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Im Right

Biden will not run for president announcement today…..
My thoughts are, I believe he will stay as president till election, but not stand on the ballot at election.
Your thoughts?……am I barking up the wrong tree or what do you believe the outcome will be…stay/resign/article 25?
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July 21, 2024 8:02am
- cmm
  
  He will resign.
  The Democrats really, really, really want to have a woman of color (TM) for president.
  They will push hard to give President Kamala her 6 months of office.
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:24am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yet Kamala as president would probably be a significant blow to DEI and be an obstacle to any Indian/ oh I mean identifies as an African American woman being selected for Democratic party office in the future.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:03am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Really amuses me that her claim to African ancestry is via a dad from Jamaica who was a descendent of slave owners. Though of course everyone on the planet is descended from people who owned slaves a few hundred years back. As well as more proximal murderers and rapists. It’s just the lefts version of insanity places some importance on it.
      
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      July 21, 2024 1:10pm
      - Conservatarian
        
        Cacklin’ Kamala is used to playing second fiddle. Willie Brown organised her political start in San Francisco (she was underneath him if you get my drift) but once his mayoral run started, Brown’s wife insisted that she be on his arm not Kamala. Kamala was said to have responded to Willie in plain language, not in the trademark unintelligible waffle the world knows her for. I guess in that case she was unburdened of what has been.
        
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        July 21, 2024 2:41pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    That seems most likely to me. Biden will step down due to health concerns.
    
    The Dems will be hoping 6 months as POTUS will boost Harris’s profile to the extent she beats Trump at the election.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:33am
    - Don Beckett
      
      4 months, not 6.
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:59am
      - Colville
        
        Jan 20th? 🤔
        
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        July 21, 2024 11:31am
      - Ghost
        
        4 months until election
        
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        July 21, 2024 11:32am
      - Manu-Rau
        
        Three and a half months, FWIW
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:38pm
      - jkt
        
        Don, maybe Pineapple thinks Kamala will do a Trump! ……. Seeing that the President is “immune” … interesting.🤔
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:47pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    They can have one in Michelle Obama. I know she said she would not run but she may be talked into running.
    
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    July 21, 2024 1:41pm
    - jkt
      
      A candidate capable of running for president will be refreshing and an endorsement…..
      At the moment we are between a shuffle and a buggy ride.
      
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      July 21, 2024 2:31pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Not sure why the downticks. I have said many times, and I firmly believe, if Michelle O is selected its an insta win for the Dems.
      
      Plenty of people say ‘I don’t want to be PM’ (i.e. JA), and then ‘change their minds for the benefit of the country’.
      
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      July 21, 2024 4:43pm
- imalwaysright
  
  It doesn’t matter anymore who the president is.
  
  Its a puppet show, the puppeteers run the country.
  
  Does anyone seriously think that they ask Biden for his opinion on anything ?
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:06am
  - Mike
    
    Please identify these puppet masters. Are they the same as Trump’s?
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:17am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Nah, Oligarchs are also tribal
      Bidens will be Media and Entertainment, Silicon Valley(Google, Meta etc) Green Tech, Chinese money etc
      Trumps will be Oil and Gas, Manufacturing, Gambling and also some Silicon Valley
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:33am
      - Mike
        
        Choose your preferred overlords by voting for their proxies?
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:05pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Same as yours Mike, and you do know that 🙂
      
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      July 21, 2024 5:40pm
- Damocles11
  
  Biden is the most mentally sound Democrat there is. He is losing his ability to think, which makes him superior to his cultural marxist colleagues who can think – and think only about how to destroy Western society.
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:08am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    There are plenty of mentally sound democrats, it’s just that the nutters get the headlines.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:18am
    - kowtow
      
      Anyone supporting the open southern border is insane , unless they’re out to deliberately sabotage the US or as Obama , now in his third term put it, to fundamentally change the country.
      
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      July 21, 2024 11:27am
      - RoboRob
        
        There is a massive difference between supporting immigration and supporting open borders. You can be pro immigration and also support a safe secure border. I have no idea why the Dems think open borders are a good idea.
        
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        July 21, 2024 4:46pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Well last night on Fox they showed texts from Biden telling his party unfaithful to take a hike, I am not going anywhere
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:30am
- jkt
  
  If he pulls his name from the nomination he will resign as President.
  
  I think the Democrat royalty is in panic mode. Biden moves like my father did when he was 94. At 91 he still toured South Africa with us. Kroonstad, Kruger, Port Elizabeth, Knysna, Hermanus (watched whales 🐳), Cape Town (visited Robbin Island), Karoo National Park and moved around freely and held conversations with family members and people who worked at establishments where we visited.
  
  If it was not for the phenomenon that is Trump, Biden would have resigned earlier.
  
  I think he will stay on the ticket.
  
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  July 21, 2024 1:42pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Disagree. I think he will step down from nomination but serve his term out. He shouldn’t if he cared for his country, but he will. The only benefit is the K wont be the first female president.
    
    I dont think it has anything to do with Trump, Biden has always wanted to be pres and doesn’t want to give it up.
    
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    July 21, 2024 4:49pm
artemisia

Good opinion piece by Brian Gill over at BBH about science and social justice activism. He ends it by quoting the title of a book by American academic Stanley Fish -Save the World On Your Own Time.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/brian-gill-a-science-career-in-three-shocks
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July 21, 2024 8:02am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  I read that report with full recognition of Brian’s story. The takeover of our University and research institutions by agendas that worship only the bottom line has been disastrous.
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:13am
  - Mike
    
    The breakup of the DSIR was disastrous for NZ science. The commodification of higher education – bums on seats – has been disastrous for learning overall.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:20am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Agree with both statements. The current funding model means our universities are inevitably about quantity rather quality. It also effectively puts the “customers” (students) in charge, which makes universities more susceptible to activist pressure.
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:14pm
Tomtoddy

The headline says, “The Harapaki Wind Farm is fully operational ahead of time and within budget, generating enough electricity to power most of Hawke’s Bay”. It’s a lie, a cruel, bald-faced deception. It is not going to power “most of Hawkes Bay” – simply not true.

A quick look online says, “A modern wind turbine produces electricity 70-85% of the time”. That’s delusional too. Much of that claimed “time” a turbine couldn’t run a torch let alone a house. It goes on to say that offshore turbines typically generate about 41% of the theoretical maximum output. Most turbines are onshore while their offshore counterparts are twice as expensive and only last a fraction of the time. Onshore turbines have a much lower theoretical maximum output – 24%.

So the headline should have read, “The Harapaki Wind Farm will generate enough electricity to power less than 24% of Hawkes Bay’s needs”. But is worse than that. There are line losses, shutdown time for repairs and other operational balancing issues that cut the “theoretical maximum output”. Its now less than 20% of HB’s needs.

In the U.K., which boasts of being the windiest country in Europe, the Royal Academy of Engineering says wind power will reduce the need for conventional power capacity by 4,000 MW, a 16% capacity credit. In windy Ireland it is 14% and in calmer Germany its 4%.

No one is going to tolerate being without electricity although many of us are in for a rude shock if we try electrifying too much of our energy demand so back up is essential. In Germany the back-up required is 80%. On present plans and allowing for growth we will need Indonesian or our own coal for years to come. Weird thinking. Strange economics!
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July 21, 2024 8:03am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  What was it Mark Twain said? There are lies, there are damned lies, and there is the MSM?
  
  Something like that, anyway.
  
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  July 21, 2024 8:09am
- Scott
  
  Quite right Tom. Information I’ve seen over at Powerline blog is that wind and solar only supplies 8% of the world’s energy. Fossil fuels are still 81%!
  
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/07/the-daily-chart-world-energy-sources.php
  
  Wind and solar are intermittent sources of energy and are not going to supply our energy needs. In my opinion we’re wasting our time with them.
  
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  July 21, 2024 8:10am
  - NothingLeft
    
    450GW of solar installed last year. With 20-25% capacity factor that is about 100GW average. Humanity uses about 3000GW average, so installation rate of solar is getting close to rate need to supply all electricity if you assume a 30year life for solar.
    
    Lithium battery production cost is getting down to about $50/kWh, easily cheap enough to supply a day or two of storage. And EVs will soon undercut cost of IC cars (see for example latest BYD cars)
    
    If you live in a relatively sunny location it is pretty close to point where a large (oversized to deal with cloudy days) pv install on your roof and a few $k in batteries will be cheaper than buying electricity from the grid at retail rates.
    
    But we still need a long term energy storage solution to deal with seasonal demand and supply difference. Expectation is that hydrogen will do that job, there is a lot of work going in to reducing cost of water electrolysis, and won’t matter that it is only about 40-50% efficient as a battery if it only needs to store 20-30% of all energy used.
    
    I’m fairly optimistic that this provides a realistic route to entirely renewable energy production at prices similar to what we currently pay for energy. It’s early days but the power of technology and manufacturing learning curves to bring prices down are pretty well established.
    
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    July 21, 2024 1:21pm
    - CJames
      
      Here is solar for last 7 days
      https://electricitymap.frenchsta.gg/?timeframe=-7d&site=KSF
      This time of year basically useless.
      For using batteries, you also need all the equipment to connect it and supply the grid. That is more expensive than the batteries. Then you need the standby generation when batteries aren’t charged.
      If you go to the Oz generation data for a place like SA, they use diesel engines, not batteries to support them over the duck canyon. Now why would that be? Could it be that as with most of the renewables, they are over-promised and under-delivered, or is it just that they are a waste of money? Too expensive and unreliable for grid operation.
      
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      July 21, 2024 1:34pm
- kevn
  
  Tom… Then there is the issue of -20 year blade life, filling the air with micro plastics as they delaminate over time.
  Disposal? Cut them up and bury them.
  
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  July 21, 2024 8:17am
  - kevn
    
    https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:28am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Agreed on the microplastics, and the type of microplastics they generate is the worst possible type.
    
    However that is all a ‘lie’ according to the “Fat Chequers”.
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:39am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Who red thumbs a comment that is based totally in truth?
    They do delaminate and are disposed of by being buried as they are TOTALLY unrecyclable.
    As Mr. F Gump said “Stupid is as stupid does”.
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:45am
    - Matt Long
      
      I have actually seen a video of these blades being recycled, it looked like there was a significant loss of particles into the air, but no doubt more money and more spent would result in cleaner recycling.
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:07am
      - JackRabbit
        
        The loss of particles into the air during recycling is one issue. Molecular decomposition during operation is the biggest issue, and thanks to decomposing in the wind, the microplastics, get distributed over land or over water.
        
