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Yvette

The US Consul in New Zealand in 1840 James Clendon had sent two copies of the final English draft to America in March and April 1840. So we know the final English draft was around. But Clendon had it and he made two copies to send to America and do you know what they’re still in America today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRLyFeDGsKM video 5 minutes 41 second in

Where in America today?

If it mentions the vast majority of New Zealanders who are neither Maori or Crown, it could be a little important – and may fill a gap that I have always wondered about: around four fifths of the nation.
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July 18, 2024 8:01am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  But why does it matter what other drafts might or might not have said? The only version that matters legally, is the one that was signed.
  
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  July 18, 2024 8:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Maori Chiefs signed the Maori worded Treaty of Waitangi.
    The copies that Clendon made and sent to America were copies of the English worded Treaty written by James Busby. This was the original English version which was translated into Maori by Henry Williams and his son Edward. This original by Busby was given to Lawyer Henry Littlewood for safekeeping. It was found in a house of Littlewood’s descendants in 1989. It became known as the Littlewood Draft.
    This Littlewood draft was put away in Archives NZ by the Govt of the day and has never been seen since.
    So the two copies sent to America need to be retrieved. The Waitangi Tribunal uses the James Freeman version which is not the same as the Original Maori version.
    Activists have been rorting NZ for 50 years.
    This has all been explained before.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:30am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      You’ve, carefully or inadvertently, not specified which version was signed by the Crown representatives.
      
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      July 18, 2024 4:32pm
      - Mike
        
        The ‘Littlewood Draft’ is a red(neck) herring. This has been explained to Steve before.
        
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        July 18, 2024 7:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Part 10 from last night I have posted today.
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:31am
iMP

ASSASSINATION SEQUENCE

1. Shooter takes his father’s gun from home. Was seen acting suspiciously perhaps an hour before Trump spoke at the metal detectors.

2. 30 mins before he was confronted by local policeman carrying a rangefinder.

3. Seen carrying a ladder and rifle. Purchased a ladder and ammo. the day before.

4. Seen by public climbing, crawling up on to roof with rifle. I think he knew this building.

5. Eventually two local police went to investigate after repeated public observations. Couldn’t get up. One officer climbed on to back of other or was hoisted up to peer over roof edge. Saw shooter who pointed his rifle at him. Dropped back and fell. This may have attracted the counter sniper officers who ranged onto the scene.

6. Shooter panicked and began shooting at Trump from prostrate position, perhaps not ready yet and shaken by being discovered by armed police. Apparently a local officer on ground got some shots off at the shooter.

7. Counter-snipers behind Trump began shooting back while Trump still standing and talking.

8. Mutual exchange of fire, 3 public hit, Trump moves head to his right to discuss screen image, hit in ear. Shooter hit and killed by counter-sniper. Perhaps 5-8 bullets. Bullet photographed speeding past Trumps head.

9. Trump clutches ear and voluntarily drops. Secret Service leap to his aid and cover knocking off his shoes. Notice on Comm.s “Shooter down.”. Some Secret Service who do not look fit or athletic seem disorientated, verbally don’t know what to do, one can’t holster her pistol.

10. News goes out. Shooter’s father calls 9-11 about his son. Why?

11. Protection Services say Shooter acted alone. But still haven’t accessed his phone or social media ( still a day away). How did they know this?

12. During day, Protection posted inside Shooter’s building, not on roof because it was sloping (ie too dangerous for personnel but Counter-snipers (2) are already posted on a more sloping roof behind Trump. ??). No drones provided eyes and ears over whole scene.

13. Protection drawn away for a last minute rushed event for First Lady Jill Biden. Ditto Kamala Harris, despite known Iran threats on Trump. Officers also pulled on to traffic duty. This spread Protection resources very thin. There was no perimeter defence within 140 yards beyond the 2 local police who WENT to check roof. Officers had to ram a fence to get in to the area. Where were the supposed service inside building? What did they do when they heard shots?
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July 18, 2024 8:05am
- kevn
  
  iMP… Another summary. Best I have seen.
  https://arngrimr.substack.com/p/trump-assassination-attempt-separating?
  
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  July 18, 2024 8:12am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Yes and his update good
    
    Trump shooting update: no second shooter in water tower
    Closer look at the evidence
    https://open.substack.com/pub/arngrimr/p/trump-shooting-update-no-second-shooter?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
    
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    July 18, 2024 8:23am
    - jkt
      
      I think one will find range finders in the pockets of a fair percentage of that crowd or any crowd for that matter.
      
      All it takes is a range finder, a cellphone and Google earth to identify a target with reasonable precision to call in a strike.
      
      Now we know that a range finder is a definite no-no for a political rally or a concert for that matter.
      
      It seems so obvious, after the fact!!
      
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      July 18, 2024 12:16pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Nice satire
        
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        July 18, 2024 2:02pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It may pay to mention guy wearing a balaclava was contained yesterday at the conference and was carrying a gun, looks like there is an organised attack plan
      
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      July 18, 2024 12:50pm
      - jkt
        
        Surprised 😳
        Organised attack plan ….. nope, I do not think so. If it was well orchestrated we would be living a different reality right now.
        
        We can expect to see more copycat events emerge.
        
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        July 18, 2024 3:23pm
      - kowtow
        
        Not very “organised” if you draw attention to yourself wearing crim garb …….
        
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        July 18, 2024 4:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is one good photo of Secret Service before DEI and after DEI.
    So true.
    
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    July 18, 2024 9:13am
    - jkt
      
      The DEI thing is a problem of another magnitude.
      
      Vance may well be my type of Republican. A smart, ambitious, opportunist who wants to make a difference to the lives of Americans and ………… of course, protect the American Constitution.
      
      I could see myself voting for him irrespective of some of his “expendable” associates. I am a “nationalist” rather than a “globalist”.
      
      The problem is that the world needs a “rational nationalist” in the Whitehouse and the same applies to the Kremlin. (And of course ….. China and India)
      
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      July 18, 2024 12:27pm
- G152
  
  Hind sight is a wonderful thing.
  And only fit for conspiracy theorists
  
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  July 18, 2024 8:25am
  - kevn
    
    G… An opportuniddy to learn something as well. Following outdoor rallies will be not so slack.
    
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    July 18, 2024 8:50am
    - kowtow
      
      DEI/ESG is deeply entrenched.
      
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      July 18, 2024 9:13am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Trump is doing one on Saturday, I bet security is well and truly beefed up
      
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      July 18, 2024 12:51pm
- softail 1450
  
  iMP, WOW thanks for that , when it’s sequenced like that it’s damn near unbelievable, the Kennedys never stood a chance against the swamp.
  
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  July 18, 2024 8:38am
- JackRabbit
  
  Very good summary iMP.
  
  11. Protection Services say Shooter acted alone. But still haven’t accessed his phone or social media ( still a day away). How did they know this?
  
  They didn’t.
  
  But it is a mechanism for not gathering or even accepting more information or evidence. This has happened on dozens or hundreds of murder / shooting / terrorist attacks both worldwide and in NZ.
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:00am
- Rusty
  
  @iMP – Donald Trump is not safe leading up to the November elections.
  
  Who knows a suicide bomber or a plane crashing into his next rally event?
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:18am
  - Inandout
    
    Rusty, well at Eden Park during the Tour fracas a small plane flown by a man named Marx Jones dropped flour bombs on the rugby players. The Cessna was hired.
    No one,anywhere, is safe.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:08am
    - Jack5
      
      This is from a “Herald” report at the time of Jones’s flour bombing:
      
      Jones’ flyover was inspired by fellow anti-apartheid protester Pat McQuarrie, who stole a light plane from Taupo and threatened to dive it into a stand at the Springboks’ called-off tour match against Waikato at Rugby Park.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/flour-power-protest-drama-in-the-air-and-on-the-pitch/VS7DQ5KGA6DV3FITVM5E7MNFAA/
      
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      July 18, 2024 1:10pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We shall find out in two days time then
    
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    July 18, 2024 12:52pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Dr Jill Biden is the one responsible. She insisted the stupid [Mod – deleted, stop using it] Cheadle was hired as head of the Secret Service. Cheadle was formerly head of secruity for Pepsi. Cheadle hired short overweight women who couldnt holster their guns, were more interested in putting their sunglasses on and ran around like headless chickens
  This is what you get with DEI. Its equals DIE or in this case nearly DIE.
  But Cheadle wont resign or be fired. That would admit Dr Jill was wrong and DEI is load of bullshit.
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:50am
  - Inandout
    
    last, if Trump becomes President I would imagine the whole clown show we witness (a male Admiral in a dress) and other strange humans holding office will be gone.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:12am
    - jkt
      
      In and Out : On Rotation
      
      And filled with new clowns who will be rotated at the whim of Trump, just like last time.
      
      Or do you think that God touching Trump’s ear has changed the man?
      
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      July 18, 2024 12:31pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Just a small point. Cheadle apparently served 20 years in Secret Service before going private.
    
    But also a crazed DEI convert. Wants 40% of SS to be wimmin.
    
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    July 18, 2024 4:53pm
- Grunter
  
  Incompetent USSS? Nah, it is clearly a deliberate Deep State assassination attempt.
  
  They will almost certainly have another crack at Trump. My pick is sometime in Sept or Oct before the election.
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:55am
  - Ghost
    
    If the deep state wanted to carry that out trump would now be dead and buried with shots in the head and throat.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:06am
    - MCōs
      
      If he truly believes he has divine protection I don’t know why he bothers with security at all
      
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      July 18, 2024 10:44am
      - jkt
        
        MCo, spot on
        
        Not even Trump stupid enough to think that God cares about Trump.
        
