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Steve Otto(North Shore)

When did you turn black. Trump gets trolled.
This will be fun.
Duck Steve, here come the fun Police in 3, 2, 1…..

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/wheniturnedblack-trends-on-x-as-trump-is-trolled-over-claims-about-kamala-harris-race/ar-BB1r1F6j?
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August 2, 2024 8:04am
- Tom Barker
  
  Trump just lost the presidential election at that conference.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:31am
  - mandk
    
    Maybe.
    
    The Democrats are still desperate to keep the n…..s on the plantation.
    
    And the amazing thing is that many black journalists are complicit.
    
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    August 2, 2024 9:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I think you will find many have left the plantation.
      The fake news will never report the truth on that.
      
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      August 2, 2024 11:41am
  - Vidar
    
    First, Trump gets trolled for getting shot in the head. You can find trolling of anyone on X about any subject. It is not a good barometer.
    
    Second, you’re missing the mark with Kamala Harris. There are numerous news stories and videos highlighting her as the first Indian-American Vice President, including videos where she herself mentions this.
    
    Now, she identifies as Black and uses different accents when addressing Black audiences. Beyond patronising.
    
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    August 2, 2024 9:48am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Rubbish, she is Indian and Asian, most Americans know that, and will have thought the same
    
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    August 2, 2024 10:05am
    - MCōs
      
      Once it’s established she’s part Indian, part Jamaican some fool will try to claim she’s not really a woman or something else
      There’s always something else to distract the voters from the real issues
      https://x.com/garrison_hayes/status/1818800942482854069?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
      
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      August 2, 2024 2:59pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Did you actually watch the Q and A session, Tom? Trump handled the hostile environment and toxic posturing very well. It’s true that Harris has promoted herself in the past as Indian/ South Asian, yet now she is rebranding herself as ‘black’- ie African American. The truth hurts, eh! What people get from Trump is at least consistent, warts and all. What you get from Harris is vaccilation and obfuscation.
    
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    August 2, 2024 10:08am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yep. in fact is when he made the remarks the audience laughed with him. Oh I know they are spinning it they didn’t, but they did.
      That was an audience who are very aware of Cultural Appropriation and how many people try to take advantage of it for their own benefit.
      They also know how fake Harris is- and she didn’t even bother to turn up after being invited. Just last night she put on a fake Southern accent whilst talking to an audience in Atlanta. You’all this and you’all that. It was embarrassing.
      For a long time she made hay out of being Indian and suddenly she changed to be Black- people know this…
      Beside current Polling show Trump with an historic 22+% support from Blacks
      44% from Hispanics too.
      Trump scored major points at the conference with his remarks about how illegal immigrants are taking Blacks jobs. Again, the audience knows this.
      Gaslighting goes only so far.
      
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      August 2, 2024 10:36am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Bonus
        Heres Trump trolling her
        https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/1819013345640386703?
        
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        August 2, 2024 10:56am
      - Don Beckett
        
        I reckon it was hillarious. Trump certainly knows how to bait the “Fake News” people, and aside from being controversial, he is right on the button. I’m sure many black Americans agree with him – that is, if they’re not already plugged into the Kamala hysteria.
        
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        August 2, 2024 10:56am
      - All_on_Red
        
        This is also a woman who believed Jussie Smollett was a victim of a racist attack and still does.
        The more people find out about her the worse its going to get for her.
        I see not many want to be her VP either.
        
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        August 2, 2024 11:06am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The reason we know you’re incorrect in your assessment is that the left aligned media and DNC are not pushing it as an attack against Trump. Ie they judge that it is more to Trump’s benefit than Harris’s
    
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    August 2, 2024 1:38pm
  - Jennycraigsfailure
    
    Take you up on that.
    
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    August 2, 2024 3:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Oh it is now 5.48 pm.
    You got a few bites Tom 🙂
    
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    August 2, 2024 5:49pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He is suggesting that Asian Indians are not classed as blacks, I would have thought it was quite simple really
  
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  August 2, 2024 10:04am
  - Lance
    
    I know it’s an advanced concept for many.
    But it is possible to to be mixed race, both Indian and Black genetic back ground.
    
    Now back to debating actual policies
    
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    August 2, 2024 10:22am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      But she is not mixed Indian and black American, she is part Indian and Asian
      
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      August 2, 2024 1:49pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Her mother is from Kerala in India. Her father is a West Indian ( Jamaica?) with mixed Black, Scottish or Irish heritage. We know that the black slaves in the West Indies & and the USA are from Africa.
        So it appears, simply put, that Kamala is Half Indian , quarter African & quarter Celtic.
        
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        August 2, 2024 4:09pm
      - fernglas
        
        India is in Asia. How can she be part Indian and Asian? Particularly when her father was born of parents of African descent, one of whom had an Irish descended grandparent.
        Is it so hard in this world to accept that people can come from mixed cultures and identify with both? Particularly in America where people seem obsessed with race.
        
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        August 2, 2024 4:11pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Wonder how Maxine Waters is holding her racist shit together?
        
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        August 2, 2024 5:51pm
    - Drone
      
      Lance, be serious this is Kiwiblog on Friday afternoon
      
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      August 3, 2024 3:22pm
- Handyman
  
  The point of being black in the US election is to be a victim as a descendant of a black slave.
  However, Harris is descended from a wealthy slave OWNER, according to her father’s official bio.
  
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  August 2, 2024 10:29am
  - NothingLeft
    
    And Harris was raised by her Indian mother, not her Jamaican part african ancestry dad after they divorced when she was young, and appear to have been largely estranged.
    
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    August 2, 2024 1:44pm
    - Jack5
      
      A subheading on the web site of the New York Post:
      
      This election is really between Trump and the cultural institutions that are myth-building Kamala.
      
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      August 2, 2024 2:35pm
- Mike
  
  Obama wasn’t black enough for lots of people (who had no intention of voting for him) either.
  
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  August 2, 2024 6:34pm
softail 1450

There’s a bit of respite from the usual BS on Maori TV number 2 (TV1s breakfast program) because of the Olympics but at 3 minutes past 8.00 it’s straight back to the Oranga Tamariki crisis , whatever that is ??????.
Who could have ever imagined that I could miss the news on TV3 😪😪?
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August 2, 2024 8:08am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The only crisis is Labour let it smoulder away as usual
  
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  August 2, 2024 10:06am
- John Loveridge
  
  I don’t know why you bother watching any of that brain-rotting rubbish. All TV news had got to the point that I had to stop watching it before I blew a foofoo, and that was several years ago now. I haven’t missed it at all.
  
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  August 2, 2024 1:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The smart money is still on Trump. Well that is until the left media screw the scrum.

https://conservativeadvocacy.com/kamala-harris-faces-uphill-battle-as-trump-dominates-2024-election-race/?
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August 2, 2024 8:09am
- G152
  
  Fortunately by now the world is aware of the medias bias and take action to negate their negativity.
  
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  August 2, 2024 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And it has only taken the US media to wake up???//
    
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    August 2, 2024 5:53pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I put $200 on Trump at $1.50. I can afford the $200, but the worst part is that for four years, if Harris gets up, I will have two Lord Rutherfords waved in front of me whilst my mate gloats. If Trump loses it will be a miserable four years for me at my local hostelry.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:33am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Your mate e we I’ll not gloat for long if Harris gets in ffs, she is worse than Ardern on the flake-meter
    
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    August 2, 2024 10:08am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      She was calling for the police to be defunded. That is so astonishingly stupid enough on it’s own to sink her.
      
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      August 2, 2024 6:56pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    A risky bet. He would win a fair election. But the election won’t be fair and he has to survive until the election first.
    
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    August 2, 2024 1:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “There is a Tavern in the town,
    And there…..”
    OK Steve, it is a serious bet 🙂
    
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    August 2, 2024 5:55pm
- leoj
  
  The Dem switch to the cackler temorarily halted the printing presses but with a new name at the top the presses will be up and running again.
  
  It’s THOSE pre-printed and pre-signed ballots which will decide the election and the battleground states will be going full bore.
  
  Never trust the Dems – the party of weirdos.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    100 million of those ballots have the wrong name on them.//
    
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    August 2, 2024 11:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ooooohh, downtickers think their name was on the Ballots.
      Got some ID please?
      
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      August 2, 2024 5:57pm
Yabster

From Christchurch and not a fisherman but still pisses me off National is not stopping this racist shit. Have sent Luxon and co the email.

https://www.fairfishinghaurakigulf.nz/
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August 2, 2024 8:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Remember the beaches claim. It is 12 nautical miles out to sea from the high water mark.
  
