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Mike

Happy birthday Mr Luxon!
Your stout centrist leadership is keeping the ship of state on a steady course in the middle. You have been particularly astute in giving your edgier coalition partners some baubles and toys to keep them occupied without risking too much damage to the National/Labour consensus.
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July 19, 2024 8:01am
- peterwn
  
  Time to wake up to reality, mate.
  
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  July 19, 2024 8:37am
- cmm
  
  Substitute soggy for stout and I could probably give you an uptick for that Mike.
  
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  July 19, 2024 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You do know he is an activist for Maori right?
  Ask him what HE thinks about Co-Governance and see what sort of “stout” answer you get. He will no answer, he will divert.
  
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  July 19, 2024 8:48am
- Grunter
  
  How can a leader with income tax increases, runs deficits and grows debt – all baked in for 2026-2028, be called “Middle” or “Centralist”?
  
  Sorry Mike – we are still stuck in a clear-cut pathway of socialism. Luxon is a “Leftist”
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Under Labour the deficits were till 2031
    
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    July 19, 2024 11:05am
    - Matt Long
      
      Under the greens NZ would never run a Surplus, does that make labour right wing?
      
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      July 19, 2024 12:42pm
  - Paulus
    
    But a different form of Socialist !
    
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    July 19, 2024 2:27pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Interesting that the research on the 2020 election proved that it was the ‘centre’ rewarding the incumbent govt for its management of COVID-19.
  
  It was nothing to do with the people’s love for the Labour Party and its sterling policies, or even for Jacinda herself – despite however Talbot Mills tried to justify their electoral success…
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:11am
- Biscuit
  
  Mike, you do realise that if Chippie had ‘won’ the last Election he’d have needed to be in a ménage à quatre involving his own party, the Greens, Te Pāti Māori AND Winston First.
  
  This would have fared how?
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:27am
  - Mike
    
    Even more entertainingly than the present circus?
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:29am
    - Biscuit
      
      Perhaps, Mike, but what I meant was that in these days of Coalition Governments no-one gets their way all the time.
      
      Te Media Party, though, jump into ‘COALITION IN PANIC!’ mode the moment one party or other in that coalition yields to majority support from the other coalition parties.
      
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      July 19, 2024 9:40am
      - Mike
        
        Minor parties in coalitions get sidelined – who knew?
        More fun than the occasional backbench ‘rebel’ in the old days
        
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        July 19, 2024 10:18am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What circus? The only circus is media and that weak useless Hipkins. In reality Labours high inflation is starting too settle, interest rates down now this year not mid next year under Labour, unemployment will level off as soon as people start feeling lower interest rates.
      
      Also if you check last weeks poll then you will see the people are starting to get it, Labour struggling in mid 20s, Luxon shot up to mid 30s for pm, while Hipkins wallows just above the lunatic Chloe, so good on you for being one of the fools thinking this government is a circus
      
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      July 19, 2024 11:14am
    - AitchW
      
      Entertaining but for the fact that they would have destroyed New Zealand as we know it.
      Rampant inflation, massive brain drain and capital flight, exponential growth in the public service, equally exponential growth in beneficiary numbers, dwindling tax payer base and crippling racial tension.
      Entertaining to watch from afar, utterly soul destroying for the squeezed (totally crushed) middle
      left here to watch in despair.
      Hey, but we’d have lots of cycle lanes and light rail promised, and every school kid would be fluent in
      Te Reo and tikanga.
      Very useful when we ran out of gas and electricity….
      
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      July 19, 2024 11:23am
      - Damocles11
        
        Interesting that NZ has been ‘destroyed’ – I agree with that – but at the same time people like G from D think we are ‘on the cusp of something special’ and all it takes is some cuts to the OCR. Plenty of delusional thinking around, the problem is that Luxon and Willis probably share it.
        
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        July 19, 2024 1:18pm
  - Damocles11
    
    I don’t want to be told “but Chippy”, I want better from Luxon and co. The alternative is worse goes without saying. If you use a terrible mechanic you don’t celebrate when you replace them with one that is simply bad.
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:59am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Hahaha, he was suggesting ministers are running a muck, let’s not forget how disgusting his ministers were, he is a total deluded fool
      
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      July 19, 2024 11:15am
      - Mike
        
        amok
        
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        July 19, 2024 12:27pm
  - Jethrod
    
    Wouldn’t know which way to turn!
    
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    July 19, 2024 12:55pm
peterwn

Jacinda’s ‘Captain’s Call’ is coming home to roost.
Gas suppliers are not interested in tendering for an ‘all of government’ piped gas contract expiring 30 September. This covers hospitals, prison, schools and presumably other Government facilities and would be applicable in the North Island only (source BusinessDesk paywalled article). Presumably each facility would need to negotiate its own gas contract (ie sign up with a retailer like everyone else) at presumably vastly higher gas price than before.
Making a statesmanlike ‘Captain’s Call’ is all very well but the potential consequences need to be identified and dealt with in a meaningful manner. This was not going to happen with the previous governent who could not even organise a piss-up in a brewery.
A potential consequence of the ‘Captain’s Call’ is the likely need to import gas (LNG) on an interim basis.
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July 19, 2024 8:01am
- NothingLeft
  
  A ~~potential~~ consequence of the ‘Captain’s Call’ is the ~~likely~~ need to import gas (LNG) on a~~n interim~~ long term basis.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:03am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Yes, nothing “potential” about it.
    
    Almost like stupid decisions have consequences.
    
    Maybe she can teach that on her gurrl power leadership course?
    
    Of course, half of her party, and all of the Greens will celebrate this as “decarbonisation”
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:40am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think we even have an LNG loading terminal, even though with the amount of gas in the world – especially with all the fracking results in the US – LNG tankers are becoming more common.
    
    IIRC quite a few of the US LNG terminals were built as import terminals, because that was the expectation at the time, but by the early 2010’s they were being converted to export.
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:41am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep, where will you put one and the cost alone to build one.
      It is what I have mentioning for a long time.
      
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      July 19, 2024 11:08am
      - Taieri
        
        You can put FSRU anywhere, as shown here:
        
        https://www.wartsila.com/insights/article/lng-terminals-land-based-vs-floating-storage-and-regasification-technology
        
        Even some very small countries have one:
        
        https://www.kn.lt/en/our-activities/lng-terminals/klaipeda-lng-terminal/559
        
        Not that it’s ever going to happen in NZ.
        
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        July 19, 2024 1:53pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What is the gas terminal in Dunedin for? The gas ship turns up here about every 10 days
      
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      July 19, 2024 11:18am
      - Taieri
        
        LPG
        
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        July 19, 2024 1:53pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Both your paragraphs are correct.
      
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      July 19, 2024 11:19am
  - Grunter
    
    And coal from Indonesia……
    
    Ardern’s “Green Maths” Captain’s Call on O&G was rewarded with more than 50% of the vote a few years later.
    
    We deserve what the majority voted for!
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:49am
    - mawm
      
      50% of our population have an IQ below 100.
      
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      July 19, 2024 4:04pm
  - kevn
    
    Nothing… and so keep it, the NZ gas for the Chinese.
    
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    July 19, 2024 11:16am
  - Jack5
    
    While we’re talking gas 😄😄 … .
    
    Just how actively Australia is seeking gas resources is shown in the following suspiciously Green article.
    
    Twenty-eight per cent of Australia’s land mass is currently subject to gas exploration or applications from gas companies. This includes 70% of the Northern Territory, 59% of South Australia, 14% of Western Australia and 13% of Queensland.
    
    The Australian Government is opening over 80,000 sq km of offshore waters to gas companies.
    
    This information is from this biased Green article:
    
    https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resources/australia-existing-proposed-gas-projects/
    
    Meanwhile, further north ….
    
    NZ helped Australia get Indonesia out of East Timor.
    
    Australia has offered East Timor a deal on offshore gas, a deal the Aussies hope will counter the Timor government’s relationship with China.
    
