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Yvette

“Hey, Bro’. this foundation stone has a bloody great crack in it!”

“No matter, Old Chap, use it anyway”

“But, Bro’, even I know, from the Holy Pukapuka, which the Waitangi Tribunal will explain us fellas knew about Pilate and the Jews, and like what governorship really is – from the Holy Book, which the Brian Tamakis of the 1840s preached to us – I am adamantly aware that you don’t build a whare on sand, and this foundation stone is like two bloody great grains of it, Mate!”

“Holy Kau, Tireva, just use them/they anyway – it’s not like you fellows ever grasped the Principles of building anything more than one story”
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August 7, 2024 8:02am
- fernglas
  
  What a load of incomprehensible drivel.
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Imagine if it was satire/sarc.//
    
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    August 7, 2024 3:48pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

There’s a huge hoo-haa ATM over Winstone shuttering its timber plant near Tangiwai due to rising electricity prices. One report I heard talked about $800/ kWh this year vs $100 a kwh last year. Cue much hand wringing by said media.

But, zero analysis as to what has brought on the change. Is it a lack of production from renewables, perhaps? Not enough gas to power the thermals? Or extra demand arising from excessive immigration?

I don’t expect any honest insight from the media, which is why I no longer trust them.
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August 7, 2024 8:05am
- RoboRob
  
  Well it’s ALL all of the things you said but mostly just a lack of additional base load capacity being added. Labour and Megan Woods knew this was an issue 6years ago and did precisely NOTHING. Now we are stuck with the result of their total inactivity. It will take 10 years to begin reversing the trend. In the meantime businessed, jobs and residential users will suffer.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:16am
  - Ian Boag
    
    The power companies are public companies. What exactly was gummint supposed to do build more power stations?
    
    In the (bad?) old days this would have been NZED’s job …. horrid socialist thing 🙂
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:22am
    - Spam
      
      Well, things like promoting Lake Onslow created uncertainty in the electricity market, that disincentivized investment.
      
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      August 7, 2024 9:41am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The Onslow pushing water uphill was a silly brain fart from Auckland University I think. Another one of these “I did this, aren’t I clever?” things.
        
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        August 7, 2024 3:51pm
    - Cassandra
      
      The government is still heavily involved, Ian. The Captain’s Call is a very good example of how a government can change an industry dramatically, and there are myriad others. RMA, zoning, water regs, safety, commercial law, international relations, ports, a long list.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:02am
    - Taieri
      
      The power companies are public companies.
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      They are. But the majority shareholder in, for example, Meridian Energy or Genesis Energy is still the NZ Government. While it can’t order these companies around, it can certainly seriously influence their investment policy.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:28am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Govt is central to privative companies investment plans as you know full well Ian.
      
      The Labour ministry of Ardern and Hipkins destroyed certainty for the power industry by:
      
      1/ Demanding via various programs, investment in unreliables (Solar and Wind to you) – this comes with high opportunity costs in terms of planning resources, investment funds for initial build and OPEX allocation for ongoing Maintain & Operate
      
      2/ Crucially Ardern, in an ego move completely against advise from the Energy geeks at MBIE, unilaterally ban ongoing Oil and Gas exploration. Kneecapping NZ energy security for decades.
      
      3/ The Labour government stupidly pursued an uneconomic ‘Battery’ concept via pumped hydro storage. Again diversion of resource to an idea that has been widely debunked by power industry experts commenting on this blog and elsewhere.
      
      In summary; Labour 2017 to 2023 was the worse government of my lifetime and squandered a moderate Government fiscal and general NZ economic position with acts of pure spite (water policy) and pure stupidity (Oil & Gas exploration)
      on top of a disastrous COVID policies.
      
      Those COVID policies of lockdown, borrow and spend on non productive projects and then encouraged and underwrote the RBNZ massively expanding NZ’s money supply. Those last two points have driven large inflation spike in NZ – much to the detriment of low earners and those on fixed incomes (e.g. pensioners etc)
      
      The power Industry has tried to get more hydro build – only to be endlessly blocked by the Greens and Labour (think West Coast hydro, think additional central Otago hydro)
      
      So yeah, the Government is a huge stumbling block to private power companies via policy and regulation.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:29am
      - Ian Boag
        
        The power Industry has tried to get more hydro build
        
        West Coast and Waitaki.
        
        Every little bit helps …. IIRC the West Coast one was piddly – something like 30MW give or take a bit.
        
        The Waitaki run-of-the river scheme IIRC was always a bit doubtful.
        
        pursued an uneconomic ‘Battery’ concept via pumped hydro storage
        
        The gentailers weren’t involved in this IIRC. So it shouldn’t have affected any of their decisions re new capacity. It wasn’t going to produce any net electricity – just change the time of day when it was required.
        
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        August 7, 2024 2:04pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Then she runs away, tilts her silly head and smiles, without ANY responsibility.
        That gets my goat.
        
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        August 7, 2024 3:53pm
    - peterwn
      
      The problem with direct Government involvement is the Government bears the final responsibility for load predictions. There were a couple of committees set up to predict load and set a 15 year power plan and they estimated the best they can and arguably a bit on the generous side. Treasury would often make a dissenting opinion that growth would be lower but that view was generally ignored because politicians recognised that power shortages were politically unacceptable (they get a bit on the bum to remind them of this each decade or two). In line with other Rogernomics things the Government decided it was not going to take Sovereign responsibility for over-estimating and wanted the market and shareholders to bear that responsibility.
      Frankly, despite hiccups along the way, the big four Gentailers and Infratil/Manawa(formerly Trustpower) have done an excellent job of predicting and organising works to keep on top of demand just in time. The biggest issue they currently face is the aftermath of Jacinda’s ‘Captain’s Call’) on oil/gas exploration which has sidelined some peaking/emergency gas fired plant. Nevertheless they are plugging away the best they can to bring new generation on line and would be working on ‘storage’ and possible LNG imports although commercial sensitivity would surround that work.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:37am
      - Ian Boag
        
        they are plugging away the best they can to bring new generation on line
        
        It’s 25 years since the market was reformed away from Electricorp and the NZED before that. The pluggting away is not doing much. If I have it right there has not been a lot of new capacity added to the network since then …. why would the gentailers bother? They make good money out of what they do and if the country runs out of power it’s not their problem ….
        
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        August 7, 2024 2:08pm
      - gravedodger
        
        Reply to Boag above as reply not avail on that post.
        Yes The now abandoned Waitaha scheme was “Piddly”, it was designed to give a degree of supply security to The Coast should Transpower fail somewhere across the Alps.
        A very real threat as time extends into the rupture of the Alpine fault that will occur eventually.
        The scheme involved a diversion of the stream at a significant Loop and was apparently scuttled because a few white Water aficionados might have one small opportunity denied.
        I am left wondering how many have traversed that bit of the Waitaha since?
        
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        August 7, 2024 4:05pm
  - nathie
    
    Wasn’t it reported that Megan Woods inquired about setting up a LNG import terminal in NZ but was put off by the cost?
    
    Despite Labour borrowing $ billions (with nothing to show for in the end), which could have funded it?
    
    Pity it could have been Labour’s defining “think big” moment that would have been talked up by their supporters for decades ahead!
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:23am
    - Taieri
      
      Wasn’t it reported that Megan Woods inquired about setting up a LNG import terminal in NZ but was put off by the cost?
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      I’ve written about it before, but will repeat it. The cost of a LNG import terminal for NZ is not prohibitively high, particularly if FSRU (Floating Storage and Regasification Unit) was to be chosen and a private operator was contracted. Countries much poorer that NZ successfully operate such terminals. One can be set up as an operational entity within about 2-3 years.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:34am
    - Drone
      
      Part of the problem with electricity supply is the fact that the National Government sold the generator companies and handed the responsibility to private wealth funds that don’t have the welfare of ordinary New Zealanders as their primary focus. That and the belief that wind generation will produce low-cost power, it will never happen. Ultimately when the crisis becomes super critical whoever is in government can kill the Tiwai aluminium plant and free up many megawatts.
      
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      August 7, 2024 11:12am
      - Jack5
        
        Private wealth funds don’t dominate the NZ electricity business. Meridian, Contact Energy, and Genesis are all listed on the NZ Stock Exchange.
        
        If you closed the Tiwai aluminium smelter, which provides more than a billion dollars of exports a year for NZ, you would have the problem getting the power to Auckland, on another island, and about 1600km away.
        
        At least 5 per cent of the power would be lost in transmission – after upgrading the lines network for a billion or two dollars.
        
        Then there is the fact that the smelter is an economic buyer – steady take, night and day, through weekends, and there’s only one bill to work out for the power company, compared with billing scores of thousands of homes and offices in Auckland.
        
