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NeverMindTheBollocks

Let’s hope the local Maoris don’t want to cut out its jaw with a chainsaw.

http://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/15/this-is-huge-worlds-rarest-whale-washes-ashore-in-otago/
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July 17, 2024 8:01am
- David Garrett
  
  This mystical connection Maori have with whales is yet another recent invention.
  
  In 1970 60 or so sperm whales washed ashore north of Gisborne. Like half the rest of the town, the Garrett family went out to observe the phenomenon.
  
  I can remember crying – I was a very sensitive boy – because Maori were cutting jawbones off clearly still alive whales, while their kids amused themselves by pouring sand down their blowholes.
  
  Te Ara records “one instance” of chainsawing jawbones off – I recall there were several, but eyewitness evidence can be very unreliable. Especially that of a child 50 years later
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:31am
  - Matt Long
    
    Aahh, but Mr Garrett obviously you didn’t understand that this was culturally appropriate because of the deep spiritual connection indigenous people have with the whenua, just like their burn offs and moa extinctions.
    Immigrants who aren’t tangata te treaty have this colonialist oppresser empirical didactic illusion that the emperor’s New clothes aren’t the most amazeballs thing in the universe.
    
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    July 17, 2024 8:52am
    - David Garrett
      
      Matt: Aha! That must be it. Or perhaps aged 12 I didn’t understand that chainsawing a live whale’s jaw off was actually honouring its wairua… or freeing its spirit…or something.
      
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      July 17, 2024 9:06am
      - JackRabbit
        
        And if they really did have a mystical connection with whales, it would have been the tribes issuing warnings about an impending earthquake after 101 whales got stranded off Stewart Island on February 21 2011.
        
        No, it was only Ken Ring that warned about beached whales a few weeks earlier as sign to watch for as prelude to a major after shock he predicted sometime between 15th Feb 2011 and 23rd Feb 2011.
        
        And I don’t see any evidence of Maori out campaigning to stop overseas sea anchored wind turbines, as evidence mounts for increasing Whale stranding and deaths as a result of the low frequency rumbling at the turbine base, and the penetrating sonar used to comprehensively map the sea floor in preparation for turbine and of course the invasive construction.
        
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        July 17, 2024 9:32am
      - Don Beckett
        
        The Maori word for whale is ‘paraoa’ if my memory serves me well. The Whangaparoa peninsula is ‘the place to see whales’ – or similar. Maori used to hunt whales for food. I guess they took the small ones, because to attack a full grown one in their single hulled canoes would be disiaster – unless they still used the twin hull/outrigger canoe as in the Pacific islands. There were still twin hulled canoes in use when Cook arrived.
        Also, ‘paraoa’ is the Maori word for bread – if I recall correctly.
        
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        July 17, 2024 10:50am
    - pdm
      
      Matt I thought for a moment you were going to say they had `a deep spiritual connection, to that Colonial Invention – the Chainsaw.
      
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      July 17, 2024 9:19am
      - David Garrett
        
        pdm: Tipene O’Reagan once said – although he would now probably deny it – that if the Maori had had the bulldozer there would have been no bush left on prime agricultural land by the time the honkey arrived.
        
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        July 17, 2024 10:43am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Another myth worth dispelling is the wonderful socialist society that existed in these islands pre European arrival. After Māori had conducted a real 24 carat genocide on the Chatham Islands and enslaved those they deemed worthy of working to death the Crown had no authority to interfere because it was considered as Māori affairs that existed before the Crowns authority over New Zealand so it carried on. The crown did eventually intervene and put a stop to it. Maybe the Māori party should study this event so as to gain a more robust understanding of what constitutes a genocide. It would be a shame for them to let the resources of their own history allow them to continue in their misunderstanding of such a weighty term.
      
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      July 17, 2024 10:26am
    - John Loveridge
      
      My 13-year-old daughter’s teacher recently told the class (I can’t recall if it was social studies or science) that early Maoris were very ashamed and repentant about killing off all the moa.
      
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      July 17, 2024 3:54pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    The notion that Maori are better stewards of the land on the basis of their ethnicity is absolute bollocks.
    
    Before human settlement in NZ, this land was 85% forest. Whwn europeans began to settle in this country, the amount of Forest had been reduced to 53-55% by a Maori population estimated to be 90,000 nationwide.
    
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    July 17, 2024 9:14am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      51 (or thereabouts) species of bird have become extinct since human settlement. Shockingly, 30 of these were driven to extinction before European arrivals.
      
      https://teara.govt.nz/en/extinctions/page-4
      
      Why did such a small human population inflict so much damage? Perhaps because they were also at war, there was no mechanism to come to agreement on sustainable use of the protein sources? Each tribe had an incentive to hunt as much as possible.
      
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      July 17, 2024 10:17am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Polynesian population of New Zealand reached at the most 2,000 individuals by the time of moa extinction ~120 years after settlement, and it was <1,500 during the period of most intense exploitation and habitat removal.
        
        An extremely low-density human population exterminated New Zealand moa
        
        https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms6436
        
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        July 17, 2024 11:11am
      - david
        
        One possible reason is the severe lack of available protein sources. The most available protein would have been fish and shellfish. Certainly the shellfish got hammered as witnessed by the declining size of shells found in middens across historical layers. Fish harvesting dodgy with bone hooks and flax string.
        I would put diet down as the number one reason for pre-eiropean extinctions
        
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        July 17, 2024 11:44am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Wasn’t even forest, it was scrub
      
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      July 17, 2024 11:39am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Ever heard of Rimu, Matai, Totara, Kahikatea, Tanekaha, Rata, Kohekohe, Kauri, Miro, Pohutukawa, Rewarewa – and there are many others.
        All trees that made up vast forests over much of the country.
        
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        July 17, 2024 4:13pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Don Beckett.
        
        Yes I have, but the whole country was not covering the whole country, much of it was scrub
        
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        July 17, 2024 5:30pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Just to change the subject. Kamala JD ummm………choices choices.
  
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  July 17, 2024 9:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The crazy one wants to debate JD Vance.
    Should be a great show!
    
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    July 17, 2024 9:31am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Maybe he can ask her what she means by this: “I can imagine what will be, unburdened by what was”.
      
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      July 17, 2024 12:30pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Aaaaannd – they’re back! Reports of people living in cars and vans. Where have you been, guys? We’ve missed you over the last six years!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350342218/nzs-homelessness-worst-living-memory
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July 17, 2024 8:01am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Kick the bad tenants out and give them to other people in need.
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:06am
- Cassandra
  
  The minute National came in people took to their cars. Makes sense, doesn’t it? Six years of living in a nice house sacrificed to make a point? Bollocks.
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:09am
- David Garrett
  
  Nevermind: Now hold on there…didn’t the Princess pledge to eliminate homelessness along with poverdy? Surely this story cannot be right?
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:23am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    She got into politics to fix child poverddy.
    
    She had every opportuniddy to help the communiddy but in the end she saw it as possibly jeprodising her international stardom so she left.
    
