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NeverMindTheBollocks

In news that will be no surprise to Benedict, it’s not just NZ that is way off its emission reduction target.

“There appears to be a divorce between climate targets and reality. In fact, this divorce has been a hallmark of transition efforts, which have seen governments make ever more ambitious pledges regardless of what it is possible to do within the physical constraints of the world we live in.”

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Net-Zero-Ambitions-Hit-Major-Roadblocks-in-Europe-UK-and-US.html
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July 26, 2024 8:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They would not dare to bullshit us would they?//
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:39am
  - CJames
    
    No it’s not bullshit Steve. They are just gaslighting us, with the media/ politicians in every country telling their citizens that the rest of the world is pulling its weight and we are the only ones who aren’t.
    
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    July 26, 2024 8:42am
    - kowtow
      
      Only we’re running out of that gas for the lights.
      
      Another huge story that te media paahti spends so little time on .
      
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      July 26, 2024 8:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      // means sarc.
      
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      July 26, 2024 9:20am
- I remember when
  
  Climate activists glue themselves to Cologne-Bonn Airport runway as part of Europe-wide protest: Euro News.
  
  Obviously for them the problem is plane.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:33am
  - AitchW
    
    Paint them orange and let them stay there.
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:54am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I wonder how many politicians in New Zealand can explain what the “net” in net zero means? 🤡
  
  That aside, yes the wheels will fall off net zero well before 2030.
  
  New Zealand has unique problems. Despite trying for 25 years, we can’t reduce agriculture emissions in any meaningful way. Right there that is game over.
  
  Anyway Chris Luxon wants nothing to do with this charade this term of government. He will just hope the wheels fall off in other countries first.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:33am
  - cmm
    
    “Despite trying for 25 years, we can’t reduce agriculture emissions in any meaningful way.”
    
    Well we could by introducing a new way of accounting for things which better reflects reality.
    
    All the woke politicians are like Luxon. They don’t want to address the problem or do anything at all controversial. They just hope they can kick the can down the road so it doesn’t explode on their watch.
    
    THat’s why we get all these massive commitments for 2030 or 2050 or whatever. It is so easy to make commitments that you don’t have to deliver on. In the mean time you can take the credit for being “visionary” etc.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:38am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Well we could by introducing a new way of accounting for things which better reflects reality.”
      
      We cannot do that. Because the New Zealand government is contractually bound to use the same methodology as every other country.
      
      You may wish it otherwise, but that is reality.
      
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      July 26, 2024 10:46am
      - Don Beckett
        
        The government can change it. Simple.
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:23am
      - cmm
        
        “We cannot do that. Because the New Zealand government is contractually bound to use the same methodology as every other country.”
        
        Of course we can choose to do so. There might be commercial etc consequences, but seeing everyone is in the same stupid self-constructed boat everyone will likely change.
        
        This is just stupid politics. We’re not talking about the laws of physics.
        
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        July 26, 2024 12:54pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        If the government did so, New Zealand’s greenhouse inventory would be rejected by the UNFCCC. New Zealand would be ejected from the Paris Accord, the only country in the world to be outside the Accord.
        
        So you are not being realistic. That is never going to happen. New Zealand is not going to make up its own methodology to calculate the emissions inventory submitted for the Paris Accord.
        
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        July 26, 2024 9:17pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That’s not true, there is rye grasses now that reduce emissions by 33%, there are also microbes that do the job as well, but they are GM, do you not remember them saying these tools will be given to farmers to do their bit, we have to pass laws to change GM editing.
      
      Don’t be like the knobs and think everything can be done at once
      
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      July 26, 2024 1:47pm
      - AitchW
        
        Green Party: hindering progress since forever.
        They don’t ever pontificate on the gm dope they smoke……
        
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        July 26, 2024 3:52pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Are you actually addressing me?
        
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        July 26, 2024 9:18pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Shouldn’t it be nett?
    
    National still want to roll out 10,000 charging stations for EVs.
    EV sales are dropping rapidly and the only EV charger manufacturer in NZ is leaving for Aussie.
    Luxon better have a good reason to continue with his $257,000,000 plan
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:40am
    - cmm
      
      Well it will make him look good to his mates.
      
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      July 26, 2024 12:55pm
    - wsk12345
      
      I’m pretty sure it’s subject to a CBA per the ACT coalition agreement.
      
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      July 26, 2024 1:50pm
  - Burtland
    
    climate change hits reality
    – seems Rod Carr used girl math to do the budgets
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:50am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      I listened to Rod tell Michael Laws a while back that it made economic sense to rid ourselves of FF.
      Seems like nonsense to me.
      
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      July 26, 2024 10:52am
  - AitchW
    
    Do we really have net agricultural emissions?
    All that grass, all that bush in unproductive gulleys, all those shelter belts, all those fields of maize, do they not gobble up that horrible CO2 which is greening deserts and increasing crop yields?
    According to a chart I saw on some government publication agriculture emits 50% of our greenhouse gases. I say bullshit to that.
    I’m tired of hearing from the Greens and their useful idiots that farmers are polluters.
    Do these idiots whining about global boiling not understand that farmers feed us?
    And our farmers feed millions overseas as well. By growing grass and feed crops which suck far more greenhouse gases than or cows could ever burp.
    I’d love to see Chloe or Menendez March stand in front of a room full of farmers and tell them that they are naughty polluters and they have to do better. It’ll never happen.
    Rant over.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:52am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “I’d love to see Chloe or Menendez March stand in front of a room full of farmers and tell them that they are naughty polluters and they have to do better.”
      
      You do realise that Fontera already gives that message to its farmers?
      
      https://www.fonterra.com/nz/en/our-stories/media/fonterra-announces-climate-plans-for-the-future.html#:~:text=Fonterra%20commits%20to%20reduce%20its,(from%20a%20FY18%20baseline).
      
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      July 26, 2024 10:49am
      - Matt Long
        
        Also the levy funded organisations did the same thing, which resulted in a big clean out at the board level at Beef and Lamb, and some changes at Dairy NZ.
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:18am
      - AitchW
        
        Perhaps, but at least Fonterra offers some practical solutions like fencing waterways. The Greens usual solution is more taxes and levies. (Levies being taxes in drag.)
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:24am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Fencing waterways does not reduce emissions.
        
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        July 26, 2024 9:20pm
    - otago-man
      
      Hear hear AitchW, grass absorbs enormous amounts of co2 but is not counted in the calculations, the whole climate change frenzy is full of doctored statistics to suit those who are shouting the loudest
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:22am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Otago
        Correct
        It would be hard to find a country that is covered by such a high percentage of vegetation with such a sparse population and minimal industry.
        
        If NZ isn’t carbon dioxide negative then I would like to know what country is?
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:41am
      - AitchW
        
        Not to mention the 8 million hectares of bush under DOC control. How much CO2 does that gobble up every day? Is that considered when our emissions are calculated? What about the CO2 absorbed by the sea in our economic zone?
        Our emissions are probably negative if these were to be taken into account along with the thousands of hectares in urban gardens, lawns, parks, playing fields and golf courses.
        Is that the REAL inconvenient truth, we’re being punished for emissions that don’t happen?
        
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        July 26, 2024 3:59pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Hands up who wants to pay loads of money so we can lead a crappier lifestyle?
  Hands up who wants expensive energy and the constant threat of blackouts when the wind refuses to blow on those cold mornings that refuse to disappear despite decades of global boiling?
  Yet this is exactly what politicians want us to do. What was it that Simon Upton said in that speech the other day? – “Change is costly”, and “Degrowth won’t be an easy sell”.
  No shit, Sherlock.
  Note that as it stands we’ve spent trillions of dollars doing this energy transition thing, managed to drop FF use percentage by just one or two points, and this will have been getting rid of the low-hanging fruit. Imagine how much it will cost when we start getting to the tough part.
  Q: How much have these trillions of dollars changed the climate so far?
  A: Not a jot.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:42am
  - AitchW
    
    Don’t forget that our dairy farmers have to lose 20% of their herds so that the milk they would have produced will instead be produced in some far less efficient shit hole!
    We can afford to drop 2o% of our dairy income cos the Greens said so.//////
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:55am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      An advisor to James Shaw in the last government told me that if New Zealand reduced its dairy herd, other countries would not fill that gap. The world would instead consume less dairy. I’m serious.
      
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      July 26, 2024 10:52am
      - AitchW
        
        I suspect that the less credible parties tend to appoint ‘advisers’ to tell them what they want to hear so that they can continue to spout their communist bs with a clear conscience.
        
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        July 26, 2024 10:56am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Not any more they don’t, and fencing waterways was not a Fontera project, it was the previous Nat government that interceded it, and PGGW had a lot of input, farmers were happy to get on board, and it was not compulsory
      
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      July 26, 2024 2:23pm
      - AitchW
        
        G, this link takes you to a story confirming that Fonterra required its suppliers to fence waterways 10 years ago. Not sure what they’re doing now to reduce emissions on farm, perhaps there’s a Fonterra supplier here who could enlighten us.
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/rural/92642/fonterra-makes-waterway-fencing-compulsory
        
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        July 26, 2024 4:04pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Hands up who wants to pay loads of money so we can lead a crappier lifestyle?”
    
    Yes but folk don’t understand that. If Curia ran a poll “Do you support the Zero Carbon Act?”.. support would be a clear majority.
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:54am
    - Don Beckett
      
      “Zero Carbon Act” is a ridiculous title. Life on this earth is based on Carbon so it is therefore impossible to attain zero carbon.
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:31am
      - sirknz
        
        Not impossible, it just means that there would be nothing left alive, on the surface at least.
        
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        July 26, 2024 12:03pm
    - pdm
      
      I am a big fan of NATURE correcting things.
      
      It has always done so in the past – the very long past, like since time began.
      
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      July 26, 2024 12:30pm
    - CJames
      
      BY
      That is because they are asked the wrong question. Say to them the Zero Carbon Act will mean your income will drop and you will have to stop taking plane flights or driving your petrol driven car and electricity will be more expensive. Do you support that Act. What do you think the Yes vote would be? North of 5%.
      The politicians will not tell the population what the actual effect will be because they (including even the Greens) know there will be no support. Electoral poison. So the charade continues.
      