        He is smart enough to do a Maradona! Hand of God!
        
        Anyone knows Maradona’s IQ?
        
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        July 18, 2024 12:36pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        2 stupid comments one after the other.
        
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        July 18, 2024 1:49pm
    - Sparrow
      
      Totally agree. Plain and simple a Cock Up by authorities
      
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      July 18, 2024 11:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Someone was caught trying to get into the convention with a gun yesterday
    
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    July 18, 2024 12:53pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Keep in mind that early voting will be well underway in October.
    
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    July 18, 2024 4:54pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Here is a major problem with the deep state assassination conspiracy theories (and I’m using that term in its correct and literal meaning), and this goes for the Kennedy (plus MLK plus Malcolm X et al.) assassinations as well.
    Why choose THIS method?
    So, you have a power, evil and determined group in the heart of the government who want Trump gone, eliminated, out of the way. Fine, but they are not stupid. They’ve tried the political scandals, the impeachments and the lawfare but it hasn’t worked, so they decide it must be death.
    OK fine, but why choose THIS METHOD?
    There have got to be hundreds of effective and undetectable poisons, and with access to his medical records they would know exactly how much is needed.
    A little bit of something in his cheeseburgers or coca cola and he keels over of a heart attack or stroke.
    Of all the ways you could kill a man, why choose a method that is extremely complex and difficult?
    BTW this line of reasoning also applies to those bizarre “Putin Novichok” stories we have all heard
    
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    July 18, 2024 5:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Father of Thomas Crooks had many guns, 24 I think I read.
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:33am
- cmm
  
  What I wonder about is why he was walking around with a range finder.
  
  All the distances are very easy to work out on Google Maps in the comfort of your own home.
  
  On top of that, the maximum point blank range of a 223 is about 250 yards (230 metres). Anything less than that and there is no need to compensate for range.
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:39am
  - jkt
    
    My thoughts exactly.
    👍
    I think one will find that a fair percentage of any crowd carry a range finder these days. One can block cellphone signals but a range finder is a different matter.
    
    In hindsight it is stupidity to allow anyone near the site who carry apparatus that can be used to call in a strike on a target.🎯
    
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    July 18, 2024 12:44pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Have you ever seen any of the video games that young people play (often from a very young age) – and the level of weapon related tech gear they involve?
    Perhaps this young man thought he was in the middle of his favourite political war gaming pastime…… not reality.
    
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    July 18, 2024 12:46pm
- Paulus
  
  Understand that sleepy Joe has Corona virus so will not be around for a while (arranged ?)
  
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  July 18, 2024 11:02am
  - MCōs
    
    Joe Biden has covid, which is a type of coronavirus
    
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    July 18, 2024 1:05pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Given the incompetence displayed by the secret service, and near-success, this could well encourage a lot more nutters to have a go in future.
  
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  July 18, 2024 1:00pm
Matt Long

Due to a customer backlash John Deere has just distanced themselves from DEI, except the final clause of their statement negates everything before.
Blackrock only owns 6.2% of John Deere, it’s amazing how corporations have been so completely captured by this ESG, DEI junk.
https://x.com/JohnDeere/status/1813318977650847944
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July 18, 2024 8:10am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Captured more by the major investment companies who have these ESG and DIE pseudo-political ideologies.
  
  Larry Fink head of BlackRock is on fim stateing that BlackRock will “force” these changes……he is every bit a fink by name and a fink by nature.
  
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  July 18, 2024 8:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Somewhat related to John Deere. 😃
  
  This is from MPI’s recruitment website. It explains the agency’s mission and what it values. Increasing the value of the primary industries is a troublesome after thought.
  
  “At the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) we value the unique perspectives, experiences, and innovation of our motivated younger generations – our rangatahi, our future leaders, and change-makers. MPI celebrates an inclusive and diverse workplace where difference is championed. We’re an employer of choice because of it.
  
  We are committed to meeting the challenge of rapidly moving to a low carbon emissions society, restoring health of New Zealand’s water, and reversing the decline in biodiversity, while continuing to feed New Zealand’s people. The breadth of the primary industries offers meaningful and exciting careers, and Manatū Ahu Matua – MPI – is at the heart of the sector. Join us to make a difference.”
  
  https://www.mpi.govt.nz/about-mpi/careers/working-mpi/career-opportunities-at-mpi-for-graduates-interns-and-young-people/#:~:text=You'll%20have%20work%20rotations,succeed%20to%20accelerate%20your%20career.
  
  I know that I am repetitive about this, and I apologise to those who are sick of me 🤡😳. However, to repeat, the Government could kill this stuff this afternoon if it chose to.
  
  MPI should be employing scientists and economists to advise the government on policies to maximise the contribution of the primary sector to GDP growth. The end.
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:38am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Good stuff BY,
    Keep on going till the penny drops.
    
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    July 18, 2024 9:58am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yep, by far the majority of people with influence in this government are fully into woke.
    Look at who Luxon chose to meet in the US; Fink and Newsome.
    Note the final straw for Tesla HQ leaving Kalifornication was Newsome pushing trans in schools.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:31am
    - Notsofast
      
      This just in, Leor Sapir is from the Manhattan think tank and a leading scholar on gender.
      The trans cult tried to steal Erin Friday’s daughter during a lockdown.
      
      https://unherd.com/newsroom/california-passes-deceptive-trans-policy-in-schools/
      
      “On Monday, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed Assembly Bill (AB) 1995 into law. The so-called “Safety Act” is the first in America that prevents schools from adopting any policy that would require teachers and staff to inform parents when their child wants to be referred to and treated as a member of the opposite sex or as “non-binary”.
      
      Etc
      
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      July 18, 2024 12:03pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Tesla has been gone from California for two years, he is moving Space x and the old twitter now x to Texas where Tesla already is, he warned the other two would go if Newsome kept putting up these pathetic policies, he was found to have illegally taken parents rights away of the bender disease
      
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      July 18, 2024 12:58pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Thanks G, just realised my mistake.
        
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        July 18, 2024 3:01pm
  - Groggy
    
    MPI doesn’t directly employ many scientists or economists, it contracts that work to CRI’s and Universities. So that you can get the particular expertise you need for any given issue. A massive chunk of their staff would be considered “front line”; vets at freezing works, Biosecurity officers at ports and airports etc., and teams monitoring and/or controlling the spread of dozens of toxic organisms that are already here (gold Clams, Caulerpa, brown stink bugs various grasses etc) either directly or through contracts with local/regional groups.
    
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    July 18, 2024 12:33pm
  - Groggy
    
    I should clarify that MPI do of course employ a number of scientists and have their own labs, but again that work is operational rather than research. Testing samples for various potential pathogens and pests; Anthrax, F&M, Scrapie, Bovine TB, MBovis – and a plethora of others in plants and animals. They hire in the research capability as required to meet specific demand. i.e they use a market driven model rather than having experts directly on the payroll 24/7.
    
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    July 18, 2024 12:59pm
  - jkt
    
    “Where Difference is Championed”!
    
    How ridiculous. “Stupid-think” 🤔 has invaded our institutions.
    
    Even celebrated 🥳 = “stupid-think”.
    
    If one needs a statement, then…
    Others celebrate and admire our diversity.
    
    It is like the statement …”I am not a racist”.
    
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    July 18, 2024 1:00pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      “Where Difference is Championed”
      
      What does that mean ?
      Difference of what?
      Are all differences to be championed ?
      What if the difference is detrimental ? Still champion it anyway?
      Wankers
      
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      July 18, 2024 2:15pm
- Burtland
  
  DEI is probably the most successful marxist tool promulgated on society – its so prevalent weve become oblivious to it – its been normalised.
  
  TV is loaded with DEI propaganda – advertising, programs, the BBC is really bad.
  
  In organizations DEI begats DEI – organisations competance becomes seriously undermined – management becomes bloated with leftard DEI appointments and anyone competent is buried layers down the structure.
  
  Councils and government are full of it.
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:33am
  - jkt
    
    BurtLand
    Tolerance and generosity are things that should be taught and celebrated if one wants to build a better society.
    But championing DEI is plain stupid.
    
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    July 18, 2024 1:10pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Microsoft has just fired their DEI team as well.
  
  The tide looks to have turned. Expect a rush to the exit if Trump elected. Gonna be a lot of HR parasites out on their arses.
  
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  July 18, 2024 1:02pm
  - jkt
    
    Thank goodness.
    
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    July 18, 2024 3:27pm
Bridgenag

BREAKING: Record-level data from Czech Republic FOIA proves that the Moderna vaccines increased all-cause mortality by over 50% (and the Pfizer vaccines weren’t safe either)
“Safe and effective?” Using this new data, we can finally prove that the COVID vaccines were not safe or effective for anyone of any age. No COVID benefits, and they increased your risk of death.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/breaking-record-level-data-from-czech?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 18, 2024 8:18am
- kevn
  
  Bridge.. We all trust that BY is taking note, although it is a bit late now. Can’t turn the clock back.
  
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  July 18, 2024 8:52am
  - Grunter
    
    And our Coalition Govt is still pushing this junk. Unbelievable!
    
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    July 18, 2024 9:11am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I do take note. The claim is utter rubbish. This is the same guy who claimed that the COVID vaccines killed thousands of New Zealanders.
    
    If this guy is so sure about his analysis for the Czech Republic, he can submit it for peer review by reputable statisticians and submit it for publication. Of course he cannot do so because it would be ripped to pieces.
    