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        August 7, 2024 12:06pm
      - Jack5
        
        Cook Strait power cables nearing replacement date:
        
        https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU2408/S00077/transpower-seeks-feedback-ahead-of-cook-strait-cable-replacement.htm
        
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        August 7, 2024 1:38pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Jack5, we should drop the cable shit and Auckland just go NUCLEAR!
        Wind and solar my left tit. Cable my left tit.
        Just go NUCLEAR, like yesterday.
        
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        August 7, 2024 4:05pm
- nathie
  
  I don’t expect any honest insight from the media, which is why I no longer trust them.
  
  Yep, no mention of Labour’s “Captain Calls” (eg oil and gas ban) being a contributing factor.
  
  And when Labour is asked by the media for comment, they roll out Megan Woods, who instead of acknowledging poor decision making in the past as a contributing factor, she “gaslights” and deflects by blaming National for investing enough in renewable energy!
  
  (Plus which would only make things worse)!
  
  Where is the MSM critique of Labour’s poor decision making?
  
  And why isn’t Labour being held to account for their “economic arson” they have inflicted on NZ and continue to flaunt?
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:19am
- Mod88
  
  Just the beginning given that Gas is at pre-1976 levels. New Zealand is in for a torrid time make no mistake.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:19am
- wsk12345
  
  Low lake levels (and won’t be much snow melt this spring either by looks of it).
  Cancellation of oil and gas exploration and coal being labelled as the worst energy source of all means no plans for new thermals. What company would invest in coal and destroy their brand?
  Tiwai smelter uncertainty as they let the contract roll over year by year – gens didn’t invest strongly, even if they could because their new plant could end up mothballed if Towai shut down (water has a much lower short run marginal cost). Lake Onslow, similar chilling impact on investment.
  
  What we need – a big ass new clean burning coal station in the North Island. Open up oil and gas exploration and hope for the best (or govt sets up own business). Open up hydro options – tell the iwi and DOC to F.off. Review connection of intermittent generation sources to ensure they are bearing the full cost of connection and operation. That would be a good start.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:51am
  - Clyde
    
    Agree – but more power needs to be generated in the North Island. DoC and all these minority East Polynesian groups need to be given the strong message that while their opinions may be held that the big majority don’t need to beholden to them. Bring on more hydro, more gas, clean burning coal and if suitable, nuclear.
    
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    August 7, 2024 11:34am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not much snow melt? We have just come of a major snow in the high country from one end of the SI to another, and I think it’s being reported more snow tomorrow, many place in the McKenzie country got 2/3 of a metre
    
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    August 7, 2024 11:34am
    - wsk12345
      
      Not a lot for this time of year in aggregate.
      Snow melt provides 80% of the water to the South Island hydro lakes. That is why prices are so high atm – lakes are low and forward expectations are for low lake levels through summer. Hydro is priced based on the cost of the alternative which at the margin is….presumably a combo of coal, diesel and load shedding/dispatchable demand.
      
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      August 7, 2024 1:45pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Open up hydro options ..
    
    If only they existed …. 🙁
    
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    August 7, 2024 2:10pm
    - Mike
      
      A dam at the Taita Gorge would do lots of good. Electricity, water storage and the added benefit of submerging Upper Hutt.
      
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      August 7, 2024 2:16pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Too many local voodoo issues to get the go ahead Boag?
      
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      August 7, 2024 7:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Huntly is built on a coalfield. Wonder why the fuck they did that?
    Beyond me.
    
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    August 7, 2024 4:09pm
- peterwn
  
  Yes, most of the time they have been able to purchase electricity at a low spot price and enjoyed the savings. Then they hit a temporary period where the spot price and consider that it is more profitable to temporarily shut down rather than pay a high spot price. This is not a market failure, it is precisely how the market is intended to work. It is called demand side management. It is like the old fashioned rack. The torturer turns the wheel until the prisoner confesses. In a time of electricity shortage, as the spot price increases more and more customers reduce consumption such that available generation continues to meet demand.
  And in general a customer cannot move from spot price to contract when the market is tight. No supplier is interested in negotiating contracts then. And then major customers and small time retailers like Electric Kiwi complain to the Electricity Authority, the Minister and anyone else who will listen that the market is unfair, has failed, is rigged blah blah.
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:19am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  There must be a bit of concern about lake levels at the mo. Yesterday, not at peak time, I saw the coal generation cranking away near full capacity and even diesel generation running.
  Oddly, they hadn’t turned up the wind and solar generation. It’s almost as though they can’t be relied on in times of shortage. /s.
  
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  August 7, 2024 11:01am
  - Drone
    
    You can’t turn the wind generation up Chris, it may be cheap but it relies upon the wind //sarc
    
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    August 7, 2024 11:16am
- O C Smith
  
  https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data
  
  Details electricity usage & production. Not the pitiful amount produced via the “new renewables” wind & solar.
  
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  August 7, 2024 11:07am
  - Hard Cheese
    
    Barely half of the generation using coal. But I assume you have no problem with increasing wind and solar and decreasing use of coal?
    
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    August 7, 2024 12:37pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Also no problem with the stove, lights, and TV running at half mast, along with the EV charger!
      
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      August 7, 2024 4:11pm
- Handyman
  
  For context, the power for the Winstone pulp mill is not just to keep the lights on in the office. The power is used to power enormous grinders that rip logs into little shreds ie pulp. Power is the main cost of production.
  The plant is located in the middle of the North Island hydro schemes, so is analogous to Tiwai point. That is, a very large user of electricity with nearby low-cost generation that is compelled (by government via Transpower) to pay the average transmission cost of all New Zealand. So, many years after the plant was built, Winstone is forced to subsidise the Cook Straight cable and also subsidise the faraway wind generators.
  
  I imagine negotiations will arrive at the Tiwai model, eventually carving out a deal to keep the plant going.
  
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  August 7, 2024 11:32am
Matt Long

I’ve discovered the missing key to disproportionate statistics of Maori in prisons, crime, poverty, health, child abuse, etcetera.
All people with any proportion of European ancestry will now be classed as European New Zealander, totally emptying the prisons of Maori, and opening the way to targeting actual causes of social malaise, rather than ethnic finger pointing and race based prejudice.
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August 7, 2024 8:10am
- Phronesis
  
  That would require some people to stop identifying as maori. Much easier for everyone to identify as maori. We are all people of this land after all. There is no definition of maori, it is increasingly as meaningless as the word “woman” (unfortunately for women).
  
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  August 7, 2024 8:37am
  - Damocles11
    
    It should be enough for someone to ‘feel Maori’ and ‘identify as Maori’. Asking someone what Hapu or Iwi they belong to and whether they have Maori DNA is intrusive and feels racist, as if a ‘blood quantum’ is being imposed. There should be a system where I can sign a simple form declaring myself to be Maori, and I can access a general pool of money provided by taxpayers for the purpose of ‘delivering for Maori’. If this does not currently exist then it should be established.
    
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    August 7, 2024 10:40am
    - PurplePen
      
      Interesting. I did this in relation to health care. And the reactions from the providers is noticeable. As soon as they see whatever checkbox in their system says I’m Maori, their behaviour changes. They actually show deference, I’d say exhibit some kind of white guilt and the level of concern sky-rockets. I find it amusing and sad all at once.
      
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      August 7, 2024 6:47pm
- Simon
  
  Maori in prison 1930s backward had lower rates per capita than the wider population. Wider population European & church going.
  
  Higher proportional Maori in prison now has nothing to do with “institutional racism” or the effects of colonization. Or any left wing DEI talking points.
  
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  August 7, 2024 8:49am
  - fernglas
    
    In the 1930’s the percentage of Irish Catholics in New Zealand was roughly the same as the percentage of Maori in New Zealand today. The percentage of the prison population that was Irish Catholic was roughly the same as the percentage that is Maori today. It’s all about class and poverty, not race.
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:19am
    - Paulus
      
      Soon the Indian population in New Zealand will equal that of the so called Maori – the figures for which are spurious at least anyway.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:05am
    - Mike
      
      True. Of course, as in many other countries, ethnicity serves as a quire reliable proxy for socioeconomic status.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:14am
- Damocles11
  
  Come on man, take the temperature down & show respect. John Luxon has spoken.
  
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  August 7, 2024 8:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Who?
    
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    August 7, 2024 11:37am
    - Damocles11
      
      He’s that corporate guy who views Te Tiriti o Waitangi as a ‘partnership’, the one who is really woke and really wealthy. He got parachuted into a safe National seat and became leader after a short stint in Parliament. He’s selling us out to the Maori elite. I’m sure you know him.
      
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      August 7, 2024 1:37pm
      - Conservatarian
        
        Do you think that Key would use to his own funds to purchase an 80% partnership interest in a partner, with the sole other partner having a 20% partnership interest, but would allow the other partner to have 50% of the profits and 50% of the partnership decision making rights, just to “turn down the temperature” of contract law?
        
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        August 7, 2024 2:16pm
    - gravedodger
      
      Christopher Keys da man?
      