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      July 26, 2024 12:47pm
    - AitchW
      
      BY, I wonder if that’s correct? There are plenty of people who understand the implications of that act and oppose it.
      Perhaps if you were to conduct the poll on a bunch of brainwashed 14 year old there would be overwhelming support. Poll some grownups and it would be a different story.
      
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      July 26, 2024 4:07pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  There are votes in promising action on climate change. There are not votes in actually imposing the costs and restrictions need to make it happen. But that doesn’t matter if you set goals far enough in the future that some other government will be in power when the deadline arrives.
  
  Actually you could say this about other things too. Voters need to be smarter than they currently are and the media need to help more with that.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:46am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Why is anyone surprised, the sugar rush is from making the commitment – and it can be made again and again – because it show how much we care.
  
  Doing it, not so much.
  
  Isn’t this the entire strategy of the previous government – hope, captains calls and (allegedly) kindness are, regrettably not a substitute for hard yakka (or even Mahi if you are so inclined) in the real world.
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:14am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Jennifer Aniston was very happy being America’s sweetheart for many years. Key to that role was not having children.

She epitomises Vance’s point about childless women having buyer’s remorse.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/523180/jennifer-aniston-criticises-jd-vance-s-childless-cat-ladies-comment
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July 26, 2024 8:04am
- Conservatarian
  
  But she got to make a series of incredible romcoms instead of having Brad Pitt’s children.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:54am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Even so, its an unforced error.
  
  Vance should shut up now, Women already know exactly how Kamala got her “professional” start, and to compound that she is explicitly a DEI hire, who the Democrats are having to stage a coup to install.
  
  Women will tear her down all by themselves, but if a man does it, they will have no choice but to close ranks.
  
  He isn’t wrong about childless cat ladies though!
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:20am
  - Mike
    
    Hah! You say Vance should shut up while repeating lots of the lies about Harris.
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:57am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Which lies Mike?
      
      The affair with Willie Brown that got her the AG job and Senate positions in California?
      
      The VP pick from a President who stated he would only select a “woman of colour”?
      
      The weird candidate “selection” process without a Primary or a Vote, where the incumbent is too sick to be re-elected but not too sick to stay on?
      
      Those lies? Or are there others I have missed?
      
      I didn’t even get onto the weird shift from being a Carribean-Indian woman, to being the first black VP.
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:19am
      - pdm
        
        deity – an impertinent question.
        
        Did Willie Brown have a Brown Willie?
        
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        July 26, 2024 12:32pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Which points are lies Mike?
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:19am
- wsk12345
  
  Sorry mate. I’m in my 59s, happily married with no kids and I have ZERO regrets. I have several friends who feel exactly the same. I don’t hate kids, I have nieces and nephews and even a grandchild. I’m not obsessed with a career or anything like that, i don’t spend my life in cafes and restaurants, I just never had any hankering to reproduce. Just as many men do not.
  
  We are all on a spectrum with this as with everything. Some men are hugely maternal and some women are not. Doesn’t make any of us bad people. Don’t be so judgmental.
  
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  July 26, 2024 1:57pm
Simon

Biden supposedly got 81 million votes. But when Biden became inconvenient the Dem machinery backed by MSM flushed him down the shitter. Just like that.

He’s gone. What do you mean he’s gone? He’s gone and that is that.

That’s history. Quite remarkable. It will probably take another 10 or 20 yrs or so before the victors can write the history of this grubby coup.
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July 26, 2024 8:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Right now the Democrats have over 100 million filled in ballots with the wrong name on them.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:24am
  - Ian Boag
    
    If you say something often enough it must be true … 🙂
    
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    July 27, 2024 8:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Do you have some info that it is not true?
      Democrats are well known for ballot harvesting.
      
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      July 27, 2024 9:13am
Matt Long

This is interesting, elderly people in suburban USA making thousands of donations a year, amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars per, to democrat fundraisers, according to the FEC
Appears to be a Swiss billionaire for one laundering donations to dodge scrutiny.
Expect the legacy media to go big on this in 3, 2, 1 never.
https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1815806295196234162
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July 26, 2024 8:08am
- Mike
  
  It’s almost as if the supreme court’s decision was wrong in Citizens United.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:23am
  - Matt Long
    
    I missed that decision Mike, did it say political operatives can break large chunks of foreign election interference into small $5 donations , sometimes multiple per day from people who never donated them and have no knowledge of it?
    
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    July 26, 2024 8:39am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Citizens United gives non-individuals the right to make donations etc.
    This case is about a non-citizen hiding $20m through 400,000 non-consenting donors.
    You realise Citizens United is completely irrelevant in this case right?
    Even if it was legally ok, it’s still dodgy and warrants looking into.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:06am
    - Mike
      
      If it was ‘legally ok’, how would it be dodgy, apart from you not liking the destination of the funds?
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:00am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Because it’s a foreign agent funneling money through other people as tiny donations to hide his identity.
        Even if it’s legal, it’s still in the public interest to know that the money’s coming from a foreign source and why so much work was being done to hide it.
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The names of those elderly donators are already printed on ballots voting Democrat. That’s 1.6 million votes!
  The cheating fix is in. Getting as bad as the Manurewa Marae.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:33am
  - Grunter
    
    This will only get worse as the US heads to their Nov election. The Deep State (and the Dems) will do anything to stop Trump. Anything….
    
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    July 26, 2024 8:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Anything including assassination. They just missed one attempt. The show is not over.
      Best get a new Secret Service rulebook and throw DEI out the window.
      
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      July 26, 2024 9:32am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  Example: Kerry Alberti is 79 years old and lives in an inexpensive Virginia apartment. We are to believe that since 2019 she has donated to Democrats 22,619 times, for a total of just under $840,000.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:26am
- NothingLeft
  
  Pretty sure this is (D)ifferent from a legal standpoint, and so not worthy of investigation or prosecution.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:54am
NeverMindTheBollocks

I’ve never previously paid any attention to Kamala Harris; but having become the likely Democrat Presidential nominee, her photo is all over the place.

I note that she is described as part Indian and part Afro Caribbean; but I have to say that she is barely black. You’d have to think there is some Caucasian in there also, though trumpeting that would be off-message. Compared to, say, Michelle Obama, Kamala looks like she just has over applied the bronzer or has a bit of a tan.

If I was a US citizen descended from slaves, I think I’d be disappointed that Kamala is the flag bearer for black Americans.
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July 26, 2024 8:09am
- Swifty
  
  Her ancestors were slave owners.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:32am
  - PurplePen
    
    Sins of the father … something about not being meted out on the son, surely ..or daughter.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:59am
    - Swifty
      
      Oh I quite agree, it’s ridiculous – blaming one for the sins of their ancestors.
      
      But it’s what the left do ALL the time and they show no signs of stopping. If anything it’s getting worse.
      
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      July 26, 2024 10:10am
      - Swifty
        
        Sorry, ‘But it’s what the left do ALL the time’ – except if you’re Maori then the left will give you an automatic pass, every time.
        
        Bring up historical Maori misdeeds and the left goes silent or tries to change the subject.
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:13am
- Mike
  
  The crazies said the same thing about Obama: Not Black Enough.
  https://www.brunswickgroup.com/racial-judgment-equality-i17815/
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:37am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Well, heres a Black Radio host giving a reason why Blacks dont like Kamala
    Spoiler- She has a white husband…
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/07/24/radio-host-got-brutally-honest-on-why-black-voters-never-really-liked-kamala-harris-n2642443
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:28am
    - Mike
      
      Speaking for all blacks? Checks out.
      
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      July 26, 2024 9:47am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Isn’t he the guy who adopted the broad (not specific) ethno-cultural identity of his father who abandoned him, but not of his mother who did not abandon him?
    
    This is a brave decision, because I heard there is definitely no advantage in the modern US in being capital B black.
    
    “Identity Politics is great when we do it, but you guys are not allowed to mention it.”
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:39am
- Blackbob
  
  Her family owned slaves… just saying 🙂
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:43am
- kowtow
  
  Any talk of her Irish slave owning ancestor.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:48am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    He wasn’t just a slave owner. He actively hated William Wilberforce and fought against the banning of slavery in the British Empire.
    
    He was one of the bad ones.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:08am
    - Mike
      
      Now do your family tree. All libertarians were they?
      
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      July 26, 2024 9:49am
      - Swifty
        
        FFS.
        
        I don’t see ‘Libertarians are right’ running for high political office on the back of ‘holier than thou’ rhetoric and grifting off the slavery and racial equity issue.
        
        You’re slipping Mike.
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:11am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Mike – I don’t judge people for what their ancestors did. Her problem is that the Democrat voters do, very much. That is why her ancestry is relevant.
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:36am
      - Mike
        
        Hah! How many ‘Democrat voters’ do you think would refuse to vote for her on those grounds? I expect it would be a similar number to ‘Republican voters’ refusing to vote for Trump due to his racism.
        
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        July 26, 2024 3:48pm
    - kowtow
      
      ‘He was one of the bad ones.’
      
      No , he was simply a man of his times .
      
      We nearly all of us each and everyone will either be descended from slaves or slave owners and even both .
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:13am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        A slave owner is “a man of his times” (Jefferson etc).
        Someone who actively seeks to perpetuate that by standing against reformation is worse than “a man of his times” because he’s actually going against the prevailing mood of those times.
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:23am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    It’s also worth noting that as AG and a Prosecutor, she loved throwing young black men in jail for 5-10 years for weed possession and keeping them in past their sentence so they could be used for cheap labour.
    Apparently she got the slavery gene.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:16am
    - kowtow
      
      Creepy Joe voted for that crime bill back in the day that increased incarceration rates enormously.
      
      “You ain’t black……..”
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:14am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Yeah, but he also fought against allowing black kids to be in the same schools as white kids because he didn’t want his kids growing up “in a jungle”.
        Joe Biden comes across less racist now than when he had all of his wits.
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:25am
- Lance
  
  So no comments on her policies, principles or proposals… just what her skin tone looks like.
  Deep… really deep. //
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:06am
  - Mike
    
    It’s a scattergun approach: the republicans know that their most fervent supporters are locked in to despise an Afro-Asian woman, so the main thing will be to find other insults etc and see which ones test well with ‘the base’.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:53am
    - All_on_Red
      
      “the Republicans know”
      Citation needed
      You’re so cute with your Conspiracy theory because you have asserted, without evidence, that republicans despise Asian Africans
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:03am
      - Mike
        
        I notice you left out ‘woman’. Do we really need to investigate voting stats?
        
