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Biscuit

I see France has won its first gold medal at these Olympics Games.
In Men’s Rugby Sevens…
Can’t wait to see Antoine and his lads doing the post-match Can Can.
Gotta be an improvement on…
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July 28, 2024 8:02am
- pdm
  
  Am I wrong in thinking that a Haka was done by the 5th place getters?
  
  If so someone needs to tell them that if second is nowhere then fifth is well down the gurgler.
  
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  July 28, 2024 8:55am
  - cmm
    
    These are all kids raised in the age of the participation trophy.
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:20am
  - Burtland
    
    “A lot of those boys were in tears walking off”
    – Curry the captain of the All Blacks Sevens
    
    says it all really
    
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/26/olympics-all-blacks-sevens-knocked-out-in-quarterfinals/
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:32am
    - gravedodger
      
      I wonder if the “Olympic Ideal” has moved from winning, as in fastest, highest and best to “participation” when a “Draw” delivers two teams from a pool to playing off in sudden death quarter final.
      Well done to the Hosts team.
      
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      July 28, 2024 10:17am
      - pdm
        
        A very good question GD.
        
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        July 28, 2024 12:33pm
  - leoj
    
    I bet the haka was first class.
    
    The rugby: Not so much.
    
    Change of emphasis?
    
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    July 28, 2024 12:34pm
krazykiwi

Hello from Slovenia. Apropos of nothing in particular, my gmail account is being spammed with pro-Karmala ads. From Barrack & Michelle. From Karmala’s team. From several senators. Has Google simply handed the dems their entire gmail email address list? Anyone else received these pleading emails?
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July 28, 2024 8:08am
- krazykiwi
  
  I should have noted that, apparently, just $25 can help save democracy.
  
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  July 28, 2024 8:36am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Greenbacks, or low value Kiwi dolleros? There’s quite a difference, and in my financial position I can only help save democracy if it’s really cheap.
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:10am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Filling your car with gas costs you $25 more since Sleepy Joe took office, so why not just send Kamala another $25 more so she can go about increasing the price of a fill even more.
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:11am
    - Paulus
      
      Yes, my three week fill is over NZ$100.
      And I do Kms 6,000 approx per year.
      
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      July 28, 2024 11:36am
  - Lance
    
    Are thay offering a (insert political figure here) bible?
    
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    July 28, 2024 12:16pm
- MCōs
  
  I’ve just been reading about Slovenia and it’s less than admirable part in the persecution of Jews in its former state before it was temporarily reunited with the rest of Czechoslovak
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:22am
  - Jade Warrior
    
    MCos, you are confusing Slovenia with Slovakia (in fairness, you are far from the only person to do that). Slovakia was indeed part of the wider Czechoslovakia until 1993 when both the Czech Republic and Slovakia agreed to a peaceful division of their two nations.
    
    Slovenia, by contrast, used to be part of the former Yugoslavia. It is the most prosperous of the former Yugoslav republics. It’s well worth a visit … reminds me a lot of NZ actually.
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:49am
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    Slovenia and Slovakia are different countries. By the way, Australia and Austria are also different countries.
    
    The clue is in the spelling…
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:53am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      NZ’ s greatest PM ever Dame Jacinda will never have such confusions about Slovakia and Slovenia. She clealy knows Slovakia is an Australian state with capital Karachi.
      
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      July 28, 2024 11:45am
  - H. Upmann
    
    Check your geography. Slovenia has nothing to do with Czech.
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:53am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You are confusing Slovenia with Slovakia. Totally different countries.
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:55am
    - kowtow
      
      I’ve just been reading about Siam’s less than admirable part in allowing the Imperial Japanese Forces free passage to attack us in Malaya .
      
      Part of the Japanese Empire’s utterly cruel war against just about everyone they came into contact with in their Greater Co Prosperity Sphere.
      
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      July 28, 2024 10:22am
      - Jack5
        
        For differing reasons, not everyone was on the Allied side.
        
        Finland, under the superb military leadership of Mannerheim, was another Germany ally, because Finland fighting for survival against the Red Army.
        
        Hitler visited Mannerheim, and a rare copy of Hitler’s ordinary speaking voice (as opposed to the ranting at rallies), was recorded there.
        
        I posted this here once before, but those who missed it might find the recording interesting, the link’s below.
        
        Hitler tells how he was surprised he was by the Red Army’s number of tanks.
        
        Slovakia, from German occupied Czechoslavakia, was actually another German client state in World War 2.
        
        https://youtu.be/WE6mnPmztoQ?si=Q2Z7AK8fZBPnSNts
        
        Slovakia in World War 2:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovakia_during_World_War_II
        
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        July 28, 2024 11:24am
  - David Garrett
    
    MCos: Wrong state old boy…SLOVAKIA was part of Czechoslovakia not SLOVENIA
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:03am
    - Dougal10
      
      He doesn’t care he was just trying to call krazy a nazi.
      
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      July 28, 2024 11:22am
  - MCōs
    
    My apologies for my confusion
    
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    July 28, 2024 12:32pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Good one, MCōs. Upthumb from me.
      
      You and I are now the only two commenters who have ever posted an apology on Kiwiblog. As I’m sure you know, right-wingers never apologise; they just dig in.
      
      (But, you have a wee way to go to catch up with me. I’ve done it four or five times in the last seven or eight years.)
      
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      July 28, 2024 12:51pm
      - cmm
        
        Ridiculous. I apologized earlier this week. Many others have too.
        
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        July 28, 2024 1:28pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Wrong Steve, I have apologised a couple of times in the past – admittedly a while ago.
        
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        July 28, 2024 1:55pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Don. We don’t count. Steve Todd only counts leftie apologies, which is hardly ever.
        Example: Jacinda Ardern. Can I rest my case?
        
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        July 28, 2024 2:42pm
      - zulumonster
        
        I’m sorry for never apologising Steve Todd.
        Does that help?
        
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        July 28, 2024 3:50pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        To cmm and Don Beckett.
        
        Um, okay, it would appear I have missed a couple of apologies.
        
        For that, I apologise.
        
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        July 28, 2024 4:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Todd
        Perhaps you should apologise for soiling the blog by repeatedly posting material from the Sexist Pig Cenk Uygur?
        
        Btw I apologised for mixing Schumer up with Schiff the other day
        
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        July 28, 2024 5:11pm
    - Aquarius
      
      First time you’ve apologised for not knowing what you’re talking about
      You should do that far more often
      
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      July 28, 2024 1:38pm
      - MCōs
        
        Noted
        
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        July 28, 2024 4:48pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @ MCōs @ 4:48PM
        
        No, MCōs, no!
        
        Don’t ever bow down to these horrible people.
        
        You’re one of the good guys.
        
        Please! Always stand tall.
        
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        July 28, 2024 5:57pm
      - Ghost
        
        He knows more of what he is talking about than most. Sadly some think that because they disagree with him he must be wrong. Btw, who are you?
        
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        July 28, 2024 6:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        “horrible people”
        Pot.Kettle.Black
        
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        July 28, 2024 6:12pm
- Steve Todd
  
  @krazykiwi @ 8:08AM
  
  I guess it’s amazing what you can do when you suddenly have $250 million dollars to spend (that, incredibly, you raised in just a day or two).
  
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  July 28, 2024 12:35pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Quite so, Steve. Raised? Nope. She’s stolen Biden’s campaign fund.
    
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    July 28, 2024 5:43pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      She’s stolen Biden’s campaign fund.
      
      Really? C’mon, krazykiwi; I doubt it. She was on the ticket in the Democratic primaries.
      
      (See, for example,—
      
      “She only needs 1,975 of Biden’s (and, let’s face it, her*) 3,905 delegates.”
      