    “Evidence” of vaccine harm has been circulating for at lest 25 years. Of course the Internet has turbo charged the conspiracies. As I have repeatedly said you can’t reason with them. Just like homeopathists, and Maori who believe that the lunar cycles are linked to illness. I find it ironic that commenters here who mock Maori for such beliefs openly swallow vaccine conspiracy theories.
    
    Anyway, I realise I need to let it go. The deluded can wail that the covid vaccines killed millions. The rest of us can be guided by science and reason. BTW I have never had covid and I do not expect to contract it.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:19am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      BTW the Czech Republic had the ninth highest COVID death date of any country. It also had one of the lowest vaccination rates in Europe.
      
      https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
      
      Thousands of people dead because they fell for lies.
      
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      July 18, 2024 11:31am
    - Grunter
      
      Bene – still clinging to your Jan23 cumulated deaths charts to inform your opinion eh?
      
      NZ Excess Deaths last month approx +15% according to Our World in Data
      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=~NZL
      
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      July 18, 2024 11:37am
      - Master Mariner
        
        And look at Eastern Europe, Hungary , Czech, Slovakia , Romania etc.
        Excessive deaths Nope.
        Why?
        
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        July 18, 2024 1:34pm
    - wsk12345
      
      BY – why do you “expect not to get it”? Statistically you should expect that you will get it, regardless of vaccine status. I only know 3 people who have not had it – one has had 7 shots (UK), one had 3 shots and the third had no shots. I guess I know a couple hundred people so statistically you will get it surely? Do you think your boosters protect you, do you think you have a superior immune system, or do you just not go out much?
      
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      July 18, 2024 11:41am
    - Ghost
      
      I haven’t had covid
      
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      July 18, 2024 11:48am
      - Keith White
        
        Coronavirus infection is not consistently symptomatic and the test used is not fit for this purpose – as its Nobel-winning inventor stated long before the WuFlu outbreak.
        
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        July 18, 2024 12:17pm
      - pdm
        
        Ghosst – neither have mrspdm and I.
        
        Our kids reckon we are carriers.
        
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        July 18, 2024 1:04pm
Bridgenag

HOSPITALS MURDERED “UNVAXXED”
HERE ARE FIVE OF THOUSANDS MURDERED FOR NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE GLOBAL MRNA INJECTION EXPERIMENT

https://open.substack.com/pub/growthfactororg/p/hospitals-murdered-unvaxxed?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 18, 2024 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You have two downticks so far. Wonder what sort of sicko would downtick this?
  
  Anyway, America – Land of the Free. Not so free here. That 1 to 25 list is very disturbing. What gives Hospital Staff the right to do this. Threats of employment termination? Need some sort of co-op for the families so they can ‘Lawyer up.’
  
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  July 18, 2024 8:40am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I’m one of the now 8 sickos because it has shown to be rubbish.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Well it looked authentic to me. I apologise.
      If you say it is rubbish Benedict the I will take your word for it.
      
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      July 18, 2024 10:40am
    - Keith White
      
      Well, Benedict, would you care to reveal your ICU-level clinical expertise as well as your critical analyses of the claims made by the bereaved – so the rest of us can be shown it is a rubbish claim.
      
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      July 18, 2024 12:19pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        I never thought BY was a troll until now
        
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        July 18, 2024 1:04pm
    - mawm
      
      Bene – look up some of the testimony given by the public in the Scottish part of the UK Royal Commission into covid management. Witness after witness relates a story of NFR orders being put onto elderly family members’ clinical records without their consent. Many of those patients were put onto the end-of-life pathway. That is murder!
      
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      July 18, 2024 2:38pm
      - jkt
        
        The evidence is in.
        
        We even, probably, know where the thing originated.
        
        Yet, there are still those who will cling on to their beliefs and hold that the version that others believe is wrong! 🤭
        
        Official health advice “Do not come for a covid shot if you have had covid during the last six months.” Are they running low on stocks of the vaccine?
        
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        July 18, 2024 5:32pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Have you been following the Scottish Covid inquiry?
  Real victims and families . Open and transparent.
  NZ phase 1 ?. Behind closed doors.
  Shit show.
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:04am
  - imalwaysright
    
    MM
    
    It is like everything that goes wrong in this country becomes a state secret and is buried.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here we have an invitation only cocktail party where there were 150 invites but 160 attended.
What gives? Who were the 10 uninvited?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/tauranga-city-council-cocktail-party-withholding-of-guest-list-referred-to-ombudsman/ar-BB1qaaPB?
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July 18, 2024 8:24am
- Biscuit
  
  I pleads INNOCENT, Steve…
  
  Burp!
  
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  July 18, 2024 8:35am
- MCōs
  
  Sounds like pretty much every party I went to in my youth
  Thirty invites; thousands attended
  Nowadays same people sit at home with a cup of milo complaining about other people having fun.
  
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  July 18, 2024 8:51am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Thirty invites; thousands attended’
    
    Tui ad.
    
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    July 18, 2024 9:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It was a Council cocktail party, not a teenage pissup.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:43am
    - Don Beckett
      
      The article says the event was privately funded. Paul Adams, owner of Carus Corp. was mentioned – I know Paul, and my son, who does all Paul’s personal local building & alteration work is also very friendly with the whole family and a close mate of Paul’s son. I don’t see anything sinister here, and I would take it as a farewell to the comisionners. (IMO – don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.)
      
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      July 18, 2024 10:56am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I missed that. This is what happens when you skim read it looking for juicy bits on Council wastage.
        Mentioned twice actually. Eight sponsors invoiced $5000 each.
        Pay attention Steve!!
        
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        July 18, 2024 11:19am
      - pdm
        
        DB – wasn’t Paul Adams a top rally driver in his day?
        
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        July 18, 2024 1:07pm
      - Damocles11
        
        If it’s privately funded but gives property developers and construction firms the chance to network and ingratiate themselves with council managers and decisions makes then it most certainly does impact on ratepayers & ratepayers have a right to know all about it. A number of construction companies were seemingly very keen to sponsor the event: why is that? To be blunt: do they have an interest in seeing the $320 million ratepayer funded ‘civic precinct’ go ahead? You bet they do. And while everyone is high-fiving and toasting the ‘city transformation’ ratepayers are eyeing the costs & the construction companies are eyeing their profits. I think the whole thing stinks, it is elitist, and worse.
        
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        July 18, 2024 1:26pm
      - Damocles11
        
        And Scott Adams is head of Carrus Properties and is also on the chairperson of the board of lobby group Urban Task Force. Lots of erstwhile nepotism and a seemingly incestuous nature to the business of doing business with the council, but all good as long as the upstanding property industry figures are doing well out of ratepayers.
        
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        July 18, 2024 5:49pm
- imalwaysright
  
  From the article:
  
  “Communications staff responded, referring to the need to check with the democracy services team…”
  
  This is why we have double digit rates rises.
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:09am
  - kowtow
    
    Iwi consultation ……..
    
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    July 18, 2024 11:26am
    - Damocles11
      
      Unfair to blame Iwi as regards this event and its sponsors. The people behind it are very keen to see ratepayer funded construction taking place in Tauranga, and are currently doing extremely well out of it. And it is this that is really driving the double digit rate rises.
      
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      July 18, 2024 1:40pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Dam,
        Agree.
        The money trough wasn’t enough, there had to be an overt, yet exclusive , confirmation that they are indeed, special people .
        
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        July 18, 2024 2:48pm
      - kowtow
        
        Not specific to this case .
        
        Generally .
        
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        July 18, 2024 3:56pm
      - Damocles11
        
        If Maori are doing it, “very bad”.
        If upstanding business notables are doing it, “very good”.
        I think I get it.
        
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        July 18, 2024 5:51pm
- rjay
  
  I attended that function and I wouldn’t class me as an A Lister by any measure. Basically, anyone who they saw as opinion leaders were invited from what I observed: business representatives, funders, elected councillors, social services, sports people, rotarians etc.
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:58am
  - imalwaysright
    
    rjay
    
    Sometimes it is telling to note who hasn’t been invited.
    
    Were there any people there who have been critical of the Mahuta/Tolley regime?
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:39am
    - rjay
      
      At least one.
      
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      July 18, 2024 10:55am
    - Damocles11
      
      I bet there weren’t many. People who have been making millions out of the ‘city transformation’ wouldn’t want too many critics there.
      
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      July 18, 2024 1:27pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        I think you’re grasping at straws. Sure, they were major local construction & financing people, but IMO were looking forward to a new era. After all, certainly council needs these people to continue the growth of Tauranga, but also these people need the co-operation of council, so mutually beneficial. Much the same as, when I was in residential construction, giving a Christmas shout to that years’ customers & my suppliers etc.
        
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        July 18, 2024 2:06pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Why does Tauranga ‘need to grow’? Property developers and construction firms may have an interest in it growing, but ratepayers don’t. Ratepayers lose out through congested roads and congested services such as the local hospital and GP’s. Ratepayers are facing a $320 million plus bill for a ‘Civic Precinct’ full of white elephant buildings like a ‘civic whare’ and a museum. It’s all bs. Why should I think ratepayers ‘need’ to enrich property developers and construction companies?
        
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        July 18, 2024 5:33pm
- Damocles11
  
  So this was a property industry event, that is clear from the sponsor list. So we have an event celebrating the erstwhile gains the property industry is making at the expense of ratepayers. And one sponsor is clearly a lobby group, described as follows: ‘UTF (Urban Task Force) advocates for planning and investment decisions which create meaningful changes to the current state of Tauranga City. Promotion of growth and collaboration.’
  
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  ‘Eight entities considered “key sponsors” were invoiced $5000 each for their “contribution” to the event, which at one point was proposed to have a Bridgerton or Winter Wonderland theme with a red carpet.
  