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        July 26, 2024 3:50pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Mike: “republicans know that their most fervent supporters are locked in to despise an Afro-Asian woman”
      
      Total BS.
      
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      July 29, 2024 7:13pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    “So no comments on her policies, principles or proposals…”
    
    Good luck.
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:39am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Her biggest strengths are her race and gender unfortunately (because they are important to some people as shown by Mike pointing out that some Republicans are racist). If she gets in, outside of general hatred of Trump, that’s what will win it for her.
    
    In policy terms:
    She’s an utter failure on the border.
    She’s left of Bernie
    (and yes, I get that the Democrats have tried to scrub the internet of both of those facts)
    She simply doesn’t have anything going for her with regards to “policies, principles or proposals”.
    
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    July 26, 2024 11:31am
    - Lance
      
      Fair comment.
      Although there is the factor that many think Trump makes some outrageous comments and talks authoritarian, and she is not Trump.
      
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      July 26, 2024 12:31pm
      - Mike
        
        Well, “I’m not Trump” immediately evokes a lot of positive characteristics, like not being a moronic, lying, racist, fraudulent, sex pest.
        
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        July 26, 2024 3:53pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    For the record, I don’t give a rat’s arse what colour Kamala is. It’s not me who’s pushing her as the first woman of colour (yadda yadda) to be President. What amuses me is that she’s in the running to be the first woman President and also the first white woman President, and yet neither of these labels is applied to her.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:41pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  We have that going on in NZ too….Rawiri worrying about blood quantum to be the right sort of maori all the while Debbies mummy if full blown white irish.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Many Black Americans have left the Plantation and joined the Trump camp. Nov 5th will be a surprise for some on the left.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:36am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Biden, and now Harris, shows how inconsequential the office of the president has become.
    
    Does anyone seriously think that the people who have been managing Biden will somehow withdraw and let Harris start making decisions?
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Biden was Obama’s puppet. Harris is not Obama’s puppet, she is too stupid and unpredictable. Obama will not get a 4th term.
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:40am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Isn’t it sad when you need a senile dementia sufferer to sell your ideology.
        Imagine the frustration at Harris being the replacement.
        
        I think China and Russia have won a temporary victory.
        But we will never hear that from the media.
        
        Bring on Trump.
        
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        July 26, 2024 12:48pm
  - AitchW
    
    Some Maori are more equal than others.
    
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    July 26, 2024 11:01am
    - Paulus
      
      No, No, No, All Maori are more equal than others, the tatts and fats ladies, and those designating superiority, the Moko, now on many younger women.
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:30am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Moko was once for someone of some status, a leader etc.
        Now the Moko is like a library card, anyone can get one.
        When will the transistors start getting inked?
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:42am
      - pdm
        
        So right Steve.
        
        Our 80plus former neighbour (she died 3 years ago) of Maori descent was disgusted with the number of young people flaunting a Moko.
        
        She was strongly of the same view as you say – a Moko must be earned
        
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        July 26, 2024 12:41pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        How is it earned?
        
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        July 26, 2024 12:52pm
- Handyman
  
  In San Francisco, Harris always described herself as Indian-American. She was never “black” around real blacks such as her lover and democrat kingmaker Brown. Harris was Brown’s public social partner so you have to ask what was in it for him (politically). Harris gave Brown access to the uber wealthy cool Silicon Valley donor class. (75% of Silicon Valley employees work for companies headed by Indians.)
  
  Harris only became “black” when running for president in 2020.
  
  Hariss was raised by her Indian mother in an Indian American culture. Her father had Irish/Jamaican/African ancestry and came from slave owning money.
  Both parents were well paid Berkley professors and Harris never experienced any deprivation in her life.
  
  Harris certainly is unburdened by the truth that has gone before.
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:47am
  - Mike
    
    #notblackenough is not an argument likely to resonate with minorities.
    #sleptherwaytothetop is not an argument likely to resonate with working women.
    These arguments only play well to people who would never vote for a successful Afro-Asian-American woman anyway.
    
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    July 26, 2024 11:06am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Speaking for all minorities and working women? Checks out
      Lol
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:18am
    - Handyman
      
      The salient point about the affair was that Harris has never actually been elected in a contested election.
      Brown appointed her as the democrat AG and Senator. In Democrat California there has not been a Republican statewide official elected for 25 years, so Brown’s nod was all that was needed. (We have just seen how the Democrat elites ignore internal democracy. )
      
      Note how often Harris refers to “being elected” to AG. She feels the weakness.
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:41am
      - Mike
        
        How was she not elected? And is it really her problem that Democrats are elected in California? Perhaps she should have moved to Kentucky or Mississippi to seek election.
        
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        July 26, 2024 4:06pm
Maggie Pie

The *OLYMPIC TORCH* arrives in France.

For the first time in history, three drag queens will carry the Olympic flame.

https://tiktok.com/@pinknews/video/7369967782571560224

‘Gay Paree’ takes on a whole new meaning 😀 😀 😀
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July 26, 2024 8:09am
- Matt Long
  
  Yeah, will anyone watch the Olympics? I’ve never been less interested.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:15am
  - pdm
    
    Probably once the main sports get underway.
    
    From 6am until coverage stops is `user friendly’ for us.
    
    Definitely will not be getting up in the middle of the night.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:18am
    - Biscuit
      
      pdm, blessedly we’re going to be spared the haka after the Men’s Rugby Sevens Final!
      
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      July 26, 2024 9:48am
      - pdm
        
        So true Biscuit.
        
        Then again 6th, 7th or 8th might mean success for some of them.
        
        Time to bring back Gordon Tietjens.
        
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        July 26, 2024 12:43pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    The Rob, Rape, Riot olympics are more fun.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:33am
    - sirknz
      
      Watching or contesting?
      
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      July 26, 2024 12:25pm
  - Clyde
    
    For some reason I haven’t yet figured out, I couldn’t be less interested. NZ will probably win a few medals in sports that are not played much anywhere else, but my belief is that by tacking on “sports” like artistic swimming it is becoming a nonsense.
    
    I don’t believe that the Olympics should include ANY team sports, nor any sport that is decided by judges. The original concept was higher, further, faster or something like that, so anything like a panel of partisan judges deciding on a performance like diving or artistic swimming should be confined to their own world champs.
    
    Team sports have their own world champs and these have much higher significance than something staged for the sake of it.
    
    Quite honestly, I have no desire to watch all that much that is happening in Paris.
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:15am
    - Biscuit
      
      Clyde, I agree with you on competitions that have their own world championships not being part of the Olympic Games.
      
      Rowing, e.g., has a world championships each and every bloody year…
      
      The excrement will smack into the apparatus with rotating blades that creates a current of air soon, I reckon, for the Olympic Games.
      
      The 2028 Olympic Games will be held (for the third time, yawn) in Los Angeles.
      
      And the folk organising that bunfest propose holding the Athletics events, traditionally the mainstay of Olympicism, in the first week and not, as is usual, in the climactic second/third weeks,
      
      World Athletics are, predictably, not best pleased and there are mutterings that they should secede from the Olympic movement and hold annual or biannual World Championships of their own.
      
      That’d get more interest from me than 69% of the current sports on the Olympic programme…
      
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      July 26, 2024 12:55pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Mind the hair spray doesn’t catch fire.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:20am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  I preferred the world when transvestites kept to themselves instead of being paraded around in some sort of mental health expose
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is it them again Yogi?
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:39am
Souvlaki

It seems to me, the Karakia being pushed on unwilling staff is yet another form of “institutional abuse”…no one will dare speak out because of the risk of persecution & being labelled racist!

…the behaviour at the DHBs should be under the blowtorch too!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/act-party-wants-te-whatu-ora-staff-to-ditch-karakia/SLONF7OU4FC5VF7TIAWE4EHL6U/
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- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Are you trying to liken this to abuse in state care?
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:14am
  - rouppe
    
    Are you trying to suggest that no one can use the term “abuse” anymore unless it involves one of those previous institutions?
    
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    July 26, 2024 8:39am
    - Mike
      
      I’m suggesting he is likening karakia to harmful sexual abuse. But let him answer.
      
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      July 26, 2024 9:56am
      - imalwaysright
        
        You should read what he said: “… yet another form of “institutional abuse””
        
        That’s a fair point. The word “institution” may have triggered your reaction.
        
        But on the other hand you have referred to “abuse in state care”.
        
        Employees aren’t in care, but they are being required to take part in an ideology that they may have objections to yet have limited power to reject without repercussions.
        
        In some ways that is a fair analogy of the treatment of the children, notwithstanding it being of far less seriousness.
        
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        July 26, 2024 10:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    One thing we should have learnt is that bad things can happen under the cloaks of sanctimony and group think.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:57am
    - Mike
      
      You might be talking about the Kiwiblog hive mind.
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:07am
      - All_on_Red
        
        You know you’re on KB a lot eh…
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:20am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Yes, there does seem to be a hivemind on kb.
        
        Any departure from the flock opinion results in wolf whistles. Literally .
        
        It seems that being wrong is forgiven, as long as it is done as a group.
        
        Being right, on ones own, is tantamount to heresy.
        
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        July 26, 2024 1:01pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Nick from ZURU ain’t afraid to call them out!
  
  https://x.com/NMowbray23/status/1816391810731905297
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:19am
  - Yabster
    
    Nick for PM!!
    
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    July 26, 2024 8:51am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The seething leftie blob will find a way to come after him.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:58am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    It is literally everywhere, and useful idiots like Paddy Gower are trying to pretend that karakia are not prayers.
    
    This Deity of course is deeply in favour of simply acknowledging the return of State sanctioned religion to its rightful place at the centre of professional discourse.
    
    After all, we are required to believe in Climate change, that Mataurangi Maori is as valid as empirical science, and that cultural reports demonstrate remorse, so why not believe in Taniwha too?
    