    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/how-australia-east-timor-treaty-unlocks-us65bil-gas-fields…
    
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    July 19, 2024 11:29am
- David Garrett
  
  Peter: what do you mean “on an interim basis”? No exploration company will ever come here again, for the very simple reason that the Princess’s “captain’s call” destroyed political certainty, which is one major thing we had going for us as a place to explore.
  
  The only solution will be another government funded exploration company – Petrocorp 2.0 if you like.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:10am
  - Master Mariner
    
    You get it David.
    In all honesty, NZ will have to underwrite any further investment for O&G exploration
    With a timeframe of 30+ Years.
    Everyone knows this except the General public.
    Scorched Earth comes to mind.
    
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    July 19, 2024 11:13am
- kowtow
  
  UK under Labour doing exactly the same thing. And promising to empty the prisons .
  
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  July 19, 2024 10:00am
- Inandout
  
  peter, a PM can virtually destroy a country’s economy and walk away unscathed. Why are politicians exempt from any form of legal action following disastrous edicts?
  
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  July 19, 2024 10:07am
  - Omni Consumer Products
    
    Why are politicians exempt from any form of legal action following disastrous edicts?
    
    Because that prosecutorial power would eventually be used corruptly (just look to the US), and the fear of future prosecution could cause a government to act sub-optimally in a crisis, where they cover their asses instead of covering ours.
    
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    July 19, 2024 11:49am
artemisia

Am I the only one sick of hearing interest groups in the media sobbing they need more (free) money, or else bad things will happen. Like a business will close, people will get sick or laid off, teachers will have to teach in the school library sometimes…..

Well, taxpayer funding does dry up so where are the plans to increase income, reduce costs or even suck up less than ideal situations. Used to be called #8 wire, aka living within our means.
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July 19, 2024 8:13am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Yes, NZ was built on one room school houses, where the teacher was in charge of everything to do with running the school. Education standards were a lot higher too, as parents had a strong interest in what their kids were learning.
  
  Now that the bureaucracy runs the system, parents have been forced out, and standards are down the toilet.
  
  What exactly do 5,000 education bureaucrats do all day anyway?
  
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  July 19, 2024 8:22am
  - cmm
    
    5000 education bureaucrats, 2500 schools = 2 per school.
    Yup, it is unbelievably top heavy.
    
    Those schools would all do way better with 2 more teachers instead or a 10% increase in teachers’ pay to attract better staff.
    Or better yet – leave the money in taxpayers’ wallets.
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:11am
  - imalwaysright
    
    5000 bureacrats is about 1 per 140 students.
    At a salary of $100k, that is over $700 per student every year.
    That would buy a decent uniform and some text books every year.
    
    Then there is the question :
    
    “What exactly do 5,000 education bureaucrats do all day anyway?
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:12am
    - Colville
      
      Then there is the question :
      
      “What exactly do 5,000 education bureaucrats do all day anyway?
      
      Here is another question..
      
      Would the quality of education be better or worse if that number was reduced to 500??
      
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      July 19, 2024 10:16am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Better. It can’t get any worse.
        I was thinking 400
        
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        July 19, 2024 1:55pm
    - kevn
      
      imal… Working out ways and systems to keep their jobs.
      
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      July 19, 2024 11:17am
    - NothingLeft
      
      US department of education has fewer employees than NZ’s 5000 strong Ministry of Education.
      
      Massive headcount bloat while outcomes have been plummeting.
      
      Why would we need more in Ministry of Education now than in 80’s-90’s when education standards were generally higher?
      
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      July 19, 2024 12:19pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    What exactly do 5,000 education bureaucrats do all day anyway?
    
    Hire consultants to do their work.
    
    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/editors-picks/business-of-education-ministrys-consulting-bill-surges-by-450
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:14am
  - Paulus
    
    Noticing today that children are still not going to school particularly on a Friday, could it be that a. the curriculum is rat shit, and b. the standard of teaching in the main is piss poor.
    The obtuse curriculum is heavily against any common sense = why not teach real History as opposed to Mumbo Jumbo.
    With the real teachers having retired or joined the Department of Education what is left is a large group of Unionised young so called professionals but they are not in the main. Many found that there were no jobs available but they could be a Teacher – good pay long holidays out at 3pm.
    I lived until recently next door/ backing on to a Primary School, sorry now called a Kura.
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:21am
    - Ghost
      
      It’s school holidays
      
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      July 19, 2024 9:23am
      - kowtow
        
        Must you ?
        
        The figures are for Term 2 , 2024 and even Capt F’en Obvious would know it doesn’t relate to holidays .
        
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        July 19, 2024 10:07am
    - kowtow
      
      Explain the over representation of Maoris and PIs not going to school.
      
      Nothing to do with the schools really , those arguments have been used for ages .
      
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      July 19, 2024 10:05am
  - JackRabbit
    
    What exactly do 5,000 education bureaucrats do all day anyway?
    
    The same thing ‘Gestapo’ types do anywhere in the world. Not do, not teach, not manage.
    
    They monitor, looking for anyone that is not sticking to the mandated narrative, and they report infractions to their superiors.
    
    Which then results in individual teachers being hauled up for crimes; and also results in changes in policy to stamp out dissent and free speech.
    
    It is time for home schooling, and home schooling parents to establish home schooling groups. Oh wait, schools. Without the education Gestapo.
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:27am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Jack
      
      Exactly.
      The only problem the NZ education system has is the staff.
      
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      July 19, 2024 9:58am
      - leoj
        
        Addition: LEFT LEANING STAFF (thanks to the f#*king unions).
        
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        July 19, 2024 1:09pm
      - Taieri
        
        The only problem the NZ education system has is the staff
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        No. The only problem with the NZ education system (as with all the other systems) is the NZ population tolerating all this crap. And encouraging it every 3 years at the general election.
        
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        July 19, 2024 1:58pm
- kowtow
  
  NZME Herald today has editorial about closure of a restaurant (they really are going on about that place SPQR,ffs) and “bars , eateries need support to survive”
  
  But the msm urging us to go out and spend were the cheerleaders of the Ardern regime spendthrift economic vandalism and lockdowns that have led us into this hard place.
  
  Get real msm and support small govt , less regulation and more economic freedom .That’s the prescription that’s needed.
  
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  July 19, 2024 8:23am
  - Paulus
    
    Problem is now $49.99 for a main plus vegies etc.
    Fish and chips $12 max.
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:23am
    - Cassandra
      
      They’ve got to pay the dishwasher at least $48,000 a year.
      
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      July 19, 2024 9:58am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Raumati pub. $16.50 for a glass of house brand beer.
      Cheaper at the Ritz.
      The place was nearly empty for some reason.
      
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      July 19, 2024 10:02am
  - Damocles11
    
    When they say ‘need support to survive’ they probably mean taxpayer support via the strong arm of the state. Other than that, sorry, I won’t be spending up large in bars and restaurants and cafes. Not in a country with the cost of living the way it is. We still don’t have a government willing and able to tackle the supermarket duopoly, or willing and able to tackle local councils and their horrific rate rises. So I’ll pass, thanks.
    
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    July 19, 2024 1:23pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Dream on, Arte.
  Six long years of politically motivated free stuff from the Labour government has resulted in many, many entitled and ignorant people who have no idea where the money comes from and don’t care.
  They have been bought and want to stay that way.
  
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  July 19, 2024 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bought and brought. Brought into a job that did not exist and was not needed – the whole Public Sector!
    
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    July 19, 2024 8:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Teachers will have to teach” Heaven forbid that they have to teach instead of indoctrinate.
  
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  July 19, 2024 8:50am
  - imalwaysright
    
    A quarter of teachers college graduates failed one or more NCEA level 1 subjects.
    Can you imagine the poor students sitting listening to one of them all day.
    
    No wonder they don’t turn up.
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:19am
    - lifesgood
      
      Could it be that they are sick to death of having maori forced down their throats. Maori is totally irrelevant in the modern world and absolutely no use to anyone, except those poor beggars who choose to work for the government and woke companies in NZ.
      
