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Yvette

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Is Brown Racism intergenerational? – and is mental colonisation passed on pretty much the same way?

Like any New Zealand born child, Maori children are a clean slate until their minds are written on by family or context. Some get an interpretation of the under-dog mantra which is regurgitated or extended in almost every mention of Maori in the media, like this near-iconic representation –

… Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch.*

– that was the exemplary version of the mantra back in February 2016 by Labour, for cheap political gain, being anti the (then) Maori Party for selling out to National, but at the same time repeating the endless trope of Maori being bottom of all social statistics.

Co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer said the party was demanding the Herald and its parent company NZME apologise to tangata whenua in all publications and radio stations, formally apologise for staff members and advertisers, review advertising standards including a robust plan to protect tangata whenua and a process for checking the accuracy of adverts.

That example of another aspect of the same mantra from media this morning.

Actually the first racial slur I can remember was one sunny morning early, walking down Russell Terence, Newtown, Wellington, I passed a little girl, about three years old, playing a bit out from the footpath with traffic whizzing past only a few feet away, and I said “You are too near those cars there. Play back over here by the footpath” and she said “Piss off, Pakeha”. That was just on fifty years ago. Passing a racial view to Maori young has gone on consistently for many decades.

Now, kids don’t read news websites, but this mantra of “Maori are dispossessed and so are entitled” is repeated endlessly in different combinations, and it is most likely parents who radicalise and mentally re-colonise young people, reinforcing their own beliefs at the same time –

Whatever thought you have in your mind is only coming from the data that is already been fed into you
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August 11, 2024 8:02am
- artemisia
  
  None of my 22 part Maori first cousins / siblings come close to that description. Mind you more than half now live overseas with their families, most of them Australian citizens,
  
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  August 11, 2024 8:21am
  - pdm
    
    `…………….most of them Australian citizens,’
    
    Working hard and doing very well for themselves and their families no doubt Arty.
    
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    August 11, 2024 9:21am
    - Paulus
      
      After going to Aussie, with no criminal record remember as a condition, because many of them did not want their children to be impaled into Gangs and the Drugs trade in New Zealand.
      Good on them
      
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      August 11, 2024 11:01am
    - ISeeRed
      
      And paying the Australian government and state governments lots of taxes, like the other hundreds of thousands of Kiwis there. Another reason why this country is in such a deep financial hole. (I don’t blame them one bit!)
      
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      August 11, 2024 10:05pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s the very definition of a self fulfilling prophecy.
  
  Of course, Debbie Packer & her ilk want this to continue. They’d be out of a job, else.
  
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  August 11, 2024 2:28pm
- Jake Dee
  
  “Like any New Zealand born child, Maori children are a clean slate until their minds are written on by family or context.”
  
  I can’t agree with this.
  It denies the possibility of innate behavioral characteristics. I know some people think this is an obscure bit of scientific theorizing but it’s actually fundamental.
  Every other animal on planet earth has innate behaviors, why not humans?
  
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  August 11, 2024 7:41pm
artemisia

Herald Opinion piece today (paywalled) – Unemployment rising: Tax cuts mean nothing when you’ve lost your job – Shane Te Pou

Mr Te Pou goes on to say This week saw unemployment begin to increase again to 4.6% – that means thousands more hard-working Kiwis on the dole line. …. Tens of thousands of people on Jobseeker Support represents not only a cost to the government, but it’s also a huge loss to the economy, our productivity and to communities right around Aotearoa.

Cost to the government? Probably the opposite once the public sector job cuts and funding cuts to non performing service providers are taken into account. Thousands of roles and jobs disestablished, though a big chunk of those cuts are vacancies, assume with no longer needed budget attached. Easy for those bosses to meet the required savings target while avoiding awkward questions from Ministers.

Those left without a job will go on to Jobseeker benefit, not qualify due to income and assets or take up another job. Whichever, the cost to the taxpayer in each case is a whole lot less than the savings. (Common rule of thumb is that an employee costs about salary x 3, no doubt more if the money tree keeps delivering.)

As just one example, OT service provider Family Start says it needs to lay off 100 FTEs due to funding cuts. Seems to be about a quarter of staff. Quite possible some will go on to Jobseeker, yes a personal cost, but Mr Te Pou could perhaps take a look at whether 100 are laid off due to contracted delivery not met. And why.

Meanwhile, the economy is improving except in Wellington. Is that a surprise?
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August 11, 2024 8:05am
- AitchW
  
  Did the article disclose that he’s a member of the Labour Party executive?
  
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  August 11, 2024 10:37am
  - Ghost
    
    It’s paywalled, But Shane Te Pou (Ngāi Tūhoe) is a commentator, blogger, and former Labour Party activist.
    
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    August 11, 2024 10:44am
    - NothingLeft
      
      …and union boss who used union funds to pay for prostitutes – after which he changed his name from phillips to te pou to try and hide his criminal past.
      
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      August 11, 2024 11:14am
      - fernglas
        
        Did he mention that the reason for the rise is because of anti-inflationary measures taken by the Reserve Bank to repair the damage caused by the Labour party’s profligacy?
        
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        August 11, 2024 5:01pm
- Damocles11
  
  According to Kiwibank, every region is recovering except Wellington. But I don’t trust anything put out by Kiwibank. With businesses demonstrably either closing or doing it tough, and no downward movement of the OCR, a serious pinch of salt should be taken when considering their findings.
  
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  August 11, 2024 11:43am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Dam
    
    I think I saw that on tv1.
    
    Apparently Southland is the best at 4/10 and Wellington is the worst at 2/10.
    
    The rest of the country is at 3/10 !!!
    
    Well, that’s a relief !!!
    
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    August 11, 2024 3:30pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  What if I told you tax cuts cause businesses to have more confidence to invest and thus employ more people?
  
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  August 11, 2024 1:04pm
  - artemisia
    
    Yes, for many on middle or lower incomes the extra in the pay packet is going to be spent. May not be much per pay packet, but overall, that’s quite an injection into local economies.
    
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    August 11, 2024 1:42pm
Chuck Bird

This is premium. It is about Labour and there oil and gas ban.

We’re getting close to an energy crisis – Heather du Plessis-Allan

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/were-getting-close-to-an-energy-crisis-heather-du-plessis-allan/WL3KPZEI4NH47OY7EBS7WUD6ZY/
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August 11, 2024 8:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Another pointless comment about an article behind a pay wall . If you are not going to provide a short summary of the journalist’s conclusions, why bother?
  
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  August 11, 2024 10:03am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    If you what to be informed spend $4 a week. It is not like what it costs to have Sky. It is about the same as paying for the Platform premium.
    
    [Mod – when posting a paywalled article please include a paragraph from the article and/or a brief summary]
    
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    August 11, 2024 10:08am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      This is like being in a time warp. 😂 To repeat my comment of a week ago, I am not criticising your choice of subscriptions. I am simply pointing out the pointlessness of you sharing links from such subscriptions here, without providing a summary of the article. What are you trying to achieve?
      
      What would happen if I posted pay walled links to the South China Morning Post?
      
      “Here is an interesting article about Wang Huning. I know that most of you cannot read it but trust me, it is interesting.” 😅
      
      https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3273809/chinas-third-plenum-highlights-quiet-rise-political-theorist-wang-huning
      
      Anyway, I am not a moderator. I have expressed my view on the practice.
      