    And remember, as Shane Jones said, all Ngāpuhi Taniwha are GST registered.
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:29am
    - Conservatarian
      
      Yes, that was priceless. Gower was indignant on HDPA’s panel show at suggestions that the Maori prayer is not a prayer. HDPA gamely suggested he was wrong, and he retorted that she should “Google it!” (this is also a common leftist prayer).
      
      She (her producer) did just that midshow and read out three definitions under which the Maori prayer is defined, unsurprisingly, as a prayer.
      
      Superb moment.
      
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      July 26, 2024 1:02pm
      - Scooter
        
        When faced with his stupidity when HDPA reads out the definition of Karakia, Gower meekly says “I just don’t think of it as a prayer” and he’s a so called journalist. What a plonker.
        
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        July 26, 2024 6:49pm
- kowtow
  
  There’s a huge story around how nuts and expensive “the spirit of the water’ policy will cost Otago communities , via the Loons on the regional council there .
  
  But where’s the coverage .
  
  It starts with a little “ki ora” or ‘na mihi’ and ends with the constitution being overthrown , by stealth .
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Todd Stephenson “If you are so opposed to karakia, will you oppose the prayer said in Parliament?”
  Parliament is not a Hospital.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    “If you are so opposed to karakia, will you oppose the prayer said in Parliament?”
    
    Yes, yes, and yes.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:59am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Indeed. Why are there prayers in Parliament?
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:01am
      - Mike
        
        Coz that magic is okay?
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:08am
      - kowtow
        
        It is an ancient tradition and part of our shared democratic history and culture .
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:17am
    - imalwaysright
      
      I don’t oppose anyone saying their prayers, but it would be good if they practiced what they preach.
      Except Islam
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The whole Public Sector is infested with activists. This has been in the planning for years.
  
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  July 26, 2024 11:47am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Nobody was asking what the universities were “teaching”.
    
    Except Helen.
    
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    July 26, 2024 1:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

MTG conspiracy theory?

“I don’t care what anyone says about me saying this, because everyone knows we are all thinking it. Fine call me a conspiracy theorist. I don’t give a d***. The insane left have been fantasizing out loud about killing Trump for years. Prove me wrong,” Greene added.

Personally I think shooter Crooks was groomed. Also he was photographed with a rangefinder, and how did he get a disassembled gun past security?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/marjorie-taylor-greene-s-latest-conspiracy-comments-signal-a-larger-problem-for-u-s/ss-BB1qC7cG#image=11
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- Mike
  
  Yes, it’s a conspiracy theory. The shooting is being investigated. How about wait for the FBI to report further? Greene’s opinions should be treated the same as her other opinions.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:18am
  - graham
    
    Comment 1: “Yes, it’s a conspiracy theory.” No ifs, buts, or maybes from Mike there.
    
    Comment 2: “The shooting is being investigated. How about wait for the FBI to report further?”
    
    😂
    
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    July 26, 2024 8:51am
    - Mike
      
      It’s a conspiracy theory because Greene has asserted, without evidence, that there was a conspiracy.
      
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      July 26, 2024 9:57am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Perhaps hypothesis would be a better term.
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:14am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I agree with Mike for once.
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:02am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yep
        MTG is an idiot and that’s NOT a Theory
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:22am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I’m sure she will be losing sleep now that you have declared her an idiot.
        
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        July 26, 2024 1:07pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Idiocy just isn’t confined to the Democrats
        Its a bit like someone who has the hubris to call themselves ‘I’m always right’ when clearly they’re not…
        
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        July 26, 2024 3:09pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        “Idiocy just isn’t confined to the Democrats”
        
        Well put.
        
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        July 26, 2024 5:25pm
  - Grunter
    
    Mike – you may as well wait for a Stuff opinion piece on what happened – it would be as accurate as the FBI coverup report.
    
    This scam is so obvious it’s laughable. Anyone who believes this nut job was a lone wolf shooter as described by MSM just isn’t thinking straight.
    
    Trump will be stopped at all costs by the Deep State (just like JFK).
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:04am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      How is it “so obvious”?
      
      The guy may have been acting alone.
      
      He may have been working for the Democrats, or the CCCP, or the white supremacy movement.
      
      I would say this thing is the exact opposite of “obvious”. 😅
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:05am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    The same FBI that concocted a plan to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer? That FBI?
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:18am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      And don’t forget good ‘ol Ray Epps who definitely didn’t try and instigate the invasion of the Capitol, yet inexplicably isn’t languishing in jail with all the sightseers…
      
      Or the Tiki boys with their Chinos and Blue shirts.
      Or the Proud Boys
      Or what happened to Robert Finicum…
      etc etc
      
      yes, that FBI.
      
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      July 26, 2024 10:32am
  - Local Miller
    
    You mean like they did with the Hunter Biden Laptop case?
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “How about wait for the FBI to cover up further?”
    FIFY.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:54am
- cmm
  
  There was no technical reason for walking around with a range finder. You’d only do this if you wanted to be noticed.
  
  A 223 has a maximum point blank range of 250 yards (around 220 metres). That is the range for which there is no need to compensate for bullet drop and the impact point will be within 3 inches.
  
  Any ranging can also be easily done off Google Maps etc.
  
  The only valid reason to walk around with a range finder is if you want to be noticed.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:10am
  - Colville
    
    I have a range finder in my glove box 😁
    
    He had no need of it, just shows how much of a numpty he was.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:25am
  - Phronesis
    
    Your last sentence is obviously true. You could argue that the shooter was too dumb to know this, but if they’re that incompetent then how did they get so close to success?
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:04am
  - Jake Dee
    
    The problem with that line of thinking is that is you considering how you would have done it now, not HIM considering it THEN.
    Every event has its own particular situation, and everybody has their own particular psychology.
    We are sitting here cool calm and collected trying to think through all the particular details of killing Trump, but we all (hopefully) lack one crucial element necessary to kill Trump, which is a strong desire to kill Trump even at the risk of our own lives.
    This rather reminds me of a famous quote by Valerie Solanas, the woman who shot Andy Warhol,
    ” I consider that a moral act. And I consider it immoral that I missed. I should have done target practice.”
    At a distance of a couple of yards she fired twice and missed, then hit him in the abdomen skewering his liver and spleen, then hit another man, the art critic Mario Amaya in the hip and then her gun (.32 beretta) jammed.
    These events, wanting to shoot Andy Warhol and not being able to shoot Andy Warhol very well, run together, they aren’t independent.
    She wanted to kill him because she was a paranoid schizophrenic, and she didn’t do any target practice and learn to run her pistol well because she was a paranoid schizophrenic.
    Cool calm and collected it would have been one shot straight between the eyes, but cool calm and collected wouldn’t have been in that situation in the first place.
    That’s the problem with trying to work out the actions of the mentally ill, you just can’t predict which way they are going to break.
    
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    July 26, 2024 7:28pm
- NothingLeft
  
  It will be interesting to find out why Crooks travelled to visit the vicinity of the FBI headquarters in Washington DC. He’s taken care to cover his tracks online, but perhaps didn’t stop to consider phone tracking.
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Grooming? A lot of information is being withheld by the FBI.
    
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    July 26, 2024 11:54am
    - Mike
      
      I think all information gathered in criminal investigations should be released in real time too.//
      
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      July 26, 2024 1:21pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Crooks is dead, no chance of prejudicing prosecution, so why not reveal all?
        
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        July 26, 2024 3:40pm
      - Mike
        
        If there were a conspiracy, do you think the conspirators would prefer the FBI kept quiet until arrests? Or would the conspirators appreciate some warnings via the media?
        
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        July 26, 2024 4:11pm
Matt Long

One of the best jokes about the gulf war was that Saddam’s body doubles were deeply upset by the news Saddam had lost his arm.
People are asking how Covid suddenly made Biden grow 3 inches and stop poohing his pants.
https://x.com/9NewsNancy/status/1816271004353847588
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- Vory v zakone
  
  It was the Dementia…😜
  
  https://x.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/1816449929830678884?t=W8jicnG5AMuPDtr_a42eWw&s=19
  
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  July 26, 2024 2:53pm
Simon

Gweens too lame to fire Tana?? Tana drops a few Maori words and Gweens panic. Just not serious.

Gweens just want to have fun stuffing around shouting slogans in parks, spreading bull shit climate bed wetting Marxism, jet around the world, jerk around the productive while collecting easy remuneration. The womanchild gweens.
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July 26, 2024 8:14am
- RoboRob
  
  The maori party are even worse. ‘We support ALL Maori regardless of what they may have done’. Yup hats right, skin colour over everything else.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:01am
  - AitchW
    
    Only if you have the correct blood quantum.
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:59am
  - PurplePen
    
    Tell that to the ruthless empires of this world.
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:07am
Matt Long

Winston is claiming the Government will overturn the Key/Finlayson Maori claim to all of New Zealand’s foreshore and seabed.
Will National stand for that?
https://x.com/winstonpeters/status/1816353449509876119
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July 26, 2024 8:18am
- pdm
  
  Matt – according to Goldsmith it is being watered down even if not completely overturned.
  
  A step in the right direction.
  
  Now come on National and NZFirst it is time to support ACT’s Treaty Principles bill.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:42am
  - Yabster
    
    a step in the right direction watch IWI, Maori party, media and woke lefties have a fit- label it racist etc say its just customary title and won’t effect everyday kiwis access etc etc- what bullshit
    
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    July 26, 2024 8:50am
- kowtow
  
  There appears to be a Deep Swamp within the Nats to maorify the country ,by stealth.
  
  Our constitution in danger.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All done by one man. The man who will not do what he campaigned on.
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:19am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Why can’t we have a referendum to see how many want to retire the treaty.
      
      That would be the logical start point.
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:20am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The activists in Parliament will have nothing to do with it.
        Retiring the Waitangi Tribunal would be a start. How they can derive so much rubbish from the Three Articles in the Treaty is beyond me. The Articles are so simple. Pity the Politicians don’t read them.
        
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        July 26, 2024 11:59am
- Matt Long
  
  Herald Article. Apparently it will not affect areas already alienated from public ownership.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/government-moves-to-overturn-court-of-appeal-decision-over-maori-customary-marine-rights/7M57WBYOV5CC3MGOEAAKPG7OFQ/
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:58am
  - Yabster
    
    as predicted heavily skewed article- it would mean iwi can block resource consents for non -govt entities- think ports of Tauranga- think large amounts of ‘koha’ etc-
    
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    July 26, 2024 11:13am
  - Paulus
    
    Remember Parliament is still Paramount, and makes the Laws that Judges have to follow !
    
