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Yvette

Government sovereignty
Democratic government can accommodate Maori political aspiration in many ways. It can allocate resources in ways which reflect the particular interests of Maori people. It can delegate authority, and allow the exercise of degrees of Maori autonomy. What it cannot do is acknowledge the existence of a separate sovereignty. As soon as it does that, it isn’t a democracy. We can have a democratic form of government or we can have indigenous sovereignty. They can’t coexist and we can’t have them both – Rt Hon David Lange – November 2000
https://www.brucejesson.com/david-lange-2000/

Many decades ago, in high-school geometry and algebra, teachers tried to din into us the principle of corollary – a proposition that follows from one already proved – so what is the deal with Luxon and those that will not support ACT’s proposed Treaty bill?
If Luxon won’t support a law that clarifies Government has the right to govern, all legally acquired property is protected, and all New Zealanders have equal rights and responsibilities, is the corollary true?

That Government hasn’t the right to govern, all legally acquired property is not protected, and all New Zealanders don’t have equal rights and responsibilities?
Totally ridiculous?
Someone ask Luxon and Winston about it.
Perhaps David Seymour – if the media wasn’t so earnestly painting him as the origin of the problem, rather than the solution to it.
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August 27, 2024 8:01am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump puts safety aside.
He left the safety glass to go give the woman a hug.

https://americanvoterpolls.com/trump-puts-safety-aside-to-aid-fainting-supporter-at-rally/?
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August 27, 2024 8:03am
- Conservatarian
  
  Trump dodges actual bullets, while Biden dodges turning up to work and Harris dodges questions. Make your choice wisely America.
  
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  August 27, 2024 3:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No no no no, it was shrapnel according to the idiot I think Trump appointed.
    
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    August 27, 2024 5:51pm
Chuck Bird

Luxon says we will need gas for decades. Why does he discount nuclear which emits less CO2?
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August 27, 2024 8:03am
- Cassandra
  
  I’m sure you know the answer. NZ is committed to collective madness; he’d be a fool to agree with nuclear at this stage. Softly, softly, catchee monkey. Give it 20 years or so.
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:11am
- peterwn
  
  It would take 15 years+ to get a nuke power station up and running so you would need gas for at least a decade and a half. Also there is no point in moving away from gas until replacement non-thermal power generation (and buffer storage) is in hand.
  Interestingly PowerCo is replacing gas meters in Wellington with remote reading electronic ones (using lithium batteries that are claimed to last 10 years). So PowerCo and the gas retailers do not think the gas network will be shut down any time soon.
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:14am
  - rouppe
    
    So PowerCo and the gas retailers do not think the gas network will be shut down any time soon.
    
    That doesn’t mean that the pipe network will carry indigenous natural gas.
    
    It could carry imported LNG. I read somewhere a possibility of adding a bit of Hydrogen to the methane to make it go further. It could carry a completely different product.
    
    And in any case, smart meters just remove the need for expensive meter readers as new connections to mains gas are falling off a cliff
    
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    August 27, 2024 9:30am
    - peterwn
      
      Whatever new gas is put into the network would need to be chemically similar to the current gas. This would be achieved by appropriate blending. Hydrogen could be problematical as a significant portion could leak out of the mains.
      
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      August 27, 2024 9:56am
  - Inandout
    
    peter, all modern aircraft carriers and submarines use nuclear to create the heat to power the vessels. So clean and so economical it would be insane to have them running on oil fuel.
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:10am
    - Jake Dee
      
      I can see your general point, but you are wrong about all modern submarines (I guess you mean military subs) and aircraft carriers running on nuclear.
      France, Germany, Italy, China, Japan, India, Australia and Sweden have all built either modern submarines, aircraft carriers or both that run on some sort of diesel power.
      The big disadvantage with nuclear is that you are locked into a highly expensive fuel cycle. If you don’t control that fuel cycle you can’t guarantee your ships will run.
      
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      August 27, 2024 5:11pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        Wow so many down ticks on a perfectly accurate comment. Anyone care to argue the toss on diesel powered submarines and aircraft carriers?
        Nope?
        
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        August 27, 2024 10:40pm
  - peterwn
    
    So now there is some Australian ‘expert’ who is warning on ‘gas is not the way to go’ and warning against importing LNG and would like to give Simeon Brown a piece of his mind on this. Simeon’s response would surely be ‘I need to find a solution for NZ’s energy needs as soon as possible, not years down the track.
    Just another pie in the sky ‘expert’ who says all the things that should not be done but has no idea about sorting immediate problems.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/526253/gas-not-the-way-out-of-an-energy-crisis-expert-warns
    
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    August 27, 2024 11:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Only one-third of gas is used for electrcity production. The remaining two-thirds is used for other things, notably petrochemicals and fertilisers. Even if New Zealand adopted significant nuclear power generation, gas would still be required for those things.
  
  Question… Have you seen any analysis that demonstrates that nuclear power is commercially viable in New Zealand?
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:15am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I use it at home for heating, otherwise I am using electric which I don’t want to do
    
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    August 27, 2024 8:26am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Of course not. However, why should NZ be different?
    
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    August 27, 2024 8:32am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “of course not”? 😳
      
      I’m not an energy economist. Before I started touting nuclear energy for New Zealand, I would be looking for some expert opinion that concludes that it is viable.
      
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      August 27, 2024 8:55am
      - kevn
        
        BY… Viable? Just follow the money.
        https://dailysceptic.org/2024/08/26/the-end-of-australias-renewables-romance/
        
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        August 27, 2024 9:12am
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        Not an expert but a quick search on Google seems to show that a Small Modular Reactor costs about US$2500 per KW (NZ$35M for a 20MW SMR).
        
        If true, then the cost of nuclear would be approximately twice of solar but will create energy 24/7 and quickly pay for itself.
        
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        August 27, 2024 9:12am
      - Taieri
        
        Finland is a country with the similar population to NZ. Urbanization is also similar at about 86%. They used to import electricity, originally mainly from Russia and later from Sweden. At present there are five nuclear reactors in two power stations, with about 95% capacity factor. It is expected that in a couple of years nuclear power will generate approx. 60% of their total electricity requirements.
        So, may be Finnish experience is worth looking at to see whether some of it could be applicable to NZ?
        
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        August 27, 2024 9:16am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        That is ridiculous. No political party has looked at NZ specifically. They have all ruled it out because they feel they cannot sell to the public.
        
        Finland with NZ’s population has 3 nuclear power stations. Japan has nuclear despite earth quakes.
        
        Luxon has said all options are considered. He is not telling the truth.
        
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        August 27, 2024 9:17am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No political party has looked at NZ specifically.
        
        Not True, Chuck.
        
        The National Party set up aa Royal Commission in 1976 to report on Nuclear Power Generation in NZ
        
        https://www.hardtofind.co.nz/book/xxa3cf171248/Nuclear-Power-Generation-in-New-Zealand-Report-of-the-Royal-Commission-of-Inquiry
        
        Their conclusion:
        However, the chances of New Zealand needing nuclear power for electricity generation early in the next century are real indeed… Nuclear power should be retained as an option for the future with the possible commissioning date of 2005–2007 in mind. This timing may need to be revised as future trends become more apparent.”
        
        https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/nuclear-new-zealand/
        
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        August 27, 2024 9:41am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “That is ridiculous. No political party has looked at NZ specifically…”
        
        You are missing the point.
        
        I am asking whether you can cite informed opinions. There must be people who have worked in the sector for decades. They will know enough to have a view as to whether nuclear power generation might be viable in New Zealand.
        
        I couldn’t come up with an answer to that question.
        
        Here is another question. Is such a nuclear power station profitable without the government underwriting the costs? If the answer is yes, surely the existing power cos would have looked into it. There is no law prohibiting the construction of a nuclear power plant.
        
        I am not saying you are wrong. I just have not heard anything to tell me that you are right.
        
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        August 27, 2024 10:07am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Ben – the old Ministry in charge of Electricity decided Nuclear was viable in NZ in the 1960s, had identify a good site on the Kaipara for it.
        
        Its economically viable in a world of every increasing cost for Carbon Credits or one without those credits. Its whether Politicians have the guts to actually front a discussions to sell it and overcome hysterical Green objections
        
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        August 27, 2024 7:37pm
    - wsk12345
      
      Informed not expert opinion.
      Finland is a poor comparator because it’s hooked into a larger continental mass so has the ability to import or export power – this is relevant to NZ as we have to match supply and demand every second within our grid – if they have too much they export it via an inter connector. Fluctuations still have to be managed but over a much bigger grid made up of multiple systems, it’s way smaller issue.
      
      I do t know much about SMRs except what people here say – they are not available yet. Until they are the size of the nuclear station is a constraint because these are baseload plants. To run a secure system there is always a spare amount of capacity available to cover the loss of the single largest generating unit or HVDC circuit. At the moment the single largest contingency is normally set by a unit at Huntly – say 250-350 MW. The economic size of a nuclear plant will probably still be at least double that which means the “risk” will now be say 600 MW. We don’t have 600 MW of capacity that can operate within 1 second as required to be a reserve provider so another large, fast acting station of some sort would be required to be constructed to sit on standby at all times. Thus destroying the economic viability.
      
