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Scott

I’m pleased to see that the Local government ammendment bill has been passed. This means that referendums have been restored for citizens to decide whether they actually want a Maori ward.

The previous government abolished the referendums in their scheme to lift up all things Maori and give Maori more rights than everybody else. Act has driven this new legislation and should be commended for it. However I note that Chris Luxon has allowed this to happen.

So Maori wards will be voted on at the local body elections next year. 3 waters has gone, Maori health authority has gone, Maori wards are likely to go.

Our country is being improved step by step. One nation with the same rights and responsibilities for all.
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July 31, 2024 8:02am
- rouppe
  
  Not all good news.
  
  The existing Maori wards will remain until the next election.
  
  Assuming the referendum on the ward says no, the existing Maori ward will remain until the end of that NEXT term.
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:14am
- pdm
  
  Scott I received an email from PM Luxon overnight touting the tax cuts.
  
  I have replied saying the next important legislation is the Treaty Principles Bill which he and NZFirst should support through the entire Parliamentary process.
  
  In fact I pointed out this is probably the most important legislation in this Parliamentary term.
  
  I am not expecting a positive answer.
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Perhaps you should send that to Peter’s, becaNZF are bitterly opposed to the treaty principles bill.
    
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    July 31, 2024 8:31am
    - David Garrett
      
      G: No apostrophe in PETERS mate, at least not in that context, where you are referring to a Mr Peters, not something a chap called Peter owns – e.g. “I borrowed Peter’s coat because mine was covered in mud”
      
      Remember the Garrett rule re the apostrophe: “When in doubt, leave it out”
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:38am
      - cmm
        
        DG: That was only the partial lesson.
        
        If you borrowed Winston Peters’ coat or Charles’ coat the apostrophe would go at the end.
        
        I expect that “the cat licked it’s coat” would have you reaching for your pill’s.
        
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        July 31, 2024 9:59am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Predictive texting
        
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        July 31, 2024 10:17am
      - Don Beckett
        
        That’s why you should proof red your comment before hitting “post comment”.
        But obviously you never do.
        
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        July 31, 2024 12:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        He could always proof blue it, or yellow it, not sure many here care enough about labour to use red
        
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        July 31, 2024 12:28pm
      - Mike
        
        Another caught by Muphry’s Law!
        
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        July 31, 2024 2:02pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Don Beckett
      
      Perhaps worry about your proof reading. You wrote that’s why you “ should proof red”
      
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      July 31, 2024 12:16pm
      - Biscuit
        
        I chuckled when I read the ‘red’ comment too.
        
        But I would never be critical.
        
        My un-thin typing fingers are famed for their ability to garble words – and for to me to be embarrassed when, usually shortly after I hit ENTER, I find that they’ve been at it again on my behalf.
        
        Anyways, the important thing is CONTEXT, right?
        
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        July 31, 2024 1:28pm
      - Mike
        
        Typoglycemia:
        Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
        
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        July 31, 2024 2:04pm
      - fernglas
        
        There’s no “e” in “iprmoetnt”
        
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        July 31, 2024 4:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    For Luxon and of course National to not support the Treaty Principles Bill beyond the first reading is un-democratic. We have a Democratic system, why is activist Chris Luxon against it?
    
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    July 31, 2024 8:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Tell that to Peter’s, they are totally opposed as well
      
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      July 31, 2024 8:57am
      - David Garrett
        
        Again…
        
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        July 31, 2024 9:39am
    - Simon
      
      “We have a Democratic system, why is activist Chris Luxon against it?”
      
      Because NZ has the uniparty. (hence for eg the chicken shit tax cuts) National / Labo virtually the same. Voted for it? Lol – the Uniparty spits on your vote.
      
      Its 2024 and people go on about votes.
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:05am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Why is NZF against it? If NZF vote against it is not going to matter anyway
        
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        July 31, 2024 10:19am
    - leoj
      
      What is the point of allowing the bill to go to the first reading? If maori activist Luxon is not interested in the bill, he should declare that it not even get a first reading.
      
      The man is being totally disingenuous.
      
      But then, I am also not surprised. He is so woke and weak that he is afraid to be called racist if he were to support such a bill.
      
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      July 31, 2024 1:58pm
  - rouppe
    
    You’re expecting an answer?
    
    I sent an email to Shane Reti asking when the radiology referral direct from GP was taking effect. Nothing. Been a month
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:13am
    - Close Hen Counters
      
      Months ago I wrote to Dr Reti foretelling the terribleness of medicine in our metropolitan hospitals in NZ with great solutions/preventive strategies and he never replied let alone acknowledged my email – all of which has come to fruition and the country is fucked
      
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      July 31, 2024 1:38pm
      - PurplePen
        
        Odd that you didn’t even get an acknowledgement. He must have incompetent staff in his office. Most other MPs reply if not via the respective ministerials unit then at least an acknowledgement from one of their staff.
        
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        July 31, 2024 3:04pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Let’s not forget Luxon stated all the way through the election campaign and before. One vote for all, this was directed at democracy in the Māori ward bullshittery, Luxon has not kind of switched on to this.
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:19am
  - MCōs
    
    The Māori wards don’t give anyone an extra vote.
    Māori voters on the Māori roll would vote for a Māori ward councillor instead of a general ward councillor.
    What I want to know is why we are not having referendums on the whole ward systems?
    As it stands I only have a vote for who represents this area around here and it was a fait accompli with the two Labour candidates winning by a mile
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:51am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      There point is Māori have two branches of becoming a trougher, the common old general role, or they then get a second bite and can go in the Māori seat, the two vote thing was a figure of speech, but right from the beginning before act or the campaign began Nats were saying there would be no Māori seats that were simply invented by councils
      
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      July 31, 2024 10:23am
      - pdm
        
        The former Wellington Mayor, NZFirst MP Foster summed the problem up very well a couple of times during debates on the Bill
        It is all to do with numbers on rolls but I cannot explain it as well as he did
        
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        July 31, 2024 2:32pm
      - PurplePen
        
        I think it has to do with number of electors per councillor as pdm says. Its feasible that there might only be 5 people on the maori roll for the maori ward and they would then have a councillor at the table whereas everyone else might be one of 30,000 for each ward councillor that gets elected. Hardly fair.
        
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        July 31, 2024 3:07pm
- artemisia
  
  There is a long wiki on Maori wards, including status of councils, local and regional.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_wards_and_constituencies
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:20am
- Inandout
  
  Scott, there is now more Maori heard and seen than has ever been the case. Signs still appear with Maori in bold letters and English squeezed in small writing. The te reo greetings appear in most emails from power, internet providers, lawyers and banks. The one exception is IRD because confusion must not enter your tax business.
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:24am
  - Taieri
    
    The one exception is IRD
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    Strangely enough the IRD letters addressed to me still start with “Mr.” rather than just with my first name. How passe…
    
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    July 31, 2024 1:22pm
  - PurplePen
    
    And yet despite all that, very few maori are themselves interested in all the te reo in media, according to the survey results published on here recently. It’s also way down their list of what’s important or of interest in media.
    
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    July 31, 2024 3:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Chris Luxon has allowed this to happen? I thought activist Chris Luxon would have been against it. Wonder how he voted.
  3 waters has gone (repealed they say) only to be replaced with Te Mana O Te Wai.
  Maori Health had to go. Call it what you want but it was nothing short of racist.
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:37am
- Paulus
  
  Yes, very good but Labour and TPM will change it back !
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Do you think people will vote for nut bars to go with labour? I doubt very much if people want greens and TPM as activist cabinet ministers.
    
    Labour are hamstrung by their dying performances, Hipkins will be seething at having the dori party tied around their necks
    
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    July 31, 2024 10:26am
- Grunter
  
  Scott – good progress I agree, but so far just scratching the surface on righting NZ’s messed up race relations.
  
  Until we get all racist laws abolished, including idiotic fables such as Te Mana O Te Wai, then the country still has a significant problem.
  
  I note that Luxon is still saying they won’t back Seymour’s Treaty Bill despite the details not yet being released. (So he disagrees with something that he has yet to see the details – what a Dickhead!)
  