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    July 26, 2024 11:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Politicians are very careful about new laws or changing existing ones.
      Reason? Votes, just votes.
      
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      July 26, 2024 12:03pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      LOL, that’s soooo C20th. Judges are the moral and ethical superiors to knuckle dragging parliamentarians and live on a higher plane inhaling each other’s rich earthy (herbivorous) flatus.
      
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      July 26, 2024 3:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who knows what will happen. Luxon is a Maori activist and in bed with them.
  The Waitangi Tribunal will be who decides on the foreshore and seabed. Luxon will do as the Tribunal says. All in National will follow or lose their Warrants. Just look at what Judith Collins could lose, but she will tow the National line.
  Remember that this means the whole NZ coastline and 12 nautical miles out to sea from the high water mark.
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:13am
Matt Long

Islamic Leader in the UK reminds the poms who’s in charge now.
https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1816234963383247348
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July 26, 2024 8:21am
kowtow

Presybterian church deliberately destroy records ……

…….crickey those Catholics are hypocrites in a worldwide conspiracy , according to some here anyway.
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July 26, 2024 8:25am
- Mike
  
  Only your branch of Christianity is ‘true religion’; all others are devilish cults.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:33am
Omni Consumer Products

So,
Rebel News is doing a documentary on Bishop Brian, amusingly titled DESTINY UNCUT: God’s Gang Members Saving New Zealand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhMSZoaBPjI&t=35s

It does appear that Avi is chugging the Bish’s cool-aid…
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July 26, 2024 8:26am
- Matt Long
  
  Looks like an interesting watch, thanks.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:36am
Matt Long

Liberal zombie Steven King, of the if you don’t run X how I want I’ll leave, shows his class,
“Twitter,Twitter, Twitter, Sorry Elon, you bought it, you’re stuck with it.”
Elon “It hurts our feelings when you deadname.😢”
https://x.com/notlouisck/status/1816229824723312662
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July 26, 2024 8:48am
kowtow

Squirrel hacked , gang moll gives private govt held personal details to organised crime.

How can the likes of Mitchell and Collins have any faith in an online Firearms Register , aka the Gang Gun Shopping List.
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July 26, 2024 8:54am
- pdm
  
  Squirrel hacked.
  
  Is that the Fund Manager Squirrel?
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:21am
  - kowtow
    
    Mortgage broker , I believe.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/523100/mortgage-broker-squirrel-s-security-incident-exposes-details-of-600-investors
    
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    July 26, 2024 9:34am
I remember when

The Royal Commission into abuse.
I have just read Rob MacCulloch’s article on the extent to which the abuse totals are unable to be confirmed.
Why is it that this is always the result of such enquiries?
The first reason we know is because the terms of reference, as Rob states, determine the type of answer produced.
Why is the media behaving as if the information produced by the Commission is something that we haven’t heard before?
The Herald articles on the loss of their land by Maori will be in the same vein.
I grew up learning about the skill the Maori showed during the Maori Wars, a reasoned summation of the fairness/unfairness of their loss of land and no mention of the Treaty having principles.
We understood that they weren’t always treated fairly but wasn’t that what the Waitangi Tribunal was set up to make recommendations about?
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July 26, 2024 9:06am
- Paulus
  
  Tribunal RECOMMENDATIONS not Law !
  
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  July 26, 2024 11:39am
Jack5

More evidence of the bad state of NZ’s immigration system.

A Vietnamese woman borrows from loan sharks to buy an “employment agreement” with an NZ company. She’s now unemployed in NZ and apparently in dire straits.

The Companies Register shows the company the woman blames, Voda Ltd, is owned by Shu Hui and Yao Liu, who live in different flats in Auckland.

Time for an immigration clean-up by the Coalition.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350352615/woman-paid-35k-better-life-nz-now-jobless-living-fear
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July 26, 2024 9:19am
- kowtow
  
  No , this is the diversity dividend . Embrace and celebrate !
  
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  July 26, 2024 11:26am
Rusty

Did anyone hear Kamala Harris’ solution to the gun problem in America if she becomes president?

She will introduce a ‘gun buy back scheme’

Where have we heard that before?
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July 26, 2024 9:19am
- Swifty
  
  We shouldn’t use the phrase ‘buy-back’.
  
  Let’s call it what it is, confiscation.
  
  Forcible confiscation by the state.
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:06am
  - Mike
    
    Confiscation doesn’t involve compensation.
    
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    July 26, 2024 11:11am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      But you would state the opposite over Māori land sales, wouldn’t you Mike?
      
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      July 26, 2024 12:01pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Now you done gone and confused him.
        His reply will be interesting, if he does reply.
        
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        July 26, 2024 12:07pm
      - Mike
        
        I’m sorry you’re confused.
        CONFISCATE | English meaning –
        to officially take private property away from someone, usually by legal authority.
        COMPENSATE | English meaning – Cambridge Dictionary – to provide something good or useful in place of something or to make someone feel better.
        
        We can use these words in sentences if you like:
        My methamphetamine was confiscated by the police, who refused to compensate me for its loss.
        My land was confiscated by the government, but many generations later my descendants received partial compensation.
        
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        July 26, 2024 3:02pm
      - Taieri
        
        My land was confiscated by the government, but many generations later my descendants received partial compensation.
        —————
        
        Logical impossibility, Mike.
        Many generations later, “my land” is no longer “my land”, because I’m dead as a dodo.
        
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        July 26, 2024 4:40pm
    - Swifty
      
      What rot.
      
      It is the state-forced taking of private property. Handing over some taxpayer cash doesn’t alter this fact.
      
      Tell that to Maori who had their land compulsorily taken by the state and given some cash in return. Ask them what they call it and they’ll reply ‘land confiscation.’
      
      “We are taking them whether you like it nor not.” Sounds like confiscation to me.
      
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      July 26, 2024 1:22pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        92% of Maori land was sold to the Crown who then on-sold it.
        Nobody reads the history books.
        
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        July 27, 2024 9:20am
- AitchW
  
  Has there been any analysis of the success / failure of our gun buy back?
  Or was it, like so many of Ardern’s schemes introduced, run and then forgotten?
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:10am
  - marcw
    
    Perhaps the daily stories about crimes committed in Auckland involving firearms is a clue? None of those with the firearms are believed to be registered (of course not).
    
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    July 26, 2024 11:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    A couple of chaps in Gizzy were a bit too busy on hand-back day and just forgot about a few stashed in the old horse float….
    
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/23/pair-arrested-after-plethora-of-guns-found-in-gisborne-trailer/
    
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    July 26, 2024 1:18pm
- lifesgood
  
  Good grief! With the number of guns in the US that would cost umpteen billions. She is clueless.
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    More guns than people.
    
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    July 26, 2024 12:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Will she buy back just gun barrels so the gangs can have more saw off 12 gauges?
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:47am
Cassandra

Brash and Clark: “NZ should emulate Singapore’s foreign policy”. 1. Singapore is armed to the teeth – 40 modern fighter aircraft with hi- tech weapons, big navy, three Army divisions. 2. Singapore has just (yesterday) signed a military pact with the Philippines. In this respect I agree with Brash and Clark – NZ must rearm and our best defence is in conjunction with allies.
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July 26, 2024 9:22am
- cmm
  
  I disagree.
  
  The threat profile for Singapore is completely different to NZ which means our defence structures can, and should, be completely different.
  
  Singapore has land based adversaries who can roll over their border. For that you need a solid land-based army with air support etc. Similarly they have a lot of close threats over the water where a coastal navy helps.
  
  On top of that, Singapore is in an extremely strategic location, completely changing the motivation of adversaries.
  
  We’re a tiny island, miles from anywhere, of little or no strategic value. We certainly don’t need to worry about invading armies rolling over our borders.
  
  Certainly we should arm ourselves and come up with a good defensive policy, but we need to make sure we’re solving the right problems.
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:59am
  - Cassandra
    
    Im not saying we should copy Singapore. NZ’s circumstances are quite different. It’s Brark who are saying that. But we do need to rearm and we do need allies. And we also need to trade with China. And everywhere else!
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:57am
  - Mod88
    
    When the Chinese Fishing Fleet (1500 + strong) rolls into NZ’s Territorial Waters/Fishing Grounds backed by the Chinese Navy (PLAN) there is not a thing we can do about it. Think it won’t happen, ask Chile.
    
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    July 26, 2024 11:03am
    - Mike
      
      Yeah, but Chile bought our useless unused LAVs, so they’re all good now.
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:12am
    - Nobby2
      
      All the maori tribes could get into their canoes, row out and tell them to f… off, these are our waters and you are not allowed to be here. Good luck with that.
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:21am
    - kowtow
      
      Phishing fleet.
      
      And yer they don’t need to invade with an army etc
      
      One nuclear sub on station and we’re done.
      
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      July 26, 2024 11:31am
- PurplePen
  
  Could we also get some govt mandarins from Singapore to run our public service.
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:10am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Singapore asked NZ professor Des Gorman to advise them on their covid response.
    They came out of it in relative good shape.
    
    NZ didn’t, and didn’t.
    
    Gorman was ignored here.
    
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    July 26, 2024 11:30am
- Rusty
  
  @Cassandra – Helen Clark got rid of the strike wing of the NZ Air Force back in 2002.
  
  Does she want it back?
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:18am
  - Cassandra
    
    I very much doubt that she does. Brash wants our armed forces reduced to fisheries protection inside our EEZ. Neither of them know what they’re talking about.
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Start our Military off with spud guns. They are cheaper.
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:48am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Pukekoe is getting built out.
    We would run out of ammo.
    
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    July 26, 2024 11:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Shit, Pukekohe/Franklin feeds 25% of NZ. We need that dirt for veges not houses.
      