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      August 7, 2024 4:11pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Um the combination of two activists.
      John Luxon!
      
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      August 7, 2024 4:13pm
- pdm
  
  Good thinking Matt and I think Rawiri Waititi and his motley crew will agree wholeheartedly with you.
  
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  August 7, 2024 8:52am
  - Yvette
    
    Maybe not. Matt’s ‘Missing’ Key (can’t be missing if Matt has found it) would only just more than double those of European ancestry in jail.
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:18am
    - Damocles11
      
      Please don’t mention Key, he is persona non grata as far as I am concerned.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:42am
- PurplePen
  
  Yes. The race focus totally distracts every agency from actually trying to identify the root cause other than race or ethnicity.
  
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  August 7, 2024 6:50pm
Matt Long

There’s some interesting anti trust cases against Google and what appears to be manipulation of their search algorithm for economic and social engineering.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1820849358402670800
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August 7, 2024 8:13am
Matt Long

A very good post by Konstantin Kishan on why the UK riots have occurred and why conflict will escalate in the future.
Interesting comments down thread, that 50% of UK Muslims support Hamas, and more UK Muslims joined Isis and other terror groups than have joined the British army.
https://x.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1820857242402336793
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August 7, 2024 8:19am
- Conservatarian
  
  Two-tier Keir has thrown in his lot with the Muslims, and not with the English.
  
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  August 7, 2024 8:24am
  - Mike
    
    What about English Muslims?
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:21am
    - Skippytony
      
      English muslims overwhelmingly vote labor.
      
      Get control of local council. You go to the council to reapply for the permit to run your pub in say Birmingham (which has been there 200 years) sorry, not issuing permits any more.
      
      Pub closed.
      
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      August 7, 2024 9:40am
    - Cassandra
      
      Very few. British Muslims do not regard themselves as English.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:03am
      - Mike
        
        Yes, Conservatarian was obviously a bit confused.
        
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        August 7, 2024 10:19am
      - kowtow
        
        Palestine flags feature heavily at their counter demos.
        
        Not very “British” at all. Old Chap.
        
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        August 7, 2024 10:51am
      - Mike
        
        Surely the mess they made of the mandate made Palestine at least a little bit British.
        
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        August 7, 2024 12:58pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      You must be talking about Sadiq Khan, who suggests that Londoners should just get used to terrorism.
      
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      August 7, 2024 3:16pm
  - Grunter
    
    It’s all similar to what is happening in NZ except replace Islamic radicals with Maori radicals
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:36am
    - Paulus
      
      Here it appears that we are getting towards another form of Anarchy, as the radical Maori get going, against the elected Government, of which they are not in control, but want to be, and believe they have the right to govern us all to their advantage.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:09am
Conservatarian

Tim Walz it is. He said recently “one person’s socialism is another person’s neighborliness.” He’s “Bernie Sanders with an accent from Fargo” per Ben Shapiro.

A radical left wing pair on the (D) ticket. A potential POTUS president who is a San Francisco socialist, and a potential VP who is another socialist, but from Minnesota, the California of the Midwest. The only state Reagan didn’t win in his 1984 landslide.

I’m excited, but not for the (D) ticket. The regime media is going to have to work very hard to mask this (D) radicalism. Will they ask her any questions? They sure haven’t to date.
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August 7, 2024 8:22am
- RoboRob
  
  As I mention below, TVNZ reported Walz as a un controversial centrist.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:18am
- Mike
  
  Ooh, ‘radicalism’. Sounds scary.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:23am
  - Grunter
    
    It is Mike. Socialism and communism has killed millions over the past 120 years. You know that. But it doesn’t stop your radical thinking
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:42am
    - Drone
      
      Killed millions Grunter yes, but a large proportion of those deaths were caused by the right wing opposing socialism and communism.
      
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      August 8, 2024 6:56am
  - cmm
    
    It’s all a game until the famine sets in.
    
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    August 7, 2024 10:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The famine is setting in. Not that there is really a shortage of food, but the cost of it!
      The vege farmer still has to pay minimum wages and also pay the cost of diesel for freight and farm machinery.
      
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      August 7, 2024 4:42pm
rouppe

A councillors car was shot at because he doesn’t agree with Maori wards.

Te Purutanga Mauri Pūmanawa Māori Ward councillor Te Waka McLeod said shooting at Chong’s car was not on.

Well that’s something at least.

But then to combat the opposition to Maori wards they say:

“I hope that with the 18 months we’ve got to work on this we can as a community and those that support the Māori ward we can educate those that are either sitting on the fence or are a ‘no’ and kind of give them hope.”

There’s that word again. “Educate”

Don’t try and educate people, Te Waka McLeod, demonstrate to people how your presence improves the lives of ALL the residents that council represents. Show how you prioritize the wellbeing of everybody, not just “your people”.
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August 7, 2024 8:23am
- kowtow
  
  I will blow my bugle and let my gun do the talking.
  
  Senior Labour Party MP and ex minister .
  
  There needs to be an awful lot of temperature reduction in our political discourse and te media paahti needs to call out all sides .Fairly and fearlessly.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Police said they had received a report of wilful damage and were making enquiries.”
  Herald can’t even spell ffs.
  Now the Police are making enquiries. Really?
  Robin Martin will be following this up right? Right? Or was it just news nothing repeated?
  
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  August 7, 2024 4:54pm
Maggie Pie

Wasn’t the Wellington Mayor proposing something similar for the Capital?

‘In addition to incorporating the Islamic Star into the state flag, Kamala Harris running mate Tim Walz also supported Minneapolis becoming the first U.S. city…… to broadcast the Islamic-Call to prayer 5 times a day’

https://x.com/baltic_dan/status/1820827440110776582
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August 7, 2024 8:24am
- peterwn
  
  Call to prayer from a Minaret is so old fashioned and the adherent may be out of earshot from a mosque. Nowadays the devout can install an app on their phones to receive the call.
  
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  August 7, 2024 8:33am
  - Paulus
    
    No that is not the purpose of the Mosque call every and often during the day.
    It is to tell the others that they are in charge, and you cannot shut your ears, that a phone call to you can do.
    
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    August 7, 2024 10:12am
- cmm
  
  OK, I’ll bite.
  
  The Muslim call to prayer is not a problem per se. The problem is in the actual quality of the people flooding in to USA.
  
  I lived in Cape Town for 8 years of my life.We heard the call to prayer speakers booming across the Cape Flats. No problems with that. In Cape Town the Muslims and Christians have lived side by side for well over a century without slitting each other’s throats.
  
  But where the problem comes in is the recent immigrants (zero or first generation) who feel entitled to not fit in but rather take over. The resentment when they fail to assimilate boils over into crime etc.
  
  That is far more of a problem than a few prayers over speakers.
  
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  August 7, 2024 8:40am
  - Yvette
    
    The Muslim call to prayer is not a problem per se
    Ask Brian
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:23am
    - cmm
      
      I must say I was far more bothered by the sound of a limpet mine going off at 5am less than 300 metres down the road from our flat.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:04am
    - Groggy
      
      Brian is indeed a problem.
      
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      August 7, 2024 4:27pm
- Matt Long
  
  Here’s a Walz voter in his full glory.
  https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1820851299342033126
  
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  August 7, 2024 8:44am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Tory for Ambassador to the US! (Anything, literally anything, to get her out of Wellington)
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:40am
- kowtow
  
  It’s not just a call to prayer .
  
  It is a reminder , 5 times daily that the other major Abrahamic religions are on the wrong road .
  
  As such it’s very ‘ uninclusive’.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:44am
emmess

Tim Walz
Terrible VP candidate pick fir Harris
Clips going round, where he says ‘socialism is just neighbourlyness’
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August 7, 2024 8:27am
- Mike
  
  His selection will be roundly criticized by people who are already committed to voting for ‘weird’ JD Vance.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:26am
  - emmess
    
    I am glad you have received your talking points from the Democratic Party.
    I was a bit worried for a moment, there.
    
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    August 7, 2024 5:15pm
Matt Long

Tracy Martin provides an excellent argument for deleting Section 7AA
“A former Children’s Minister has spoken out against the government’s plans to repeal Section 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act.”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/524239/former-children-s-minister-tracey-martin-tells-government-to-stop-7aa-repeal
The same Tracy Martin who expressed relief the NZ First hadn’t gotten into Parliament in 2020 because NZF has moved too far away from Labour.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/03/12/former-nz-first-mp-tracey-martin-reveals-election-defeat-relief/
Is she still chair of the NZQA and on the board of NZTA, and if so, why?
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August 7, 2024 8:30am
- Damocles11
  
  Tracy Martin is no longer on the board of NZQA. Kevin Jenkins is now the chair of the NZQA board. His term commenced on 26 July 2024.
  Tracy Martin is no longer on the board of NZTA.
  