    If she had stayed she would have burnt the country down just to rule over its ashes…..
    
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    July 17, 2024 8:42am
    - cmm
      
      “She got into politics to fix child poverddy.”
      
      She fixed a single child’s poverdee: her own.
      
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      July 17, 2024 9:15am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I wonder where they are.
        The womens mags used to love doing follow ups on lady MPs. The house, the family, recipes etc.
        Any on her?
        
        She’s turned in to a state secret.
        
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        July 17, 2024 12:35pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nothing else matters!
        
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        July 17, 2024 4:19pm
  - cmm
    
    She eliminated the reporting of homelessness as a government failure.
    Isn’t that good enough for you?
    
    Yup, there’s certainly a lot of homelessness in Christchurch. Every day I drive past two areas where people park up over night (and one or two people make tarp tent shacks in the bushes.
    
    Some of these people are driven to this, but some are choosing it. There are some pretty up-market camper vans at some of these spots.
    
    I think that the one concern that keeps the numbers relatively low is security. This is probably why there are a few people in groups.
    
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    July 17, 2024 9:07am
    - pdm
      
      For the last 6 months or so we have had a joker living in his car parked on private property, on the driveway to a garage at the rear of a rest home in our street but, they never seemed to go near him. During the day he would stand by his car and scruffy itinerants would come and go.
      
      mrspdm and I were of the view that he was peddling drugs. Police cars are in our street fairly regularly as we live across the road from Cornwall Park in Hastings.
      
      In the last couple of weeks the car (somewhat of a wreck which I doubt is driveable) sits there but there is no sign of its former occupant.
      
      Jail maybe?
      
      We find it hard to believe that the rest home management allowed him to be there in the first place and tolerate his car in his absence.
      
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      July 17, 2024 9:29am
      - G152
        
        One just down the road from me covers his car so no-one can see him.
        
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        July 17, 2024 11:37am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Check the rego, if it’s not registered you can complain and have the car moved
        
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        July 17, 2024 11:41am
- Scott
  
  Regarding housing, for every problem there is a government solution? No!
  What the govt needs to do is get out of the way and let the market provide.
  
  The govt could get rid of the regulations around landlords and rental houses and let the market work. There are basic tenants that will take very basic housing because it is affordable.
  
  At our church there was a lady I’ll call Mary who was an ex street kid who hardly washed and had lots of cats and other animals. She wasn’t a good tenant. But for years until her death she lived in very basic accommodation provided by a local landlord at a price she could afford.
  That’s what’s needed. Get rid of the regulations and let the market work.
  
  Lastly stop flooding the country with thousands more people every year in the form of mass immigration. Let the market catch up.
  Those two measures and we’d see a lot less homelessness.
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:26am
  - cmm
    
    Correct.
    
    These regulations requiring heat pumps, double glazing, excessive restrictions against eviction etc etc have both cut down the housing stock as well as removed all the basic accommodation.
    
    I am sure living in a house with double glazing is nice and warm (I’ve never done it though) but it is expensive. If I was renting, I think I’d prefer to spend $100 a week less on rent and rather wear an extra layer.
    
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    July 17, 2024 9:19am
  - alphabeatrium
    
    Disagree on immigration. The market should determine that, too.
    
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    July 17, 2024 2:03pm
  - wsk12345
    
    Yup I have a neighbour who provides very basic accommodations in Woolston (chch) he has half a dozen places. I was a bit shocked when I saw them that people live there but for a couple hundred a week with large sections for their many cars and out of the way of more law abiding types, it probably wasn’t a big deal.
    
    I don’t think he rents them anymore as they defo don’t meet HH and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t lodge a bond for them. I imagine they will be sold for development in the next few years as woolston is rebuilt following the gelatine factory “accidental” fire.
    
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    July 17, 2024 3:24pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Just out of curiosity. How basic is “basic” ?
    
    (Hot/cold) running water? Flush toilets? Lining on walls? Any weathertightness (rain/wind) rules? Eviction on 24 hour notice?
    
    It all worked fine like that up to the early 1900’s.
    
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    July 17, 2024 3:54pm
    - cmm
      
      “Just out of curiosity. How basic is “basic” ?”
      
      Like poverdee and poverty, “too basic” doesn’t mean what it did.
      
      The house my family and I have owned and lived in for the last 11 years is not up to scratch according to rental laws and would be “too basic”. Suits us fine though.
      
      The house we owned previous to that would also be deemed “too basic”.
      
      What is so special about Aotearoans that they can’t live in basic houses? Do you really “deserve” to live in a fancy warm house just because of the complete accident of being born in NZ?
      
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      July 17, 2024 4:45pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Thanks for the answer Scott ….
        
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        July 17, 2024 6:57pm
    - wsk12345
      
      Running water presumably ( I didn’t run the taps). I would think no insulation as the wall coverings were original with a coat of paint or three over the wall paper probably 30 years ago. Original 1950 carpet, kitchen, wiring, bathroom etc. gaps under doors etc letting in drafts, no fixed heating or extractor fans, dirty and probably cold….. but actually prob not too different from the place I lived in as a student in the 90s except that was clean at least.
      
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      July 17, 2024 7:18pm
- jkt
  
  Bollocks:
  
  Journalism or activism?
  And the media can’t understand why people switch off…
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:30am
- artemisia
  
  We know “He’s a good boy really”. So the loving family will be happy to take in their good offspring. Maybe a bit less happy if they notice that, for the quarter ended 30 June, 5,108 of landlord applications to the Tenancy Tribunal included rent arrears. But wait, there’s more.
  
  The applications may not succeed but rent arrears are easy to prove.
  
  Family may not be aware, but landlords certainly are and may decide they are not charities.
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is Jacinda back in town?
  
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  July 17, 2024 9:32am
  - Paulus
    
    The media appear to think she is back, to the distress of New Zealand.
    
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    July 17, 2024 9:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Where did she go? She is barred from Tarras in central Otago, she was told by one of the shop owners just how badly she had ruined the community, and she did not like it, her security detail were gutted too, they missed out on their coffee
    
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    July 17, 2024 12:34pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  They’ve been in the same place as poisonous rivers Never mind the Bollocks.
  
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  July 17, 2024 10:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Never mind the bollocks is a sex pistols album, they had a song called his save the queen, she’s a fascist regime. Rather appropriate for Princess of bullshittery Ardern
    
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    July 17, 2024 12:36pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Certainly is!
      
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      July 17, 2024 10:20pm
kevn

More updates…
https://www.malone.news/p/assassination-and-the-banality-of?
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July 17, 2024 8:18am
- David Garrett
  
  Kevn: I only managed to get about half way through that…and I am well aware of Hannah Arendt and her writings…this guy is no Hannah Arendt.
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:22am
  - Omni Consumer Products
    
    I think his claim to fame is early development of MRNA vaccines.
    
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    July 17, 2024 8:38am
- Scott
  
  The only thing I’d say about the attempted assassination of Donald Trump is that it seems to be unlikely that it was an inside job? A 20 year old with no special training and who couldn’t shoot straight seems to be an unlikely person to choose to be the shooter?
  