  Maybe Seymour will turn them around – lets hope so for the future of NZ. If the Treaty Gravey Train continues we will not succeed as a country.
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:46am
  - Skippytony
    
    The only thing that will turn Luxon and Peters around on this issue is enough noise from the punters.
    I intend personally to make it very clear to my local party infrastructure that if they do not get out of the way on this they have turned me into an ACT voter – something I have never previously contemplated.
    
    Their choice….
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:12am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    NZF will not be supporting the bill either, it was always dead in the water
    
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    July 31, 2024 10:27am
    - Grunter
      
      Only because a big chunk of NZ voters (just like you G) voted for the Labour Lite Party!
      
      That’s democracy voting against democracy!
      
      Crazy messed up NZ.
      
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      July 31, 2024 10:41am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Worry about your own voting, I will never vote for a party they will never be a majority party, so sick of you Act lot spouting so much bullshit
        
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        July 31, 2024 12:19pm
      - Grunter
        
        [Mod – debate without making it personal]
        
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        July 31, 2024 1:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Some of those racist Laws you mention are racist Lores.
    Witchcraft? Voodoo? Superstition?
    
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    July 31, 2024 10:49am
- Dave
  
  3 waters has gone… but not te mana o te wai, I believe, yet this is where unaccountable, undemocratic power to impose huge, superstition-driven costs remains, though under review. That needs to be scrapped immediately.
  
  Edit: I see Grunter has made the same point.
  
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  July 31, 2024 9:05am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    ” Te mana o te Wai” is too complex for most to understand. It would be helpful to see some practical examples in action.
    
    I know I have said this before… Regulating water quality is a task performed by regulators in every developed country. At some point the clever folk at the OECD would have figured out who does it well. So find out and replicate it in New Zealand. Basing water regulation on dozens of bespoke Maori belief systems about water seems, well crazy, there is no polite way to put it. Indeed if someone had suggested this even 10 years ago, they would have been dismissed out of hand.
    
    This is what scares me about te ao Maori and associated “Maori Science”. It is the mission creep. How long before Air New Zealand pilots and surgeons are required to apply a “Maori world view”? Are you really going to tell me that could never happen?
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The rubbish about not having one body of water flow into another is mind boggling.
      It happens naturally. eg the Waipa river flows into the Waikato river at Ngaruawahia.
      
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      July 31, 2024 10:54am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I don’t think that the local Iwi is proposing that we stop the Waipa river flows into the Waikato river .
        
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        July 31, 2024 11:02am
      - alphabeatrium
        
        Perhaps a better example would be all the rivers flowing into the sea…
        
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        July 31, 2024 4:40pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s an improvement on the status quo, but if you don’t believe in race-based classifications, why would you pass a law saying they are fine as long as more than 50% of voters choose to have them.
  
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  July 31, 2024 10:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Because it is the people deciding, not ass lickers
    
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    July 31, 2024 10:29am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      We don’t have a written constitution like the US, but treating people differently based on race is something that should not happen even if a majority want it.
      
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      July 31, 2024 11:45am
- Unity
  
  I understand Co-Governance is going to stay but under a different name. Tama Potaka is Christopher Luxon’s ‘adviser’ and is known as an Activist. So I sincerely hope that Luxon doesn’t do it otherwise National will be a one term Government for sure!!
  
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  July 31, 2024 2:59pm
Tony Stuart

The Black Ferns came forth and conquered but the Australians just came fourth.

I’ll let myself out…
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July 31, 2024 8:05am
- pdm
  
  Always good to see your, nowadays infrequent, contributions Inv.
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:11am
- Blog-aholic
  
  If that you Mr. Gregan?
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:46am
  - Jethrod
    
    Fffffooooooouuuuuuurrrrrr mmmooorrreeee yyeeeaaarrrssss!
    
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    July 31, 2024 1:00pm
Yvette

Wai te Mana o te Wai?

A few days ago, the research team at the Taxpayers’ Union were sent the details on how the rules are playing it out in …Otago.
… under the council’s definition of Te Mana o Te Wai, water from one river can’t mix with water from another. – Peter Williams [1]

Council is committed to providing cost effective, high quality and reliable water supply to the residents of Upper Hutt, as well as working with our community to reduce the volume of water that is used.
Our water comes from three sources; the Hutt River, the combined flow of the Wainuiomata and Orongorongo rivers, and the Waiwhetu Aquifer–a natural underground reservoir that’s fed by river-water filtered through the ground. [2]

How many million – yea, billions? – could this add to already screwed Wellington water users and ratepayers

If David Seymour added to his yet unseen constitutional rights and responsibilities legislation, just six words –
■ NEW ZEALAND GOVERNMENT SHALL BE SECULAR
– it would knock all this stuff on the head – or blow it out of the water!

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[1] https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/peter-willliams-the-costs-of-te-mana-o-te-wai-are-worse-than-we-thought
[2] https://www.upperhuttcity.com/Services/Water/How-does-our-water-network-work#:~:text=Our%20water%20comes%20from%20three,is%20managed%20by%20Wellington%20Water
graphic – Greater Wellington Region water supply network (Source: Water Supply Annual Report 2010. Greater Wellington Regional Council).
https://niwa.co.nz/helping-your-business-or-organisation-plan-climate-change-adaptation/urban-infrastructure-and-built-environment-toolbox/case-studies/potable-water-supply-and-demand-modelling-wellington
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July 31, 2024 8:06am
- Yvette
  
  Tukoroirangi Morgan: We will mobilise against ‘racist’ policies of incoming Government
  The Waitangi Tribunal has already ruled iwi have a proprietary interests in water which is a discussion we are very keen enter into.
  In our minds we have reached a compromise and walked back ownership to allow our Treaty partners to be involved providing guidance in this space.
  Any threat that seeks to diminish our involvement in water will be met with serious challenge.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/tukoroirangi-morgan-we-will-mobilise-against-racist-policies-of-incoming-government/2O3YYWKSQBBNLMUVN5H2V3FPRY/
  
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  July 31, 2024 9:16am
Matt Long

Remember that time time Air New Zealand said they were going to cut emissions and save us from climate catastrophe?
That was great, man.
Yeah, they’ve changed their mind now, cook on suckers.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/523578/air-new-zealand-pulls-the-plug-on-2030-climate-targets
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July 31, 2024 8:07am
- Paulus
  
  Aviation Technology has changed the whole picture and will c0ntinue to do so !
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:40am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Apparently Air NZ is the first airline to abandon their idiotic climate targets.
  NZ leading the world once again!
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:40am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    On a related issue, I heard the head of the climate change commission on the radio this morning. Apparently in the last few years, New Zealand emissions have marginally declined. However this decline was due to “factors outside government control”. I’m guessing factors like cars becoming more fuel efficient.
    
    As for Air New Zealand, they deserve points for abandoning their emissions target now rather than lying 🤥 for another few years, which is effectively what the New Zealand government is doing.
    
    Yes, small electric powered airplanes are a reality.
    
    https://www.diamondaircraft.com/en/service/electric-aircraft/
    
    However we are not going to see electric airplanes carrying hundreds of people for thousands of kilometres.
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:00am
    - pdm
      
      BY – maybe less cars on the road due to the recession and fuel prices.
      
      Very noticeable in Hastings which is where we mainly drive these days but also noticed on recent trips to Taupo and Palmerston North.
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:08am
    - Grunter
      
      Just to clarify, “electric powered” doesn’t mean zero emissions.
      – mining rare earths
      – mining iron ore
      – manufacturing electric planes
      – mining coal
      – burning coal to generate electricity
      These are all carbon-emitting activities.
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:13am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Not to mention the whole thing is a colossal and extremely dangerous fool’s errand.
        
        Numerous top level physicists (including Nobel Laureate John F. Clauser) have independently calculated the ECS at around 1C or less. That means that with each DOUBLING of the amount of Co2 in the atmosphere there will be around 1C or less of increased average global temperature. Bottom line is that means Co2 doesn’t drive the climate to any significant degree and wasting precious trillions of dollars trying to change the climate by reducing HUMAN Co2 emissions is pointless and dangerous to human flourishing (especially so to the poor and developing nations). I’d say a lot of career climate grifters know this and are engaged in closing their eyes to the suffering these policies will inflict on the the poor so they can have a shiny job for life pushing this shit. As one climate alarm sceptic recently observed, a lot of alarmist propaganda starts with a fact but then a lot of twisting goes forth from there.
        