      * On 19 January 2022, Biden confirmed “Harris will again be his running mate in his 2024 re-election campaign.” (See https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/19/biden-commits-to-harris-as-his-running-mate-2024-527418.) So, people voted in the primaries this year knowing that they were a team, and that she could become president sometime during his second term.)
      
      See https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/general_debate_09_july_2024.html/comment-page-1#comment-3587050.
      
      But it doesn’t matter. What you and I think is neither here nor there.
      
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      July 28, 2024 6:31pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Harris dropped out of the Primaries because she got no Votes
        Biden got all the Delegates Votes not her
        So they aren’t ‘her’ Delegates’
        Please educate yourself about the US system
        
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        July 28, 2024 6:40pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Kamala has raised $250M, in her own right, just this week. It’s ‘her’ money.
        
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        July 28, 2024 7:20pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        $231 million actually
        And $150 million is just pledges at this stage
        Oh she will get money
        But win?
        We will see
        And they arent ‘her’ Delegates yet
        
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        July 28, 2024 7:34pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      See how things can be twisted?
      I thought it was only $98 million from Biden? There is a lot of spare money floating around.
      Now here is the question – has the Harris Foundation set up a new bank account for 10% for the Big Girl? If not, why not? The money is floating in the air and up for grabs!
      
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      July 28, 2024 6:35pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      Stolen the campaign funds? C’mon!
      She isn’t living in a luxury apartment surrounded by bodyguards and gigolos in Costa Rica or Dubai (just yet).
      Those donor funds were donated to obtain giant tubs of political machine grease and she is currently busy greasing up that machine.
      Bought, paid for and delivered. The particular person swabbing the grease is of minor importance.
      
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      July 28, 2024 6:49pm
    - Ghost
      
      “Biden can’t transfer his money to Harris because it was raised under his own name, and there is no legal mechanism for it to have been raised jointly with Harris before they were their party’s nominees,” said Spies, who advised the Republican National Committee before stepping down from that role earlier this year.
      
      Article
      
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      July 28, 2024 6:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Thats very interesting Ghost
        So Harris isnt entitled to the $240 million at all?
        You have to be sure the GOP will tie that up with lawfare
        Im sure she will raise a lot but $240 million is a lot to do without
        
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        July 28, 2024 7:11pm
kowtow

They talk of the Olympic spirit , values and its Greek heritage , much made of the first modern one held there in 1896 and the flame ceremony ,what with women ( real ones) dressed in Greek garb etc

And yet in Paris the opening ceremony is a parody of all things decent and western . Not to mention they can’t protect their own vital rail infrastructure.

Back to the Oly’s ;Drag queens and a mockery of DaVinci’s Last Supper.

Does anything symbolise the demise of the post modern west more than this .
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July 28, 2024 8:19am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The return of naked competitors can’t be far away.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:36am
  - kowtow
    
    In which case they’ll have to mind their bollocks.
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:23am
  - leoj
    
    .. naked trans will suddenly be exposed for the fakes they are.
    
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    July 28, 2024 12:36pm
- AitchW
  
  Is it too early to be wondering what new depths of depravity will be plumbed at the closing ceremony? Who on earth thought that a parody of the last supper was a good idea?
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:39am
- pdm
  
  I still cannot believe or understand why they have a Refugee team at these Olympics.
  
  Surely there are `of no fixed abode’ so cannot be representative of a country.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    There have long been a few independent athletes allowed at each Olympics who have found themselves stateless, or similarly without a home country.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Olympians_at_the_Olympic_Games
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:04am
    - gravedodger
      
      The Olympic Myth lost me when New Zealand had ostensibly one and two in the world in the single scull, Wardell and Drysdale yet could only send one while a benighted sub Saharan athlete who could train in a bath when water was available got his chance at a gold medal.
      This time at Paris Two qualifiers from the same pool were pitted at quarter final stage.
      Even dear old Mr Avery Brundage was not that woke .Farewell fastest, highest, strongest all participants getting a gold medal cant be far away
      
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      July 28, 2024 7:15pm
  - Geri Sjovik
    
    The world rushed to love the new state of South Sudan and ‘world leaders’ get themselves all wet and sticky over Palestine.
    
    But Taiwan can’t exist. Taiwan isn’t seen as a nation or allowed to declare itself one.
    
    Why is that?
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:22am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Is that a rhetorical question? You could find dozens of credible sources in 5 seconds with Google that would explain things to you.
      
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      July 28, 2024 10:52am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Oil.
      What else really.
      No wonder African Leaders have had a gutsfull.
      
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      July 28, 2024 11:33am
slightlyrighty

It probably comes from being more politically active on line, and the lack of similar content from the GOP.
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July 28, 2024 8:22am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Lots of Chloe-waffle at the Greens conference.

Not a single word about the Greens candidate selection and vetting processes. You’d think that with the lengthy list of spectacular fails, this would be top of mind.

Just saying.
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July 28, 2024 8:26am
- MCōs
  
  I wasn’t there so I don’t know. What did she talk about that wasn’t in the media?
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:25am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Surely you’re not accusing the media of covering up discussion on the common thread linking recent Green candidate disasters?
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:40am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Mcõs, she probably talked about the difference between Slovenia and Slovakia.
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:18am
    - MCōs
      
      Probably
      
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      July 28, 2024 12:35pm
- AitchW
  
  Nobody ever addresses the elephant.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:31am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  I am OK as long as Chloe doesn’t talk about the benefit of canabis smoking.
  
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  July 28, 2024 11:46am
  - JackRabbit
    
    She is a shining example of what habitual cannabis smoking from an early age does to a person.
    
    In her case, no respect for elders and people more wise than her, Shoutiness, Socialism, Supporting Palestine river to the sea, Mental Depression, Shoplifter friends, Lesbian…
    
    Like the Emperor, she believes she is hiding behind her virtue signalling robes, but anyone of intelligence can see her ego and projections laid bare.
    
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    July 28, 2024 1:49pm
- John Loveridge
  
  It’s pleasing to observe the Greens imploding over Darleen, now that the Pasifika members are revolting.
  
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  July 28, 2024 8:07pm
Yvette

From a Labour Party Press Release prior to Ardern becoming Prime Minister …

No mana for Māori
A vote for the Mana Māori deal is a vote for National, says Labour’s Māori Development spokesperson Kelvin Davis
“They’re welcome to each other. It’s only a matter of time before Māori work out there’s no mana in this deal.

“After nine years of this National Government, propped up by the Māori party, there’s not a lot to brag about. Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch.

“The Kiwi quarter acre dream is more of a nightmare as the housing crisis hits Māori hard. Māori are five times more likely to be homeless than Pākeha. Māori home ownership is 28 per cent compared with 56.8 per cent for Pākeha.

Hipkins takes aim at Govt over policies ‘unfairly targeting’ Māori
“We are here after a week in Parliament that, like all other weeks in Parliament under this Government, has seen Māori unfairly targeted.”
The release of the Royal Commission of Inquiry’s report on Abuse in State Care this week brought a “shameful history of abuse” into daylight, he said.

“Māori were disproportionately targeted. Cut off from their whānau, their whakapapa, their culture and identity, subjected to outright racism. Beaten, starved, raped, and abused.

“We heard all parties acknowledge the findings, speak of their horror at what had occurred, and pledge that it should never be allowed to happen again.

“And then, quite literally minutes after the debate on the Royal Commission’s report had ended, the Government once again targeted Māori as they reversed legislation that gives Māori a seat at the table on local councils.”
[…]
“Despite their righteous outrage at the findings of the Royal Commission, the Government continues with their agenda to re-introduce bootcamps, even though they were found to be places where some of the worst abuse happened.”
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/27/hipkins-takes-aim-at-govt-over-maori-policies/.