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        July 21, 2024 10:23am
- Inandout
  
  The longer we delay nuclear power the more dire our electricity capacity will become.
  
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  July 21, 2024 8:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Careful, all of the Greens are eyeballing you.
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:25am
    - Conservatarian
      
      Aren’t they busy “vetting” batshit crazy proto-communist women to replace the several they’ve already lost of late?
      
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      July 21, 2024 1:27pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    nuclear is not cheap enough. About $6000/kW for best-in-class South Korean AP1400 Pressurized Water Reactors built in places without insane regulatory requirements, but PV costs about the same even after taking account of 20-25% capacity factors, and it will only get cheaper as more automated systems are developed for building grid scale plants and energy storage gets cheaper.
    
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    July 21, 2024 1:26pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It will not get cheaper in the future for NZ
      Pay now, never mind the pay later.
      
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      July 21, 2024 5:51pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Dont buy the spin. The costs of Nuclear are wildly exaggerated by the green movement and would be a lot lower without the insane level regulatory and other costs. There are extremely safe 4th gen plans that are struggling to get permission, its so much easier for the generators to put in (pretty useless) wind.
      
      Look at the transpower link kevn provided
      
      https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data
      
      I look most days, you will see that while wind has ~ 1.5x the max generation compared to coal, NZ almost always produces more power from coal then wind. Just looking now
      
      Coal : Max 750, current 645
      Wind : Max 1259, current 78
      
      Wind is practically worthless as a reliable source of power. But it thrashes PV solar in that it can generate at night.
      
      Stop drinking the green coolade and get with reality. If we build out massive wind and solar we would STILL need to build out more ‘other’ for the many times wind and solar do nothing. Making Wind and solar crazy expensive. Does the cost of PV solar include the cost of a coal, hydro, geothermal or Nuclear plant to back it up at night. And dont talk batteries, thats just batshit crazy.
      
      End rant /
      
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      July 21, 2024 6:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Not a rant Rob – just the truth that most won’t face.
        
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        July 22, 2024 7:31am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    NZ is not in a position to use nuclear power now. However, they should follow Oz when they do in the next 10 years. This will be after they vote out the Marxist government.
    
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    July 21, 2024 2:14pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Here in NZ, according to the Transpower site that shows how much electricity we’re getting from our wind turbines, the installed capacity of ~1250MW sometimes reduces our need for ‘conventional’ (aka reliable) capacity by ~20MW.
  In other words, sometimes they wouldn’t power 10,000 toasters.
  
  No matter how ‘modern’ a wind turbine is, it will produce 0KW of electricity if the wind isn’t blowing.
  
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  July 21, 2024 8:50am
  - pdm
    
    Absolutely dead still in Hastings at the moment..
    
    I wonder if there is any sort of breeze up there.
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:10am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Same here in the lost valley of Bayview. Dead still, fog and drizzle, and no sun.
      We need nuclear in Bayview, just a little one to start with.
      If it is cold and frosty in Hastings, the helicopters come out to stop the grapes and vines from freezing. Had rellies there with a vineyard.
      
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      July 21, 2024 9:28am
  - peterwn
    
    Windfarms are counterbalanced by hydro power stations and there are little or no counterbalance constraints at present in NZ. So if a windfarm is estimated to produce an average x kWh a year, then that is x (minus say 20% for losses) kWh a year available for consumption.
    Meridian would have been careful with its figures otherwise stockmarket analysists would make adverse comments and could raise the ire of NZX regulators for over-egging the shares.
    There will be a point when wind/solar counterbalancing becomes saturated requiring more hydro stations or pumped storage schemes (eg Onslow but its scale is far too large for the immediate future) or batteries or even cheap capital cost thermal generation (eg gas turbines fired by imported LNG).
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:29am
    - CJames
      
      Peter
      We are already at the point where the wind variability can’t be countered by the hydro ramping, especially when lake levels and river flows are low. With nearly all the wind being in the NI and the hydro ramping on the Waitaki, they are regularly running into DC constraints. They are being covered by the GTs while we still have gas available
      
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      July 21, 2024 9:43am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Onslow and other perpetual motion schemes run at 50% loss. Put 10MW in get 5MW out.
      
      Like all socialists, the Labour/Greens got all wet with the idea of getting something for nothing.
      
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      July 21, 2024 9:46am
      - CJames
        
        Pumped hydro storage is normally around 80-85% efficient on a two- way process
        
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        July 21, 2024 9:58am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        What sickens me about Onslow is they investigated it at probably millions, they found it would not be viable at a cost of 5 billion dollars, yet Ardern thought she would simply fire ahead when the price hit to 15 billion, what was worse, this venture was only for a dry year, so stand by only, utterly ridiculous to re look at that
        
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        July 21, 2024 10:37am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @CJames
        
        Like the theoretical maximum outputs of solar and wind, 80-85% is the theoretical maximum output of pumped hydro.
        
        I think in NZ, taking into account the construction cost, and unknown factors that will push the budget and delivery date back by 500%, you can look forward to 50-60% maximum.
        
        But pumped hydro only works when there are parts of the year where there is an abundant excess of generating capacity.
        
        If you can show that we do not burn natural gas and/or coal at all in any given year, and therefore an abundance of hydro power, then maybe the idea has merit. Otherwise “pumped hydro”, like EVs will be powered off Indonesian Coal.
        
        Burn dirty coal to fill a reservoir that will return 50-65% of energy during a power shortage. Be far simpler to burn the coal without losing 35-50% in evaporation and losses.
        
        If you have low electricity production to begin with, the $ cost to the consumer skyrockets, or you end up with electricity shortages as you try to refill the pumped hydro lakes.
        
        The harsh reality is that we burn natural gas and coal during the winter, and in summer if there is a drought or the lakes are low.
        
        Hydro Dam:
        Hydro Storage Battery: Yes
        Primary producer of power: Yes. All power produced comes from river flow pooled into a dam fed by rain and snow. No overhead. Every MW produced has no per MW cost. We do not pay Mother nature.
        
        Pumped Hydro Dam:
        Hydro Storage Battery: Yes.
        Primary producer of power: No. All power produced comes with an overhead of 35-50%, taken from a primary producer of power. Every MW produced incurs a 35% to 50% ‘tax’.
        
        The problem NZ faces is NOT electricity storage, but electricity production.
        
        Pumped hydro in NZ, under the current electricity production / consumption profile, is just another way of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
        
        And putting the heaviest chairs down the end where the ship is listing most.
        
        You can be excused for not knowing the science. Others can’t.
        
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        July 21, 2024 10:52am
      - peterwn
        
        Onslow would not be a ‘perpetual motion’ scheme since it is using energy from outside the scheme to ‘charge’ Lake Onslow (The US Patent Office initially declined to grant a patent for negative feedback amplifiers since they thought it was a ‘perpetual motion’ device where in reality they need power from an outside source to drive them – something which the inventor readily accepted). In a way Lake Onslow or schemes with similar capabilities is just what is required. Unfortunately there are three downsides to the scheme which is why National canned it:
        1. An enormous capital cost which would have provided limited economic returns since it would be some years before it could be fully utilised. Manapouri Power Station was in a similar situation, it was not until prospective loads were high enough to support it. In both cases there was limited scope for incremental construction – the tunnels in both cases are ‘all or nothing’.
        2. Poor location from a power transmission point of view.
        3. The project would be poorly executed under the previous Government – witness the new ferries, Auckland light rail, state housing developments etc -ie they could not organise a piss-up in a brewery.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:15pm
      - CJames
        
        Jack
        You have got things confused. The capital cost and load factor have nothing to do with plant efficiency.
        When you have Francis turbines working near their design point, they are over 90% efficient. That is why hydros have multiple generators rather than one big one – and now stations like Aratiatia and Matahina different sized generators – to operate near their design point. That efficiency is whether they are pumping or generating. Add in a few more losses for transformers and round cycle over 80%.
        I might not know the “science” but I know power station engineering as that has been my job for over 40 years.
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:16pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @C James
        
        I will clarify. It is the things they will discover during construction that will push out the budget and delivery by 500% that will not be mitigated and that will continually mar the outpower / input power ratio.
        
        i.e. leakage, seepage, porous rock, previously undiscovered channels, lack of grid power to fill the lake, etc etc
        
        The mitigation of which will wildly drive up cost and completion date. And the project has already been shut down as not being cost effective.
        
        Besides, pump storage is NOT a renewable resource. It is loss driven storage. Why fill the lake by burning Indonesian coal when you could build a hydro filled by Mother nature.
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:28pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        I’d love to see cost break down on Onslow project.
        
        I bet if it has been done in 1960’s it would have cost only $1-2 Billion in 2024 dollars, and $10billion of current price will be to appease loopy greens worried about dust in this remote location where noone lives and extremist safety nutters wreaking their usual damage on infrastructure projects.
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:30pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @CJames
        
        Electronic and power engineering design, has also been a pursuit of mine for several decades.
        
        Power station engineering however is not the same as geology and understanding how river beds and valleys are formed and conditioned by pressure, sedimentation, and metamorphic transformation over millions of years; and why said locations make better areas to dam than areas not previously subject to that transformation over millions of years.
        
        Also, natural swimming pool filtration systems, that use the principles of graduated sediment layer compression are not new, and utilise some of the principles and processes mentioned above.
        
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        July 21, 2024 2:16pm
      - CJames
        
        NL
        The original costing were effectively just back of a fag packet numbers. This was before they had any data of the geology, though they knew the hydrology. From the numbers published in the closeout report, there were next to no environmental “enhancements”.
        
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        July 21, 2024 3:13pm
    - Paulus
      
      Don’t Wind Turbines also have a small diesel motor to help them go when it is still ?
      In Europe they appear to have one.
      
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      July 21, 2024 12:51pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yep, They have to use power to initially turn the blade by outside power until the wind can reach a certain amount. This is a little unknown fact.
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:22pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        The diesel or in some cases electric, help keep the turbines rotating so that depending on design, they do not stall.
        
