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September 18, 2024 11:00am by David Farrar

Emergency housing drops two thirds

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This is great. Emergency housing should be for emergencies and temporary.

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Where are the people in emergency housing going?
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September 18, 2024 11:03am
- artemisia
  
  John Campbell will be scouring carparks with the camera crew. Waiting…
  
  A more relevant question is why were they there in the first place. Followed by – what changed to cause this miracle and so fast too.
  
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  September 18, 2024 11:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They were there because Ardern wanted the Covid numbers up to scare us more with her fear porn.
    
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    September 18, 2024 12:02pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No idea what that means.
      
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      September 18, 2024 12:06pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        What better way to get the numbers up than to bunch people together?
        The woman is a sadistic narcissist. Whatever it takes to control people.
        
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        September 18, 2024 1:49pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        So you think that Jacinda put people in emergency housing to spread covid? You actually believe that?
        
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        September 18, 2024 3:21pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes I do think that Benedict. Along the same lines as my ex wife’s sister being moved to a rest home where she died with Covid. Her death was a Covid death, but the fact that she had battled throat cancer for 15+ years did not matter. The family thinks she was placed there to get infected.
        
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        September 19, 2024 7:30am
    - artemisia
      
      Unlikely Steve but covid would have been a factor in the increased number needing emergency housing due to lockdowns and protocols but also later when the borders reopened and the newcomers were more attractive to landlords.
      
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      September 18, 2024 1:02pm
  - Jinky
    
    Whena Owen already did a hit piece. Interviewed a few deadbeats in Masterton and Rotorua
    
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    September 18, 2024 7:27pm
AitchW

If ever there was a story waiting to be told this must be it. How did so many people end up living in emergency housing for so long? Who is responsible? Was there ANY triage of the people asking for emergency housing, and was there any follow up to ensure that they were actively looking for a more appropriate dwelling rather than just sitting back and waiting for more goodies to be handed to them?
Will even one of the so called investigative journalists in the MSM look into this? Where’s John Campbell, Paddy Gower, Nicky Hager?
God, what a disgrace.
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September 18, 2024 11:23am
- RightFirstTime
  
  There is a story to be told alright. Such as why one motel operator was paid in excess of $100 million of taxpayer’s money by MSD for providing Emergency Housing and others were paid tens of millions of dollars. However, this is not really surprising when MSD were paying up to four times the market rate for the motel accommodation – and I know that for a fact!
  
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  September 18, 2024 12:52pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Which Motel?
    Are you comparing like with like?
    
    ie MSD may be paying extra for high maintenance tenants(ie lots of Motel Damage, making other units unrentable etc etc)
    
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    September 18, 2024 1:56pm
  - cmm
    
    “MSD were paying up to four times the market rate”
    
    Well, to be more accurate, you and I net taxpayers were.
    
    Of course they need to pay more than market rates because the costs and risks to the business are higher:
    * You can forget about normal customers staying if you’ve got these people.
    * Damages are up.
    * Staff don’t want to work there. Wages probably have to go up.
    * etc etc.
    
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    September 18, 2024 2:45pm
- artemisia
  
  A kind government. I would say MSD were completely unprepared for the EH tsunami. Must have been a nightmare for them. Imagine a bunch of people on their doorstep every day, distressed, homeless, some with children. Regardless of the reasons for their situations the government told MSD to house them immediately and provided a money hosepipe
  
  So the MSD staff responded as instructed and were no doubt pleased to be able to help. Quite right too.
  
  The escalating numbers would have made follow up difficult even with third parties contracted in. Believe that EH occupiers eventually were required to show they were applying for private rentals. Easy to rort and some property managers were reporting high levels of applications and almost none turned up to view.
  
  Anyway, covid, a kind government, a huge money hosepipe, third party providers keeping the big income flowing – the inevitable happened.
  
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  September 18, 2024 2:10pm
- Im Right
  
  C’mon AitchW, you know the rules!!
  Campbell/Hagar/Gower only produce the ‘poor people porn’ when National are in power, so expect them to show up like a bad smell in the middle of 2026 (election year)
  Remember the nightly crocodile tears weeping Campbell did about the amount of people living in cars in the lead up to the 2017 election, and NO follow up, no revisiting for the next 6 years!! (when the amount of people living in cars INCREASED)…not much of a so called journalist is he.
  Lefty lickspittles the lot of them.
  
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  September 18, 2024 3:59pm
  - Prince
    
    Are you referring to the CHIEF CORRESPONDENT at TVNZ ?
    If so. that is Mr Lefty Lickspittle to you.
    
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    September 18, 2024 4:12pm
mandk

The number on the waiting list for state housing is also down by about 2,500 or 10% since the new government came in.