  I would just suggest complacency and incompetence are the causal factors here.
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:31am
  - David Garrett
    
    Scott: …it seems to be unlikely that it was an inside job? A 20 year old with no special training and who couldn’t shoot straight seems to be an unlikely person to choose to be the shooter
    
    Thems my thoughts exactly. It would be a very brave – or stupid – man to trust such a shooter to only hit his ear from 120 metres. Two cm to the right and it would have been all over.
    
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    July 17, 2024 9:22am
    - Paulus
      
      I still believe that the media worldwide have much to answer for the hatred view that the lefties have of Trump.
      Our own media re as equally responsible for the near assassination.
      They are as pathetic as the rest of the world so called media.
      
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      July 17, 2024 10:00am
      - David Garrett
        
        Paulus: What a ridiculous claim! I would bet the farm that young Thomas Crooks had never read, and indeed was totally unaware of, the Horrid or Stuff or any other media in New Zealand.
        
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        July 17, 2024 10:35am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        I would say our media simply show how much the Left hate him rather than contributing to increasing that hatred.
        Remember that we had TV “personalities” shooting a Trump doll on live TV.
        
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        July 17, 2024 11:06am
  - Burtland
    
    its Gen Z seeking celebrity and achieving it
    – theyre quite a determined lot
    
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    July 17, 2024 9:43am
  - Grunter
    
    Scott – I still do not buy the incompetency argument – it is simply too incompetent to be real. Too many things were ‘overlooked’. The first building that the SS would have secured was the one where the gunman was positioned. To say, “oops. we missed that….” – Nah, that is not believable.
    
    I also don’t buy that this 20-year-old Patsy was the lone culprit. That too is also just too obvious. Planted to distract is my hunch.
    
    What is the real story? We will probably never know.
    
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    July 17, 2024 10:49am
    - kowtow
      
      The real story is DEI hires and safety protocols .
      
      They recognised the “risk” from that building but put staff inside , not on top , cos it had a sloped roof .
      
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      July 17, 2024 2:02pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Seems strange as the slope of the roof that the Police snipers were on was steeper.
        
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        July 17, 2024 2:42pm
  - Philview
    
    I agree, though there was an obvious plan that he knew where he was going to take up position and by chance it was the one that was unguarded. More likely it shows a degree of incompetence in the system.
    
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    July 17, 2024 11:11am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Huh, apparently Iran threaten to assassinate Trump a few weeks ago, don’t ever think this could not have been planned
    
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    July 17, 2024 12:37pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      That is exactly the sort of “report” you should be enormously skeptical of.
      Firstly, you aren’t even reporting it right it wasn’t Iran threatening to assassinate Trump. If Iran was threatening to do something, then you would have heard it from Iran. It was a report of a threat from Iran to assassinate someone, not the same thing.
      Secondly, it wasn’t even a report, it was a report OF A report. Some anonymous people have told CNN that some other anonymous person has information about an assassination attempt from Iran. No more details given.
      So, what is more likely here?
      That Iran is planning an extremely difficult and dangerous assassination attempt with highly uncertain outcomes plus that some guy who knows about it goes to the USA government who then leak it to the press OR that some people (pro Trump, anti-Iran, pro-Israel or just nutcases) wish to put it about that they do?
      If you had solid information about an ongoing assassination plot you would never make it public, that would tip your hand.
      This is dust and smoke with zero solid information in it.
      
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      July 17, 2024 7:56pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    “A 20 year old with no special training and who couldn’t shoot straight seems to be an unlikely person to choose to be the shooter?”
    
    Maybe he was chosen to be the suspect.
    The shot that hit Trump could have come from someone else.
    
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    July 17, 2024 12:44pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He was very accurate, Trump turned his head end of
      
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      July 17, 2024 5:34pm
- Andrew Worth
  
  My observation is that usually people who do evil do so for what they see as higher moral goals.
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:49am
  - MCōs
    
    There are, of course, all sorts of reasons people commit murder, but almost invariably I’d have thought these one off cases boil down to a quest for notoriety
    The moral high ground killings usually involve multiple killings. For example Tarrant who just wanted to kill Muslims
    
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    July 17, 2024 9:51am
    - David Garrett
      
      MCos: I can’t agree with you. Sirhan Sirhan, who killed RFK, somehow got it into his head that his victim was against Muslims or the Palestinians. Or he was a Zionist, or something.
      
      James Earl Ray killed Martin Luther King because he didn’t like uppity N…and the freedoms they were achieving with King as their leader.
      
      John W Hinckley, who tried to kill Reagan, was just a mad bastard who thought the assassination would impress the actress Jodie Foster – who somewhat ironically, later came out as a lesbian
      
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      July 17, 2024 10:41am
- Matt Long
  
  The latest crazy DIE stuff on the shooting is that it was unsafe to have agents on the roof the shooter was on due to slope. Musk skewers this with a post showing agents on the actual sloping Whitehouse roof.
  
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  July 17, 2024 10:30am
  - jkt
    
    No regard for the health and safety of the sharp shooters. Typical Musk.
    
    Imagine the trouble the SS boss would have gotten into if one of them fell off the roof and Worksafe took the boss to task!
    
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    July 17, 2024 2:11pm
  - JohnRidd
    
    It was unsafe to have agents on the roof because then they might have prevented someone shooting at President Trump .
    
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    July 17, 2024 9:00pm
Tauhei Notts

Many disparaging comments have appeared on this blog about Darleen Tana. I read this morning’s Herald and thought she must have taught Shane Te Pou all he knows about honesty.
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July 17, 2024 8:32am
- kowtow
  
  Can’t find that in my print edition .However there is another very dishonest , disinformation headline on a story by Adam Pearse against Seymour under the headline ;
  “Seymour urges Pharmac workers to ignore Treaty”
  
  which of course is Fakenews and utterly untrue.
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:46am
  - cmm
    
    “Seymour urges Pharmac workers to ignore Treaty”
    
    If the treaty or Maori Science had something useful to say about drug assessment or purchase, then it would make sense for Pharmac to be treaty-based.
    
    Otherwise not.
    
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    July 17, 2024 9:21am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She is a great weapon for the centre and right voters, I hope she stays like a shit stain on the greens for the rest of the term, I hope she has to sit right beside the swines in green
      
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      July 17, 2024 12:41pm
  - GJM
    
    ASctually, it is Seymour urging Pharmac to follow the treaty – as written. All people are citizens and the same, you know, that sort of thing.
    
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    July 17, 2024 10:59am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She is a great weapon for the centre and right voters, I hope she stays like a shit stain on the greens for the rest of the term, I hope she has to sit right beside the swines in green
  
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  July 17, 2024 12:39pm
imalwaysright

Karl du Fresne is still doing the odd blog.
Here’s a great one on the death throes of tv3 news.

https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2024/07/do-they-realise-how-precious-they-look.html?m=1
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July 17, 2024 8:36am
Maggie Pie

This thread from a bestie on ‘X’….