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      August 11, 2024 10:26am
      - Jake Dee
        
        It’s a bit of an odd way to slide in an article about Wang Huning, a very important person who we really need to know about. It really deserves its own thread.
        After just a little signing in I can read the article fine with no payment required.
        One good thing about the CCP (and they really do deserve credit for this) is that the call the ideology and propaganda department chiefs, the ideology and propaganda department chiefs. we have to deal with “strategic communication coordinators”, “policy guideline facilitators” or some such guff and with job titles and org-charts that change every 6 months. That’s an obscurantist political system that doesn’t want to be seen and examined, even by itself.
        
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        August 11, 2024 7:54pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Chuck, I am surprised your conscience allows you to subscribe to The Herald. They lost my subscription when they whipped up mob frenzy leading up to the Let Women Speak tour meeting in Albert Park. They weren’t interested when I told them that their coverage had been unbalanced and irresponsible. They also decided they would set the target for 90% of NZers to be vaccinated – that isnt reporting on the news it is shaping the news.
      
      Two years later they are ringing to ask me back, not going to happen!
      
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      August 11, 2024 10:33am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I agree with your rationale. I would never pay money to the Herald or Stuff. However, to be clear, I am not criticising Chuck’s subscription choices.
        
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        August 11, 2024 10:54am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Ben Yu that is a fair point and I see the mod has given similar feedback.
        
        But I wasn’t replying to you, I was letting Chuck know that chucking 4 bucks a week at The Herald is financial support of propaganda against NZers – I really want Chuck to think about where he chucks his bucks!
        
        By the way Chuck, so there is balance to my comment, I have heard you ringing in to call back radio a few times and appreciate you taking one for the team putting a conservative view onto the airwaves!
        
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        August 11, 2024 11:26am
      - Damocles11
        
        I congratulate you on your stance. The NZ Herald has taken a leftist editorial line and allowing a few opinion pieces from people who are ostensibly on the right doesn’t change that. It’s a shame Chuck has decided to keep paying the salaries of rabid leftists like Simon Wilson and Rod Emmerson. There is little that we can practically do to combat the left, denying The Herald funds is one small area where we can make a difference.
        
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        August 11, 2024 11:50am
    - Damocles11
      
      Do you work for either the Herald or the property industry? Why do continue to state that paying to read peoples opinions is necessary to be ‘informed’?
      Surely information = facts.
      
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      August 11, 2024 11:46am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I stated, “It is about Labour and their oil and gas ban.”
        
        Everyone should know about that.
        
        I agree that the Herald is pretty bad I think they are shocking about not allowing anything challenging anything about climate change that does not support the alarmist view.
        
        However, they do allow good people like Heather who is right to contribute. That why I pay.
        
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        August 11, 2024 1:37pm
  - Ghost
    
    Agree, it’s stupid to try to have a conversation without providing any information.
    
    A brief look at the article. Companies are having to close while the price of power is too high.
    
    Methanex Running at half capacity because of a lack of gas.
    
    It will take years to fix and we need to start now. One of the key things that needs to happen is a change in policy from labour so if they get in they don’t cause this again. Also so investors have confidence that labour won’t get in and cancel any exploration or new plants
    
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    August 11, 2024 10:34am
    - Damocles11
      
      All of this information is already in the public domain.
      
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      August 11, 2024 11:52am
      - Phronesis
        
        Sure, but you can bet if Labour was still in power, it wouldn’t be in the newspapers.
        
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        August 11, 2024 1:35pm
      - Ghost
        
        The article isn’t
        
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        August 11, 2024 1:37pm
Yvette

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Kia whakatōmuri te haere whakamua. I walk backwards into the future with my eyes fixed on my past

‘ONCE WERE “COLONISED”‘

Healing may be a life-long process, but we do have some say in how it unfolds. If we block off our emotions and refuse to acknowledge the way we are feeling over time, it stymies our ability to grow, heal, learn, move past the tragedy, and write new chapters of life.

A kiwiblog comment a couple of days ago –

I think something major is around the corner, and it will be great to see the army deal with them. I am sure civil war can be fought by the army, surely.

And the NYT –

Context: Rioters clashed with the police, set cars alight and targeted mosques and hotels housing asylum seekers over the past week. The chaos was fuelled in part by an online disinformation campaign after a deadly knife attack on a children’s event in northwestern England.

This seems to be violence triggered by one incident but driven by years of social pressure.UK, Europe and elsehwere.
Tarrant was driven by his warped mental version of the same “Great Replacement” Theory – the “Great Replacement” and the greater silence?
How many others are there out there. Waiting.

And what if one Government gives a race / social grouping what they have yearned for, then the next Government has to take it away again
Are Maori being dispossessed, even this time of pretty much an illusion, and will re-colonise younger Maori further, over something that doesn’t exist?

Without any discussion allowed because the general mainstream media has become part of the problem with an agenda of its own.

The Einstein quote can be thrashed yet again, but is the requirement now a thinking different to what got us here?

IT’S NOT OK TO BE UK
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August 11, 2024 8:26am
Pineapple Lumps

I’ve been thinking that defining the Treaty Principles is not going to resolve the dispute about what the treaty means. So our political leaders need to approach this differently to achieve the same goal of equality for all. Why not just create a law called the ‘Treaty with all NZ citizens’ stating that the crown makes the same commitments to all NZers that were made under the Treaty of Waitangi. That way any future ‘scope creep’ ie radio waves, television channels, fishing rights etc get applied equally to all NZers.

Would it be possible to legislate equality to all citizens in this manner? If so it would take the wind out of the elites sails who are constantly fomenting division.
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August 11, 2024 8:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Equality is already there.
  The Treaty of Waitangi, Article three.
  
  “In return for the cession of their sovereignty to the Queen, the people of New Zealand shall be protected by the Queen of England and the rights and privileges of British subjects will be granted to them.”
  
  It’s very clear, Isn’t it? Maori were given British citizenship with the signing of the Treaty.
  
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  August 11, 2024 9:18am
  - AitchW
    
    British subjects, not citizens. An important distinction.
    
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    August 11, 2024 10:39am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      How exactly do you see the difference?
      
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      August 11, 2024 11:12am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      AitchW: “British subjects, not citizens. An important distinction.”
      
      You left out the very important last bit, Namely “THE PEOPLE OF NEW ZEALAND shall be protected by the Queen of England and the rights and privileges of British subjects will be granted to them.”
      
      That’s everyone. Part Maoris and non part Maoris. Same govt. Same rights and responsibilities. No ambiguity there at all.
      
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      August 11, 2024 1:11pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You got it Sir.
        
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        August 11, 2024 5:56pm
  - Paulus
    
    That is not what a Maori says in today’s University Maori language, as it does not suit them.
    
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    August 11, 2024 11:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Then maybe the University needs to read the Treaty?
      Oh wait, I get it. The Universities will be using the same rogue James Freeman version that the Waitangi Tribunal uses.
      One would think they would use the original English Littlewood Draft (written by Busby and Hobson) or the original Maori translation.
      The whole lot of Universities and the Tribunal are crooked.
      
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      August 11, 2024 12:07pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        They have the right feels about the situation so it’s their civic duty to bend the laws and norms to suit their feels.
        