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  August 2, 2024 12:02pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    A as d tgee ed government hav over ridden customary rights too make it much harder than what it originally was too get customary rights, looks like this government will not be fooled by partisan judges
    
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    August 2, 2024 1:52pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      12 Nautical miles is a long way.
      Been in the Hauraki Gulf with a GPS on the boat?
      
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      August 2, 2024 5:59pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Radical “Maori” racists are pulling a massive con job on New Zealand. New Zealand has become numb to their insane demands.
  
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  August 2, 2024 6:58pm
Scooter

More Olympdics controversy, Italian boxer Angela Carini has quit after one punch by Imane Khelif (gender diverse person). I’m so confused was he she born a female but has too much testosterone or is there bits missing/indeterminate? Still I suppose it’s easier to masquerade as a female in lose boxer shorts (literally) than say a sport like beach volleyball where their costumes leave nothing to the imagination.
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August 2, 2024 8:23am
peterwn

Neighbour’s (Wellington) electricity went off at about 5pm Wednesday and phoned me to see if it was a widespread failure which it was not. Looked at the neighbour’s modern meter and the LED lights were off so I told neighbour it was probably the pole fuse and to call the power retailer. Salt spray from the harbour can blow quite a way inland in strong winds and most probably had seriously corroded the pole fuse fitting.
Anyway someone turned up the next day and basically concluded the same thing. The householder was advised they would have to get a bucket truck to access the fuse and that would require traffic management and the dreaded red cones. So about 4pm (about 23 hours later!) the fuse holder and fuse were replaced and the neighbour had power.
In the old days a faultman would have turned up within two hours or less and fixed it himself. Indeed a faultman did that just months previously when another neighbour lost electricity and the fuse holder also had to be replaced. I wondered what happened in the interim for there to be such a change in policy.
I am wondering if it is because Health & Safety requirements and traffic management requirements have gone crazy. Possibly company directors and senior managers have gone paranoid since a significant accident on their patch could see themselves personally fined vast sums or thrown into prison.
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August 2, 2024 8:23am
- pdm
  
  A linesman and a ladder.
  
  All that is needed I would have thought – especially if he was able to park the truck so it provided protection from any passing traffic.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:40am
  - peterwn
    
    That is how it was traditionally done unless the pole looked unsafe.
    
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    August 2, 2024 9:51am
  - kowtow
    
    The other day, in a provincial city, I witnessed a slew of road cones reducing a two way road to one way at a time , controlled at both ends by temporary lights and a contractor , all to allow some tree work , over a pedestrian pavement ……..when there was already adequate space for parking along side the carriageway where the work was being done , which could have been cancelled and the tree contractors could have safely operated from there , without all the “traffic management” .
    
    I dread to think what the bill was .
    
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    August 2, 2024 10:28am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Somewhere near Kaiapoi last weekend a roadside was lined with cones and signage for, literally, several hundred metres. My daughter and I were wondering what was going on, but eventually we spotted a small hole, maybe 2m x 1m, dug a metre or so from the side of the road. Maybe fixing a leak in a pipe? Hard to tell as we drove by, there was nobody there because it was the weekend. Anyway, it was a completely ridiculous number of cones. The only logical explanation involved a charge per cone, per day.
      
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      August 2, 2024 1:23pm
- PurplePen
  
  Make sure there weren’t any pole nuts and bolts left lying spare on the ground nearby.
  
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  August 2, 2024 11:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Road cones have far more control over just managers.
  Health and Safety are nothing without ROAD CONES, and Health and Safety know they are controlled by ROAD CONES.
  Fuckin hell, they are like DALEKS!!
  
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  August 2, 2024 6:10pm
Cassandra

Should Israel have assassinated Haniyeh? On balance it was the wrong move, unless you wanted to stop any ceasefire negotiations in their tracks. Perhaps wait a few months might have been a better strategy, although “never miss an opportunity to take an opportunity”.
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August 2, 2024 8:25am
- Grunter
  
  Bashing a wasp hive with a cricket bat…….
  
  Yep, that will work!
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:53am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Its odd you are happy with Iran using its missiles (cricket bats) against Israel (the Wasp Hive) and not the other way around
    Shouldnt you be telling Iran to back off on its escalation against Israel?
    Oh and there already is a Regional War going on.
    It cant really get much worse.
    Personally I hope Hezbollah soon get to meet the CBU 87 (looking very likely), the Iranians get a few Stealth Missiles sent their way (their spy ship in the Gulf giving info to the Houthis has to go) and that Nuke Facility gets blown up.
    
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    August 2, 2024 12:03pm
    - Grunter
      
      Who said I was happy with Iran?
      
      Two evil tribes going to war. I don’t support either.
      
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      August 2, 2024 1:25pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Speaking of “evil”, which country is Israel determined to wipe off the map? I know this will be viewed as insane and a heresy, but if I was Israel I would seek to buy land in the USA and move everything and everybody in Israel there. There is a certain religion that has always been murderously and insanely anti-semetic since day one.
        
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        August 2, 2024 7:04pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Yes, they should have.
  He was evil and there was never going to be peace under him. The idea that ceasefire negotiations were possible has always just been a lie Hamas has used to make Israel look bad and when ceasefires happen, Hamas ALWAYS breaks them.
  Yes, there is also never going to be peace under the next guy.
  Yes, they will claim retribution when they commit the next attack they had planned, but that attack was coming anyway.
  Removing Haniyeh doesn’t change the deeply bred hatred from Hamas one way or another.
  
  Why do it then? Because Israel could. It’s easy for those evil pieces of crap to send others to become martyrs but they never had any intention of becoming martyrs themselves.
  They are utterly secular (as shown by his lifestyle after stealing billions from his own people) and therefore the idea that Israel can reach them and hold them accountable for their crimes will scare them.
  Let those cockroaches (the murderous leadership) live their lives in fear. Let their underlings whose lives they show no regard for see how much their leadership cares for their own lives, how they are just pawns. Maybe, those underlings will learn they are being lied to – the true abusers of the Palestinian people are their leaders and that has always been the case.
  
  The fact that Israel planted the bomb two months ago in the hopes that a worthwhile target would sleep in that room at some point in the future should scare all of the terrorist scumbags and that’s a good thing.
  
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  August 2, 2024 10:02am
  - Drone
    
    Wot about the war criminal Netenyahu. Will his chums the Brits and Yanks continue to provide money and arms and moral support to the crim..
    
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    August 2, 2024 10:59am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Dont be an idiot
      There are millions in Israel.
      Its about protecting them not Netanyahu
      He’ll be gone soon and no doubt will end up in Court
      
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      August 2, 2024 11:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Really? Was he not directly responsible for Oct 7 and the killing of those kids last week?
  
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  August 2, 2024 10:09am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Disagree. You take your chances with hard to reach targets when those chances emerge.
  
  Getting a remote controlled device into a IRGC run hostelry is not easy and the chance may not have come again.
  
  The bomb was placed some time ago waiting for Haniyeh to come back to Tehran.
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/nyt-haniyeh-was-killed-by-explosive-smuggled-into-tehran-guesthouse-two-months-ago/
  
  And what is the downside? From Israel’s its none.
  
  The much talked up American driven peace talks are doomed for failure. Israel wont rest until Hamas in Gaza is crushed, and then they will launch a war in Lebanon
  
  Its existential for Israel now – the 1200 victims in Oct 23 make it very clear that peace will never happen while Iran is sponsoring Hizbollah and Hamas to constantly attack the Israeli state..
  
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  August 2, 2024 10:13am
  - Grunter
    
    Both sides see this as existential. Peace in the Middle East won’t happen, and it is further away than ever.
    
    The only questions are what happens next and how big does this get? Neither side will survive an all out regional war. This is potentially a mutual destruction scenario.
    
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    August 2, 2024 11:13am
    - marcw
      
      Tell us in your own words Grunter, what would happen if the Israel State lay down their arms and declared a ceasefire in the name of “peace”?
      Use your best crayons.
      
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      August 2, 2024 11:28am
      - Grunter
        
        I have never said that Israel will lay down their arms. All I have said is that this war will keep escalating, as it has for the past 9 months.
        
        In my view, there is no realistic solution to this situation. No one has a solution that makes any sense. And don’t for one minute think that Israel has a solution by massacring Gaza – that obviously just makes it worse.
        