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      July 19, 2024 9:56am
      - kowtow
        
        I doubt it.
        
        The people who are attracted to and in education in my experience are greenstone wearing , ki ora uttering ,whiteys who lurv the whole “I’m so with jacinda” vibe, “You’re not to sit on a table” and “It’s so white here “, we must pretend to cancel ourselves ( but not the good pay or resign to give a DEI placement a place at the trough.)
        
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        July 19, 2024 10:14am
      - Drone
        
        Currently EVERYBODY who wants to work in any government department needs to be able to karakia, speak maori (or be attending language lessons) and demonstrate a belief in the treaty of Waitangi. The government is the largest employer in New Zealand so it’s become very important to drink the cool aide.
        
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        July 19, 2024 11:52am
Matt Long

Internal memos from sugar companies in the late twentieth century set out how they paid two Harvard Professors to falsify data to sell their products.
Fortunately there’s totally no way that could happen now, and we can trust The Science.
https://youtube.com/shorts/BNDEd8_Joj8?si=vKXPBw7luwV38OoE
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July 19, 2024 8:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Recent studies have shown” That is when to walk away.
  
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  July 19, 2024 8:54am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Whenever you hear that phrase, also look for “could”, “might”, “experts agree” and “consensus”
    
    You will then know that this is another bullshit propaganda exercise to try and extract an economic rent from someone*.
    
    * someone is you and me – funny how every solution is an increase in tax, and a shifting of power and control to central bureaucrats.
    
    You will eat the cricket protein, own nothing and be grateful, Comrades!
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:46am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Insects are approved for human consumption in the EU.
      
      https://www.dw.com/en/eu-insects-climate-change/a-64503440
      
      How does that affect us? Will food from EU be labeled as containing insects?
      
      Is accepting insects in food part of aderns stellar EU trade agreement ?
      
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      July 19, 2024 10:22am
- Mike
  
  So Big Sugar is just like Big Oil or Big Tobacco, bribing people to pretend their industry is not harmful to people and the environment?
  Color me shocked.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:33am
  - AitchW
    
    What on earth is “Big Sugar”? Is there some sort of sugar cartel whose members are growing obscenely wealthy by making poor children obese?
    Or perhaps there are simply sugar manufacturers and sellers who sell a commodity just like tea, coffee or chocolate?
    Perhaps “Big Hot Beverage” is coming to get us next….
    
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    July 19, 2024 11:30am
  - Matt Long
    
    By big oil, I assume you mean the people pushing rancid, polyunsaturated, hydrogenated and trans vegetable oils into the food chain Mike?
    
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    July 19, 2024 12:49pm
    - Mike
      
      Them too
      
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      July 19, 2024 1:48pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Replace all the words after big with Pharma and then you can start listing out all those they were bribing in Government, Universities, Medical practice etc over the past three years.
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:41pm
Chuck Bird

Another reason not to vote for Creepy Joe

Ashley Biden Confirms It Was Her Diary – Here’s What it Said About Joe Biden, with Ruthless Hosts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnyojTcuj8Q&t=331s
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July 19, 2024 8:25am
- Scott
  
  In contrast to Joe Biden, Trump is the dominant political figure in the world today. If you don’t believe it then look at this video of children in Uganda re-enacting the Trump assassination attempt.
  
  Kids in Uganda recognise Trump’s courage and fortitude in the face of fire.
  Trump has got courage and even the kids in Africa see it and admire him for it.
  
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/07/trump-and-the-world-spirit.php
  
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  July 19, 2024 8:28am
  - sirknz
    
    But Joe has Covid19 and he is just as brave and strong as Trump standing up after being shot at when he fights it off at his advanced age!
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:15am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Tested positive to Covid19 (the flu). Same as 85% of the population if they bothered to get tested.
      
      Its all deflection – just like a schoolyard bully. “I hit little Donny on the jaw real hard, and now I have a sprained wrist. Feel sorry for me.”
      
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      July 19, 2024 9:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Put Joe right in front of Megyn Kelly and let her pop the question.
  It is time joe and his pedo friends were exposed.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:03am
  - Mike
    
    It’s only a matter of time before one of Biden’s victims calls him out for it. Biden denies it, calls the woman crazy, is successfully sued for defamation, and judicially labeled as the sex-pest he is.
    Or Biden is caught using campaign funds to pay hush money to a floozy, despite never touching her, is convicted of fraud and goes to jail.
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:41am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Mike, I am talking about his daughter. Have you watched the video?
      
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      July 19, 2024 10:12am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mike would not watch the white, right wing extremist Megyn Kelly!
        He would much rather change the subject into attacking Trump.
        
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        July 19, 2024 10:26am
- jkt
  
  Megan Kelly is correct.
  
  We should imprison all dads who bath with their children and also those who expose themselves to their kids. These perverts need to spend prison time with nudists.
  
  I had a neighbour once who took leaks with his son in his garden. He and his kid pissed against my f……. garden wall..
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:30am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Joe Biden accused of pedophilia with daughter Ashley’s diary as alleged evidence
    
    https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/presidential-election/2024/05/13/664244e9e2704e77688b457e.html
    
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    July 19, 2024 10:20am
    - NothingLeft
      
      He’s clearly weird with smelling hair of girls and young women, but it’s likely benign. I doubt he’s a pedo or ephebophile in the normal have-sex-with-minors understanding of the word.
      
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      July 19, 2024 12:14pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Would you let him babysit the kids?
        
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        July 19, 2024 2:00pm
      - jkt
        
        I would not allow him or Donald anywhere near anyone who or anything that needs looking after.
        
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        July 19, 2024 5:27pm
    - jkt
      
      A 38 year old trying to understand her own actions when she was a teenager by writing things down in a diary as therapy recommended by her therapist?
      Evidence of pedophilia. Really!
      
      Gullible, just? Shit stirrer….
      
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      July 19, 2024 2:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What about the lemon tree?
    
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    July 19, 2024 10:27am
    - Ghost
      
      Great for the lemon tree. I remember in high school horticulture class our teacher told us his then 80 year old mother still went out in the night and peed under the lemon tree
      
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      July 19, 2024 1:01pm
      - Paulus
        
        In a recent property we had one huge Avocado Tree which produce some 3,500 top quality per annum.
        Once we were forced to go on sewage mains we saw why this tree was so good, with the weepers from the septic tank feeding it for many tens of years.
        We sold the house soon afterwards sadly.
        
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        July 19, 2024 2:40pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        World’s Fastest Indian.
        
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        July 19, 2024 6:26pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Waste of time, Ghost. Female piss doesn’t cut it for lemons, only male piss.
        
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        July 19, 2024 8:11pm
    - jkt
      
      Steve
      Nope. Precast concrete wall.
      
      He was a mate. Maybe he was preparing the ground to plant citrus. He never did.
      
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      July 19, 2024 2:49pm
Bridgenag

The Keystone Cops and Clusterfuck Investigation
Who’s on First? Welcome to The Great Enshittening!

“The firm that took the suspicious and enormous bet against President Trump’s Truth Social stock ($DJT) ONE DAY before the assassination attempt is Austin Private Wealth LLC, majority held by George Soros’ Vanguard and BlackRock.

Coincidentally, BlackRock, a party that would have greatly profited from President Trump’s death, included the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, in a 2022 promotional video.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/the-keystone-cops-and-clusterfuck?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 19, 2024 8:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Agencies investigating agencies and investigating themselves.
  It is just a matter of time. The coverup is usually what tells the full story.
  FBI? Crooked as they come. Remember Mar a Lago, and the planted documents?
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:20am
- Ghost
  
  This has been going on for a while
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/business/trump-media-short-selling.html
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sorry, not joining
    
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    July 19, 2024 6:28pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie txts….

If this is the state of affairs 200 years post-colonisation,
imagine what it must have been like ‘PRE’

Check out NZH deputy-editor Tom Dillane’s latest content
on what’s going on at OT 🙁

https://nzherald.co.nz/author/tom-dillane/
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July 19, 2024 8:29am
- Blog-aholic
  
  OT is infested with filth.
  