        Starting any stalled huge monolith requires a lot more instantaneous power than it requires to keep it ticking over.
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:33pm
      - CJames
        
        The main reason they have to keep them turning is to stop false brinelling of the races.
        They don’t use power to start them. The wind is the prime mover.
        
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        July 21, 2024 3:01pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Hydro runs 24/7 365.
    
    Windpower whenever it is windy and output is variable.
    
    We have plenty of rivers that could have dams, or rivers that will take distributed flow generators.
    
    It is like having a stable of Ferrari’s you can drive, but everyday you drive the Morris Minor that continually breaks down. Nuclear power is the Bugatti Veyron.
    
    And still you drive the Morris Minor, spending 75% of your time waiting for AA to turn up.
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:54am
    - CJames
      
      No Jack many hydro don’t run 24/7. They have the potential to run 24/7. The station are often only running 8 or 16 hours a day to support the grid over the peaks.
      Look at Clyde where they run the units either flat out or off.
      https://electricitymap.frenchsta.gg/?timeframe=-7d&site=CYD
      To get generation out of a river, you need both flow and head. You also need somewhere geologically suitable to dam them. That site has to be sure that there won’t be landslides into the headlake. There are no sites in the NI that meet those criteria to make more than about 50MW baseload station. Down in the SI, you still have transmission problems as Peter alluded to.
      
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      July 21, 2024 1:24pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Hydro (water) does run 24/7. Hydro power generators may be switched on and off for load sharing and/or maintenance.
        
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        July 21, 2024 2:19pm
      - CJames
        
        No Jack – most hydro does not run continuously. That is what the grid data shows. It has the potential to run all the time, but in load following mode, most that are lake to lake two-shift to maximise the value of their generation.
        
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        July 21, 2024 3:04pm
      - wsk12345
        
        Cjames- dont most of the stations have minimum “must run” levels of generation to maintain river flows?
        
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        July 21, 2024 3:40pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @CJames
        
        Gain Reread what I said, Hydro (water) runs 24/7, Not Hydro schemes, Hydro generators – Hydro – H2O – Natures continual replenishment / renewal cycle. Hydro as a prefix means water.
        
        You can’t turn it off. Mother natures hydro runs continuously. Without it, all life would perish. And an inexhaustible supply of renewable energy. Unlike solar and wind.
        
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        July 21, 2024 4:07pm
      - CJames
        
        wsk
        The last hydro on the rivers Karapiro, Waitaki, Roxburgh have both minimum flow and rate of change requirement. For most of other stations, the lake to lake ones, they can shut flow off completely. That lets their lakes refill though it all needs careful management as they have narrow working ranges and not much capacity. Makes it vary difficult for the Waikato to cover wind, though Benmore and the Ohau chain are very good at it because Lake Benmore has a lot more storage.
        JR
        unconstrained rivers may run 24/7 but hydro (as in hydro power stations) do not as I explained. Terminology is important. Even the EECA understands the meaning of words.
        https://www.eeca.govt.nz/insights/energys-role-in-climate-change/renewable-energy/hydroelectricity/
        How much water has run down the Moawhango River below the dam in the last 30 years?
        The word you want to use if you want to be correct is dispatchable or controllable. Just like coal, gas and geothermal are.
        
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        July 21, 2024 5:53pm
- Yvette
  
  When fog causes dampness and cold, engendering peak electricity use, the usual reason that the fog is there is the lack of wind to disperse it or drive around wind turbine blades, in this land of the (sometimes) long white windlessness
  
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  July 21, 2024 8:56am
- CJames
  
  Here is the output of the station over the last 7 days – the black line is the rating.
  https://electricitymap.frenchsta.gg/?timeframe=-7d&site=HRP
  For significant periods, no power.
  As a contrast here is a geothermal station about the same size as the wind one and recently commissioned so still having teething problems.
  https://electricitymap.frenchsta.gg/?timeframe=-7d&site=TAB
  Notice the difference? Now which one would you prefer supplying you power?
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:17am
  - Dave
    
    Those two graphs are very telling. Sometimes a picture (or two pictures in this case) really is worth a thousand words.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:01am
  - Jethrod
    
    Why is it only on 74% output. Rated at 225 Mw?
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:45am
    - CJames
      
      The rating is misleading. The turbine rating is significantly less than the line shown. That line is the generator continuous overload rating at unity power factor. They can boost the turbine inlet pressures to run there if they have wells available but at lower efficiency.
      
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      July 21, 2024 3:07pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Geothermal.
    
    The biggest cost of increasing geothermal output is paying koha to mystical power gods.
    
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    July 21, 2024 11:01am
    - CJames
      
      About half the geothermal in the country is at least part owned by Maori trusts. They put up cash and land for the stations.
      
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      July 21, 2024 3:17pm
- cmm
  
  Yup, wind is non-dispatchable power. It only generates when the wind decides not when you decide.
  
  The nameplate power is the maximum power that the system can output. It isn’t the typical power or average power and certainly isn’t the minimum power.
  
  To power Hawke’s Bay requires requires a wind farm and a back up of some sort of reliable power. That effectively doubles the cost of building such a power system.
  
  “A modern wind turbine produces electricity 70-85% of the time”. That statement is a lie wrapped in the truth.
  Yes, it will be generating power 70% of the time, but massively reduced. The power in the wind goes up with the cube of the wind speed. Say you get full power output of 1000kW at 60kph. At 20kph you will only 37kW – less than 4% of the power.
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:32am
  - JackRabbit
    
    The nameplate power is the maximum power that the system can output. It isn’t the typical power or average power and certainly isn’t the minimum power.
    
    Same with solar. About 15%.
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:56am
    - CJames
      
      NZ wind about 33- 35% capacity factor. It is shown on MBIE generation data.
      
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      July 21, 2024 3:08pm
  - gravedodger
    
    NZ wind generators begin to shut down at around 55Kph wind speed, not much output at 60Kph
    
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    July 21, 2024 11:23am
    - CJames
      
      GD – the shutdown is generally significantly over 60 mph not kph.
      Normally they are load limited between halfspeed and shutdown speed as shown in the data here
      https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Pedro-Crespo-Del-Granado/publication/270586944/figure/fig2/AS:295006767206404@1447346502835/Wind-speed-distribution-and-power-curve-of-a-23MW-wind-turbine.png
      Of course as the graph shows, the wind is rarely blowing at that speed so the time at rating is less than 5%
      
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      July 21, 2024 3:22pm
- AitchW
  
  Right now wind is producing 314MW of 5152MW total generation.
  Dirty planet destroying coal is producing 555MW.
  Gas is producing 617MW.
  We’re all going to die.//
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:49am
- Paulus
  
  Presumably someone called the media and over a glass or two persuaded them to publish the fraudulent figures accepting them a being the real thing.
  As Usual for the media – conned again ?
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:13am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Now we know the media are liars. This fellow and his son have only been tenting in the middle of Mt Maunganui for four years. Unaccountably, the MSM failed to let us know during Jaxxie’s years.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350338934/nylon-home-million-dollar-suburb
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July 21, 2024 8:07am
- AitchW
  
  Trespassed from MSD offices.
  Turned down a house because it wasn’t in his chosen suburb.
  Didn’t raise any concerns about the conditions of his emergency housing.
  Named his son Ice.
  Does this guy really want a free house?
  I’d suggest he has serious mental health issues and is unfit to look after a child.
  Would it be unkind to ask where his whanau is in all of this? Or hapu? Or any of the assorted Maori agencies so generously funded by the taxpayer?
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:42am
  - kowtow
    
    Yet te media paahti use him as a poster boy .
    
    I suspect they’d feel very differently if they had him as a neighbour.
    
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    July 21, 2024 11:37am
    - CJames
      
      The people who show “sympathy” generally live in an area where there are no houses for KO people. That way, their virtue isn’t troubled.
      
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      July 21, 2024 3:24pm
  - sirknz
    
    You forgot the unspecified injury from a car accident that prevents him from doing any sort of paid work.
    
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    July 21, 2024 12:14pm
    - pdm
      
      Broken fingernail maybe.
      
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      July 21, 2024 12:44pm
      - Manu-Rau
        
        Stolen car, maybe.
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:39pm
- Quail
  
  Interesting subject.
  Have often wondered why as an island nation we don’t make use of the tides.Energy both ways Some examples of tide power can be seen at French pass and even the Motueka causeway
  This idea certainly will have been considered before, but why not?
  
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  July 21, 2024 12:44pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Cook Strait has tremendous energy generation potential, something like 10GW. Currents of a couple of kts both ways. But it would be a big tech development project. The marine environment is brutal on submersed hardware.
    
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    July 21, 2024 1:35pm
    - wsk12345
      
      Yes it’s mainly the brutal conditions and massive maintenance requirements in those locations eg Transpower paints all its pylons periodically (for corrosion protection) – the period in wellington is about 10-12 yearly while in Centra O it’s over 100 years. Due to salt in the air – abrasive and corrosive. Imagine now moving parts submerged in water.
      
      I don’t think any tidal plant of size has made it past the prototype stage anywhere in the world.
      
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      July 21, 2024 3:44pm
  - JohnRidd
    
    We don’t use tides because they are intermittent, so still not dispatchable.
    
    But a more important reason is the marine environment is harsh. Salt is corrosive. The water contains things like seaweed and logs that have a nasty habit of clogging up the turbine.
    
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    July 21, 2024 3:45pm
  - AitchW
    
    Can’t do it cause it scares the fish….
    
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    July 21, 2024 4:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The problem with being male and pakeha …

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/nick-hanne-who-s-teaching-our-teachers-punishing-dissenting-voices-in-education
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July 21, 2024 8:11am
- Damocles11
  
  It’s more ‘the problem with being an independent thinker and airing views that challenge the lefts established group-think’. The man is now being cancelled and his career destroyed because he had the courage and commitment to do so. What a country we are living where leftists can actually do this, can destroy people, for just doing what they are academically obliged to do: share their ideas publicly in order to have a debate.
  A very good yet chilling point made in the article is that ‘diversity’ is apparently just the superficiality of different skin colours and genders: there is no real diversity at all when all are required to think the same.
  Imagine being required to think that all institutions – such as schools and hospitals – are ‘pakeha institutions of white supremacy’ and being punished if you believe otherwise. This is a terrifying state of enforced mind control. Such a disgrace that this is happening in our country.
  