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  August 7, 2024 8:49am
  - Matt Long
    
    I’m very pleased to hear that.
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:13am
  - peterwn
    
    Seemed it was Tracy Martin who supported Chris Hipkins in his destruction of Charter Schools in 2018. I thought at the time that Winston would have flexed his muscles on Charter Schools and saved them (like he did with 3 strikes).
    
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    August 7, 2024 2:37pm
- Mike
  
  I don’t think the country needs to hear from any in the procession of Peters’s lackeys who have been unceremoniously dumped after their five minutes in cabinet.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:30am
- Cantabrian
  
  The elephant in the room is never addressed in these arguments. OT is criticised when kids in care are ‘abused’ but the parents and family never are. This sums up the Maori position:
  
  Making a submission of his own, Ngāpuhi chair Mane Tahere challenged MPs that were part of the government whether they could guarantee the repeal would keep children safer.
  
  “You tell me, how do you know our babies won’t continue to be abused in state care? How do you know what’s best for Ngāpuhi whānau, marae, hapū, and iwi? How do you know that Oranga Tamariki will keep their word, and care properly for our mokopuna when they have never ever done so?” he said.
  
  BUT why are the loved mokopuna in OT care in the first place? If whanu, hapu, iwi etc are so great at ‘caring properly’ for them then there shouldn’t be any need for State intervention.
  
  I fail to understand the duplicity of the argument and the cry that it is all the State’s fault when the ‘State’ is not the originator of the situation.
  
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  August 7, 2024 11:29am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, the irony is strong in this one.
    
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    August 7, 2024 12:07pm
  - Taieri
    
    You tell me, how do you know our babies won’t continue to be abused in state care?
    ————-
    
    To which the answer should be: why are the said “our” babies in the state care to start with, and what have YOU, as the Ngapuhi chair, done to prevent it?
    
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    August 7, 2024 12:22pm
- Ehlana
  
  And then there was this, from Starship Children’s Hospital:
  “Since 7AA we have been able to implement a holistic approach for how we can care for mokopuna. Before 7AA, that wasn’t a thing within Starship.
  What it does is makes our ability to care for children that come through our doors a lot more difficult, when that’s not an obligation.”
  
  Apparently, it is only since a clause was added to an Act for another entity that Starship Hospital has discovered that children with good family and community connection and support have better health outcomes than those without.
  And if this section is repealed, the hospital will no longer know this or be able to implement it in their practice.
  
  Huh?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/starship-hospital-leaders-say-treaty-repeal-law-will-make-their-job-more-difficult/THMDZLQSEREO5GVIKTKOZ7CC2Q/
  
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  August 7, 2024 1:38pm
kowtow

UK riots.

The Met Commissioner coming out of a “Cobra” meeting was asked by a reporter “what about 2 tier policing” , he then knocked the microphone to the ground . Uh er , had a member of the public done that they could well be on charges .

There’s footage of a Sky ( I think) reporter covering what was meant to be a counter demo . She had to flee the scene while intimidated by a number of men .One was even filmed trying to stab the media vans tyre with a knife .

One would think their media colleagues would play up both these very anti media incidents in solidarity and all that ………but not much at all .

Two Tier Keir and the rest of the media party pushing the harsh law and order narrative against the current crop of rioters , while the thugs who beat up the Manchester airport cops are free to give news conferences .
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August 7, 2024 8:37am
- kevn
  
  kowtow… He actually grabbed the microphone, moved without breaking his step then dropped it.
  Link with vid attached.
  https://dailysceptic.org/2024/08/05/met-police-boss-sir-mark-rowley-grabs-microphone-and-throws-it-on-ground-when-grilled-about-two-tier-policing/
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:35am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Pretty sure that is a crime, and under English law it is also a hate crime.
    
    Crown Prosecution Service say a hate crime is:
    
    “Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person’s disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity.”
    
    There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike.”
    
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    August 7, 2024 11:22am
- Beach Haven expat
  
  There was a lot of coverage of the Rowley incident by Sky’s rivals but the Birmingham intimidation and tyre slashing not so much. Sky even didn’t cover themselves being attacked/targeted the following morning in their wrap up of the previous night’s incidents – all they showed was Plymouth and Belfast (nasty white ray-sist rioters) rather than Birmingham (brave community defenders who inadvertently had picked up knives, machetes and swords).
  TalkTV and GB News focussed heavily on Birmingham but then that is the difference in target audiences.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:41pm
Matt Long

Yesterday I posted “mostly peaceful” armed immigrant rioters as a joke.
Here the MSM jokes actually still use those words;
https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1820717916700000420
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August 7, 2024 8:41am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Same could be said of the “peaceful” January 6th protesters I suppose……
  
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  August 7, 2024 8:58am
  - kowtow
    
    Wasn’t a person shot and killed by the Feds there.
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:09am
  - Matt Long
    
    The MSM has informed me it was an armed insurrection on Jan 6th.
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:16am
    - Mike
      
      Everyone knows they were just visiting the capitol to peacefully protest and the gallows and cable ties were simple street theater.
      
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      August 7, 2024 9:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Come on Mike, twist it some more. You can make much more than cable ties being used. Who used those cable ties? Come on Mike, tell us.
        
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        August 7, 2024 5:25pm
  - kowtow
    
    It was the Feds using the arms that day .
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:45am
- Fender
  
  from post above
  inbreeding is the issue
  https://x.com/i/status/1820720203463835729
  
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  August 7, 2024 4:02pm
RoboRob

The DEM VP has been announced.

On august 1, I said‘Shapiro is a good selection but him being Jewish might be an issue.’

and in a later post that day

‘In the identify politics game K actually needs to select a white male as VP. She has Black, Indian, ‘young’ & woman sewn up. She needs to tick the old, male, white, gay & disabled boxes. It will be interesting to see how many of these can be checked.

White male is guaranteed.’

For all the down tickers I would like you to reflect on the accuracy of my posts. K has picked a white man that actually looks older then he is. I am not sure if he has Gay family members, as I like most know little of the man. I can say he has / had a hearing impairment he got while in the military.

I would say he almost 100% covers the bases that Kamila didn’t. From that perspective a good pick.
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August 7, 2024 8:41am
- Mike
  
  So he’s a DEI pick?
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:39am
  - RoboRob
    
    Could be. But also just a sound political pick. Trump wasn’t well regarded by the religous right so he picked Pence to get that vote. K could be seen to be doing the same thing with Walz.
    
    What I am saying is all the down tickers, which you are one of, should think about what is being said rather then just downvoting everything that some people say. I certainly dont downvote everything you post.
    
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    August 7, 2024 11:09am
Maggie Pie

Smith & Caughey, the country’s most iconic Department Store, has been in business
for more than 140 years!

It only took the Ardern Labour government, and the Goff led council, 5 years to destroy it.

One of my tennis besties worked on the ‘Cosmetic Counter’ since leaving school.
She’s devastated.
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August 7, 2024 8:46am
- Damocles11
  
  ‘The future of Auckland department store Smith & Caughey’s has been decided, with the store to remain open in a reduced capacity.
  The company behind the 144-year-old store has decided to implement a new reduced format beyond January 2025, allowing them to remain open.’
  
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  August 7, 2024 8:50am
- RoboRob
  
  Those iconic higher end department stores have been closing for decades. Christchurch lost ‘Arthur Barnetts’ at least 20 years ago and Dunedin and Wellington lost theirs in the last 10 years. As far as I am aware Smith and Caugheys and Ballantynes are the remaining ‘iconic’ stores.
  
  Yes labours ineptitude certainly helped push them out of business but the writing has been on the wall for some time.
  
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  August 7, 2024 8:55am
- sirknz
  
  The peeps working the cosmetic counters have their wages subsidised by the cosmetic company they are representing, not to mention a whole lot of free product. It could be as much as 60%, plus sales incentives, and overseas trips for the best ones. I imagine that they will be keeping the best sellers so if she is working for one of the top 3 or 4 cosmetics companies, she’ll probably be fine.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:14am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, she has been offered the opportunity to stay on.
    Doesn’t need a job. Never has. It’s just all her friends she feels terrible for…
    been there 25 years.
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:32am
- cmm
  
  “It only took the Ardern Labour government, and the Goff led council, 5 years to destroy it.”
  
  I’m sure that internet shopping and being located in the shithole end of Queen St hardly help either.
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:07am
  - 1920x1080p
    
    There isn’t a ‘shithole’ end of Queen St? Where is that?
    
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    August 7, 2024 12:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Also Fanshawe St. I hate the City and I don’t think I have ever come from the Shore to find Fanshawe St without half the road dug up.
      Then the fucking road cones!
      Excuse me while I blackout for 30 seconds.
      
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      August 7, 2024 5:52pm
- fernglas
  
  Smith and Caughey has been propped up by family money for at least the last 30 years. It’s a dinosaur, albeit a friendly one, and has finally decided to move with the times.
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Smith & Caughey’s need to sell some different.
  Nov 5th products – diversify.
  Well we have the blow up man and US Election, so fireworks!
  A “Boom Box” care of Smith & Caughey’s, credit card only – over there please so the cameras won’t se me serving you.
  