So between those two quotes you have six years of Labour raising one ethic group to exceptionalism and dividing the nation –

• control of water – te Mana o te Wai, (Te Puna, Maori Advisory Council for Taumata Arowai, the Water Regulator)
• activists infiltrated Education from kindergarten to university
• take-over of beaches
• activists have taken control of the Waitangi Tribunal
• acivists are active in the judicial system (tikanga as law?)
• Real Estate
• medical centres
• DOC estates
• local councils
• RMA
• Health System
• Immigration
• Police
• a complicit, corrupt media
• and claims that the Prime Minister is captured along with Potaka, Minister of Maori Development

Yep, it is what its become!

When uncomfortable crap happens in our lives, you become wounded or wise

From the Kelvin Davis repetition of the “wounded” mantra, for cheap political gain, Labour in moves which rival the beginning of 1930s Nazi Germany Aryan ethnic exceptionalism, have raised Maori supremacy while a majority of their ethnic demo-graph remain “wounded” and a cover for what their elite are infiltrating.

Any time you are ready, David Seymour – and about now would be good –
if not yesterday
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July 28, 2024 8:30am
- pdm
  
  Yvette you should give Winston Peters a nudge in this area too.
  
  Apart from taunting the Maori Party and the Greens at question time he has been very quiet regarding Maori excesses etc in recent months.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:32am
- Damocles11
  
  You do realise Luxon is the PM?
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:40am
  - Souvlaki
    
    Indeed…..and in this regard, Dunnes article here raises some valid points:
    https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/07/peter-dunne-nz-has-no-provision-for.html
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:23am
    - Nobby2
      
      My understanding is that the party picks the party leader who then becomes Prime Minister when the party becomes the Government. Surely a party can change the party leader at any time and appoint a new leader who then becomes the new Prime Minister. Problem solved. Or am I being too logical and simplistic ?
      
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      July 28, 2024 12:26pm
  - leoj
    
    …but no leader unless woke is your thing.
    
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    July 28, 2024 12:39pm
  - pdm
    
    Yes but we all know he is not going to be proactive in this area.
    
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    July 28, 2024 12:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Unrelated, Yvette, yesterday the Mods had a word about me being snarky toward you.
  If I was I apologise.
  I just like to point out the differences between the true Treaty (Maori and the Littlewood Draft) and the rogue James Freeman version the Waitangi Tribunal uses. A lot has happened in the 50 years since the Waitangi Tribunal Act was passed in 1975. Many activists have written books the do not tell the truth and this distorts the public view. Media don’t help either.
  So yes, snarky, I apologise. I just get wound up sometimes.
  
  Add. Your comments are always worth reading. Many informative links and many informative views.
  
  Steve.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:54am
  - Yvette
    
    Steve, I did not even see your remark before M zapped it, so thanks for something I was unaware of.
    
    Being blind now in the left eye, some things get passed by – I guess it comes of being a bit one-eyed
    
    M : I assume you have no regrets.
    James Bond : I don’t! What about you?
    M : Of course not. It would be unprofessional.
    
    M : Bond, if you could avoid killing every possible lead, it would be deeply appreciated.
    James Bond : Yes, Ma’am. I’ll do my best.
    M : I’ve heard that before. :o)
    
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    July 28, 2024 4:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sorry, a Connery fan here.
      “The name’s Bond, James Bond” and “I’ll have a vodka martini – shaken, not stirred”
      
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      July 28, 2024 6:52pm
- Paulus
  
  I am for the fist time ever considering changing my next votes and membership to the Seymour led Party.
  
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  July 28, 2024 11:41am
  - pdm
    
    A good move Paulus.
    
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    July 28, 2024 8:44pm
Scooter

I find it hard to believe the wardrobe malfunction (IE Penisgate) at the Olympics was just that and not on purpose. I mean how many times have you seen the same thing happen at Cirque du Soleil or any ballet for that matter. It was planned.
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July 28, 2024 8:41am
- Ghost
  
  Wardrobe malfunctions happen. They happen in concerts, they happen in the Super Bowl. They happen in dancing competitions, in the Olympic ice skating a few years ago. Don’t make more of than it is.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:22am
  - Scooter
    
    Name one Boo, apart from Janet Jackson or maybe Madonna, when they do it for shock value. You don’t see it in professional dancers who in fact wear male support underwear. This guy was clearly doing a free willy for his own gratification.
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:40am
    - Ghost
      
      They happen, hell dancers are taught how do deal with them
      
      15 Onstage Wardrobe Malfunctions That Singers Handled With Humor And Grace
      
      Papadakis suffered a wardrobe malfunction during the pair’s ice dancing Olympics routine that caused the top of her costume to come undone, exposing her left breast for a few moments
      
      Live Performance Wardrobe Malfunctions You Can’t Unsee
      
      Bums out, nip slips and costume rips: Jaw-dropping wardrobe malfunctions at sporting events
      
      Dancing with the Stars: The Show’s Most Memorable Wardrobe Malfunctions
      
      That is 3 minutes on google, suggest you go google and learn how common it is. And yes professional dancers as was the one in the Olympics who was part of lady gaga’s team do have it happen.
      
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      July 28, 2024 10:13am
      - Scooter
        
        Most of those examples are females, very un common for a professional male performer to have a wardrobe malfunction unless planned or just careless. And the male whose appendage was exposed wasn’t with Gaga’s team. He was part of the “Last Supper” scene with the blue smurf.
        
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        July 28, 2024 10:36am
      - Ghost
        
        Really, it isn’t common for men. Perhaps you shouldn’t watch the olympic surfing today when a guys pants rode down showing his butt. For God’s sake it was an accident, stop being stupid
        
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        July 28, 2024 10:56am
    - kowtow
      
      Here’s one . She’s been charged with quite a few offences .
      
      https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/psni-searching-for-twelfth-flasher-as-investigation-launched/a2089568267.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawESVU9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVFzSh-Q9bfvKzZaNP1SCDxlNgsfcQIZ0NhWJi5d-LKaL89Hx_gHxaAJnQ_aem_pyTHxBUeVvwT6PqwGOWJ0A
      
      ‘The PSNI has said it is attempting to find a woman who exposed herself at a Twelfth of July parade in Belfast.
      Images on social media showed Clodagh Byrne marching alongside the parade wearing an Orange sash, a bowler hat and tights, as she exposed one of her breasts along the Lisburn Road in south Belfast. She was also carrying a bodhran drum’
      
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      July 28, 2024 10:37am
  - pdm
    
    As is said wardrobe malfunctions are not new.
    
    I remember when I was in the third form (1960) as a non swimmer at the school swimming sports sitting next to my mate. Not sure how he knew the following, maybe his older brother or sister told him this.
    
    He said to me `watch the girl swimmers and divers because sometimes their swim suit straps break and their tits pop out’.
    
    I never saw a thing so he let me down then. In fact I spent four years at school swimming sports watching and waiting for it to happen to no avail but, he still remains my best mate 64 plus years on.
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:41am
    - Scooter
      
      3rd form sport is different to international sports, ballet etc. Maybe the Olympic opening ceremony director Thomas Jolly just hired amateur performers wearing Speedos for diversity.
      
      https://deadline.com/2024/07/olympics-opening-ceremony-artistic-director-intention-mock-or-shock-1236024601/
      
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      July 28, 2024 10:01am
      - Ghost
        
        Maybe you should stop making stupid accusations. The dancer was a professional dancer, part of lady gaga’s team.
        
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        July 28, 2024 10:16am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Ha,ha, ha.
      Good story.
      You’d have better luck down at a beach watching a lass in an ill-fitting bikini top when a breaker rolls in.
      