Makes you wonder if the list was previously padded with people who were low or no priority.
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September 18, 2024 11:33am
- Paulus
  
  Like so many other Public Service figures a figure dreamed up for by the Department Heads that the media use to complain and whinge about.
  
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  September 18, 2024 12:04pm
- artemisia
  
  I have noticed an occasional anomalous drop in the waiting list. Very occasional. I imagine bosses or Ministers saying what’s up. Letter printed, posted and if returned GNA removed from the waiting list until / unless the applicants contact again. Or some other reason …
  
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  September 18, 2024 12:58pm
andrewo

Scratch beneath the surface of this and you’ll find that many were blacklisted by RE managers because they’d damaged properties or not paid rent. Others likely deros and addicts who had been living on the street for years.
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September 18, 2024 11:51am
- artemisia
  
  Add to that, landlords becoming much more risk averse due largely to the tenancy tenure changes made by the Ardern government.
  
  Like – tenants stop paying rent and the required process to terminate could take weeks even months to conclude. Meanwhile…
  
  And notice to terminate only allowed for a few very specific reasons.
  
  Plenty of Tenancy Tribunal decisions for tenants to pay thousands, even tens of thousands, and good luck with that.
  
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  September 18, 2024 1:08pm
WaynelSexton

Almost like state homes were pulled down and rebuilt in that time.
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September 18, 2024 12:33pm
- Im Right
  
  Yes Wayne….and the numbers used, and trumpeted, by Labour for new houses built was never offset by the amount bulldozed. So if for example they built 1000 and demolished 250, the actual ‘new’ house number is 750, but Labour would only ever mention the 1000 number.
  
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  September 18, 2024 4:09pm
  - Weyland - Yutani Corporation
    
    And that’s not entirely wrong, from a certain point of view. There are 1000 (hypothetical) new homes. The old dingy, mouldy holes are gone.
    – that’s not to say the new houses won’t become dingy, mouldy holes in due course, of course.
    
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    September 18, 2024 5:47pm
    - Im Right
      
      Bollocks Weyland..Labour used the built number as overall total housing stock but never mentioned nor gave the total minus the houses bulldozed.
      And if the houses were not fit for purpose, then fair enough remove them, but you can’t have your cake and eat it by ‘forgetting’ to subtract the houses removed from the housing stock total.
      
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      September 19, 2024 10:15am
David Garrett

I have never understood why the government – or rather governments – have never established “trailer parks” such as in the US for low cost and cheap housing.

I have stayed in several such dwellings on visits to the USA , and they are surprisingly well designed and liveable. They often seem much bigger inside than they appear from without, which I guess must be down to good design.

Does anyone know why such “parks” have not been established here? If the building and electrical standards are different, surely they can be altered to comply with ours??
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September 18, 2024 1:39pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I would agree with this for people who have been kicked out of state housing for bad behaviour. But in general I think it is better for state housing to be in small blocks of 4-6 units surrounded by private housing. Otherwise it can create a ghetto.
  
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  September 18, 2024 1:48pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Nigel: It seems to work in the US…but I think most – perhaps all – “trailer parks” are privately owned, so residents can presumably be booted out for bad behaviour. The latter ought to be the case with all state owned housing here.
    
    I was brought up in a state house, and there was certainly none of the crap you hear about happening today. Incidentally most residents of “the Stout Street state housing block” were Maori, and fine people. We used to play together with Maori kids all the time.
    
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    September 18, 2024 1:52pm
    - David Garrett
      
      As an aside, one of the reasons I am implacably opposed to gangs is that one of my childhood playmates is now a member of the Mob.
      
      Whai went to the same school as me – Mangapapa primary – we played together as I have said, his parents were fine people – and it always grated a bit that their family car – a Ford V8 – was considerably superior to our 1947 Vauxhall!
      
      My point of course is that Whai has no more reason to find the Mob as an alternative “whanau” than I do. I haven’t seen Whai for 40 years, but if I ran into him again, I would ask “What the fuck are doing with that pack of vicious [banned noun]? What would your Dad think?”
      
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      September 18, 2024 2:28pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Actually I am pretty sure what Kumi, Whai’s Dad, would have said (after giving him a hiding): “You are a fucking disgrace to your tupuna…Take that fucking patch off your back and be a proper man”.
        
        Kumi was a very traditional Maori; most years their front lawn was planted in kumera! (I am serious); about 3/4 of the back lawn was vege garden – considerably better than ours. Most weekends there were split salted eels drying on the closeline – Kumi made his own hinaki out of steel rod and wire netting. I am sure he would have laughed derisively if someone had told him he should be using “traditonal” materials to build his hinaki.
        
        Kumi was a ganger (supervisor) with the Ministry of Works (“the Ministry” as it was known as back then). My father often had long talks with Kumi over the fence between our houses. Neither of them were drinkers, so I never recall them drinking together.
        