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  August 7, 2024 5:48pm
RoboRob

A comment on the quality of the TVNZ reporting.

This morning I watched two American political podcasts, both with left and right presenters. In both cases the left presenters were over the moon with the Tim Walz VP selection. They were surprised and happy that a very left leaning progressive Dem had been selected. They went on to cover his policies and they indeed were very ‘progressive’.
I turn on ones breakfast show and they cut to their US reporter. He proceeds to tell us that the Dems have selected a very un controversial centrist politician.

I mentioned the disconnect between the sources to my wife, who replies that the Dailymail reported him as very left leaning too.

Why are TVNZ misleading NZ viewers? Are they just uninformed, if so could there journalist not have done the same research I did? Or are they trying to pump for the Dems. Initially I couldn’t see why they would but I guess there are American voters in NZ and TVNZ certainly don’t like Trump or the right wing of politics.
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August 7, 2024 8:52am
- Gravelroad
  
  No TV political reporter wants to be seen as a conservative.
  According to Kamala Harris and her media entourage – conservative opinions and behaving in a balanced conservative fashion is just plain weird.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:34am
- Mike
  
  He would count as centrist in NZ and most other OECD countries, which makes him radical socialist in the fevered American political lexicon.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:43am
  - kevn
    
    Yeah right, wrong… hat tip Tom.
    https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/08/07/why-i-am-not-a-politician/
    
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    August 7, 2024 10:38am
  - RoboRob
    
    Nope, he would not. He is certainly to the left of most of the Labour party here. He would fit well in the Greens. Hardly centrist.
    
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    August 7, 2024 11:11am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      Could you, or anybody else in this thread, give some examples of his policies so that we can reach our own judgement?
      
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      August 7, 2024 11:49am
      - RoboRob
        
        From Left leaning politico
        
        https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/06/tim-walz-policy-record-guide-00172844
        
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        August 7, 2024 1:08pm
      - Conservatarian
        
        Of the many examples, my favourite “progressive” policy of his was bending the knee to the cabal of violent, revolutionary communists from BLM and Antifa who invaded his state and annexed the locked-down Minneapolis, his state’s largest city, in May and June 2020. Said communists were there to protest the so-called racist killing of drug addict, wife beater and career criminal St George Floyd, who overdosed on a cocktail of drugs while lying near a policeman’s knee [Floyd had severe pre-existing heart issues and had overdosed in the same area only months ago. The race angle was never mentioned in the show trial that convicted Derek Chauvin and other officers of murder].
        
        Walz was unwilling to quell the communist insurrection and in fact was perfectly happy for massive nationwide chain stores and locally owned businesses alike to be looted, ransacked and burnt down.
        
        Of course, he endorsed police reform (aka defund the police) and the crime and murder rate spiked. Yet another win for people who vote progressive / socialist to feel good about themselves.
        
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        August 7, 2024 2:49pm
surfing

These guys suck…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/olympics/olympics-2024-canoe-racing-new-zealand-defend-decision-to-send-rookie-c2-500m-to-paris-after-farcical-race/246OSTE76VDT5H5SXR6OUA3U7Y/

Some Kiwis who qualified for the olympics through their world body missed out due to our stupid NZ olympic committee.

Then, you get these turkeys able to game the system and the NZOC is just fine with it.

Australia have got it right, their Olympic committee makes ours look like a joke.
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August 7, 2024 8:54am
- rouppe
  
  That was basically so they could enter a 4_man team
  
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  August 7, 2024 11:54am
Rusty

Maggie. I used to deliver a newspaper to Sir Harcourt Caughey’s home when I was a kid.

Nice bloke to talk to. Fit guy even in his late 60s. He played for the All Blacks.
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August 7, 2024 8:59am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I had a Great Aunt that resided in the ‘Caughey Preston Rest Home’
  
  What a DUMP!
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:26am
Yvette

• Hamas announced on Tuesday that Yahya Sinwar, one of the masterminds behind the deadly October 7 attack, was selected as the next head of the group’s political office, consolidating his power over the militant group as it continues to fight Israel.
Long viewed by Israeli officials as a sophisticated strategist with a keen understanding of Israeli society, Mr. Sinwar has been Hamas’s leader in Gaza since 2017. But he will now also replace Ismail Haniyeh, the group’s top political leader, who was a key liaison in the indirect cease-fire talks with Israel.

… Mr. Haniyeh was killed in an explosion last week in Tehran as he was attending the inauguration of Iran’s new president. Hamas and Iran both blamed Israel for his assassination, although Israel has not publicly taken responsibility.

… Born in Khan Younis, Mr. Sinwar joined Hamas in the 1980s. He was later imprisoned on charges of murdering Palestinians accused of apostasy or of collaborating with Israel. He spent over two decades in prison in Israel and was ultimately freed in 2011, along with more than 1,000 other Palestinian prisoners, in exchange for a single Israeli soldier held by Hamas.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/08/06/world/israel-iran-hezbollah-gaza?campaign_id (subscription)

What did Yahya Sinwar think about for more than 20 years in jail?

• Ismail Haniyeh, a top leader of Hamas, was assassinated on Wednesday by an explosive device covertly smuggled into the Tehran guesthouse [hidden approximately two months in advance], according to five of the Middle Eastern officials. where he was staying, according to seven Middle Eastern officials, including two Iranians, and an American official.

The explosion shook the building, shattered some windows and caused the partial collapse of an exterior wall, according to the two Iranian officials, members of the Revolutionary Guards briefed on the incident. Such damage was also evident in a photograph of the building shared with The New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/middleeast/how-hamas-leader-haniyeh-killed-iran-bomb.html (still subscription)

Will any Hamas leader now book the same hotel rooms more than once ever again?
Or was it an inside execution?
Or will we ever know?

So, should one wear a keffiyeh in the New Zealand Parliament supporting the mayhem from the river to the sea, or worn to one’s sentencing in the courts, or is it as innocent as the bold black edges stripes standing for the historical trade routes that used to go through ‘Palestine’, the fishnet design of Palestinians’ ties to the Mediterranean Sea and the curvy lines resembling olive trees?
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August 7, 2024 8:59am
- Paulus
  
  I think Mr Sinwar had better be very careful where he goes.
  Or was he behind wanting to take over Hamas ?
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:19am
Maggie Pie

This should end well 🙁

Sir Keir wants to ‘scatter’ asylum seekers around Britain, putting them in private homes, student accomodation, and empty residential houses…..

https://mol.im/a/13713487
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August 7, 2024 9:07am
- mogg
  
  Sir Kier has a talent for getting things wrong.
  Latest yougov polling showing 33% of Brits support the protests. He has very quickly dropped all references of ‘protesters being far right thugs’.
  
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  August 7, 2024 11:05am
- Beach Haven expat
  
  His Home Secretary Yvette Pixie Balls-Cooper famously promised to put up a Syrian refugee or two in her home when this all really kicked off with Merkel opening up Germany’s doors.
  She did not do so.
  
  Additionally, you might moan about NZ breakfast TV but her husband and failed MP, Ed Balls, now hosts Good Morning Britain. On Monday we had the staggering sight of Ed interviewing his missus about the riots. It was not a robust or challenging interview. Also on that morning’s show boxing promoter Kellie Maloney (more famously known as Frank Maloney before he became a she) was on to give impartial expert views on the Olympics’ female boxing scandal.
  You literally couldn’t make it up.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:49pm
surfing

Maori are resorting to the use of firearms to achieve their political goals…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/maori-ward-debate-new-plymouth-councillor-murray-chongs-car-hit-by-gunshot/DW3XLBLHGNF23ETMXYBQJCYTDI/

This is on top of what seems to be a torrent of abuse from maori.
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August 7, 2024 9:09am
- sirknz
  
  Yeah, watch out for those dangerous far right extremists with their guns and their wanting everyone to be given the same rights and responsibilities…
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:18am
- Ian Boag
  
  the use of firearms
  
  I suppose a slug gun is a firearm … not that I would want one pointed at me ….
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:23am
  - Colville
    
    Well the cop who got shot with one didnt live to give his opinion…
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/34971/air-gun-used-in-another-killing
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:33am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    People in NZ have been killed with slug guns. A undercover policeman is one example.
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:37am
  - Damocles11
    
    An air rifle killed a policeman in Auckland.
    
    ‘Mr Moore told the court the weapon used to shoot Mr Wilkinson and Officer M was a “destructive” airgun called the FX Monsoon.
    It was the same calibre as a .22 rifle, was semi-automatic and was “deadly accurate and extremely powerful” even at 25 metres.’
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/death-in-the-shadows-jury-told-how-policeman-was-shot/QWCPA5CRB4PIO2J2LCZUTB4UTU/
    
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    August 7, 2024 9:40am
    - Mike
      
      Professor Moriaty’s henchman, Colonel Moran, used a specially made air rifle when he attempted to assassinate Sherlock Holmes.
      