  These sort of people should be no where near children.
  
  If OT are hiring on the basis of culture and ancestry then there is a couple of question applicants aren’t being asked and there seems to be no audit of their facilities or the staff.
  
  Kill OT off and resurrect something that actually protects, enables and educates these children.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Why do you think that OT has been such a sad disgrace over all the years since it changed its name, and therefore its intent.
    
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    July 19, 2024 2:41pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Well they are running a zoo. The clients are feral animals, but no zoo would tolerate this treatment of animals.
  
  Hell MPI would prosecute a farmer who treated livestock like these kids are treated.
  
  But I am sure their Te Ao Maori reports were smack up to date (sic).
  
  OT needs to be razed. A Ministry for child care set up, and a decent independent inspectorate put back into the Children’s Commission – but this time shorn of its bleeding-heart activist role, and staffed with professional psychologists and experienced teachers.
  
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  July 19, 2024 10:12am
kowtow

Biden , talking to “black tv” forgets his Defence Secretary’s name and refers to him as “the black man”.

Will our te media cover that , like the extensive coverage given to the Iran backed Houthi hit on the Greek tanker , creating among other things an ecological disaster……….seeing how our media are all things eco…….
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July 19, 2024 8:32am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Well, he was a KKK acolyte.
  
  I guess to him, all black people look the same? To be fair Lloyd Austin is such a difficult ebonics name to pronounce after all.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:49am
- Mike
  
  I agree, and also think the NZ news media doesn’t direct enough attention to the re-emerging threat of unionist terrorism in Northern Ireland
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:52am
Pope Punctilious II

The UK’s new Mr. Net Zero (Ed Milliband) does a Jacinda and bans any new North Sea oil drilling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoSZ1rKRoBE

So Milliband prefers to support Azerbaijan’s economy rather than Britain’s. This new policy will go down a treat in Scotland, where the oil and gas industry employs so many.
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July 19, 2024 8:35am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Blankets, candles and generators will be selling well.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:09am
- cmm
  
  Stupid people must suffer,
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:22am
- Grunter
  
  The UK will implode over the next 5 years under this Labour Govt. Banning North Sea O&G is a huge mistake that they won’t recover from.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:36am
- Inandout
  
  PP, perhaps those affected oil companies could take a trip down under, now we are begging for exploration.
  
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  July 19, 2024 10:16am
- Master Mariner
  
  You got too laugh,
  COP 29? Will be In Azerbijan next after the failed one in UAE.
  
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  July 19, 2024 11:22am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Not planning on attending in your ship, MM?
    
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    July 19, 2024 8:15pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Might not have that much impact. My understanding is that UK are almost out of oil and gas in the north sea – they are down to about 1/4 of peak.
  
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  July 19, 2024 12:55pm
kiwikidsnz

“Trump isn’t a blip in Republican party history. He’s the correction, the new normal for the GOP — and perhaps America”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-19/trump-blip-republican-national-convention-party-new-normal/104113406
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July 19, 2024 8:38am
Tomtoddy

More rats leaving the rotting Biden ship. Pelosi and that thicko, Schumer are bailing out. Did Obama also pull the chain? Not confirmed but sounds like it.

it is unthinkable that the giggling, empty-headed Kamala will get the call, but most Democratic moves are ‘unthinkable’. Its Mrs Clinton or the Californian sleaze ball most likely. Spare us.
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July 19, 2024 8:43am
- cmm
  
  They shut their eyes too long and left it too late.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:14am
lastmanstanding

In a recent interview Biden said he would consider pulling out of the race if his Doctors advised him to. How convenient he now has Covid and has retreated home to Delaware instead of to the WH. I suspect we will see an annoucement over the weekend. Watch this space.
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July 19, 2024 8:44am
Ultima

Some gambler loss $1m. allegedly, at the pokies, blames the casino. Casino apologises for winning and going to close for 5 days. WTF is wrong with this country?
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July 19, 2024 8:44am
- MCōs
  
  The guy’s addicted to gambling and the casino is supposed to recognize & stop such people going overboard.
  It’s part of what they sign up for to get a license, the same way a bar is not allowed to sell alcohol to someone who’s drunk.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:14am
  - JackRabbit
    
    I was in a Casino overseas a few years ago, and noticed a guy at a pokie I had spent $20 on minutes earlier and his total was sitting at $45,000. I winced.
    
    I spoke to a nearly player that was watching him, and I mentioned the high score, and lamenting my earlier feeble attempt.
    
    He shook his head and replied “He didn’t go from zero to $45,000. He started at $100,000.” Doing compound bets, you can chew through large sums very quickly, and since the machines take notes, it would impossible to police.
    
    Same with card tables. If someone dresses smartly and has $1m in chips, the casino will never know if the guy is a high roller and is spending a weeks income; has mortgaged the family home and hocked every asset; has stolen the $1m from his clients; or is a drug king pin and getting rid of excess cash.
    
    Being drunk is easy to spot. It would be very difficult to tell where the money came from. “Excuse me sir, could I see your bank statements so that we can ensure you have not hocked your wife’s jewellery or spent your kid’s college education.”
    
    Privacy laws prevent them asking such questions.
    
    No different to McDonalds – if an obese woman orders 3 big macs and fries, the guy behind the counter can’t say: “Madam you are obese, I’m only giving a cheese burger.”
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:46am
  - Ultima
    
    Addicted gambler won $1m, apologies to casino and will ban himself for 5 days.
    You won’t hear that sort of stories in the media.
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:54am
    - imalwaysright
      
      If the casino broke the law did they have to give the punter his money back?
      
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      July 19, 2024 11:00am
- kowtow
  
  And te legacy meedia paahti made such a meal of it.
  
  Pathetic and hypocritical.
  
  If they’re that concerned about mental health and associated ‘harmful’ behaviour why do they so openly support all things ‘Green’ and cannabis.
  
  or accept advertising from booze , oil , gambling and “entertainment” enterprises.
  
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  July 19, 2024 10:23am
Maggie Pie

OMG! You won’t believe what Elon has gone and done….

Here’s his take on the ‘Secret-Service’

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1813298540581720215

(55M views overnite – and the ‘replies’ 😀 😀 😀 )
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July 19, 2024 8:57am
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Sooo good.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:01am
Tauhei Notts

Caution.
Boring accounting stuff.
Much publicity has been given to the liquidation of SPQR restaurant in Ponsonby. I think this is the follow on from the Tax Department’s unduly lenient attitude to tax arrears dating back to March 2020. I have seen this with a few clients and it is borne out by comments of other practitioners. People who are heavily in debt with tax arrears are now finding a different attitude from IRD tax collectors. For a few years the IRD did not promptly chase up PAYE and GST arrears. Some recalcitrant businessmen got the impression that payment of those taxes was an optional exercise. The IRD had been so empathetic in their attitude.
Well, the chooks have come home to roost and many people will be in debt servitude to the IRD for a long time to come.
No, I am not suggesting debt remission. Far from it. I am pointing out the consequences of unwise Governmental procedures in the 2020-23 period.
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July 19, 2024 8:59am
- Openmindfulness
  
  Our business of 30 years got into strife when expansion met covid lockdown measures, Auckland flooding and economic uncertainty on behalf of our customerss in Auckland, impacting our costs and a significantly lower than usual turnout for our summer-seasonal business. It all came home to roost in the 2022-2023 financial year and we were virtually wiped out. I contacted the IRD early when I could see I wasn’t going to be able to pay our Feb-Mar GST return, and it went on from there as we were now into our seasonal downtime. We were unable to make the PAYE or GST payments. The IRD were completely laid back about it, how long would I need? I could pay it off over three years. Don’t worry, our $100,000 unpaid debt was but a drip in the bucket of what was owed. We rejigged things and refinanced and went on to make a profit in 2023-24. I fully repaid the IRD in October 2023 (having been making payments according to our agreed installment plan). I believe the IRD is falsely propping up the economy and the situation with businesses is far worse than we know. My case manager at IRD never responded to my updates and there was no word when I fully paid the debt off 2.5 years sooner than expected.
  