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      July 26, 2024 12:15pm
- bennerg
  
  IMHO we need to develop a strategic military relationship with Australia, as we are too small to host a full military organisation. Eg. we have pilots but we lose them to Australia. Better to spend our money on equipment they can use, but within the systems of training, support, maintenance of a bigger partner.
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:58am
  - Jake Dee
    
    No, that way any significant military action we wish to undertake will have to be approved by Canberra which in turn will have to be approved by Washington. But anything that Washington and Canberra want to do will be done whether or not Wellington supports it.
    This reminds me of a conversation I had some years ago with a Scotsman who was in favor of Scottish independence. One thing that annoyed him very much was the Gulf war of 2003. Scotsmen were fighting and dying in Iraq in order to maintain London’s special relationship with Washington, Edinburgh had no say in the matter.
    If NZ wants an independent foreign policy, it must have a military that can operate independently.
    
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    July 26, 2024 7:54pm
- MCōs
  
  Who paid for Singapore’s armaments?
  If NZ had the equivalent and we have a vastly larger area to defend than that tiny island, we’d be borrowing gazillions of dollars as well as selling everything that’s not bolted down.
  
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  July 26, 2024 4:44pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Plenty of useful stuff could be manufactured locally or assembled from dual use components.
    One major myth that has to die is that useful military kit is expensive difficult to make and that we have to pay the outrageous prices that the Western military industrial complex demands.
    Look at what insurgent forces like ISIS, the Taliban, the Vietcong or the IRA achieved without an industrial base or a formal state.
    It is perfectly possible to make a cruise missile that can carry 100s of kgs of payload 100s of km with a few thousand dollars of materials and instructions from the internet. Hamas makes Katyusha rockets out of plumbing supplies, sugar and salt!
    The only thing that NZ really lacks is the political will power.
    
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    July 26, 2024 8:11pm
Maggie Pie

I didn’t see it personally, but a bestie reckons she saw Darlene sitting among TMP
during the Parliamentary-Debates on Wednesday.

Anyone else see that….would she even be allowed to?
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July 26, 2024 9:29am
- Matt Long
  
  Yes, I predicted early this year Tana would join TMP.
  https://youtu.be/QyP75pKFCAY?si=FRqSEFrE_rT4Nt52
  
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  July 26, 2024 9:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OH WOW! Thx Matt. Altho its just cost me a bottle of Moet.
    I said…. “no-way she’d be that silly”.
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Interesting dress material.
    
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    July 26, 2024 10:59am
- AitchW
  
  I understood that she sat in the back row behind the Ngarewa Packer/ Waititi circus.
  The leaders gave her a warm welcome, my prediction is that by the end of August she’ll be inside the tent with the rest of the posturing blustering clowns.
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Greens and TPM pretty much speak and vote with one voice, so if Tana aligns with TPM nothing much changes.
    
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    July 26, 2024 3:38pm
- MCōs
  
  I’m picking the Greens will come up with an excuse to chuck her out of parliament
  Leaving her there is more distasteful than the alternative
  
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  July 26, 2024 4:49pm
I remember when

Nisan profit wiped out by US discounts; Shares hammered: Reuters.

They told us EVs would be cheaper.
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July 26, 2024 9:35am
- Burtland
  
  Ford is similar – warranty issues with hybrids
  
  https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-shares-frankfurt-drop-8-after-q2-profit-miss-2024-07-25/
  
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  July 26, 2024 10:51am
cmm

These home invasions etc are getting out of hand.

IMHO if anyone comes into your house uninvited threatening theft or violence they have given up any rights to life etc.

If they end up being pepper sprayed, shot with a crossbow or with a belly full of buckshot that’s all fine. They should have considered that before offending.

NZ is not the quaint country of the 1970s when a cop could command respect by pulling out his notebook. It is increasingly becoming a threatening place with home invasions etc.

Times have changed. The self protection options available to decent people need to change too.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/flat-bush-home-invasion-leaves-one-person-injured-two-men-on-the-run/5KXH64E52ZH5BMWOSZLX5C4GBE/
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July 26, 2024 9:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The scum can’t be stopped and they know it. Slightest bit of self defence and you’re on an assault charge. I have my stainless curtain rod, but if I seriously hurt someone I will probably go to jail.
  Security at the supermarket can’t stop a runner with a trolley load if meat.
  
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  July 26, 2024 11:16am
- kowtow
  
  ‘NZ is not the quaint country of the 1970s ‘
  
  Story in ODT about assaults on prison staff from “hyper violent” gang members .
  
  Behind a paywall .
  
  Looks to me like the gang phenomenon is literally undermining the democratic concept of law and order here . It doesn’t take much to become a failed state .
  
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  July 26, 2024 11:36am
- MCōs
  
  Police information regarding ram raids from 2017-24
  It’s not home invasions, but it’s nevertheless interesting
  Things to note. The peak was couple of years ago; most offenders were 14-17, worst areas are down through Auckland, Waikato, Bay of Plenty & Canterbury
  https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/ram-data-text-identified-operational-offence-15-june-2024.pdf
  
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  July 26, 2024 2:25pm
bennerg

A bit of reading on this Friday to help understand just why what we read may not be the truth. Whether that be what is on the 6pm News, Maonstream media, Facebook, Twitter, the results of online polls, or in fact anything.

The following link is to an excerpt from the upcoming book “PsyWar Enforcing the New World Order.” by Robert W. Malone MD MS (Author), Jill Glasspool Malone PhD, Gen. Michael Flynn (Foreword)

https://www.malone.news/p/the-five-eyes-alliance-intelligence?publication_id=583200&post_id=147011701

Just a teaser …

In the case of the United Kingdom (England), the best documented The Five Eyes Alliance (FVEY) deployment of military PsyWar capabilities against domestic civilians and residents during the COVID crisis has involved the British Army’s seventy seventh brigade, a disinformation unit responsible for information warfare and psychological operations.
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The formation and mission scope of the seventy seventh brigade is detailed in a November 2018 article in Wired magazine titled “Inside the British Army’s secret information warfare machine”. Journalist Carl Miller described seventy-seventh brigade warfighters as knowing “how to set up cameras, record sound, edit videos. Plucked from across the military, they were proficient in graphic design, social media advertising, and data analytics. Some may have taken the army’s course in Defence Media Operations, and almost half were reservists from civvy street, with full time jobs in marketing or consumer research.”

…

According to the slides, JTRIG was in the business of discrediting companies, by passing “confidential information to the press through blogs etc.”, and by posting negative information on internet forums. They could change someone’s social media photos (“can take ‘paranoia’ to a whole new level”, a slide read.) They could use masquerade-type techniques – that is: placing “secret” information on a compromised computer. They could bombard someone’s phone with text messages or calls.

The “Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group” (JTRIG) also boasted an arsenal of 200 info-weapons, ranging from in-development to fully operational. A tool dubbed “Badger” allowed the mass delivery of email. Another, called “Burlesque”, spoofed SMS messages. “Clean Sweep” would impersonate Facebook wall posts for individuals or entire countries. “Gateway” gave the ability to “artificially increase traffic to a website”. “Underpass” was a way to change the outcome of online polls.

Having a 30 years of experience in the technical side of the Internet I understand how this is all possible (and has been possible for some time), so not unexpected that those that wish to, or are paid to, are able to effect all these operations on our “trusted” media channels.

The only antidote is to “believe nothing” you read or are told, well not until you have looked for the alternatives, and found supporting evidence (not just echos – eg. reading it on both CNN & the Huff Post).

The challenge is how to educate the citizenry of such an approach to life on this planet!
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July 26, 2024 10:25am
- cmm
  
  “The challenge is how to educate the citizenry of such an approach to life on this planet!”
  
  Those in a position to influence the education of the citizenry prefer things the way they are. They won’t.
  
  All we’re getting is more kids using social media etc which are connecting sewers to their brains – bypassing the guidance of society, parents etc.
  
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  July 26, 2024 11:16am
  - bennerg
    
    It would be interesting to see if there are similar groups, military or otherwise that are employed by our government. Their budget no doubt hidden away under some nondescript moniker.
    
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    July 26, 2024 1:59pm
    - mawm
      
      There were “retired” CIA personnel hanging around NZ during covid. I wonder if they are still here.
      
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      July 26, 2024 5:22pm
      - bennerg
        
        I would suggest that the “channels of communications” flow consistently within military relationships, quite separate from the diplomatic and political.
        
        However I’m quite certain that the US military is very much under the thumb of its political masters, pandemic or not.
        
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        July 26, 2024 7:35pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      Of course there are, what do you thin “The Disinformation Project” is. created from the office of the Prime Minister and funded through some very opaque telecom NGOs. Exactly who works there and how they were appointed is never explained.
      
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      July 26, 2024 8:22pm
NothingLeft

First social media footprints of Crooks uncovered show he was in fact a Biden supporter:
https://nypost.com/2024/07/25/us-news/trump-gunman-thomas-crooks-used-gab-to-support-biden-ceo/
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July 26, 2024 10:38am
cmm

Remember the Good Old Days when men were men and had tough exteriors?

Now we have Olympic rugby players finding their feminine side.

Crying. FFS!
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July 26, 2024 10:58am
- lifesgood
  
  Great big ovegrown sooks.
  
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  July 26, 2024 11:38am
  - mawm
    
    It’s the low testosterone levels found in young men now.
    
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    July 26, 2024 5:24pm
- MCōs
  
  In the good old days rugby wasn’t in the Olympics
  
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  July 26, 2024 12:47pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    That’s simply not true.
    Also, it was 15s (the US are actually reigning Rugby champions).
    Pierre de Coubertin was a huge fan of rugby as a player, referee and coach.
    
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    July 26, 2024 12:57pm
  - greybeard
    
    Wrong:
    “Rugby union featured at the Games in 1900, 1908, 1920 and 1924, directly as a result of de Coubertin’s insistence, something that earned him a posthumous spot in the World Rugby Hall of Fame in 2007.”
    
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    July 26, 2024 1:03pm
    - MCōs
      
      That’s not the good old days.
      The good old days were the seventies when huge crowds would turn out to watch their surly heroes express their emotions with a smack in the face in the South Island mud.
      None of this woke, namby pamby selfies with the kids when there’s piss to drink and other things
      
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      July 26, 2024 1:58pm
      - MCōs
        
        Cricket in Australia was also nasty back in the seventies with the likes of Lilley and Thompson plus a general take no prisoners attitude on the field and from the crowds.
        When the IPL started on field behaviour improved because suddenly sworn enemies were bosom buddies in the same franchises making a ton of money
        
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        July 26, 2024 2:35pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Why are you so fat?”
        “Cause every time I **** your wife she gives me a biscuit!”
        