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        July 31, 2024 10:43pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      An electric plane seating 300 people can possibly be made. The problem will be THE COST.
      Just like there are super dooper efficient solar panels. They are used on satellites. They cost millions of dollars to make.
      
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      July 31, 2024 10:52pm
- Debsta
  
  Good to see a bit of common sense prevail
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wow! Common sense taking it’s natural course. More please. This 2030 rubbish has to go. Climate Change is a bigger hoax than Covid.
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:44am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Common sense, Economics and Reality.
    
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    July 31, 2024 8:47am
- Grunter
  
  The scam is being revealed slowly but surely!
  
  Air NZ only announced their hair-brain scam 18 months ago.
  
  Maybe they should also publically admit that only about 7% of their customers are woke enough to pay for ‘carbon off sets’ when they book a flight online.
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:50am
  - greybeard
    
    As I understand it, this scheme is purely voluntary, and unfortunately supported by the UN ( which ensures its failure ).
    Good on AirNZ for getting out.
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:56am
  - Mummy
    
    I’m doing a Garrett here but it’s hare-brained.
    
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    July 31, 2024 12:08pm
- David Garrett
  
  Matt: Mr Foran piously announces that: “Our work to transition away from fossil fuels continues..”
  
  I am eagerly waiting to see trials of an electric plane or planes that can carry 10 let alone 200 people. I suspect it will be a very long wait – mind you, I didn’t think any kind of passenger carrying electric plane was possible given the current state of battery technology, and apparently there is one – which can carry perhaps two people.
  
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  July 31, 2024 9:04am
  - pdm
    
    All of those extension cords replacing vapour trails in the sky DG will be a sight to behold.
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:11am
    - David Garrett
      
      pdm: Yes…Bene Yu has helpfully linked to a company which has an electric plane which can carry two…As Bene had already noted, I can’t see one which carries 200 people arriving any time soon. And electric planes will always be propellor driven, and thus slow – until someone comes up with a jet engine which runs on electricity.
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:17am
      - bartman
        
        There is a nuclear powered jet engine – comes with spicy contrails but heck it’s powerful!
        
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        July 31, 2024 9:34am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “…. an electric plane which can carry two….”
        
        Oh no David 😂
        
        “…. an electric plane THAT can carry two….”
        
        https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/when-to-use-that-and-which
        
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        July 31, 2024 9:59am
      - David Garrett
        
        Bene: American English mate…not relevant. As WSC famously said “Two people separated by a common language”.
        
        Their usage is very different from ours: for example “mometarily” means FOR a moment in English English e.g. ” He was only allowed to hold the cup momentarily”
        
        In American, it means IN a moment, as in “I am expect Doris to arrive momentarily”.
        
        They also have fingernails-on-a-blackboard usages such as “He got off OF the horse he had ridden all day” and “My Mom is coming to visit WITH me tomorrow”
        
        There are hundreds of similar examples.
        
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        July 31, 2024 10:16am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        David – my chiding you your incorrect use of the determiner “which” does not rely on American English rules. My “Fowler’s Dictionary of Modern English Usage” provides the same guidance. It has been published by Oxford University Press since 1926. 🙂
        
        I am also supported by the Cambridge Dictionary. 🙂
        
        https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/relative-clauses_2
        
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        July 31, 2024 10:30am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It seems to be a matter of style nowadays whether to use which or that in restrictive/defining clauses.
        
        D.G. could just as well have written…
        
        Bene Yu has helpfully linked to a company that has an electric plane that can carry two
        
        Both clauses are defining… aka restricted.
        
        either pronoun, which or that, can be used in this case.
        
        Which must be used for a non restrictive/non-defining/ commenting clause….and should be offset with a pair of commas. (but who does, these days?)
        
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        July 31, 2024 1:11pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The correct form is..
        
        “Bene Yu has helpfully linked to a company THAT has an electric plane WHICH can carry two..”
        
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        July 31, 2024 5:11pm
      - Dave
        
        For MW @ 1.11.
        
        …but who does these days?
        
        I do.
        
        Back in ancient days when I taught English, I used these examples such as these for illustration.
        
        1)My wife, who was born in Wellington, does not love me.
        
        does not mean the same as
        
        2)My wife who was born in Wellington does not love me.
        
        Were I back in the classroom these days, I suspect such distinctions would be very low in my list of priorities when teaching clarity in written expression, but I still use these distinctions in my own writing.
        
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        July 31, 2024 7:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Hahahaha…
        
        as long as your Eketahuna-born wife still loves you…
        
        (one benefit of having multiple wives)
        
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        July 31, 2024 8:02pm
  - Grunter
    
    Electric powered = carbon-emitting. See my comment above.
    
    So that is not a solution to “Global Boling – we are all going to die” hysteria.
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:15am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Well not really. Electric motors are vastly more efficient than a jet engine. Hypothetically, if technology allowed a plane powered by electric propulsion, it would produce far fewer life cycle emissions, no matter how the electricity were generated.
      
      In any case, it is irrelevant. Electric powered high capacity long haul planes are not happening in the foreseeable future.
      
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      July 31, 2024 10:41am
      - Taieri
        
        Electric motors are vastly more efficient than a jet engine.
        ———
        
        They are. The only catch is the power density of the power sources required for each of them.
        
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        July 31, 2024 1:27pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Don’t celebrate too soon. From the article:
  
  “Air New Zealand chair Dame Therese Walsh said the airline remained committed to reaching its 2050 net zero carbon emissions target.”
  
  You might say that this is just a hypocrite kicking the can down the road. I couldn’t possibly comment.
  
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  July 31, 2024 2:49pm
artemisia

So Wellington City Council CEO has announced she is not standing for an extension to her term that ends March 2025. Lovely words of praise from Mayor Tory Whanau.

No mention of her protocols around information sharing with councillors and what they were not allowed to know. No prior consultation with councillors. Official information requests had to be made and the Ombudsman requested to review. That’s not a good look. It got worse.

“McKerrow has frequently cited the information watchdog’s support for the protocols, in correspondence with councillors and The Post.”

Then the Ombudsman had this to say :
However, on Thursday evening Boshier stressed he did not endorse the code — and had written to the council to outline his position.“I have told the council that I have not given my endorsement of the protocol. However, I did provide comments on elements of the draft for the council to consider after receiving a request for advice from the chief executive,” he said in a pro-actively emailed statement.

There should also be some reporting of Ms McKerrow’s oversight of some major cost blowouts. But no, officially crickets.

https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350318165/chief-ombudsman-doesnt-endorse-councils-controversial-information-sharing-code
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July 31, 2024 8:07am
- Gravelroad
  
  Mayor Whanau has to be protected and nurtured by the Council CEO.
  It was claimed on Wellington newstalkzb a few weeks ago that Ms Whanau relies on the CEO to tell her approximately what she she needs to know and provides information about issues in docs – of five pages max.
  Doesn’t like reading long stuff – cause tiring.
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:32am
  - pdm
    
    Gravel – all of this must be completed between 9am and 2pm because Mayor Whanau needs her afternoon nap then apparently.
    
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    July 31, 2024 8:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Is that what is is called now, a ‘nap?’
      I thought it was called “drinkies time.”
      
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      July 31, 2024 8:48am
      - pdm
        
        SO – I thought she had `signed the pledge’.
        
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        July 31, 2024 9:12am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        She has said she has quit drinking.
        
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        July 31, 2024 10:44am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If Tory has chucked it in then good on her.
        I would like to see her liquor cabinet.
        
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        July 31, 2024 10:58am
  - peterwn
    
    That is a fair expectation by anyone in a governance role. High Court judges often say to lawyers submissions on costs to be limited to 3 pages or so otherwise they would be deluged with waffle.
    
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    July 31, 2024 8:45am
    - David Garrett
      
      Peter: Yes indeed…limits on the number of pages of submissions are possibly the best thing judges have done since they did away with wigs and gowns.
      
      Here in Tonga, those of us with “proper” degrees still have to wear the full mocka: wigs, gowns and bands – but if we wear the Tongan skirt instead of trousers, jandals are permitted! The former president of the Law Society kept a pair of black jandals just for court.
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:23am
      - David Garrett
        
        …and further, IIRC, in the American Supreme Court you have what seems like an incredibly short time to make oral submissions – 15 minutes or less I think.
        