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        August 11, 2024 1:12pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        NZer In Exile,
        
        This is why the Waitangi Tribunal rorting outfit needs to be shut down for good!
        Not “REPEALED” as Luxon and National keep saying. Shut down forever and a day.
        Trouble is the Courts are stacked with activists. The Courts allow the civic duty to bend the laws and norms to suit their feels.
        New Zealand has been taken to the cleaners since 1975. Almast 50 years.
        The Goose that lays the golden eggs (NET TAXPAYER) has had a gutsful.
        
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        August 11, 2024 6:03pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Seymour does not need to redefine the principles of the Treaty. The treaty is what it is. Written clearly and succinctly so that there is no room for misinterpretation.
    
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    August 11, 2024 11:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You got it too Jack. See my 9.18 comment. Am I wrong?
      
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      August 11, 2024 6:04pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    AitchW is correct.
    You have allowed yourself to slide from British SUBJECT to British CITIZEN without noticing it.
    Words have specific meanings and in legal documents those meanings mean most of all.
    What is most interesting to me is how these linguistic slides happen and the politics they reveal.
    Political discourse in the USA has suffered from a similar slide with “Republic” smoothly morphing into “Democracy”.
    It is important.
    
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    August 11, 2024 8:05pm
- rouppe
  
  Because a new treaty will always be “over ridden” by “the ToW came first”
  
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  August 11, 2024 9:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What is this new Treaty you speak of Kemosbe?
    And who is writing this ‘new treaty?’
    
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    August 11, 2024 6:06pm
Pineapple Lumps

National need to be savvy with their inflation targets for the Reserve Bank. With the economy in free fall and the economic vandal Adrian Orr indicating he won’t be moving interest rates it is National that will suffer from a deeper recession than necessary. Do you think Adrian Orr – friend of Wokeism, leader of Māori mysticism, enabler of Robertsons wrecking ball to our economy – would be pleased to damage National by driving a deeper and more painful recession?

Willis should reset the inflation target, to 3-5% for 12 months with below 3% the target in the second year. That will guarantee easing of the OCR and hopefully limit the extreme free fall in the economy. The way we are heading at the moment we will overshoot the target while businesses struggle to survive and unemployment numbers will balloon.

The economy needs a gentle hand on the tiller, not the buffoon installed by Robertson. So if National can’t replace him, they must out manoeuvre him!
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August 11, 2024 8:43am
- sirknz
  
  It doesn’t seem to matter who is in charge at The Reserve Bank, they are always 12 months too late reacting to external stimuli.
  
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  August 11, 2024 9:44am
- AitchW
  
  Surely the RB needs to be ahead of the curve, dropping interest rates before half the country is in arrears on its mortgage?
  Orr needs to go. He comes across as a smug, superior, patronising control freak.
  Get someone in there more interested in fixing the economy than in Tane Mahuta.
  
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  August 11, 2024 10:06am
  - Ghost
    
    His contract expires in 2028.
    
    I think government appointees of senior positions should be limited to the term of that government.
    
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    August 11, 2024 10:14am
    - AitchW
      
      Labour broke yet another long standing convention by appointing him for another 5 years just before the election.
      They really are vindictive narcissists.
      
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      August 11, 2024 10:31am
      - Biscuit
        
        AitchW. I much prefer the U.S. system where every political appointee tenders their resignation once the election result is known.
        
        The incoming Government (even if the Government hasn’t changed) can say ‘No, stay!’ if they so choose.
        
        Mind, the U.S. bizarrely allows the sitting President to inflict upon us his choices for Supreme Court justices and usually, those appointed individuals are there until they drop dead.
        
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        August 11, 2024 11:11am
      - mawm
        
        Biscuit – the President can nominate a candidate but it has to be confirmed by the Senate. This consists of a pre-hearing investigation, public hearings and then a vote by the full Senate. Consider the recent diversity geniuses inflicted on the American public by a Democrat Senate.
        
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        August 11, 2024 1:55pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      I agree, ending 6 months post the transition of power to allow time to see if they can work with the encumbent and allow for recruitment of the replacement.
      
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      August 11, 2024 10:38am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Any contract can be terminated and/or changed, if non compliance, failure to deliver and/or failure to comply with expectations is detected.
      
      It would cheaper to just fire him or nudge him to leave and pay him out his full salary. Unless he has ulterior motives, who would turn down a 4 years fully paid holiday, citing “I want to spend more time with family”?
      
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      August 11, 2024 11:47am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Croaking Cassandra has written extensively on options for dismissing the governor. In summary, he would need to resign. Dismissal is only possible in circumstances that do not currently apply.
        
        https://croakingcassandra.com/2022/07/06/what-might-be-done-about-the-reserve-bank/
        
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        August 11, 2024 1:13pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Break the contRact and pay him out. He has to go. NOW. This country is in great peril. National have no sense of urgency AT ALL.
      
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      August 11, 2024 10:12pm
- mogg
  
  Too late, current inflation rate period at 4% is to March 2024. Inflation now is said to be at 3% already.
  Secondary market interest rates have tumbled over the past two weeks. Trading banks are reducing mortgage rates on a daily basis, and TD rates, with plenty more to come.
  This will play out well for National with two years until the next election, CPI stable and a record of sound money management behind them.
  
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  August 11, 2024 10:29am
  - Paulus
    
    A number of my Bank TD’s rate have just been renewed at 5.9% for 12 months, same as other major Banks.
    
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    August 11, 2024 11:08am
    - mogg
      
      Unless it’s a second tier bank with lower credit rating, it sounds like six month term, just what the banks want. There is an old saying ‘rising rates go short term, falling rates go long’. Unless you will need the capital soon .
      
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      August 11, 2024 1:50pm
    - mogg
      
      Oops my mistake! but really it proves my point that rate is not available now.
      
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      August 11, 2024 1:52pm
- Damocles11
  
  But according to Kiwibank every region except Wellington is recovering. I don’t believe it but clearly some do. Katie Bradford said on One News a few nights ago that the Reserve Bank will be aiming to get the OCR back to 2.75% and if that is the case then we are clearly going to be in for more madness in our economy, more property FOMO, more housing crisis heartache, more of our younger generations leaving for Australia, and eventually a renewed uptick in inflation. Surely the neutral rate should be around 4%. Have we learned nothing from the past few years? We are living in a mad house.
  
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  August 11, 2024 11:58am
  - Quail
    
    Agree D11.
    The OCR should remain high until the Government achieves a balanced budget.
    Otherwise inflation will continue.
    
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    August 11, 2024 1:04pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Psst. Australia is undergoing a building industry crisis. Yes it’s better here than NZ due to stores of wealth built up by previous sane govts. But, “Labor ” state and federal here are busy undoing all that. Too many indifferent/grifting vegetables in the voting population.
    
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    August 11, 2024 1:18pm
    - AitchW
      
      Not to mention the corruption by the unions costing builders thousands of dollars. Tony Soprano would be proud of the way that the unions have corrupted the industry!
      
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      August 11, 2024 9:37pm
  - mogg
    
    It’s not all about housing, low inflation and low interest rates will help the economy to grow, more real jobs, better incomes, higher tax receipts, better health care, education, infrastructure the list is endless. Capitalism is about growth in the economy Socialism is about redistribution, we have just had six years of it, if it goes on we will be just another Pacific island.
    
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    August 11, 2024 2:02pm
  - Burtland
    
    walked through Christchurchs industrial Sydenham recently – the number of empty units up for lease is large – no sign of recovery there
    
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    August 11, 2024 3:04pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Rapid advancements in AI+robotics will put so many out of work, laying waste to many professions and industries, reducing or perhaps eliminating benefit of living in big expensive cities and reduce cost of building amongst many other things.
    