  A leaflet obtained by the Bay of Plenty Times, with the same imagery as the event invites, offered “huge thanks to our city supporters”, listing the council, Carrus (property developers), Priority One (regional development agency), L.T McGuiness (construction company), Willis Bond (property developers), Watts & Hughes Construction (construction conpany), Quayside (investment arm of BOP regional council), TwentyTwo (independent property advisors), Panorama Towers (property development), Urban Task Force (construction / property industry lobby group), Tauranga Business Chamber and noted thanks also to Bay Catering.’
  
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  July 18, 2024 1:38pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    I think you will find that most of the large construction buildings currently going up in Tauranga CBD are privately owned & financed. The only one that I am aware is council funded (ratepayers) is the new council building on Devonport Rd. Most of the money that has been pissed away has been on Cameron Rd. modification – footpaths, cycleway, bus lanes – you know the story, and others like it – Maunganui Rd and various park improvement & so on.
    
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    July 18, 2024 4:13pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Really? So property developers don’t need to work hand in glove with council to get their developments built? Turn it up. Ratepayers are stuck with the bill for all the infrastructure required. Who built the brand new council building? Willis Bond, one of the sponsors of the council’s swanky waterfront event. How much did the new building apparently cost? $45 million.
      How much is the new ‘civic precinct’ going to cost ratepayers? Over $320 million.
      
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      July 18, 2024 5:39pm
bjools

McInaulty and Willis on Breakfast.
McInaulty …..5% rent rise in past year
1. Who was the Govt; 1 year ago?
2. What were the previous rises under Labour?
McInaulty starts talking about water costs to councils (many of whom are LABOUR [side issue]), when Willis starts to talk about 3 waters, they stop her, to change the subject.
Biased much?
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July 18, 2024 8:30am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Biased much? Biased entirely!
  
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  July 18, 2024 8:50am
- pdm
  
  Creative spelling of McAnulty bj.
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:09am
  - bjools
    
    True but irrelevant, I will give it more thought when he EARNS such respect.
    
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    July 18, 2024 9:11am
    - Paulus
      
      Look as the ex TAB man in the Wairarapa he has calculated all the odds.
      
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      July 18, 2024 11:06am
- imalwaysright
  
  “Willis starts to talk about 3 waters, they stop her, to change the subject.”
  
  Saw that, she should have told the media shill to shut the fuck up while she was giving her answer.
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not so much bias from Daniel, but the controllers in his ear!
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:45am
- thirteenstars
  
  Yes, biased with an obvious agenda, but the useful idiots that populate National and NZF want to tax successful media companies to provide subsidies and bailouts to the biased media.
  
  Frankly, I’ve got no sympathy for Willis, et al. Shoot yourself in the foot and you deserve to bleed.
  
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  July 18, 2024 12:10pm
Handyman

At 7am this morning, wind was producing 30MW of electricity.
Gas and coal are currently producing 1,326MW of the total 5,772 being generated.
So a quarter of all km driven today by EVs will be gas and coal powered.

Wind has a capacity of 1,249MW so doubling the installed capacity will make good headlines but only add another 30 MW of generation on calm foggy mornings.
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July 18, 2024 8:32am
- Scott
  
  Yes, everyone is saying we’re going to be 100% renewable energy by 2050. Here in NZ we’re going to be 100% renewable. That’s the goal. But how realistic is it?
  
  World wide, we see from the latest reports that fossil fuels, coal, oil and natural gas account for 81% of the world’s energy. Nuclear and hydro account for another 10%. The renewables, that the Greens love, account for only 8% of the world’s energy!
  
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/07/the-daily-chart-world-energy-sources.php
  
  After all that investment still only 8%! Solar and wind just aren’t cutting it. How many more huge wind turbines do we have to build in the Manawatu before they make any difference?
  
  It’s clear that wind and solar aren’t going to do it. Hydro works, nuclear works, geo thermal power works. Let’s invest in proper technologies and actually meet our country’s energy needs going forward.
  
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  July 18, 2024 8:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Just wait until we get a dry period with low hydro lakes and a cold winter.
    
    The only thing that may wake up the government is rolling blackouts. Everyone’s priority is climate change until they need to have a cold shower in the dark.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:26am
    - Clyde
      
      Meridian are already asking Tiwai to cut back consumption. What a shambles when the generators and consumers are separated by Cook Strait! I hope that a lot of consumers start to realise how close we are to black outs – but the morons in the Green Party will have them believe that wind is the answer. Idiots.
      
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      July 18, 2024 10:45am
      - Master Mariner
        
        “I hope that a lot of consumers start to realise how close we are to black outs”
        Clyde, I have come to the conclusion that this is exactly what needs to happen.
        With Mentality like Food comes from the Super Market, Petrol from the Service station and Power from the Socket then it can not happen soon enough.
        
        A Good start would be too Make “Outward Bound Courses” compulsary along with the teachers.
        
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        July 18, 2024 1:46pm
    - kowtow
      
      It’s the idiot voter who must be woken by that cold shower in the dark before the “govt” moves arse.
      
      Meanwhile they must recognise the problem but don’t have the balls to take on the media and other left activists.
      
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      July 18, 2024 1:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The “N” word upsets the Greenies. The writhe on the floor making stupid noises and have anxiety attacks.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:47am
    - imalwaysright
      
      At least they spread their ignorance evenly.
      
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      July 18, 2024 1:20pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Meanwhile the slow molecular decomposition of the turbine blades is putting microplastics into our air and water.
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:03am
  - kowtow
    
    All the while visually polluting.
    
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    July 18, 2024 1:13pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    An interesting article,
    
    https://www.laiier.io/use-cases/wind-turbine-oil-leaks
    
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    July 18, 2024 1:58pm
- Clyde
  
  Travelled past the big storage lakes a couple of times in the last week. They are really low. As is Wanaka and Wakatipu on the Clutha catchment. It is also very cold and very calm – not unusual. Bear this in mind, 85% of NZ’s generating capacity was built before privatisation. A few wind farms isn’t going to cut the mustard and until there is real incentive to build some more hydro and get rid of any of this nonsense of who owns the water, there are going to be some tough energy times ahead. And commonsense tells us that these generators need to be built near where the power is being consumed – at the top of the North Island.
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:26am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Bit of a shortage of decent sized untapped rivers on the scale of the Waikato ….
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:05am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      That is why we must go nuclear after Oz does.
      
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      July 18, 2024 10:09am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Nuclear is a 20th century solution to a 21st century problem. The only country presently building nukes at scale is China.
        
        If the decision to build a nuke was made tomorrow I would guess the first electrons would go to the NZ grid sometime around 2040 give or take a bit.
        
        Not that I am particularly anti, but things are far from simple.
        
        The waste problem is a long way away from being solved. I think one of the Nordics has commissioned some underground disposal but everyone else is still pretty much talking about it. Germany is spending gazillions to remove stuff that they poked into a salt mine – they decided that the salt mine is not as safe as they thought – and are a bit short of ideas about where to put it now. Most of the waste around the world is “temporarily” in cooling ponds next to the plants …. some of it is truly nasty and long-lived stuff.
        
        Whatever.
        
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        July 18, 2024 10:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Aaahhhhhh noooooo, the “N” word again!
        
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        July 18, 2024 10:50am
      - Taieri
        
        and are a bit short of ideas about where to put it now
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        Put it back where it came from. Plenty of room there.
        
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        July 18, 2024 11:32am
      - NothingLeft
        
        With ocean oil drilling tech you can bore a 1m diameter hole in the sea floor 1000’s of km from anywhere in geologically unchanging continental plates, to allow burying of all waste km below the sea floor, with zero flow of ground water around it and with a concrete cap 100’s of m thick. High water pressures above would keep gaseous decay products like krypton, radon or xenon in liquid state forever and it would be impossible to even detect once placed and sealed.
        
        Waste is a non-problem if scientists and engineers are allow to overrule unhinged misanthropic greens.
        
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        July 18, 2024 1:15pm
      - Graeme Hall
        
        Ian: UK plans eight new nuclear reactors. China is not the only country building them.
        
        https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61010605
        
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        July 18, 2024 4:31pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Cool that the UK plans eight new nukes. If you look at the current one being built at Hinkley Point … miles over budget, way behind schedule and will be producing very expensive power when it finally goes live ….
        
        And they want to do seven more of these …
        
        UKP18bn and 2025 now looking like UKP46bn and 2031. Read it and weep …
        
        https://www.ft.com/content/1157591c-d514-4520-aa17-158349203abd
        
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        July 18, 2024 6:40pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      New technology that non invasive taps the flow of the rivers at multiple points, not just a single gravity feed, if helping nations overseas.
      
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      July 18, 2024 10:45am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Novel thought. Got a link?
        
        I asked CoPilot and ChatGPT about it and just got froth and bubble. No specific examples or description of how it actually works. It sounds like “run of the river” stuff ….
        
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        July 18, 2024 10:57am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Ian Boag
        
        Using CoPilot or ChatGPT or AI to do searches is 85% guaranteed to lead you to non answers.
        
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        July 18, 2024 11:30am
      - Ian Boag
        
        So you don’t have a link to point me at? Google didn’t help and the AI lot gave me waffle. Where did your info come from ?
        
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        July 18, 2024 6:41pm
    - Taieri
      
      Bit of a shortage of decent sized untapped rivers
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      True. But there’re two empty penstocks in the Clyde dam alone. That’s potentially at least another 200MW capacity that could be installed without breaking the bank.
      
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      July 18, 2024 11:36am
      - Ian Boag
        
        So do they spill water or what?
        