        I believe they also have strict limits on the length of written subs – not sure how many pages max.
        
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        July 31, 2024 10:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    CEO probably tells Whanau what bus to catch.//
    
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    July 31, 2024 8:47am
    - RalphT
      
      And if she can’t I’d happily tell her where to go…
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:32am
  - Conservatarian
    
    If the page numbers get to double digits it gets very hard for socialists to do the numbers.
    
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    July 31, 2024 8:55am
  - NothingLeft
    
    What the hell is that child doing in a job that requires a grown up?
    
    NZ needs a mechanism for rapidly removing severely underperforming local body politicians aside from elections
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:00am
    - pdm
      
      Child NL?
      
      I can think of another word but, in an effort to be nice I will say incompetent.
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:13am
    - Burtland
      
      … removing severely underperforming ~~local body~~ politicians aside …
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:25am
    - imalwaysright
      
      We are supposed to look on with sympathy and unquestioning support as “wahine toa” strives valiantly to redeem herself and be an example to us all.
      That the city is being destroyed while she tiresomely endures her “personal journey” is secondary.
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:46am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Another rat leaving the sinking ship, following Chief Infrastructure Non Manager Siobhan Proctor.
  
  No doubt Barbara will bugger back to the UK with her pot of ratepayers’ money, leaving the city with nothing to show for her “efforts” but a mountain of debt.
  
  Thanks for nothing, Barbara.
  
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  July 31, 2024 11:55am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Lots and lots of sycophantic posts on LinkedIn extolling her virtues – mostly from subordinates.
    
    Well, to quote Christine Keeler, they would say that, wouldn’t they.
    
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    July 31, 2024 12:34pm
    - Sparrow
      
      It was Mandy Rice Davies not Keeler.
      
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      July 31, 2024 2:31pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        I’m sure Christine Keeler thought the same thing – Mandy just said it first!
        
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        July 31, 2024 7:38pm
Maggie Pie

What do you make of this?

‘NEW ZEALAND PANDEMIC PLAN’ – July 2024′

https://x.com/HopeRising19/status/1818195483732619589
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July 31, 2024 8:14am
- imalwaysright
  
  So a ministry of health employee can direct police officers to hold down a NZ citizen in order to inject them with a drug !
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:26am
  - Mr Nobody NZ
    
    What ever happen to the Lefts chant of “My body my choice”?
    
    Is that only acceptable these day if we’re wanting to murder babies?
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:42am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    These powers to mandate treatment using force have been in the equivalent Acts since the Health Act of 1920, and its replacement in 1956.
    
    https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1956/0065/latest/whole.html#DLM307211
    
    It was only COVID that made people aware of these powers. Before 2020, they were “out of sight out of mind”.
    
    Similiarly, people can be mediated by force if they are suffering from a severe mental illness and refuse to take medication voluntarily.
    
    Are you saying that compulsory medical treatment would never be justified? What if there was an anthrax outbreak, and an infected person refused to be treated? What would you do instead of using force to treat them?
    
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    July 31, 2024 11:00am
    - kowtow
      
      I prefer mediation to medication.
      
      (posted in the spirit of today’s multifulnerious outbreakocity of grammatical properness)
      
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      July 31, 2024 11:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Someone has got hold of Ardern’s “Mandates” notebook.
  There’s a bird with the flu somewhere.
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    What do you think it means… “Require people to be disenfected” 🙁
    
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    July 31, 2024 8:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      In the US they are desperately trying to get the bird flu thing off the ground.
      People are wiser now after the Covid con. They will simply not comply with mandates., or things like vaccinations.
      
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      July 31, 2024 11:03am
- G152
  
  More like NEW ZEALAND PANDEMONIC PLAN….
  
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  July 31, 2024 8:53am
- Grunter
  
  Here is the full PDF report (219 pages…!!)
  https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/interim_nz_pandemic_plan_v2.pdf
  
  A quick 5 minute scan and it reads like a totalitarian guide to the galaxy!
  
  Here’s a ‘taster’ from Page 69-70…!!
  
  – authorising special powers or infectious disease management powers under the
  Health Act 1956, authorising powers under other existing legislation (such as the
  Epidemic Preparedness Act 2006 or the Civil Defence Emergency Management Act
  2002) or creating new powers under bespoke legislation
  • putting in place event-specific legal orders/regulations for any mandatory
  requirements, including pre-departure testing; vaccination certificates; and systems
  for enforcement, infringement and exemptions
  • preparing for a possible release of a pre-pandemic vaccine, if available
  • preparing for a possible release of antivirals for use according to policy
  • developing and activating an appropriate vaccination strategy (including ordering
  vaccine supplies or making an advance purchase agreement)
  • activating an appropriate testing strategy
  • activating antiviral/therapeutic policies
  • briefing the Minister of Health and Cabinet on options for an elevated response in
  advance (eg, by limiting arrivals, managing visa applications, issuing a Notice to
  Airmen7 or implementing enhanced quarantine) and seeking agreement for prompt
  implementation
  • developing protocols for case investigation, contact tracing and case and contact
  management
  
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  July 31, 2024 9:04am
Scooter

The stabbing deaths of 3 children in Southport UK may prove to be a real turning point. For starters media should report facts without trying to gloss over the facts. The accused was widely described as a 17 yr old boy, he’s well past being a boy, at least a youth or as the BBC finally describes a 17 yr old male would be more apt. I wonder what media are trying to accomplish by sugar coating these murderers or their bacgrounds
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- MCōs
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Three little kids are killed and you want to use their deaths to push some sort of anti media agenda
  
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  July 31, 2024 9:23am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    There is a very real problem and the media is trying to cover it up. The problem can’t be fixed until it’s addressed and the media are trying to stop it from being addressed. Those kids can’t be saved because the “17 year old” (note that they say they’re 17 because it gets them better access to assistance – very few of them aren’t in their early 20s) murdered them. We should be focusing at least partially on how to stop the next murders from happening.
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:33am
    - Mr Nobody NZ
      
      Unfortunately this is a global problem and found frequently in NZ Media, just look at the two recent bus attacks on Asians in Auckland if you’re seeking examples.
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:44am
      - Scooter
        
        I still don’t understand where this lefty media worm virus came from. They are determined to protect the criminals, deflect and hold no one to account. Not only the media but the police and government.
        
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        July 31, 2024 10:18am
      - kowtow
        
        Scooter
        
        I see the scouser cops are quite prepared to use force against the protesters in this instance .
        
        In other cases , not so much . “Community” relations blah blah.
        
        But to your “turning point”. I don’t think so . There’ve been so many instances where one would thinkn that had come but think about how Labour , who will be soft on illegal immgration just won the GE there .
        
        Turkeys voting for Christmas .
        
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        July 31, 2024 12:00pm
  - David Garrett
    
    MCos: Ah, No…I see his comment as pushing an anti bullshit coverup agenda – in this case, as in many others, that the killer is a child born in England with Muslim parents – who may well be lovely people, and carefully selected 20 odd years ago.
    
    Coming to a kids’ holiday facility near you within the next 20 years – even if we stopped all Muslim immigration tomorrow, and that’s not going to happen
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:44am
    - Ghost
      
      And in this case it was a crime committed by a teenage boy. No need for a stupid post from the original poster attacking the media for calling him what he is, a boy. For goodness sake we are seeing the same damn thing here, teenage boys and teenage girls attacking each other, a boy killing another boy, a teenage girl stabbing another girl at school
      
      Let’s not fuck around with stupidity and whinging that this is a male or a youth. It’s a fucken kid, we have fucken kids attacking and killing each other and we need to work why and stop it, not have a whinge about the word boy used.
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:52am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        A feeling of alienation and a perceived lack of hope are usually large factors in screwing people up. Certain ideologies certainly don’t help either. Also the deep dark sewer of social media (or the wider internet beyond learning sites) are probably not good for the developing brain methinks.
        
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        July 31, 2024 11:01pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I think his parents are from Rwanda which is about 90% Christian and 3% Muslim.
      Then again, there doesn’t seem to be many prerequisites for people to do evil things these days.
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:59am
      - kowtow
        
        They’re not really ‘Christian’ there though .
        
        Quite happy to engage in the most appalling communal violence .
        