    There is also high likelihood of radical disruption in cheap house building by Mowbray’s Zurutech amongst others.
    
    Given that backdrop there is no way I would invest in urban real estate until after we know how all that radical change shakes out. Home ownership is likely a losing bet.
    
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    August 11, 2024 6:19pm
    - AitchW
      
      If the Mowbrays can improve the standard of cheap housing then I say more power to them. Too many cheap first homes look like shit after a very few years due to shoddy materials and workmanship as well as a lack of preventive maintenance on cheap building materials. Mass production of prefabs might bring more durable materials and better build quality.
      
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      August 11, 2024 9:42pm
Pope Punctilious II

The equality-of-outcome brigade are tying themselves up in knots because ticket prices for women’s Olympic events are cheaper than men’s.

Funnily enough, women’s sport attracts less interest than men’s sport. Hence lower prices to try and coax the public along to women’s events. But you just can’t please some people. Damn that thing called biology!
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August 11, 2024 8:49am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Well, you say that. Personally, were I at the Olympics, women’s beach volleyball would be top of my list, followed by the women’s high jump. Sporting event excellence at its finest!
  
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  August 11, 2024 2:40pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Ukrainian Yaroslava Mahuchikh is phenomenal. 1.8m tall, broke 37year old world record with 2.10 m world record earlier this year, and just won Gold – though with just a 2.00m jump.
    
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    August 11, 2024 6:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Evidence that Section 7AA Oranga Tamariki Act was harming vulnerable youngsters.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2408/S00067/media-misinformation-on-s7aa-a-disservice.htm
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August 11, 2024 8:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Moving children from wrong ethnicity care givers is just more racism.
  It needs to stop. Overhaul Oranga Tamariki, it is obviously infested with activists.
  
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  August 11, 2024 9:45am
  - Burtland
    
    the overhaul of OT should be used as a template for the rest of government – the infestation is endemic
    
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    August 11, 2024 3:07pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You know this “infestation” has been the plan since the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975 right?
      
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      August 11, 2024 6:20pm
Chuck Bird

This is as likely as the climate change hysteria promoted by the Greens and Labour.

Scientist Warn We’re on the Brink of a New Ice Age

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IqnhOzAnOI
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August 11, 2024 8:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dam. I just gave my puffer jackets and thermals to the Sallies.
  This all means one thing for NZ. If we don’t get our arse into gear and go nuclear, we are going to freeze our nuts off.
  
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  August 11, 2024 10:13am
Maggy Wassilieff

Do the folks in Te Pati Maori know that whitelisting is NOT the same as blacklisting?

“Until our demands for reconciliation are met, the NZ Herald will remain whitelisted.”

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2408/S00063/nz-herald-added-to-te-pati-maori-whitelist.htm

Whitelist = Allow list
noun [ C ]

a list of people or things that are considered by a particular authority or group to be acceptable and that should be trusted.

Whitelisting is a cybersecurity strategy under which only pre-approved or trusted users, entities, or actions are allowed to operate on a system or network.
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August 11, 2024 9:00am
- Mike
  
  There is a school of thought that discourages the terms blacklist and whitelist on the grounds that this implies white=good and black=bad. TPM might be trying to turn this around, which seems silly, instead of opting for neutral language.
  
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  August 11, 2024 9:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Most of the young Maori folk hereabouts are very tech savvy.
    They’d know that whitelisting means a favoured source.
    
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    August 11, 2024 9:34am
  - nova
    
    For a long time whitelist and blacklist were used in computing, but now the terms allow-list and deny-list are preferred. This is despite the fact that the original terms had nothing to do with race. But over time people forget where things came from, so appearances matter. An un-informed observer could thing they are to do with race so they are no longer used. So it is quite ironic that TPM are trying to turn the phrase around and make it about race again. This says a lot about TPM and their intentions.
    
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    August 11, 2024 9:41am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    The reason Polynesian people associate themselves with the word ‘black’ would appear to be thought colonisation by American culture more than the reality of their melatonin level. I think the average NZers would say they are our brown brothers.
    
    Interestingly, our national sports team, The All Blacks, does not seem to have an issue with negative connotations being attributed to the colour black.
    
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    August 11, 2024 9:57am
    - Mike
      
      I think you’ll find terms like ‘black’ and ‘nigger’ were applied disparagingly to Māori long before any influence of US urban culture appeared here.
      
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      August 11, 2024 10:34am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        You are right and the “long before” needs to be stressed as these sorts of racial terms/attitudes have not been the case for the majority of people I know in my lifetime. I never heard this said at school, in the rugby club, at family get togethers etc. While you can no doubt find outliers, this has not been common over the past 50 + years in NZ. Some here longer in the tooth than me might be able to date how long ago those descriptions were in common parlance.
        
        However, young Polynesians associating with Black American culture has been very prevalent. To the point that I have been told by a Samoan NZer that they see themselves aligned with the Black American struggle.
        
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        August 11, 2024 11:02am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        young Polynesians associating with Black American culture has been very prevalent.
        
        Nga Tamatoa, Polynesian Panthers
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ng%C4%81_Tamatoa
        
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        August 11, 2024 1:15pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The bad vibes went both ways with one side being a lot more aggressive and violent with the abuse. In my youth I was attacked, harassed and threatened several times while minding my own business for no reason other than having the wrong ethnicity. Thankfully people back then were generally a lot more civilised and most of those bad vibes were confined to a few stupid kids doing stupid kid stuff and a small percentage of the adult population. But sure, make a divide and conquer lefty religion out of it in order to have Marxism installed.
        
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        August 11, 2024 1:26pm
  - Paulus
    
    You recon TPM have a clue as to Black or White ?
    
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    August 11, 2024 11:10am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Their language is so divisive and inflammatory, if I were the govt I’d have a very close look at who or what is funding them.
      
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      August 11, 2024 1:29pm
      - Grumpy Silver Top
        
        I struggle to find any meaningful information in much of what is reported from Te Maori Party, so much rhetoric, so little truth.
        
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        August 11, 2024 2:36pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I don’t think TPM have a clue about anything other than racist insults from Te Cowboy and Te Irish Sheila.
      
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      August 11, 2024 6:28pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  But Maggy, this is TPM, the contrarians!
  
  We say Black, they say White
  We say wrong, they say right
  We say right, they say left
  We say up, they say down
  
  They want to take NZ back to the golden age of Māori dominion, with all the post-European contact technology and systems of course. They play out their fantasy daily in their minds while playing dress up in post-colonial steampunk attire.
  
  They would be comical characters if they weren’t political terrorists!
  
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  August 11, 2024 9:14am
  - AitchW
    
    They remind me of a high school student council. Full of angst for the cause du jour.
    Everyone else is wrong, and it’s just not fair!
    
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    August 11, 2024 9:18am
  - Grumpy Silver Top
    
    Fantasy, that’s the word I’m looking for!
    
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    August 11, 2024 2:37pm
- David Garrett
  
  These people are as dumb as the proverbial sackful of hammers
  
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  August 11, 2024 9:20am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    As long as they make ‘good copy’ then everything is kapai!
    
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    August 11, 2024 9:29am
kevn

Chuck… Global warming been and gone. I didn’t notice, must have happened over summer.
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August 11, 2024 9:16am
David Garrett

Meanwhile, up here in the Kingdom, we are experiencing record low temps at night…as low as 15C !! No duvets to be had anywhere in town
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August 11, 2024 9:22am
- Albie
  
  David, has there been any noticeable rise in sea level since you have been living there?
  
