtguYw12HY

Elizabeth Rata on The Platform discussing the indigenising (decolonising) of our tertiary institutions which continues even under the Coalition.

If we’re not there already, soon you will not have a public service career in New Zealand unless you fully subscribe and pay homage to Maori wonderfulness and their superstitions.

It’s like Hitler’s Germany, Mao’s China or Stalin’s Soviet Union – you’ll get nowhere unless you’re a party member.

And it’s the Left that for decades has screamed for more tolerance.
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September 2, 2024 5:30pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  The uni will become a joke. People wanting a serious education will hunt around for BS-free options.
  
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  September 2, 2024 6:12pm
  - lifesgood
    
    all the smart kids are now going into apprenticeships.
    
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    September 2, 2024 7:13pm
- Scooter
  
  Next it will be a compulsory course in schools. Indoctrination is more effective the earlier you start.
  
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  September 2, 2024 7:45pm
hookerphil

Perhaps the longer name gave him the extra years.

Zahquiel John Thomas Patrick Taipeti.
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September 2, 2024 6:15pm
RichardX

I missed this response in the new evidence-free opinion piece from KIA on RFK over the weekend.
No point in trying to refute one person’s opinion so I didn’t believe the opinion piece itself deserved a response but the arrogance of passing off an opinion as anything more than that surprised me.

kiwi in america
Very academically rigorous of you. If I’m wrong about the 2020 election fraud then prove me wrong. Everyone who disagrees hides behind the failed law suits (which I addressed recently – 75% of election fraud cases where all the evidence was presented rather than dismissed with no hearing found in favour of Trump/GOP litigants) or just parrot talking points. Why don’t you do this: pick ONE claim, perhaps the one you find the most ridiculous, and rebut it and let’s have an intelligent grown up debate

September 2, 2024 9:54am

Your wordy rant on https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/the_lie_that_all_2020_election_fraud_cases_failed.html basically said “Trump won 21 cases not zero. He would have won more but for lawfare.”

It was another opinion piece unsupported by facts.

That is partly why I ignored it at the time but also, I was not aware of anyone claiming that all election fraud cases failed in 2020 so your opening premise was a strawman.

If you actually want to make the case that “lawfare” was the reason for such a meagre success rate you’ll need to present evidence for your claims.

Some of the cases you are putting in the “didn’t make it to court so can’t be classed as a loss” basket were withdrawn. That is not a win for Trump or evidence of “lawfare”.

When you express your opinion in the form of a bald ass claim such as “rejected for so-called lack of standing. This is a time-honoured way for a partisan Democrat controlled court to appear to be doing their job but in reality, they did not want to see Trump’s lawyers bringing forth any evidence of voter fraud.” without anything to support it, why would anyone bother spending time refuting it?

A better use of your time would be to look at the still current, still ongoing defamation cases resulting from the fraud claims made after the 2020 election.

How many of those have been dismissed or successfully defended and why?

But out of curiosity, given this offer;

Why don’t you do this: pick ONE claim, perhaps the one you find the most ridiculous, and rebut it and let’s have an intelligent grown up debate

In https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/01/proven_us_election_voter_fraud_part_1_retail_voter_fraud.html you claim “These fraudulent votes are mostly in Maricopa County and Democrat stronghold Tucson in Pima County, that has not featured in the AZ GOP lawsuits, where likely the same level of fraud occurred, there were 526,000 votes cast.

Why was this fraud not uncovered by the subsequent audit of Maricopa county?
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September 2, 2024 6:37pm
- freemark
  
  The election fraud wasn’t only carried out by corrupt vote counting. It was carried out by MSM, thr lack of voter ID, postal votes etc. The dishonest Covid saviour narrative which returned Cindy the Liar in NZ with unprecedented numbers was also involved. It’s almost the perfect crime however – flood people’s minds (via previously relatively trustworthy sources) with a narrative that not only are they frightened to resist or stand up against, but reward them with virtue-signalling dopamine to agree & acquiesce. I’ll wager that you subject yourself to electronic brainwashing at 6pm most days, like you did at 1pm for a couple of years, & therefore consider yourself better -informed than “conspiracy theorists.” I sadly suspect that you’re, like many others, unwilling to glimpse the scale of deception cloaking society over the past years. Because it hurts, and self preservation still drives many of us.
  
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  September 2, 2024 8:24pm
  - RichardX
    
    I’ll wager that you subject yourself to electronic brainwashing at 6pm most days, like you did at 1pm for a couple of years, & therefore consider yourself better -informed than “conspiracy theorists.”
    
    How much will you wager?
    
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    September 2, 2024 8:41pm
  - Ghost
    
    There was no voter fraud that returned Cindy. Just idiot voters who thought voting for labour would keep the greens out.
    
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    September 2, 2024 9:11pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Ahem
    https://thefederalist.com/2023/01/18/with-25000-mysterious-votes-and-missing-documents-maricopas-2022-election-process-marked-by-chaos-and-uncertainty/
    
    There is plenty more
    Not just here in the MSM
    You just dont see it published
    Its been going on for years in many States
    I could provide many many examples
    
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    September 2, 2024 11:14pm
    - RichardX
      
      All_on_Red
      Ahem
      https://thefederalist.com/2023/01/18/with-25000-mysterious-votes-and-missing-documents-maricopas-2022-election-process-marked-by-chaos-and-uncertainty/
      
      There is plenty more
      Not just here in the MSM
      You just dont see it published
      Its been going on for years in many States
      I could provide many many examples
      
      September 2, 2024 11:14pm
      
      Palpable desperation and still relying on outdated partisan sources.
      
      You are quoting a January 2023 article that refers to the 2022 election.
      The article ends with “Update: After publication, a representative from the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors emphasized that the judge did not rule in favor of Kari Lake’s election challenge, asserted that ballot count estimates fulfilled chain-of-custody requirements, and noted that witnesses disagreed with critics about whether chain-of-custody demands were met. The representative also stated that Maricopa County is not missing any records for the “25,000” ballots.” which negates the entire narrative.
      
      Subsequent events, all in relation to the 2022 election include;
      Judge dismisses Kari Lake’s final claim in election loss for Arizona governor in May 2023
      https://apnews.com/article/arizona-kari-lake-election-challenge-3a72275e94ed966cd5051c41f44abb95
      
      Kari Lake declines to defend her statements in defamation suit filed by Arizona election official in March 2024
      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/kari-lake-declines-defend-statements-defamation-suit-filed-arizona-ele-rcna145216
      
      You really think Lake would roll over on the defamation case if she had ANY evidence that supported any of her claims of election fraud in 2022?
      
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      September 2, 2024 11:36pm
Swifty

Lying scumbags live among us:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/526841/rotorua-landlord-fined-for-charging-above-market-rent-on-cold-damp-home
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September 2, 2024 6:39pm
kevn

Swifty… That Rotorua ‘landlord’ has form going back 20-30 years.
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September 2, 2024 7:53pm
- Swifty
  
  Bloody disgraceful behaviour.
  
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  September 2, 2024 8:32pm
- Inandout
  
  kevn, and the UK has a Labour MP..
  https://www.ft.com/content/6a317b97-8f76-46a1-af4a-ee48f5d32224
  
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