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      August 27, 2024 9:46am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Thanks. That is exactly what I was looking for. 😀
        
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        August 27, 2024 10:09am
      - Taieri
        
        I did not claim that we should copy Finnish solutions, just suggested that we could do worse than examine their experience to see if and how much of it could be applicable to NZ, as at present, the NZ nuclear experience is exactly ZERO.
        
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        August 27, 2024 11:12am
      - Burtland
        
        I guess that explains why Bangladesh is building two 1200MW nuclear reactors
        
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        August 27, 2024 2:12pm
  - RoboRob
    
    ‘Have you seen any analysis that demonstrates that nuclear power is commercially viable in New Zealand’
    
    Urggh. We never have the discussion so the research is never done. We never have the discussion becuase we have no proof its viable. See the issue here?
    
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    August 27, 2024 8:52am
    - wsk12345
      
      See my comment above.
      The work has been done historically also but cost/size issue has always been the issue – we can’t make it work given the current economic size of nuclear plants.
      When SMRa are available the situation changes perhaps.
      
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      August 27, 2024 9:48am
      - RoboRob
        
        There are plenty of viable options. For example see Oklo
        
        https://oklo.com/technology/default.aspx
        
        They do tiny (my words) 15MW power eneration that has the following advantages
        
        1) Put it close to the demand as it saves massively on transmission costs
        2) Proven technology in use for 35 years
        3) Uses waste fuel from other reactors of which there is enough to power the entire world for 1000s of years
        4) Incredibly safe
        
        The concept is to put these near demand, such as data centers. They can add reactors as the data center expands / is built out.
        
        Watched an Australian video on Nuclear power posted on this site, they claimed the biggest cost of electricity is actually transmission. Placing lots of small reactors near demand means Transpower doesn’t need top build out its network.
        
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        August 27, 2024 11:13am
  - RoboRob
    
    Luxon talks the big game about doubling renewable energy generation by 2050 and being 100% renewable. He talks about doing this with Wind, solar and perhaps mini hydro. Thats his words from tv this morning.
    
    It’s just not realistic and there are plenty of studies that prove it. Areas that have gone 100% renewable have expensive and unreliable power. They are dependant on other areas that haven’t gone 100% renewable.
    
    The best energy systems have a mixture of generation sources. They have base line generation this is stable and sufficient to guarantee reliable power. When you have these systems you also have cheap pricing.
    
    If we look at NZ and Luxons ‘plan’ where is the 50% increase in baseload power coming from? He says gas is transitional so when it goes by 2050 what replaces it? We know its not hydro as has says ‘perhaps some mini hydro’, so where in the governments ‘plan’ does the additional baseload come from?
    
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    August 27, 2024 9:02am
    - wsk12345
      
      100%.
      
      We need another (at least one) Huntly sized gas or coal plant. Geothermal could help but the size of these (dictated by size of the underground resource) means we would need quite a few and that will be a lot of payments to the special people.
      
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      August 27, 2024 9:51am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The difference he was the generators to pay for it, making things easier for them, Labour would fire ahead and build it their bloody self, generators will not build if they can’t extra capacity, you speak as if this is a disgrace
      
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      August 27, 2024 9:59am
      - RoboRob
        
        No. I am all for generators paying. But what happens, as per now, when the generators focus on the cheap and easy Wind and solar? Where does the baseload energy come from?
        
        My issue with Luxon is his blinkered approach to power generation. He says eventurally no coal of gas, he says mini hydro (maybe). So where in his plan is the additional 50% baseload coming from?
        
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        August 27, 2024 11:16am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Robbie rob, that’s there problem, and they will use a mix to keep the lights on
        
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        August 27, 2024 1:51pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Also WHY does he want to do this?
      
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      August 27, 2024 10:11am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        The generators want to, they won’t do it if it is not helping the bottom line, they are not stupid, all the Nats are doing is making it easier for generators to get consent and get things done
        
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        August 27, 2024 11:00am
  - trout
    
    Gas allocated for domestic (residential) use is only 7% of total available. Natural Gas is a premium fuel – to curtail further discovery and development was economic sabotage ( thankyou Megan Woods).
    
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    August 27, 2024 9:22am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yes Megan Woods is a total disaster for NZ. Ironically the labour party PR channel TV1 this morning was going hard on Luxon as to when he was going to solve this issue (the issue being high power prices, not a shortage!) and how he is getting us to carbon zero.
      
      No mention of the giant elephant in the room. Its not like we werent short of power last year or the year before!
      
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      August 27, 2024 9:52am
  - kowtow
    
    We all use nuclear energy here in NZ .
    
    ‘ The Sun is a giant, natural thermonuclear reactor that converts hydrogen to helium in its core to produce the heat we sense on our faces as sunshine.’
    
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    August 27, 2024 9:24am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      So?
      
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      August 27, 2024 10:13am
  - rouppe
    
    Will Small Modular Reactors Surpass Regulatory and Supply Chain Hurdles to Fill the Need for Stable, Baseload Power?
    
    Estimates suggest that CAPEX costs for these reactors can be up to $5,000/kW with a levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) ranging between $80-$90/MWh. For comparison, offshore wind costs between $3,000-5,000 per kW to construct, and utility scale solar costs between $700-$1,500 per kW in the U.S.
    
    The difference being nuclear runs 24 hours a day while wind seems to be producing typically some 40-50% of its headline capacity and solar by definition less than 50%.
    
    While some reactor costs are high, innovators are looking to reduce costs by developing new reactor designs and technologies using various coolants and fuel types for Gen IV reactors. Costs for these reactors vary but some suggest they can be reduced to $2,500/kW for upfront CAPEX costs and LCOE costs around $35/MWh if they were to scale.
    
    Certainly arguable, I’d have thought
    
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    August 27, 2024 9:40am
    - RoboRob
      
      I will add that apparently transmission is a huge part of the cost of electricity. Wind generation is dispersed to often remote locations. So requires expensive transmission lines etc (and energy loss). Nuclear can be positioned near demand to minimise these costs.
      
      I note NOBODY in the green camp ever talks about the transmission costs of wind and solar. I suspect, based on your numbers, that if these were factored in Nuclears cost would be lower.
      
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      August 27, 2024 11:20am
      - wsk12345
        
        The transmission cost is significant but a fraction of the generation cost. Wind farm sites are selected based on wind data and proximity to the transmission (or distribution) grids to minimise cost. There are plenty of sites that are close enough.
        
        Yes it restricts location but in the same way that power stations need to be near gas lines or railway for coal. Or hydro needs to be on a river 🙂
        
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        August 27, 2024 3:32pm
    - JohnRidd
      
      Hi there Roupe. You said “offshore wind costs between $3,000-5,000 per kW to construct, “.
      
      Just checking, is that the cost per kW for when the wind is blowing at the correct speed. That is to say, the capacity of the windfarm.
      
      If it is the cost of the capacity, then the actual cost is at least three times that, as the typical capacity factor for a wind farm is 30%. When they are new.
      
      Then you have to add in the cost of building the back up power station for when the wind isn’t blowing. This needs to be dispatchable so coal, gas, geothermal or nuclear will do just fine.
      
      Also, they usually do not include the cost of transmission of the power from the windfarm to where the power is needed.
      
      I get the impression many believe we can solve the lack of generating capacity if we can just build enough wind and solar. Nothing could be further from the truth.
      
      Another point to remember is that the more wind and solar, the more difficult and expensive it is to control the frequency. The more wind and solar you have, the less stable the grid.
      
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      August 27, 2024 11:27am
      - wsk12345
        
        It’s the cost per installed MW. But operating costs for wind are low compared to coal or gas so these result in the long run cost per kWh produced being in the same ballpark.
        
        Geothermal and nuclear are not generally dispatchable. I do t think highly efficient coal and gas plants are either (or only a small amount). Hydro does all the work providing reserves and frequency control, along with the Rankine units, I believe.
        
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        August 27, 2024 12:01pm
      - JohnRidd
        
        Hi wsk.
        
        “It’s the cost per installed MW. ”
        Which is the cost of capacity. Multiply that cost by three.
        ” run cost per kWh produced being in the same ballpark.”
        You have fallen for the kWh trap. Electricity has to be produced when it is needed.
        
        Geothermal and nuclear are indeed dispatchable. A dispatchable power supply is one that produces power when it is turned on.
        
        NZ is one of the few countries where wind and solar are not completely insane because we can save up some water in the dams for when the wind isn’t blowing and the sun isn’t shining, but we don’t have sufficient hydro to back up the W&S we have now. That is why we need Huntly. If demand increases and we build more W&S, we will need more back up power.
        
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        August 27, 2024 1:04pm
      - rouppe
        
        I take it to be the cost per kW of building headline kW generation capability.
        
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        August 27, 2024 1:28pm
      - JohnRidd
        
        Hi Roupe.
        “I take it to be the cost per kW of building headline kW generation capability.”
        So do I. The problem is this is very misleading. It makes building W&S seem to be a good idea when it is not.
        
        The question that needs to be answered is “How much does it cost to produce a given amount, say
        1 MW of of consistent power using W&S with back up from dispatchable sources?”
        
        The answer is “a lot more than if you do it without the W&S.”
        
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        August 27, 2024 3:26pm
      - wsk12345
        
        No I have not fallen for the kWh trap. I know the difference between LRMC and SRMC, you have misunderstood what I said.
        