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  July 21, 2024 8:51am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Diversity in everything except opinion.
    
    “We’re all individuals”
    
    Monty Python had it nailed
    
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    July 21, 2024 2:51pm
kowtow

Israel has whacked a big port in Houthi land.

Attack us , we hit back .

The weak leaders of the west could learn a lot from the Israelis.

ps Looks like the US and Italy helped with refuelling .
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July 21, 2024 8:11am
- Mike
  
  Luckily Trump has promised to end all the wars, so soon there will be no need to ‘hit back’.
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:24am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He can jaw bone them, may not work, but he can threaten Zelenskyy, then ratchet up pressure on Russia with tariffs or blocking trade, all Biden does is say let’s give 100s of Billions to Ukraine who can never win this war
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:42am
    - JackRabbit
      
      …all Biden does is say let’s give 100s of Billions to Ukraine who can never win this war…
      
      All Biden does is say let’s give 100s of Billions to the arms merchants, a portion of which filters back to control Big Media, to keep pushing the narrative that Putin is evil, so that more $ can flow to the arms merchants.
      
      War is about money.
      Pandemics are about money.
      Vaccines are about money.
      Climate change is about money.
      Socialism is about money.
      Indigenous rights is about money.
      CDBCs are about money.
      (Fake) Crypto is about money.
      
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      July 21, 2024 11:16am
      - Mike
        
        Is covering up the humanoid civilization of Mars also about money?
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:07pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Dead right.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:14pm
- AitchW
  
  Israel has always hit back hard. Which Israeli leader spoke of “a face for an eye, and a mouth for a tooth.”? Was it Moshe Dayan after the Israel airforce destroyed the Egyptian airforce on the ground prior to the 6 day war? (5th form history, 1977…)
  Poke the Israeli hornets nest at your peril!
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:26am
  - Colville
    
    I used to scuba with an ex IDF (lieutenant in infantry) chick… She moved over to Oz to work and I met her there. Apart from being utterly gorgeous she was harder than a coffin nail. Happily take on anyone physically and would never take a step back. I don’t know where she is now but it would be quite a bloke who could calm her down! Amazing skills as a diver.. Could free dive 30M too.
    
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    July 21, 2024 11:42am
slightlyrighty

So, will Biden try to tough it out until the convention where he will likely be dumped, or will he finally realise the writing is on the wall?

If Obama and Pelosi have expressed concerns, and we keep seeing high profile Dems such as Schumer publicly call for him to step aside, the question must be asked, who the hell are the sycophants in his ear telling him he is still capable of doing the job?
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July 21, 2024 8:11am
- AitchW
  
  Perhaps his Covid will get worse and he’ll step aside on health grounds…
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:43am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Perhaps he’ll take another booster, except this one won’t be saline solution.
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:58am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He warned the Dems last night I am going no where
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:43am
  - JackRabbit
    
    No retirement home for Joe. Perhaps he wants to drop his clogs in the oval office.
    
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    July 21, 2024 11:18am
- NothingLeft
  
  I don’t understand why he has a choice. 25th amendment provides a clear mechanism to remove him if his subordinates are in general agreement about his frailty.
  
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  July 21, 2024 1:37pm
  - RoboRob
    
    They dont want to do it because it looks bad for the Dems. You may remember the Dems were pushing t0 use the 25th against Trump when he was in power. Not a murmur of it now. If they cared about the country the would, but they are more focused on winning power.
    
    I guess if Biden refuses to leave (should know soon) and his polls are bad enough they might take the nuclear option. Not sure Kamala wants to take power that way.
    
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    July 21, 2024 6:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How folks abroad see us

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2024/07/19/another-government-funded-organization-encourages-staff-to-chant-maori-prayers/
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July 21, 2024 8:15am
- Yvette
  
  From your link Maggy –
  
  So my occasional reports about New Zealand on this site are meant to let Kiwis know what’s really going on in their country in the hopes that rationality and science won’t be held hostage to the 1840 Treaty of Waitangi. Many residents know already, but many also send me documents that can’t be criticized publicly because the sacralization of the oppressed has reached the point where New Zealanders who criticize the intrusion of legend, superstition, and local religion into the workplace are liable to be fired or punished. I can’t tell you the number of emails I get from Kiwis urging me on, but saying that I can’t publish their names for fear of reprisal. But since I’m in the U.S., I can at least mention this foolishness without fear of retribution. That’s why some NZ outlets, like this one, simply reproduce the posts I’ve written about what seems to be the world’s worst and most dictatorial form of DEI.
  https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2024/07/19/another-government-funded-organization-encourages-staff-to-chant-maori-prayers/
  
  DEI (or DE&I) stands for diversity, equity and inclusion. As a discipline, DEI is any policy or practice designed to make people of various backgrounds feel welcome and ensure they have support to perform to the fullest of their abilities in the workplace.
  
  Anticipating ACTs Waitangi related law introduction this week, a gap it will likely contain is the statement that Government and all its functions should be absolutely secular.
  But it won’t – and this non-sense will go on.
  
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  July 21, 2024 8:48am
  - kowtow
    
    Yvette
    
    Under Cheatle she wanted the SS to strive to be “the gold standard of DEI A” , the latest addition to the word salad being Accessability .
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:57am
    - Conservatarian
      
      Unfortunately for her and the Secret Service a certain Pennsylvania roof was deemed inaccessible to its “crack” staff for health and safety reasons by dint of its gently sloping angle.
      
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      July 21, 2024 1:42pm
  - Paulus
    
    Luxon has said he will support the first reading after that, get stuffed !
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:18am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      And that’s what the coalition agreement states, NZF have stated NO
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:45am
      - wsk12345
        
        I’m curious G – do you support the maorification of NZ? White people as second class citizens to those that are 1/256th Maori? The insertion of treaty shit into the health system? Do you. Eli we they are superior stewards of the land and flora/fauna due to indigenous knowledge and feelings?
        
        You seem to think the Nats are the be all and end all so I assume you support all this?
        
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        July 21, 2024 3:47pm
- T for Tim
  
  Maori ain’t indigenous.
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:00am
  - Mike
    
    Yes, they are.
    
    used to refer to, or relating to, the people who originally lived in a place, rather than people who moved there from somewhere else
    
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/indigenous
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:27am
    - Taieri
      
      the people who originally lived in a place, rather than people who moved there from somewhere else
      ————-
      
      Have you ever lived somewhere else and moved from there to here Mike?
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:41am
      - Mike
        
        No
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:12pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Bullshit, they came to this country, ffs their history even says they paddled waka here.
      
      Moa weee indigenous but hungry Māori full as ate them
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:46am
      - Mike
        
        Indigenous is synonymous with aboriginal.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:13pm
    - Yvette
      
      Indigenous peoples have in common a historical continuity with a given region prior to colonization and a strong link to their lands. They maintain, at least in part, distinct social, economic and political systems. They have distinct languages, cultures, beliefs and knowledge systems
      – Indigenous Peoples | United Nations
      Welcome to the United Nations
      https://www.un.org › fight-racism › vulnerable-groups
      
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      July 21, 2024 11:20am
      - Mike
        
        Correct.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:14pm
      - Swifty
        
        That’s right Yvette, the UN have changed the original meaning of indigenous and modified it to now include people who only recently arrived in a place, incl Maori, and now equate them with Australian Aborigines and Native Americans etc.
        
        “Worlds will mean what ever we wish them to mean and what ever most suits us at any particular time.”
        
        Mike’s continued pushing of this line is one of his most dishonest positions.
        
        The Maori rat and dog arrived with the Maori – does Mike regard them as indigenous as well? Or does he consider them ‘introduced’?
        
        There you will find the truth.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:44pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        So Appalachia then!
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:49pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        I would say Ngai Tahu aren’t indigenous, but rather they were the latest colonial conquerors of the South Island (17th Century from memory, they came down from North Island and ate the last occupants). Similarly Chathams, and really a lot of North Islands where 19th century holders of lands were simply the last set of conquerors that had eaten the original indigenes.
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:41pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Mike,
      
      There have been dozens of different tribal cultures in NZ over the past 100,000 years, all of whom predate the bloodthirsty squatters who arrived here a few hundred years ago.
      
      Stop talking drivel.
      
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      July 21, 2024 11:22am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Dozens ?? Maybe one, or remotely possible, two.
        Still yet to find adequate evidence to support, so still a theory.
        
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        July 21, 2024 11:52am
      - Mike
        
        Don, there is no reliable evidence for human occupation of New Zealand before the arrival of the Polynesian voyagers who became Māori.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:10pm
      - Dave
        
        Given that the earliest known aboriginal settlement of Australia is 65,000 years ago and that crossing from Asia and its off-shore islands to Australia is a lot less difficult than crossing the Tasman or Pacific to NZ, a claim of 100,000 years of pre-Maori settlement is wildly implausible and would require really solid, unambiguous archeological evidence to be credible.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:56pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        First Maori explorers arrives in late 13th century, but bulk of settlement from Polynesia occurred in 14th century. There were no humans in NZ before that
        
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        July 21, 2024 4:20pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        There are confirmed artifacts that predate the giant volcanic eruptions in Auckland 30,000-60,000 years ago.
        
        The Moriori’s (waitaha/nga puhi) were here before the Maoris and they proudly boasted of having eaten, raped and enslaved them.
        
        But it is not up to me to prove that, or provide links. If you are interested in truth, you go looking.
        
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        July 21, 2024 8:26pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        We know there were no humans in NZ pre-Maori because the dumb megafauna were only wiped out after humans (Maori) arrived. Same pattern as everywhere else in the world. Aside from which any earlier inhabitants would have left traces. They haven’t. QED
        
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        July 21, 2024 9:29pm
  - Paulus
    
    No, are they not Aboriginal if you look it up ?
    