“FOLLOW-THE-KOHA”

(seems legit?)

https://x.com/truereckons1/status/1813035305257300263
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July 17, 2024 8:38am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Koha is an now an epithet for corruption costs…..
  
  This is also know as ‘shake down’ ‘blackmail’ and of course the old one ‘protection money’.
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:44am
  - David Garrett
    
    Blog: an epithet is an adjective or phrase expressing a quality or attribute regarded as characteristic of the person or thing mentioned.
    
    The word you are seeking is euphemism, which means using a “nice” word or phrase rather than a harsh one. “Passed on” rather than “died” for example, or “sex worker” instead of prostitute.
    
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    July 17, 2024 10:49am
- pdm
  
  No surprises there Maggie.
  
  Paying people to tell you want to hear was not a new phenomenon in 2022. . In fact it was probably a regular occurrence.
  
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  July 17, 2024 8:47am
- imalwaysright
  
  $100 a head payment to engage in a governmental process.
  If the maoris do get their own government they will be broke within the week !
  
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  July 17, 2024 9:07am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That is possibly rotten Labour work right there, and take a wild guess who was min of Health at that time, I give a clue, it was not Little
  
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  July 17, 2024 12:42pm
Yvette

David Seymour is expected to unveil the draft version of his Treaty Principles Bill next week, as community groups and political parties prepare to oppose the controversial legislation.
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The concept of the banality of evil is often misunderstood as suggesting that evil is ordinary or common. However, Arendt’s intention was to highlight the fact that evil is not necessarily driven by a desire for destruction or chaos, but rather by a lack of thought and consideration for the consequences of one’s actions.

The concept of the “banality of evil” was introduced by Hannah Arendt in her 1963 book “Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil”. Arendt, a German-American philosopher and political theorist, was tasked with reporting on the trial of Adolf Eichmann, a former Nazi official responsible for the logistics of the Holocaust.
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“evil is not necessarily driven by a desire for destruction or chaos, but rather by a lack of thought”
What real thought can there be when those opposing the legislation have not yet seen it?

Okay – should I oppose the opposition until it occurs?
So it goes on … banality regarding the “banality of evil”

David Seymour’s proposed legislation should not mention the Treaty of Waitangi, but instead just say that Government’s right to govern, the protection of legal property, and equality of New Zealanders rights and responsibilities, are presently questioned enough to require clarification – and that secularity of Government and its functions are also an issue.

But too late, it will likely be introduced next week with a little chaos
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July 17, 2024 8:48am
- Cassandra
  
  It can hardly avoid the Treaty when its purpose is to define the Treaty’s principles.
  
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  July 17, 2024 9:34am
  - Yvette
    
    It is pointless now of course to suggest any alternative, but had legislation been framed only on the circumstances that the likes of the pharmacy union (Chemists, for God sake!) is subservient now to a document that states Maori did not cede sovereignty, among many others, which can justify a law that asserts simply “the Government has the right to govern”. That need not directly relate to the Treaty, but would in after-action quash any Maori setting up an independent Government, as being unlawful. Likewise a statement that Government and its services are secular, would in a backlash knock on the head much of te Ao o Maori – of the Maori world-view, that portion which is religious.
    
    The legislation could have been in two steps:
    first, establish simple law which (the tyranny of the) majority accept
    second, use that law to sort out the Treaty mess.
    
    Simply put – Is the Maori / Crown agreement, the Treaty of Waitangi, against the UN Declaration of Human Rights?
    
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    July 17, 2024 10:18am
- pdm
  
  Assuming it goes through the normal process I intend to submit supporting it.
  
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  July 17, 2024 9:35am
- Damocles11
  
  It is increasingly apparent that Seymour is almost the only strong presence on the right, hence the desperation by all and sundry to destroy him. So we get innuendo, we get the muck raking from the MSM about brief snap chat interactions from 8 years ago. And it is now apparent how orchestrated the smear campaign has been, with the usual back and forth between the MSM and the army of on-line leftist trolls. No MSM story on Seymour can be posted without references by the on-line trolls to him ‘snap-chatting kids’. The MSM have been very happy to wreck this mans reputation with muck raking, and he is the chief obstacle to total capitulation to Maori control.
  
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  July 17, 2024 10:00am
softail 1450

Good news, Good news, TV1 has announced that there will be a totally new 95% Maori show added to their programming and its also Good news for the taxpayers as there will be zero extra costs , the only small cost will be running the competition for school children to pick an appropriate Maori name for TV1s exisisting Breakfast program, yeeeee haaaa.
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July 17, 2024 8:56am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Good, it will be a great poll for one news, let’s see how long it survives with next to no viewers
  
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  July 17, 2024 12:43pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Shows how deluded they are to think that schoolchildren would be watching their crap.
  
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  July 17, 2024 12:49pm
Rusty

Norm Hewitt has died of that awful motor neuron disease.
Thug rugby player and nasty guy around booze in his younger days.
But he turned it all around and did great work with troubled youths. RIP
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July 17, 2024 9:03am
- muzled
  
  I didn’t realise he did so much good work.
  
  https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/michael-laws-pays-tribute-to-norm-hewitt
  
  RIP Norm.
  
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  July 17, 2024 2:36pm
Maggie Pie

And thort it only fair to give Ryan Bridge a few days to settle in before critiquing his performance as the new host of….. ‘ZB’s Early Edition’.

Well, he sure as hell ain’t Katie Hawkesby.

Just saying.
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July 17, 2024 9:05am
- greybeard
  
  He is better than the current 12 noon to 7pm slot on NewstalkZB, which has Tim Roxborogh followed by Jack Tame !
  At 12 noon there is the nationwide sound of radios being turned off.
  
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  July 17, 2024 9:33am
  - pdm
    
    gb – 12noon is Jamie Mackay hosting `The Country’ for an hour and always worth listening to.
    
    From 1pm until 7pm at the moment I agree with you wholeheartedly.
    
    Hopefully HDPA will be back at 4pm next week but, if Barnett and that other fellow go missing I won’t be too distressed – they are like a couple of old women from the 1950’s.
    
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    July 17, 2024 9:42am
    - greybeard
      
      In Wellington we get Barnett etc from 12 noon.
      I listen to “Best of The Country” each Sat at 6am: brilliant program.
      https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/
      
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      July 17, 2024 9:47am
  - PurplePen
    
    I like Tim R. Great radio voice, doesn’t over talk his guests, rational.
    
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    July 17, 2024 11:02am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Oh really??
      Him and that other woke retard Travesty make my flesh crawl.
      Turn off immediately whenever they ever come on.
      Other than Hosk and HDPA who else they got worth listening to?
      
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      July 17, 2024 11:32am
      - lifesgood
        
        Jim Snedden,
        
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        July 17, 2024 2:27pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Has HDA gone now, or is Lame Tame just there during school holidays?
    
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    July 17, 2024 12:44pm
- pdm
  
  Was thinking that as I listened this morning Maggie.
  
  Bridge is dull and boring at best.
  
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  July 17, 2024 9:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, he sounds very very ‘flat’.
    Katie was sooo uplifting waking up to.
    Maybe she could lend Ryan her hi-heels and lippy?
    