        Dispatchable means you can instruct how much to generate each dispatch period . You can’t really do that with geothermal, it’s baseload with little efficient variation. Dispatchable demand is demand that can quickly reduce on instruction.
        
        Wind and solar are not dispatchable – as you say, they have to generate the amount needed when needed to be so.
        
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        August 27, 2024 3:38pm
    - Burtland
      
      solar at Lodestone Kaitia
      33MW 56GWh $NZ60M – 19% duty 😳 $NZ1800/kW $NZ1071/MWh
      
      https://lodestoneenergy.co.nz/kaitaia/
      
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      August 27, 2024 11:59am
      - Burtland
        
        Solar farms produce about 20% of their rated capacity (Kohirā )
        Wind farms produce about 40% (Waipipi)
        Dams produce 80% (Manapouri )
        
        Network and distribution losses can be 15%
        
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        August 27, 2024 8:14pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    nuclear power is a problem for a small country like NZ because economic reactor designs like the AP1400 with 1400MW output represent such a large fraction of demand (~4GW nighttime 6GW daytime), meaning we would also need equivalent backup (ie gas or coal) generation to cover when it is offline.
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:07am
    - RoboRob
      
      There are plenty of smaller options. Westinghouse, the people who make the AP1400 also make the AP300
      
      https://westinghousenuclear.com/energy-systems/ap300-smr/#overview
      
      That said two AP1400s would be pretty good for NZ. When one is scheduled offline for refueling, Hydro can take the slack. Also, I believe the Canadian Cando reactors have no or very limited down time.
      
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      August 27, 2024 11:27am
      - wsk12345
        
        Too big for our grid – and you could never have one off and the other on as they would be the only plant big enough to provide reserve for the other.
        
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        August 27, 2024 12:02pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        But most of the costs are in appeasing Nimbys and the vast hoards of other regulatory gate keepers and grasping hands (brown and green-mail). Those costs are basically the same no matter how big the reactor.
        
        Hence small reactors are nearly the same cost as big ones.
        
        It would make sense to have three or four smaller reactors in a single installation to deal with unit outages.
        
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        August 27, 2024 2:24pm
    - Handyman
      
      This has been my argument.
      Wind power is a problem for a small country like New Zealand because we need the same capacity standby generation for when it is offline. Wind power goes offline on calm cold mornings which happens to be the time of peak electricity demand.
      Most wind power countries eg UK can cheat by using French nuclear power via the interconnector; not so New Zealand. We really need max capacity standby generation.
      
      The current industry “wind first” settings are such that there is no point in building standby generation plants without a standby payment. It is crazy to build a standby plant when the government is promising to fast track even more wind power.
      
      We have simply reached the utterly predicted tipping point where standby generation capacity is longer enough to provide power when the wind drops. The situation has been masked by shutting down industry and by asking hydro to empty the lakes faster than sensible.
      
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      August 27, 2024 3:41pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    1977 the Ministry of Energy did a big report into it. Concluded it was viable, More expensive than coal, cheaper than oil (wind and solar were not even a glint in the eye back then)
    
    I think there was even a Royal Commission into nuclear energy in 1977/78
    
    https://archive.org/details/nuclear-power-nz-1978
    
    found that 2 plants would be needed to balance the load, one on the Kaipara, one down south. They were looking for stable geology for seismic security.
    
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    August 27, 2024 11:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Closet Greenie? Something is going on with him.
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:16am
  - pdm
    
    Yep Steve – he (Luxon) is hard to work out.
    
    In a week he has:
    1. Agreed Maori ceded sovereignty.
    2. Lambasted attendees at the Local Govt conference.
    3. Appeared to endorse co-governance with the Fast track changes.
    4. Gone all Green on renewable electricity production.
    
    A hard man to follow or agree with.
    
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    August 27, 2024 9:23am
    - Scott
      
      pdm – disagree with you and here’s why. Luxon lambasting local govt? All good and much needed. The rate payers need relief from ever increasing rate hikes.
      Maori did cede sovereignty? All good.
      Cogovernance in fast track? Let’s wait and see. The Coalition has dismantled much of the cogovernance agenda and I think we should withhold judgement.
      
      Green energy and renewables? I agree with you there. However national did not pledge to end the emphasis on climate change. They are a broad church party and need to have room for the green wing on the centre right.
      
      As I’ve often said, if National had pledged to get rid of climate change targets they would have been unelectable.
      
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      August 27, 2024 9:39am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        If any government actually seeks to implement net zero they will lose office.
        
        Take a street poll.
        
        “Do you support zero emissions in New Zealand to fix the climate crisis?”
        
        “of course”
        
        “How much of your income will you be willing to give up for that?”
        
        Blank stare.
        
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        August 27, 2024 10:18am
    - Grunter
      
      He is indeed very slippery
      
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      August 27, 2024 9:51am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Oh and Hipkins isn’t? FFS how is he slippery
        
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        August 27, 2024 11:02am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yup. Luxon is anti co governance yet thinks the government is in a partnership with Maori. Try and work that one through 🙂
      
      Re his green credentials, no ambiguity there at all. he is 100% in on climate change and 100% for renewables only. I dont think he understands that NZ cannot run with renewables only now and energy demand is only increasing.
      
      Right now
      https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data
      
      Coal 611 MW (max 750)
      Gas 398 MW (max 1280)
      Wind 550 MW (max 1259)
      
      Note we can turn up coal and gas but wind is whatever it is, and thats normally less then 550. Note Coal is near max, thats only becuase we dont have the LNG to run our gas higher. Why are we using Coal and Gas at all? Becuase our renewables aren’t enough (with some major users closed down).
      
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      August 27, 2024 9:58am
      - Grunter
        
        Why do you call solar and wind “renewables” when they consume non-renewable metals that are mined using fossil fuels and that need to be replaced every 20-30 years (and can not be recycled)?
        
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        August 27, 2024 10:43am
      - RoboRob
        
        @Grunter
        
        Becuase the greenies, media have classed Wind, solar and hydro as renewables. Not my definition. The renewable description comes from the fuel source not the construction.
        
        As I have said here dozens of times. If Carbon is a world ending issue, why aren’t we moving to nuclear, which has an incredibly low carbon cost.
        
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        August 27, 2024 11:31am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Rubbish, there is no co governance in fast tracking, the only part mentioned is with Māori payouts, and sny negotiation is a two way thing
      
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      August 27, 2024 10:36am
      - wsk12345
        
        What? There is te ao BS in there.
        
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        August 27, 2024 12:09pm
  - Phronesis
    
    Luxon’s brother is an ecowarrior
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/matthew-luxon-the-rubbish-free-champion/
    
    He thinks the problem is not enough government intervention…
    
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    August 27, 2024 11:43am
- Handyman
  
  New Zealand could simulate a SMR now.
  Run Huntly at max (750MW) full time, take all the wind available and throttle back on hydro to build reserve hydro capacity.
  
  Now I think about it, why doesn’t the government buy max Huntly output and sell to industry? It would be a massive intervention into the electricity market but the “wind first” intervention has skewed the market once wind reached a critical percentage.
  The extra 500MW from Huntly must be cheaper than the same via LPG import.
  
  Another (nuclear option, excuse the pun) is to turn off hot water heating and public EV chargers. Ask for feedback — to get hot showers and EV charging back we need to max out the coal plant. Allow Green party members to opt out of coal power if they want.
  
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  August 27, 2024 11:51am
- NZer In Exile
  
  “Luxon says we will need gas for decades.”
  
  That is a small glimmer of hope. He could have repeated the BS from the renewables grifters about wind and solar being cheaper (like Aus Labor is foolishly persisting with, at Australia’s peril).
  
  To come out with that, Luxon must be listening to serious energy engineers.
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:26pm
Simon

The country is a bit divided at the moment. To bring everyone together what is needed is another round of forced injection of a cattle grade vaxx with the demonization and ridicule of those who refuse.
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August 27, 2024 8:05am
- wsk12345
  
  75% could come together against the other 25%, but at least it’s changing up the groups on either side 🤣
  
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  August 27, 2024 9:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I’m still waiting for the 16% to start civil war
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:38am
    - wsk12345
      
      It won’t be 16% – just the 3% or so that voted for the most racist party
      
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      August 27, 2024 12:11pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “cattle grade vaxx”
  
  I was hoping that an adult debate was progressing today. No such luck.
  
  Let me guess. You missed your covid vaccine booster this autumn. Because you were scared of a heart attack, or autism. Or magnets.
  
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  August 27, 2024 10:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What is the point even posting that shit ffs?
  
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  August 27, 2024 10:37am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Aussie rabid lefties don’t want Candace Owens poisoning their minds.
Electioneering. They know Candace is a huge Trump supporter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h2jQ-PMMO4
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August 27, 2024 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  Closer to home Marc Daalder at newsroom calling for a ban .
  
  But then he would , wouldn’t he.
  
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  August 27, 2024 9:27am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is shocking that the Australian government would consider refusing her entry.
  
  I agree with her on many subjects. However I unsubsribed from her YouTube channel because of her anti vaccine and anti birth control views. She has three young children who are reportedly unvaccinated.
  
  I am now suspicious of her judgement.
  