        Neither side will stop. Neither side will win.
        
        marcw – your turn with the crayons…..
        
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        August 2, 2024 11:52am
      - marcw
        
        Up until about midday on 7 October 2023 there was a ceasefire which Israel honored – maybe if that most useless of organisations called the UN could somehow wake up, call out the Islamic States for their barbaric leadership, and organise a combined world boycott on their existence in being part of the civilised world.
        
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        August 2, 2024 12:16pm
      - Grunter
        
        marcw
        “…..maybe if the UN would wake up…..”
        
        I said realistic solutions, that’s never going to happen.
        
        Again, I’m not being a smart arse – just being realistic that this mess has no realistic solution. It will either continue as it is now, or it will get worse.
        
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        August 2, 2024 1:31pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        One side wants peaceful existence. The other side wants to destroy all Jews from their midst. Apparently to “restore pride” for their religion.
        
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        August 2, 2024 7:08pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Its another example to Iran that Israel can kill anyone anywhere.
    Taking out the S400 guarding the airbase which guards the Nuclear Facility was another.
    They didnt even see it coming.
    Not a big stretch to go from killing Hamas leaders to end up killing the Mullahs.
    These things give Iran pause as they realise they are vulnerable.
    It also shows the people of Iran who want regime change that the leadership is not untouchable…
    
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    August 2, 2024 11:56am
    - Grunter
      
      Red – I agree with what you say above. But again, that just makes most Iranians want to kill more Israelis not less. And I expect that is what will happen.
      
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      August 2, 2024 1:33pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I get the impression a lot of people in Iran would not be too depressed if their leadership was no more.
      
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      August 2, 2024 7:09pm
      - Grunter
        
        I think you’re right on that one.
        
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        August 2, 2024 7:28pm
Tomtoddy

I haven’t been all over the Olympics but I love to see those who work hard, discipline their lives and show a powerful focus on achieving, getting rewarded.

In a world that grows paler, rejects meritocracy, rewards laziness it’s refreshing to see two Kiwi women bring home the bacon in the double sculls. All those cold dark mornings pushing their body to the limit paid off. Good on them.
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August 2, 2024 8:25am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The two Gold medals won to date by NZ are a snapshot of the country. Different family backgrounds , but the same joy. Good on ‘em all.
  
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  August 2, 2024 8:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I was watching Lucy Spoors and Brooke Francis yesterday and pointed out their timing to my partner. Timing and duplicate action. When the camera viewed them front on both oars at the back were perfectly parallel with the oars at the front throughout the whole movement. Same depth in the water, same oar turning. Exactly the same action by both women.
  
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  August 2, 2024 8:55am
- kowtow
  
  Angela Carini would beg to differ.
  
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  August 2, 2024 8:55am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The standout the womens double last night, both women stop their training in 2022 yo have kids, they returned to beat the Olympic and world champion Romanians, absolutely outstanding
  
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  August 2, 2024 10:15am
  - Jethrod
    
    Rowing provides focus just about more than any other sport. It is particularly good for late teenage boys. Iwas once talking with an NZ richlister whose son was totally into rowing, so much so his school grades improved as well .
    I witnessed Wybo Veldman in the mid-60’s take up rowing. He had been into horses and wanted a change; consequently a Gold Medal in the 8’s in 1972 after years of HARD training.
    
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    August 2, 2024 10:54am
Maggie Pie

Calls for Gerry to resign as SPEAKER appear to be gaining momentum on ‘X’

Some are still questioning the motive behind his seemingly clandestine meeting with the thief Golriz at the outdoors venue in Auckland, where they were captured on video taking tea together….

https://x.com/TheConsultant18/status/1818787140157030528
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August 2, 2024 8:27am
- cmm
  
  The meeting was not that clandestine really.
  
  Gerry has always had a soft spot for GG. But he needs to be careful that it does not look like a dirty-old-man infatuation that compromises his office.
  
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  August 2, 2024 8:33am
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm: Well said…but quite why anyone would have a soft spot for that obvious fraud – and I mean before she was revealed as also being a thief – escapes me. God forbid that old Gerry fancies her.
    
    He is on record as saying – I’m pretty sure it was him – : “No-one knows better than me that power is an aphrodisiac”.
    
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    August 2, 2024 9:16am
    - CJames
      
      That was supposed to be Henry Kissinger, wasn’t it?
      
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      August 2, 2024 1:21pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He r were oils have been seeing his final work with her, they don’t simply resign and walk out, there will be rap around support from parliament, I can’t see why this is such a crime
    
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    August 2, 2024 10:19am
- pdm
  
  I quite enjoy `Big Gerry’s’ relaxed style but, he got it wrong with the ACT pins although the party did not help themselves once he made his ruling.
  
  If he follows up by returning to a dress code of ties for men and no hats or Hamas terrorist scarves etc in the chamber it will be a good move.
  
  He also needs to knock Peters often idiotic supplementary questions and pointless points of order on the head a bit quicker. As well as the
  `smart alec’ responses to them from Hipkins and McAnulty.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:02am
  - Ghost
    
    The business committee, which act are part of made the decision.
    
    The third issue is about Act MPs wearing their party logos on their lapels. It would not be an issue at all if Act MP Cameron Luxton and National’s James Meager had not objected last week to Te Pāti Māori MP Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke having a party logo on her laptop. She had to cover it up. When the issue was raised this week at the business committee, it was decided to extend it to all logos – including the Act broaches that can be easily seen on television coverage of Parliament. Former Speaker Trevor Mallard gave Act dispensation a few years ago. Brownlee, as is his right, has decided there should be one rule for all. In this case, Brownlee should do nothing except enforce the rule and allow no member of the Act Party to ask or answer questions until all its MPs comply. Their choice.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/the-battle-between-act-and-te-pati-maori-is-out-of-hand-speaker-gerry-brownlee-must-take-urgent-action-audrey-young/6WYGYJKATJG6BFTFLBDSSB7UII/
    
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    August 2, 2024 9:42am
  - Damocles11
    
    Can’t he sit down with Peters and have a chat to him about it? Surely they can sort this out one on one.
    
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    August 2, 2024 10:23am
    - pdm
      
      I am not sure Peter’s would listen. There is nothing he likes better than grandstanding
      
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      August 2, 2024 11:03am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What the hell does Peter’s have to do with it?
      
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      August 2, 2024 2:03pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He might well have hit it wrong with the pins, but this gives Brownlie amp over the vulgar TPM and the screaming Chloe, he has vowed to tidy up the racist retort to Chour, note he stated yesterday the two questions too her will be heard in silence so I can hear what is said, he said the crap will be tidied up, I s as Leo note the TPM were very quite yesterday
    
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    August 2, 2024 2:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ Parliament has turned into a shambles The rude outbursts have gone past just yelling out, now they confront and get in the face (JAG)
  The standard of dress is shocking. The place is becoming like the old Saturday nights in a public bar. No respect for themselves or others.
  Ad, the only one who is really snappy is Winston Peters.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:04am
  - kowtow
    
    Presided over by Brownlee. He’s doing a terrible job.
    
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    August 2, 2024 9:10am
  - Grunter
    
    It is the Clown show surrounded by Wellington parasites (paid for by taxpayers)
    
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    August 2, 2024 9:23am
  - imalwaysright
    
    “The place is becoming like the old Saturday nights in a public bar.”
    
    Correct S.O.
    The only things missing are the leaners and the happy hour on jugs.
    
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    August 2, 2024 9:26am
    - kowtow
      
      Public bar with no dress code.
      
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      August 2, 2024 9:46am
  - Simon
    
    No leadership. Luxon is missing all worried about if Costco are going to open another shop or something. Quite fucking useless.
    
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    August 2, 2024 9:27am
  - Damocles11
    
    Parliament has been conquered by forced Maorification just as we all have. We are all being required to meekly submit and if we don’t, we get ‘colonist’ and ‘racist’ screamed at us. It comes through the TV screens if you want it or not, and is ramping up. Just look at Skys coverage of the Olympics: more Maori words used in a pidgin type setting; are they trying to turn television into an extended language class?
    What if the majority don’t want ‘decolonisation’ and ‘reindigenisation’….do we just have to accept it being forced upon us? What is the force that is driving all of this and how can it be stopped?
    
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    August 2, 2024 10:55am
  - Drone
    
    Parliament is a reflection of society. Very few people in business wear a tie today, and most work from home and wear casual clothing. When the WFH trick catches up with parliament expect to see fewer mps turning up.
    