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      July 28, 2024 10:05am
      - pdm
        
        Guess what Maggy
        
        Back in the late 70’s or early 80’s when living in Gisborne our family went to the Tolaga Bay beach races.
        
        Around the middle of the meeting a horse got loose and made its way to the General area where we were sitting. It never got too close to us but did cause some panic among the people nearby.
        
        Including a young lady who had been sunbathing topless who stood and took evasive action.
        
        No prizes for guessing who was watching the horse and did not see a bloody thing.
        
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        July 28, 2024 12:55pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      The only story I have along those lines concerns my poor fifth form buddy, whose ill-fitting togs one day earned him the indelible nickname Put-It-Away Hyslop, unintentionally coined by our PE teacher.
      
      “Put it away, Hyslop!”
      
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      July 28, 2024 8:16pm
      - pdm
        
        JL – a couple of nephews played junior rugby with a young man nick named – TRIPOD TROY!!!
        
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        July 28, 2024 8:47pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t find it hard to believe. But then again I think that it is quite plausible that Donald Trump was shot by a random crazy guy. 😃
  
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  July 28, 2024 10:55am
Bridgenag

Interesting video in this one ….

the global “let them eat cake” moment
the self defeating nature of grievance cults reaches the pivot point

“did “hey, let’s use an obese DJ and a bunch of hyper-camp drag queens with a side order of leering marie antoinette sung to by a pudgy failure of neptune/posidon to pastiche the last supper” seem like the message of unity to bring the world together for the global athletic games?”

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/the-global-let-them-eat-cake-moment?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 28, 2024 8:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Good read
  
  empathy and elevation does not aid these people. it’s pathology fertilizer.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:19am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Wow! I was too lazy to get up to watch the show live. I assumed I could catch the highlights later. Remember the show at the 2012 London Games – fantastic! I was rather disappointed by what was on yesterday’s News, thinking that the reality was rather less than the advance publicity.
  
  In fact, it looks like our media have essentially censored the sensational content. Perhaps el gato malo is right is calling this peak madness.
  
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  July 28, 2024 10:05am
NeverMindTheBollocks

You’d have to think that by 2017-18 everyone at Presbyterian Support Otago would have known that destroying records was a no-no. The CEO of the time blames advice from the former Board Chair, who claims his advice was misinterpreted … weasels, the pair of them. But everyone down the line, from the ‘leadership’ (huh!) team to the person who operated the shredder, shares responsibility.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/523269/law-society-president-to-take-leave-of-absence-while-complaint-against-him-addressed
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July 28, 2024 8:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s no excuse for that and it must be contrary to every Kirk practice.
  
  One thing anyone descended from lines of Scottish ancestors soon discovers is that the KIrks kept good records of births, deaths and marriages (including illegitimate births and “irregular marriages”).
  
  It took me all of five minutes to locate my paternal grandmother’s line at Registry House in Edinburgh.
  
  And the beauty of the Kirk records ( digitised in Scotlands People) is that you don’t have to learn your whakapaka by heart to pass it on orally… your ancestors have been recording details on paper since the mid 1500s (at least).
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:46am
- greybeard
  
  “……lawyer and ex-Presbyterian Support Otago Board chairperson Frazer Barton – about destroying the records.”
  
  That association, even though past, should be a red flag for investigators.
  
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  July 28, 2024 10:53am
Pope Punctilious II

The good news: Cuddles Coster is leaving the police force at the end of his current contract as Police Commissioner.
The bad news: his contract doesn’t finish till April next year.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/523241/police-commissioner-andrew-coster-confirms-he-s-leaving-at-end-of-contract
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July 28, 2024 8:44am
- cmm
  
  The old adage applies:
  
  Be careful what you wish for because it might come true.
  
  Who is next in line? Does he also wear frilly undies?
  (assuming for a second it is a he and not a zhur).
  
  I’m prepared to place my standard bet of 50 cents and a servo pie that the next one is worse.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:24am
  - Aquarius
    
    Not possible……..
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Next might be a “them.”
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:08am
    - pdm
      
      Speaking of `THEM’ have you seen the Green/Darleen dissertation over at Stuff?
      
      My take on it is here:
      https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/07/28/no-wonder-the-greens-cannot-get-rid-of-darleen-tana/
      
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      July 28, 2024 1:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Silly me. I thought “them” meant her and her husband. That husband who has gone for a visit to Europe.
        
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        July 28, 2024 2:44pm
- kowtow
  
  No doubt there’ll be any number of very well paid consultancies or legal practises to go to.
  
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  July 28, 2024 10:40am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  I think Mitchell will need to reach down through the current layer of deputy commissioner’s to the assistant commissioners to find someone suitable to be Commissioner. I don’t think any deputy commissioner would have the nuts for the job.
  
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  July 28, 2024 1:52pm
  - pdm
    
    I heard someone say there is a Senior cop who has gone to Interpol in the last couple of years that they might want to try to get back.
    
    Unfortunately I cannot remember the name.
    
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    July 28, 2024 8:53pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Evnex is off to Australia. They did a roaring trade here thanks to Jacinda’s big fat thumb on the scales of EV subsidies; now that NZ has restored a level playing field & Australia has upped the gift of taxpayers money to EV owners, Evnex are gone.

Corporate welfare at its finest. Evnex and their ilk are leaches. Good riddance.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/523077/plunging-ev-sales-push-nz-charger-manufacturer-to-look-to-australia
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July 28, 2024 8:53am
- Dougal10
  
  Off before their complicated tech becomes incompatible with electricity meter upgrades.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:19am
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kainga-ora-spent-20m-buying-auckland-land-for-social-housing-it-sits-vacant-six-years-later-housing-plans-scrapped/CYWP34PDRFADFD6EHC6TQ775HI/

Kainga Ora is full of people who don’t know anything. They are damned by the facts, complete incompetence.
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July 28, 2024 8:58am
- artemisia
  
  Kainga Ora had “grand plans for hundreds of apartments to accommodate scores of vulnerable social housing tenants”.
  
  So scores of social housing tenants but hundreds of apartments. The rest, possibly most who knows, were going to be for the open market or affordable.
  
  (‘Affordable”? Again who knows but few private landlords will keen on ‘affordable’ if it means below market rent and they would be subsidising the tenants.)
  
  Anyway, good luck selling high density apartments with scores or more social housing into the private market.
  
  I’m sure taxpayers will get back $20mill or even more when the land is sold.//
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:29am
  - kowtow
    
    “Grand” plans for a slum?
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:41am
- cmm
  
  The purpose was to offload $20M into a mate’s bank account. What’s all this building houses nonsense?
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:30am
- artemisia
  
  Kainga Ora will have been under instructions from Ministers. Who did not seem to have much insight into how and why the social housing waiting list skyrocketed under their watch, and taxpayer costs thereof. That government inherited a waiting list of 5,844, with some social housing sold to private buyers due to no demand.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:36am
  - AitchW
    
    The last government excelled at one thing; making grandiose promises. Their execution was as abysmal as their promise making was exemplary. Wait for more obscene wastes of money to be shaken out of the tree.
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:48am
    - kowtow
      
      To be fair it wasn’t just promises .
      
      They spent like there was no tomorrow , broke the treasury .Locked us down and broke the economy.
      Introduced a plethora of changes to undermine the constitution and rule of law.
      
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      July 28, 2024 10:43am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No. Kàinga Ora would not have even consulted their minister before buying that land.
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:58am
    - artemisia
      
      Maybe consulted, maybe not, but the instructions to KO will have been around making more social housing, stat.
      