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  August 27, 2024 10:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She is the wrong type of black person, that grates these lefties
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:39am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The lefties that know Black Americans are leaving the Plantation.
      
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      August 27, 2024 6:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not sure about total anti-vaccine Benedict.
    Sure she was/is anti Covid vaccine. But husband George Farmer apparently got Covid and he was vaxxed with boosters I think. Candace is not vaccinated and they sleep in the same bed. She did not get Covid, or maybe yes and did not know.
    I had Covid according to the RAT test. I sneezed a bit.
    
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    August 27, 2024 6:07pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Both NZ and Aus are full of space cadets spouting irrational and bigoted garbage (EG Greens, Labour, Labor and TPM).
  
  The far left censorship complex are shaking in their boots over an alleged yank fruitloop allegedly talking garbage in some areas?
  
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  August 27, 2024 7:35pm
Vinicius

In the news item from Stuff linked below about a Horowhenau man committing a humiliating assault and sexual offences on a woman it seems like the offenders excuse was ‘intergenerational trauma’.

This is mentioned in this part of the item:
“Judge Rowe referred to a restorative justice meeting between Nuku, his whānau and the victim, and said she had recognised Nuku’s actions were part of intergenerational trauma.”

Is this yet another in a long line of feeble excuses that are allowed in NZ Courts by judges when offenders are trying to justify committing what is a serious crime?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350391303/horowhenua-mans-degrading-assault-leaves-woman-ashamed
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August 27, 2024 8:07am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350387798/hidden-camera-sting-catches-teacher-selling-counterfeit-warriors-jerseys

Ah, our “friends” the Chinese, masters of rip-offs and corruption.
You can imagine what they are doing back in China with knock-off copies of NZ milk products etc.

But just about as sad is the thought that many people actually buy this rubbish, including the “real” versions.
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August 27, 2024 8:12am
- MCōs
  
  I was watching the Indian cricket team play someone on TV and an ad flickered across the screen for their replica shirts so I looked up the site.
  What I presume was the genuine article sold for the equivalent of $30. No wonder everyone in the crowd was wearing one.
  Since then the Indian cricket team kit is made by Adidas and the prices have shot up.
  Same gear with some stripes added
  
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  August 27, 2024 9:07am
- Jake Dee
  
  It takes a special sort of mind to think that people selling knock-off are pawns in a Chinese plot.
  Do you know how long people have been making and selling fakes for?
  FOR EVER!
  
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  August 27, 2024 5:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

93% of Kamala’s staff quit.
Overdosing in joy.
https://babylonbee.com/news/kamala-explains-93-of-vp-staff-quit-because-they-couldnt-handle-the-joy?
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August 27, 2024 8:13am
Tom Hunter

A fun synopsis of Democrat efforts over the last year or more to boot Harris from the Biden ticket.

We really are living in Nineteen Eighty Four
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August 27, 2024 8:19am
Souvlaki

Hipkins settles on what he imagines to be a ‘sure fire’ vote winner for Labour….( not paywalled)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-mana-motuhake-former-labour-prime-minister-chris-hipkins-concedes-maori-did-not-cede-sovereignty-opinion/KCXJQTW7HFARDLE2BIHZN2SEKY/
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August 27, 2024 8:20am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hipkins is getting more crazy by the day, apologising for Luxon telling councils to get back to. OTE visit they want to partner with government on larger projects, now he has gone against every other single including all labour pms including Ardern that Māori did not concede sovereignty, this man is gettivery desperate
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:29am
- pdm
  
  Souv it is very obvious if the (on borrowed time) Labour Leader Hipkins said that Maori did cede Sovereignty his party would lose what little of the Maori vote they have left to the Waititi/Ngarewa-Packer rabble.
  
  Chloes wish that the Green Party be the largest party in opposition may then come true – even if they only have 15% of the Party vote.
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:30am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Looks like the Māori caucus still has his puny balls, even Ardern did not stoop to this, what does he think signing a treaty to be one people means ffs, there is and always has only been one government, what else can it be, I not he mentioned rangatira which gives the government the right to govern I would have thought
    
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    August 27, 2024 8:54am
  - MCōs
    
    At the last election about 400,000 voters were Maori (15% of 2,851,211 votes cast)
    Te Pāti Māori vote was 87,844
    I don’t know who the others voted for, but of guess a majority went to the Labour Party
    
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    August 27, 2024 9:28am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What about the Māori who voted for change? Any hard working Māori wanted change, done say there is none because that’s not true, friends in the pub to start with, but if they are level headed they don’t shout from the roof tops
      
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      August 27, 2024 10:42am
  - peterwn
    
    That is if the Green Party does not rip itself apart this coming weekend when 200 delegates decide whether to support the leadership dumping a former Green (now independent) MP under Waka hopping laws.
    It would be interesting to know if Marama Davidson and ‎Chlöe Swarbrick would put their jobs on the line over this.
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:04am
    - pdm
      
      pw – hardly.
      
      No one in their right mind would pay either of them more than the minimum wage.
      
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      August 27, 2024 1:59pm
- kowtow
  
  Then he’s not “honouring the treaty ” is he.
  
  Article 1 is quite clear that sovereignty was ceded and Article 3 confirms that .
  
  As did the two proclamations by Hobson.
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Article One:
  “The Chiefs of the confederation of united tribes, and the other chiefs who have not joined the confederation, c͟e͟d͟e͟ to the Queen of England forever the entire sovereignty of their Country.”
  Busby and Hobson.
  Google searches will bring up all sorts of corrupted rubbish with the text bent and twisted to suit modern Maori. Best left alone, not worth debating.
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:55am
  - MCōs
    
    That’s the English version and there’s been disagreement ever since
    Most Māori signed the document written in te reo Māori.
    Article One
    Te reo Māori: rangatira gave the queen ‘te Kawanatanga katoa’ – the governance or government over the land.
    English: rangatira gave the queen ‘all the rights and powers of sovereignty’ over the land.
    
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    August 27, 2024 9:41am
    - kowtow
      
      Hobson’s proclamations are very clear in content and intent.
      
      Post treaty we had the royal charter and letters patent .
      
      There really is no debate .
      
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      August 27, 2024 10:34am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        All of this needs to be laid out on the table fairly and squarely and settled once and for all. We can’t have the majority of NZers being not even sure the property they have worked for all their lives will not be seized in some future racist coup based on a fantasy version of history.
        
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        August 27, 2024 7:42pm
    - Phronesis
      
      Has it been ever since though? Seems to me that everyone agreed for pretty much the first 150 years. If there was real disagreement wouldn’t it have been greatest at the time. Pretty hard to pretend that no one noticed for a 100+ years.
      
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      August 27, 2024 11:48am
      - Swifty
        
        What is more likely.
        
        1. A massive, grave constitutional violation did occur and basically nobody pointed it out of made a deal about it for 130 years, or:
        
        2. Maori not ceding sovereignty is a modern fabrication.
        
        My money is on 1.
        
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        August 27, 2024 12:32pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Swifty,
        “1. A massive, grave constitutional violation did occur”
        Yes it did, 1975.
        
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        August 27, 2024 6:23pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Swifty maybe, but only by looking at the totally different world of 1840 through a 2024 fanatical woke lens.
        
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        August 27, 2024 7:45pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      It’s very clear from the most cursory reading of the speeches made by various chiefs, arguing prior to the signing, that they understood precisely what they were giving away and what they were getting in return.
      
      They knew that they were trading sovereignty for peace and protection from better-armed tribes.
      
      Edit – of course I finally find the article as soon as I hit the post button: https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/dr-lawrie-knight-fact-checking-waitangi-tribunal-finding
      
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      August 27, 2024 2:49pm
- Mr Nobody NZ
  
  This move is only likely to damage Labour and the Left generally as I expect there is virtually nil supporters of this position on right, where as there are likely to be those opposed to that view on the left who will be left feeling who to support now.
  
  Likely they will just become non voters.
  
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  August 27, 2024 9:02am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Greenies think this bullshit too, perhaps he is trying to stop the green march, I note their internal pollsters have been working, but I also note that no polls have been leaked for some time, even though the Labour Party polls never matched up with any other polls
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:45am
    - Albie
      
      If memory serves correctly, the last TV1 poll had Labour on 30%. How that can be so when you consider the state they left the country in I find incredulous, but then I think back to the 2020 election on over HALF of our voters wanted another 3 years of Ardern……Go figure. We deserve what we get.
      
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      August 27, 2024 3:08pm
- RoboRob
  
  Lol, that would be the same Chippy that, while we are facing huge price rises in electricity and shortages, says we shouldn’t be rolling back the gas exploration ban and we shouldn’t be importing LNG. The guy whos out there saying we need to stick to our climate change goals.
  
  Lets see how a dose of reality changes the view of some of these tree huggers.
  
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  August 27, 2024 9:07am
  - peterwn
    
    He sounds like this cardigan wearing ‘glide time’ staff clerk who when asked for help to sort a HR matter advises the supervisor of all the ways the matter cannot be handled.
    Next thing Chippy will be arguing that Lake Onslow should be built to resolve the current crisis. Problem here, it cannot be built overnight and will require lots of water to ‘prime’ the lake which means less water through Roxburgh Power Station.
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:16am
- Grunter
  
  Here’s the really confusing bit… Squirmy Hipkins says:
  
  “That doesn’t mean that the Crown doesn’t have sovereignty now,” he added, “but Māori didn’t cede sovereignty in signing the Treaty.”
  