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    July 17, 2024 9:50am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      *Katie was sooo uplifting waking up to.”
      
      No Mahler is “uplifting” waking up to.
      
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      July 17, 2024 10:24am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Not ‘5’ in the morning! There’s a time and place for everything.
        
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        July 17, 2024 10:30am
mandk

Can anyone help?

About a year ago, I read a story about how dividends paid to the govt by the electricity generators had increased since part privatisation, even though the govt holding had reduced from 100% to 50%. However, I can’t remember the source.

Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
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July 17, 2024 9:17am
- Ghost
  
  Was it this?
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/11/14/calls-for-govt-intervention-over-excess-power-dividends/
  
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  July 17, 2024 10:07am
  - Taieri
    
    I have some shares in Meridian and Mercury. The dividends they pay are quite modest. Probably just below what bank’s term deposits pay. The increase in the value of shares is quite good though, particularly for Meridian shares.
    
    As for the linked article…the stupidity of some statements included there is simply unbelievable.
    
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    July 17, 2024 10:13am
  - mandk
    
    Thanks, but no.
    
    I doubt I would ever take seriously anything the NZCTU (and especially Craig Renney) said.
    
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    July 17, 2024 11:25am
bjools

New Labour Govt. in UK
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Labour+UK+agenda+to+nationalise+the+railways
Just one example
https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labour-manifesto-2024-sign-up/
Do you think the good people of the UK, actually read what was on the tin, of the rat poison they were buying….
Back to the bad old 1970’s.
Must have copied Ardern….on steroids.
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July 17, 2024 9:19am
- PeeJay
  
  I think that’s a tad unreasonable to be fair.
  
  While the old British Rail was awful, I think you’ll find that privatisation has not been an unqualified success either – in fact, it’s often just as bad, and frequently, worse than the old BR.
  
  Privatisation tends to work best when there is real and tangible competition. It stops monopolistic behaviour and effective rent seeking. There are many areas where privatisation is fantastic – compare the old state monopoly phone & power with the private versions – may not be perfect, but significantly better on many orders of magnitude.
  
  Railways have proven to be difficult (as has the water privatisation) – some form of re-nationalisation of the railways actually seems to have wide public support.
  
  Nationalising the railways might not be a success but I don’t think it’s reasonable to pretend that privatisation has been a roaring success either.
  
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  July 17, 2024 10:43am
  - Grunter
    
    Any monopoly is bad.
    
    A Govt monopoly is the worst situation.
    
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    July 17, 2024 11:01am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350343305/national-party-figure-duped-couple-out-125k
Same old story: rip-off your fellow countryman.
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July 17, 2024 9:38am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner was saying Americans call it “blue-on-blue”.
  He’s not sure what the Indians call it?
  
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  July 17, 2024 10:04am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Just released… a forensic examination of how close we all were to losing the 47th President of the United-States-Of-America 🙁

https://x.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1813324444745474447
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July 17, 2024 9:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well I am not a man of faith, but if there is a God, then Trump has his God in his pocket. Such a lucky man.
  
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  July 17, 2024 11:13am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He must have moved his head precisely as the shot was fired, there was no time to do it after the shot was fired
    
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    July 17, 2024 12:49pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      As I said, his God is in his pocket.
      
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      July 17, 2024 5:22pm
- Grunter
  
  The next one will likely get him.
  
  ‘They’ will no doubt be setting the next plan. It will probably take a few months but likely before Nov 5th.
  
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  July 17, 2024 12:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    We know they are desperate.
    
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    July 17, 2024 5:27pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That’s the expat vision I talked about yesterday, I seen it on Fox on Monday night, he turned his head to look at the chart he put up, or it would have gone through the back of his head, people say this guy was a poor shot, not so, Trumpy was doing the cracker jack
  
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  July 17, 2024 12:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why are some of our Universities so intent on embedding Maori culture and tikanga into the day-today running of the establishments when Wananga have been set up specifically to cater for these practices?

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/john-raine-and-david-lillis-giselle-byrnes-opinion-piece-why-te-tiriti-and-not-gaza-a-counte
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July 17, 2024 9:48am
- surfing
  
  Because pre-european Maori had the best educational systems in the world …
  
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  July 17, 2024 10:07am
- Taieri
  
  Holier than thou…nothing beats living in the fantasy land of the mythical treaty “principles”, which nobody has managed to spell out as yet…
  
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  July 17, 2024 10:07am
slightlyrighty

Why are wahine Maori so over represented in the list of MP’s that have jumped waka from the party they were elected for?
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July 17, 2024 10:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ooh, ooh, ooh,….
  I know the answer to that one
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/parliament-is-a-toxic-workplace-for-women-wahine-maori-and-women-of-colour-former-mp/HXXTQ5HI5RGMXPEFPAHMVVPAEY/
  
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  July 17, 2024 10:27am
- MCōs
  
  Two in the last sixteen months plus one Indian male two years ago resigned from their parties.
  
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  July 17, 2024 10:46am
- Keith White
  
  Because they know they’ll float…
  
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  July 17, 2024 11:26am
MCōs

Statement by Helen Clark and Don Brash in light of their perception the PM is needlessly & unilaterally realigning our foreign policy
https://www.helenclarknz.com/my-diary/statement-on-nz-government-jeopardising-nzsindependent-foreign-policy-and-economic-security
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July 17, 2024 10:23am
- greybeard
  
  “The course which the New Zealand Government is now taking, with no electoral mandate for a radical change to foreign policy, carries huge risks to our country”, Helen Clark and Don Brash said.”
  Well Helen Clark and Don Brash do not have a mandate to contradict our elected PM and make public statements in favour of China.
  
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  July 17, 2024 11:03am
  - MCōs
    
    They can say what they like. They no longer speak on behalf of either the country or their party
    There’s any number of people in the agrarian sector whose livelihood depends on trade with China who might be a bit nervous if we become too close militarily to America.
    
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    July 17, 2024 11:26am
    - Grunter
      
      Exactly – why would little NZ kick the Dragon (China) when the Dragon buys a stackload of milk, meat, etc?
      
      And, what has China specifically done to NZ that other countries have never done?
      
      France sent in undercover agents to blow up a boat in Auckland Harbour once – imagine the up roar from the Sinophobists if China did that.
      
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      July 17, 2024 11:42am
      - kowtow
        
        At least the Frogs didn’t bribe their way into our parliament ……..
        
        Oh and the boat was meant to be empty . N’est pas.
        
        If we want to talk casualties , how many people died in New Zealand at the hands of our utterly draconian lockdowns while they missed out on health treatments and our children’s futures blighted by a destroyed education system . Or how many people have been murdered by out on parole or early released crims.
        
        The Frogs only killed one ,accidently , our own govt have thousands on their hand and guess what , that virus came from a lab in ………
        
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        July 17, 2024 12:38pm
      - Grunter
        
        kowtow – “….from a lab in….”
        China
        
        Funded by a crook in ……..
        