        If all the water goes through the current penstocks then all the water is being used to generate already …. the extra penstocks would raise the peak capacity but not the overall amount.
        
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        July 18, 2024 12:21pm
      - Clyde
        
        The cost of installing generators to these would be enormous, but the dam operates now on run of the river. What comes down the lake – which is really just a puddle on the river – goes through the 4 generators. Spilling only happens in times of excessive rainfall in the headwaters and at this time of the year during night time all generation stops in order to fill the lake anyhow.
        
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        July 18, 2024 2:58pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Ian,
        Unsure why you got 4 downticks for stating the obvious !
        
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        July 18, 2024 3:00pm
      - jkt
        
        IamSometimesWrong
        
        I think that is why the down-ticks are ticking up for IanB.
        
        I think the argument is that: One can pump the water in the penstock to replenish the dam above the turbines.
        
        Like what was intended for the Otago “battery”.
        
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        July 18, 2024 3:31pm
      - Taieri
        
        Spilling only happens in times of excessive rainfall in the headwaters and at this time of the year during night time all generation stops in order to fill the lake anyhow
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        I realise that. The lake operating level range is only 1 metre if I remember correctly. But the two spare penstocks were put there for a reason.
        The cost of installing two additional turbines and associated infrastructure, while high in itself would be comparatively low when possible benefits (such as an almost instant peak/reserve capacity such as that required to prevent blackouts) were to be taken into account.
        
        The problem as I see it, is the lack of a comprehensive national energy policy in NZ. Everyone does their own disjointed bit; put a wind farm here, put a solar farm there, a little of a “green hydrogen” hype somewhere else and hope for another great lake Onslow-type headline in the daily paper. Not forgetting unrealistic “100% carbon free by 2030” goals and “captain’s calls” of course…
        
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        July 18, 2024 3:45pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Jkt,
        Thanks for the rename!
        I would have it if I could .
        
        Unfortunately the cost of pumping water back up to the dam is more than the value of the electricity produced when it comes back down.
        
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        July 18, 2024 3:53pm
      - jkt
        
        If that is true then it is stupid to do it. Sounds like a plan if you use renewables during times that renewables have to be shed to protect the grid.
        
        They do it in South Africa, and it used to be economic ……. but these days nothing works well in South Africa. They even have to go overseas and use overseas based players to win the World Cup.
        
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        July 18, 2024 5:39pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        jkt and pump back.
        
        So we run two of the existing turbines to make electricity that drives the two new ones as pumps to put the water back. Less water pumped than was used to generate the pumping power.
        
        Wot? Would be easier to just not run the two existing turbines in the first place ….
        
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        July 18, 2024 6:52pm
  - peterwn
    
    The last proposed scheme was Project Aqua on the Waitaki River. However Meridian gave that away when it was realised that consenting and related issues appeared insurmountable. Any further significant hydro development would be almost impossible given the current framework. Special legislation would be required and the Government would need to weigh up the likely impact on votes.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:23am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Consent hearings dragged on for years. The documentation involved could have filled a mini-skip.
      
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      July 18, 2024 10:50am
    - Skippytony
      
      Agree, zero chance of getting any new dams consented, let alone built.
      
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      July 18, 2024 1:06pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Contact did the same thing at Beaumont, had s as lil the properties, and after 10 years waiting for RMA pulled the pin and sold the land, this is why the government are trying to fast track rma for things like this, who cares if power companies build wind farms and solar if they pay for it, make it easier for them to spend their money, and not get tax dollars paying for these things like Labour wants
      
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      July 18, 2024 1:06pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Windfarms & & solar farms are a blight on the environment and highly uneconomic. I see the time coming where a bulldozer will be put through the lot of them.
        
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        July 18, 2024 2:11pm
    - pdm
      
      pw – why not fast track?
      
      Meridian should be talking to Shane Jones, Chris Bishop and David Seymour plus Simon Court.
      
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      July 18, 2024 1:18pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Some idiots overseas are demanding that to solve the climate crisis that all countries must go full electric, and now, getting rid of all fossil fuel use. These drop kicks don’t have a clue about energy.
    
    In many countries that would mean an increase in electricity generation of between 3000% and 10000%. And that does not take into account the required infrastructure.
    
    Even in NZ, with hydro and geothermal if we would need to increase electricity generation by close to 8 times, and given the delay in doing so, by the time the generation and infrastructure is in place that demand will have doubled.
    
    Wind and solar are but token contributors.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The sun is trying to shine on the Shore.
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:28am
  - Paulus
    
    Beautiful clear day again in the BOP !!
    
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    July 18, 2024 11:09am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  “doubling the installed capacity will make good headlines but only add another 30 MW”
  And that’s assuming the new locations have as much quality wind available as the existing factory locations, which no doubt have been chosen with the quality of the wind in mind.
  
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  July 18, 2024 2:39pm
Maggie Pie

MONEY BUYS EVERY THING and EVERY ONE 😎

Probably the most important vid you’ll watch today!

Truly eye-opening….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVvfAOqau8E
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July 18, 2024 8:35am
- Matt Long
  
  “Incidences of antisemitism in Universities funded by Qatar are three times universities without Wahhabi funding. ” Nothing to see here, move along.
  Interesting video here on how the Clintons leveraged a modest fortune of 1.3 million up to a staggering 241.5 million over 5 years in the Whitehouse, considerably eclipsing the Obamas, who went from 1.3 to 70 million during his time in office.
  None of this would have bought any influence.
  https://youtube.com/shorts/R3F_CAGibJg?si=JYPds5Qaob87CrRZ
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:17am
Damocles11

I received an e-mail from the Taxpayers Union. They uncover wasteful government spending and council craziness all the time, which is cool but I do wish the National Party could locate some of this information as well:

‘The short point is our councils are out of control. We’ve uncovered that the average for city and district councils is an eye-watering 14 percent hike this year – and that’s on top of the 15 percent rate hikes at regional councils.
Central government cost-cutting is only half the battle. Town halls need to catch up with economic reality and trim back office fat, can pet projects, and focus on core services.
And before you hear the squeals from Local Government New Zealand about ‘needing’ more money for infrastructure, when we’ve looked at growth in local government in previous years, we’ve found that at nearly every council, the proportion of spending going to capital items (roads, pipes, pumps, etc.) has actually been reducing compared to the proportion going to operating expenses (i.e. staff payroll and back-office bureaucracy).’
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July 18, 2024 8:36am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The TPU have lost their shit, they are whinging and point fingers in all directions, hard to understand where or what they stand for
  
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  July 18, 2024 1:08pm
  - Damocles11
    
    What’s the problem? Do you think this stuff should be buried rather than discussed? What is your interest in not discussing the terrible state of affairs occurring at the councils ? My concern is for ratepayers and taxpayers, not about burying stuff because it doesn’t look good. I elected a government to ‘sort it out’, not to pretend to.
    
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    July 18, 2024 2:12pm
- MCōs
  
  We’re they the people that sent so many information requests to the Hamilton council the ratepayers had to finance extra staff to supply the answers?
  
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  July 18, 2024 1:19pm
kowtow

Interesting item in Herald today where CEO of Meridian Energy questions Consumer NZ claim of 40 000 electricity disconnections , a figure repeated in NZ media.

He states the Electricity Authority states 6932 residential disconnections in the year under report.

Gosh , who to believe . And then the media ( who relentlessly peddle mis/disinformation narratives) wonder why the trust is gone and demand taxpayer protection.
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July 18, 2024 9:02am
- Damocles11
  
  I saw a physical copy of the marxist Herald and the ongoing attacks on power companies are published under the heading ‘Power To The People’.
  How interesting.
  “Socialists cry “Power to the people”, and raise the clenched fist as they say it. We all know what they really mean – power over people, power to the State.”
  – Margaret Thatcher
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:06am
- peterwn
  
  The main four ‘gentailers’ are the big whipping boys of discontent and frustration with power prices and non-payment issues. They of course are NOT Mother Teresa. Power retailers have probably gone as far as they can with policies for those not paying their bills for whatever reason (and this means there is an element of subsidy by those who pay on time since on-time discounts have been banned). The power companies even cop complaints about ‘power poverty’ etc when customers are on prepayment systems like GloBug. Difficulties with stumping up money to feed the meter is NOT a power company problem, it is a welfare problem.
  Another issue – subsidised power is all very well, but is not ‘green’ as there is less incentive for economy so more coal is potentially burnt. The whole thing is a welfare issue, not a power company issue.
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:32am
- artemisia
  
  Yes, concerted effort in the media about cold houses and cold occupants. Couple of days ago the cold house occupants were a beneficiary and two grandchildren. Teeth chattering from the cold, could not afford to run the heat pump supplied by Kainga Ora despite the cheap rent and assuming benefit includes the two children.
  
  The article in the Herald does seem to have missed relevant information.
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:51am
  - peterwn
    
    That would spoil the story.
    
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    July 18, 2024 11:20am
  - Damocles11
    
    Journalists as left wing ‘social justice’ activists.
    
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    July 18, 2024 1:41pm
Maggie Pie

ACCOMODATION WANTED AD

This may suit someone residing in THE HUTT
who has a spare-room and would like a flatmate…..

https://x.com/2ETEKA/status/1812996939459535226

From the Hutt River to the sea. You can thank me later 😀
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July 18, 2024 9:04am
- imalwaysright
  
  My basement is available. Essentially free of charge…
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:12am
  - kowtow
    
    Given his infatuation with Palestine perhaps a tunnel would be more suitable.
    
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    July 18, 2024 9:56am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Ill supply a spoon.
      