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    July 21, 2024 12:54pm
  - G152
    
    The Polynesian explorers and settlers got here around 1200 AD to an empty land.
    There are no indigenous New Zealanders
    
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    July 21, 2024 12:58pm
Matt Long

Did anyone honestly not expect the Brynderwyns to close the first time it rained? An underslip on the abused Paparoa Oakleigh means all heavy traffic has to go through Dargaville now when SH1 is blocked.
Time for the board of NZTA to hop off the Koha Waka.
As will the Maungamuka Highway further north a if it ever opens.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/state-hhighway-1-north-of-auckland-at-brynderwyn-hills-closed-by-slip/4JTOB2MSJRGPVO6HL6OSWRQWXU/
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July 21, 2024 8:20am
- MCōs
  
  Reopened at 6.30pm
  https://x.com/nztaaklnth/status/1814548913996656885?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
  
  A new road off to the west is being looked at, but the North has never been a top priority because it’s a low class region because the access is substandard because it’s a low class region because the access is substandard
  
  The bit of road that causes all the angst is remarkably short and when everything is going well only takes a few minutes to traverse. Getting through Wellsford is worse on a busy day.
  
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  July 21, 2024 8:55am
  - sirknz
    
    At least we can now bypass the blister on the arse of the drive north that is Warkworth. Four sets of traffic lights and a bridge down to a single lane in each direction was a recipe for a painful drive.
    
    Next up is bypassing the boil on the arse of the drive north that is Dumb Valley and Wellsford.
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:58am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The Wellsford jam up is caused by the pedestrian crossing over the main street.
    They have the same issue in Tirau.
    Billions were spent on the Expressway only to lose the 20 minutes you save queuing through Tirau.
    Not great having a crossing bisect a State Highway.
    Bypass both as soon as possible please.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:21am
    - AitchW
      
      Burn the heretic! How dare you suggest building more roads to reduce travel times, increase productivity and reduce emissions? Far better to have lines of crawling traffic in low gear, belching excess exhaust fumes, increasing travel times and encouraging road rage!
      I’ll bet you drive a Ranger and club baby seals.
      Off to the re-education camp with you!
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:37am
      - sirknz
        
        Those baby seals deserve it.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:20pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      Correct. Was affected on Friday lunchtime heading south to Taupo. People crossing the road for pies and coffee, plus the road cone madness and roadworks just south of the town. There is something particularly infuriating about being stuck in a 20 minute traffic jam two minutes from the destination.
      
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      July 21, 2024 3:00pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Your point? Four months closure for resilience and the first light flooding it gets a light closure, next heavy flood?
    When the northern end of the Brynderwyns was straightened, and the top of the southern end, there were none of these issues, something has changed.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:23am
    - AitchW
      
      Could it be contracts awarded to the lowest bidder regardless of ability?
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:38am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      A few thoughts Matt-
      a) the vid in the link shows it starting where “work” had already been done and nature just cleared off the bit they left
      b) while the ‘spare working lane’ idea is clearly bs it could be concluded that the recent rebranding alone has been enough to motivate a rapid response vs the historic week long debates about what to do …
      c) at the rate the top is falling off, a cut on the southern side must be becoming a viable option. Can’t be too much higher than the Warkworth or Transmission Gully net elevations now 🙂
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350349613/sh1-reopens-after-slip-brynderwyn-hills
      
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      July 21, 2024 11:06am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Northland is under serviced for roads because it has been historical low population destiny and there is not a lot up there (yes some tourism, farming, horticulture and fishing but what else of genuine significance?).
    
    A few years back some mining companies were interested in prospecting in Northland and local Iwi said they would oppose any such activity strenuously.
    
    Northland GDP is 9.65Billion annualised at Infometrics last estimate in Mar 2024. And has been declining since 2021….
    https://qem.infometrics.co.nz/northland-region/economic/gdp?compare=new-zealand
    
    [Auckland by comparison is 143.7 Billion in the same annualised period reporting Mar 2024]
    
    So economically what is the case for spending more in the area? What are the returns? If the NZ taxpayer puts say 1 Billion in to roads in Northland in the next decade what real economic growth will Northland generate in return?
    
    Northland is a backwater, because a chunk of people up there want it to be a backwater. Recent evidence: the blocking of Port of Whangarei expansion by local Iwi concerns as reported in the last few weeks.
    
    You get what you sow.
    
    Oh and I would also say that the feral infestation in Northland is not exactly a marketing highlight. How many tourists get done over physically or for the goods/cash every year in Northland??
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:30am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      “Recent evidence: the blocking of Port of Whangarei expansion by local Iwi concerns as reported in the last few weeks.”
      
      https://www.nrc.govt.nz/news/2024/july/northport-expansion-declined-by-independent-commissioners/#:~:text=10%20Jul%202024%2C%208%3A04,11.7%20hectare%20reclamation%20currently%20proposed.
      
      “In their decisions, the commissioners accepted that had they granted consent there would have been a range of significant positive effects.
      
      “These include a range of economic and social benefits associated with a dedicated container terminal at Whangārei, which would be part of an integral and efficient national network of safe ports.”
      
      However, the commissioners said they had refused consent due to the scale and extent of the proposed reclamation as it currently stood.”
      Also –
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/521756/northport-container-terminal-expansion-rejected
      
      “If Northport applied for consent through the fast-tracking process, then the decision – and the need to strike a balance between economic and environmental factors – would be up to central government.”
      
      This one has only just started.
      
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      July 21, 2024 11:29am
    - wsk12345
      
      I’m pretty sure that not building a big ass road into Northland is a treaty breach. We are leaving north land folk to a life of reliance on welfare!
      
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      July 21, 2024 12:18pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        If the local iwi could make a start by agreeing among themselves to settle their Treaty grievance then perhaps the rest of the country could come to the party with big $ spend on infrastructure.
        
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        July 21, 2024 3:01pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      I bet it ends up the most populous region of NZ in 100 years as it has the warmest weather and people always move to the nicest climates. That is only held back by transport infrastructure.
      
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      July 21, 2024 1:44pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Doing what? Where is the employment opportunity?
        
        Plus the region hosts idiots like the Hawawira Clan – open anti-white ahats of the first order.
        
        Why would anyone wish to live proximity to them??
        
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        July 21, 2024 3:10pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Often that’s what happens, the same as after earthquakes at zkaikoura, the land will settle, as it did in Kaikoura
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:47am
Chuck Bird

There is no climate emergency

Lomborg on social media

https://mailchi.mp/lomborg/newsletter-624134?e=da3eadba9b
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July 21, 2024 8:29am
- G152
  
  We know.
  
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  July 21, 2024 8:33am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I wonder if the current government has undeclared Ardern’s declaration that we’re in a ‘Climate Emergency!”
  The very idea that there is a climate emergency brought on by the burning of FF is total nonsense. A sensible government would know this and focus on important problems instead.
  
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  July 21, 2024 8:58am
  - pdm
    
    Luxon won’t – he is right into the Climate Change dogma.
    
    That and kowtowing to the Maorification of the country will be his downfall.
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:14am
    - H. Upmann
      
      Luxon is on track to be a one term wonder.
      
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      July 21, 2024 9:55am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Indeed. The left and the media will always hate him. Doesn’t matter what he does. 😂
        
        You wait until Meta and Google give a Foxtrot Oscar to the media’s demand for money. It will be blamed on the government.
        
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        July 21, 2024 10:50am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Bullshit, last weeks poll has him surging to mid 30s for pm Hipkins mid teens just above Chloe.
        
        Coalition polled 67 seats, while the opposition was mid 50s, people have realise for labour to win we have to have greens and TPM in cabinet, people are awake to that.
        
        Last week inflation is down very close to the 1-3%, now interest rates are to drop before Christmas, and Labours stolen taxes will be handed back in 10 days time, once the job cuts has been forgotten then the government numbers will surge, you may whinge, but I have faith that level headed voters will never forget what Hipkins and co did to this country
        
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        July 21, 2024 10:55am
      - Ghost
        
        Google won’t, they already have deals in nz to pay for news, Microsoft have said they will keep running news. Meta, I don’t think Facebook have the news tab any more here.
        
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        July 21, 2024 10:55am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The problem with MMP is that the margin between winning and losing is perilous. There are several scenarios which would have the government falling in 2026.
        
        Look at it this way. There are virtually no people who voted green or Labour in 2023 who will vote for National in 2026. What if Winston finally retires, or becomes incapacitated? There goes New Zealand First. Will those voters switch to ACT or National or stay home? Based on National’s current policy stances they will stay home.
        
        At a macro level, the differences between this government and the last government are not as large as the media makes out. Sure, it is much less wasteful. Some of its policies are very welcome. But at a macro level it is not transformational. It has stopped the terrible decline of the last government, but there is no reversal. If we look over the next 30 years, it has postponed New Zealand’s decline from first world status, not prevented it.
        
        I will change my view when the Zero Carbon Act is repealed, we have a new Public Service Act, and there is a relentless push for GDP per capita growth in all policy design.
        
        I expect one or more National cheer leaders to tell me I am writing bullshit. However that is not enough to change my mind. 😅
        
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        July 21, 2024 11:11am
      - gravedodger
        
        Make that a one term disaster? H Upmann
        
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        July 21, 2024 11:41am
      - Ghost
        
        Is he? Strange thing, the issues here that people think matter, that act are pushing, act are down in polls. The echo chamber that is kiwiblog doesn’t seem to represent NZ
        
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        July 21, 2024 11:53am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Benedict
        You can add to that list, the Local Body Government Act changed back so Councils can only focus on core business.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:17pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “The echo chamber that is kiwiblog doesn’t seem to represent NZ.”
        
        Who is this person “NZ”?
        
        I don’t see it as an echo chamber. I seem to express views here that attract strong disagreement. Indeed on a couple of subjects I seem to drive some nuts. 😂 That is the nature of debate.
        
        Of course most New Zealanders will not agree with everything I say. I would argue that few of them are aware of the precipitous decline under way. People can be persuaded. That is what leadership involves. Not following public opinion polls.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:58pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Funny you should say that, because you never hear him say it since the election.
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:49am
      - H. Upmann
        
        G: Re your comment to me above, Hipkins is irrelevant; he will not be the leader next election. The remainder of your comment is beltway stuff, no one cares.
        The reality for Luxon is that after 6 years of probably the worst government in NZ history, (burning money, corruption, open promotion of racism etc. ….), National could not get 40% in the last election. All downhill from there, much as I regret to have to say that.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:29pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Luxon can only do so if the government repeals the Zero Carbon Act. He has said he will not.
    