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      July 28, 2024 11:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is why the people who don’t know anything are there.
  We all know they would be gone by lunchtime in the Private Sector.
  Bad part is, they are well paid – by us.
  
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  July 28, 2024 10:18am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump will still hold outdoor rallies.
The Secret Service need to up their game and even vet themselves. I still say the assassination attempt was an inside job and Crooks was groomed. The SS do not even have radio recordings from July 13. That is really strange because usually everything in monitored. Too many things not right.
Remember, the Democrats are desperate, and very nasty. They will do anything to stop Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-says-he-will-still-hold-outdoor-rallies-after-shooting-despite-secret-service-warnings/ar-BB1qJRgS?
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July 28, 2024 9:05am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Steve Im sure the Dems are already scouring the cemetaries and preparing the ballot papers. After The Donald destroys Kackling Kamala in the debates ( thats if the Dems are brave enough to let her debate) the will need literally truck loads of ballot papers to stuff the ballot boxes if she has any hope of winning.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:11am
  - MCōs
    
    It sounds like you’re expecting her to win
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:34am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Expecting her to (s)win(dle) voters.
      
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      July 28, 2024 3:37pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    She has already asked for a Debate but Trump has declined saying she isn’t the Nominee yet
    He has a point
    Kamala didn’t get one Delegate to vote for her…
    If she does get nominated he will.
    Why would he not. She’s a pretty weak candidate.
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That is not true, Cackling Harris states he won’t debate me on the same date as Biden was supposed to. But that date has never been set by anyone, accept her to lie about trump backing out, Trumps stated he will debate her but as yet she is not the Dem candidate
      
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      July 28, 2024 10:09am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sigh.
        ‘After Vice President Kamala Harris accused former President Donald Trump of “backpedaling” on a debate, the Trump campaign said Thursday it would not commit to any future debates until the Democratic Party formally chooses a nominee.’
        ‘Trump told reporters earlier this week…
        “I haven’t agreed to anything. I agreed to a debate with Joe Biden,” Trump said on a press call. “But I want to debate with her, and she’ll be no different because they have the same policies. I think debating is important for a presidential race, I really do. You sort of have an obligation to debate.”
        https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/25/politics/kamala-harris-donald-trump-presidential-debate/index.html
        
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        July 28, 2024 10:52am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘But that date has never been set by anyone,’
        
        Wrong. The date for the next debate with Biden was Sept 10
        ‘Trump and Biden in May agreed to two debates — one on June 27, hosted by CNN, and another on Sept. 10, to be televised on ABC.’
        ‘The next debate, which is scheduled for Sept. 10, is to be hosted by ABC News.’
        https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/23/trump-kamala-harris-debate-00170732
        
        I think Trump will try to get it moved from ABC for the Debate with Harris- if she gets the Nomination
        
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        July 28, 2024 11:09am
    - Mike
      
      Well, if one wishes to be picky, neither Trump nor Biden were the official nominees when the first debate was held.
      
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      July 28, 2024 10:23am
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, which was strange. The rules for that debate that ruled Kennedy out were not possible for trump or biden either
        
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        July 28, 2024 10:37am
      - All_on_Red
        
        They’re all playing games
        
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        July 28, 2024 10:54am
      - All_on_Red
        
        To be fair to Biden and Trump, both had won all the Primary contests so were the presumptive nominees.
        Harris hasnt won anything yet.
        
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        July 28, 2024 11:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes Trump agreed to Biden Sept 10, Cackling hyena suggests Trump has backed away as if he is scared, all Trump has done is say he won’t commit to that date with cackled until she is the official nominee, which will happen in August at the convention, he is hardly backing away from anything, simply she is not the candidate
      
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      July 28, 2024 11:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well they made a mistake by having over 100 million ballot papers with the wrong name on them!//
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:19am
  - mawm
    
    Kamala “ad.” posted by Elon. Listen before it is removed from the internet.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQI-zna-y7o
    
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    July 28, 2024 1:52pm
    - Drone
      
      Produced by AI, if it was crteated by Elon’s team he would have posted it to X. It’s on Youtube to get more views..
      
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      July 28, 2024 2:19pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      No matter how it was produced, it is good.
      Expect more from the other side. You know the Dems will tear that to pieces.
      My head hurts now.
      
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      July 28, 2024 4:36pm
  - Drone
    
    lastmanstanding you forgot the //sarc..
    
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    July 28, 2024 2:16pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  And he said yesterday he will return to Butler as a tribute to the firefighter killed at his rally two weeks ago. That will be a huge rally.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sometime the rallies in small towns are the best. Turnouts can be far more than the town population.
    2022 Butler had 13,176. Expect 30,000 to be there.
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:22am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Pensilvania will remember this and probably wins him that state, they will love the fact he supports the family and not simply forget him
      
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      July 28, 2024 11:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Trump has contacted the wife of Corey Comperatore who died to offer condolences a few days ago.
        
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        July 28, 2024 4:40pm
  - Conservatarian
    
    Maybe the new US Secret Service director will insist on putting a guy on the water tower this time, or ask the agents to do difficult things like look out of windows if they are inside a building, or communicate that an identified threat is currently in an operator’s eyesight before letting / leaving Trump onstage. It’s a huge ask I know.
    
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    July 28, 2024 11:23am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Maybe even shoot the perp before he takes a shot at Trump. Maybe I’m too optimistic.
      
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      July 28, 2024 2:05pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Apropos of the Inquiry into Care, I’m calling for every Minister of Social Welfare, every Secretary or CEO of DSW/ MSD/ OT/ CYFS/ Ministry for Children/ whatever since forever to be named, shamed and where they’re still alive, prosecuted.
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July 28, 2024 9:17am
- cmm
  
  This is why the terms of reference were limited to last century. They didn’t want to implicate anyone in the recent past or who were currently active.
  
  As I remarked at the time, having witch hunts about things that happened 70 years ago is rather pointless. The past can’t be changed, but the future can. It is far more important to address current issues to remove current offenders and prevent future problems.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They’re named here….
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/24-07-2024/a-long-list-of-ministers-and-leaders-found-at-fault-for-failing-to-stop-abuse-in-care
  
  But I doubt many are shamed…and I’m damn sure NONE will be prosecuted.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:55am
  - Taieri
    
    There’s a long list of names of the people that the Royal Commission recommends should apologise for the misdemeanors of the past.
    It reminds me of a cartoon by Garrick Tremain, where a several individuals in black suits and holding briefcases go around the graveyard muttering apologies to the headstones. That cartoon related to the neglect of their statutory duties by the then Ministry of Health officials. None of whom were, needless to say, ever brought to account for their misdeeds.
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s an interesting reader’s comment after that article by Rosslyn N. which indicates corrupt behaviour by top bureaucrats.
    
    In the 2000s a group of senior officials strategised to deny or minimise the abuse, denigrated survivors who came forward and treated many of them as criminals. This treatment was re-traumatising for many and it was deliberate. Those officials should not be invisible. They need to be named and called to account because they knew what had been going on. Amongst others, the current Solicitor-General, the former head of MSD, later Public Service Commissioner, the current CEO of the Ministry of Education then a Deputy CEO with responsibility for the claims process in MSD.
    
    There’s probably not a lot of Rosslyn N.’s who would have this inside knowledge…so I suspect the comment is from a Former Chief Human Rights Commissioner .
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:18am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Don’t be coy, Maggy. Naming names is important.
      
      Sounds a lot like RN is referring to Una Jagose, Peter Hughes and Iona Holsted.
      