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        July 31, 2024 12:02pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Ali Al Shakati doesn’t sound like a Christian name that you’d expect to find in Rwanda. But what do I know.
        
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        July 31, 2024 2:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        This is not the name of the person arrested.
        
        In an email to Reuters and in a July 30 statement, opens new tab, a Merseyside Police spokesperson said: “A name has been shared on social media in connection with the suspect in the incident in Southport. This name is incorrect and we would urge people not to speculate on details of the incident while the investigation is ongoing.”
        
        The police spokesperson told Reuters that “Ali Al-Shakati” is the name referred to as being incorrect.
        
        Article
        
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        July 31, 2024 3:13pm
    - 3-coil
      
      DG: I see that the killer’s parents were refugees from Rwanda, but no mention of them being Muslim – has this been confirmed elsewhere?
      
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      July 31, 2024 9:59am
      - David Garrett
        
        3-Coil: If I am wrong, I stand corrected. But I stand by my point: it is the children of the “moderate” Muslim immigrants to all western European countries who are the real threat – not the immigrants themselves.
        
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        July 31, 2024 11:39am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Even *Katie Hopkins* confirmed this in my post below @9:10 am…
    
    https://channel3now.com/2024/07/29/17-year-old-ali-al-shakati-arrested-in-connection-with-the-stabbings-in-southport-england/
    
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    July 31, 2024 10:48am
- Scooter
  
  Mcos How about consider that the media are pushing some anti truth agenda?
  
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  July 31, 2024 9:39am
  - Ghost
    
    I’d suggest instead of inventing things to be outraged at you do what the police have asked
    
    police also urged people not to speculate on the details of the attack while the investigation continued and said that a name circulated by some users on social media was “incorrect.”
    
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    July 31, 2024 10:41am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Duckin Don.
Media hype again.
Trump will debate the Democrat Presidential Candidate when they are selected. Harris has not been selected, anything could happen. She probably will be selected but what is wrong with Trump doing exactly what he said he would do? If he did debate Harris now the media would be saying he is not debating a presidential candidate. Fuck! He can’t win against the fake news!
At the end of the day he is going to tear her to pieces. Wait for the ducking and diving from Harris then.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/harris-campaign-trolls-duckin-don-as-he-still-won-t-commit-to-debate-her/ar-BB1qU9v9?
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July 31, 2024 9:02am
- slightlyrighty
  
  It was odd that both presumptive candidates debated even before either party officially selected them.
  
  Harris will be more formidable in a debate than the last appearance from Biden. It remains to be seen how Trump responds.
  
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  July 31, 2024 10:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The first debate was before candidates were elected yes, but when the second debate date was made Trump knew it was after the Dem convention. It was then he said he will debate the Democrat Presidential candidate, knowing full well that Biden would probably have to throw in the towel, but Harris not necessarily the candidate. A few others want a go at it. Josh Shapiro?
    
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    July 31, 2024 11:29am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Here’s the latest from the abfab ‘Katie Hokins’……

her take on all things British (and French) 😀 😀 😀

https://x.com/KTHopkins/status/1818256119019512067
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July 31, 2024 9:10am
- imalwaysright
  
  Brian Macron !
  
  Manny and Brian has a certain ring to it.
  
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  July 31, 2024 10:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Brian! Well if Katie says it then it must be true.
  
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  July 31, 2024 11:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Harris is more intelligent than Trump. Really?
She is not a billionaire. She studied Law and became a prosecutor, then entered Politics – or something.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/poll-shows-americans-view-harris-as-more-intelligent-but-see-trump-as-the-better-leader/ar-BB1qTJIu?
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July 31, 2024 9:16am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And talking about intelligence, meet…. ‘The White Dudes for Kamala’
  
  People are saying they’d look better with their hoods on 😎
  
  https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1818126035574981057
  
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  July 31, 2024 9:23am
- MCōs
  
  Albert Einstein was fairly bright, but he wasn’t even a millionaire
  
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  July 31, 2024 9:32am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Kamala failed her first run at the bar.
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:34am
  - David Garrett
    
    MCos: Quite so…on on the flip side there are gardeners and postmen (do we still have postmen??) who are members of Mensa, the society for those who have genius IQ’s.
    
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    July 31, 2024 9:47am
    - MCōs
      
      Still have posties around here. Generally women so not really postmen
      I don’t know for how much longer. About the only stuff they deliver to my house is bank communications, which are hardly necessary and charity requests that I ignore.
      Health NZ use DX Mail
      
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      July 31, 2024 11:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Harris is as thick as two short planks.
    It is just the media telling us otherwise.
    
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    July 31, 2024 11:38am
    - MCōs
      
      You would say that
      
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      July 31, 2024 11:52am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        She is the smartest woman Joe knows.
        OK Hunter, second place now sonny.
        
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        July 31, 2024 6:49pm
- NothingLeft
  
  I highly doubt that. Kamala has not gotten to where she is due to her intellect. She’s been promoted and then elected on the basis of who she’s shagging and then ethnicity and gender all the way through.
  
  Trump has been moderately successful in very cut-throat industries beset by all sorts of very difficult management problems, and is clearly excellent at winning over crowds (even if his gauche ways make many of us cringe). He’s way smarter than Kamala.
  
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  July 31, 2024 11:15am
  - newview
    
    Agree NothingLeft, he is an astute business man but his empire was started with money inherited and loans from his father. He didn’t start with nothing.
    
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    July 31, 2024 11:30am
    - Mike
      
      His business career is littered with failures.
      
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      July 31, 2024 12:47pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        And yet after 50 years in the business, a life of conspicuous extravagance and several divorces he is still well above water financially. The strongest indicator of intelligence is adaptability and success in highly competitive fields.
        
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        July 31, 2024 2:25pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Waiting for an example Mike. A proven example.
        See you later unless you can come up with the goods! 🙂
        
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        July 31, 2024 6:51pm
      - Ghost
        
        For a trump fan Otto surely doesn’t know anything, let me help you Mike
        
        https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/all-of-donald-trump-s-businesses-that-failed/ar-BB1ntZby
        
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        July 31, 2024 6:55pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Trump’s father leant him $1.mil to get started, and he paid it back a few short years later.
    
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    July 31, 2024 12:17pm
    - Mike
      
      That’s a cheerfully enduring myth.
      
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      July 31, 2024 12:46pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      He got a lot more than that (something like $500million in 2024 terms from his dad), and an interesting analysis a few years back said that if he had just put all his seed money in an index tracking fund he would be more wealthy. Though that doesn’t account for myriad losses/expenses along the way,
      
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      July 31, 2024 2:28pm
- Drone
  
  You mean she didn’t inherit her money fromm daddy and then run ponzi schemes.
  
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  July 31, 2024 12:03pm
- Paulus
  
  It is well known in California that Kamala got to the front on her back !
  Now she is actually married to a Jewish man
  
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  July 31, 2024 4:00pm
TripeWryter

Would I be the only New Zealander who wishes that everybody who crosses Ricardo Menendez-March’s marching path says: ‘You’re not in Mexico now, hombre.’
How did this precious, thin-skinned, unxious little individual get into our Parliament?
And how was it racist?
I heard him on the radio at the weekend talking about ‘shitty’ jobs.
Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’ each of my children, now in their 40s, has a good job.
But the first step they took to get there, Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’, was to work a ‘shitty’ job.
As a 17 year-old my son went and worked for McDonald’s.
He says it taught him how to work. How to see business. How to treat customers. How to lead staff. As first jobs go it was the best, he said. ‘I learned so much.’
My elder daughter, Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’, started in a supermarket deli.
Her experience was akin to her brother’s, Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’. She managed shifts as a 7th-former.
She works for a large financial services company in Brisbane, Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’, running her own teams.
Many of her staff are Kiwis, Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’, who as poor but ambitious for something better Maori and Pacific Island kids started out in ‘shitty’ jobs.
My other daughter started as a checkout chick at 15. Within weeks she was in the office running the money supply.
‘Dad, I counted out $80,000 this afternoon,’ she told me breathlessly as I drove her home.
She is a manager, Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’, a leader.
She’s been leading people since she was 19. In one job her staff were mainly older than her mother and father; in one instance, one employee was older than her grandmother.
Not bad for kids from a solo parent state house, eh, Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’.
The thing is, Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’, you don’t sound real to me as an advocate for the poor, the needy, and the jobless.
You give me the impression, Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’, that you see us as a market to be mined for votes. It’s all political to you.
Like the rest of you Greens, not very sincere.
I sometimes watch you and listen to you as you try your best to sound earnest in Parliament, Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’.
I am frequently left wondering why you are in New Zealand, Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’, and why you’re not back in Mexico.
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July 31, 2024 9:19am
- Taieri
  
  I am frequently left wondering why you are in New Zealand, Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’, and why you’re not back in Mexico
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  May be the Mexican Green Party list is longer than the one in NZ?
  