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  July 19, 2024 10:12am
JC60

Michael Wood appeared on the Breakfast Show this morning, this time heading up a campaign against a review of the current gun laws. Honestly, this guy has no shame. Deprived of frequent appearances on lloyd Burr’s the AM Show as a union rep, he has clearly been casting around for some other means of keeping himself in the news and on tv. Nothing appears to be off limits when it comes to promoting his own political career, even the tragedy of the mosque killings.
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July 19, 2024 9:01am
- MCōs
  
  Putting to one side your clear loathing of Michael Wood, what were his arguments?
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:25am
  - Biscuit
    
    Agreed, MCōs.
    
    I had no idea current gun laws were even under review.
    
    Mind, I’d treat any submission on anything by something who didn’t seem to know how to sell a share or two with a big grain – a rock, even – of salt.
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:35am
  - sirknz
    
    Didn’t see it but their arguments are usually along the lines of:
    
    “Guns are scary and bad people kill other people with them so we should ban them”
    
    It usually ignores the facts that the bad people with the guns generally aren’t licenced or law abiding, and the ones that are licenced generally have lower rates of crime than the general population.
    
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    July 19, 2024 10:11am
    - MCōs
      
      Summary
      
      You don’t know what he said
      
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      July 19, 2024 12:02pm
- imalwaysright
  
  The Palestinian woman ( she was dressed like one anyway) with him said that Labours gun laws amendments have led to a safer NZ !
  
  Safer than where??!
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:37am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Yes, I well remember the weekly shootings in South Auckland, Queen St and the Viaduct prior to 2017!
    
    It’s so much safer now that the bad guys all handed their guns in.
    
    /s
    
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    July 19, 2024 10:14am
  - MCōs
    
    Fortunately the programme can be viewed online so I had a look for myself. The woman you refer to is Tayyaba Khan, born in Pakistan.
    It seems Michael Wood is against loosening the current restrictions on automatic weapons
    
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    July 19, 2024 12:30pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Thort I recognized her. Tayyaba is the voice for the Mossie community
      all over the world.
      
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      July 19, 2024 12:47pm
    - kowtow
      
      Summary
      
      You don’t know what he said
      
      or if he said there’s a “current” restriction on automatic weapons , neither does he .
      
      They’ve been heavily restricted for a very long time.
      
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      July 19, 2024 1:23pm
Cassandra

A new study shows that Maoris have poorer oral health than others due to “colonialism and racism” (of course). The evidence is that they present to hospital EDs much more often. The researchers didn’t explain that this is actually because Maoris go to the dentist much less often than other races and hospital EDs are free – the only cost is time and if you’re not working you’ve got plenty of time. And remember, you funded this “research”.
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July 19, 2024 9:12am
- Taieri
  
  A new study shows that Maoris have poorer oral health than others due to “colonialism and racism” (of course)
  —————-
  
  Of course it is. In the pre-colonial days their health, oral or otherwise, was far better. False teeth, fillings, crowns and implants were virtually unheard of. Similarly, the obesity was completely unknown.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:46am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Taieri
    
    Obesity was completely unknown because they were toothless .
    That’s why they were dead by thirty.
    
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    July 19, 2024 10:33am
    - Taieri
      
      Do you have to spoil everything?
      
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      July 19, 2024 2:01pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Yes, that article came up in my news feed this morning. The article reports affirmative action in favour of Maaori seeking urgent dental care through hospital ED, but concludes “Further action and accountability are required to reorient our oral health services to provide high-quality, equitable care for Māori.”
    
    I’m not sure what practical measures the author had in mind, but this is the proverbial ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. Modern Western diets are very high in refined carbohydrates, so careful daily brushing and flossing from an early age is vital if you want don’t want to end up with a mouth like Shane McGowan’s. I’m very out of touch with the school system, so maybe other readers can help me with this question: are kids taught the importance of dental hygiene at school, and are they taught how to brush properly, and how to floss their teeth? The reality is not all parents can be relied on to provide good role models or guidance on this (and other) matters.
    
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    July 19, 2024 1:04pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      I missed this “gem” in the article on Te Ao News:
      “This study identifies inequitable presentation of Māori to Christchurch ED with non-traumatic dental presentations (NTDP)”
      
      Is that an obscure way of saying a lot of Māori go to ED when they need a dentist?
      
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      July 19, 2024 1:24pm
- mandk
  
  Of course, this has nothing to do with higher rates of smoking and favouring alcoholic beverages mixed with coca cola, compared to the wider population //
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:50am
  - surfing
    
    Dentist mate a few years back said low socio economic parents bottle feeding coke to their under 5’s.
    
    I still maintain we should be removing children from such parents… it is child abuse.
    
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    July 19, 2024 10:43am
- Ghost
  
  Chances are they do. Look at our society, junk food, sugar. But how about we put it how it should be. New Zealanders have poorer health and teeth due to the excessive amount of crap we eat and drink.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:50am
  - Taieri
    
    Yet, we live much longer than in those glorious days of purely organic, healthy foods…
    
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    July 19, 2024 9:53am
- kowtow
  
  Colonialism and racism has long been notorious for preventing non white parents from buying toothbrushes , toothpaste and getting their children to apply same .
  
  Capt Cook and Queen Victoria ; so much to answer for.
  
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  July 19, 2024 1:26pm
- Paulus
  
  Am I wrong are not all children under 18 getting free dental treatment ?.
  Assuming they turn up to an appointment, not one of Maori strong points though.
  
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  July 19, 2024 2:47pm
Maggie Pie

Happening in the UK right now 🙁

As one commenter put it….

“What can you expect when you’ve got an unarmed Police Force
and a piss-weak Judiciary?”

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1814000363219116530
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July 19, 2024 9:20am
- Taieri
  
  Watching it is a very enriching Cultural Experience…
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:40am
- mandk
  
  Even worse is that you are condemned as racist, just for highlighting this )-:
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:45am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Hell, thats frightening. Not quite Malmo frightening yet, but not far off. Who’d be stupid enough to want to be a Cop over there.
  
  On the other hand, perhaps we should start the ads for Brit Cops again? Might fill our next couple of intakes.
  
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  July 19, 2024 9:53am
- imalwaysright
  
  Local version of a Piñata ?
  
  Maybe it was someone’s birthday…
  
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  July 19, 2024 11:02am
- kevn
  
  Maggie… The Toyota fared well. BY would be thrilled.
  
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  July 19, 2024 11:23am
- NothingLeft
  
  That would be just your average Tuesday in large parts of Paris
  
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  July 19, 2024 12:04pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I heard on Tousi TV that emergency services personnel are fine though because they’ve been told to keep away from the riot zones.
  
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  July 19, 2024 12:08pm
sirknz

Maori don’t go to dentists for check ups because racism and colonialism.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/south-island-maori-face-significant-oral-health-inequities-study-in-nz-medical-journal-reports/GSQMV33RKVB7RIYPMQG4MU53GI/

No comparing to outcomes based on incomes, social factors, diet, or any other demographic factors, just the fact that they are special people.

It does mention that they get seen faster than all other groups at the ED though but still it is clearly a racist and oppressive system…
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July 19, 2024 9:46am
- Damocles11
  
  If you have a pre-determined aim of finding racism before you start then you will surely find it.
  
  A) Have you experienced racism?
  B) Yes.
  A) Excellent. Your verbal testimony will be recorded, no actual proof is required.
  
  Poor Maori oral health outcomes would be due to dietary factors and poor oral hygiene.
  
  When considering racism as a factor in health outcomes, always bear in mind that the life expectancy of white Americans is 76, and the life expectancy of Asian Americans is 84. Is the 8 year difference due to systemic racism against white people in the US health system? Of course it isn’t. Diet, lifestyle, and genetic factors are at play.
  