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      August 7, 2024 9:57am
  - cmm
    
    A slug gun is considered a fire arm and is controlled by firearm legislation.
    
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    August 7, 2024 10:09am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    Or you could focus on the threats aimed at his family instead of playing down this incident as it’s only a slug gun.
    
    Imagine if the Maori ward selected councilor received the same threats? It would be a national outrage.
    
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    August 7, 2024 10:12am
    - MCōs
      
      An awful lot of politicians receive death threats that you never hear about
      Not just politicians.
      Someone in our whanau who was a second tier radio presenter was the subject of a stream of abusive/nasty communications. Particularly on Mondays for some reason.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:59am
      - Terry Dalee
        
        And please tell us how many politicians in NZ have actually been shot at….
        
        Nasty words vs a subsonic bullet…..
        
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        August 7, 2024 9:38pm
      - Ghost
        
        This councillor wasn’t shot at, he came out to find someone had shot at his car. And yes this has happened with other politicians, their electorate offices get attacked. Ardern had her electorate office attack by a sword. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/woman-arrested-after-sword-attack-on-prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-electorate-office/
        
        We also have
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shots-fired-through-harawiras-electorate-office/67O3WJSLP7BXY3E6H2YX55JJ3I/
        
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        August 7, 2024 10:10pm
  - surfing
    
    All good then!
    
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    August 7, 2024 11:23am
  - GJM
    
    The arms act says so. Low powered ones can be bought by anyone over 18. The more powerful ones are the same as powder firearms and need a license.
    Misuse of an air rifle will see you facing criminal charges, no matter the power.
    
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    August 8, 2024 7:27am
- Ghost
  
  Greens and labour support the maori wards. Could be anyone that did this
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:36am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  “Maoris” (plural)? Has there been more than one incident? And how do we know the trigger wasn’t pulled by some ardent white “progressive”, rather than a Maori?
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:48am
- Terry Dalee
  
  What everyone seems to forget is that this councillor has successfully been neutralised by force. He has abstained from voting.
  
  Democracy has been subverted by violence.
  
  But carry on, you continue arguing over the significance of whether it’s a slug gun or a gun… you all like the rest of the country seem to be missing the larger point.
  
  NZ Really is screwed beyond help…
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:42pm
Steve Todd

Yay! I got what I wanted – Tim Walz!! (See https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/08/general_debate_04_august_2024.html/comment-page-1#comment-3599389.)

Cenk Uygur at The Young Turks is over the moon — the Dems actually made a progressive choice; he can barely believe it.

Check out why he thinks Walz is a great choice, and why he thinks Kamala can now pull this thing off, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7l5BnppVhE. (22 minutes.)

Many of you won’t like it — and he is understandably over-excited — but it’s worth your while taking in what he says, if only so you have some idea of what “the other side” are thinking.
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August 7, 2024 9:21am
- Steve Todd
  
  The Philadelphia rally is live, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTAs9PS66aA.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:38am
  - Don Beckett
    
    You’re really on a winner now, Steve //
    
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    August 7, 2024 3:53pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      I’m glad you think so, Don.
      
      On the other hand, as I said to you on Saturday, here, https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/08/general_debate_03_august_2024.html/comment-page-1#comment-3599101, I have no more idea as to who is going to win on 5 November than you do.
      
      Regardless, you can’t deny can you, Don, that your boy now has a fight on his hands.
      
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      August 7, 2024 4:14pm
  - Conservatarian
    
    The key demographic for the (D) vote in Philly resides in its cemeteries. Pretty difficult to hold a rally to excite those denizens.
    
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    August 7, 2024 4:32pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Sources familiar with the matter are saying the last time [Mod – use her name] and Tim teamed up, he let rioters burn Minneapolis to the ground… and she fund-raised to bail them out 🙁
  
  Is that REALLY what you Steve?
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:46am
- Libertarians are right
  
  They make a good team:
  He let protesters burn down his state while she helped those few that actually got arrested make bail.
  
  Seriously though, he is extremely problematic because they’re both very far left (for the US) which means that, on actual policy, they’ll lose the swing voters.
  
  This means they cannot run their campaign on policy because if they do, they’ll get absolutely destroyed. They are hoping to trick the voters into letting them in so they can push their extreme left (for the US) agenda.
  
  So, they will rely on gaslighting from the media. Trump’s team has been very policy focused but the media have pretended it’s all about “Kamala isn’t Black” because they know they’ll lose on policy.
  
  They’re pushing “they’re weird” because they know they’ll lose on policy.
  
  The Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) don’t care about democracy, they actively hate it. Democracy dies in darkness as the WoPost likes to say and here they are actively trying to hide the policy arguments (which is the Republican campaign) and make it all about a carefully controlled narrative on Trump’s weaknesses while ignoring Harris’ many, many problems.
  
  Also, Uygur is an absolute antisemite so of course he’s happy they chose a guy with a German name over the Jew. Again, that’s problematic – they’ve bent over to the Hamas loving section of the party which most Americans will have an issue with.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:53am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Cenk Uygur is not antisemitic, or anti-Israel. He is anti-Netanyahu. He wants the slaughter and the occupation to end.
    
    Watch this whole video (34 minutes), from Sunday, where he discusses his expectation that Josh Shapiro will be the VP pick, but especially from about 7 minutes, onwards. here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3whGwZbMfI (and see at 8:55 he states he does not hate Israel).
    
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    August 7, 2024 11:40am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      If you have to state you don’t hate Israel….
      
      “He wants the slaughter and the occupation to end.”
      But if you stop the “occupation” – that would be the West Bank, not Gaza which isn’t “occupied”, then the slaughter would increase as it’s been Palestinian terrorists (Hamas, Fatah etc) who have instigated every “slaughter”.
      
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      August 7, 2024 12:02pm
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Piers Morgan interview with Douglas Murray at the front in Israel calmly explaining what he experienced. Compare his arguments to Cenk Uygur. By comparison “Young Turk” Cenk comes across as a volatile unformed lightweight who damages his own cause.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beOiJcG0UMk
      
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      August 7, 2024 5:06pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        I’ve just watched all of that.
        
        I don’t know what your purpose was in posting it. If your purpose was to show that Cenk Uygur is antisemitic and anti-Israel, then you failed. It confirmed that he is neither of those things, but that he is anti-Netanyahu, just as I stated in response to Libertarians are right.
        
        Did you watch the video I put up, in response to him (at 11:40AM) — which he clearly didn’t — in which Uygur stated his position?
        
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        August 7, 2024 9:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tampon Tim. You can hear the rally from space!
  
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  August 7, 2024 12:43pm
  - Mike
    
    I was expecting Trump to try out some new demeaning nicknames for his new opponents, but he seems to be fixated on insulting republicans atm.
    
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    August 7, 2024 1:06pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      I’m still enjoying his trip to the “black journalists association” soiree, where (as usual) he bit back in response to being insulted and (as usual) he did not pander or talk down to his audience and (and usual) was willing to face a hostile crowd (Harris scores a zero in all of these regards).
      
      That was the bravest thing he’s done since being shot in the ear and then, 75 seconds later, standing up to reassure his fans , fist pumping and calling “Fight fight fight!”
      
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      August 7, 2024 4:40pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You missed the nicknames Mike?
      You must try harder sonny boy.
      
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      August 7, 2024 6:04pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Oh, dear. Donald Trump is losing it. Here he is on Truth Social at 7:59AM today, NZ time (16 hours ahead of Eastern)—
  
  “What are the chances that Crooked Joe Biden, the WORST President in the history of the U.S., whose Presidency was Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him by Kamabla, Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Shifty Adam Schiff, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, and others on the Lunatic Left, CRASHES the Democrat National Convention and tries to take back the Nomination, beginning with challenging me to another DEBATE. He feels that he made a historically tragic mistake by handing over the U.S. Presidency, a COUP, to the people in the World he most hates, and he wants it back, NOW!!!”
  
  Weirdo? Check. Unravelling? Check.
  
  I mean “Kamabla”? Really?
  
  That’s your guy, Kiwibloggers.
  
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  August 7, 2024 5:45pm
Yvette

The UK riots – from building Hadrians Wall, to seeing off Adolf, the British have not been keen on being colonised.
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August 7, 2024 9:28am
- fernglas
  
  The Romans built Hadrian’s wall, not the Brits, The Romans were colonisers. As were the Danes and the Normans.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:48am
- Mike
  
  You might want to check out who built Hadrian’s wall, and read up on all the other successful invasions of Britain since the Romans.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:48am
  - MCōs
    
    None of whom were Germans as generations of English football fans remind them at any opportunity
    
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    August 7, 2024 10:03am
    - Mike
      
      The Hanoverian takeover in the 18th century wasn’t entirely unopposed.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:23am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Also, the Saxons were German – as were the Angles.
        