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      July 28, 2024 2:39pm
- Burtland
  
  grab your pitch fork and your gaslight – lets start a witch hunt …
  
  what? the 200,000 number might be wrong, noooooo
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/rob-macculloch-world-s-media-report-horrific-headlines-about-nz
  
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  July 28, 2024 10:27am
Colville

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350356514/grocer-could-not-let-mcdonalds-arrive-wanaka-without-saying-he-tried-stop-it

NIMBYs are out in force.

So this food seller/cafe owner dosent want another food seller to set up shop.

How about we let people buy food where they want and if someone dosent want to be condescended to by some ponytailed wanker while they are getting a cuppa and a snack then maybe they should be allowed to go where they want? Not everyone wants a almond milk latte and gluten free croissant (with no cheese or ham!)
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July 28, 2024 9:30am
- Hollyfield
  
  He’s also against people having the opportunity of getting the experience of their first job working in an establishment like McDonalds. These people are often young, and gain great skills transferable to other workplaces.
  
  He wants only “high-paying jobs” in Wanaka.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:54am
  - AitchW
    
    It could be argued that with a minimum wage of almost $23 working in a fast food joint is high paying.
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:22am
  - OlderChas
    
    I wonder what he pays his staff?
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:55am
- sherp
  
  Having been a part of the the wanaka ski bum scene and knowing people who have crashed on the drive to qtown for maccas…. yes these NIMBYs just piss me right off.
  
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  July 28, 2024 10:30am
- Ian Boag
  
  Is this perhaps a matter for the Wanaka council to sort?
  
  Do you live in Wanaka …. ? If not, what exactly is your interest in all this other than generic support of McDonalds ….
  
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  July 28, 2024 10:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well if that dude wants high paying jobs then pay the Macca workers more and charge the buyers more. Simple.
  I have only been to Wanaka once (2002), I am surprised it does not have a Maccas.
  
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  July 28, 2024 11:17am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  McDonalds is a food seller?
  
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  July 28, 2024 11:24am
- MCōs
  
  One nimby
  Personally I don’t like McDonald’s food nor that they pay their workers subsistence level wages, but that’s just me.
  Those American junk food conglomerates have outlets on the poor side of town so people can quickly grab some cheap food as they rush between two minimum wage jobs.
  
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  July 28, 2024 1:18pm
  - AitchW
    
    Minimum wage is hardly subsistence.
    
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    July 28, 2024 2:05pm
    - MCōs
      
      Have it your way
      Less than subsistence
      
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      July 28, 2024 3:17pm
      - marcw
        
        Minimum take home pay for a 40 hour week is $768.26. That’s much more than subsistence in most people’s language.
        
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        July 28, 2024 3:42pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        It’s more than double my pension, & I subsist reasonably well on that.
        
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        July 28, 2024 4:10pm
Inandout

Dave Rubin and David Sacks discuss US politics in a calm manner. Such a change to listen to reasoned opinions instead of hysterics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTN_kb4VkQU
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July 28, 2024 9:41am
- Steve Todd
  
  Yeah, Cenk does tend to get a little over-excited, Inny, which annoys me, too.
  
  Perhaps this is more to your liking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PiOX2WUPN0.
  
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  July 28, 2024 11:06am
  - Inandout
    
    ST, I am merely showing another side from the $80 million MSM overnight injection when Joe abdicated and Kamala was annointed. Time will tell whether Biden’s abysmal failures can be explained by Harris in a reasoned manner. Generally annointed politicians are akin to our List MPs.
    
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    July 28, 2024 11:32am
    - Steve Todd
      
      @Inandout @ 11.32AM
      
      I’m sorry, Inny, but none of that was obvious from the comment I responded to.
      
      Commenters should do what I do: give a brief description of what they’re about to see (should they wish to click on the link).
      
      You did not do that.
      
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      July 28, 2024 5:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I think commentators should AVOID what you do and that is posting material from men who demean women
        See, I can play Hall Monitor too
        LOL
        
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        July 28, 2024 5:33pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh this is funny
        “Commenters should do what I do: give a brief description of what they’re about to see”
        
        Yet in your post above at 11:06 you don’t do that.
        
        “Yeah, Cenk does tend to get a little over-excited, Inny, which annoys me, too.
        Perhaps this is more to your liking:”
        
        No description of what the link says…
        Perhaps you should apologise to Inandout for accusing him of something you just did yourself
        Or are you a hypocrite?
        
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        July 28, 2024 5:43pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Cenk (Urygur) does tend to get a little over-excited,”
    
    Especially when women don’t give him sex when he demands it.
    More here; https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/general_debate_26_july_2024.html#comment-3595358
    
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    July 28, 2024 12:02pm
Inandout

Will our local TV show this video of diversity gone wrong?
https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1817247283831845185
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July 28, 2024 10:27am
- kowtow
  
  Too many women in the police and they can’t physically stand up to the thugs . Just encourages violence particularly from nasties who cough cough have no respect for women or western values .
  
  I blame the pollies for a lot of this.
  
  Likewise the Plod in Manchester allowing the thugs to attack the police station .
  
  A couple of baton charges is in order ……..but “community relations” innit.
  
  What a mess .
  
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  July 28, 2024 12:22pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    “Too many women in the police and they can’t physically stand up to the thugs”
    
    Yes, an unfortunate demonstration of the inanity of DEI. Just hire the people best qualified for the job, and one essential qualification for frontline police work is plenty of upper body strength and a physically imposing presence.
    
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    July 28, 2024 3:23pm
Chuck Bird

John Campbell replaced Tame for one week. He appears to be more to the left than Tame. It is outrageous that we could not fund Fair Go but have the money to fund this far-left show.
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July 28, 2024 10:32am
- newview
  
  You did well watching it Chuck. When I saw Campbell and the subject matter I turned it off.
  
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  July 28, 2024 10:51am
  - pdm
    
    Me too newview.
    
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    July 28, 2024 1:14pm
  - rouppe
    
    I’m avoiding all such things by buying a olympics package from sky sport
    
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    July 28, 2024 3:01pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “It is outrageous that we could not fund Fair Go…”
  
  Who is this “we”? AFAIK that programme was not funded by New Zealand on Air at any time in its history.
  
  Same with this “far left show”. It is funded by advertisers.
  
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  July 28, 2024 11:02am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    BY, check this out.
    
    https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/about/our-funding-strategy/specialist-current-affairs/
    
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    July 28, 2024 1:16pm
G the giant from Dunedin

For the person who told me there is no est match against Afghanistan, I am here to tell you it’s in India between 9-13 September
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July 28, 2024 10:37am
- Mike
  
  Thank you. When you said this a while back there was no such match on the schedule. It shows now on Cricinfo but, strangely, is not on the NZC website.
  
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  July 28, 2024 12:28pm
- MCōs
  
  You claimed on June 26 that we play a test in Afghanistan in a reply to a post of mine saying Afghanistan doesn’t play their tests at home.
  As it happens we play them in India at Greater Noida starting Sept 9
  
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  July 28, 2024 6:33pm
  - MCōs
    
    It’s 2-1/2hr drive to the Taj Mahal if you’re going over!
    
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    July 28, 2024 6:40pm
DeepBlue

Has Chloe lost round 1 as leader? Deferring the Tana issue until 1 Sept makes me conclude she doesn’t have the 75% to eject yet.
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July 28, 2024 11:07am
- kowtow
  
  From the river to the sea
  Tana will be free.
  
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  July 28, 2024 2:02pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    Not free at all. She’s costing us a small fortune.
    
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    July 28, 2024 7:11pm
- newview
  
  The whole discussion with green members is BS
  Tana was a list MP. Not voted in. The greens party should eat shit and use the Waka jumping provision. Just another unnecessary delay that shows how immature they are.
  