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  July 31, 2024 9:54am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ricardo is not brave enough to take on the patriarchy in Mexico. It’s a shame, as his type of activism is bound to be welcomed there.
    
    As an aside, as a recent immigrant, Ricardo might not recognise the “You’re not in Guatemala any more, Dr Ropata” reference.
    
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    July 31, 2024 3:01pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  This is the same Ricardo ‘You’re not in Mexico now’ as the Ricardo, be gay do crimes?? Nuff said!
  
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  July 31, 2024 9:55am
- Maggie Pie
  
  That is sooo BRILLIANT, Tripe! I’m stealing it for FB.
  
  And talking of FB…. this post from Ricky of his maiden speech, 9 December, 2020
  
  “I want to acknowledge everybody who has ever had to lie to Work and Income to survive. In our Queer community there is a saying that I love. It goes….
  ‘Be gay, Do crime’ ”
  
  *Ricardo – ‘You’re not in Mexico now’
  
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  July 31, 2024 9:57am
  - TripeWryter
    
    Cheers, Maggie. You’re welcome.
    – TW
    
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    July 31, 2024 10:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  you don’t sound real to me as an advocate for the poor, the needy, and the jobless.
  
  How could he understand the poor or the needy?
  
  He had a privileged upbringing in a professional family and isn’t above demanding special privileges for himself and travelling companion.
  
  Like so many members of the NZ Green Party, he’s a privileged poseur.
  
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  July 31, 2024 10:15am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And another thing Maggz, did we ever get to the bottom of how he managed to get his Mex ‘companion’ into this country during Covid lockdown, while thousands of other genuine taxpaying New Zealand citizens were denied entry, some for months on end?
    
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    July 31, 2024 10:40am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      He got lucky….
      
      But National’s Covid-19 response spokesman Chris Bishop said it was “very clear” Menendez March’s case received special treatment because, of the more than 2000 applications, his was one of two that went to the head of MBIE.
      
      “That’s a double-standard I think most New Zealanders will find unacceptable.”
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/immigration-to-check-green-mp-ricardo-menendez-marchs-partners-visa/TVZQIEWBJNCBGGL2CRL25NDGYM/
      
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      July 31, 2024 11:21am
  - kowtow
    
    If I might be so bold , Bob Jones put it best calling him a “turd” .
    
    https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/12/14/a-horrible-green-party-little-turd/
    
    Well worth the couple of minutes read.
    
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    July 31, 2024 12:26pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Indeed, it is.
      
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      July 31, 2024 1:16pm
- mandk
  
  ” … you see us as a market to be mined for votes”
  
  That’s standard for left wing politicians.
  
  They keep people poor and dependent, so as to use them as vote fodder.
  
  Proof of this was Grant Robertson announcing after the delivered the 2022 budget that 80% of the population were deriving at least part of their income from the government.
  
  He said it with obvious pride, although it was in reality a matter of deep shame.
  
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  July 31, 2024 10:22am
- Libertarians are right
  
  There is real poverty in Mexico, it’s hard to control the victim narrative when the people really are victims. It’s much easier to control people that you convince are victims.
  
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  July 31, 2024 10:53am
  - TripeWryter
    
    I’ve been to Mexico.
    Being besieged by children – toddlers – with polystyrene begging cups almost broke me.
    At one stage I was quietly in tears because ‘how could that be?’
    
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    July 31, 2024 11:36am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      And the guy who “wants to make the world a better place” instead goes to a country with a high standard of living and almost zero real poverty and tries to create issues that need to be solved.
      It’s about power – that’s all it’s ever about with the far left.
      
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      July 31, 2024 12:49pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Mr Menendez-March ‘be gay, do crime” is just another Green Party politician: entitled, arrogant, ignorant, divisive and loving the attention here which he would never get in Mexico.
  That the Green Party continues to pick nonentity candidates whose aim is to show off and get personal attention makes them not fit to have any governance influence.
  
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  July 31, 2024 11:37am
  - Swifty
    
    I do see a number of parallels between some leftist NZ MPs and Anjem Choudary, very recently jailed for life in the UK.
    
    Firebrands stoking fear and division, religious fervour, believing their opponents are evil rather than just wrong, extremist policies and positions, working against the interests of the majority and revelling in the attention.
    
    Yep, it’s all there…..
    
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    July 31, 2024 3:22pm
- Paulus
  
  The Mexican is holding forth in the expectations that he will become one of the Leaders of the Marxist Greens soon.
  He like the publicity that the media give him.
  
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  July 31, 2024 4:02pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I wonder if the guy comes from a privileged family. Most of these vocal utopian lefties do.
  
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  July 31, 2024 11:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trash Bag.
A Balenciaga bag is the most expensive trash bag in the World.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/lara-trump-compares-harris-to-a-designer-trash-bag-and-rips-media-for-promoting-vp/ar-BB1qT8mp?
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July 31, 2024 9:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Impeach Harris for covering up Joe’s mental decline and her massive border control failure.

https://freedomeagledaily.com/realloadednews/republican-lawmakers-weigh-impeachment-of-harris-for-coverup/?
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July 31, 2024 9:38am
slightlyrighty

So we have republicans simultaneously stating that Biden cannot step down and saying he is unfit for office?

If the GOP want to get back into the White House, they need to get a co-ordinated message and stick to it.
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July 31, 2024 9:59am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Both are true.
  Democrat party members voted for Biden. He is their pick. It is undemocratic to take him off the ticket and replace him as the candidate. It should go to another vote.
  If he’s not fit to stand for election, he’s not fit to be President and they should evoke the 25th. They haven’t which means it’s political.
  
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  July 31, 2024 10:48am
  - Mike
    
    Your favored scenario denies any choice for Biden, of course.
    
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    July 31, 2024 1:32pm
softail 1450

WOW and we thought we had financial difficulties, as of Sunday every American with a pulse now owes $110,000 usd , 35 trillion dollars and it works out at around $260,000 for every taxpayer in that country, there’s a crash coming IMHO.🔥🔥
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July 31, 2024 10:17am
- Mike
  
  Don’t worry, Trump’s Project 2025 will slash income taxes and government spending to so supercharge the economy that the debt will be paid off inside three years.
  
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  July 31, 2024 10:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mike for next POTUS!
    Maybe fix NZ before you go Mike?
    
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    July 31, 2024 12:02pm
- cmm
  
  It will be many millions for the only taxpayers that really matter – net taxpayers. The vast majority of Americans absorb far more tax than they pay – just like here.
  
  All anyone cares about is kicking the can down the road so it doesn’t explode on their watch.
  
  Americans struggle with any sort of belt tightening. They talk about hardship, but do so from a flash car costing $1000 a month on a phone costing them $200 a month while sipping a coffee costing them $400 per month.
  
  They really have no clue what hardship looks like – even 1930s American hardship, let alone real Africa-level hardship.
  
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  July 31, 2024 11:03am
- Grunter
  
  Yep, this Ponzi scheme will crash, it is a mathematical certainty.
  
  The only question is when – no one knows this part.
  
  History shows that the financial crash comes when new loans are taken to pay off the maturing loans (numerous examples of this over time). That stage is about to begin for the USA.
  
  My view is that the EU will fail first, bringing with it a massive capital flight from Euros that will only find a home in USD. This will effectively delay the US Ponzi crash somewhat.
  
  Interestingly, Japan and China look increasingly fragile as well (both are Ponzis that are built on a house of cards debt mountain).
  
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  July 31, 2024 11:06am
Grunter

Boom! That’s exactly the choice.

Pick one OR the other. No fence-sitting.