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  July 19, 2024 10:13am
  - Yvette
    
    Life expectancy at birth was 73.4 years for Māori males in 2017–2019 (up 3.1 years from 2005–2007), and 77.1 years for Māori females (up 2.0 years from 2005–2007). In comparison, non-Māori males are expected to live to 80.9 years, while non-Māori females are expected to live to 84.4 years.
    https://www.stats.govt.nz › news › growth-in-life-expec…
    
    20 Apr 2021 — It was 85.1 years for Asian males, and 87.9 years for Asian females.
    
    Why is Maori data compared to “Pakeha” and not New Zealand Asians?
    
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    July 19, 2024 10:33am
    - Damocles11
      
      Because they want to find ‘racism’. It’s ‘racist’ that Asians live longer than whitey’s, but I won’t kick off about it.
      
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      July 19, 2024 11:32am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Before The Treaty was signed there were about 20,000 Maori in NZ.
      After nearly two centuries of genocide and colonialism there are now only around one million left.
      
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      July 19, 2024 12:04pm
- surfing
  
  But going to the wholesaler is fine? No systemic racism by booze merchants?
  
  Convenient.
  
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  July 19, 2024 10:39am
Damocles11

Seeing this news this morning: ‘Associate Health Minister Casey Costello orders 50% cut to excise tax on heated tobacco products.’

This has inspired to do the ‘Top 5’ ways ACT is superior to NZ First:

1/ ACT wouldn’t go into coalition with the Labour Party.
2/ ACT wouldn’t extort multi-billion dollar ‘regional development’ slush funds from coalition partners.
3/ ACT isn’t on thrall to the big tobacco companies.
4/ ACT is founded on ideas and not a cult of personality surrounding one man.
5/ ACT has a bill to deliver change regarding the ‘principles’ of the Treaty of Waitangi, whereas NZ First has a habit of generating much ‘sound and fury, signifying nothing’.
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July 19, 2024 10:06am
- H. Upmann
  
  Shame about ACT and 3 Strikes though.
  
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  July 19, 2024 11:21am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Also a shame about David Seymour voting for the inclusion of gender identity in the so-called “Conversion Practices” ban.
    
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    July 19, 2024 1:06pm
  - Damocles11
    
    ACT will keep getting blamed for standing by Luxon, but if they were to say they are dissolving the government then could you just imagine the fury from National party stalwarts. Can’t win.
    
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    July 19, 2024 1:35pm
Maggie Pie

This is sooo WILD

The most money ever made from a single post on Instagram… $10 BILLION!!

https://x.com/PopBase/status/1813960535496651222
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July 19, 2024 10:11am
- NothingLeft
  
  If she isn’t deleted Saudi-Khashoggi style, how would she ever get money out of him anyway?
  
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  July 19, 2024 12:01pm
Scooter

So Charles and Camilla aren’t coming to NZ but still going to Oz and Samoa. Maybe they thought if a country can’t make up it’s mind on its name then not worth spending time here.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/520297/king-charles-won-t-visit-nz-on-planned-tour-this-year-british-media-report
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July 19, 2024 10:14am
- MCōs
  
  I don’t think that was the reason
  https://x.com/nettieg3/status/1806453264109736242?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
  
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  July 19, 2024 12:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Got a sore ear?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-supporters-are-wearing-bandages-on-their-ears-at-rnc-in-support-of-ex-president-being-shot/ar-BB1q8l7a?
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July 19, 2024 10:28am
Damocles11

Chaos in Leeds, UK, as crazed rioters go on a rampage, starting fires and confronting police – look at the destruction in the video in article below. Not a single white English person to be seen. Enoch Powell’s prophetic words have been shown to be 100% correct. Sad to say it, England has been destroyed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13648949/Shocking-video-shows-huge-gang-thugs-overturning-police-car-Leeds.html
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July 19, 2024 10:40am
- Master Mariner
  
  Create Order out of Chaos.
  George Orwall will be thrilled.
  
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  July 19, 2024 11:29am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Starmer doesn’t have a clue how to govern Britain.
    He will use racial conflict as a distraction and as an excuse to bring in draconian laws.
    I predicted this on his election but I thought it would be much later in the year.
    
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    July 19, 2024 1:10pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Create a problem.
      Create Chaos ( Fear).
      Came up with a solution that you created.
      Ex Pm and Labour Party Policies to a tee.
      
      In all honesty its a World Wide Western Trend.
      
      Latin, “ordo ab chao” out of chaos, comes order.
      
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      July 19, 2024 2:09pm
    - Paulus
      
      As a former Public Servant for which he was Knighted, he will form a Committee who will form many sub Committees.
      
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      July 19, 2024 2:51pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Should the government be building more houses….
or more prisons?

Asking for a friend.
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July 19, 2024 10:55am
- Keith White
  
  Don’t need prisons. Ex-Army tents on the Central Plateau 24/7. Hard labour, roadside clearance on chain gangs, no TV, the full Cool Hand Luke enforcement. These ferals really have to try hard to get into prison so once sentenced they should not get 3 hots and a cot.
  
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  July 19, 2024 11:12am
- Drone
  
  Maggie, I didn’t know you had a friend waiting for a prison bed..
  
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  July 19, 2024 12:14pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well no. She said she’s looking for a job as a Screw.
    
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    July 19, 2024 1:02pm
    - Jethrod
      
      Is that “as ” or “for”?
      
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      July 19, 2024 2:14pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… labour UK are emptying them out of prisons, like labour NZ did.
  
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  July 19, 2024 1:24pm
Jack5

Christchurch City Council’s in a quandary about building restrictions around Christchurch Airport. Or it should be.

The mayor, Phil Mauger, and some councillors, seem liable to cave into land investors who have been waiting for relaxation of building controls because of noise at the airport, which the city three-quarters owns.

Relaxation of the “noise contours” is apparently backed by councillors in nearby Selwyn and Waimakariri districts.

Councillors, and probably many of councils’ staffs, would likely be long gone if, decades from now, angry householders restricted a busier and noisier airport’s hours.

Noise to nearby housing constrains operation of Wellington Airport.

Christchurch International Airport belongs to the citizens or three-quarters of its does, and the State owns the other quarter. In its 2023 financial year, the airport reported an after-tax profit of $36.8 million, and, for 2022, $59.5 million.

Also at the airport is a sizeable jet-engine reconditioning factory, a joint venture between Pratt and Whitney and Air NZ. This at times generates heavier noise than airline operations well into the night, heard by citizens living well beyond the airport’s no-building zone.

Busy Christchurch Airport in addition to its usual business is a base for American, NZ and other service flights to Antarctica, often using night hours.

Wellington Airport’s noise controls:

– A flight curfew between 1am and 6am (except for exceptional circumstances like medical emergencies)

– Paying for home acoustic mitigation for houses within a close radius of the airport through the Quieter Homes noise mitigation package

-Controlling engine testing and other land-based activities.

– Improving the airport’s layout and equipment to reduce ground noise.

https://www.wellingtonairport.co.nz/noise/air-noise/
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July 19, 2024 11:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  You may know more than me about this. Why would anyone want to build houses near the airport? There is so much land suitable for housing in the Christchurch region.
  
  In Wellington, those houses next to the airport go back several decades. Many of them will predate the airport.
  
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  July 19, 2024 11:38am
  - Jack5
    
    Some thing similar at Lyttelton.
    
    The bureaucrats bring in “noise contours” to the busy port.
    
    Once most of the residents were families of wharfies, fishermen, seamen etc. No problem with industry noise.
    
    When people move in for the seaside view, they want industry noise controlled.
    
    Plenty of nice bays around the big inlet, but they want the port atmosphere, though with suburban limits.
    
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    July 19, 2024 12:27pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Surely if you buy a house next to the airport, the negative effects of the noise are reflected in housing prices.
      
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      July 19, 2024 2:34pm
      - MCōs
        
        I used to own a house in Kilbirnie quite close to Wellington airport. When a plane took off we couldn’t hear the TV.
        However
        The real drawback was the weather because like the airport that whole area is exposed to Cook Strait and the north so apart from the occasional windless day there was no let up.
        