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    August 2, 2024 11:05am
  - Ghost
    
    If you don’t like the dress code then write those on the business committee and suggest they change it
    
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    August 2, 2024 11:20am
- oldpark
  
  Go figure this one . If ACT hadn’t won in Tamaki at last election .
  
  Big Gerry long past his use by date would have been just a memory. Unfortunately we now have someone like Gerry out of his depth in more ways than one . Go figure.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:06am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    But O’Connor would have been in Parliament and I would prefer Gerry to O’Connor every day of the week, twice on Sundays. He had a right to run and the voters had a right to choose a woman over him.
    
    Gerry’s problem is that he’s trying to be equitable rather than treat everyone equally. That is a mistake that needs to be fixed.
    
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    August 2, 2024 10:11am
    - Damocles11
      
      So he is woke in other words.
      
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      August 2, 2024 10:55am
    - pdm
      
      Lib – if you mean Greg O’Connor he is in Parliament and an Assisistant Speaker.
      
      If you mean Damien O’Connor he is in Parliament and not doing much.
      
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      August 2, 2024 12:59pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        PDM – Simon O’Connor, the former National MP for Tamaki who Van Velden beat in the election.
        He was probably the most outspoken and conservative Christian National Party MP and was very vocal against ACT’s libertarian positions.
        
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        August 2, 2024 2:13pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well, he has said he is going to tidy the place up, let’s just see what happens next time the cow boy starts his antics
      
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      August 2, 2024 2:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        ‘Te Cowboy.’ 🙂
        
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        August 2, 2024 6:17pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      You’d prefer Gerry over Simon O’Connor? What exactly are Gerry’s redeeming features? O’Connor at least voted against the inclusion of “gender identity” in the so-called Conversion Practices ban – unlike Brownlee and unlike Seymour.
      
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      August 2, 2024 5:39pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I can hear a moderator coming. 😀
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:07am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Gerry is the speaker, he will have work he must do for a resigned in disgrace MP, I would have thought it was better for him to visit than her to show her criminal face in the parliament. Some people are beyond crazy
  
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  August 2, 2024 10:17am
- AitchW
  
  To be fair, X is a sewer of trolls. I’ve read some quite astonishing stuff there from some very strange people. You could probably find calls for Gerry Brownlee to be sainted if you looked long enough.
  I’m not suggesting that his actions this week have been appropriate, merely that it’s not entirely wise to draw too many conclusions from trends on X.
  
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  August 2, 2024 10:53am
- OlderChas
  
  Comment of the day Biscuit!
  
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  August 2, 2024 11:59am
  - pdm
    
    Don’t praise him too much OC – his head is big enough already so I have heard.
    
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    August 2, 2024 12:55pm
cmm

The $1 click bait whores are at it again.

“Air New Zealand explains its airfares after it cost almost $2000 to fly domestically”

Once you read in the article it is actually $1880 for 2 tickets.

Why stop at 2 people? Why not fly a rugby team? Then you could have said $20,000?

Hey S1uff, with shit like this no wonder the credibility of the MSM is plummeting.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350364004/air-new-zealand-explains-its-airfares-after-it-cost-almost-2000-fly-domestically
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August 2, 2024 8:29am
- Biscuit
  
  cmm, any moment now Sky’s gushing commentators will be on air with ‘and New Zealand has now won almost 100 medals at Paris 2024’…
  
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  August 2, 2024 8:52am
- Inandout
  
  cmm, still appalling prices when you can fly from Sydney to Brisbane for a few hundred of our dollars. Oh I forgot, Oz has a range of airlines to choose from.
  
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  August 2, 2024 8:54am
  - PurplePen
    
    Not really a range. Virgin and Jetstar is about all there is and then occasionally Qantas if they’re not using Jetstar for the route already.
    
    If a country that size has so few airlines running main domestic routes I’d say it’s unlikely we’re ever going to have any more than the two we have.
    
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    August 2, 2024 12:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This is what I was saying yesterday. The NZ media is pathetic.
  Is their target audience 10 year olds?
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:08am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Two return tickets
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:15am
- mandk
  
  This is just cry-baby journalistic dribble.
  
  Of course it costs heaps, if you fly at peak times and at short notice.
  
  I booked Mrs Mandk to fly Wellington to Christchurch return for $300 including a checked in bag.
  
  I just had to book off-peak and two months ahead.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:54am
  - sirknz
    
    What!
    
    Plan Ahead? The very idea is preposterous…
    
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    August 2, 2024 11:19am
  - wsk12345
    
    Hmm I just paid $89 each way a month ahead. Assumed that was standard as it’s been awhile since I booked my own flights.
    
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    August 2, 2024 10:03pm
stever

Men should not punch women !
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August 2, 2024 8:31am
- pdm
  
  stever I don’t think women should punch other women.
  
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  August 2, 2024 1:00pm
hookerphil

Who knew that if you put New Zealand in the English to Maori google translation you get Aotearoa.
Must be why I see the back of our Olympic tracksuits has Aotearoa above New Zealand.
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August 2, 2024 8:31am
- Blog-aholic
  
  You can thank Oriini Kaipara for that, she if the NZ Olympic cultural advisor……..nuff said.
  
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  August 2, 2024 10:50am
  - pdm
    
    ……….nuff said ba.
    
    FFS may be more appropriate.
    
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    August 2, 2024 1:01pm
- sirknz
  
  I wonder how long it would take for enough people to correct it to Niu Tireni, as per that treaty they all bang on about?
  
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  August 2, 2024 11:21am
  - PurplePen
    
    Or the name that South Island Maori have for the lands, or the Wanganui tribes that also had a different name. Its colonisation of Maori all over again but this time by Northern Maori tribes.
    
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    August 2, 2024 12:10pm
- lifesgood
  
  I’m bloody annoyed by that Aotearoa on the back of NEW ZEALAND’S team’s tracksuits. The country is not and never has been Aotearoa. And what’s worse it is above NEW ZEALAND. Disgusting!
  
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  August 2, 2024 1:11pm
Yvette

MEDIAWATCH: How TVNZ will damage Public Broadcasting after amputating news
By Martyn Bradbury
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2024/08/02/mediawatch-how-tvnz-will-damage-public-broadcasting-after-amputating-news/

No, you don’t need to consider whether Bradbury’s article touching on truth and facts becoming paywalled and the place of mis-information, is itself misinformation – just think briefly about the issues mentioned –
another way to ruin you day?
And why is the State in public broadcasting, if it is not available freely to the public?
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August 2, 2024 8:33am
Maggie Pie

Shades of Laurel Hubbard?

What a farce the Olympics has become…
This bloke just knocked a woman out cold on live TV.
Women should NOT have to compete against biological MALES 🙁

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1818993945491513538
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August 2, 2024 8:48am
- Biscuit
  
  Apologies to any Boxing fans out there but this is just another reason – the inherent corrupt ‘judging’ being another – why Boxing should be turfed out of the Olympic Games.
  
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  August 2, 2024 8:54am
  - kowtow
    
    There’s plenty of evidence that the very highest level of Ollies , track and field, aren’t exactly drug free either.
    
    From strat to finish the whole whole thing’s a post modernist farce.
    
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    August 2, 2024 8:59am
  - Manu-Rau
    
    Turfed? Or terfed?
    
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    August 2, 2024 9:22am
- Grunter
  
  So far my total boycotting of the Paris Olympics has gone unnoticed…..
  
  I’ve grown up as a total sports nut – but I can not watch this crap. Just another thing wrecked by Leftards!
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Males in Women’s sport is cheating and nothing else.
  Not good enough to compete against men so they cheat.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:20am
- imalwaysright
  
  There are rules.
  And there are ethics.
  
  Seems to be many rules and not many ethics.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:29am
- Simon
  
  Male assaults female new Olympic sport. Its inclusive as gang members now excited.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:29am
- Jethrod
  
  But he has shaved armpits!
  
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  August 2, 2024 11:00am
  - hookerphil
    
    Didn’t actually. Hairy.
    
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    August 2, 2024 12:31pm
    - Jethrod
      
      Refer to your own armpit for comparison….unless of course you trim yours?
      
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      August 2, 2024 6:21pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Will this “guy” get to fight Lin Yu-ting the “guy” from Taiwan or are they different divisions?
  
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  August 2, 2024 12:00pm
- Scooter
  
  Probably only put her and the Taiwan boxer in to create a bit of controversy and get more people watching. That’s why you’d never see a tranny in women’s beach volleyball.
  