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        August 7, 2024 11:32am
    - Damocles11
      
      Angles and Saxons were Germanic. ‘They traced their origins to Germanic settlers who became one of the most important cultural groups in Britain by the 5th century. The Anglo-Saxon period in Britain is considered to have started by about 450 and ended in 1066, with the Norman Conquest.’
      
      See also: the British royal family.
      ‘In 1917, the First World War caused the British king George V to officially change the name from “Saxe-Coburg and Gotha” to “Windsor” in the United Kingdom.’
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:51am
      - Mike
        
        He also had to sack a bunch of his Kraut cousins from their British peerages. Some tried to assimilate by changing their names, as with the Battenbergs becoming Mountbattens.
        
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        August 7, 2024 1:10pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Shhhhhhhhhhh…
      
      don’t mention the cuzzies…
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/03/29/british-royal-family-german-king-charles/#:~:text=Queen%20Victoria%20was%20famously%20known,who%20barely%20spoke%20any%20English.
      
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      August 7, 2024 11:33am
- Dairy Flat
  
  It was the colonisers (Romans) who built Hadrians Wall and the Antonine Wall. They were not happy with us uppity Scots marauding their garrisons. The current crop of colonisers don’t so much build walls but ensure enclaves within some cities are not to be entered safely by the natives.
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:09am
  - cmm
    
    And thank Goodness the Romans did colonise.
    Otherwise those of us of British stock would still be painting ourselves with woad and living in the trees.
    
    We benefited hugely from being colonised, built the greatest empire ever and have passed that gift on to many others so they can enjoy the benefits too.
    
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    August 7, 2024 10:37am
    - Damocles11
      
      Benefits from colonisation? Sacrilege! You will be sent to a reeducation camp at Auckland University.
      
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      August 7, 2024 10:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Which ones? They have waiting rooms to program you.
        
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        August 7, 2024 6:06pm
    - kowtow
      
      The “British” were Celts , named after one of the tribes , the Britii or some such.
      The Roman invasion and colonisation was arguably not succesful as they had to do a Joe Biden style retreat ( albeit a cuppla four hundred years down the road) to defend their continental holdings .Did they have a lasting legacy ? Perhaps the Wall which was an erstwhile boundary between England and the Scots , but ever changing.
      
      Later “invasions” were the likes of the Angles , Saxons ,Jutes invited initially by the post Roman “Britons” ( Celts) as mercenaries to fight the now invasive Scots and Irish . The new comers liked what they saw and decided to stay . Created their own chiefdoms , then in turn fought the later invasions of Vikings/Danes .
      
      The “English” ( Anglo Saxon Jutes) were still fighting Norsemen ( Danes/Vikings) when another ‘northman’ descendant William decided he had a claim to England .1066 and all that . It was this character who essentially created the centralised English state ( though the Anglo Saxons were definitely working towrds ( Alfred the Great etc) that we recognise today ……..
      
      What have the Romans ever done for us.
      
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      August 7, 2024 11:11am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Actually, the Celts arrived in Britain around 5 -400 BC, The native Britons had been there for many generations, after crossing from Europe over the Dogger? land bridge, which disappeared with the end of the last Ice Age with rising sea levels.
        And of course William the Conqueror was a Norman – whose forebears were Vikings, who settles in Normandy with the blessing of the then French king.
        
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        August 7, 2024 11:45am
      - Mike
        
        I don’t think the French kings counted the Vikings as a ‘blessing’.
        
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        August 7, 2024 1:13pm
      - Damocles11
        
        I guess this entire conversation speaks to the fact that groups of humans are by their nature colonisers. If you are on an island and controlling significant resources then for thousands of years another group would come via sea going vessels and try to take it from you. If you happen to be of the same skin colour as the colonisers then total assimilation will eventually occur. This current fad for ‘coloniser guilt’ and carrying on as if the British were the first to ever ‘colonise’….it is an absurdity.
        
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        August 7, 2024 1:46pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        The Viking leader who led the assault on Paris at the time married the King’s daughter after coming to a peaceful alliance – so I think you are wrong,
        
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        August 7, 2024 3:02pm
      - Mike
        
        Yes, the Franks welcomed the seige of Paris, wanted to pay an enormous ransom, and happily gave their princess to the Vikings.
        
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        August 7, 2024 3:17pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      Yeah, not so much. The Philosophical roots of Englishness, in terms of the idea of individual rights and equality before the law, definitely come from our Saxon and Norse/Danish inheritance not the Romans.
      
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      August 7, 2024 8:43pm
vand

“One of my tennis besties worked on the ‘Cosmetic Counter’ since leaving school.
She’s devastated.”

All is vanity Maggie- hopefully she can find work as a beautician etc
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August 7, 2024 9:29am
- Mike
  
  She could always put her retail experience to good use on the shelf-filling shifts with her bestie Maggie at Fresh Choice Otahuhu.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:51am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yet another of the same testosterone-fuelled posts from Milkey.
    
    LOL!!!
    
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    August 7, 2024 10:12am
    - Drone
      
      But Maggie I’m sure even you would appreciate a testosterone-fuelled man occasionally..
      
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      August 7, 2024 11:31am
      - Don Beckett
        
        She already has one. 🙂
        
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        August 7, 2024 11:46am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Troo dat Drone.
        Only thing in milkey’s case, I reckon rather than spending the day here posting shite….. he’d be better off making an appointment with a [Mod – stop it, if I have to delete any more of your nastiness it will be a holiday]
        
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        August 7, 2024 11:49am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        TBH mod…I’d have thort milkey of all people could take a joke?
        
        [Mod – jokes are fine, your vile comments aren’t.]
        
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        August 7, 2024 12:22pm
      - Mike
        
        I have no problem with harmless jibes from the Otahuhu pretender.
        
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        August 7, 2024 1:14pm
- MCōs
  
  I was in that emporium a couple of weeks ago and asked directions at the cosmetics counter to the ladies dunnies on behalf of my wife.
  I said I was sorry to hear the writing was on the wall.
  She told me a rescue package was in the wind along the lines of what’s been announced
  After that I went to a world press photography exhibition a couple of floors up that looked like the result of earlier retrenchment. Maybe there was a tea rooms up there once where all the well to do Auckland ladies could gather for lunch.
  So now they’re shortly going to be down to one floor.
  Must have figured out it’s less of a loss while times are tough than paying out some pretty big redundancies
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:36am
  - peterwn
    
    The 6th floor of the company’s building (corner of Elliott and Wellesley Streets completed 1929) was leased to the Lyceum Club from 1929 to 1994. The Club was the premier ladies club in Auckland (the Northern Club was gents only) and Smith and Caughey’s astutely gained the Club as a tenant since the most expedient way of accessing the Club was through the store to get to the lifts. The Club moved out as its membership declined and it could not attract new members. The firm then chose to retain the 6th floor for company purposes such as hosting exhibitions and for the Enchanted Cave and Santa prior to Christmas (and as noted in the media this will run as usual this coming Christmas).
    
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    August 7, 2024 8:08pm
Mod88

Is this not what Te Paati Maori want as espoused by their mouthpieces Waititi and Ngarewa-Packer. Sure sounds like it in Parliament but of course we have privilege and a weak Speaker.
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August 7, 2024 9:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think it is time the Speaker took his balls out of the Te Paati Maori handbag
  
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  August 7, 2024 6:13pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCdmZ76pOZg
Student Oliver Jull Reads the Speech His School Would Not Allow Him to Give

While some people may find elements of his speech confronting, surely this is exactly what free speech and debate is all about. We can only continue to improve as a society if we allow debate on issues. Oliver has presented his current position on these matters. [Oliver 1 New Plymouth Boy’s High 0. Thanks Sean for letting him read it.]
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August 7, 2024 9:48am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNBqU8AFRRg
A Migrant A Minute | Pauline Hanson’s Please Explain.
Next years refugee intake will be announced soon.
Last year, in a middle of a housing crises, they increased the numbers by several thousand .
Giving guaranteed housing to refugee arrivals while Australians sleep on the streets is disgusting.
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August 7, 2024 9:48am
- Damocles11
  
  Mass immigration happens right across the Western world due to a Left & Right alliance when it comes to this matter. The Right want mass immigration to boost GDP numbers, keep wages & salaries low, keep house prices high, and to keep up demand for new building of residential property to keep property developers and real estate agents in clover & keep the building industry employed.
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:56am
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, that’s the long and short of it.
    
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    August 7, 2024 5:21pm
Swifty

Hahahahahahahahahahahah!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350369824/video-shows-alleged-arsonists-fire-after-auckland-barbershop-break
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August 7, 2024 9:56am
- Maggie Pie
  
  “Police are seeking information from the public”
  
  Wonder if they’ve checked the waiting-room at Middlemore Burns Unit?
  