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        July 19, 2024 4:38pm
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s an old old money making scheme:
  1/ buy cheap land in location made undesirable by proximity to a big smelly/noisy/ugly thing
  2/ wage long campaign to have big smelly/noisy/ugly thing shut down or severely curtailed in impact
  3/ profit!!!
  
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  July 19, 2024 1:00pm
mogg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/23/87515225-13648949-image-m-74_1721342536357.jpg

‘Cultural enrichment is ou strength’ from the catechism of the left.
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July 19, 2024 11:30am
kiwikidsnz

British Extinction Rebellion founder jailed for five years

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350348260/british-extinction-rebellion-founder-jailed-five-years
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July 19, 2024 12:24pm
- Keith White
  
  He’s really playing sad trombone now. Did not GAF when he was ruining the days of a coupla hundred thousand people – and in some cases their health, permanently – with his virtue-signalling Birkentock-platformed hemp-sniffing egotism. Hopefully he serves his too-short sentence on Dartmoor wearing only a loin-cloth and living in a twig lean-to in a swamp guarded by a Baskerville-descended hound.
  
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  July 19, 2024 12:55pm
  - kowtow
    
    He’s going to have to play on Bubba’s picollo…..
    
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    July 19, 2024 1:49pm
    - sirknz
      
      Give the makeup of UK prisons, it is more likely to be Abdul’s or Mohammed’s…
      
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      July 19, 2024 4:27pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Excellent. A proper deterrent
  
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  July 19, 2024 12:57pm
Swifty

Fantastic! Excellent news! Needs to happen here more too.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/fanatic-extinction-rebellion-founder-gets-record-jail-sentence/P3GXPQFZCBFG3IESW5SVLQZY4Q/

Protest about anything you like – fill your boots. Feel free to protest till the cows come home.

But don’t trample on the rights of others in doing so, in this case being free to go about their business without major thoroughfares blocked or inaccessible.
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July 19, 2024 12:57pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Cressida Gethin, I am sure will found it to be fun in prison.
  
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  July 19, 2024 1:09pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Why do they all look like her?
    
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    July 19, 2024 1:25pm
Mod88

New Zealanders better wake up and get motivated in a hurry. Te Iwi(s) are going to Own the Coastline of NZ out to the 12 mile limit. They will Control Access through Rahui etc and have Veto power over all Resource Consent/Development options. NZers sleepwalking to self-destruction since forever.
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July 19, 2024 1:09pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Meh, I’m already resigned to having to leave. One of easiest choices in life if you want wealth and prosperity is to not hang around in a place that is clearly sliding economically when you have better options. Simply drawing breath in a place that is growing (ie invest in land etc) can make you rich. Like all the ‘financial geniuses’ who’ve owned houses in Auckland over the last 60 years.
  
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  July 19, 2024 2:18pm
  - Paulus
    
    I am already resigned to leave but in a different manner, as I am 85 with a shorter life expenditure than most, as in a short time I will be with the rose bushes and trees fertilizing whilst you play and sort out the mess, which sadly we let happen around us.
    
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    July 19, 2024 2:56pm
    - Keith White
      
      Yeah Paulus – an underappreciated benefit of running out the clock whether through age, illness, or a combo means (and I speak strictly for myself) is liberating oneself from stuff that used to seem important, but never really was.
      
      I like these:
      
      “When you’re 20 you care what everyone thinks, when you’re 40 you stop caring what everyone thinks, when you’re 60 you realize no one was ever thinking about you in the first place.”
      
      and
      
      “Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.”
      
      I think private ranting rather than public raging is more psyche-beneficial, but that’s just me.
      
      All the best to you Paulus.
      
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      July 19, 2024 5:43pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/saveourshores?utm_campaign=20240719_maca_ask_2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=hobsonspledge
  
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  July 19, 2024 2:58pm
leoj

The NZ economy is a mess. Totally depressed yet councils are pushing for double digit increases in rates.

Councils: Totally out of touch.
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July 19, 2024 1:12pm
- Damocles11
  
  Yes, “in a mess” as you say, but apparently primed for an economic boom as soon as the OCR is cut. All the structural economic problems will be resolved simply through cutting the OCR. “We are in the cusp of something special” .
  Mass immigration + pump the housing ponzi = ‘Rockstar Ecomomy Mark II’.
  
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  July 19, 2024 1:41pm
Damocles11

What a spend-up on critical infrastructure: $4 billion filling in holes. “Loadsa money.”

‘The Government will spend $4 billion over the next three years fixing and preventing potholes on state highways and local roads nationwide.
Auckland will get a $478 million boost in pothole funding; Waikato will get $214m and Canterbury has been allocated $187m in funding.
Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced today $2.07b in funding would go towards state highway potholes and $1.9b for local road potholes.’
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July 19, 2024 1:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This Kimberly Cheatle sheila has a lot of questions to answer.
Why did she run from Senator Chris Wray? Trumps detail spotted the potential shooter 20 minutes before he opened fire. Cheatle would not answer why Trump was allowed to take the stage?
I am not sure but Cheatle may have been at that rally.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/senator-who-confronted-secret-service-director-at-rnc-speaks-out/ss-BB1qesiQ?
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July 19, 2024 1:40pm
- mawm
  
  Chris Wray is the director of the FBI.
  
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  July 19, 2024 4:37pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Who Knew?
    
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    July 19, 2024 6:29pm
kevn

Goodbye…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pharmac-director-dr-anthony-jordan-quits-over-governments-treaty-of-waitangi-directive/X32ZVKPIEFCLFAQUMXZ4VOZ6AI/
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July 19, 2024 2:09pm
- Mike
  
  Perhaps he is weak-minded enough to be persuaded by a blog post:
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/maybe_they_should_have_quit.html
  
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  July 19, 2024 2:23pm
- AitchW
  
  Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
  
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  July 19, 2024 2:29pm
- jonno1
  
  Disappointing and also surprising, as Dr Jordan is an excellent immunologist. The surprising bit is that immunologists generally see the big picture (unlike epidemiologists who can become focussed on a single issue). It’s similar to the distinction between engineers and scientists.
  
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  July 19, 2024 2:38pm
  - Keith White
    
    Not at all disappointing. About time – in fact far too long delayed. He repeatedly ignored the Hippocratic Oath’s requirement to treat all patients equally according to their needs. He is best gone.
    
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    July 19, 2024 5:10pm
softail 1450

What’s the reason that the Gypsies, Muslims,Bulgarians, Romanians and many other diverse immigrant groups have been rioting smashing and burning parts of Leeds to the ground for 24 hours yet its not being reported, it’s breaking out in many other places as well , the thing is for the UK it’s already to F- – – -king late , not so much here, YET.
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July 19, 2024 2:09pm
- Taieri
  
  Gypsies, Muslims,Bulgarians, Romanians
  ———-
  
  How do you know who they are and how do you tell the difference?
  
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  July 19, 2024 3:36pm
  - Keith White
    
    Cher taught me in a song.
    
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    July 19, 2024 5:11pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Whooossh for most here!
      
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      July 20, 2024 9:21am
  - Mike
    
    Feelz? But the riot has been widely reported, so perhaps softail’s rant need not be taken too seriously.
    
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    July 19, 2024 5:21pm
Maggie Pie

Just laying back here watching the RNC Convention on FOX..
Trumpy is due to deliver his address any minit.
From the look on her face I could tell Melania was just like me…. thort that has-been muso ‘Kid Rock’ was a complete asshat. Why they would get him to perform is beyond comprehension.

Anyway, heres 47 on stage now….LATER
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July 19, 2024 2:34pm
NothingLeft

Here’s a scary thought:

Most humans can be hypnotized, and it is well within the functional abilities of recent AI LLM tools to create a hypnosis tool (there was a comment from Scott Adams on this yesterday). Additionally it is not that hard to gradually alter someone’s beliefs by feeding them the right sort of bias and bullshit continually. Google, facebook and Tiktok are all doing this to a greater or lesser degrees with malice aforethought or more lassi faire whatever-tickles-your-fancy engagement tracking via their ‘algorithms’.