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  August 2, 2024 6:07pm
- Scooter
  
  Why don’t they just have the tranny olympics or go for broke and one for LGBTQQIP2SA.
  
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  August 2, 2024 6:10pm
Paulus

Typical Stuff and all the media – incompetent idiots.
I saw accidentally that in their 6pm news Tova appeared as a rude interviewer.
I assume she had been told to STFU, but they cannot wait to get her back as Political Oberfuhrer, as almost and probably equal to the other “ladies” of Politics in the media currently each trying to outdo each other in sheer arrogance in their rudeness.
StuffTV will not last long
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August 2, 2024 8:50am
kevn

Biscuit… Be interesting to get Bob Jones take on this Olympic boxing debacle.
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August 2, 2024 9:01am
- Biscuit
  
  Bob is back blogging, I see, kevn.
  
  Will keep an eye out for his views!
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:09am
  - Simon
    
    Aside from his property comments he is boring as fuck. You can read everything he writes in MSM. Lot more interesting and informed people around.
    
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    August 2, 2024 9:31am
    - imalwaysright
      
      I like his articles. If you know of people more interesting and informed then let us know.
      Bassett, Hide, and Brash are good. So is Trotter, Bryce Edwards, and Karl duFresne.
      
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      August 2, 2024 9:52am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hes funny but he knows fuck all about US Politics
        He was pushing Pete Buttigieg for President the other day
        Spare me
        
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        August 2, 2024 10:45am
    - Colville
      
      Simon.
      Agreed.
      Well past his use by date.
      
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      August 2, 2024 11:10am
    - Damocles11
      
      My chief objection to Sir Bob is how he threw money at the Labour party when they were on their knees and Jacinda came to him with the begging bowl out. What a wimp! Thanks for nothing Sir Bob.
      
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      August 2, 2024 12:28pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Bob likes Labour because they fill Wellington with bureaucrats who then fill up his many tower block offices.
        
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        August 2, 2024 1:14pm
      - Damocles11
        
        I detest Labour. I abhor Labour.
        
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        August 2, 2024 3:25pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    I was just reading this
    
    https://nopunchespulled.com/2024/07/24/government-agency-corruption/
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350332750/worksafes-whakaari-investigator-said-chopper-companies-shouldnt-be-charged
    
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    August 2, 2024 9:32am
kowtow

At his inauguration the Iranian president and leaders from Palestinian Jihad , Houthis , Hezbollah gathered with Hamas’ Haniyeh and chanted “Death to Israel” ,

nek minnit.
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August 2, 2024 9:06am
Grunter

Dunedin City Councillor – Lee Vandervis is under constant attack from his fellow Councillers for being a racist. He has been called a “stale, pale male” in Council meetings by other Councillors (which went unpunished).

Herald link
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/dunedin-councillor-lee-vandervis-censured-over-maori-representation-comments/LZEQUCROLNBS7E26H37ZK7LUZQ/#google_vignette

So what did he do to deserve a code of conduct complaint? Here is the full details on Vandervis website…
https://leevandervis.com/
1. Pronounced “Maori” incorrectly
2. Didn’t sing his own waiata for the pōwhiri process of the up-coming Te Pae Māori hui (hint, he didn’t know how to do this and is not a great singer).
3. Refused to speak Maori (hint, he doesn’t know the language – like most NZers)
4. Voted against every request for Council funding of Maori only initiatives and jobs (hint these are ‘race-based’ (racist) initiatives, and Vandervis voted against them).

ALL Councilors voted in support of the Code of Conduct against Vandervis.

That means I now only have one DCC Councillor that I can vote for next year. Vandervis is not perfect, but he is the only one who is NOT a racist.
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August 2, 2024 9:17am
- kowtow
  
  He’s also a favourite target of the local and very biased rag , the ODT.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:33am
  - Jack5
    
    The Otago Daily Times is still owned by Allied Press.
    
    Julian Smith, the patriarch of the Smith family holding, still owns 35 per cent.
    
    Is the drift of the O.D.T. to the liberal Left a minature version of what’s going on with Rupert Murdoch and his news empire?
    
    Rupert, 93, is trying to ensure that his conservative son Lachlan inherits control and keeps the news empire on the Right.
    
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    August 2, 2024 2:28pm
- PurplePen
  
  Totally agree. He is actually the one not being racist. It beggars belief how all the others can’t see that they actually are by forcing Maori practices on to a freely elected councillor. BTW, all those Maori practices I doubt very much are practiced by the majority of Maori.
  
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  August 2, 2024 12:14pm
  - greybeard
    
    An email I sent him, and his reply:
    “Date: Saturday, 13 July 2024 at 6:44 PM
    To: Lee Vandervis
    Subject: Support
    Just been reading about your stand re maorification of NZ.
    I agree with you. As do many, many others out here.
    I do not live in Dunedin but have family ties down there.
    Great place, and it doesn’t deserve to be ruined by a minority.
    cheers ”
    
    “From: Lee Vandervis
    To:
    Date: 13/07/2024 21:34 NZST
    Subject: Re: Support
    Ta for your encouragement
    Full details of the accusation and other representative information are on my blog leevandervis.com
    At the DCC, our Maori elites pretend it is all about respect and culture when it is mainly about more public money and rewriting history to suit.
    Cheers,
    Lee”
    
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    August 2, 2024 1:18pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING ‘X’

I see the Olympic ‘men-in-womens-sport-debate’ has just reached the highest level
of political debate in the USA !

Missouri’s Secretary-of-State, Valentina Gomez, weighs in on what she calls…..
“the worst Olympics in history”

https://x.com/ValentinaForSOS/status/1819116948862783995
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August 2, 2024 9:31am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, interesting to see those trans friendly sponsor companies. I would imagine they are also DEI soaked.
  
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  August 2, 2024 9:53am
  - Damocles11
    
    Amoral corporate wokesters are the worst, soulless mannequins ‘swimming with the tide’ while feathering their own nests. Sadly, New Zealand is full of these people who put status and money ahead of all else.
    
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    August 2, 2024 12:26pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Agreed. The mandatory railing against “socialists” ignores the damage being done by woke corporations, and – as you put it so well – those status-seeking individuals who swim with the tide.
      
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      August 2, 2024 12:39pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      They are just copying what was started in the US years ago with DEI etc
      Which is why its worth following US politics to see whats coming up
      Interestingly DEI is now being ejected by Universities and Corporates.
      They are realising how destructive it is
      #Marxism
      
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      August 2, 2024 1:16pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Zero push back by corporate so-called ‘leaders’ (followers).
        
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        August 2, 2024 2:03pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        https://abcnews.go.com/US/corporate-america-slashing-dei-workers-amid-backlash-diversity/story?id=100477952
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaunharper/2023/07/18/why-corporate-execs-are-pulling-the-plug-on-dei/
        https://techcrunch.com/2024/07/29/dei-backlash-stay-up-to-date-on-the-latest-legal-and-corporate-challenges/?
        
        Etc etc
        
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        August 2, 2024 2:51pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Bud Light will be pleased with the boxing result
    
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    August 2, 2024 12:46pm
MCōs

Yesterday two Kiwi mums won gold medals and other rowers also won medals, but all that’s pushed aside so we can be outraged by some Algerian boxer who’s been around for years and placed nowhere in the last Olympics
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August 2, 2024 10:00am
Pope Punctilious II

Step right up folks, read all about “Unsettling the settler colonial university: a feminist decolonization of higher education in New Zealand”

Your taxpayer dollars are funding the complete subversion of New Zealand’s education system and other institutions – both of these intellectual imposters (Azarmandi and Tolbert) are on the payroll of University of Canterbury.
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August 2, 2024 10:03am
- Burtland
  
  marxism is alive and well in education – this lot are focused on destroying science
  
  “Now, new research has found that streaming in mathematics also has profound emotional consequences that disproportionately affect Māori and Pacific students”
  
  https://e-tangata.co.nz/reflections/streaming-shame/
  
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  August 2, 2024 11:27am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    The usual sort of equivocation and non-sequiturs from progressives. Inequality of outcome = racism.
    
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    August 2, 2024 12:04pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    Yet if you don’t stream, you get the situation I’m in with my youngest daughter. She’s so bored and frustrated in her first year at high school because everything’s geared to the dumbest common denominator, well below her ability. The teachers don’t know how to deal with her. I’m having to pick up all the pieces at home.
    