        There are no Goodies kowtow.
        
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        July 17, 2024 1:22pm
      - MCōs
        
        “Oh and the boat was meant to be empty”
        So that’s all right then?
        Bloody terrorists
        Imagine if a couple of Kiwis blew up some empty car on the Champs-Élysées because it was some group protesting against our beef imports or whatever
        
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        July 17, 2024 1:22pm
  - R
    
    Helen Clark was the original implementation of policy for which she had no electoral mandate
    
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    July 17, 2024 11:56am
- Ghost
  
  Perhaps ms Clark can tell us about the Chinese government hacking our mp’s under the Ardern government, and why these mp’s had to wait until national got in to be told about it. Look forward to Helen’s letter when china attack Taiwan.
  
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  July 17, 2024 11:07am
  - MCōs
    
    In the unlikely event that China attacks Taiwan I can’t see NZ throwing itself under the bus.
    NZ has gone into bat numerous times for America since WWII and if there’s a regime change over there they intend to impost universal trade barriers to protect American industries.
    Vance probably couldn’t find us on a map
    
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    July 17, 2024 11:36am
    - Grunter
      
      If we sign up to AUKUS level 2 then we will certainly be thrown under the bus in such a scenario – that is the idiotic danger Luxon doesn’t want to talk about.
      
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      July 17, 2024 11:46am
- Grunter
  
  From the statement…..
  “A better approach would be to follow the example of Singapore – friendly to both China and the US, but definitely not in a treaty relationship with either. The course which the New Zealand Government is now taking, with no electoral mandate for a radical change to foreign policy, carries huge risks to our country”, Helen Clark and Don Brash said.
  
  I could not agree more!
  
  How Seymour can say otherwise, and still claim he is a Libertarian is beyond rational thinking.
  
  Of course, we know why Luxon is doing what he is doing. Sucking up to Washington big time. He is not a man I can trust.
  
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  July 17, 2024 11:25am
- Colville
  
  When I read that I wondered how much koha Brash had received for that opinion. Well below what I expected from him.
  Clark I know has her snout in the trough since forever.
  
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  July 17, 2024 11:50am
  - Grunter
    
    Why is it bad when you say “Let’s stay neutral”?
    
    The statement is not Pro-China, Pro-USA, anti-China, nor anti-USA…… so why the angst?
    
    The days of ‘Goodies v Badies’ are well gone when it comes to geo-politics (probably never existed)
    
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    July 17, 2024 12:36pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      So why did we get involved in WW II ?
      
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      July 17, 2024 4:22pm
  - kowtow
    
    An awful lot of the NZ “right” have appointments to Chinese run /controlled businesses .
    
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    July 17, 2024 12:40pm
    - Grunter
      
      George Washington’s Farewell Address, in which he stated,
      “The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible…It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.”
      
      The other crucial expression of principle was Thomas Jefferson’s First Inaugural Address, in which he emphasized that the policy of the United States should be “peace, friendship, and honest commerce with all nations, entangling alliances with none.”
      
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      July 17, 2024 1:23pm
      - kowtow
        
        Oh come on , they’re politicians .
        
        Theywere morethan happy to accept arms ,naval and military assistance from the Royalist French .
        
        Oh and how did all that peace and friendship thingy work out for the Indians , Spanish and Mexicans….
        
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        July 17, 2024 2:52pm
      - greybeard
        
        George Washington may have had a change of heart had he lived in current times, in a drastically different world.
        
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        July 17, 2024 3:00pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        When George Washington was President, the USA didn’t have a land border with any recognized sovereign nation. The treaties that drew the lines between the USA and Spain in the south and Britain in the north were still decades away.
        
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        July 17, 2024 7:12pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  This is Peters work, he did say we have to realign because of the pacific
  
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  July 17, 2024 12:51pm
Ghost

The antifa reports come from junk sites. It came from people claiming the assassin was Mark Violets
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July 17, 2024 10:32am
Maggie Pie

MUST WATCH…

I remember seeing a vid of Col Gaddaffi’s female bodyguards once.

Don’t think any of them would have needed to lift their tummy out of the way
to holster the weapon 😎

https://tiktok.com/@presidentialscorecard/video/7391962912564284703
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July 17, 2024 10:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Wireless hole punch” Love it!
  
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  July 17, 2024 11:49am
- Colville
  
  She, very obviously , is wearing a very bulky vest under her shirt, you can see the outline of it as she moves.
  
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  July 17, 2024 11:56am
  - kowtow
    
    Made of jello.
    
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    July 17, 2024 1:09pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    No, that not a vest where the gun is deflected.
    That’s all her own work.
    
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    July 17, 2024 1:14pm
  - cmm
    
    They’re all wearing vests, but if only shows on Donut Barbie?
    
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    July 17, 2024 4:25pm
    - cmm
      
      “it only shows”…. bah!
      
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      July 17, 2024 4:37pm
Ghost

Greens have released the executive summary into Darleen

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/beachheroes/pages/28670/attachments/original/1721167114/Final_Executive_Summary_-_5_July_2024_-_Redacted_name.pdf?1721167114
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July 17, 2024 10:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Mod, what about posting in the evening then re-posting for the 9 to 5 people?
It just gets a wider audience which I think it is important.
I rarely go back and read yesterday’s General Debate.

[Mod – No. You can do what DPF has said. Put a link to the site in your profile and not post it in the comments so often]
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July 17, 2024 11:07am
- wsk12345
  
  Just post the previous days link in the morning Steve.
  
  Gotta say, his titles of xxxx part 15 etc are off putting. I stopped reading.
  
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  July 17, 2024 3:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Previous days link is what I do. Mods and DPF don’t want the double posting – ie evening and then next morning.
    I do think the posts are not being read properly as when Julian Batchelor is doing a numbering series of topic breakdowns each day/evening.
    Anyway wsk12345, even though they are numbered each one is different.
    
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    July 17, 2024 4:38pm
Keith White

Benedict, this one’s about your recommendation of forcing parents to choose between a jab that does not prevent illness and does not prevent transmission but does cause death in the young and fit and healthy – or not having their children get the education they need and paid for.

1970-2020 (that’s, yeah, fifty years)
Athletes who suffered cardiac arrest and died: 1,312

2021-2022 (that’s not a long time…)
Athletes who suffered cardiac arrest and died: 1,598

Since all ya’ll want us ‘deniers’ to follow the numbers, are you now gonna follow these numbers and reconsider your deadly strategy?
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July 17, 2024 11:26am
- kowtow
  
  Sean Plunkett who goes to great lengths to insult any anti mandate folk or covidscam skeptics as “cookers” , as frequently as he can , so no doubt is “vaxxed to the max” is off work with a very bad dose of covid .
  
  How’s that “vaccine” working out for ya Sean.
  
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  July 17, 2024 12:49pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    I seem to remember him telling us he’s had three doses.
    