    I am actually surprised that there is not more lobbying for the repeal of the Act. I think that the Government relies on people never having read it. Sadly, I have, from beginning to end 😂
    
    Same with the embedding or te ao Maori in government. Public Servants are required to do so by law. Apart from the me, I have literally never come across anyone advocating for the amendment of the Public Service Act.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:47am
    - Quail
      
      BY,
      Also of concern is that the vaunted RMA reform is only for the built environment, the natural environment is not included.
      Mr Luxon is on record stating this.
      
      Ask any rural land managers if they need reforms?
      A major part of the economic decline in rural productivity can be laid squarely on ever increasing RMA regulation.
      
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      July 21, 2024 1:15pm
- Taieri
  
  There is no climate emergency
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  Yes, there is. Our local council declared one a while ago.
  
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  July 21, 2024 1:38pm
I remember when

Ah, the vagrancies of rules.
Uruguay take too long to clear ball from ruck and it is blown up by referee.
However, it is Uruguay advantage from a knock-on so it is Uruguay’s scrum.
So to speed game up it takes a minute to have the scrum.
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July 21, 2024 8:31am
- greybeard
  
  I think you mean to say “vagaries”.
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:21am
Bridgenag

Illuminating Inconsistencies and Addressing Anomalies in the Trump Assassination Attempt
11 Shots fired | 3 Different Locations | Patsy | Eyewitness Accounts | Video Proof | 3 Letter Agencies | Lies, Coverups, Betrayal | All You Need to Know NOW & What Really Happened in Bethel Park, PA

https://open.substack.com/pub/thetruthaboutcancerofficial/p/illuminating-inconsistencies-and?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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July 21, 2024 8:32am
- NothingLeft
  
  Hanlon’s Razor should be your guide:
  “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” (or incompetence)
  
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  July 21, 2024 1:46pm
Bridgenag

A LONG READ……..but worth the effort

The Great Enshittening
Substituting Merit for DEI justified by Stakeholder Capitalism => Enshittification

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/the-great-enshittening?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 21, 2024 8:37am
Benedict Yu

This is a short video clip of Trump being rushed off stage following the assassination attempt. It is from a different angle than the others I have seen. Probably taken by a bystander.

https://youtube.com/shorts/xLqCpTvqg30?si=wRsv9OObH0qqjAO8

I’m no expert, but I wonder if the Secret Service needs some more practice in this manoeuvre? Now I am sure that there are some women who could do this job. However, here, one is, well, short. The other one is overweight. They are both flailing around, clearly surplus to requirements.

Of course, pointing this out gets you labelled as a misogynist.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4779154-misogynistic-backlash-diversity-security/

IMO it is typical gaslighting. Short and / or overweight men would also be useless at this job.

Undoubtedly, there will be some women who could do this job. However, they would need to be unusually strong, tall, and fast, as well as being highly proficient with firearms. That observation is not misogynistic, a trait in some men that I hate. It is simply having regard to biology.
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July 21, 2024 8:43am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The short one was there to protect his ankles. The fat one was there to make it harder to get past.
  Haven’t you heard the song that goes something like…
  So low, can’t get under her, so wide, can’t get round her, so…, oh rest my soul.
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:05am
- MCōs
  
  The Thai PM is taller than Donald Trump, but his bodyguards are typical Asians
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:13am
  - kowtow
    
    “Typical Asians”
    
    Wow , that’s so racis’.
    
    The north Chinese are big people , many Sikhs and other Indians are big people .
    
    Are they not Asians , and in their own part of the world not typical?
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:00am
    - MCōs
      
      I should have said typical Thais, which the PM most certainly is not
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:33am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        OK well perhaps the short Thai bodyguards can be hired to train the USA secret service short bodyguards.
        
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        July 21, 2024 10:54am
      - kowtow
        
        Yes ,racist attitudes become very entrenched and second nature and then casually expressed if we’re not constantly checking our white privelige…….
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:06pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Indeed. I assume that the the Thai PM has Thai bodyguards.
      
      As always, I enjoy contrary views. I have not found any credible sources that tell me that those two women were fit for purpose.
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:36am
      - imalwaysright
        
        US Secret Service fitness test.
        Not exactly hard.
        
        https://www.topendsports.com/testing/work/police/usa-secret-service.htm
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:29pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    What point are you trying to make relevant to this thread Mcos? Is it:
    
    – the Thai PM has even worse bodyguard selection criteria than the US secret service
    – the thais aren’t serious about protection of there PM which is similar to the secret service attitude to Donald Trump
    – that you are trolling because as a lefty you support the DEI Marxism
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:10am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I would also like to see a video of these short Thai bodyguards in action. 😂
      
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      July 21, 2024 11:14am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Muay Thai (kickboxing) is generally regarded as the most effective martial art in one-on-one fights (outside of ground fighting)
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:49pm
      - AitchW
        
        NL, it’d have to be a hell of a kick to stop a bullet.
        
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        July 21, 2024 4:36pm
- Ghost
  
  Here is a former secret service agent who said the team that looked after trump did their job. It’s a good interview, his problem is with that female agent not protecting trump and instead shielding herself. It’s at 49.25 in the video
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7R7pvh36Mg
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:39am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    That’s interesting Ghost. They begin by being very critical of Cheatle and the approach she has bought to the SS.
    
    Tim Kennedy, also an SS sniper, was crystal clear the SS failed. The moment they allowed Trump to be shot at they failed. See link below, where he explains in more detail the failures.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:05am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  The interview with SS Sniper Tim Kennedy was a really good insight into what has been happening in the US Secret Service.
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G9boJpqiZTQ&list=PLkL7BvJXiqSQu3i72hSrG4vUkDuaneHuB&index=5&pp=iAQB
  
  Biden hires a Director with a stated goal of having 30% women agents. The standards for female agents are lower than the standards for male agents, meaning the capability of the agents begins to diminish. Next minute a 6’7” ex-president has several short, fat agents in their detail. One was seen to be hiding behind the president during the shootings, another was stationery at the foot of the stairs of the podium while men with machine guns ran to action stations.
  
  DEI hiring strategy without objective criteria needing to be met for all hires, results in downgrading of performance. Imagine an NBA basketball team stating they were going to have a minimum 30% women in the men’s division team. Where the performance is judged purely on outcomes like that, it would be clearly madness to embark on the ideological journey. They would get trounced in every game. Yet the US SS believes it can do this, unbelievable!
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:45am
  - Taieri
    
    DEI hiring strategy without objective criteria needing to be met for all hires, results in downgrading of performance.
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    Not at all. DEI hiring strategy in the scaffolding, roofing and underground coal mining industries has resulted in great improvements in productivity. Wait…no DEI hiring in those industries yet? Why?
    
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    July 21, 2024 9:50am
    - sirknz
      
      No air conditioning.
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:03am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “minute a 6’7” ex-president has several short, fat agents….”
    
    Back up.. 😃 Baron is 6 feet 7 inches. He towers over Donald.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:57am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      My bad, Donald is 6’3” not 6’7”. But still towered above those 5’ something secret service agents.
      
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      July 21, 2024 11:18am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I think he is 6 feet 1 inch. Maybe. There is no way on earth that Baron is only 4 inches taller than Donald. 😳 Look at some photos.
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:00pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        I got Donald’s height from the interweb, so might be wrong. Baron might be taller than 6’7”? Perhaps you can arrange to measure them.
        
        Point was, short bodyguards aren’t really bodyguards for tall bodies!
        
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        July 21, 2024 2:40pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        It’s the elevator shoes
        
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        July 21, 2024 3:08pm
- kowtow
  
  Cheatle wanted a 30 % female service , was actively recruiting at “Pride’ functions.
  
  Women can be SS agents but surely they need to be taller and stronger than their charges , for obvious reasons.
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:03am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Kowtow – I agree the selection shouldn’t be based on gender, it should be purely on competency.
    
    The reality of bodyguard protection detail is you need to be of a size to guard the body – in this case a 6’3” heavy set person. No one less than 6’3” should be on that team. Also they need to be able to manhandle him if required ie lift him and carry.
    
    Statistically there are just not going to be that many women that meet those criteria!
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:16am
Handyman

And so it begins….
You knew it was going to happen.
Once the government showed how easy it was influenced by lobby groups to get certain drugs funded by Pharmac other lobby groups are getting organised.
First off the block is a fat reducing drug. Expect an intense advertising campaign letting people know anyone can lose weight with a pill, in order to build public demand.
Cue the appearance of a new obesity rights groups advocating the government fund the drug.
Lots of sob stories about fat people unable to afford fat loss drugs. The media do not need to be bought as they will do any anti government story for free. “Weight justice” groups will pop up as always “Maori and Pacifica are disproportionally affected by this racist government’s health policies”.
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July 21, 2024 9:01am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Some years ago we had a wonderful Tv series called Spin Doctors. It took the piss out of the public relations industry in a merciless manner.
  Handyman, were you a script writer for that series?
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:31am
- Manu-Rau
  
  I read that article and called BS immediately. The guy claimed the pill helped him lose half a kg per week. Even minor lifestyle changes can take off a kilogram per week: I know that from personal experience. It just takes a little self-discipline.
  
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  July 21, 2024 1:58pm
  - Handyman
    
    Exactly Manu-Rau, but you are a sensible person who does not think like a victim.
    As a victim of obesity you are not responsible for being fat, so you “deserve” the pills to reduce weight.
    Of course, once you are taking the free pills, you can eat a lot more.
    
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    July 21, 2024 3:23pm
- NoFax
  
  I assume you mean drugs like Ozempic and Zepbound. If they are as successful in reducing weight as the studies so far suggest then from a cost to benefit perspective it would make a lot of sense to find l fund these drugs. Reducing obesity would prevent a lot of other health spending later on and, therefore, Pharmac should be getting these drugs into the hands of everyone who needs them.
  
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  July 21, 2024 3:58pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Here you go, Handyman
  
  http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522704/wellington-company-director-finlay-thompson-loses-30kg-taking-ozempic-wants-medication-funded
  
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  July 21, 2024 4:37pm
Yvette

One thought expressed –
The Trump assassination attempt was the predictable result of our mainstream media, politicians and institutions systematically raising the rhetorical tensions by demonising ordinary conservative people and ideas as radical, extreme, far-right, racist, and so on.