    Teachers try to pacify the dummies and prevent from feeling bad, and meanwhile hobble our brightest kids and prevent them from reaching their potential.
    
    Excellence is frowned upon. Thou shalt all be equally mediocre.
    
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    August 2, 2024 1:38pm
- Damocles11
  
  Make it stop! For the love of God, please make it stop!
  
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  August 2, 2024 12:24pm
- Taieri
  
  both of these intellectual imposters (Azarmandi and Tolbert) are on the payroll of University of Canterbury
  ———
  
  And both of them are immigrants, one is American and the other one hails from Iran.
  
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  August 2, 2024 1:33pm
  - Local Miller
    
    What have you got against immigrants? I’m an immigrant and making a significant positive contribution to NZ working as I do in a specialist IT role. Many of the immigrants working in NZ are excellent people, hard working and positive.
    
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    August 2, 2024 4:45pm
    - Taieri
      
      What have you got against immigrants?
      ———–
      
      Nothing in general.
      
      Plenty against those that have been here 5 minutes and already decided that they know the best what’s good for us. Including re-modelling this country according to their own weird and wonderful ideas.
      
      According to their LinkedIn profiles, Sara Tolbert came to NZ about 5 years ago and Mahdis Azarmandi first came to NZ in 2014 to do a PhD in “peace and conflict studies” and then returned about 5 years ago to take up a job at the Canterbury.
      
      It’s pretty much the same for a number of “imported” MP’s, particularly from the Green Party. Again, there’s nothing wrong with a foreign born MP, but perhaps they should get to know what makes this country tick first, before they hang a green coloured pendant off their necks and lecture the rest of us on the evils of colonisation.
      
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      August 2, 2024 5:59pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Yep. If you migrate here, it’s presumably because here is better than wherever you came from.
        
        By definition, such people should hesitate to publicly criticise their new host country.
        
        If I was to be invited to your house and then promptly criticised the decor then I doubt I’d be welcomed back.
        
        This is not to say that migrants should hold their tongues. Hell, I’m well aware that this place ain’t perfect. But there’s a big difference between expressing views on the one hand and actively trying to push a foreign ideology on the other.
        
        Certainly, I would never have the brass face to stand as an MP if I were a migrant.
        
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        August 2, 2024 8:19pm
Muttonbird

National: There’s too much centralisation at Health NZ.

Also National: We’re sacking the board and putting one guy in charge.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/518363/lester-levy-appointed-new-chairperson-of-health-nz-board

National: There are too many layers of management at Health NZ.

Also National: Here’s another layer of management.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/523707/four-new-regional-directors-for-te-whatu-ora-announced#:~:text=On%20Wednesday%2C%20they%20were%20named,South%20Island%2C%20Te%20Waipounamu).
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August 2, 2024 10:15am
- Grunter
  
  Labour-Lite are so full of BS…!!
  
  Rob McCulloch sums it up on his Blog just now
  
  https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/
  
  Incoming Nat supporters………5, 4, 3, …… 🙄
  
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  August 2, 2024 11:25am
- Don Beckett
  
  What brilliant analysis Muttonhead – you are clearly demonstrating your prowess as the leading critic with your vast knowledge of the health system.
  
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  August 2, 2024 11:26am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He would have been seeing his final work with her, they don’t simply resign and walk out, there will be rap around support from parliament, I can’t see why this is such a crime
  
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  August 2, 2024 12:17pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What bullshit, they will scrap much of the management crap, you will be like Labour saying the patient is not part of it, but they said there’s 14 layers between the CEO and the patient, Labour say you don’t count the CEO and the patient, even though that is what the Nats said between the CEO and patient.
  
  Labour think they are funny, but they are being very foolish
  
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  August 2, 2024 12:23pm
  - AitchW
    
    More high school debating from Hipkins and co. Ignore the pile of crap that they created and, with a willing and compliant media, focus on a small irrelevant non-issue.
    I hope that by the time they get back into government I’ll be well into my dotage.
    
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    August 2, 2024 1:55pm
Libertarians are right

But feminism is an entirely western phenomenon? by pushing feminism on something, it’s actually an act of colonization.
Western culture changes, it adapts. It was formerly patriarchal but isn’t any more (and rightly so).
When people try to force equality on society, they’re forcing western culture on it. It’s colonization.
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August 2, 2024 10:16am
Ehlana

“Its name reflects the vision for this space as a place of wānanga and mātauranga that restores all those who filter through this historic place where the city meets the sea.
Mixing elements of raranga with the symbolism of kupenga and kōrimurimu, this art lends itself to a time when our shores were covered in seaweed and fish were abundant.”

Anyone able to tell me what this is about?
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August 2, 2024 10:30am
- Damocles11
  
  It’s about a brazen takeover of our country being engineered by leftists and wokesters, and the vast majority of New Zealanders seem unable / incapable when it comes to doing something about it. The wokesters in our corporates and the public service are probably even worse than the rabid separatists, as they are amoral complicit sheep simply ‘swimming with the tide’ so they can keep feathering their own nests.
  
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  August 2, 2024 12:23pm
Ghost

Judge allows naming of boy responsible for stabbing

Judge Andrew Menary said his decision to allow Axel Rudakubana to be named was exceptional given the boy’s age.

Rudakubana, who police said was born in Wales, faces three counts of murder over the deaths of Alice Dasilva Aguiar, nine, Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, and Bebe King, six, in the seaside town of Southport in northwest England.

He also has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder for the eight children and two adults who were injured

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August 2, 2024 10:53am
- Ghost
  
  What we know about suspect Axel Rudakubana as identity revealed
  
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  August 2, 2024 10:57am
  - Ghost
    
    A choir boy.
    
    The source said the family were heavily involved with a local church, and described the suspect as a “quiet choir boy”.
    
    Article
    
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    August 2, 2024 11:04am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Don’t forget the autism…
      
      The court heard how the teen had been “diagnosed with autism” and had been “unwilling to leave the house and communicate with his family for a period of time”.
      
      https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/southport-stabbings-teen-suspect-quiet-33379141
      
      It seems more like schizophrenia to me.
      
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      August 2, 2024 11:37am
  - NothingLeft
    
    UK police will be hiding the shift in beliefs that led this evil prick to became a mass murderer.
    
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    August 2, 2024 11:49am
Maggie Pie

The ‘Olympics’ used to be inspirational for people once upon a time.
My partner was wondering how many unemployed lefties will be inspired
to get their lazy asses out of bed today and beat the sh*t out of their wives?
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August 2, 2024 11:11am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Women’s Sports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEFwVoiIL1U
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August 2, 2024 12:06pm
mandk

Conditions for athletes in the Olympic Village seem pretty dreadful – no cooling in bedrooms, theft of property and enforced food restrictions: https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/athletes-raise-even-more-concerns-about-the-olympic-village/ss-BB1r24OS?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=5d9dd15ea764474f9b2418b7de4d7757&ei=39#image=10
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August 2, 2024 12:08pm
- Inandout
  
  man, first world discomforts compared with this.
  https://www.history.com/topics/1970s/munich-massacre-olympics
  
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  August 2, 2024 12:45pm
Damocles11

Saw a copy of the marxist Herald at the cafe today. Hard on the heels of the fantastic ACT MP Karen Chhour breaking down in tears over the constant bullying treatment she is undergoing at the hands of the Leftist parties, the cartoon from the far left Emmerson is of speaker Brownlee poised with a fly swat while ‘resident blowfly’ David Seymour (drawn as a blowfly in ACT colours) hovers about him.

Congratulations Herald subscribers and advertisers, your ongoing obstinate willingness to fund this sick garbage is really paying dividends. Emmerson thanks you for paying his salary.
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August 2, 2024 12:17pm
- Paulus
  
  Which is why we cancelled the Herald some years ago but are now saddled with its baby the Bay of Plenty Times, which mainly just takes bits from the Herald, and any local heart piece it can find.
  It appears to be going broke quite fast but is still publishing via New Zealand on Air (us taxpayers)
  I thought this was ending !.
  BUT my wife insists that she do the daily cryptic crosswords and after 60 years of marriage I still pay very reluctantly for the paper 5 days a week.
  
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  August 2, 2024 2:09pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Sorry to hear that. Maybe get her a crossword book? Buying that garbage rag is just transmitting a signal to NZME that the editorial direction is fine.
    
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    August 2, 2024 3:08pm
Swifty

“When you’re so used to special treatment, equal treatment feels like discrimination.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350364885/ngapuhi-leaders-walk-out-meeting-luxon-protest
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August 2, 2024 12:31pm
Maggie Pie

THE WORST OLYMPICS IS HISTORY.