        I know for sure my father respected Kumi greatly, and I assume the respect was mutual – as it was with another Maori neighbour, Dick Browne who had served in WW I.
        
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        September 18, 2024 3:12pm
  - sirknz
    
    We seem to have the inverse of this in some areas, 4-6 private houses surrounded by state housing…
    
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    September 18, 2024 2:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The is one I know of in Sth Auckland. Backs onto the motorway in the Papatoetoe/Manurewa area. These are caravans onsite for rental.
  Strange that the Google machine only lists ‘holiday parks.’
  
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  September 18, 2024 1:56pm
  - sirknz
    
    I believe that there are legal limits as to how long you can stay in a caravan park in NZ.
    
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    September 18, 2024 2:15pm
    - David Garrett
      
      sirk: I am open to being corrected, but I believe those rules/laws were amended some time ago…Anyway, how could they be enforced? I have seen lots of “permanent” caravans around NZ. If there were still such rules, surely the occupants could just go somewhere else for a week, and then resume occupation?
      
      Much as back in the day if you were approaching the limit of your visa in the UK you just went to Paris for the weekend, and the clock went back to zero.
      
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      September 18, 2024 3:32pm
  - cmm
    
    Caravans are not the same really.
    
    Here we go: Brand new, 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom trailer home. $US40k. Delivered.
    
    https://www.mobilehomesdirect4less.com/product/delight-trs14602a/
    
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    September 18, 2024 2:58pm
    - David Garrett
      
      cmm: Yeah, look at that! Two bathrooms FFS, and all for about NZD70,000.
      
      Does anyone know if you could get a permit to erect such a dwelling here? It is too big to be a “minor dwelling” which is permissible on suitably sized pieces of land in my neck of the woods…but would it meet NZ building codes?
      
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      September 18, 2024 3:21pm
      - marcw
        
        Thousands of MBIE, Building Standards Regulation, and Council consent staff and Labour MPs are currently having attacks of the vapours after reading your posts on trailer homes. They are terrified that some of these sensible solutions will be considered, and their cushy we-know-what’s-good-for-you jobs for life will end abruptly. The heart attack stimulators are on full charge, and off-duty ECG staff called back to work urgently.
        
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        September 18, 2024 3:53pm
- Paulus
  
  My late sisiter in NSW Batemans Bay lived in a Caravan home for almost 20 years, and she loved it and the people there too.
  
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  September 18, 2024 2:18pm
- cmm
  
  DG: I agree. We really have limited housing options in NZ.
  
  The USA mobile home market provides some lower cost alternatives and also allows factory building that brings down prices significantly.
  
  A single wide trailer home (2 or 3 bedroom) can cost around $50k in USA. Land etc is more.
  
  I would really have no problem living in something like that.
  
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  September 18, 2024 2:55pm
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm: Yes indeed…as I said I have stayed several nights in such “trailers” in different parts of the states, and I found their amenities very impressive. I also would be quite happy to live in one.
    
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    September 18, 2024 3:23pm
- eziryder
  
  I’ve wondered about that too David. My sister lived in one for a while in Saskatoon. A cold hole, but seemed warm enough. Love
  Governments aren’t famous for lateral thinking…and then the perceived “ trailer trash” moniker would make them run a mile from the idea if it did occur.
  
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  September 18, 2024 4:09pm
- artemisia
  
  Australia has a lot of ‘trailer park’ communities for retired households. Private, not social housing – lease the land and add a trailer.They tend to be away from expensive urban areas, but close to beaches for example. Converted holiday parks usually but reconfigured for seniors with not a lot of money.
  
  I’m sure we have a similar market here, but have not heard of anyone doing it. Ingenia is one Australian company in this market.
  
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  September 18, 2024 6:30pm
  - Dougal10
    
    Our councils hate tiny houses imagine their horror at trailer homes. I have lived in them in the states , they are great for those that need a home , second hand they are cheap and the land rental is very afordable.
    
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    September 18, 2024 6:52pm
G the giant from Dunedin

You want to hear the lefties whinging about this on the socials. Oh this is all lies, oh the government are simply throwing them into the streets etc, never do they have evidence, just a wide brush stroke of bullshittery
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September 18, 2024 2:14pm
- David Garrett
  
  G Giant: Housing has got to be Cindy’s biggest fail, doesn’t it? Remember she was going to cure both homelessnes AND child poverdy…Both of those got considerably worse on her watch IIRC.
  
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  September 18, 2024 3:27pm
  - cmm
    
    DG: Serious question – do you think she really made it significantly worse or did it just boil over on her watch?
    
    Ultimately housing affordability(for many) has been coming for a long time. If house prices/values go up then rents have to go up to. Basic economics.
    
    On top of that all the rules and regs make it hard to build or rent out a house.
    
    HTF does a 30 year old get on the property ladder these days? Bloody hard.
    