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  July 28, 2024 3:06pm
  - greybeard
    
    Of course they are going to use the jumping-ship provision: they always intended to do so but have to prolong the agony because they are going to be seen as hypocrites. “Time heals all wounds” and all that.
    
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    July 28, 2024 4:46pm
    - AitchW
      
      Clearly they don’t know that the best way to remove a Band-Aid is quickly and cleanly…..
      
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      July 28, 2024 5:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This is your very, very, very LAST CHANCE ….

before mummy gets angry and calls the bogeyman…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/523366/watch-greens-say-darleen-tana-given-last-chance-to-resign-before-considering-legal-move
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July 28, 2024 11:42am
- Rich Prick
  
  Why would she leave the best paid job for so little (ie no) work? These Green Party troughers, slave owners, benefit fraudsters and shoplifters really are something else.
  
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  July 28, 2024 12:57pm
  - Taieri
    
    These Green Party troughers, slave owners, benefit fraudsters and shoplifters really are something else
    ———-
    
    And yet, they are still quite popular…
    
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    July 28, 2024 1:47pm
    - AitchW
      
      So very popular that they are in opposition and tearing themselves apart.
      
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      July 28, 2024 3:37pm
      - Taieri
        
        Something like 15% are still prepared to vote for this mob. Wonder why?
        
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        July 28, 2024 4:59pm
  - greybeard
    
    Exactly: as I have previously remarked, her income is keeping her husband’s business afloat. ( Actually, his business has crashed since I posted that, so now she can treat her salary as some sort of unemployment benefit for him . But I suspect that very little of it will pay off their wronged immigrant employees ! )
    
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    July 28, 2024 4:44pm
    - pdm
      
      Is Dana’s hubby still in Denmark or somewhere near there?
      
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      July 28, 2024 8:58pm
- rouppe
  
  She’ll just sit there and say nothing for now.
  
  This means that there’ll be a month before the Greens conference. Let’s assume they invoke the waka jump then.
  
  Greens write to the speaker, and they have to convince the speaker that proportionality has been compromised.
  
  If Tana votes with the Greens between now and then she’ll be able to argue that nothing has changed. So lawyers will be called in, reports written, more time taken.
  
  It could take quite some time before everything comes to a head, even assuming the Greens swallow the dead rat that is the waka jumping law
  
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  July 28, 2024 2:57pm
  - marcw
    
    Darls is doing themself no favours by associating with TPM. If them had declared and voted they was an independent Green, then they would have bought themself some insurance of apparent continued proportionality. At present, they is making it easier to have them “Waka’d” out.
    Typical Green though – absolutely no common sense or strategic ability.
    
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    July 28, 2024 3:35pm
- AitchW
  
  Typical Green indecision. Why bother having a party executive when it can’t make a decision? Why not run everything on referendum?
  Either the executive is gutless or the membership simply doesn’t trust it to make decisions. Neither option speaks to the party as a whole having any credibility.
  
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  July 28, 2024 5:03pm
- Scooter
  
  This word soup in the Newstalk ZB article, she seems to be channeling Kamala.
  
  “We have set up a process in which to make a decision our membership has been brought along for the ride in terms of how we go about setting up that process in the first place,” she said
  
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  July 28, 2024 6:11pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    Dear God.
    
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    July 28, 2024 7:18pm
- Ghost
  
  It seems they are hoping one more letter will make her resign so they don’t have to swallow their dead rat and waka jump her.
  
  Sorry, bad me. They are hoping one more letter to them/they will make them/they resign so they don’t have to swallow a dead rat and waka jump them/they. Oh wait, if they are hoping one more letter to them/they, then they are both they, so are they just writing themself an email. (My brain hurts I need to lay down)
  
  Who do they send the letter to Darlene. Them? They? It? Does she have an offical government email them@parliament.govt.nz?
  
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  July 28, 2024 6:16pm
artemisia

US billionaire Peter Thiel ‘abandons’ Lake Wānaka lodge build

The build had suffered a series of hurdles, including a rejected resource consent from the Queenstown Lakes District Council, and subsequent rejection of an appeal by the Environment Court…. In an earlier decision, Environment Court Judge Prudence Steven said the proposed tree planting would not adequately screen the buildings from several public viewpoints on the nearby public track, and the landscape values of the area’s outstanding natural landscape would not be protected.

Kainga Ora has a deal for his luxury lodge.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/us-billionaire-peter-thiel-abandons-lake-wanaka-lodge-build/D6GURR7ZFZEDLBYDN4SIWOBPMQ/
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July 28, 2024 12:20pm
- Mike
  
  When he bought NZ citizenship, he neglected to buy QLDC.
  
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  July 28, 2024 12:30pm
  - Taieri
    
    he neglected to buy QLDC
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    Not for sale currently. Has been privatized long time ago…
    
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    July 28, 2024 1:47pm
- Steve Todd
  
  That’s good news. But I bet he doesn’t abandon his New Zealand citizenship (which he should never have received — thanks, Nathan Guy).
  
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  July 28, 2024 1:03pm
  - youcanthandlethetruth
    
    Thiel, is very low on that list of people who should never have received citizenship.
    
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    July 28, 2024 1:14pm
  - AitchW
    
    What other citizenship(s) does he enjoy I wonder.
    
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    July 28, 2024 3:38pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Peter Theil is a billionaire genius with strong anti-woke principles and would make a fantastic addition to NZ if we could lure him here. He was a patron of JD Vance through his early political career, and used to employ another genius Eric Weinstein in a senior advisory role.
  
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  July 28, 2024 1:26pm
  - MCōs
    
    The guys got absolutely no loyalty to this country. He hasn’t been here since before he became a ‘citizen’
    
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    July 28, 2024 3:51pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    There is much to admire about Peter Thiel and also much to be highly suspicious of. The man has more power than a medieval Duke. With deep ties to the US Military and Intelligence communities he has the potential to be massively disruptive to NZ society.
    
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    July 28, 2024 7:13pm
  - cmm
    
    Billionaire, genius maybe.
    
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    July 28, 2024 8:06pm
Rich Prick

Hello from deep blue Northern California. No one here likes Kamala. I think Donald will be fine should the word salad generator get the nomination.
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July 28, 2024 12:49pm
- JackRabbit
  
  No-one really liked Biden that much either, but USA voters appear to have very little say in the outcome on an election.
  
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  July 28, 2024 2:01pm
Swifty

Out, out, out (once he’s finished his lag)…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jailed-drug-trafficker-han-zhang-fails-bid-to-remain-in-new-zealand/OZMTWVYBFBH4FMCDHUFXR7JRBM/

A good decision.
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July 28, 2024 2:26pm
- AitchW
  
  Did we manage to deport Karel Sroubek?
  
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  July 28, 2024 3:42pm
Muttonbird

A good example of the malevolent evil running the transphobia movement in the US (and Canada). Imagine relentlessly attacking your own child, for deranged political points.

Get Trump in that picture and you’d have the three most dangerous men in the western world.

I imagine that picture can’t be far off.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/elon-musk-said-his-trans-child-vivian-wilson-was-dead-shes-calling-him-out/E2QI754PURDFPBTS6VZ7O5FMXI/
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July 28, 2024 3:21pm
- Inandout
  
  Mutt, there is no transphobia movement, it is merely oppostion to madness.
  
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  July 28, 2024 3:58pm
  - AitchW
    
    I’d suggest that the real movement is cisphobia.
    The deliberately provocative representation of the last supper during the OG opening ceremony is a perfect example of the cisphobes. They produce this show knowing that millions of viewers will be offended then accuse them of transphobia when they react.
    Pathetic.
    
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    July 28, 2024 4:50pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Muttonbird is doing us a favour by reminding us just how untethered from reality the contemporary left is.
    