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  August 11, 2024 9:35am
  - David Garrett
    
    Absolutely NOT ! And as it happens my biggest client is the Tonga Ports Authority which obviously monitors such things…they tell me that while there are yearly fluctuations there has been no notable increase in average sea levels in the 25 years they have been monitoring sea levels and tides
    
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    August 11, 2024 10:36am
    - Albie
      
      David, I read somewhere a while back that some island nations have been drawing water from aquifers over decades and these aquifers have not been replenished with enough rainfall to compensate. This is causing the islands to sink, hence sea levels “rising”.
      Haven’t heard any msm commentary on this, and nor do I expect to, as if true it would go against the alarmist narrative.
      
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      August 11, 2024 3:06pm
- David Garrett
  
  Over on ‘Eua, 25 ks from the main Island. It got down to 12 the other night … appeals went out over the radio for people to donate blankets…not a lot of global warming up here
  
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  August 11, 2024 9:39am
- Ghost
  
  Down in Wellington when it gets cold they set fire to Parliament park benches.
  
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  August 11, 2024 9:42am
  - Mike
    
    Or a playground when the unwelcome feral visitors get bored.
    
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    August 11, 2024 10:36am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      You say feral, and I say freedom fighters.
      
      The peaceful occupation of parliament grounds descended into riots, fires and vandalism only after extreme provocation and violence from the Police.
      
      The slide — Trevor’s $500,000 effigy to labour government excess — was always going to be a target for a crowd that Trevor had treated with absolute contempt.
      
      The violence of the protests was in response to the violence the Government of the day had attacked the population with mandated job losses and exclusion from society of individuals who believed in their individual sovereignty to chose not to undergo medical treatments which without political manoeuvring would have been classed previously as experimental. The rights to not undergo experimental medical treatment had previously been legalised following World War II in response to atrocities exacted on Jewish people by the German state.
      
      So our freedom fighters, peacefully occupied parliament grounds, until the ferals in power got bored and utilised police violence to disband them. This resulted in the slide commissioned by the King of the ferals being destroyed.
      
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      August 11, 2024 11:16am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Pineapple ,
        well said. Everyone of them are heroes.
        Their biggest sin was embarrassing DJ Jabby Vax.
        
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        August 11, 2024 11:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I just saw Lydia Ko smile. That is about three times in the last three days.
Watch her lips after a great shot. I get the impression that she suppresses her smile.
Don’t take this the wrong way – she is in no way a sourpuss.
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August 11, 2024 9:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t know if what I see on TV is a repeat, but Lydia Ko just pulled a Gold. Now she is crying – and smiling!
  
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  August 11, 2024 9:57am
  - MCōs
    
    I suppose if your world revolves America politics all displays of emotion must seem totally contrived
    Maybe someone caught young Ko with this old trick do you think?
    https://x.com/brink_thinker/status/1822096561477656682?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
    
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    August 11, 2024 1:32pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Uptick MCos.
      There are some wankers in this World – you decide who they are LOL!!!!
      
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      August 11, 2024 6:32pm
- Eugene
  
  I like it that Lydia Ko does the sign of the cross at the commencement of each round – if any follower of the religion of woke notices this it must make their head explode.
  
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  August 11, 2024 11:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    But no Order of the Eastern Star secret handshake?
    
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    August 11, 2024 12:19pm
    - Jack5
      
      Steve, Freemasons are much too “old hat,” for the Leftist media. They see Masons as “yesterday’s cabalists”.
      
      Worse, they are male only! 😱 (Google tells me there are parallel women’s organisations, but, like traditional Masons, they are one sex only).
      
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      August 11, 2024 1:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Come over here in the corner Sir
        
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        August 11, 2024 6:36pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    If she was doing ROP rituals they’d be playing with themselves with excitement.
    
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    August 11, 2024 1:34pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She’s R.C., as are many South Koreans.
    
    She was married in Myengdong Cathedral.
    http://www.mdsd.or.kr/bbs/content.php?co_id=7010
    
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    August 11, 2024 3:41pm
Chuck Bird

I heard Jan Teneiti on with Tame say there should be a cultural aspect to teaching math referring to Maori. She seems to be saying that Maori should be taught math differently.
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August 11, 2024 10:12am
- Handyman
  
  Teneiti perpetuates the tyranny of low expectations, which is the worst kind of institutional racism. She doesn’t expect Maori to do well and looks for excuses.
  Shame on her.
  
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  August 11, 2024 10:24am
  - Paulus
    
    Remember that Tinetti was a head teacher in the lowest decile one school in Tauranga, so she know everything.
    She lives around the corner from me in what she says is a “modest house” – yea, about in $1 million plus current valuation.
    
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    August 11, 2024 11:14am
    - Hollyfield
      
      She also said in a radio interview a couple of years ago was that National Standards came in while she was principal and she didn’t know to implement it.
      
      The basis of National Standards was reporting to parents in plain language about whether their child was meeting the expected standard of achievement, or was significantly below or above.
      
      And as a principal she didn’t know how to do that. Says it all really.
      
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      August 11, 2024 1:47pm
  - AitchW
    
    And in doing so discourages Maori kids from even trying because the evil colonialists won’t teach them in a culturally appropriate manner.
    Way to go Jan.
    
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    August 11, 2024 12:39pm
- Michael Sommerville
  
  Did Tame counter her argument with some common sense and perhaps some science?
  
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  August 11, 2024 10:37am
- AitchW
  
  Maths is colour blind.
  1+1=2.
  Maybe Tinetti thinks that Maori Kids need to be taught that 1 kumera plus 1 kumera equals 2 kumera rather than oranges.
  More sad paternalism from the left.
  
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  August 11, 2024 10:45am
  - david
    
    I recall seeing a major grant ($0,000’s or a PhD thesis ) some years ago that had the title “Use of Mathematics in the Marae Kitchen”
    Can’t find it now but the thought – 10 people – 10 kumara went through my mind at the time along with wonderment at the ingenuity applied to either extracting grants or establishing innovative advances to the sum of mankind’s accumulated knowledge.
    
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    August 11, 2024 11:33am
- peterwn
  
  Looking forward to an alternative Maori or anti-semitic view on Einstein’s theory of relativity.
  Some math examples based on the pre-colonisation era would be interesting, for example concerning the Moa population.
  
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  August 11, 2024 2:14pm
- NoFax
  
  Perhaps Maori should be taught differently – connect to their experiences and the like. And how do they propose to do that? One way might be to start a charter school. Maybe?
  
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  August 11, 2024 6:09pm
Pope Punctilious II

Thank goodness CNN is there to remind us that Maori knowledge is combatting climate change “by land, sea and sky”.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/10/climate/climate-change-maori-new-zealand/index.html
How magnificent that sounds.
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August 11, 2024 10:20am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tim Walz went two levels above Sergeant Major Doug Julin to dodge going to Iraq.
He abandoned his unit with the knowledge of deployment 6 to 7 months before putting in his retirement request.
He has been lying. Why do that knowing that these things will surface with the power of the internet?
Beware, this is CNN……

https://x.com/VegasMike27/status/1822016856393437478?