And for anyone who still thinks the Algerian boxer is a woman….

Watch @ 1:08sec….

https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1819023215609455052

(My partner always does exactly the same thing when he gets up off the couch)
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August 2, 2024 12:37pm
- greybeard
  
  And this:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350364555/australian-coach-says-chinese-swimmer-pan-zhanles-world-record-not-humanly-possible
  Many of us here will remember the USSR and East German “athletes” from the 1970s and 1980s.
  
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  August 2, 2024 12:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That sheila really is a bloke. Needed an adjustment.
  
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  August 2, 2024 12:57pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t know how old you are but if you think this the worst olympics ever, your history awareness is shocking.
  
  1904.. Olympics hijacked by Missouri and features a human zoo. Games take 5 months to finish.
  
  1936. The Hitler Olympics. Enough said.
  
  The 1972 Olympics. Many dead Israeli athletes.
  
  1976. Anti apartheid boycott. Montreal goes bankrupt.
  
  1980 olympics. Wrecked by usa boycott.
  
  1976, 1980, 1984 olympics rife with drug cheats.
  
  Think again.
  
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  August 2, 2024 1:02pm
  - Taieri
    
    1984 olympics rife with drug cheats
    ———-
    
    And boycotted by the Eastern Block countries.
    
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    August 2, 2024 1:36pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    https://youtu.be/HDRVzwNkV20?
    
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    August 2, 2024 1:39pm
  - MCōs
    
    Also at the 1976 Olympics Australia won no golds
    
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    August 2, 2024 1:51pm
- NothingLeft
  
  remember the east german women’s olympic team from Top Secret? https://preview.redd.it/the-movie-top-secret-1984-could-not-be-made-today-because-v0-ip7kvlg45rjb1.jpg
  
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  August 2, 2024 3:23pm
cmm

So we’re being warned that the gangs want to have a funeral procession to show their strength and to honour some criminal scum..

Bullshit I say. The public should not have to make any allowances for these people.

If the police allow these criminals to impede the flow of traffic or threaten decent people in any way then they are part of the problem.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gang-funeral-procession-from-north-shore-to-south-auckland-motorists-advised/DGYHTPZMRJFCHDQ3VS7F6WBKWA/
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August 2, 2024 12:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Google censoring Trump assassination attempt searches?
Google twist and distract? Never!!
Calls for Google to appear before Congress.

https://politicalactionalerts.com/google-faces-backlash-for-censoring-assassination-attempt-on-trump/?
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August 2, 2024 1:01pm
Damocles11

Ngapuhi have walked out of a meeting with our woke PM, ‘in protest at the coalitions Treaty policies’. Why was he meeting with a tribal elite? He has a Treaty Negotiations Minister to carry out Treaty negotiations. Luxon goes to meet with fellow ‘A listers’ and ‘stakeholders’ and in doing so naively hands the activists a golden opportunity to grandstand, which seems to be all they want to do. This will now be the lead political story on both One and Three tonight. If Luxon is not up to the job of PM, and the jury is now out, then I hope he gets rolled.
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August 2, 2024 1:24pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  What would be accomplished by rolling Luxon? He would almost certainly be replaced by Willis – a progressive and a feminist to boot. The problem isn’t Luxon, it’s the dominance of the liberal wing of the Nats.
  
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  August 2, 2024 5:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Luxon is a Maori activist.
  It is quite clear that he is.
  
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  August 2, 2024 6:29pm
sirknz

I see the voice actors are up in arms and striking over the fear of AI taking their livelihoods.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/artificial-intelligence-threatens-jobs-us-voice-and-video-game-actors-say/A2557IIFUZD7BO54QVILBLGZHM/

You know who doesn’t go on strike?
AI constructs…
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August 2, 2024 1:54pm
- greybeard
  
  Looks as though NZME is the very definition of Artificial Intelligence.
  
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  August 2, 2024 2:48pm
Jack5

Sunny Western Australia has so much solar generation of power that at times it threatens to overwhelm the power grid in the south-western corner of the state, where most people live.

The grid is isolated, so power can’t be passed on to neighbouring systems.

West Australia instead is developing huge battery systems. Both the state’s utility, Synergy, and a private venture have big projects on the way, and the states is also trying to encourage smaller community battery systems to store mid-day energy.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-02/demand-for-sunlight-storage-surges-amid-transition-to-solar/104170720

Meanwhile in Queensland, a push is on for subsidies for batteries for home solar generation systems:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-12/queensland-solar-battery-system-renewables-election/104084174
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August 2, 2024 2:15pm
- AitchW
  
  This sounds smart on the surface. I presume that the domestic owner will sell the power to the grid for a small return then buy it back at retail. Win/win I think. People will get into the habit of using power for thing like washing clothes and running dishwashers while the sun is shining so as not to pay for power at night.
  The power companies get to buy power without having the cost of generating it then selling it at night when there’s no sun.
  Is there a downside? I’m sure the usual suspects will howl that the big greedy power retailers are ripping off the consumer, I wonder if that would be borne out by facts?
  
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  August 2, 2024 2:37pm
  - Dougal10
    
    I wonder how much meridian are ripping out of the consumer, so they can pay ngi tahu shit loads of cash to grease the skids on their waitaki hydro consent renewals.
    
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    August 2, 2024 8:32pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I can’t help wondering if these places relying on massive batteries are one toxic battery fire away from large scale blackouts.
  I guess time will tell.
  
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  August 2, 2024 4:00pm
NothingLeft

Fascinating insight on how low-intelligence limits your understanding of the world: (Originally a sequence of posts on 4-chan, so edited for tone)

I did IQ research as a grad student, and it involved a lot of this stuff. Did you know that most people (95%+) with less than 90 IQ can’t understand conditional hypotheticals? For example:
“How would you have felt yesterday evening if you hadn’t eaten breakfast or lunch?”
“What do you mean? I did eat breakfast and lunch.”
“Yes, but if you had not, how would you have felt?”
“Why are you saying that I didn’t eat breakfast? I just told you that I did.”
“Imagine that you hadn’t eaten it, though. How would you have felt?”
“I don’t understand the question.”
It’s really fascinating. We did research on convicts in San Quentin. They’re absolute retards, at least 50% illiterate.

Other interesting phenomenon around IQ involves recursion. For example:
“Write a story with two named characters, each of whom have at least one line of dialogue.”
Most literate people can manage this, specially once you give them an example.
“Write a story with two named characters, each of whom have at least one line of dialogue. In this story, one of the characters must be describing a story with at least two named characters, each of whom have at least one line of dialogue.”
If you have less than 90 IQ, this second exercise is basically completely impossible. Add a third level (‘frame’) to the story, and even IQ 100’s start to get mixed up with the names and who’s talking.
Turns out Scheherazade was an IQ test!

We never did that, but time is practically impossible to understand for sub 80’s. They exist only in the present, can barely reflect on the past and can’t plan for the future at all.
Sub 90’s struggle with anachronism too. For example, I remember the 80-85’s stumbling on logic problems that involved common sense anachronism stuff.
For instance:
“Why do you think that military strategists in WWII didn’t use laptop computers to help develop their strategies?”
“I guess they didn’t want to get hacked by nazis?”
Admittedly you could argue that this is a history knowledge question, not quite a logic sequencing question, but you get the idea. Sequencing is super hard for them to track, but most 100+ have no problem with it, although I imagine that a movie like Memento strains them a little. Recursion was definitely the killer, though. Recursive thinking and recursive knowledge seems genuinely hard for people of even average intelligence (although at San Quentin there weren’t too many of those!)

On the last point, it’s the main reason why so many people with sub-90 IQ are sociopathic or psychopathic. They don’t have the mental computing power to model other people’s thoughts and feelings. I’ve seen it millions of times with convicts.
“How do you think that man felt when you beat him?”
“Dunno.”
“How do you think that boy’s mother felt when she heard that her son was dead?”
“Dunno.”
It comes across as psychopathic, but these people literally don’t have the brainpower to build even a crude model of someone else’s mind, let alone populate it with events that are in the past.
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August 2, 2024 2:32pm
Maggie Pie

OMG!

This only just popped up on my ‘RT News’ feed.
What the first thing you notice about this guy? 🙁

https://www.rt.com/news/601979-911-suspects-plea-deal/
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August 2, 2024 2:36pm
- greybeard
  
  Not very well groomed….?
  