Is it that the main stream media are not reporting any motive for the shooter because it was main stream media which radicalized him?

So what has New Zealand main stream media done here – or is this just hopping on the same bandwaka?
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July 21, 2024 9:18am
- Ghost
  
  It’s because there has been no motive yet found
  
  More information to be released on our Tuesday
  
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/just-trump-would-be-assassin-thomas-matthew-crooks/
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:40am
- Philview
  
  The weekend editorial in the ODT talked about Donald Trump’s cult like status and sycophants at the Republican Convention. The editor seems to have forgotten the NZ media’s own sycophantic worship of the cult of Jacinda.
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:42am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Shooting at a guy, clipping his ear and then seeing him stand up and shake his fist in defiance while blood streams down his face – these are images that are going to raise the DT cult to new levels.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:00am
  - kowtow
    
    Have you seen their sychophantic nonsense about Swarbick ?
    
    Nauseating.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:04am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    … cult like status…
    
    FFS. Projection enabled by memory loss and living in a bubble. In my lifetime alone here are the following leaders that were worshipped, at least in their early phases until reality bit:
    
    – David Lange
    – Bill Clinton
    – Tony Blair
    – Barack Obama (nothing has exceeded 2008)
    – Jacinda Ardern
    
    All Lefties of varying shades.
    
    I don’t recall anything similar on the Right, not even towards the likes of Thatcher and Reagan . Respect, sure, but that’s about as far as it went.
    
    Maybe I just read too many Lefty news sources back in the day!!!!
    
    The last one that had somewhat of a cult following on the Right in this country was Rob Muldoon with “Rob’s Mob”, and even then there were plenty on the Right who looked at Muldoon with a jaundiced eye even before he really began to fuck up in the early 80’s.
    
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    July 21, 2024 1:04pm
    - MCōs
      
      I’m not exactly sure what you mean by ‘worshipped’
      Those leaders you list were certainly popular for a period of time, as was John Key, Norm Kirk and if you want to go back further M J Savage.
      
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      July 21, 2024 5:59pm
      - Mike
        
        Tom is still struggling a bit to get over his 2016 support for anyone but Trump. His contempt for former popular leaders is a useful coping mechanism along the lines of “no, you are”.
        
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        July 21, 2024 6:44pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    And as an extra on that front, this article writes of the sudden turnabout from the Democrats about Biden’s “condition” – with the MSM immediately falling in line on both narratives.
    
    Iin particular with Barack Obama and him having to lead a brain-frozen Biden off the stage at Clooney’s LA fundraiser in early June, and then sitting back and staying quiet while the MSM pushed the “Deep Fakes” bs about it. Whereas now the NYT is writing about how “shaken” Obama was by seeing Biden’s “decline”. As the article says:
    
    There will never be another figure with as much control over the press as Obama. It’s astonishing the level of deference they apply to him. If he says Biden isn’t senile, they fall in line and begin a relentless campaign to push that narrative. If he says Biden is senile, they kiss his feet and thank him for being such a truthful statesman. The only constant is reporting Obama’s words as unimpeachable, no matter how many times his dishonesty is revealed.
    
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    July 21, 2024 3:30pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I think they are scared of boosting Trumps popularity from this event. Because there is no doubt that this event will turn support towards Trump. So the MSM are now trying to minimise the uplift.
  
  I heard on NZ radio a lefty commentator (sorry can’t recall who) saying it appears he just wanted to shoot a famous person, due to his phone having internet searches of several high profile politicians. This is a deliberate strategy to minimise that Trump was the one shot at.
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:56am
  - Ghost
    
    No. People want the facts to be released, and one of those was he had searched also on Biden the Democrat convention and on royals. Do you on,y want certain information to be released?
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:01am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Yes agreed we want facts – sadly something MSM is not that good at!
      
      As an example, MSM speculating that the shooters google searches are a list of potential assassination targets isn’t a fact. Now if he was clearly researching how to get sniper access to venues they were going to be at then that would be more compelling. But ridiculous speculation to imply all his online searches show he just wanted to knock off a famous person!
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:25am
      - Ghost
        
        MSM are just reporting what was released to them. It was released he had searched trump, Democrat convention and royals. Had trump and Biden photos on this phone. That he had two phones and encrypted overseas accounts. He had a range finder on him. This was told to the media by senators. They are reporting what they are being told.
        
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        July 21, 2024 10:31am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Ghost I admire your idealism. This media you speak of that only wants to report facts is not the media that I see that are constantly partisan and expressing opinions. For instance, it was the NZ Herald that took the stance that 90% of NZers should be vaccinated and it was their job to lobby for that outcome.
        
        I think you will find the media see themselves as shapers of ‘right think’and that is more important than being objective reporters of facts. Which in turn has led to the all-time low trust in legacy media.
        
        As an example, you and I have both found really interesting SS sniper interviews giving insights on the Trump assassination. But we don’t see this being done by legacy media. Why not? Why aren’t they calling out the ridiculousness of a 5’something bodyguard protecting a 6’3” target? Is it because championing DEI ideology is more important than the facts?
        
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        July 21, 2024 10:49am
      - Ghost
        
        The media are reporting everything they have on this when they get it because it is the biggest story they have, for now.
        
        And those interviews from the secret service lacked any facts from the day, something that you would be bitching about the msm if they did. They are interesting interviews but they lack the facts. Now you have whinging that msm are releasing facts that are known that have been released to them by senators, then you whinge the msm won’t run reports from former agents who are guessing in a lot of what they are saying about what happened and should happen. The interviews ae good, they are are full of much information that people need to know. They are views from an inside prospective, but even the former agent I watched said he wanted to see what the agents did, knew, what happened, he is waiting for the information to be released.
        
        What for the information to be released, and don’t moan when you don’t like the information that is released.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:39pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Get off your high horse Ghost!
      
      My original point was the media in general are scared this will give more credence to Trump. They want to supress the positive publicity he will get from this. The legacy media are generally shown to be biased left – there are a few exceptions that are biased right. In general they are very derogatory towards Trump.
      
      No they clearly don’t just present the facts ie shooter looked up these websites etc. The media, in this instance the ZB commentator said that he was actively looking to target a famous person, not just Trump.
      
      Im not moaning or whinging or bitching or whatever else you want to put on my opinion. You are deluded or extremely naive to think the media are the guardians of truth and distributors of facts. But keep on going in to bat for them, because they clearly need all the advocacy they can get.
      
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      July 21, 2024 2:34pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    To late, Polls on Friday had Trump over 50% for the first time ever
    
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    July 21, 2024 11:00am
  - Manu-Rau
    
    Possibly Tim Roxborough on Newstalk ZB. Filling in for the slightly less inane Sigh and Fool over the skool* holidays.
    
    While he has always been a smug, pathetic leftie, when he gets onto the subject of Trump he becomes seriously unhinged.
    
    (* Deliberate mis-spelling to wind up Mike, Mcos, et al.)
    
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    July 21, 2024 12:25pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Could well be true. A frustrated but smart/competent kid, with the Narcissism and Nihilism commonly fostered by our age and social media, felt he would never rise to any personally satisfactory level of status.
    
    So he decides to make a big noise with his suicide-by-cop, perhaps without much caring who the target was – just making as big an impact as possible. Common pathology amongst school shooters etc.
    
    It seems he was clever enough to hide his IT tracks well, do good planning and reconnaissance work, and not reveal plans to anyone who might have dobbed him in.
    
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    July 21, 2024 2:01pm
- Mike
  
  No, and no.
  
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  July 21, 2024 11:39am
- Manu-Rau
  
  Yes, and yes.
  
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  July 21, 2024 12:28pm
- MCōs
  
  Young Crooks was only twenty. Far more Americans that age get their info from social media than news outlets. As you’d expect
  Social media is notoriously inaccurate and opinionated
  https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/01/12/more-than-eight-in-ten-americans-get-news-from-digital-devices/
  The chances of someone turning into a homicidal maniac by opinions expressed in the likes of the NYT is prettier much zero.
  
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  July 21, 2024 7:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

From around 9pm last night.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/mp-treaty-ignorance-costs/

Video 14 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1vS2I8vlEA
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July 21, 2024 10:02am
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets.

The biggest concern is that JD Vance doesn’t understand
women feel the same way about their bodies….

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1814747145028968597
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July 21, 2024 10:06am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I suspect if they had a voice, the unborn child would feel the same way about their body.
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:27am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Possibly. But then, the fully sentient adult in need of a kidney donation, or even just a bit of blood, to save his life undoubtedly has a voice, and can use it to point to all the things he’s achieved in life, and his lovely wife and children, and his hopes and dreams for their and his own future.
    
    He still doesn’t have the right to compel me to allow him use of my body. Not even after my death.
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:40am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Interesting but completely irrelevant straw man Dud. I think the the following scenario is a more accurate way of asking the question:
      
      It is not OK for a power company to shutoff electricity supply to a persons house dependent on life support. So then why is it OK for the unborn child’s life support to be shutdown?
      
      Most people solve this moral quandary by dehumanising the unborn child.
      
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      July 21, 2024 10:55am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        Yours is a less valid analogy than mine. Your life support system requires electricity. Continuing with an unwanted pregnancy requires the enforced and unconsented use of another person’s body.
        
        These two things are not the same.
        
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        July 21, 2024 12:08pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Continuing with an unwanted pregnancy doesn’t require enforcement nor consent – it is the status quo.
        
        Termination of the unborn child requires an action, not to provide that action is not the same as unconsented use and enforcement.
        
        The life support of the unborn child starts at conception; thats a fact of nature. Non-informed consent is generally given by the woman at that point. To equate this to unconsented use is a ridiculous position.
        
        Morally non-informed consent or acting without regard for consequences is the issue that should get more focus. Killing an unborn child is murder unless you reduce the unborn child to a sub-human status.
        
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        July 21, 2024 1:54pm
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        I haven’t reduced the status of the unborn child. I’ve given it exactly the same status and rights as an adult. Those rights do not include unconsented use of another’s body.
        
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        July 21, 2024 4:04pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Consent was given when the landlord tenanted their house. Ignorance is not an excuse.
        
        Big gaslight to turn that around on the unborn child as the squatter.
        