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      July 18, 2024 11:03am
- pdm
  
  Doesn’t he work for Chippy?
  
  Surely he could doss down there!!!
  
  Or has Toni vetoed him?
  
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  July 18, 2024 9:13am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Has Hipkins recognised her as a ‘woman’?
    
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    July 18, 2024 9:38am
    - pdm
      
      b-a and therin may lie the problem.
      
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      July 18, 2024 1:22pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    It would be like Star Wars.
    
    JarJar, Yoda, and Princess Whatsaname.
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:19am
Fender

Another synopsis of trump shooting from someone with the qualifications to do so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9boJpqiZTQ
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July 18, 2024 9:04am
Nukuleka

I heard Greg Foran, CEO of Air NZ, talking recently about improving the company’s record on flight cancelations and delays. One can only generalise from one’s own experience but since hearing this interview I have had two Air NZ bookings, one domestic flight delayed by over an hour and this morning an international flight canceled. Am not impressed, Mr Foran.
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July 18, 2024 9:44am
- imalwaysright
  
  Foran should get a job as an undertaker.
  At least everyone will already
  be late.
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:21am
- cmm
  
  WHo cares?
  
  What’s really important is how their DEI programme is going.
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:35am
- Paulus
  
  Make AirNZ change the weather, normal at this time of the year, please.
  
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  July 18, 2024 11:11am
Master Mariner

https://www.ft.com/video/1eeebd90-25d4-4421-a175-deedcdbf9c18
Who killed the ESG Party.
Better tell NZ policy makers as it has permenated throughout NZ.
The Game is over and NZ’ers need to know it.
What an absolute shit show.
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July 18, 2024 9:51am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Actually, I’m not sure that story says what you think it does. I was reading the transcript of the video, and at the end it says this…
  “For anybody to think or say that ESG is dead, that ESG is not going anywhere, that it was just a label, that it’s just a political philosophy, I’m sorry to say, they’re all wrong.
  
  We think ESG is about as political as gravity. It’s not political. It’s about thinking long term. And it’s about thinking about your returns.
  
  This is the death knell for fossil fuels. And people holding oil and gas thinking that this is a long-term growth opportunity, they’re going to get caught short.
  
  The majority of Gen Z and millennials don’t believe in capitalism. Leaders of that system stand up on a stage and they say: we know these are big problems. Climate change is critical. We have to solve them. And they talk about ESG and stakeholder capitalism. And every single year those young kids who, again, they didn’t learn climate change is real because they watched a documentary years after they left school.
  
  They learned it like we learn Newton and gravity. So they know it’s real. They see the leaders of the system say, it’s really important. We’re going to do something about this. And every single year profits keep going up and the scientists tell us that we’re getting further and further behind. There’s a significant concern I have that we’ll see political instability as people try to overthrow the economic system long before we actually get to 2050 and see if net zero actually plays out.
  
  There is money to be made from the green transition. It makes perfect sense to put my pension money and yours into green technologies that are going to be used all over the world and that are essential if we’re going to get ourselves out of this climate hole.”
  
  Scary talk. Fairly insane, as well.
  
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  July 18, 2024 3:12pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Good reply Chris, But we will have to agree to disagree on some your points. Not all but some.
    
    Thought provoking video about the ESG “Trend” all the same.
    
    Regardless, It is always about the Money, And we will pretend to change the climate ( Which is not explained very well//).
    
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    July 18, 2024 4:47pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Oh, that was all taken from the transcript.
      The last bit (scary and insane) was my contribution.
      
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      July 18, 2024 5:48pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yep, Right at the end.
        Fascinating, I remember and posted about HSBC Head posted about ESG and got the sack ( In the Film).
        My take is ( Limited) that you create something like ESG which is Oblique and unmeasurable, Make it mandatory, Cancel any opposition, Sew confusion into Boards then make a lot of money ( Wealth Transfer and market control ) and then come out and say it does not work after selling up.
        That is my take of Blackrock and its CEO.
        
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        July 18, 2024 6:08pm
Inandout

‘Electric Kiwi is shutting its doors to new customers, blaming soaring wholesale energy prices.

The power retailer says prices have increased by nearly 50% in the past six months, and it has now reached a point where every new customer would lose it money.

It says the big four gentailers —Mercury, Contact, Meridian and Genesis— all made over $2 billion in record profits last year.

Electric Kiwi CEO Luke Blincoe told Mike Hosking the Electricity Authority and Commerce Commission have allowed market failure to happen under its watch.

He says we rely on the market to deliver an essential service efficiently and that’s not happening with the current distortions’.

And we wonder why so many power customers just can’t afford to pay their bill. Simeon Brown must take some action, sooner or later.
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July 18, 2024 10:23am
- peterwn
  
  If someone sets up a power retailer relying on ‘fairweather’ wholesale prices they must be prepared to take the rough with the smooth. For example Contact is in a ‘short’ position (ie more customer demand than its capacity). If Contact starts whining that market wholesale prices are too high, Contact would just be laughed at. Contact knows that it just has to take the high prices on the nose and could make a commercial decision not to accept new customers (or ease up efforts to attract new customers). If that is the situation Contact faces and has to deal with, the same must apply to any other retailer, they have no right to expect to buy power on the market at a capped price.
  There is a big difference between the gentailers and pure retailers. The gentailers know they have to invest in new generation to meet the needs of their customers. The pure retailers just expect the power to be there, they have no interest in investing in generation either directly or indirectly via long term contracts.
  Even major customers take care of their whole energy supply chain. For example Infratil (NZX:IFT) has become a major developer of data centres which have an enormous appetite for electricity. Infratil also owns 51% of Manawa Energy (ex Trustpower) which has the fifth largest fleet of power stations in NZ. Manawa has sold off its retail customers to Mercury but with a diminishing tail of transitional supply contracts with Mercury so it has spare capacity to sell going into the future. It is a complete no brainer that Infratil is going to manage its electricity supply chain from generation through to its data centres and ensure Manawa will add to its generation fleet accordingly.
  By contrast it seems Rod Drury (ex XERO) wants to get into the data centre business but is concerned about sourcing electricity. It seems he would like to purchase on the market when prices are reasonable (perhaps 90% of the time) but at a capped price the rest of he time (similar to Electric Kiwi etc). He cannot negotiate this so wants the regulators to force the gentailers to provide capped prices when things turn tough.
  
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  July 18, 2024 11:57am
  - Inandout
    
    peter, Contact have another 2.5% price hike in the offing. I can remember when the government of the day usually increased power prices around Budget Day. Dams were built as needed and if more power was needed we had coal, gas or oil. Then the Greens arrived in numbers.
    
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    July 18, 2024 12:43pm
    - peterwn
      
      And that is based on Contact’s estimated cost of new generation. If another company can build generation then that becomes a price setter.
      
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      July 18, 2024 1:47pm
    - wsk12345
      
      Yep and the wholesale price we were charged at the time was $30/MWh. Against a levelled lifetime cost of $150-210/MWh. That is what the cost of the hydro stations was 50+ years ago.
      (For context, the current long run wholesale price for wind, gas etc has not reached this >50 years later!)
      
      I can’t provide a source as I read this in a paper report in the old ECNZ library when I used it for research in the 80s!!!
      
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      July 18, 2024 3:20pm
  - mogg
    
    Infratil have electricity supply contracts in place plus emergency backup before building their CDC centres. AGM in August at the museum.
    
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    July 18, 2024 2:10pm
    - peterwn
      
      And Infratil raised $1B for data centres etc at the blink of an eyelid. They then had a retail offer for mom and pop shareholders which was oversubscribed!
      
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      July 18, 2024 2:56pm
      - mogg
        
        The new shares cost existing shareholders $10.15c, last week, today they are listed at$10.82c
        
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        July 18, 2024 3:57pm
- wsk12345
  
  So what is the ROI for each of the big 4? I asked ChatGPT who said it wasn’t a relevant measure for power xonpanies and then apologised profusely but still gave no answer when I pushed back.
  
  I doubt they are excessive. Lines companies are lower risk and they are allowed (as regulated businesses) about 8% last time i looked.
  
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  July 18, 2024 3:14pm
Maggie Pie

Imagine the discussions going on behind the scenes right now between Chloe
and the Member-for-Tijuana, about what to do with Darlene.

And to think these Arsehats get to vote on how the country is run!

All at the expense of the taxpayer of course. What a sick joke it is.
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July 18, 2024 10:36am
- imalwaysright
  
  Chloe will have superglued her hand to the talking stick and locked the door.
  
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  July 18, 2024 10:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She is trying to pass Hipkins as preferred pm you know
    
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    July 18, 2024 1:12pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      If she ever becomes preferred PM we are truly f*cked. It must mean that all sane people have left the country.
      
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      July 18, 2024 3:16pm
- Sparrow
  
  It will make no difference to taxpayers monies. It either goes to Darlene to sit on her arse for the next 2 years, or we pay for another Greens weirdo. Heads taxpayers lose, tails taxpayers lose. Its a gravy train for all and sundry. It makes me laugh when reports say that NZ is one of the least corrupt countries in the world. I see the ex chairman or was it the CEO of the NZ Symphony orchestra was ripping it off. Its everywhere its called entitlement.
  
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  July 18, 2024 12:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

MAGA.
Donald Trump’s eldest Grandchild will speak at the RNC on Wednesday – that is today here. I have never heard of her. Junior’s Daughter.
Kai Trump (17) Should be interesting.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/who-is-kai-trump-the-next-generation-of-maga-and-daughter-of-don-jr-who-s-addressing-the-rnc/ar-BB1qaIjM?
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July 18, 2024 10:57am
- NothingLeft
  
  Ugh. Dynastic politics is awful. Should be a ban on relatives of presidents senators and congressmen being in politics using same last name.
  