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/08/09/bombshell-tim-walz-former-commander-goes-on-cnn-delivers-devestating-testimony-n2177949
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August 11, 2024 10:42am
- Mike
  
  Cadet Bone Spurs and his weird offsider won’t get any traction trying to swiftboat Walz.
  Try the tampon thing or stick to Harris’s cackles.
  
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  August 11, 2024 11:41am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Except Trump is extremely pro military/police/border force etc etc. The Cackler and Tampo Tim have a track record of insane far left policy towards all such institutions.
    
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    August 11, 2024 1:41pm
Benedict Yu

Dr Emma Hilton is a developmental biologist. She is an expert in developmental genetics. She explains methodically why the Algerian boxer is almost certainly a biological male.

https://youtu.be/_9rynD9KlU0?si=XCn9vqBMoJl9_a7M

Well worth a watch.
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August 11, 2024 10:49am
- Inandout
  
  BY, only it’s doctor will know the truth when a prostate test is needed.
  
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  August 11, 2024 12:02pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t understand.
    
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    August 11, 2024 12:38pm
    - peterwn
      
      She will not want a finger put up her bum if the doctor suspects a prostate issue. So any prostate cancer would remain undetected until she is on a mortuary slab.
      
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      August 11, 2024 2:19pm
  - Ghost
    
    The athlete is not trans
    
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    August 11, 2024 1:04pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Just XY(male) chromosomes, testes, built like a man and punches like a man.
      
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      August 11, 2024 1:43pm
      - Ghost
        
        It’s an assumption by some people that she has testes.
        
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        August 11, 2024 2:03pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        You’ve performed an inspection Ghost?
        
        Given the level at which she is competing, you’d think that matter would have been settled at some point with a scan?
        
        I believe also the testosterone levels would suggest they are present?
        
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        August 11, 2024 2:43pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes I am aware.
      
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      August 11, 2024 2:21pm
- Notsofast
  
  Stuff and NZH are not interested.
  They both say that it is falsely claimed he is male.
  Incredible.
  
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  August 11, 2024 12:18pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Well it might be falsely claimed. However why won’t the boxer take a genetic test? Yes that might be humiliating or unfair. But what about the all the other female boxers?
    
    To look at, this ‘female’ appears someone born with XY chromosomes and female genitalia.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase_2_deficiency?wprov=sfla1
    
    I disagree that people such as Richard Dawkins who make this observation, are monsters.
    
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    August 11, 2024 12:47pm
    - Notsofast
      
      This individual is male, and it is disgraceful that the media will support the lies being told. This is another classic left right divide where the left are misinforming the public.
      It is arguable using she can be justified, but that is as far as I would go.
      The people who make sense say she is totally aware she is cheating and endangering the lives of women.
      
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      August 11, 2024 1:09pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “This individual is male…”
        
        Maybe. Even probably. But you don’t know. That is the problem with the boxer. It is not the same situation as, say, Lia Thomas.
        
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        August 11, 2024 3:35pm
    - MCōs
      
      I would suggest that no athlete is going to take any tests not required to allow them to compete, and why should they?
      These people already have to take a plethora of tests and satisfy a number of conditions before they can step in the ring or toe the line.
      The IOC is running the games and they set the rules
      Any member association that disagrees with the requirements is free to withdraw from the games, but none did on the basis of this particular issue.
      
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      August 11, 2024 2:31pm
      - Notsofast
        
        You don’t consider the IOC current administrators with a profound responsibility to maintain integrity and fairness?
        They deliberately wrecked the games for 20 years with the poisoning scandal of young East European girls.
        They should be sacked to a cheating man and replaced by women who care about women and children.
        
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        August 11, 2024 3:19pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “I would suggest that no athlete is going to take any tests not required to allow them to compete, and why should they?”
        
        It is called common sense. It is more likely than not that this boxer is a biological male.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase_2_deficiency?wprov=sfla1
        
        The IOC surely has a dirty of care to all the female boxers. Apart from that, it is quite simply an issue of fairness. If the test shows that she has xx chromosomes, she should be cheered on as she thrashes her competitors. In my opinion a test is unlikely to return such a result.
        
        It is also hopeless to rely on “the IOC knows best”. It has a history of corruption. Sports administrators have been hopeless on this whole gender mania.
        
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        August 11, 2024 3:33pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Of course we had our trailblazing cheat with Hubberd, who was cheered on by our media.
        Caster Semenya preceded who is unequivocally agreed to be male, not least if he really did father a child..
        There are allegedly scouts in Africa to find DSD people with the specific and successful outcome shown by Khelif.
        It makes diabolical sense.
        
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        August 11, 2024 4:02pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Just an addendum. Richard Dawkins, the eminent evolutionary biologist, has had his Facebook account deleted. He posted about the Algerian boxer.
  
  In 30 years of following Dawkins, I have never seen him engage in anything other than science based debate. Yet Facebook knows better.
  
  https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2024/08/10/dawkins-loses-entire-facebook-account-for-posting-about-putative-men-boxing-women-in-the-olympics/
  
  I don’t use twitter but thank you Elon Musk.
  
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  August 11, 2024 12:25pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Mike – didn’t you say just the other day you’d like X to be moderated like Facebook? No thanks, if this is the way Facebook does it.
    
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    August 11, 2024 1:25pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Why anyone would be on facebook is beyond me. Let it, and all the other bloated lefty fascist surveillance/censorship/propaganda platforms die.
      
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      August 11, 2024 2:07pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      I think all platforms should be moderated, so long as I set the moderation policies.
      
      – this is the thinking going through the heads of the neo-fascistic authoritarian left.
      
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      August 11, 2024 3:22pm
  - AitchW
    
    X is a sewer. For every rational well reasoned argument there are a a hundred total nut job posts.
    I’ll admit to going there, there are some twitterers who are worth following, but you have to assume everything there is a lie!
    (Even when you agree with it).
    
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    August 11, 2024 3:28pm
    - Notsofast
      
      Stuff calls it a sewer so it must be true.
      No doubt they are all on Threads that no one ever mentions.
      
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      August 11, 2024 4:06pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Bitchute is a nuthouse but it is also a place where people can post largely free from the tentacles of the loony left swamp. So you do get diamonds and nuggets amongst the river of poo.
      
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      August 11, 2024 4:28pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        I’d rather be off youtube, but there is too much crazy to wade through and insufficient revenue to draw most interesting creators onto alternatives like bitchute odysee and rumble.
        
        Hoping that X starts to take more and more business off youtube so we don’t get so much censorship on major content creators.
        
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        August 11, 2024 7:18pm
    - Inandout
      
      AW, if X is a sewer full of nut jobs then why is Sir Keir so incensed with Musk? Twitter provides an outlet for a whole range of opinions which I note our MSM don’t.
      
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      August 11, 2024 4:43pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Maybe his account was hacked by an activist. Nothing else makes any sense unless the world has gone full anti science.
    Good luck flying if that be true.
    
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    August 11, 2024 4:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is quite clear today that the younger commenters have not had the finger up the bum. No big deal – it is not your boyfriend.
  Jesus, immatures!
  
  [ Mod – there is a bit of a chat going between us on about whether you should be reeled in a bit. You have been told not to shill Julian every day & you ignore it. We all know your (repeatedly stated) views on the Freeman/Littlewood things. Today your thing seems to be fingers up bums. You need to engage your brain before your fingers. If you don’t like any of this, then contact DPF ]
  
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  August 11, 2024 6:43pm
Ghost

This was obvious

Labour’s education spokesperson says she wants to scrap charter schools if the party regains power, potentially cutting short their return to the education system.