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  August 2, 2024 2:49pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    That is code for hirsute.
    
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    August 2, 2024 3:25pm
surfing

Uhh, just tried to get Travis scott concert tickets for my son.

Was right on the dot at 3pm, 90th in queue … GA tickets sold out.

Tons already on trademe selling for profit!
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August 2, 2024 3:20pm
- greybeard
  
  It’s those Democrats again….
  
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  August 2, 2024 4:27pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

“I did not sign up to be the thought police,
in fact I became a police officer
to protect people’s inherent rights,
and this is deeply troubling”

– Senior NZ Police Officer
(in response to ‘hate speech and crime training’)
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August 2, 2024 3:27pm
- Damocles11
  
  The Free Speech Union reports that our woke Police force currently has 120 ‘Diversity Liaison Officers’. Police recently received training about how to deal with ‘hate speech’, with examples of purported hate speech including ‘there are only two genders’ and ‘Kiwi not Iwi’. The Free Speech Union is looking to meet with the Police Commissioner and is looking to take further action over what is transpiring.
  
  https://x.com/NZFreeSpeech/status/1818864061330886684
  
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  August 2, 2024 3:56pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, just signed the petition. This sounds remarkably like Cuddles Coster in action. So what’s our Police Minister Mitchell doing about it ?
    This type of stuff has gone crazy in the UK.
    
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    August 2, 2024 4:36pm
    - Damocles11
      
      It seems the government is abrogating its responsibilities in many areas and the slack is being taken up by organisations like the Taxpayers Union and the Free Speech Union. Incidentally, aside from the watered-down 3 Strikes legislation, where are the tougher sentencing parameters to deal with the criminal scum that are continuing to rampage throughout our country?
      
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      August 2, 2024 5:36pm
Steve Todd

Another great chat between Katty Kay and Anthony Scaramucci at The Rest is Politics US. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPmCWmj-ztI. They discuss The Don-old’s week from hell (starting at 4 mins), and the possibility that he might drop out of the race (19 mins) — basically, because he couldn’t cope with losing to Kamala. Also, because Trump’s three driving forces are money, attention, and avoiding jail.

They both now believe that Josh Shapiro is Kamala’s likely VP pick — The Mooch reckons he would bring a “waterfall” of Wall Street money to the campaign; not to mention Pennsylvania, of course.

Between 31 mins and 49 mins, they answer questions from viewers, which also elicits some interesting information.

Excellent alternative viewing that it wouldn’t hurt Kiwibloggers to check out, in the interests of balanced information.
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August 2, 2024 3:58pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Shapiro is probably too Pro Israel for the Progressive factions in the Democrats
  Have you noticed the rioting?
  Besides, he possibly would like to make his own run for President in 2028 without Biden’s (and Harris’s) baggage
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/07/24/josh-shapiro-kamala-harris-leading-vp-candidate-pro-israel/
  We will see
  
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  August 2, 2024 4:40pm
greybeard

NZTA and the numerous local councils in NZ are failing miserably in their mission to line every road and street with orange road cones.

Only today I drove down several of my local streets and there was not a road cone to be seen ! Traffic was flowing normally and smoothly, drivers were courteous, although cyclists as usual were happily riding two or three abreast in the main carriageway instead of in their designated lanes.

This is not good enough!
The controllers of road cones must be brought to account: NZ used to be the country known for its 60m sheep. No more.
We swapped sheep for road cones, but 60m is at present a distant target.
Come on NZTA ! Come on councils !
Use our taxes and rates to sustain those Cone Suppliers !
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August 2, 2024 4:26pm
Steve Todd

Oh, dear: crucial, alternative, viewing.

Check out the Chinese-Italian Francesca Fiorentini and the brilliant Cenk Uygur, at The Young Turks, discussing Trump’s disastrous appearance at the Black Journalists’ convention.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEHsZiVTM74. It’s only 22 hilarious minutes. Just for fun, I especially refer you to comments starting at 17:40 – classic Donny.
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August 2, 2024 5:12pm
- All_on_Red
  
  [Mod – stop with the personal abuse. After relooking at your comment your account will be unlocked on sunday]
  
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  August 2, 2024 5:48pm
  - Mike
    
    Never thought that would happen.
    
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    August 2, 2024 7:22pm
    - Jack5
      
      Racially, Kamala Harris has the racial field covered: Indian Tamil, West Indian African slave, and white slave owner!
      
      Add to the mix, anti-Black racism in India (link below).
      
      Kamala Devi Harris’s mother, Shyamala Gopalan, was an Indian Tamil, born in India when it was a British colony.
      
      Harris’s father, Donald, was from Jamaica. Reported at a genealogy site: “Recalling the lives of his grandmothers, Donald Harris wrote that one was related to a plantation owner while the other had unknown ancestry.
      
      Plantation owner? Kamala Harris seems thus to be descended from a slave owner, and likely also from an African slave in the West Indies.
      
      The genealogy site (link below) adds that due to the history of slavery in Jamaica, Donald Harris may indeed be also be of African descent.
      
      Both Kamala Harris’s parents were academics.
      
      Anti-Black racism in India:
      
      https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2016/6/26/being-african-in-india-we-are-seen-as-demons
      
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      August 2, 2024 9:16pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350365493/ngapuhi-walks-out-hui-pm-plans-protest-parliament
Ngapuhi: translation: “Thick as two planks”.
Why do they keep on resisting and protesting and denying ?
If there was any group of people who identify as “maori” in NZ who would benefit most from the immediate injection of Waitangi Settlement funds it is them.
But for some reason they constantly allow their “spokespeople” to fuck up their negotiations.
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August 2, 2024 5:23pm
- gorse
  
  The Government needs to carry on without their input. They have just announced they won’t be discussing it.
  
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  August 2, 2024 5:28pm
- Damocles11
  
  I’m sick of the PM grovelling in front of tribal elites. He has designated ministers to deal with Maori affairs, yet he continues to show up for ritual humiliation, handing the MSM a golden opportunity to make hay out of this latest incident. Maori get amazing special treatment, including seemingly incredible access to the PM which the rest of us would never be afforded.
  
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  August 2, 2024 5:39pm
- fernglas
  
  From the same article:
  “Te Rūnanga o Ngāti Whātua also launched legal action this week, at the High Court, challenging the Government’s intention to change the Marine and Coastal Area Act, which would make it harder to argue for customary marine title. ”
  So they are going to the High Court to ask it to prevent Parliament from legislating? Perhaps some education on the “rights and privileges” of citizenship, including the respective roles of Parliament and the Courts, is needed. Or do those things only apply when it suits? As seems to be the case with justice and democracy?
  
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  August 2, 2024 5:44pm
  - AitchW
    
    Ngapuhi are their own worst enemy. They revel in their reputation as the most warlike of the tribes earnt as a result of their regular raids into Auckland to rape and pillage.
    They can’t even settle on who is going to negotiate treaty settlements on heir behalf because of local egos, negotiations have taken many years longer than they should.
    They feel that the world owes them a living, their tribal elite drive round in expensive 4wds while their own people can’t get off the couch due to dope, p and government welfare.
    Northland should be an economic powerhouse due to its pristine coastline, benign climate and outstanding natural beauty. Tourists should be able to visit without fear of being robbed or worse.
    The tribal leaders need to take a long, long hard look at themselves.
    
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    August 2, 2024 6:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Some people are doing very nicely by ensuring that certain areas of Northland remain impoverished and folks therein rely on booze and drugs for their “recreation”.
  
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  August 2, 2024 5:49pm
Swifty

The US boxing team is adapting to the new Olympic Boxing rules I see:

https://www.facebook.com/share/rDeUyPYPqeaPEuhj/?mibextid=WC7FNe
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August 2, 2024 6:04pm
- Fender
  
  this morning I agreed but its sounding more like italian whinging now Khelif beaten by 9 other women? doesn’t sound all so scary and unfair now https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/boxing-news/paris-olympics-imane-khelif-angela-carini-boxing-743747-20240801
  
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  August 2, 2024 8:37pm
Maggie Pie

Been doing the dishs after our Thai takaways and got tinking to myself how quiet
Pope Francis has been about the Last Super in Paris and the pendig war in Israel.

Just saying.
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August 2, 2024 7:24pm
- Mike
  
  Never mind when he speaks, concentrate on his words. You are bound to follow the teachings of Christ’s representative on Earth. Unless you are just a cafeteria Catholic.
  
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