  So, the obvious question that should have been asked (but wasn’t) is;
  
  “So when did Maori cede sovereignty then? If the Crown now has sovereignty, and Maori still had sovereignty after the Treaty was signed, when did Maori actually hand over sovereignty?”
  
  I must have missed that important date in my school history class….!!
  
  This clown is obviously just making siht up!
  
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  August 27, 2024 9:18am
  - pdm
    
    `Squirmy Hipkins’.
    
    Good name particularly as you could not label him Smarmy!!
    
    In a moment of brilliance Christine Rankin lumped `Smarmy’ on Steve Maharay 20 plus years ago,
    
    Just glad Hipkins is not my electorate MP – Biscuit.
    
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    August 27, 2024 9:28am
    - Biscuit
      
      No need to rub that in, pdm!
      
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      August 27, 2024 9:42am
      - pdm
        
        Some thoughts become irresistible.
        
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        August 27, 2024 9:44am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep , it’s glaringly obvious the guy’s a complete idiot .
    
    Looking at that nonsensical statement a ‘conspiracy theorist’ could say The Swamp wants the electorate off balance , confused and divided .
    
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    August 27, 2024 9:34am
  - Swifty
    
    He’s selling New Zealand down the river purely for political expediency.
    
    He’s that desperate.
    
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    August 27, 2024 11:12am
Scooter

After reading Benedict Yu’s experience with the Maori ladies asking where his whare is, next time any virtual signaler drops a Maori word into a sentence, just throw it back at them and ask them to repeat the question in full in Maori. Let’s see then just how fluent they are. Even better say I see you speak Maori how do you say…
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August 27, 2024 8:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I do wish Bernard (who I believe hails from Taiwan) had replied that his whare was in Hawaiki, and then asked the ladies if they were his long-lost cousins.
  
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  August 27, 2024 9:48am
  - kowtow
    
    Cousins ?
    
    Then they’d come to visit……….and never leave.
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:36am
Stellaboxer

Tulsi Gabbard endorses Trump. Not unexpected but great news to wake up to. The chance of overthrowing the faux left globalists authoritarian party is looking much more realistic now. WEF and other such international bodies will pull out all the stops to prevent this happening of course so this is going to be one of the most pivotal elections in our lifetime.
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August 27, 2024 8:25am
- Grunter
  
  The far-left (Dems) and the Deep State will now move to Plan C. I don’t have a clue what that is, but they will do whatever is possible to stop Trump, and now RFK Jnr, from getting into The White House.
  
  September will be a mess – potentially Harris will be shown up big time in the Debates and the far-left will panic again. Meanwhile all the Neocons will be beating their war drums even louder. They need something big to ignite in Ukraine and/or The Middle East.
  
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  August 27, 2024 9:30am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Plan C could be civil unrest or maybe a monkey pox scare to disrupt campaigning and voting.
    Adern used her covid regime to disrupt election campaigns and scare voters.
    
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    August 27, 2024 9:59am
    - Jethrod
      
      Plan C may turn out to be a stock market meltdown in September, when they often happen.
      
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      August 27, 2024 10:19am
      - sherp
        
        My money is on Joe being removed from office and Harris being installed as the first female US president and the MSM talking about nothing else in the lead up to the election… Still I don’t think that will be enough to get her the votes she needs.
        
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        August 27, 2024 7:22pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Grunter they are not far left they are the party of the establishment and governing classes. They gave up on the working and middle class years ago and whilst they cloak themselves in diversity they are concerned with their donors and personal fortunes.
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:11am
- NothingLeft
  
  The DNC will 25th amendment Biden to increase her profile just prior to the election. Buying another excuse for sycophantic media to gush effusively over USA’s first ~~indian~~ african female pres.
  
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  August 27, 2024 12:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Turns out Candace Owens is coming to NZ (or might be)
Holocaust Denier the media say. If only they could get their facts and fiction sorted.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/holocaust-denier-s-visit-to-nz-prompts-concern-and-condemnation/ar-AA1psQA2?
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August 27, 2024 8:32am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Oh FFS!. She’s a fucking grifter Steve.
  
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  August 27, 2024 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You may not like her but I do.
    
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    August 27, 2024 9:48am
    - RichardX
      
      Do you like her comments on the following topics or do you just not care about her actual positions as long as she is pro Trump?
      
      A small selection of her quotes are;
      
      “I’m not a flat earther. I’m not a round earther.”
      
      “Science, what it is actually, if you think about it, is a pagan faith”
      
      “What’s the one “conspiracy theory” that no matter what anyone says you believe is true. Mine is that the moon landing in 1969 was completely faked.”
      
      “I had to really commit myself to a long period of research to truly believe that it is plausible that this world is being run by a very small group of elite oligarchs who routinely practice homosexuality and pedophilia and who believe in Baphomet as a deity and who worship a transgender deity.”
      
      “We have a Bible that tells us the story of exactly what happened. And then it takes some modern Satanists to come around and to convince you that actually you’re from an ape.”
      
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      August 27, 2024 2:52pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes exactly. I do agree with her on many topics. But her anti science Catholicism just makes her overall too nutty. I can’t give the time of day to someone who denies evolution and who does not vaccinate her children.
        
        Still she has become incredibly wealthy and married someone incredibly wealthy. 😂
        
        Anyway it will be appalling if Australia refuses to let her into the country.
        
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        August 27, 2024 3:29pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        “Anti – science Catholicism”
        That’s an interesting claim Benedict. You must be referring to specific fields, because Catholic scientists has been at the forefront of science development for centuries.
        I assume that you are referring to her pro-life stance – no abortion, no birth control pill etc.
        You may be surprised that there are a number of atheists who agree with her. And there is also the demographic collapse in western society; the culprits, yes you guessed it, abortion & birth control.
        
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        August 27, 2024 4:27pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Oh oh. Some downtickers not believing the science 🙂
        
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        August 27, 2024 7:34pm
  - Inandout
    
    TH, all politicians are grifters so why not this lady?
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:15am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Because she doesn’t actually support right-wing ideas or policies. She just moves with whatever she thinks will get attention and money.
    
    For example, based on what you two have written here on numerous issues I would think that you both oppose the Maduro administration in Venezuela and support Milei’s in Argentina?
    
    Well, just the other day she praised the former and attacked the latter, while also giving as part of her “reasoning” that Milei had blue eyes, which Argentinians only got after WWII (wink).
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:33am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Could you give an quote where she supports Maduro? That is completely at odds with what I know of her.
      
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      August 27, 2024 11:50am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Mmmm. The reason I asked is that I find it extremely unlikely that she would in any way support or agree with Maduro, and avowed communist, which she certainly is not. She has been doing a good job in getting blacks away from the Dems & to the Repubs.
        She has recently converted to Catholicism which would reinforce her anti -Maduro stand and explains her pro – life position.
        
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        August 27, 2024 2:14pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        You can watch her podcast here.
        
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        August 27, 2024 2:17pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Thank Tom. I note on that video clip she states that she is not a Maduro apologist. She also repeats what is a common discussion point – the CIA has been responsible for a lot of political interference in South American politics – case in point, Pinochet.
        
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        August 27, 2024 3:29pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        …. she states that she is not a Maduro apologist.
        After attacking Milei for saying Maduro had to go. As for the CIA thing, we’re not in the Cold War any more, which shows in that he’s still there after all these years, unlike Pincochet.
        
        Hell, I’d approve if the CIA enabled his overthrow but it seems they can’t or won’t do things like that anymore. Besides their role in things like Pinochet and Mosaddegh in Iran was always overblown, usually by CIA people puffing themselves up to future Presidents – and then proving bloody useless at the task. What’s often missed is that a lot of locals were very much in on the scene for such things to work, like the Mullahs against Mosaddegh, which is not something they keep quiet about from 1979 on.
        
        For all the squealing that both of those events, and others, have caused down the years it doesn’t compare to taking down the Warsaw Pact and USSR, which the entire US military and security apparatus worked towards for decades.
        
        That’s part of the joke here: Owens is picking up on Cold War Lefty conspiracy theories and opposition to the US taking out the likes of Pinochet, and expressing them as Right-Wing takes in the modern era.
        
        It’s all part of her general conspiracy theory approach to things. All to get attention and money.
        
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        August 27, 2024 4:44pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I have heard her speak a lot on Fox, and she speaks straight down the middle, not ifs or buts, factual, how is she a grifter?
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:50am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Honestly you could do some basic research.
      
      She offers exclusive video consults.
      
      $US 22,500 for a 15 minute video call.
      
      https://app.minnect.com/expert/CandaceOwens
      
      Her speaking fees are $100,000.
      
      She spreads disinformation about Israel, birth control and vaccines. In other words she has poor judgement.
      
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      August 27, 2024 2:46pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Well Benedict, if people are mug enough to pay for her opinion, it’s more fool them.
        
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        August 27, 2024 3:32pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Bill and Hillary gather much more….
        
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        August 27, 2024 6:34pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Tom H most of the far left agitators are gold medal grifters. But that’s OK?
    