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        July 21, 2024 9:06pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Dudley, while you say you are treating the unborn child the same as an adult that is not what they are. Children are the outcome of their parents actions not the other way around. A cancerous tumour or a parasite could be given the status of unconsented use of a body – thus it is OK to kill them. It is pretty grim world that an unborn child has the same legal standing as a cancer or a parasite!
        
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        July 21, 2024 9:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Green Odyssey…

sun & sails….
sounds Idyllic…

Mystery surrounds how the couple’s planned voyage turned to tragedy, with fears growing that their reliance on sail and an electric engine powered by solar panels, may have left them without back-up when things went wrong.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/british-eco-adventurer-found-dead-with-husband-in-lifeboat-off-canadian-coast/IFY7QKCE7JBQZGYM2YQVESQ5FQ/
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July 21, 2024 10:20am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hmm. Or, the story speculates, their yacht may have been run down by a bulk carrier.
  
  Anyway, RIP.
  
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  July 21, 2024 3:16pm
Jake Dee

For those interested in how the digital meme culture is responding to the assassination attempt check out this. Donald Trump enters the studio after being shot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biBwMi1H3y0

The song it’s based on is “Many Men” by Curtis James Jackson III better known as “50 cent”. Jackson’s career and credibility got a significant boost when he was shot 9 times in an incident in 2000. I attribute that outcome to both the excellent skills of American emergency medical services and the very poor skills of American street gangsters.
Joking aside, this sort of video shows that Trump is gaining credibility with people you might not consider natural Trump supporters.
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July 21, 2024 10:33am
Maggie Pie

And an interesting poll from Colmar-Brunton….

‘Should New Zealand reintroduce the death penalty?”

https://x.com/2ETEKA/status/1814033050571055438

Heaps of people we know will be voting *NZF* next time.
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July 21, 2024 11:07am
- AitchW
  
  Waste of time even asking the question. NZ will never reintroduce capital punishment.
  It’s politically unpalatable to all the major parties.
  
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  July 21, 2024 11:46am
  - peterwn
    
    Also a USA economist calculated the cost benefits between capital punishment and life imprisonment and found that life imprisonment was more economic when the cost of endless trials, community disruptions, etc were taken into account.
    
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    July 21, 2024 12:20pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Depends on the number of potential levels of review. Reduce it to one and it wouldn’t be expensive.
      
      I still agree that lifetime imprisonment would be cheaper, but we should put it out to tender in 3rd world. Eg $1000 a year to Rwanda to imprison lifers with a million dollar penalty if they escape. We would save NZ a lot of money wasted on dead-weight prisoners.
      
      We should do similar with long term prisoner sentences in pacific island prisons with better conditions than Rwanda for perhaps $10-20k a year per prisoner. Provides jobs and income for Islands that NZ taxpayers help to support anyway. They don’t need to be unpleasant.
      
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      July 21, 2024 2:07pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Peter: That is only the case if you look at American capital punishment regimes – there are 50 of them – because murder is a state crime.
      
      It was extremely cheap in the UK…ONE appeal, if that was denied, the prisoner died within three weeks – unless the Home Secretary granted a reprieve. It was exactly the same in NZ prior to abolition in 1961, except that the person of last resort was the Attorney General and not the Home Secretary.
      
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      July 21, 2024 4:13pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    I disagree, never say never. History is long and as military law has the death penalty and as New Zealand already has provisions for martial law in case of a state of emergency, it is correct to say that New Zealand already HAS the death penalty. It’s just a matter of circumstances.
    I can come up with a scenario that has New Zealand law enforcement officers legally executing New Zealanders for murder and looting within a year from today, and it wouldn’t be a bizarre science fiction scenario either.
    A major volcanic eruption in New Zealand isn’t a matter of IF, but rather When and how big? We have already seen what a worldwide pandemic looks like, my grandparents saw world war burn across the Pacific.
    Put two or even all three of those circumstances together at the same time and New Zealand is back to the law of the gun and justice by the rope.
    
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    July 21, 2024 8:44pm
    - Mike
      
      NZ abolished the death penalty for military offences 35 years ago.
      
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      July 21, 2024 9:59pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        That is very interesting, and I was unaware, but you are talking about military courts for military personnel during the normal course of events. I am thinking about what could happen in a state of emergency. Those are exceptional circumstances but not impossible, so never say never.
        
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        July 22, 2024 1:26am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: Never going to happen…and for the reasons I explained to you last week, if we did re-introduce it, it would have the opposite effect to that intended…notwithstanding the views of all your “besties” at tennis.
  
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  July 21, 2024 4:15pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Sorry DG… but you haven’t a cloo what you’re talking about when it comes to ‘Capital Punishment’.
    
    Assume you didn’t read the story by Anna Leask in The Herald yesterday?
    New Zealand’s worst and longest-serving murderers, rapists and child molesters…. 47 of them. They will all be released at SOME stage.
    If you’re happy about that… then my tennis besties are a lot smarter than you.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    July 21, 2024 4:43pm
    - Mike
      
      Quite a few people aerving life sentences will never be released.
      
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      July 21, 2024 6:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dan Bongino connects the dots.
The Secret Service involves a bit more than running around in circles yelling out “Donald Duck!”
Bongino knows, he was once part of the Secret Service. Trained out to a thousand yards and they didn’t get this right? Blame everyone except yourselves!

https://patriotpulse.net/dan-bongino-just-connected-all-the-dots-about-the-trump-assassination-attempt-that-has-the-secret-service-panicking/?
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July 21, 2024 12:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrat mega-Donor had a comment after Trump being shot:

https://patriotpulse.net/donald-trump-could-not-believe-what-a-democrat-mega-donor-told-reporters-about-him-getting-shot/?
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July 21, 2024 12:11pm
Ghost

Another party that has a never ending story

New questions are being raised about the electoral return of Tāmaki Makarau MP Takutai Tarsh Kemp.

The Electoral Commission has confirmed it is reviewing the MP’s campaign donation and expense declarations following a Q+A story about a van registered to Manurewa Marae that Kemp used at last year’s election.

The MP’s electoral return contains no reference to the marae or the use of its van.

Article
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July 21, 2024 12:19pm
Maggie Pie

Really interesting thread to follow on ‘X’.

Updated regularly, even by Elon himself…..(35M views)

https://x.com/hashtag/TrumpAssasinationAttempt?src=hashtag_click
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July 21, 2024 1:00pm
Jack5

Is this what’s happening to NZ universities? Foreign students filling a high proportion of science-engineering-maths courses?

What economist and philosopher Thomas Sowell calls “international universities” supported by, in his case, American taxpayers?

https://youtube.com/shorts/SFdvj0py3fg?si=hZSbKGh1l5-Nybhy
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July 21, 2024 2:15pm
Jack5

Tongan Government moves to shut out Musk’s Starlink satellite internet coverage.

What will Tonga do next time a volcano or earthquakes breaks its cable links?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/522706/pacific-countries-are-still-weighing-elon-musk-s-starlink-despite-hopes-its-satellites-will-connect-their-remote-islands
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July 21, 2024 2:22pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone else see Q&A this morning? Simon Watts is almost as bad as Tame. Methane is not a problem.

https://methane-accord.co.nz/
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July 21, 2024 2:37pm
Maggie Pie

Sources familiar with the matter are saying
Israel intends bombing Yemen forward to the stone-age.
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July 21, 2024 2:47pm
- AitchW
  
  Won’t take many bombs….
  
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  July 21, 2024 4:41pm
- Jake Dee
  
  That is exactly the high-handed arrogant thinking that gets people into serious trouble.
  Those sandal wearing Houthis were the first military in the world to hit a ship with a ballistic missile.
  they’ve given the US navy the hottest engagement it’s had since WWII.
  They hit downtown Tel Aviv a distance of more than 1000 miles. That the building they hit might also house an American consulate could just be a coincidence but then again maybe not.
  Underestimating your enemy is a good way to lose.
  of course they aren’t MY enemy, I’m well out of this fight. But it will be interesting to watch and learn how much the Americans, British and French are willing to spend to save the Israelis from the Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Iraqis, Yemenis and Iranians.
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump indicted for moving his head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iOLXJ04uog
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July 21, 2024 3:15pm
rouppe

Oh, how desperately they try and avoid saying the truth.

The flightless bird were once endemic in New Zealand but became extinct within 100 years of human settlement, primarily due to over-hunting.

And

It’s estimated when Polynesians settled in New Zealand moa numbers ranged between 58K and 2.5million.

Just say it. When Maori settled in New Zealand there were up to 2.5 million, and they hunted them to extinction
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July 21, 2024 7:05pm
- MCōs
  
  Could have been the Moriori or before them the Celts or the Welsh that someone contended predated the Māori
  
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  July 21, 2024 7:43pm
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    Didn’t realise Celts and Welsh were Polynesian.
    
    Thanks for the social studies revisionism.
    
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    July 21, 2024 8:42pm
- Mike
  
  There were massive changes to the ecosystem in every part of the world humans have settled.
  
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  July 21, 2024 10:04pm
Scooter

Timing is everything but I guess it’s just a coincidence her diagnosis is during the investigation of dodgy goings on at Manurewa Marae.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/ex-manurewa-marae-ceo-and-te-pati-maori-mp-takutai-moana-natasha-kemp-to-take-leave-after-kidney-disease-diagnosis/QEOLOPWHGBFAJI3JSUAGU355VA/
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July 21, 2024 7:32pm
- rouppe
  
  Interesting how the health system was a white supremacist industry intent on genocide a week or so ago, and now one of their own is galloping straight there.
  
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  July 21, 2024 8:45pm
Hugh Jarse

I wish her well in her treatment and recovery. I do hope the Greens put the rest of the girls through medical testing to try and get ahead of these ongoing health issues that seem to be diagnosed shortly after any investigation is announced. The Green females do seem particularly susceptible to this trend.
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July 21, 2024 9:21pm
- Ghost
  
  The mp today is Māori party.
  
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  July 21, 2024 9:26pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Details, details
    
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    July 21, 2024 10:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care will be released on Wednesday.

It’s 16 volumes long…..

Those responsible for abuse and the covering-up of abuse will be well hidden in those many pages.

https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/07/22/the-crown-is-in-the-dock-the-verdict-is-in/
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