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    July 28, 2024 7:26pm
- Swifty
  
  You attack people to make deranged political points all the time on here. Nearly every post of yours in fact.
  
  Take the plank of wood out of your own eye Mutton.
  
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  July 28, 2024 4:44pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    I said imagine attacking your own child, in public, for political points, with Jordan Peterson…think about it.
    
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    July 28, 2024 7:26pm
Steve Todd

Oh no! Cenk reveals what JD Vance really thinks about The Don-old. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvL4kEn8K94. It’s only 20 minutes. So good.

C’mon Kiwibloggers, indulge yourselves. After all, I’ve just spent the last two+ hours watching (on YouTube) the Trump-Vance rally in St. Cloud, Minnesota.
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July 28, 2024 4:04pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Why do you continue to put up posts from the Creepy Sexist Pig Cenk Uygur?
  Do you really think there is nothing wrong with how he behaved and what he said?
  Seriously- what is wrong with you?
  
  Oh and Vance has explained why he changed his mind.
  Do try to keep up.
  
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  July 28, 2024 4:25pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I suspect you continue to post Cenk because I have called you out on it and you are so petty you will keep doing it.
    The thing is you are starting to look like a real creep yourself by supporting the guy.
    Heck, his comments in his diary are just disgusting.
    The way he demeans women is awful.
    Stop for a moment and think what your support says about you.
    
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    July 28, 2024 4:36pm
Chris Nisbet

Well, it didn’t take long for Democrats to go batshit again after the assassination attempt….
Some campaign spokesman says…
“Our democracy is under assault by criminal Donald Trump: After the last election Trump lost, he sent a mob to overturn the results”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-election-2024-donald-trump-faces-backlash-for-in-four-years-you-dont-have-to-vote-again-remark/3HMOYX6ZLNHDTDJUNVMTXNP64M/
NZ Herald seems to be taking it seriously, making it their top story. God, our media are truly awful.
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July 28, 2024 5:59pm
Tasman devil

With apologies to JD Vance te Greens are just childless cat ladies.
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July 28, 2024 6:23pm
Paul Marsden

Tomorrow begins the murder trial of Pauline Hanna.

Is the defence going to argue that it was the ‘vaccine’ that killed Pauline and will they be calling on expert witnesses from around the world in support of their argument?

I note that a three part documentary about this case is already in progress. If the defence does adopt the argument that it was the ‘vaccine’ that killed the deceased, then it will be explosive regardless of whether they are successful, or not.

Whatever the Crown’s case might be, it’s going to be a fascinating argument and by this time tomorrow we should all know.

In the meantime, I only know matters about this case that have been in the public domain and everything about it has rung warning bells for me since day one.
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July 28, 2024 6:23pm
- Jake Dee
  
  Thanks for altering me to that one, I was unaware.
  I guess that is one disadvantage of largely avoiding local MSM, missing out on the latest murder mysteries.
  Well, I have done some reading up on it now and it does look like a “juicy” one. A mysterious cause of death, an affluent and socially prominent doctor, a private investigator, a white Mercedes with a personalized number plate, “the masseuse” (and we all know what that’s a codeword for).
  BTW who parks outside their “masseuse’s” place of business in a white Mercedes with a personalized number plate? Maybe he didn’t care who knew or maybe his physical therapy was of a perfectly respectable sort?
  Now there is a Covid-19 link here as the deceased was involved in the pandemic response. Pauline Hanna was found dead on April 5th, 2021, and the vaccine roll out began on Feb 20th, 2021. As the wife of a doctor and involved in the relief effort (albeit not frontline) it is possible, even likely that she had a dose.
  However, even if she did die from an adverse side effect of the vaccine, I simply can’t see any advantage in the defense pursuing that line. Any fatal side effect would look extremely similar to a natural cause of death, heart attack, blood clot etc. Because the science linking any specific death to the vaccine is highly contested, there is no advantage for the defense to say, “Pauline Hanna died of a heart attack caused by the Covid vaccine” when they could just say “Pauline Hanna was a 63-year-old woman who had a very stressful life and died of a heart attack”.
  Suicide is of course another possibility.
  I think the prosecution will argue that Dr. Polkinghorne administered some exotic poison/medicine that mimicked a natural death, or possibly staged her suicide.
  But I will keep watching, plenty of “Agatha Christie” stuff here.
  
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  July 28, 2024 8:51pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m confident Maggie Pie will keep us updated about this trial.
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:15pm
  - graham
    
    Keep in mind that Philip Polkinghorne is an eye surgeon. I don’t know how much he would know about exotic medicines etc.
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:58pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      As Sherlock Holmes said of the evil Dr. Grimesby Roylott in the Adventure of the Speckled Band, “When a doctor does go wrong, he is the first of criminals. He has nerve and he has knowledge.”
      
      This is where I get most of my theories about murders from, Sherlock Holmes and Hercule Poirot.
      
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      July 28, 2024 10:51pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    The NZ Herald ran the story that Pauline died the day after she had received the ‘vaccine’ and on the eve of the roll out of it in NZ. They subsequently withdrew the story at the the request of the family, who were concerned that it would have a negative affect on the roll out in NZ. Whatever the facts might be, if you believe that the family requested that, then you believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden.
    
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    July 28, 2024 10:15pm
- MCōs
  
  “Tomorrow begins the murder trial of Pauline Hanna”
  Not quite right. She was the victim of the alleged murder
  It’s the murder trial of Dr Polkinghorne
  
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  July 28, 2024 10:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, Oh Dear…

the Greens are splitting along ethnic/cultural lines

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350358045/ruptures-emerge-over-greens-handling-darleen-tana
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July 28, 2024 7:32pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Snap!
  
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  July 28, 2024 7:35pm
- AitchW
  
  Oh dear. How sad, never mind.
  
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  July 28, 2024 7:40pm
- Ghost
  
  So there will be a greens them party and a greens they party?
  
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  July 28, 2024 7:53pm
  - pdm
    
    But no Greens Him or Her party.
    
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    July 28, 2024 9:11pm
- cmm
  
  Dark Greens and Light Greens?
  
  None so racist as those that shout racism.
  
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  July 28, 2024 8:02pm
Pope Punctilious II

Grab some more popcorn, because the Darleen Tana furore just gets better and better. Hilarious to see the Greens hoist by their identitarian petard.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350358045/ruptures-emerge-over-greens-handling-darleen-tana

In a few weeks time will there be two Green parties? A “Tangata te Tiriti” Greens, and a Tangata Whenua/Pasifika Greens?
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July 28, 2024 7:35pm
- AitchW
  
  Green Greens and Greener Greens?
  
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  July 28, 2024 8:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

If I can remember colour addition & subtraction theory..

Red + Green = Brown
therefore:
Green – Brown = Red

The Green co-leaders had intentionally smeared Tana’s character, integrity and mana, the trio said.

Laufiso, Aiono and Tavola also said former MP Elizabeth Kerekere had been subjected to “disappointingly disgusting” treatment, and the Greens had shown blatant disregard for the Pasifika network following the death of Fa’anānā Efeso Collins.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/523412/three-greens-quit-over-party-s-treatment-of-darleen-tana
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July 28, 2024 8:54pm
- pdm
  
  Whoop de doo!!!
  
  Looks like Chloe and Marama are managing to rip the Green Party apart from the top.
  
  Many have tried but none have been even remotely as successful.
  
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  July 28, 2024 9:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Marama may be forced to choose sides.
    
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  Of course Kerekere‘s husband would say that. Alofa Aiono is married to kerekere
  
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    I’m pretty sure Elizabeth Kerekere does not refer to her Civil Union partner as her husband,
    
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      Oh, Alofa Is a female name. lol.
      
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