I pick democracy, equality, one law for all and a colourblind society.
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July 31, 2024 10:55am
cmm

We’re probably a decade behind the poms:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350361450/police-clash-unruly-crowd-gathered-near-site-uk-stabbing-attack-killed-3-girls
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July 31, 2024 11:04am
David Garrett

Meanwhile, over in the UK, those on the right – condemned of course as “right wing extremists” – are hitting back at the Muslims..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350361450/police-clash-unruly-crowd-gathered-near-site-uk-stabbing-attack-killed-3-girls

And note the stupid cop who says “the suspect we have in custody was born in the UK” as if that means anything. In fact the UK born children of those lovely “moderate” Muslims they let in 20 years ago pose the greatest threat.
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July 31, 2024 11:05am
- David Garrett
  
  UPDATE: I see some posters are saying the suspect’s parents are from Uganda, which apparently has a very small Muslim population. If so, I stand corrected…but I stand by my point that the greatest threat is not from carefully chosen Muslim immigrants, but from their UK born children.
  
  As will be the case here in 10 or 15 years time, as the “moderate” Muslims we let in have kids who become radicalized.
  
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  July 31, 2024 11:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I am 72 and plan to clock out in about 18/19 years, so I will see it develop.
    I fear what my 1 year old great grandson’s World will be like when he is an adult.
    In some ways I detest what the NZ Politicians have done to our lovely Country.
    
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    July 31, 2024 12:09pm
    - Paulus
      
      Similarly I have said sorry to my Children and Grandchildren that we allowed the current situation in New Zealand to occur, but at the same time we did not vote for the current turmoil, but many did, and they are the ones screaming.
      
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      July 31, 2024 4:07pm
- Mike
  
  If, as seems clear, you believe Islam is an existential threat the western world, what should be done about it? The US crusades in Iraq and Afghanistan don’t seem to have done much, and even Israel is struggling to destroy the tiny Gaza strip.
  Mass deportations and refusal to interact any more with Islamic countries would seem to be the logical solutions.
  
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  July 31, 2024 11:17am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The best curative for Muslims fundamentalists, and indeed radicals of all sort is to be confronted daily with dissent and contradiction for their beliefs. Ie prevent the creation of echo chamber “Safe Spaces” for crazy. Being forced to daily contend with other viewpoints prevents people from descending into unbalanced nut-jobbery and promotes more harmonious pluralism. Apply also to academic Civil service and media far-leftism and religions of all sorts.
    
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    July 31, 2024 11:36am
  - David Garrett
    
    You already know very well what I think should be done about Muslim immigration into our fair land Mikey/Milky/Mikenmild/Mikenmildagain.
    
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    July 31, 2024 11:43am
    - Mike
      
      I’m well aware that you wish to ditch the Human Rights Act with its ridiculous provisions that prohibit discrimination in the basis of religion or national origin.
      But the problem is much bigger. Logically, you need to treat any Muslims as enemy aliens and prohibit any commerce or interaction between the west and Islam. If you’re not advocating that, then all you are doing is delaying as little the Muslim takeover which terrifies you.
      
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      July 31, 2024 12:56pm
      - cmm
        
        The Human Rights Act that prohibits discrimination based on national origin? If so, then how do we end up with Maori being treated differently? Or South Africans? Or …
        
        It isn’t based on discrimination based on religion. Islam is more a political system than a religion.
        
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        July 31, 2024 1:50pm
      - Paulus
        
        We do not choose our Refugees, the UN does it for us, and we have no say.
        
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        July 31, 2024 4:08pm
  - cmm
    
    ” you believe Islam is an existential threat the western world, what should be done about it?”
    
    They are clearly not compatible, so why try to mix them?
    
    Obviously there are limited solutions for what is already broken, but the first step should be bloody obvious: don’t make a bad situation worse by adding more petrol to the fire.
    
    The second step is less obvious: reaffirm that the western world is built on western values. Those that do not like it can piss off.
    
    This is all going to happen one way or the other. Either in an orderly fashion or through mayhem and civil war.
    
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    July 31, 2024 1:56pm
- MCōs
  
  You need to read the very article you posted rather than jump to conclusions
  As it happens about the only thing that’s been verified thus far is he was born in Cardiff to parents from Uganda, a former colony of Britain and still member of the Commonwealth. Similar to NZ except it’s a republic.
  
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  July 31, 2024 12:02pm
  - Ghost
    
    And the name people are throwing around the police have stated is not the boys name. I thought people had learned from the aussie stabbing about spreading misinformation.
    
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    July 31, 2024 12:05pm
    - Mike
      
      People believe the first thing they read on social media that triggers their personal preferences.
      
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      July 31, 2024 12:59pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Oh really?? I used to be a climate alarmism believer. As the pertinent facts came to light I changed my mind. That happened over a period of 20 years (much more stridently so in the last 15). That was courtesy of various forms of social media starting with message boards and blogs. Some people use these technologies to learn.
        
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        July 31, 2024 11:07pm
  - MCōs
    
    When Idi Amin was President of Uganda he expelled 60+k Asians in 1971 of whom 27k went to the UK.
    It seems they dominated commerce in that country and the ethnic Africans were resentful, so they lost everything and were kicked out
    Meanwhile Enoch Powell made sure they had a frosty reception in the UK
    https://www.striking-women.org/module/map-major-south-asian-migration-flows/twice-migrants-african-asian-migration-uk
    A small number went to Wales
    
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    July 31, 2024 12:31pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I think they were known as “Patels”
      Their homeland didn’t want them. Those who got to the US mainly got into the motel business and quickly became dominant through lower prices due to staff being family.
      
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      July 31, 2024 1:10pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Through marriage I am related to a family of Patels who were booted out of Uganda by Idi. There were about 10 brothers, a number of whom became medical professionals in London. Hard working, family values, prosperous.
        
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        July 31, 2024 6:45pm
    - Inandout
      
      MC, and barely a peep about racism. Still, Idi gave a pattern as to how Europe can expel theirs, not because they were successful business people, but in the main were troublesome. Didn’t a high UK official crawl into a tent to speak with Idi?
      
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      July 31, 2024 2:08pm
- fernglas
  
  If what the police are saying is correct, those who are involved in the attacks on them are from the EDL who are indeed far right wing extremists; even Tommy Robinson dissociated himself from them because they were too extreme, and Tommy would be the first to deny being even slightly to the left
  
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  July 31, 2024 6:46pm
thirteenstars

Pretty pointed stuff in a recent ACT press release about the state of housing in NZ:

https://www.act.org.nz/the_state_of_housing

A great read that contains this sharp jab at the coalition partner:

The mad Labour-National conspiracy to zone every section for three three-storey homes whether the infrastructure exists or not, is being rolled back. It would have made the infrastructure problem worse by pepper potting development instead of coordinating it. A great example of ACT keeping their heads when all others lost theirs.

Not only is it true but it might count as nice payback for the numbskull National Party’s (and NZF) advancement of Labour’s Fair Digital News Bargaining Bill, which will subsidise failing media by taxing successful media, a bill railed against by ACT and anyone with at least one functioning brain cell.

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2023/0278/latest/whole.html
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July 31, 2024 11:20am
- Mike
  
  Vote ACT for better planned and segregated social housing ghettoes?
  
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  July 31, 2024 1:00pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Not at all. Just don’t build “social housing ghettoes”. That’s your ideological problem, not mine.
    
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    July 31, 2024 1:19pm
    - Mike
      
      That’s one vote for ‘pepper potting’.
      
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      July 31, 2024 1:28pm
      - Inandout
        
        Mike, pepper potting worked OK when state house renters were in the main decent people and got on well with next door house owners. Then the mongrels arrived with their stereos and constant fighting.
        
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        July 31, 2024 2:11pm
Bridgenag

Sexual Fetishes, Grooming, and the Olympics
Exposing children to deviant behavior has serious consequences

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sexual-fetishes-grooming-and-the?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 31, 2024 12:04pm
Bridgenag

How an asylum NGO, Pakistani authorities and the German Foreign Office collaborated to secure German entry visas for literal Pakistani spies
The visa scandal rocking Annalena Baerbock’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs just gets weirder and weirder.