Article
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August 11, 2024 11:32am
- Notsofast
  
  Jan Tinnetti or Erica Stanford?
  What a riddle for room temperature IQs to solve.
  
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  August 11, 2024 3:25pm
Ghost

Ummm, Mrs Clinton, I’m not sure you should post anything about tampon Tim, this isn’t supporting your own “man”

https://x.com/HillaryClinton/status/1821189725849276644?
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August 11, 2024 11:45am
Jack5

The Wall Street Journal has printed opinion piece on the British riots by Dominic Green, whom it describes as a “fellow of the Royal Historical Society”.

Green is the editor of the US edition of “The Spectator”.

An extract:

Immigration and crime have turned Britain—until the 1990s a generally homogenous, high-trust society—into a balkanized, low-trust society. The traditional model of “policing by consent,” rather than coercion, has collapsed. Police have failed to solve a single burglary in nearly half of English and Welsh neighborhoods over the past three years, and they haven’t slowed the knife-crime epidemic driven by turf wars and the drug trade. Unable to control the cities and intimidated by Islamists in particular, government officials and police officers have outsourced policing to “community leaders.” The law is applied unequally, and sometimes not at all.

Will the UK’s newly announced campaign of teaching children to “spot conspiracy theories” mean Brits will ban the Wall Street Journal as a hate source?

Meanwhile, the “Telegraph” reports British Education Minister Bridget Phillipson as saying that pupils as young as five will be given “critical thinking skills to identify misinformation online”.

Thank God that Labour wasn’t re-elected in NZ. The Looney-Left, in sympathetic parallel, would try to implement courses of logic and symbolic logic in our schools before teaching our kids arithmetic. Imagine the Leftist indoctrination of kids.
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August 11, 2024 12:28pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “the UK’s newly announced campaign of teaching children to “spot conspiracy theories””
  
  Not like the Soviet Union or North Korea at all!
  
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  August 11, 2024 1:46pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Upside to rise of Islamized authoritarian left-wing govt in UK is that maybe we will get some useful emigrants from the old country looking for somewhere less wrecked to live and with strong anti-woke priors.
  
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  August 11, 2024 2:08pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Hopefully 30% two tier Kier will find himself without any gas in the tank shortly.
  
  The West really needs the Swiss system of democracy. Let the people decide, not the loony left swamp.
  
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  August 11, 2024 2:26pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    ~~30%~~ 20% was fraction of enrolled UK voters that voted for Two-Tier Keir Stalin and his repressive Stasi.
    
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    August 11, 2024 3:25pm
Inandout

Things are far from normal in Old Blighty.
https://x.com/search?q=%22The%20UK%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
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August 11, 2024 1:25pm
NothingLeft

Kiwi Hamish Kerr’s high jump gold was remarkable.

I had no idea that white men could jump that high.
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August 11, 2024 2:10pm
- Notsofast
  
  DNA sir.
  Don’t tell Rawiri!
  
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  August 11, 2024 3:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well the cheats can pretend they are girls all they like.
Still gonna need that prostate examination at 50.
Strange, not seeing many women pretending to be men.
How come?
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August 11, 2024 2:19pm
- Mike
  
  Perhaps you’re not going to the right parties.
  
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  August 11, 2024 2:38pm
- MCōs
  
  To be a cheat one has to break a rule.
  The IOC runs the Olympics
  Which of their rules have they broken?
  Steve Otto Rules don’t apply at the Olympics
  
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  August 11, 2024 2:38pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Are you referring to the Algerian boxer? She is not a “cheat”.
  
  She could be a female. All the criticism is wrong. She is good to go.
  
  Or she could be a person who was born as a presenting female who has 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency. (see my separate comment). In that case she should not be fighting females.
  
  Unless she has a chromosome test we will never know.
  
  Either way she does not have a prostate. ☹️
  
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  August 11, 2024 3:20pm
  - Ghost
    
    Her own comments, I am a woman like any other woman. I think the internet took over and spread too much hatred and misinformation
    
    “I’m fully qualified to take part in this competition. I’m a woman like any other woman. I was born as a woman, I live as a woman, and I am qualified.”
    
    Article
    
    I also see, like the female DJ from the opening she has also hired a lawyer to fight the online harassment
    
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    August 11, 2024 3:25pm
    - Jack5
      
      Beer belly, or bun in the oven?
      
      Meanwhile, reports the Telegraph, X-ray operators in Britain’s National Health Service have been told to ask men if they are pregnant before conducting scans.
      
      Radiographers have been told they must check whether all patients aged 12 to 55 are pregnant, regardless of their sex.
      
      This is part of inclusivity guidance.
      
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      August 11, 2024 3:32pm
      - Ghost
        
        There was a case I think in the USA. A man presented to ED with stomach pain without telling them they were trans, she was pregnant, the staff didn’t know, thought it was a man presenting with stomach pains, the baby died.
        
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        August 11, 2024 3:57pm
      - wsk12345
        
        I’d say the baby got lucky not to be brought up by someone that stupid.
        
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        August 11, 2024 4:01pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost: A “man” (my exclamation marks) presented to ED with stomach pain without telling them they were trans, she was pregnant.
        
        Instead of the ridiculous Monty Python routines, that insult everyone’s intelligence and make the enemies of democracy laugh with delight at their success in making our civilisation a laughing stock, how about medical staff ask ” Please state your biological sex. Without this info we can not offer the best medical outcomes for you”.
        
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        August 11, 2024 4:39pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      You must be reading different words.
      
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      August 11, 2024 5:18pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    They drug test everyone, so could use one of their samples to do a chromosomal test very easily.
    
    I’m quite sympathetic to her. Who would want their medical issues writ large in front of the world like this? I’m guessing she’s functionally sterile and will likely be denied normal opportunity for family etc that most have, made worse by coming from a less tolerant 3rd world Muslim country.
    
    That said, XY should not be competing with XX in any event where strength or endurance matters.
    
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    August 11, 2024 4:54pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Odd incident, this. Cops all over town today, in stab proof vests. They look jumpy.

http://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350374504/person-dies-after-incident-parliament-grounds
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August 11, 2024 2:26pm
Steve Todd

Kamala and Tim are catching fire!

I’ve just finished watching the Las Vegas rally. Wow! (as Tim would say). Another sell-out crowd.

Great to see in Glendale AZ yesterday, and just now, that both these Joyful Warriors have changed up their stump speeches a little bit (in recognition of the fact that we are living in 2024, not 1984).

“When we fight, we win”
“Not going back!”

Right! Onto the Convention, and then, after that, it’s all on.

(I can’t wait for the debates!)
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August 11, 2024 2:35pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “Joyful Warriors”
  
  Haha. Talk about vacuous froth.
  
  This pissing all over the people with such silly empty talk is either because they intend to try to win by fraudulent means or they know they’re screwed and might as well dance around in their silly circus while their ship goes down.
  
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  August 11, 2024 2:52pm
- Mike
  
  By the time of the debates Trump will be remembering flying in a helicopter while Marin Luther King told him that no one should vote for Kamala Harris.
  
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  August 11, 2024 3:38pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Want to walk us through that one???
    