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    August 27, 2024 7:47pm
- NothingLeft
  
  She’s sensible on a lot, but loopy in a few areas.
  
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  August 27, 2024 12:10pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes I agree. Of course loopy on things like vaccines means that she can’t be trusted on any topic.
    
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    August 27, 2024 2:47pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Wow that’s a rather broad brush.
      
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      August 27, 2024 3:32pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Bob Jones is right on target with many things, yet he supports Kamala for prez. Many Christians believe people SHOULD burn in agony forever in the afterlife for an approx 70 year life of alleged sinning, yet they also believe many sensible things.
      
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      August 27, 2024 7:52pm
- Jake Dee
  
  This is where the free speech rubber really hits the road.
  Also, if you want to take a real eye-opening journey into the racial politic of early 20th century America check out the case of Leo Frank, mentioned in the article.
  A VERY brief thumbnail sketch. A young girl was found raped and murdered in the basement of a factory managed by Leo Frank, deep in the segregation south. A massive trial was held, Frank was found guilty primarily on the testimony of a black man. The Govenor pardoned him, but before he was set free, he was taken from his cell and lynched.
  ” the 1915 antisemitic lynching of Jewish man Leo Frank, who historians have determined was not guilty of the murder he was convicted of.”
  Is FAR from an accurate depiction of those events.
  
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  August 27, 2024 5:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

When gender trumps sex…
Jenny Ruth is very afraid.

I absolutely agree that “trans rights are human rights” and believe such people should be able to live their lives as they choose, without discrimination against them.

But a line needs to be drawn where their rights negate women’s rights, especially in matters relating to women’s safety.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/jenny-ruth-submission-on-proposed-changes-to-the-human-rights-act
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August 27, 2024 8:34am
- Swifty
  
  Quite right.
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:52am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  “For anyone who wishes to make a submission on this matter (the Human Rights Act)”
  
  https://www.lawcom.govt.nz/our-work/ia-tangata/tab/issues-paper
  
  Submissions close on Sept 5.”
  
  If you click on the link to have your say you are faced with having to wade through 18 chapters of details. That will turn many off submitting.
  
  Hope the link works, if not maybe one of the moderators can fix it.
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:55am
mandk

Yet another issue on which Hipkins is wrong.

If Māori didn’t cede sovereignty when they signed the Treaty, but don’t have sovereignty now, when did the change happen?

And what are the principles of which he speaks? Even the Māori Kingi says there are no principles; there is just the Treaty.
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August 27, 2024 8:36am
- sherp
  
  Weird how NZ not joining the Australian Federation had a lot to do with Maori being sovereign in NZ with the right to vote and the Australian Federal system having no such protection in place for indigenous people.
  
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  August 27, 2024 7:27pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/vast-new-foodie-asian-supermarket-opening-at-aucklands-westgate-this-thursday/USKHIFGATJCCTAH2RI7L5MGSIA/

Represents the changing demographics of Auckland.

But, westgate… had the displeasure of visiting that place.

How on earth did civic planners design such a clusterf**k of an area? The roading design is the worst I’ve seen anywhere in the world. It’s a carefully designed car trap, luring shoppers using big box retailers and costco, and trapping them there forever using clever chokepoints that ensure constant gridlock across the whole area.
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August 27, 2024 8:44am
- kevn
  
  surfing… Should have got our resident Car Park Consultant on the job. JAG.
  
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  August 27, 2024 9:13am
- sherp
  
  You obviously haven’t been to Northlands Mall here in Christchurch.. exact same road planning failure designed to create grid lock in even light traffic so nobody can ever get out of there…
  
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  August 27, 2024 7:28pm
Yvette

The issue of Māori sovereignty has been front and centre at major hui throughout the country. Following the Koroneihana (the week-long celebration of King Tūheitia) and after questioning from Greens Co-leader Chloe Swarbrick, the Prime Minister, Christopher Luxon, told Parliament he believed Māori ceded sovereignty to the Crown. On Monday night, Hipkins was adamant he believes otherwise.
“It’s pretty clear that if you follow the various court rulings over time, if you follow all of the academic research, if you actually follow the Treaty settlement process, that the answer to that question is no,” declared Hipkins.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-mana-motuhake-former-labour-prime-minister-chris-hipkins-concedes-maori-did-not-cede-sovereignty-opinion/KCXJQTW7HFARDLE2BIHZN2SEKY/

When legendary journalist Brian Edwards broke the 1970 Postal Strike and every “journalist” since has tried to better that in some glorified “gotcha’ moment, it seems all Edwards did was manoeuvre the Post boss and the Union boss into positions that were such a nonsense that only commonsense could prevail.

If two New Zealand Prime Ministers can take utterly opposite views on the the so-called “Foundation Document” of the nation, is the Treaty of Waitangi in fact just a bloody badly written real estate agreement with a strong element of protection extortion, and that extortion now reversed – hence its popularity with one side?
Not such a good look all around.
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August 27, 2024 8:44am
Jack5

Level of immigration’s an issue in Canada, too.

Rapidly rising population is putting pressure on housing and healthcare while unemployment has risen to 6.4 per cent, with about 1.4 million people jobless.

Prime Minister Trudeau has announced an overhaul of the country’s “temporary foreign workers programme”.

The number of temporary foreign workers employers can hire is being reduced from 20 per cent of their work force to 10 per cent.

A cap is almost being applied to international students and asylum seekers.

Last year, Canada’s popularion rose from 38.5 million to 39.5 million.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c23lee2z7zyo
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August 27, 2024 8:58am
- sirknz
  
  Is it coming up to election year for them again?
  
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  August 27, 2024 10:52am
Surely Knott

The progressives seem to have changed language and their argument again and incremental have legally erased females. At first they said gender is different to sex it’s your cultural expression and there are infinite genders. Ah ok. Now however those whose gender is woman are now claiming to be sex= females on birth certificates and now in court.
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August 27, 2024 9:01am
- Phronesis
  
  I’ve been reliably informed that the slippery slope isn’t real, it’s all in your head.
  
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  August 27, 2024 11:59am
Stellaboxer

Trans rights are human rights. What does that actually mean? What male to female trans activists are actually calling for are womens rights which of course is why they are so rabid about any descent around trans women being women. What they are asking for is society to join in with their self delusion and therefore become delusional itself. If you have a society that has allowed itself to become delusional around such a basic scientific set of facts then they are open to become delusional around just about anything.
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August 27, 2024 9:15am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I beleive Trans people have the right to be Trans, but it should not mean that their subjective feelings should be placed above objective fact.
  
  Trans women are NOT women. They are Trans-women and should be accepted as such.
  
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  August 27, 2024 9:35am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘They are Trans-women and should be accepted as such.’
    
    They’re men who claim to be women.
    
    It’s that simple . And no you have no “rights” to have mental illness or simple nonsense to be accepted as some sort of normal objective reality and to have the state promote that in law etc
    
    This is 1984 / Animal Farm stuff.
    
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    August 27, 2024 11:13am
  - Phronesis
    
    The irony is that the terms cis and trans come from latin but entered modern english via their use in chemistry. Cis means same side, trans means opposite. So a trans-woman is literally the opposite of a woman. Or as you say a NOT woman.
    https://sciencenotes.org/cis-and-trans-isomers/
    
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    August 27, 2024 12:04pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    “ I beleive Trans people have the right to be Trans” we’ll that’s cool and all power to you but I’m still confused. When did anyone say they didn’t have that right? In the US they have had the right to freedom of expression for like forever. In the town I moved into in NZ when first an immigrant in 1994 the women wore check shirts and the men wore check shirts only in more masculine colours. In town there was a person who was obviously male yet dressed and lived their life as a woman and nobody gave a shit. I never even saw kids giving them a hard time and to the best of my knowledge they are still living as a woman without hassle in that rural Nz town. So I ask again what trans rights do these weirdos actually want. Even when the community accommodate an individuals fantasies it’s not enough we have to BELIEVE and suspend rational belief. That’s how you know it’s not about trans peoples rights rather it’s about Marxist post modernist bull shit. Bull shit spelt out rather than abbreviated to bs because bull shit is what it is. I know personally two trans people and both of them wish to god this had never become a thing because as one of them explained to me , before they were accepted or not where as now they are humoured.
    
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    August 27, 2024 4:02pm
Paulus

Sad to read the BOP Times major headlines this morning
“Deep Concern”
It is of course from the local branches of the Teachers (Unions) about the changes to Maths curriculum from next year, and they obviously are not going to try and implement it, as they have their own agendas already, particularly in Rotorua who tell us they are experts, of course, in this.
What is it with these women we hear from all the time, who we would once have held up to be pinnacles of learning for our children, not just Maths
Now it appears they will do every and anything to contradict the Elected Government, via the Education Department.
If they are so good why are the results so abysmal.
I know, they need much more of their time to do what they believe they are expected by the Department to do.
Yes. more Ardern years, and miserable Chippy as Education Minister who must take full responsibility for the education failure from what we hoped would be intelligent Teachers, who only want the best for their children, and not just themselves, who are well paid, and hard done by.
Ask Employers what they get presented for a job interview – am told when they are asked to write their names and addresses then ….bum !
Very sad and disappointing really, but cannot see that the underlying philosophy of Marxism throughout New Zealand will and can be changed.
As I am in the very twilight of my life coming to New Zealand well over 50 years ago for 3 years, and staying because we saw a real futures for our children, who have done very well even so.
Just sad, from what we see and hear, particularly from the so called Media who should be ashamed of themselves, but they are not.
These people might as well be Teachers as they think similarly – some inane form of Anarchy by definition.
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August 27, 2024 9:23am
- imalwaysright
  
  Well said Paulus.
  If you think of teachers and the mainstream media as public servants, your expectations will plummet and their incompetence and overt marxism will no longer surprise.
  Sad, but it gets me through the day.
  