        Classic
        
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        July 26, 2024 3:02pm
Swifty

South Island Whanau Ora generates $2.40 of value for every $1 invested apparently:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/a-decade-of-delivery-te-waipounamu-celebrates-10-years-of-whanau-ora/7O5TEI4RMBF3THQV44EGFFWTVQ/

Two things I’ll bet my house on:

1. I bet this doesn’t include the value lost by taking the money from the pockets of NZ families to begin with, and the lowered consumption as a result, and

2. 70% of this value generated, on average, will be captured by the Whanau Ora service providers through fees, salaries, wages and dividends.

We are being openly misled.
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July 26, 2024 11:21am
- bennerg
  
  I forgot where I heard it, but that the “Washington Elite” were nothing but a massive money laundering operation, taking taxes and funneling it into their own coffers through their military machines, pharmaceutical companies etc.
  
  This is why they are so desperate to stop Trump, because he is outside that system, and presents a threat to it’s continuance.
  
  In New Zealand it is the new elite, the likes of the Mahuta family businesses, John Tamihere and the Waipareira Trust, and so many others. Money for health and welfare all ending up in personal real estate like Tamihere’s home, and staff with half million dollar salaries.
  
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  July 26, 2024 11:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump is going to take away their binky and make them cry.
    2016 he underestimated the size of the swamp big time.
    The Elite kept him out in 2020 by stealing the Election by cheating. Voting machines, ballot drops, you name it. 81 million votes for Biden my left tit.
    
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    July 26, 2024 12:29pm
Chuck Bird

RODNEY HIDE: On Another Planet

Prime Minister Chris Luxon during the election campaign: “You are on another planet if you want to have a conversation about bathrooms and make that an election issue.”

That’s me. On another planet.

I want my daughters safe.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/rodney-hide-on-another-planet?postId=8f44aa9e-2114-4960-9c11-c720f5118437&utm_campaign=92fb1f38-8838-4984-8281-418d21c6ab56&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail&utm_content=aaf94e93-b6a9-4bbf-9dc0-89c2e2f5f6f7&cid=5ad2ad14-ab55-4e15-92b1-7b9538cabd9b
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July 26, 2024 11:55am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Rodney has always shown himself to be in touch with the vast majority of people.
  
  Although can’t see Bene agreeing with him on this.
  He should be along in about 5, 4, 3, 2……
  
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  July 26, 2024 12:10pm
  - MCōs
    
    If RH was in touch with the vast majority of people he’d still be in parliament
    The newspapers and airwaves are chockablock with washed up politicians telling us how the country should be run
    Btw
    How often does one hear about a women being harassed in a female public toilet by a transgender?
    How often does one hear about a woman being murdered in a public place by a heterosexual male?
    
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    July 26, 2024 3:53pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Rodney Hide is a scholar and a gent and would still be in parliament if he wanted to be.
      
      A question for you, if a transgender harassed a women or girl in a public bathroom would the news media report it?
      
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      July 26, 2024 7:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “I would like to conclude by saying it’s time we had Dads back in charge. But we have a Dad in charge. And he’s proved useless.”
  Says it all.
  
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  July 26, 2024 12:34pm
- Grunter
  
  I still can’t get my head around this craziness.
  
  If I had said even 10 years ago, “We will soon be arguing about the rights and wrongs of allowing grown men in little girls’ toilets and changing rooms and we will also argue the definition of a woman” – I would have been labeled a weird conspiracy theorist!
  
  Where-o-where do we go next?
  
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  July 26, 2024 2:08pm
Ghost

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has encouraged anyone with knowledge of an alleged paedophile ring of politicians in the 1980s to “come forward”.

The Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care, in its final report published on Wednesday, detailed a “separate and confidential” investigation it launched after receiving allegations about a paedophile ring of central government politicians and senior public servants operating in the 1980s.

While the evidence it received was “deeply suspicious”, ultimately the inquiry was unable to substantiate the claims and “make a finding that organised abuse of children and young people in state care occurred by groups of people in public positions of influence”.

Article
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July 26, 2024 12:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The children of that era would be in their 50s now so a lot of those supposed pedos would be dead.
  
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  July 26, 2024 12:40pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And even if they weren’t, they’d be suiciding for sure.
    
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    July 26, 2024 1:27pm
  - MCōs
    
    That’s only forty years ago.
    
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    July 26, 2024 3:01pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Graham Capill? The NZ poster-boy for hypocritical christian fundamentalists (leading a Christian political party no less) diddling kids.
  
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  July 26, 2024 3:49pm
JimBobJoe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGlT4hT2ZBk&t=3s

Synopsis: Jay Bhattacharya talks to Martin Zizi about mRNA platform, how it works, prior uses (i.e. before COVID vax), potential issues and why those issues are not encountered by all vaxxed people.

This is probably the most interesting and balanced discussion of MRNA I have seen in terms of explaining why the effects of mRNA vax are not consistent across the vaxxed population

Benedict – I would really like your view if you have time to watch…
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July 26, 2024 12:27pm
Jack5

A rape conviction after a several assault allegations should surely warrant deportation of the 29-year-old Wellington musician who came to the country when he was aged nine. His name has just been released: Martin Ditlhabi.

However, the Immigration and Protection Tribunal has generally taken a liberal position.

Name released:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/523202/wellington-musician-convicted-of-rape-can-now-be-named

Immigration and Protection Tribunal members listed down page at this site:

https://www.justice.govt.nz/tribunals/immigration/immigration-and-protection/
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July 26, 2024 12:40pm
- rouppe
  
  What caught my attention was the statement
  
  adding he had no support from friends or family
  
  So it would appear that his family has cast him out.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:47pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Sadly, he’s been here since he was 13, along with his family. I doubt he’s able to be deported.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:52pm
Swifty

A thought-provoking piece from Andrew Doyle on Spiked:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/06/25/its-time-for-gay-people-to-turn-our-backs-on-pride/amp/

Gay and lesbian folk now have good reason to leave the Pride movement. They’re not wanted anyway by them anyway.
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July 26, 2024 12:57pm
Steve Todd

Another great, wide-ranging, discussion on the current state of play in US politics between Katty Kay and (the very funny) Anthony Scaramucci, at The Rest is Politics US, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoMn6sCwreY&t=593s.

The two white men on the Republican side, who want a return to some sort of 1950s America — one who refers to Kamala as “dumb as a rock”, and one who refers to childless women as “cat ladies” who have no stake in the future of America — are fast losing the support of women voters, including conservative women voters.

Trump, in particular, is floundering. All he can come up with, is “Lyin’ Kamala”. He’s used that before, with “Lyin’ Ted” (Cruz) in 2016.

The ‘right-wing’ think it is somewhat significant that Barack Obama has not yet endorsed Kamala Harris for president. It’s not too complicated. Go to 48:40 to see their take on that. NB. ‘The Mooch’ reckons Michelle will campaign for Kamala.
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July 26, 2024 1:16pm
- Yabster
  
  left wing bullshit posted by a left wing apologist- what a yawn fest…
  
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  July 26, 2024 2:41pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘are fast losing the support of women voters, including conservative women voters’
  Citation needed
  
  Say do you feel the slightest embarrassed you are a supporter of the sexist pig Cenk Uyghur?
  
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  July 26, 2024 3:07pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    For the serious KBers who arent really interested in the inane comments from Gossip Columnist ‘Katty’ and failed hack The Mooch here is Mark Mitchell Head Pollster of Rasmussin Reports giving an update.
    “Trump is beating Kamala- the numbers explained”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N97BJL1EreU&list=LL&index=1&t=686s
    
    Steve, perhaps you should let the adults talk
    LOL
    
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    July 26, 2024 4:10pm
cmm

I see Luxon is calling on people to talk up about 1980 paedophiles.

Here’s a thought.

Before worrying about paedophiles from the 1980s that you can’t do anything about – how about expending that effort to rather flush out any perverts that exist now.

Sure, people were hurt by events 40 years ago (and 140 years ago too no doubt). But those can’t be changed. It is far more important to address today’s problems today.

Unless maybe Luxon, like Cindy, thinks it is better to leave today’s problems for investigations in the 2060s.
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July 26, 2024 1:46pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Not as far back as you might think….
  
  “This goes deep and wide in terms of the paedophile ring, to the highest heights
  you can imagine. The people are people in power”
  
  – Anihera Zhou Black (July, 2018)
  
  (There are sooo many links about Anihera to attach… best just google her name.)
  
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  July 26, 2024 1:57pm
  - mogg
    
    Before doing and bandwagon jumping just think back to the “pedophile ring at the heart of Westminster” in 2017. Hundreds of victims abused by Leon Brittain and Ted Heath plus many other high profile men.
    It destroyed their lives and reputations for seven years while an inquiry was carried out. End result it was a lot of rubbish based on a pack of lies with absolutely no supporting evidence. Or on the other hand the Christchurch Civic Crèche case.
    
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    July 26, 2024 3:57pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350345669/police-commissioner-andrew-coster-rules-out-second-term
$700,000 / year !
$3,500,000 for his 5 years !
Did we get value for money ?
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July 26, 2024 1:51pm
- David Garrett
  
  greybeard: I am just glad the prick has seen the writing on the wall and not put his name forward for another term. Great news for all New Zealanders. Let’s hope his replacement is a hard arse…We badly need another Gideon Tait. His autobiography was called “Never back down” and that was his philosophy.
  
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  July 26, 2024 2:01pm
  - Ghost
    
    Has he, or has he been told, don’t bother thinking you will get another term?
    
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    July 26, 2024 2:49pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Bet he’s a bit pissed Cindys tank ran out of gas.
  Would have gotten a knighthood as well no doubt 🙁
  
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  July 26, 2024 2:09pm
  - Yabster
    
    just a shame NZ has to wait to next year! good riddance to cuddles.
    
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    July 26, 2024 2:43pm
- Sparrow
  
  How the hell can that salary of a seat warmer be justified. Its over 7 times the salary of a 5th year police officer facing the crap in the streets.
  I know I have been retired for many years but the difference today between those at the top and the bottom has reached obscene levels. It’s not only in NZ it’s a world wide trend. Then when the top honcho leaves often golden handshakes. Will Coster get one ? It’s all f…sick
  
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  July 26, 2024 2:45pm
  - rouppe
    
    When Howard Broad was commissioner, there were 2 deputy commissioners, and about 6 assistant commissioners.
    