    Of course the laws that “protect” renters really don’t. They protect bad renters at the cost of good renters. Good renters must subsidise the bad behaviour of bad renters.
    
    IMHO the solution is to open up alternatives such as the trailer parks (or as they are called at the boutique-end tiny home parks) and remove some of the more crazy zoning laws etc.
    
    For example why should it be illegal for, say, 10 families to buy a joint 20+ acre property on the outskirts of Christchurch and put up tiny homes/mobile homes?
    
    There’s a 50 acre parcel of land out at West Eyreton (just over the Waimak) on the market for $650k. You could put 20 families on that easily – with heaps of spare space (less than $40k each) + a mobile home for, say, $100 each family = $140k per family. $300pw on a 15 year mortgage.
    
    But no, nanny knows best…
    
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    September 18, 2024 4:13pm
    - David Garrett
      
      cmm: Honestly: I think it got considerably worse on her watch – and because of her – because although she may deny it, she is still essentially a communist, and communists believe that the state does better at absolutely everything than the private sector.
      
      This thread has evolved into a discussion of American “trailer homes”. I am convinced that if someone in the construction sector of the economy was told “Get these people out of motels and into adequate if basic housing ASAP” the problem would have been solved in 12 months, maybe less.
      
      For example, I am a lawyer not a builder. But if I was given that task, my first action would be to ask “What do we need to do to have American ‘trailer homes’ compliant here? So do that. Step two would be “alter the law(s) however you need to so we can establish trailer parks to build houses for these people”.
      
      At the same time I would be instructing officials to work out a code under which people could be ejected from their trailer home for – prescribed and clearly stated – bad behaviour.
      
      Within 12 months you would have trailer parks housing the homeless. Remember my friend Judith Collins and the car crushing legislation: If I recall correctly there were only two cars crushed before the rest got the message. The same would be true of lowlifes in government housing.
      
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      September 18, 2024 5:25pm
    - Local Miller
      
      Cmm: “ HTF does a 30 year old get on the property ladder these days? Bloody hard.”
      
      Actually not that hard. My 4 kids are 28, 30, 33, 36.
      The oldest is just closing a deal on a house with is partner, the 2nd and her husband have owned their home for 5 years, and the youngest and her boyfriend, soon to be fiancé are looking to buy. He’s 27, and has enough saved on his own for the deposit up to about $800,000.
      If you are disciplined and know what you are doing it’s not that difficult.
      
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      September 18, 2024 6:28pm
      - Kiwiguy
        
        Fully agree.
        Nearly all the young people I know own a house – from personal friends, through to my young staff at work.
        They all have the same thing in common, I notice: sensible financial habits instilled into them by their parents – which is lacking in a lot of families today.
        It’s not always easy though – but they manage it. They all work hard, upskill, increase their value to their employer and thus increase their earnings.
        All old-school values which are sadly being discarded in lots of cases these days.
        
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        September 19, 2024 8:46am
  - Im Right
    
    Yup, spot on DG….although you would never know of it from the MSM reporting!
    Campbell’s tear filled ‘poor people living in cars’ nightly reports in the lead up to the 2017 election was a paid party political broadcast for Labour!
    AND…AND…he never did a follow up to find out what happened to the ones he interviewed, why?….because under Labour/Ardern the numbers increased!
    
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    September 18, 2024 4:17pm
mandk

The emergency accommodation industry was a rort exploited by greedy motel owners and families that wanted to live rent-free and without power bills.

At one time, there were adverts on facebook inviting people to take up free accommodation in Rotorua.
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September 18, 2024 2:52pm
- David Garrett
  
  mandk: And I believe the motel industry in Rotorua was completely fucked by gang members and other lowlife being in “emergency accomodation”? What is the current status down there, do yo u know??
  
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  September 18, 2024 4:04pm
  - cmm
    
    DG: On the back of that, I suspect the whole tourism industry is royally fucked too.
    
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    September 18, 2024 4:18pm
  - Im Right
    
    Rotorua is still a shithole DG, unsure about the emergency accommodation situation though.
    
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    September 18, 2024 4:19pm
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    “What is the current status down there, do you know?”
    
    Avoid at all costs. Small town nz has become a mess of the unemployed and government bludgers, gangs and the only people running businesses are Indians who treat actual kiwis like shit.
    
    If you want to pay 28 bucks for bacon and eggs combined with terrible service only to walk out onto the street to be threatened by a gang member, then I recommend rotorua.
    
    Very soon it will be avoid the whole country at all costs.
    
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    September 18, 2024 9:33pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

It’s events like this that give me hope that not everyone in the public sector was corrupted by Jacinda and her ilk.

Clearly, some were keeping their heads down (got a mortgage, don’t you know) waiting for the right leadership and are now acting with alacrity.

Good stuff, let’s see more.
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