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    August 11, 2024 4:51pm
    - Mike
      
      Prhaps you should treat yourself to the ‘press conference’ from Mar-a-Lardo
      
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      August 11, 2024 5:42pm
All_on_Red

📊 New Swing States polling by
@trafalgar_group & @InsiderPolling
NEVADA
🟥 Trump: 48% (+3)
🟦 Harris: 45%
🟪 Other: 5%
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PENNSYLVANIA
🟥 Trump: 46% (+2)
🟦 Harris: 44%
🟪 Other: 5%
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WISCONSIN
🟥 Trump: 49% (+1)
🟦 Harris: 48%
🟪 Other: 2%
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NORTH CAROLINA
🟥 Trump: 49% (+4)
🟦 Harris: 45%
🟪 Other: 4%
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ARIZONA
🟥 Trump: 48% (+1)
🟦 Harris: 47%
🟪 Other: 4%
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MICHIGAN
🟦 Harris: 49% (+2)
🟥 Trump: 47%
🟪 Other: 2%
—• August 6-8 | 5,600 LV | *IA polls (MI & WI)

InsiderAdvantage: Surveys of 800 likely voters (details will appear on InsiderAdvantage.com to come).
Michigan
Harris: 49%
Trump: 47%
Other: 2%
No opinion/undecided: 2%

Wisconsin
Trump: 49%
Harris: 48%
Other: 2%
No opinion/undecided: 1%
August 6-8 800 LV

Not much Honeymoon for KamalaI see Harris has stolen Trumps Policy of no Taxes on tips. Sooo fake. People are starting to wake up to how her and Walz are Extreme Hard Left
Minnesota is a disaster of a State with everything in decline. Choosing Walz was a gift to Trump
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August 11, 2024 2:55pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Trafalgar Group and (Scott) Rasmussen polls almost always put Republicans higher than other major pollsters. So take with a grain of salt. Mind you many other pollsters tilt strongly Democrat in same way.
  
  There’s a lot of gaming of results that can be done with sample selection biases, and good pollsters try to tweak their polling sampling based on comparisons to election results. Which would be great IF there were no massive voting fraud by Democrats, but also means they only have to line up with reality at elections and can put their hand on the scales to a varying degree at other times.
  
  These pollsters are being paid to produce a product that suits their customers. For strongly skewed-left MSM and deep pocket left wing tech donors and $multi billion dollar budget DNC there is obviously going to be a strong motive to flatter left wing candidates to create impression that they are popular – voters like to back winners and are less likely to get out of bed for languishing candidates.
  
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  August 11, 2024 3:39pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yes I have heard that Trope before about Rasmussen and Trafalgar but their predictions versus actual are very accurate and came out well.
    So the claim is wrong.
    Rasmussen is also independant and doesnt rely on funding and gets all its income from advertising.
    
    The NYT Poll is known for its sampling bias.
    
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    August 11, 2024 4:00pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      I see Rasmussen had Harris leading Trump by 5 points on Aug 2
      https://www.mediaite.com/election-2024/just-in-notoriously-pro-trump-pollster-scott-rasmussen-has-kamala-harris-up-5-points/
      *shrugs*
      
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      August 11, 2024 4:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Here is the data for Average Pollster Error in the 2020 Election by 538.
        Trafalgar and Rasmussen are in the top 5 for accuracy
        NYT is 18th
        https://x.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1674420791436513280/photo/1
        
        I see 538, now owned by ABC News has now banned Rasmussen from 538. Apparently they didn’t like their stance on Covid and talking to Fox.
        
        ‘Rasmussen is sometimes attacked as a conservative pollster that overweighs Republicans, but in fact, it typically overweighs Democrats and is one of the few to show higher approval ratings for Biden consistently.
        Ironically, FiveThirtyEight’s list of favored pollsters showed Rasmussen as the fifth most accurate of the 2020 race, ahead of ABC. And in an editorial note, FiveThirtyEight high-fived Rasmussen as one of those with the “lowest average error.”
        
        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/1492944/abc-threatens-rasmussen-polls-for-talking-to-bannon-and-fox-news/
        
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        August 11, 2024 4:56pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        538 have shit the bed and burned their credibility in favor of democrat-partisan propagandizing. They defenestrated founder Nate Silver for being insufficiently partisan.
        
        Realclearpolitics is best polling aggregator now, and also act as a useful both-sides political news aggregator.
        
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        August 11, 2024 5:25pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      There is huge spread in results at the moment, -4 to +5 for Trump:
      https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
      
      Clearly major sampling bias at play.
      
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      August 11, 2024 4:48pm
Steve Todd

I know it’s early days, but this clip (5:43) is worth watching. The NYT/Siena LV polls in PA, WI and MI each show Harris at +4, up 7, 5 and 3, respectively, from two months ago.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHRRJP2ZxLE.

Methinks something’s going on out there.

(I can’t wait for the debates!)
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August 11, 2024 3:38pm
- All_on_Red
  
  New York Times-totally unbiased//- snigger
  Trafalgar are well known for their accuracy in the swing States.
  I see CNN also say ” the movement towards Harris could easily reverse itself”- looks like it has.
  But early days.
  
  Todd- speaking of debates, which are harder than scripted speeches, here’s a compilation of Harris
  “the passage of time is about the passage of time” and other startling information, “Ukraine is a country and Russia is a country next to Ukraine”
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxI0180LHxc&list=WL&index=17
  I recall you saying you couldn’t wait for the Biden Trump debate.
  How did that work out?
  Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
  
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  August 11, 2024 3:52pm
  - Its only I
    
    Trumps isn’t worried about the polls, he said himself he doesn’t need to do many rallies because he is so far in front. No way Trump can not win aye red?
    
    I do think JD vance was a bad choice…MTG was my pick.
    
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    August 11, 2024 5:21pm
    - fernglas
      
      It’s “eh” as in stay, not “aye”, as in sty.
      
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      August 11, 2024 8:15pm
      - AitchW
        
        I agree, sadly ‘ay’ or ‘aye’ seems to be becoming the accepted common usage. Young people today, eh?
        
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        August 11, 2024 9:52pm
      - Its only I
        
        Eye have ah ways too go two ketchup to ewe.
        Your handle fits you well. 😀
        
        An yes, I reported myself.
        
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        August 11, 2024 10:13pm
- NothingLeft
  
  We see the NYT and other far-left legacy media lying about pretty much every political issue along partisan lines. But in this we should trust them?
  
  They are DNC propagandists, nothing more. (Just as FOX are in bed with the GOP)
  
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  August 11, 2024 4:00pm
MCōs

I came across this interesting commentary on X regarding the situation in England & Northern Ireland
https://x.com/doubledownnews/status/1821861011151847449?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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All_on_Red

Bonus
‘Remember that time Kamala discovered how electric vehicles work? 🤣🤣🤣
She thinks she’s pumping electricity like she’s pumping gas…
Has there ever been a dumber candidate? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️’

Video in the link
https://x.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1821664504872059333?
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August 11, 2024 5:13pm
- Ghost
  
  it is the sounds and the smells that let us know Joe is still alive, so I see where she is coming from
  
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  August 11, 2024 5:16pm
David Garrett

Chuck: How long have u lived here? It’s MATHS man…math is an Americanism
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- AitchW
  
  Again I agree, sadly the Americanism is starting to gain a foothold. Curse American tv!
  
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  August 11, 2024 9:55pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Try “pissed” with a GenZr to see how old and foreign you feel!
  
  American culture was already pretty dominant for decades via movies and TV. The Interwebby simply exploded it across the world.
  
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