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  July 18, 2024 5:09pm
TripeWryter

Thomas Crooks might have been a ‘comically bad shot’ as a schoolboy rifle team reject.
But it appears he was bang on target the instant he squeezed his trigger the other day.
Unfortunately for him his target moved his head at the same instant.
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July 18, 2024 11:37am
- cmm
  
  There is a huge difference between the accuracy levels needed target shooting and for shooting a person on a deer. Competitive target shooting requires far more accuracy and a target shooting “reject” is still capable of shooting people/animals.
  
  Still, many experienced hunters manage to miss a deer-sized animal completely at this range.
  
  Shooting paper targets is entirely different to live targets at least in part to “buck fever”.
  
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  July 18, 2024 11:57am
  - TripeWryter
    
    CMM: you might be right. I was impressed that he was so accurate over 134 (or so) yards with a 5.56mm round. That’s good.
    I have shot at military targets – the one with the figure of the helmeted soldier – with the FN SLR over 100 and 200 yards.
    The gunnery instructor with us told us the heavier 7.62mm round (as opposed to the 5.56mm) was better over longer ranges because ‘it held up better’. Apparently something to do with velocity.
    
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    July 18, 2024 12:16pm
    - cmm
      
      “The gunnery instructor with us told us the heavier 7.62mm round (as opposed to the 5.56mm) was better over longer ranges because ‘it held up better’.”
      
      The 7.62 rounds typically have a better ballistic coefficient (BC) than 223 rounds meaning they are don’t lose their energy as quickly. A 7.62 also starts off with much more energy (being a much bigger bullet). That is why a 7×62 “holds up better”.
      
      But all that stuff only matters beyond 300metres or so.
      
      At 100-200yards meh. If you’re hit in the middle of the head with a 223 or a 308 any difference is pretty academic.
      
      It would be easier to be accurate with a 223 at those distances because there is less recoil and flatter shooting.
      
      The .223 (aka 5.56×45) is much faster than the .308 (aka 7.62×51) so it is flatter shooting at shorter ranges. That would make the .223 a superior weapon for these close in shots.
      
      So how accurate was he any way? You can’t really judge accuracy off just one shot. Maybe he was just lucky.
      
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      July 18, 2024 3:06pm
    - Ipanema69
      
      Tripe, the M4 and it’s predecessor the M16 fire the 5.56mm cartridge. The current doctrine for most militaries is to zero M4’s at 300m range. Thus in the hands of a capable shooter it should be good over at least that range.
      
      During WW2 the standard rifle, light machine gun & medium machine gun cartridge was around 0.30inches in all the major militaries (30cal). Post WW2 the advent of mainframe computers enabled the tabulation and analysis of all small unit firefights. These studies revealed two facts:
      
      1) The average first engagement range was around 400m.
      2) The winning side was usually the one that fired the most rounds the fastest.
      
      The standard US infantry rifle during and post WW2 was the clip feed semi-automatic M1 (.306). The M14 was an evolution of the M1 capable of fully automatic fire. The issue was it was practical impossible to control on full auto due to the shear power of the 0.306 rounds.
      
      This eventually led to the development of the M16 by Eugene Stoner (the M16 was based on his original civilian AR-15). The M16 utilizes the 5.56mm (0.223) cartridge and is a lot easier to control on full auto (although the 2nd generation of M16 were fitted with burst limiters).
      
      The US military was actually very slow to adopt the M16. There was a huge institutional attachment to the 7.6mm (0.30) round. The first contract for M16’s I believe was from the US Air Force. This I believe was Gen Curtis Le May’s decision as he considered the M16 to be the superior weapon for airfield defence.
      
      The 5.56mm round has a number of desirable military assets these being:
      
      A) The cartridges weighs less so your typical grunt can carry more ammo.
      B) The 5.56mm will disable a higher percentage of targets as opposed to causing outright death. From a military perspective wounding the enemy ties up more resources than outright deaths.
      
      Lot of text I realize but I don’t think that the range in this case was impossible for a 5.56mm.
      
      Your point about the 7.6mm cartridge is correct but I would contend that that probably applies at ranges over 400mm.
      
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      July 18, 2024 3:10pm
      - kowtow
        
        “A lot of text” matters not when the post is so interesting.
        
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        July 18, 2024 5:23pm
      - TripeWryter
        
        Ipanema69 (and cmm):
        Thanks for the enlightening replies.
        I remember reading in the 1970s about some anguish in Sweden about the ‘morality’ of following NATO and adopting the 5.56mm round rather than keeping the 7.62mm.
        It was the former’s capacity to cause wounds rather than guarantee death that caused the hand-wringing.
        Anyway, thanks …
        
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        July 18, 2024 8:07pm
  - kowtow
    
    Does anyone know if he had a bi pod.
    
    Makes a bigly difference.
    
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    July 18, 2024 1:23pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      No he didn’t.
      
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      July 18, 2024 2:22pm
      - kowtow
        
        ty
        
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        July 18, 2024 3:52pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep, Pretty Piss poor shooting.
    
    3 Shots ?
    
    Like you said , Totally different shooting Targets and Animals/people etc.
    
    Luckily not experienced for the Task.
    
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    July 18, 2024 2:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Exit strategy?
Self Isolate in Delaware?

https://feedsnorth.com/biden-diagnosed-with-covid-19-a-look-at-the-timing-and-implications/
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July 18, 2024 11:44am
fightingtemeraire

Another Kiwirail Director has resigned.

Labour Appointee Maryan Street.
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July 18, 2024 11:45am
- pdm
  
  Good.
  
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  July 18, 2024 1:25pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Gee, Another gone with a Wealth of Nautical experience //
  
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  July 18, 2024 2:20pm
cmm

I’ll place my standard bet of 50 cents and a servo pie that Biden’s “Covid”, is his first step in standing down.

I think he will be out before the end of this month – most likely before Monday.
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July 18, 2024 11:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wonder where Hillary is?
  
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  July 18, 2024 1:10pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Putting Trump in the cross hairs
    
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    July 18, 2024 1:14pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Perhaps administering Covid ‘shots’.
    
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    July 18, 2024 1:23pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They have to name their candidate by their conference in two weeks time
  
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  July 18, 2024 1:14pm
- JohnRidd
  
  I don’t think he will stand down. The Democratic nomination is a poison pill. Nobody wants to be the candidate since the assassination attempt.
  
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  July 18, 2024 2:13pm
Maggie Pie

—————————————————
*CHANCE CARD* (UK)
Make general repairs on ALL your property.
For each house pay 250k pounds
For each hotel pay 950k pounds
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https://x.com/MichelleDewbs/status/1813213709289889814
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July 18, 2024 12:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Nice camping grounds, centrally located.
  Close to public transport.
  
  (not sure where the nearest ablutions block is)
  
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  July 18, 2024 12:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    But makes you wonder why they keep voting for Sadiq Khan?
    Altho the hole of the UK is a lost cause.
    Import the thurd world – become the 3rd world.
    Can hardly wait for the OGs to start next week. Paris is even worser 🙁
    Be intersting viewing… and not just for the tennis.
    
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    July 18, 2024 1:17pm
    - Inandout
      
      Maggie, Vance uttered this about the UK, and he is not far off.
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fury-over-trump-s-vice-president-running-mate-jd-vance-claiming-uk-is-an-islamist-country/ar-BB1q3UYA
      
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      July 18, 2024 2:07pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        JD is dead right of course!
        And I see where both the UK’s Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins
        are in total agreement with him as well.
        
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        July 18, 2024 3:01pm
    - cmm
      
      Somehow I always see Squalid Khan, but that’s dyslexia for ya.
      
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      July 18, 2024 3:08pm
  - Jethrod
    
    I’m sure friendly neighbors over the road would oblige!
    
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    July 18, 2024 1:58pm
lifesgood

Does anyone seriously believe Biden has covid? What do they take us for?
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July 18, 2024 12:39pm
- imalwaysright
  
  I feel sorry for the virus.
  
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  July 18, 2024 1:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It must like him….3rd time he’s caught covid in the last 2 years
    
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4778593-biden-covid-third-case/
    
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    July 18, 2024 7:15pm
- cmm
  
  Dude is going to “die peacefully in his sleep”.
  
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  July 18, 2024 3:09pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    See where the Obama’s have invited him over to go paddle-boarding
    at Martha’s Vineyard.
    
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    July 18, 2024 3:22pm
    - Jethrod
      
      Oh…oh!
      
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      July 18, 2024 4:47pm
- Keith White
  
  He can’t possibly have it! He’s had 2 shots and 6 boosters of the Safe and Effective vaccine!!!
  
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  July 18, 2024 4:23pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    That’s probably what’s giving him dementia. 😆
    
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    July 18, 2024 10:09pm
Bridgenag

Lets face it In spite of the truth hitting people in the face they still deny
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July 18, 2024 1:12pm
thirteenstars

Elon Musk decides to move the headquarters of both SpaceX and X (Twitter) out of California after that state passes law to prevent schools notifying parents if their child decides to identify as transgender:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9QfU26Ac2g

Someone remind me, don’t NZ schools hide this info from parents as well?
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July 18, 2024 1:20pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Yes, NZ schools see themselves as co-parents.
  They are quite capable of arranging an abortion for a student without the parents knowledge or consent.
  If only they were as capable at teaching.
  
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  July 18, 2024 1:44pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Legally teachers are the “loco parentis” when kids are in their custody
    
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    July 18, 2024 3:11pm
    - kowtow
      
      Do you think ‘in loco” applies to abortion for a pupil during school hours .
      