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  August 27, 2024 10:11am
Chuck Bird

I wonder if we get to hear the name of the predator or even the name of the party?

Party warned former political figure was ‘sexual predator’

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/party-warned-former-political-figure-was-sexual-predator/4YTEHDSABZEJJB4OXM7PJYYOLI/
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August 27, 2024 9:29am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Will name suppression be permanent?
  
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  August 27, 2024 9:50am
- imalwaysright
  
  There should be a mechanism for the innocent people who meet the description of the offender to publically declare their innocence.
  
  They all live under a cloud of suspicion in order to protect the identity of someone who has committed crimes of all but the most serious nature.
  
  That is a penalty the innocent should not be expected to bear.
  
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  August 27, 2024 10:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I know who it is, [Mod – let’s just leave it at that]
  
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  August 27, 2024 10:57am
- Libertarians are right
  
  That’s a very different situation to what the online trolls were saying happened during the last election. The party seem to have handled that quite well.
  
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  August 27, 2024 11:09am
Jack5

New Zealand’s Brian Leyland features in the UK Telegraph today with an article headlined and sub-headlined:

New Zealand’s Net Zero green energy disaster is a terrible warning

The Ardern government’s eco obsession leaves NZ facing blackouts sooner rather than later

Sorry, I can’t tell whether the article’s inside or outside the paywall.

Brian Leyland says: “The blind pursuit of ‘Net Zero’, has driven the closing down of gas exploration and the desire to shut down our coal fired station, even though it is doing a vital job in keeping the lights on.”

He also attacks the electricity market, including on the ground that electricity has insufficient price elasticity, in that when price goes up, demand does not go down.

Good on ya, Brian!
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August 27, 2024 9:34am
- Cassandra
  
  I’m a subscriber. The thrust of the article is 1. If you think net zero is dopey then we need more coal and gas generators or 2. If you think net zero is a must for our survival then we need nuclear. You can get the Telegraph quite cheaply <$100 pa, I recommend it. Personally I’d go for gas AND nuclear. I gather that extracting our coal is very expensive.
  
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  August 27, 2024 10:01am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Until such time as SMRs are established proven technology the smallest nuke is unfortunately way too big for NZ. Single point of failure and all that.
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:45am
    - Taieri
      
      Until such time as SMRs are established proven technology
      ————
      
      The first SMR commenced operations on the 17th of January 1955. For 25 successful years, as it was decommissioned on the 3rd of March 1980.
      Its name was USS Nautilus.
      
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      August 27, 2024 11:05am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘I gather that extracting our coal is very expensive.’
    
    Is it though .
    
    There’s lots of coal extraction going on here . We do use lots of it , much imported from Indonesia .
    We could easily open mine the huge deposits of lignite in the south and be energy independant . Go further and do the coal to petrol thingy too.
    
    Would probably be cheaper than building an LNG port and relying on imports .
    
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    August 27, 2024 11:23am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    I have just renewed my sub. GB P 280 pa.
    
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    August 27, 2024 11:49am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      The Telegraph is free to anyone with Press Reader.
      
      You just need a local library card.
      
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      August 27, 2024 9:24pm
  - DimChappie
    
    A great article. He says power cuts are a certainty in the current structure. Let’s see how popular the net zero target is when the lights go out and more companies are forced to lay people off.
    
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    August 27, 2024 12:19pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    NZ should build a coal to gas plant in southland to supply our $10billion a year oil import needs and help address our calamitous balance of trade.
    
    We use about 160000 barrels per day, and plant would cost something like $15-20 billion. But costs are about the same as current oil prices and we know for absolute sure that it would supply our needs (as opposed to uncertainty of exploration etc).
    
    The payoff is clearly there, with useful side effect of creating substantial heavy engineering technology industrial infrastructure in NZ.
    
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    August 27, 2024 12:20pm
    - artemisia
      
      Do you know if this is an option on the table? Seems like it should be.
      
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      August 27, 2024 4:25pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Cassandra: “I gather that extracting our coal is very expensive.”
    
    Presumably strangled with red and green lefty-numpty tape like nuclear is.
    
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    August 27, 2024 7:55pm
Notsofast

Another article for Matt Doocey and his cohorts to ignore while he waits with great anticipation to discover his children’s gender identities.

BMA members resign in revolt over transgender children stance:

“Hundreds of doctors have concerns about the union’s opposition to the Cass review into the use of puberty blockers
exclusive

Transgender people and their supporters protest against a ban on puberty blockers that was recommended after a four-year review
Doctors are leaving the British Medical Association in revolt at its opposition to the Cass review, amid claims that the union has been taken over by an ideologically driven “vocal minority”.

Hundreds of members, including NHS clinical leaders and former presidents of medical royal colleges, have gone public with their “dismay” at BMA leaders for voting to reject the Cass review into the care of transgender children and reverse a ban on puberty blockers.”

(For 1 pound you get 6 months of the Times)

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/bma-members-resign-in-revolt-over-transgender-children-stance-nvqd0vgv5
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August 27, 2024 10:36am
- imalwaysright
  
  Good post Notso
  
  Its looking like representative professional bodies are becoming politicised.
  Look at the doctors in NZ who were deregistered because they had medical concerns about the jab.
  Brian Betty was running the show here.
  I wouldn’t trust him to prescribe me a brand of shampoo nevermind a drug.
  Good for the British doctors, hopefully Doocey sees the sense of the Hippocratic oath.
  
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  August 27, 2024 12:13pm
sirknz

Oh Japan, don’t ever change…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350392506/sexually-frustrated-dolphin-believed-be-behind-attacks-swimmers
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August 27, 2024 10:42am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I wonder if they have a go at women and men.
  
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  August 27, 2024 4:19pm
Jack5

Steve Elers, a Massey social-science academic, says he was stopped by armed police while out jogging — because he is Maori.

There could be another explanation for the police reaction.

Elers, a former West Australian cop, has a clean-shaven head, is strongly built, and has a serious, confident expression.

Was he the victim of anti-bald prejudice rather than of racism? Did the cops take a shine to him – the wrong sort of shine?

For some, the connotations of shaven head are either “skin heads” or Telli Savalas. He was the American actor of Spartan Greek descent who played the Bond villain, Ernst Stavro Blofeld. Among other roles was Sergeant Big Joe in “Kelly’s Heroes” (the movie that Leftist PR arseholes borrowed the “Burning Bridges” song from in their campaign against NZ MP Simon Bridges).

Will there be calls for indoctrination of cops against anti-bald prejudice?

Would you stop this man? Steve Elers’s head here:

https://www.elocal.co.nz/Articles/by/Dr-Steve-Elers
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August 27, 2024 11:08am
- cmm
  
  I was once stopped at a police road block. I am white. It must have been racial profiling!
  
  FFS: He’s a cop. Surely he understands that cops who were out looking for someone will stop people who look like the person they are looking for.
  
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  August 27, 2024 11:35am
  - John
    
    I am male, white, in my 70’s. I have been stopped many times, several for driving a car, that was the same make and colour as that involved in crime, many times in breathalyzer stings (never found guilty), I could go on, but you will get the drift. Similar things will have happened to many of us at some time or other. The reality and the perception of reality are usually subject to one’s personal mental model – most would call that personal bias
    
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    August 27, 2024 11:56am
- Burtland
  
  its because hes a man – theres many more men in prison than women
  
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  August 27, 2024 2:47pm
Yvette

Grunter, above – “So when did Maori cede sovereignty then? If the Crown now has sovereignty, and Maori still had sovereignty after the Treaty was signed, when did Maori actually hand over sovereignty?”
I must have missed that important date in my school history class….!!

Grunter, I perhaps go out on a limb here, but I would suggest Government has sovereignty by customary right.
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August 27, 2024 11:29am
- sherp
  
  One would think gaining the right to vote for the leader of NZ to represent us would cede sovereignty as you acknowledge that your tribe etc is no longer your highest representative and it’s now the people you vote for…
  
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  August 27, 2024 7:37pm
cmm

Mpox can be stopped.

Yes, easily. Keep your pants zipped. Especially if you are in West Africa. Promiscuous people get Mpox more than others.

Interesting that the German Army thinks they need 100k doses. What do they get up to?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350392395/mpox-outbreaks-can-be-stopped-says-un-it-launches-6-month-plan
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August 27, 2024 11:39am
- kowtow
  
  ‘What do they get up to?’
  
  Monkey business.
  
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  August 27, 2024 1:36pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes – a pox on their houses.
    
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    August 27, 2024 3:34pm
- mandk
  
  If we can no longer refer to Monkeypox on the grounds that it is offensive to monkeys, is it still ok to talk about Chickenpox?
  
  I wouldn’t want to offend my neighbour’s chooks.
  