But when this is grasped as a means for targeted exploitation of humans (eg convince people to give money to some person or group) or population wide manipulation to achieve large scale political ends of bad actors then we have a huge problem on our hands.

Social media is already deranging people who use it all the time feeding downwards spirals of self destructive behavior and beliefs, particularly peer-acceptance and status-focused women and girls anxious/envious over what everyone else thinks, does or has, and various brands of embittered men feeling marginalized and persecuted. It s a massive and growing mental health epidemic.

I would say malignant actor manipulation is inevitable, and perhaps already happening via tiktok etc. It will only get worse and worse as tech to do it gets more accessible and personalized with AI involvement. Imagine being hypnotized as you sleep by a whispering phone telling you to give all your money to scientology, give your life to Allah, invest in some stock in a pump and dump scheme, vote for the leopards-eating-faces party or other more directly personally destructive exhortations.

We are almost inevitably going to have to shut down access to social media that can be destructively employed to mess with peoples heads in such a manner, and prevent avenues for grooming/ propagandizing/ hypnosis by malignant actors.
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July 19, 2024 3:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some are hypnotised 24/7. Look at the Greens.
  
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  July 20, 2024 9:23am
Ra Henare

Got to love the NZ Heralds subbies lack of general knowledge.
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Elf star and comedian Bob Newhart dies at 94
NZ Herald
19 Jul, 2024 04:51 AM

TV icon and beloved comedian Bob Newhart has died, his publicist announced today, after nearly half a decade on the screen.
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Maybe they don’t know there is such a thing as a Century. Probably 20 something years old and hasn’t experienced more than a decade of adult life
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July 19, 2024 3:33pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350348330/watch-fires-damage-police-cars-violent-riot-erupts-uk

In 1968 I was 20 years old and living in Auckland.
Through work I made friends with a family who had recently arrived in NZ , having left Bradford in West Yorkshire, England.
The father was a New Zealander and his wife was English, as were all their adult kids.
( I have to confess, it was because of one of those adult kids who caught my eye that I came to know the family, as I thought she was gorgeous ).

Anyway: they said the main reason they left the UK was because even then in the late 1960s the muslim influence in Yorkshire was, for them, becoming untenable. Bradford was becoming a muslim-dominated hole.
Harassment, unsociable behaviour towards English girls, no response from councils or authorities: they saw the writing on the wall.

And in 1968 Enoch Powell made his notable speech which seemed to back-up their opinions.
And many years later it appears as though he was something of a prophet, if I may use the term !
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July 19, 2024 4:29pm
- MCōs
  
  I used to work with a chap who came from Preston, which is about 50km to the left of Bradford. He said the place was just awful. Grim & dreary. Nothing to do with Muslims. Just a downright depressing part of the country.
  My mother, who’s from Shropshire, stopped overnight there on the way somewhere else with my father and said much the same thing.
  I think it might have been the mills or the coal mines or both.
  
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  July 19, 2024 5:52pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Is there any place you haven’t lived or anything you haven’t done Cossie?
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    July 19, 2024 6:01pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The Muslims were imported to work in what were the cotton and wool mills in that area in the 50’s.
    
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    July 19, 2024 6:23pm
    - Mike
      
      Seems selfish of them not to go home when the mines and mills closed.
      
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      July 19, 2024 7:54pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Absolutely. Should have been the Pacific Seasonal Work Scheme. Everyone would have been happier.
        
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        July 19, 2024 8:30pm
Maggie Pie

O.M.G. Trumpy spoke for the best part of 1 1/2 hours and never missed a beat.
Talk about inspiring!

And such humility. Made me cry when he kissed the fireman helmet on the dummy
of Corrie Compatore, the guy who took a bullet for him and died at the Pen rally.

The other thing you can’t help but notice, is just how immaculatly dressed and attractive all the Women on the Right are, compared to those who attend Dem rallies.
Talk about ‘Chalk & Cheese’.

Same here of course when you watch QT.
The coalition up against the rag-tag mob of Labour, Greenz and TPM.
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July 19, 2024 4:34pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s a pity you and whoever made that jacket Trump was fawning over got Corey Comperatore‘s name wrong
  https://x.com/conni_lynn/status/1814134994740138348?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
  
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  July 19, 2024 4:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It’s not often you’re right Cossie, but you’re wrong this time 😀
    
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    July 19, 2024 5:03pm
  - than
    
    It was Corey’s own jacket. It would have been the fire dept. that got his name wrong.
    
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    July 19, 2024 5:56pm
  - Ghost
    
    Here is his jacket and helmet outside his station, it’s the same spelling, same jacket
    
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/world/the-man-killed-at-a-trump-rally-died-shielding-his-family-neighbours-share-stories-of-2-others-hurt-1.6966365
    
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    July 19, 2024 6:02pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Cossie likes to argue about everything lately…
      I’d find him very hard to live with 😀
      
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      July 19, 2024 7:19pm
      - Mike
        
        But Catholics can’t live with someone unless they get married, and MCos is already married.
        
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        July 19, 2024 7:48pm
    - MCōs
      
      As I said whoever made the jacket got his name wrong
      
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      July 19, 2024 7:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Must have had 10 teleprompters so the Teleprompters could keep up with the media broadcasts!!
  
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  July 19, 2024 6:32pm
Pope Punctilious II

Driving home I had the dubious pleasure of listening to Susana Lei’ataua interviewing David Seymour about his directive that Pharmac stop considering ToW in their decision-making. Seymour deserves a medal for keeping his cool in the face of some truly inane behaviour by Lei’ataua, who kept repeating the same questions in different words, and parroting slogans about “inequities”. Just another reminder that this government are fools if they bail out public media – they’re not worth it.
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July 19, 2024 5:50pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I heard the interview also and wondered if Ms Lei’ataua has a major comprehension problem.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018947579/pharmac-director-quits-over-no-treaty-factored-into-decisions
  
  (from about 3:55 onwards)
  
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  July 19, 2024 7:51pm
- Mike
  
  Talking at cross purposes, I thought. Lei’atua wanted to repeat the same question; Seymour wouldn’t answer it just repeated his talking points.
  
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  July 19, 2024 7:51pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Seymour answered her question, but it wasn’t the answer that Lei’atua wanted.
    
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    July 19, 2024 8:08pm
    - Mike
      
      Yes, like most political interviews.
      
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      July 19, 2024 8:34pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Seymour gave a detailed explanation – twice.
    
    Lei’ataua seemed to have no concept that people other than Maori (e.g. low-income, rural -living, limited education, etc) could experience poor health.
    
    But , I s’pose its hard for folks with a privileged background to know how the other half live.
    
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    July 19, 2024 8:59pm
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  What’s all this about Shannan Halbert’s boyfriend being involved…?
  
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  July 20, 2024 12:10am
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350349389/live-nz-banks-parliament-retailers-experiencing-systems-outages-amid-global
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  A widespread Microsoft outage is affecting Australia’s supermarkets, banks, telecommunications companies and more.
  
  The technical issue is thought to be related to Microsoft’s cloud services, which have already caused the grounding and cancellation of flights across the United States.
  
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    This is massive. This is the reason I do not want to register my firearms. It is not an if but a when that our Police register is hacked. Computers are not safe, when will people learn that?
    
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    July 19, 2024 8:25pm
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    Appears to be an issue with a CrowdStrike update
    
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  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    An update to the Crowdstrike agent has interacted badly with Windows. Solution is to delete the latest Crowdstrike agent & roll back to the previous version. *
    
    * Disclaimer, not professional advice, consult your IT support provider
    
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    American Airlines and Delta have asked the Federal Aviation Administration for a global ground stop on all flights.
    
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    July 19, 2024 8:40pm
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Instructions here, if you trust Stuff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350349440/global-it-outage-what-caused-crowdstrike-incident
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