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    July 17, 2024 3:54pm
- imalwaysright
  
  KW
  I’ve noticed that there is an attitude from some that those who believe in the danger of the experimental chemical are a bit reactionary and a bit thick.
  They also fear the potential for ridicule for admitting to the same concerns.
  They therefore head for the centre of the flock on the moral high ground and engage in denialism, regardless of the facts.
  Don’t forget that the whole purpose of the propaganda was to instill mass fear.
  For the next one they will probably aim for mass hysteria.
  
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  July 17, 2024 1:28pm
  - Keith White
    
    IAR: indeed I am reminded of what my ex-profession did back in those days to Dr Igor Semmelweis – who was basically single-handedly responsible for the survival of untold postpartum mothers (until the theory and practice of antisepsis was finally acknowledged by the mainstream profession). He died a broken man quite quickly after being abused in a lunatic asylum — which the likes of the then-Medical Council, Bloonfields and Arderns of his era hmd literally not metaphorically driven him to be incarcerated in. Simply because he wanted everybody involved in intra- and post-partum care to Wash. Their. Hands.
    
    In New Zealand we still have an enormous amount of people unwilling to admit that they could possibly have been wrong, which means that they are completely willing to injure and kill more it people by insisting on the continued use of a vaccine series which – and this can’t be said too often – not only doesn’t prevent infection, it doesn’t prevent transmission. Therefore it is entirely immoral for me to insist that you should be vaccinated – and take the risks of being vaccinated – because I am fearful that I may catch it off you. Because the vaxjab does not stop transmission. (And for those late to the party, the original Pfizer study on which the MedSafe recommendation said it was safe to use and that it would stop transmission as well as severe infection, never tested for this.
    
    Sometimes actually I am pleased that I am no longer allowed to be in practice in New Zealand, to misquote Groucho Marx – ‘why would I want to be a member of this club if they would have me.’
    
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    July 17, 2024 2:35pm
    - Mike
      
      Ah, the Galileo Gambit.
      
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      July 17, 2024 6:04pm
      - Keith White
        
        No, Mike. Try to keep up; it’s not Galileo-Gambit territory when the establishment is against the contrarian when the contrarian is correct on the facts; as was Galileo.
        
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        July 17, 2024 6:25pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Sad that you can’t practice.
      This situation would have been incomprehensible 10 years ago.
      All the best
      
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      July 17, 2024 7:49pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      They will usually forgive you for being wrong, but they will never forgive you for being right.
      
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      July 17, 2024 7:56pm
  - wsk12345
    
    Same as regarding Trump, the media has instilled mass fear about him being the end of democracy, the second coming of Hitler etc. and many that believed it have just woken up. MAGA caps all over San Fran apparently!
    
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    July 17, 2024 3:56pm
- wsk12345
  
  Benedict is a smart guy and I enjoy his well thought out and well written contributions on KB. But like Sean Plonkett, he has blinkers on when it comes to the covid jab and you’re wasting your time trying to prove anything, even as a medical doctor who saw all this sh*t go down first hand.
  
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  July 17, 2024 3:54pm
  - kevn
    
    wsk…. Well, when you’ve had 6 boosters maybe, it would hard to admit wrong think. Just upping the odds. Of health issues.
    This doc has good comments in the jab dept..
    https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-each?
    
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    July 17, 2024 5:16pm
Ghost

Trump talks about vaccines with RFK, the assassination attempt

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July 17, 2024 11:28am
- Grunter
  
  The real interesting bit is Trump asking RFK Jnr to endorse him. That would come with some sort of promise and I wouldn’t mind betting that would be the job of the Attorney General in the Trump administration. That would give RFK Jnr free rein to go hard on Fauci and the entire COVID industrial complex.
  
  RFK jnr also very anti-Ukraine war (just like JD Vance).
  
  So this scenario if it comes about would be a very good outcome IMO.
  
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  July 17, 2024 11:54am
  - imalwaysright
    
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    Agree. That would be a very effective appointment.
    Talented people don’t fear talented people.
    
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    July 17, 2024 1:33pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    I think Trump could do a very good deal there and isn’t making deals Trump’s forte?
    RFK jnr. maybe a bit flakey but framing his campaign as a crusade to make America healthy again is a very good idea. If RFK gets a cabinet position in a Trump administration he could do some real work, not just shout from the sidelines.
    The semi-flakey hippy-dippy eco-alternative medicine crowd is a real constituency, Trump could build some bridges there.
    
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    July 17, 2024 7:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Where was the Secret Service?
This is satire, I am just the messenger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ro1qyx8hAQ
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July 17, 2024 12:20pm
kowtow

Apparently putting secret service agents on a sloped roof was a “safety” issue for them.
Instead they were posted inside the building .

You can’t make this stuff up.
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July 17, 2024 12:57pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Indeed but the statement is proved to be totally hollow because photos now exist of an FBI employee on said roof, unrestrained, un hi-vised using a largish hose to wash away the blood all while standing upright……
  
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  July 17, 2024 1:19pm
- imalwaysright
  
  I’m thinking that the shooting suspect was set up.
  More likely the shots came from behind him, and the snipers killed him to close the case.
  How could the snipers kill him within 4 or 5 seconds and not be able to see him setting up.
  I think the company had their own shooter and the snipers only job was to kill the kid after the shooting .
  
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  July 17, 2024 1:36pm
  - kowtow
    
    Oh dear.
    
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    July 17, 2024 2:48pm
- Ghost
  
  It was police that were in the building. secret service guard the inner perimeter. The second perimeter is the magnetometers, which are run by other agencies. Outside that is the job of local law enforcement.
  
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  July 17, 2024 5:30pm
Grunter

Yep, this obvious scam (“WE WERE JUST INCOMPETENT”) is becoming more obvious by the hour.

Steve’s satire clip is almost as believable as what the officials are saying (joke).
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July 17, 2024 1:14pm
kowtow

Anyone else skeptical about the “official” inflation figure at 3 .3 % .
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July 17, 2024 1:17pm
- Damocles11
  
  I see a lot of dumb on-line comments about “ooooeerrr…I don’t believe it, prices aren’t dropping”.
  There is a difference between ‘falling prices’ and ‘falling inflation’.
  Prices dropping across the board would be deflation.
  
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  July 17, 2024 3:48pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Non tradeable (which was the issue) dropped from 1.6 –> 0.9 for qtr. Suspect Orr may have to get his a-into-g next month ….
  
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  July 17, 2024 4:51pm
Ghost

Shouldn’t happen, but, I don’t think anyone will care that it did.

A man who assaulted his daughter’s killer as he stood in a court dock has pleaded guilty and has been told he’s likely to go to jail.

Graham Mokaraka was in the public gallery and jumped a 1.8metre high glass barrier in the High Court at Napier on September 11 last year in order to attack the man who murdered his daughter.

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July 17, 2024 1:24pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Rape? Home D with KFC
  Attack a murderer? Prison time….
  
  A O tea RO a at its finest.
  
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  July 17, 2024 1:45pm
- Keith White
  
  The Government (in this case the “Justice System”) always wants to retain a monopoly on violence. Why we have no castle doctrine or right to self-defense, in NZ.
  