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  August 27, 2024 1:59pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No it is no longer called chickenpox.
    
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    August 27, 2024 2:51pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      That’s news to me – what is it called now ?
      
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      August 27, 2024 3:35pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It’s not called monkeypox any more by the predominantly loony left media because lefty speech gatekeepers have decided it’s offensive to the demographic most likely to get it (in the west anyway).
    
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    August 27, 2024 8:02pm
- David Garrett
  
  cmm: I saw an item on BBC News down at the Nuku’alofa Club yesterday…a couple of poor little buggers absolutely covered in large pustules.
  
  I remember my bout of chickenpox quite well (I had a spot on my dick, which I found quite fascinating!) This version of the pox looks waaay more unpleasant than what I had.
  
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  August 27, 2024 2:56pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Hob Nobbing with Gutterres were you David???
    
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    August 27, 2024 3:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes DG, some of us just got chickenpox whether we wanted it or not.
    
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    August 27, 2024 6:59pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruHcKuLUlME
Broken Promises | Pauline Hanson’s Please Explain.
Albo’s broken promises come back to haunt hi. So he makes a lot more, and unites everyone.
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August 27, 2024 12:06pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Very good!
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:14pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, she has good ideas, and good writers.
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:36pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHFFi3ccARw
Ngāti Toa CEO Helmut Modlik on the Treaty Principles Debate.
There is good and bad ‘raycism’. Depends whether or not it benefits the ‘right’ people.
Who knew?
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August 27, 2024 12:06pm
- Swifty
  
  “Racism, performed by whites in South Africa or the US is bad, very bad, but when it’s performed by us it’s perfectly fine and anyone who opposes us is the filthy racist, not us!”
  
  And they wonder why we regard them as contemptible.
  
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  August 27, 2024 12:41pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, exactly.
    
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    August 27, 2024 10:35pm
Skippytony

Is it just me?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/protesters-target-msd-office-in-calling-for-end-to-benefit-sanctions/ar-AA1pqsKq?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=e5092bd742b7428683190be10e056f8e&ei=49#comments

How many fathers could / should / are meeting their child maintenance obligations here?
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August 27, 2024 12:48pm
- Taieri
  
  How many fathers could / should / are meeting their child maintenance obligations here?
  ———-
  
  I have some sympathy for this woman. As for her 7 offspring…perhaps she acquired them by the Immaculate Conception?
  
  As for the general sentiment of this article…what can be said? All those “campaigners”, “co-founders” and “coordinators” obviously think that the Santa’s bag should remain bottomless.
  
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  August 27, 2024 1:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No other explanation, is there?
    
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    August 27, 2024 7:08pm
- greybeard
  
  Seven f**king kids, and no “man” around ? Come on !
  This is nothing more than a scam.
  
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  August 27, 2024 2:36pm
  - MCōs
    
    I sold my last car to a Tongan solo mother with about fourteen kids
    Her husband had had a heart attack playing rugby.
    In case you’re wondering, she didn’t tell me.
    She didn’t make a song and dance about her predicament, which I knew about from a mutual acquaintance
    I think she had a lot of community support
    
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    August 27, 2024 5:03pm
    - Taieri
      
      Was your “car” a bus?
      
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      August 27, 2024 5:59pm
- artemisia
  
  Didn’t Labour introduce child support payments going direct to sole parent beneficiaries, instead of offsetting the benefit?
  
  And liable parents no longer have to be named?
  
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  August 27, 2024 2:39pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    If liable parents are not named, they cannot be required to pay child support. Obviously.
    
    Previously, if a woman refused to name the father she got her benefit docked.
    
    Smart women now do this.
    
    Refuse to name the father.
    
    Get full benefit.
    
    Do a side deal with the father to pay cash at a rate less than what he would be required to by IRD..Mother is sweet because she avoids abatement of her benefit. Father has incentive to keep paying because if he stops paying the cash, mother can put him in the system for child support.
    
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    August 27, 2024 3:00pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      A few years ago, I knew one young mother who fell out with the father of their child and refused to name him on the appropriate registration papers to punish him. So child never saw the father who was not obliged to pay a cent in child support either.
      Taxpayers picked up the tab because a silly young woman didn’t like the father’s new girlfriend.
      What might have been best for the child didn’t come into it.
      
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      August 27, 2024 5:11pm
    - Phronesis
      
      In a country where your rights depend on who your parents are I’ve always found it odd that the State shows so little interest in ensuring you know who your parents are. It makes no sense at all.
      
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      August 27, 2024 5:24pm
greybeard

“Stuff” motoring article:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350392741/busting-ev-myths-do-they-really-catch-fire-often

( No comments allowed ).

No comparative NZ figures for
(a) EV vehicles catching fire in last 12 months vs (b) ICE vehicles catching fire in the last 12 months
except for this little gem:
“Sutcliffe said that of the six EV battery fires recorded in New Zealand, one was caused by a lithium-ion battery that ignited inside an ICE car which then spread to an EV.”

So can we assume that there were 6 EV fires and NO ICE-car fires ? I think we can !

What is the definition of Misinformation ?
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August 27, 2024 2:52pm
- Inandout
  
  grey, the afternoon ZB dynamic duo were discussing EVs with the usual fans phoning in. Two things can be taken from the callers. First don’t buy a used EV as the mileage can easily be wound back affecting the true age of the battery. Second if you do long trips stick with an ICE or hybrid and avoid distance anxiety.
  
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  August 27, 2024 4:42pm
Chuck Bird

My further submission to the Law Commission

Father Gave Brutal Rebuttal To Purple-Hair Transgender Person Argument Regarding Access To Restrooms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kiplRzCJYE
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August 27, 2024 3:33pm
Ghost

What disgusting bleeps. Anything for views. Yesterdays crash in Auckland

The aftermath was livestreamed to social media, which Counties Manukau Road Policing Manager Inspector Tony Wakelin condemned during a media stand-up this afternoon.

“I saw some of the footage. It was filmed before emergency services arrived, there was close-ups of people deceased in the van and injured lying on the road. I thought it was horrible, as did a lot of my colleagues. That’s not acceptable,” he said.

“I say to the people that are filming that, ‘How would you feel if that was your family?’

Article
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August 27, 2024 3:48pm
- MCōs
  
  I watched him talk to the media live on RNZ this afternoon. He took some questions and then remarked at how disgusting those people were who filmed the scene. He was livid
  Shortly afterwards he wrapped up.
  If it was me I’d be struggling to keep it together
  
  Social media seems to bring out the worst in some people or does it bring out the worst people?
  I read the woman who made a mess of the national anthem at an AB’s game in the US had received death threats.
  
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  August 27, 2024 5:24pm
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, I agree that footage should be kept out of social media. I recall asking a family member who was a para medic ambo guy how he handled mangled bodies when attending crashes. He said he had to put the scenes to the back of his mind or else he couldn’t handle it on a daily basis. Though he did concede dead children were sometimes hard to witness. Black humour among workmates also helped cope.
  
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  August 27, 2024 5:37pm
- rouppe
  
  S150(b) of the crimes act
  
  Misconduct in respect of human remains
  Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who—
  (a)
  neglects to perform any duty imposed on him or her by law or undertaken by him or her with reference to the burial or cremation of any dead human body or human remains; or
  (b)
  improperly or indecently interferes with or offers any indignity to any dead human body or human remains, whether buried or not.
  
  Tony Wakelin can do something about it
  
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  August 27, 2024 6:13pm
Ghost

Shawn Ryan interviews Donald Trump
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August 27, 2024 3:59pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Yes I must listen to that. Gosh who are the loser down-tickers??? 😄
  
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  August 27, 2024 8:33pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350393425/110kph-speed-limit-proposed-christchurch-motorway
So what ? According to recent news items Central Otago has roads regularly used by drivers going at least 130kph. Until they don’t.
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August 27, 2024 4:45pm
- Taieri
  
  Very little traffic on SH85. Even less on SH87 – it is possible to drive from Keyburn to Outram and not to see another car all the way, about 116km.
  
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  August 27, 2024 6:01pm
Jack5

The mad ideology of “settler colonialism” undoubtedly in minds of the Woke encompasses New Zealand.

A Wall Street Journal article on the ideology is reprinted on the NZ-founded web site, Arts & Letters Daily and thus should be accessible without a pay wall at the link below.

The article, by Adam Kirsch, says the ideological basis for current anti-Israel protests is a broader set of ideas about “settler colonialism.” He describes this as an influential academic concept that understands certain countries as inherently and permanently illegitimate because of the way they were founded.

A sample:

Shawn Cuthand, a Canadian Cree/Mohawk writer, observed in a 2021 article for CBC News that it had become fashionable for “people [to] introduce themselves as ‘settlers.’ Friends I have talked to refer to it as the fancy way of calling themselves white.”

Another example surely relevant to the views of some NZ activists: ” … every inhabitant of a settler colonial society who is not descended from the original indigenous population is, and always will be, a settler, rather than a legitimate inhabitant.”

The article:

https://www.wsj.com/arts-culture/history/the-ideology-behind-campus-protests-is-about-more-than-israel-e7f999f6?st=9wjy3npc85qnxr1&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink%20

if the link doesn’t worked go directly to https://www.aldaily.com/
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