  It’s only been 5 days 😀
  
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  August 7, 2024 11:17am
  - Burtland
    
    theyre too busy checking facebook for bad words
    
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    August 7, 2024 12:11pm
- surfing
  
  Good riddance.
  
  Incidentally, it is my understanding from a cop mate that gangs are using vape shops & barbers to launder money.
  
  Which might explain the abundance of barber shops these days, and the number that catch on fire.
  
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  August 7, 2024 11:26am
  - rouppe
    
    They’ll have learned from the Asian gangs who use those massage shops in malls for the same purpose.
    
    Ever notice how they have very few customers?
    
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    August 7, 2024 11:44am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I like this quote from the shop owner from the article.
  “Some people hate you simply because they see you enjoying the success they don’t have from the work they haven’t done.”
  
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  August 7, 2024 12:28pm
MCōs

Did Donald Trump actually write this, surely not? https://x.com/accountablegop/status/1820916868896395650?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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August 7, 2024 9:57am
- Mike
  
  Well it reads more like one of his ‘speeches’ than anything scripted for him by a semi-sane flunky.
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:27am
Maggie Pie

So authentic. Soo real. Sooo totally not rehearsed 😀 😀 😀

Kamala calls Tim to ask him to be her running-mate…

https://x.com/yashar/status/1820901452279382021
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August 7, 2024 10:07am
- cmm
  
  It’s a bit like those people proposing in the restaurant. You look awfully stupid if they say no.
  
  The acting is so bad though that’s it is quite obviously rehearsed.
  
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  August 7, 2024 11:31am
- Inandout
  
  Read the screens you two and don’t go off script. Ready, set, go.
  
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  August 7, 2024 12:05pm
- nathie
  
  Jeepers the dude almost looks like another old-school Joe Biden!
  
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  August 7, 2024 2:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Had problems loging into Kiwiblog. Can’t find anything that would have given me a holiday. Could not even go to anything Kiwiblog. Password reset and I get a link that is still rejected. Reset the Modem/Router, still nothing. Away from home and I switch on data on my cellphone, and Kiwiblog works, but I can’t login.
Anyway here at about 10.30am everything is back to normal with a changed password.
Thanks to anyone who sorted things for me.

[Mod – no holiday this end, only muttonbird currently on one]
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August 7, 2024 11:17am
- Drone
  
  Must have been a nooby Steve..
  
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  August 7, 2024 11:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  God knows what happened Mod, but thanks for clarification.
  
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  August 7, 2024 12:45pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING 😀 😀 😀

They look to me like a couple of p*sshead Markists….

https://x.com/BenStanton77/status/1820957210689892541
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August 7, 2024 12:08pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Looks like he forgot to insert his top denture. 🙂
  
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  August 7, 2024 12:17pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OMG you’re right Don! I thort that’s what Kamala was famous for 😛
    
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    August 7, 2024 12:26pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Birds of a feather…… 😆
      
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      August 7, 2024 3:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

MTG goes ballistic. She is correct though.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kL2F7GvqUOc
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August 7, 2024 12:50pm
Bridgenag

New Zealand: Let’s do the time warp again!
“Health New Zealand” publishes their new pandemic plan

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/new-zealand-lets-do-the-time-warp?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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August 7, 2024 12:57pm
Maggie Pie

Bitch 😀 😀 😀

https://x.com/ricwe123/status/1820701114670485920
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August 7, 2024 1:04pm
MCōs

I watched the women’s boxing between Imane Khelif of Algeria and Janjaem Suwannapheng of Thailand, which the former won 5-0
Like all Thai boxers Janjaem comes from out in the stix and started off in Muay Thai
There were some Thais in the crowd, but you can be sure they won’t be her family who would be in front of the biggest TV know to man back in the village at four in the morning
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August 7, 2024 1:51pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  A man can bash a woman and get a gold medal…. beyond astonishing!
  
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  August 7, 2024 2:07pm
Swifty

The nasty, divisive Labour Party sinks to new lows, if that’s possible:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/524411/labour-mp-publishes-palestine-protest-video-asking-luxon-how-many-kids-did-you-kill

Honestly, this is just corrosive. If, as the Left constantly say, that words are violence, this is serial killer level.
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August 7, 2024 2:15pm
Maggie Pie

And then there’s this 🙁

What on God’s Earth is going on here??

https://x.com/ksorbs/status/1820802629032689731

(Over 55M views in the last 8 hours!)
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August 7, 2024 2:41pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Yes, we’re seeing the self-demolition of the UK. That’s where woke leftist leaders take you.
  Watch out NZ, USA et al.
  
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  August 7, 2024 3:12pm
Benedict Yu

I ventured over to The Standard. First time in a couple of years. I thought that things may have improved. Nope.

https://thestandard.org.nz/luxon-is-numerically-illiterate/

It is a little hard to unravel the reasoning. However, I think it says that there is no crisis in maths achievement in New Zealand schools. Any problems were caused by some standards introduced by a National Minister 15 years ago. And poverty. And the Government is mean for attacking “dedicated” teachers.

That is enough of “The Standard” for another two years. I hesitate to call commentators on public policy insane. But sadly this does come across as literally insane.
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August 7, 2024 2:45pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Good luck with unravelling the “reasoning”.
  Reasoning is a scary foreign subject to many of the ultra-left at The Standard.
  Unless you define reasoning as “reasons”.
  It is handy to have a lot of made-up reasons to oppose current governmental policies.
  
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  August 7, 2024 3:33pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  I think the ones at The Daily Blog (I call it The Psychic Scream) are worse, both in terms of posters and commentators.
  
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  August 7, 2024 10:38pm
Libertarians are right

First was Jamal Bowman and now Cori Bush losing her Primary despite being the incumbent.
Two squad members down.
It’s almost like being a Hamas loving Jew hating far left lunatic isn’t actually a good idea if you’re running for political office in the US.
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August 7, 2024 3:04pm
Swifty

Thanks for nothing Labour.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/oranga-tamariki-scraps-337-service-contracts-pulls-139m-in-funding-citing-under-delivery/3Y2U4UHEGZFV7PS5BOIHAJTNKQ/

Now I’m looking forward to a forensic examination of Whanau Ora and the reasons why Waipareira is sitting on tens of millions of accumulated taxpayer dough.
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August 7, 2024 3:28pm
MCōs

https://x.com/straydognz/status/1820409738548609125?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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August 7, 2024 4:45pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350370198/house-slips-moving-trailer-completely-blocks-northland-road
Aha !
Now we know where those Transpower nut-looseners went after being sacked for dropping a pylon !
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August 7, 2024 5:06pm
Swifty

UK Police trailing their new vehicle sirens:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/fGtoYmghxD66UGPr/?mibextid=UalRPS

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August 7, 2024 5:21pm
Scooter

Does anyone else find it bizarre that the Smith and Caughey store in Queen st will stay open while the Newmarket one will close (I would have thought Newmarket would have more success or less chance of bumping into deros). Or Is it like Stuff buying Newshub, they know it’s a dog and needs to be put out of its misery but just feel like it can last another year for feelz.
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August 7, 2024 6:14pm
Pope Punctilious II

Taxpayer-funded “white privilege” workshops for MBIE staff: https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350364763/government-still-spending-thousands-white-privilege-workshops

Mr. Luxon, would this be one of your “dumb programs”?
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August 7, 2024 6:39pm
- AitchW
  
  I suspect, your holiness, that it’s more likely an example of an openly hostile public service doing everything in its powers to embarrass the government.
  Even although they know full well that these workshops are textbook examples of the “dumb programs” that you reference, they won’t stop them because they haven’t been given specific instructions to do so. Passive aggression par excellence.
  Time for a couple of senior heads to roll at MBIE “pour encourage les autres”.
  
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  August 7, 2024 9:28pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    I doubt it’s intended specifically to embarrass the government. More likely it’s yet another manifestation of the “treaty partnership” ideology that permeates the public service. If the govt. is serious about getting rid of this crap, they’re going to have to issue specific directives, not just a vague ‘stop the dumb programs”.
    
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    August 8, 2024 8:39am
Maggie Pie

I see where that other guy ‘Lin’ is fihting in the womans smeifinal tonite.
Letz hope he wins…. 2 men figHting for the gold medal in the Olmpic womens boxing final would make history.

jUST SAYING…
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August 7, 2024 7:07pm
- fernglas
  
  Different weight groups
  
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  August 7, 2024 7:53pm
Swifty

Dave Chappelle – Comedy Central.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/9u578eYs6uJp52Mp/?mibextid=UalRPS

NSFW.
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August 7, 2024 7:26pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Brutally funny, but I still think his greatest hit ever was his That French Actor, Juicy Smoolleeh joke.
  
  I like that at one point early on he loses it briefly and needs to turn away from the audience to recover but the middle part of “White people don’t talk like that… It sounds..
  …like something I would say”, always cracks me up.
  
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