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      July 18, 2024 4:14pm
  - MCōs
    
    In New Zealand
    Any pregnant person can have an abortion at any age, so long as you can give informed consent. This means you understand what is happening and can agree to it.
    Any pregnant person can refuse to have an abortion. No one can force you to have an abortion or to continue a pregnancy, no matter what age you are.
    The nurse, doctor or midwife providing the abortion need to know that you understand the abortion procedure and that you’re able to give informed consent for it to happen.
    A parent or legal guardian of a young person would only need to be told if the nurse, doctor or midwife does not believe the young person is able to make an informed decision themselves.
    https://www.decide.org.nz/en/abortion-services/abortion-and-your-rights/
    
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    July 18, 2024 4:01pm
    - MCōs
      
      Further to that.
      Data from a few years back indicates each month more than two children under the age of fifteen were having babies.
      That is to say they were raped.
      There are people in this world who, while they may not like how the baby was conceived, are vehemently insistent the pregnancy should proceed
      
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      July 18, 2024 4:17pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Why on earth do you presume they were raped? Many, many young girls are willingly sexually active long before they should be.
        
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        July 18, 2024 5:28pm
      - MCōs
        
        The age of consent is sixteen. Certainly not fourteen or thirteen
        
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        July 18, 2024 6:54pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes, and that is very sad. Human life is again downgraded to worse than the animals.
      
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      July 18, 2024 4:23pm
    - Keith White
      
      In a half-century of medicine I never ever met a pregnant person. The pregnant patients – and I saw many in ER, OR and ICU practice – were always women / girls. Have things changed since I got the boot?
      
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      July 18, 2024 5:04pm
      - MCōs
        
        Let’s not be pedantic
        A woman is a person by definition
        
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        July 18, 2024 7:00pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350346830/multiple-injuries-after-two-bus-crashes-near-tekapo

Interesting that there is absolutely NO mention of the drivers of these two buses.
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July 18, 2024 2:21pm
- thirteenstars
  
  And judging from news reports on radio and in print it’s now mandatory to describe an ambulance as Hato Hone St John.
  
  That is a nasty bit of road in black ice conditions but closing the road is overkill since it’s a busy tourist route and there’s no alternative. Surely the district council has a spare hundred orange cones they can offer up.
  
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  July 18, 2024 2:30pm
  - fernglas
    
    Cultural appropriation at its worst. The saint’s real name was Ἰωάννης. Stick that on the side of the ambulance!
    
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    July 18, 2024 3:36pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Bet a buck to a pinch of Pangolin-poop they’d be Chynese.
  
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  July 18, 2024 2:53pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Why’s that?
    
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    July 18, 2024 2:59pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Because Pangolins are prized in Chynah for their scales, silly!
      
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      July 18, 2024 3:05pm
    - greybeard
      
      Here’s a clue:
      “Free Line Coach Ltd manager Ryan Qiao confirmed the Auckland-based company owned the buses and the drivers had been operating for ten years.”
      
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      July 18, 2024 5:51pm
      - MCōs
        
        What’s the big deal?
        It seems fairly obvious that the drivers and passengers are Chinese. They probably also act as tour guides and if the tourists speak little English that’s what they would prefer.
        
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        July 18, 2024 6:48pm
      - greybeard
        
        MCos !!!
        I am not talking about their linguistic skills !
        I am referring to their driving skills and experience !
        And if in fact they have a genuine driver’s licence !
        
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        July 18, 2024 7:01pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        ‘Whats the big deal?’
        
        SHEESH cossie… how many times have i said “bloody asian drivers!”
        
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        July 18, 2024 7:08pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350347406/auckland-man-caught-driving-nearly-800k-cannabis-police-say
“But Ossifer ! It is just for personal use….”
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July 18, 2024 2:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kai Madison Trump at the RNC.
Kai 2040? Um I thing Barron might was a turn at POTUS first.
U Trump dynasty? Well the other lot are a shambles and will be for years. The cheating game is over!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/kai-2040-don-trump-jr-s-teenage-daughter-joins-political-fray-with-rnc-speech/ar-BB1qbh4K?
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July 18, 2024 3:54pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  She will only be in her mid 30’s so not eligible.
  
  2050 maybe.
  
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  July 18, 2024 7:35pm
Keith White

Hmmmm….

BlackRock and Vanguard are some of the largest shareholders of Austin Private Wealth.

That company shorted $DJT for 12,000,000 shares the day before the assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
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July 18, 2024 4:25pm
- kevn
  
  Keith… BR must be gutted.
  
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  July 18, 2024 4:55pm
  - kevn
    
    Keith…
    https://x.com/DiedSuddenly_/status/1813766972720484764?
    and
    https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/money/blackrock-and-soros-linked-investment-firm-blames-clerical-error-for-suspicious-bet-on-trump-media-stocks/
    and
    https://x.com/JG_CSTT/status/1813756227203264763?
    
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    July 18, 2024 5:02pm
    - Keith White
      
      “I for one completely believe the excuses our new overlords command us to accept.” 🙂
      
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      July 18, 2024 5:16pm
      - kevn
        
        Keith…
        “Clerical error”
        Of course, what else could be going on? lol
        
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        July 18, 2024 5:45pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner reckons that would be an unusual and very risky position to take…. unless they ‘knew’ something? Somebody needs to investigate.
  
  https://austinprivatewealth.com
  
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  July 18, 2024 5:11pm
  - Keith White
    
    But… Finks gotta fink…
    
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    July 18, 2024 5:19pm
Ghost

Looks trump wasn’t the only target

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/rally-shooter-s-phones-held-information-about-both-trump-and-biden-and-searches-for-the-dates-of-the-dnc/ar-BB1qbwxR?ocid=BingNewsSerp
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July 18, 2024 4:47pm
- kevn
  
  Ghost… If that claim has come from any msm source, I would not give it too much credence.
  
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  July 18, 2024 4:59pm
Keith White

The “safe and effective” COVID-19 vaccination mantra was an effective weapon of propaganda, according to former Centers for Disease and Prevention (CDC) director Dr. Robert Redfield. Dr. Redfield admitted to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee that vaccine mandates were a complete mistake.

Appointed under Trump, Dr. Redfield served as the CDC director under President Biden, who he claims insisted the health agency suppress data regarding adverse reactions to prevent vaccination hesitancy. “There was not appropriate transparency from the beginning about the potential side effects of these vaccines, and I do think there were inappropriate decisions by some to try to underreport any side effects because they argued that would make the public less likely to get vaccinated,” Redfield testified.

So – the government(s) knew that the vaccines were neither safe nor effective, as did the health agencies. Still, they mandated the public take the experimental vaccine or be disallowed participation in society – and for Kiwis, barred from coming back home.

B*****d-coated b******s with a b****** filling and b****** sprinkles.
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July 18, 2024 5:22pm
kevn

Another one for BY…
Because we care.
https://drdrew.com/2024/1200-doctors-sign-demand-for-immediate-suspension-of-mrna-vaccine-products-in-the-hope-accord-w-dr-joseph-fraiman-ask-dr-drew/
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July 18, 2024 5:26pm
Inandout

Kia ora Jack Tame was responded to by our DPF with ‘gooday’ on ZB just now.
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July 18, 2024 5:46pm
- greybeard
  
  Greg Foran greeted Mike Hosking with “morena” this morning.
  
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  July 18, 2024 6:19pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350347902/i-dont-china-what-jd-vance-has-said-about-beijing
I really like this guy.
Finally someone with the balls to publicly express what so many of us have been thinking and saying for years.
China is a communist country which opposes the west and is currently waging a war with the west: not a militaristic war but an economic war. They intend to invest in / buy out / trade with / whatever to the point where they control the economies of western nations. And not just the West: Africa and the Pacific are prime examples.
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July 18, 2024 5:57pm
- Jake Dee
  
  A lot of people who criticize China (and Vance maybe one of them) can’t work out if they’re criticizing China for getting things wrong or if they’re criticizing them for getting things right.
  Getting more work because you do things better, faster, cheaper is not “stealing” anyone’s job.
  
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  July 19, 2024 12:01am
John Loveridge

So what’s old Mike King playing at, eh?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mike-king-provided-media-advice-to-leaders-at-commission-accused-of-having-toxic-work-culture/PIH7LNCRDVGLHOAUXPF4LT57UM/
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July 18, 2024 6:46pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/350347541/aucklands-spqr-restaurant-closed-owing-over-2-million-ird-staff-and-creditors

• SPQR closed down owing more than $2 million to staff and the IRD.
• The “iconic” Auckland restaurant closed last week after operating for over 30 years.
SPQR went into liquidation owing more than $2 million to creditors and staff.

So for years this “iconic restaurant” has been sucking-up to the Auckland “Elite” while at the same time screwing their own staff and the IRD.
Too bad.
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July 18, 2024 7:22pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  It amazes me how companies are allowed to rack up debt of these amounts and then go Bankrupt and everyone is out of pocket.
  
  Suppliers should have been on their backs as soon as invoices were not paid on time, same with IRD.
  
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  July 18, 2024 7:33pm
- AitchW
  
  Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the lion’s share of that two million owed to IRD?
  Small businesses are taxed to death every day.
  
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  July 18, 2024 8:00pm
Ghost

Well this gave me a laugh. The mother doesn’t know it’s a sex toy, the daughter does

A sex toy display at a mall chemist store has proved a highly charged issue for a visiting Hamilton mother, who has lodged multiple complaints about the risk of ‘moral harm’ to children.

Article
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