    It was Mike Bush that expanded the numbers of those a lot, and Andrew Coster a bit further.
    
    Now there are 6 or 7 deputy commissioners, and at least 12 assistant commissioners. Plus their staff.
    
    If i were in a position of influence I’d be telling 12-15 of those aforementioned to get back out into the districts and start solving some crime.
    
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    July 26, 2024 8:42pm
- Rumblestrip
  
  Value for money?!
  
  Better that we took his $3.5 mil and burned it.
  
  Coster is the figurehead of a failed system. He has failed victims of crime while cozying up to criminals.
  
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  July 26, 2024 8:10pm
Chuck Bird

Great speech by Trump

‘PALACE COUP’: Trump reacts to Biden’s ‘terrible’ Oval Office address

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQyGYKsw9Ro
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July 26, 2024 3:03pm
- Inandout
  
  Chuck, one journalist thought Kamala was perhaps another Jacinda in her instant mania attraction.
  
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  July 26, 2024 3:40pm
Steve Todd

The brilliant, hard-hitting Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian, at The Young Turks, react to The Don-old’s VP pick’s “cat lady” comment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zobdf3gFZRo.

So good!
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July 26, 2024 3:43pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Stevee- you posted that yesterday- repeating is against the Rules but never mind
  What sort of person thinks a sexist pig like Cenk Uygur is “so good”?
  
  Heres Cenks own words;
  “There are some hard and fast rules of dating. Women, ignore these at your peril.
  
  Rule 1: There must be some serious making out by the third date.
  
  If I haven’t felt your tits by then, things are not about to last much longer. In fact, if you don’t get back on track by the fourth date, you’re done.
  
  Rule 2: There must be orgasm by the fifth date.
  
  No, ands, ifs, or buts. If I haven’t unloaded by this time, things are intolerably slow. There will be no sixth date to give you a second chance. If you haven’t delivered by now, you’re done.”
  “But there are no foreseeable reasons why anyone would slip into the fourth month of dating without sex. But since you do provide a certain level of sexual satisfaction, I will give a requisite talking to you to see “what’s wrong.” If you don’t give it up the date after “the talk,” you’re done.”
  
  A ‘talking to!!!’
  Wow
  https://web.archive.org/web/20020319052056/http://www.youngturk.com:80/rulesof.htm
  
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  July 26, 2024 3:56pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    But wait- there’s more;
    ‘Young Turks” creator and host Cenk Uygur made multiple graphic and disparaging remarks about women in his early days as a blogger, including saying that women were genetically “flawed” because they don’t want to have sex often enough.
    
    TheWrap found the blog posts, from the early 2000s, in online archives.’
    ‘In an entry from 2000, Uygur complained about not having enough sex while living in Miami: “It seems like there is a sea of tits here, and I am drinking in tiny droplets. I want to dive into the whole god damn ocean,” he wrote. “Obviously, the genes of women are flawed. They are poorly designed creatures who do not want to have sex nearly as often as needed for the human race to get along peaceably and fruitfully.”
    Another post from 2004 described a road trip with Uygur and David Koller, now senior vice president of operations at the Young Turks. The post was written in the style of a diary entry. At one point, “Dave” described chatting up some underage teenage girls he called “whores in training.”
    
    Oh dear, how very creepy
    https://www.thewrap.com/young-turks-cenk-uygur-blog-breasts-women-flawed/
    ‘we went to the strip club. I was licking my chops. The two girls were there. The hot bitch was still not talking to me, but finally I got up and intercepted her and told her I wanted a lap dance. She said yes, and we went to the private place. She did remember Cenk and me from the Parthenon. She proceeded to strip and rub all over me and while she was doing this I kept needling her. I said to her, “So, you weren’t too friendly earlier today. You weren’t talking to us. But now I pay you a few dollars and look at you. You’re naked and rubbing all over me and paying me all this attention. So, you weren’t friendly before but a little bit of money changes all that.”
    
    How respectful!
    https://web.archive.org/web/20051223065712/http://www.youngturk.com:80/Articles/xcountry1.htm
    
    Seriously Steve, what is wrong with you that you think this man has anything worthwhile we should listen to?
    
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    July 26, 2024 4:04pm
    - kevn
      
      All on… Sounds like a walking STD health problem as well.
      
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      July 26, 2024 5:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I cant believe that Todd thinks highly of him
        Its just disgraceful.
        
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        July 26, 2024 5:49pm
Maggie Pie

“Remember that horrible rape case I told you about late last year BooBoo?”

“You mean the Wellington musician who had name suppression, Yogi?”

“That’s the one BooBoo. The court have finally lifted the suppression order”

“Was it one of them again, Yogi?”

https://1news.co.nz/2024/07/26/wellington-musician-convicted-of-rape-can-now-be-named/
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July 26, 2024 3:59pm
Steve Todd

I see Don-old* Trump’s handlers are running scared of Kamala. They had agreed to a debate on 10 September, on ABC. Then Trump wanted it on Fox. Now, it’s all up in the air.

* Hat-tip: Sarah Longwell, at The Bulwark.

Forget about 2016. I think they know that, in a one-on-one debate, the more intelligent, better educated, experienced prosecutor (who has dealt with Trump-like creatures many times before), will run rings around “the perp”.

Like I said yesterday, I can’t wait for the debates. They will be hugely entertaining.
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July 26, 2024 4:08pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Trump’s handlers are running scared of Kamala.’
  
  You see where exactly? Citation needed or you are making shit up aka lying.
  The Video I have just linked up thread from Polling Company Rasmussin Reports shows that Trump is beating Harris in current Polling.
  
  The Bulwark is just another bunch of lying Democrats who gullible morons believe because it fits their confirmation bias…
  
  ” I can’t wait for the debates. They will be hugely entertaining”
  I reckon- but not in the way you think!
  Check out how Kamala went during the Primaries.
  Hahahahaahahaha
  
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  July 26, 2024 4:13pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s funny that you compare the prosecutor to the perp. Let’s look into that a bit shall we?
  
  Prosecutor: used to use her position in a massively inappropriate manner to provide cheap labour through the prison system and convicted many people for minor transgressions.
  
  Felon: got a conviction from an overzealous prosecutor for something that wasn’t even a minor transgression.
  
  So corrupt prosecutor vs innocent “felon”.
  
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  July 26, 2024 4:32pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Confession: Hat-tip to George Conway — heh, heh, poor Kellyanne; she must be grinding her molars on pretty much a daily basis.
    
    He wanted to say, “the prosecutor v the perpetrator”. Sarah Longwell preferred “the perp”. I went with Sarah.
    
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    July 26, 2024 6:00pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Found that Citation proving Trumps team are ‘running scared of Kamala’ yet?
      Did you see the secretly recorded video of Trump where he said hes looking forward to her being the Nominee.
      He predicted it before Joe resigned
      Didnt sound ‘scared’
      
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      July 26, 2024 6:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Trump agreed to debate the Democrat “Nominee” not a candidate. She might not be the Nominee.
        Nothing more than Kamala bullshit.
        
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        July 27, 2024 9:26am
- Taieri
  
  the more intelligent
  ———–
  
  Are you sure?
  
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  July 26, 2024 4:46pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Forget about 2016.
  
  That should be 2019.
  
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  July 26, 2024 5:27pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    And you are still wrong whatever the date- see Kamala in the Primaries
    Got that link showing Trumps team is scared of Kamala yet?
    Why do you support sexist pig Cenk Uygur?
    You should be ashamed of yourself
    
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    July 26, 2024 5:46pm
- Inandout
  
  Steve, the MSM hosts are talking the talk about what they must say. For a bit of balance use your smart TV and that is all that is needed. Remember, Trump’s past has been sifted through in detail. Kamala’s hasn’t even yet begun.
  
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  July 26, 2024 5:55pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Inandout: I’m not quite sure what you’re referring to, re. the now-off (apparently) 10 September debate.
    
    I access the internet every day. The fact that I prefer commentators that others here don’t, and happily make that very clear to anyone who accesses Kiwiblog, is what is called free speech (that is fully approved of here by DPF).
    
    For the record, as you can well imagine, I get plenty of “balance” from other commenters.
    
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    July 26, 2024 6:39pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      The problem Steve, is that your sources are all very low rent.
      Katty Kay, The Mooch, Cenk ‘The Sexist Pig’ Uygur and now we see you seem to be a fan of George Conway.
      These are not serious people. They are all biased extremists and learning that you follow them explains your ignorance about US Politics
      Found that proof that Trump is ‘scared of Harris’ yet?
      I showed you VIDEO proving he isnt.
      Watched that?
      Have you watched the video from Rasmussin giving Poll numbers just over an hour old yet?
      
      Nah, you prefer watching a misogynist who wants to use women and has no respect
      Perhaps you should stick to giving us Stats about STV
      
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      July 26, 2024 6:45pm
Hugh Jarse

Is Darcy Waldegrave, sports host on Newstalk, as big of a knob as he sounds ?
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July 26, 2024 4:39pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Middle name Crispin, and yes.
  
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  July 27, 2024 1:07am
wilderbeast

For those who may be interested I lodged a Local Government OIA with the Dunedin CC following the grandiose Matariki celebration (night time drone show at the indoor stadium) in that city. It appeared to me to be a very expensive production and was reported on TV1 as a highly successful “free” event. Checking the Dunedin CC website I found that it was delivered by them in concert with local Iwi and the NZ International Science Festival. Long story short the DCC replied that the direct costs to them were only $35,000 because essentially the whole thing was bank rolled by central government (MBIE). Next step is to find out how it cost MBIE and how much was spent on Iwi involvement etc. But for now I suppose it shows that far from being a jolly new public holiday where everyone’s a winner it is also a very expensive exercise for the taxpayer. I’d be shocked if the cost didn’t run into the hundreds of thousands if not seven figures, and that’s just in Dunedin.
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July 26, 2024 5:26pm
MCōs

Here’s an interesting story I came across
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/politics/304606/chalerm-s-son-transferred-to-police-force
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