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/how-an-asylum-ngo-pakistani-authorities?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 31, 2024 12:05pm
- kowtow
  
  Odd place that , Pakistan . Britain maintains diplomats there to protect and rescue British citizens who are in forced marriages .
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30923981
  
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  July 31, 2024 12:50pm
Inandout

You have to dig around for background information on this prick but his motives aren’t certain. The fact that Sir Keir was booed doesn’t surprise me.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/07/30/how-many-more-children-prime-minister-heckled-at-scene-of-mass-stabbing-of-young-girls/
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July 31, 2024 12:20pm
- MCōs
  
  Booed by this upstanding English gentleman
  https://x.com/tim_brannigan/status/1818392714406511075?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
  
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  July 31, 2024 4:27pm
Ghost

What an awful day for the friends and family.

A 13-year-old girl suffered an unsurvivable head injury while on a school ice skating trip in Christchurch.

A Givealittle page set up by her family says “sadly while on a school excursion Kymani fell, sustaining an unsurvivable head injury”.

Article
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July 31, 2024 12:35pm
Jack5

Are Rupert Murdoch’s children and heirs already pushing Fox News and the Wall Street Journal towards the Left?

These outlets seem to be showing signs of political moderation, perhaps with boss staff betting “both ways” as the Right member of the family and the Liberal siblings seek control.

Murdoch senior is doing another of his share-voting-rights ploys to consolidate Murdoch media power in the conservative hands of Lachlan.

Aussie web site Crikey explains what is going on:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/07/29/murdoch-lachlan-rupert-elisabeth-prudence-james-news-corp/
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July 31, 2024 12:45pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack, Fox is but one news site. There are many more non MSM to choose from, well if you have a smart TV and fibre. X also has much ‘behind the scene’ info.
  
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  July 31, 2024 1:13pm
Maggie Pie

FRIGHTENING….

“Who wants to tell him? Trans women are men!”

https://tiktok.com/@ashleyistillhere/video/7397116395391077663

(This is exactly what NZF intend to eliminate from our twisted society.
Who else is with Winston on this?)
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July 31, 2024 1:33pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Meanwhile in Canada you can be sent to prison for “misgendering” someone. They might have their priorities wrong there????
  
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  July 31, 2024 11:16pm
Damocles11

Saw a job advertised for Mercury Energy and they featured pretty prominently the info that you can take paid ‘gender affirmation’ leave.

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‘Gender affirmation is the process an individual goes through when they to begin to live as their authentic gender, rather than that presumed at birth. This process can include all or any combination of social, medical and legal affirmation.’

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‘Gender Affirmation Leave is paid leave available to employees who need time off work to undergo the process of affirming their gender.’
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July 31, 2024 1:40pm
sirknz

Not sure if anybody here is missing anything but this has been found…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350362017/woman-calls-police-after-mistaking-realistic-sex-doll-body
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July 31, 2024 1:50pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  The Herald had the face blurred……wallys.
  
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  July 31, 2024 3:12pm
Bobba Fret

https://www.gbnews.com/celebrity/paris-olympics-2024-opening-ceremony-dancer-testicle-last-supper

I didn’t realise that on top of all the complaints about the last supper scene, there was also a wardrobe malfunction! The bloke in black behind the small girl in yellow.
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July 31, 2024 2:32pm
greybeard

There was some scepticism about the value of the recent All Blacks vs Fiji match in San Diego:
well maybe it had a positive effect on the USA womens’ team , and helped them to a Bronze Medal performance.

USA and Canada in the medal playoffs: who would have picked that ! Look out NZ !
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July 31, 2024 3:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gosh

Seems Government MPs of Maori ethnicity are internalised racists…. and the EVIDENCE: Christopher Luxon is PAKEHA.

Meager’s views came from “an internalised racist view”, mentioning that his “boss” – presumably Prime Minister Christopher Luxon – was pākehā.

“When you’ve internalised the racism so deeply, that’s what you sound like – you talk like he talks. So he can’t help himself. you see?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/523703/maori-mps-who-backed-ward-changes-have-internalised-racism-te-pati-maori-mp-mariameno-kapa-kingi
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July 31, 2024 3:20pm
- Ghost
  
  Unfortunately for them Meager isn’t putting up with their crap
  
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  July 31, 2024 3:44pm
Swifty

The left scream ‘racism’ because they’ve got nothing else:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/523703/maori-mps-who-backed-ward-changes-have-internalised-racism-te-pati-maori-mp-mariameno-kapa-kingi

I also note that Kapa-Kingi says “the benefits of Maori wards are obvious” but doesn’t deign to list even a single one. Maybe in fact she can’t.

Hipkins continues his ignominious slide into irrelevancy too I see – if that man truthfully cannot see a difference between race-based wards versus geographical wards then he really has lost it. Although I suspect he can see the difference, but is just trying to mislead New Zealanders in order to score political points. This M.O. being standard operating procedure for the NZ left.
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July 31, 2024 3:49pm
Maggie Pie

More great live reporting from ‘The Herald’ on the Remuera Eye Doctors trial today.

You can see why Polkinghorne’s house never rushed out the door when he put it on the market. The 3D computer generated ‘walk-thru’ presented to the court earlier, shows a pretty average looking interior.

Just saying.
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July 31, 2024 4:26pm
- kowtow
  
  NZME are obsessed with this rich white people trial .
  
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  July 31, 2024 5:27pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Indeed.
    
    We don’t get all the salacious details of the lives of Joshuah Tasi’s killers.
    
    In fact, it is only today, at their sentencing that we learn they are brothers and are gang members.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350360277/beach-haven-stabbing-teenage-brothers-jailed-joshuah-tasis-murder
    
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    July 31, 2024 6:59pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      TBF tho Maggz, they’re a dime a dozen.
      I overheard an elderly lady in the dairy yesterday discussing it with Raj.
      She was telling him the last time she recalls reading anything as salacious
      as this happening in Remmers, occurred about 60 years ago in Bassett Rd.
      
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      July 31, 2024 7:21pm
kevn

Maggie… Great neighbours only get you so far in the property market.
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July 31, 2024 4:44pm
JimBobJoe

Hamas Leader goes into the long night, while being guarded by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard in Tehran.

Israel? His own in a power play? Iran as they want someone more militant?

Who knows. Iran says its Israel of course…

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iran-hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-assassinated-tehran-112427534
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July 31, 2024 5:10pm
- sirknz
  
  Apparently a precision air strike in Tehran.
  
  Nothing says “anywhere, anytime, with whatever we have to hand” like flying in through some formidable air defence systems, undetected, and whacking the top guy of a terrorist organisation.
  
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  July 31, 2024 9:51pm
- Ehlana
  
  Did anybody else only find out this guy’s name after he was killed?
  Since October 7, I have heard constantly about his Israeli counterpart, Benjamin Netanyahu, (mostly critically), but Ismail Haniyeh seems to have had nothing to say and no-one seems to have criticised his leadership.
  Why is that?
  
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  August 1, 2024 8:25am
Maggie Pie

And what about the Speaker banning ACT from answering questions during QT today,
all becos they were wearing tiny ‘Lapel-Pins’ in the chamber!

Yet not a word uttered about the Greens, Maori Party, or the majority of Labour MPs,
who always arrive in The House attired like SLOBS!!

This whole thing has become ridiculous. People are saying Gerry has to go.
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July 31, 2024 5:18pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I thought last year before the election that Gerry was the obvious choice for speaker and would make an excellent speaker.
  I am not too proud to say I got that very wrong and am extremely disappointed with him so far.
  
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  August 1, 2024 8:31am
Swifty

How would New Zealanders feel about Coke wanting the banning of other soft drink makers?

Toyota wanting to be the only company allowed to sell cars in New Zealand?

Woolworths wanting all other supermarket operators banned from operating?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/523754/undemocratic-and-authoritarian-educators-lash-out-at-charter-school-plans

And where are Labour who, during their last two terms, were constantly saying we need more competition in the banking sector, the grocery sector, the building supplies sector etc etc – as “Kiwis are being ripped off”?

Why exactly would education not enjoy similar benefits of increased competition? Why is the sauce good for the goose but not the gander?

Labour treat us like dolts.
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July 31, 2024 5:57pm
Ghost

Worth watching if you haven’t already, AI Harris ad

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YOnP8Q8oG0o&pp=ygUTS2FtYWxhIGhhcnJpcyBhaSBhZA%3D%3D
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July 31, 2024 8:31pm
Swifty

No mention of Iwi affiliation.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350362724/woman-charged-over-hate-motivated-crime-auckland-bus

I wonder why?
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