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  July 17, 2024 2:37pm
  - Mike
    
    There is a right to self defence. Castle doctrine is mostly bullshit and not needed here.
    
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    July 17, 2024 4:31pm
    - Keith White
      
      Try testing that right in court, Mike-O. The process is part, but not even all, of the punishment. And anytime you call something mostly bullshit that means part is also not-bullshit and the remainder is your misunderstanding.
      
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      July 17, 2024 6:27pm
Ghost

Apparently rumours on Chinese social media that Xi Jinping has had a stroke. Guess we will have to wait and see

One YouTuber. But no translation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySZkyfO4Rwc
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July 17, 2024 2:22pm
- MCōs
  
  How many’s that he’s had now
  
  ‘Chris Luxon’s here to see you, sir’
  ‘FFS. Tell him I’ve had another stroke, comrade’
  
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  July 17, 2024 5:11pm
lifesgood

Clark and Brash are yesterday’s people. No one gives a stuff what they say. I’m sick to death of hearing Clark’s opinions. Just go away, please.
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July 17, 2024 2:33pm
- mandk
  
  Yes, Clark the has-been, and Brash the never-was.
  
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  July 17, 2024 3:23pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Brash missed wiping out Clark and Cullen by a whisker, if Key had jump the shark a bit earlier, Then I think Nats would have won
    
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    July 17, 2024 5:43pm
- Damocles11
  
  I don’t mind hearing from Don Brash. He’s a million times better than the amoral woke corporate ‘swim with the tide’ types that are busy selling us down the river on DEI and Maorification.
  
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  July 17, 2024 3:50pm
Chuck Bird

Brilliant speech

JUST IN: Haley Gives Her ‘Strong Endorsement’ To Trump At The Republican National Convention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjkzFK3XSpc
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July 17, 2024 3:00pm
- Mike
  
  It’s quite refreshing to see all the republicans Trump has insulted over the years lining up to worship the orange visage. Not cult-like at all.
  
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  July 17, 2024 4:27pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    All the contenders rubbished him, he came out on top, he will be Prez 47
    
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    July 17, 2024 5:45pm
- Graeme Hall
  
  Nicki Haley hardly got a rousing reception or endorsement by the delegates of her speech. Her face and the constant undertow of booing told the story.
  
  Ron De Santis got a completely different reception from the crowd & The Donald. His speech was far better.
  
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  July 17, 2024 4:30pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not y to o start e we it, but she did by the end
    
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    July 17, 2024 5:45pm
Conservatarian

Richard Arnold on Mike Hosking update, 17 July 2024: Arnold parrots Democrat talking points about J.D. Vance’s long-ago (2016?) view of Trump (unaware that a man may change his mind on a person for reasons not involving money or power), goes relatively easy on Trump himself. This will be the last time he does not attack.

Hosking nods along. It seems to me Arnold’s content is phoned in, as some sort of contractual obligation of NZME. One hopes that eventually the contract is discontinued.

Later Hosking continues his usual tone of comments about Trump (non-slanderous though not actively positive). I imagine he prefers Trump, or is close to it, but the code of ethics for NZ media personalities means you cannot outright praise Trump.
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July 17, 2024 3:08pm
- Mike
  
  It’s hardly worth attacking Vance when Trump is such a fat target given his history of human, professional and political failures.
  
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  July 17, 2024 4:24pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hahahaha, people are flocking back to Trimp because they now see the difference between right, and dead beat left.
    
    The biggest mistake the Dems made was canning oil and gas when the states was energy independent. The world has suffered because of that stupidity
    
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    July 17, 2024 5:48pm
- MCōs
  
  “the code of ethics for NZ media personalities means you cannot outright praise Trump”
  This isn’t a totalitarian state. I don’t listen to Mike Hosking, but from what I’ve heard or read of him he’s not one to spout any sort of official line
  Maybe he just doesn’t like Mr Trump
  
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  July 17, 2024 4:26pm
  - Mike
    
    Cult members may find it puzzling that someone shares some political opinions with cult members but refuses to worship the cult leader.
    A bit like Catholics not obeying the pope.
    
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    July 17, 2024 5:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Where is the Secret Service?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy9dEy7rX5I
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July 17, 2024 3:55pm
- MCōs
  
  Top secret
  
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  July 17, 2024 4:16pm
  - Keith White
    
    They’re in a safe space without slopes.
    
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    July 17, 2024 4:40pm
- Mike
  
  In the conservatory with the lead piping?
  
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  July 17, 2024 4:25pm
rouppe

Another airplane seat-swap story

Never in all these stories do I hear the person asking for someone to move down a class, ever offer to move down a class themselves and offer their seat to some random in economy
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July 17, 2024 4:04pm
Maggie Pie

Already 8M views!!

Here’s what you need to do.

Klik on link. Full screen. Sound up.

Then ask youself….. WTF did I just listen to? 😀 😀 😀

https://x.com/JomboyMedia/status/1813005231363616990
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July 17, 2024 4:17pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Not a good rendition – flat a lot of the time.
  
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  July 17, 2024 4:37pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Flat like tyres on cars used in jewelry store robberies so they steal another car?
    Just a little off key——–
    
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    July 17, 2024 5:51pm
- Ghost
  
  Is this the woman that admits she was drunk and has gone into rehab0?
  
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  July 17, 2024 4:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Um drugs is my guess. Have some alcohol, have some pot (I don’t)
  This headcase was fucked out on drugs – don’t do drugs – please.
  
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  July 17, 2024 5:45pm
  - Mike
    
    Alcohol is a drug, Steve.
    
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    July 17, 2024 6:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Only to those who can’t handle it and get violent.
      Wine gums are a drug too. Don’t eat them Mike.
      
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      July 18, 2024 6:41am
      - Mike
        
        Now I want winegums.
        
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        July 18, 2024 7:33am
cmm

Something something dogs and fleas….

Seriously, when you “lose” $200k of meth do you think saying “oops” will work?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/four-sentenced-in-nelson-after-family-kidnapped-over-200k-of-missing-meth-one-tortured/UPJHZHYBWRAKLGVWWSHKCVNDW4/
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July 17, 2024 4:22pm
- Keith White
  
  Why is the judge waiting for a cultural report for a torturing meth-dealer? Why the actual flock should there be any change to the sentence the lowlife deserves, because of his ‘culcha’?
  
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  July 17, 2024 4:47pm
- MCōs
  
  I worked in a Structure Engineering office back in the eighties and one of our colleagues was a draughtsman who found himself riding shotgun for his mate who was some kind of drug dealer
  He told us one day the previous evening his mate had picked him up and they’d gone round to a guy’s place to discuss an overdue account.
  The guy couldn’t pay so he broke his ankles with a baseball bat!
  He then made him ring ahead to the next guy on his list and what do you know by the time they got to his place he had the money ready.
  Our mate was a bit of a hard looking character, but he found that style of debt collecting fairly intense
  
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  July 17, 2024 4:54pm
fernglas

I know this was a subject of a post here the other day, but I wonder of anyone has given thought to whether Debbie Ngarewa Packer’s words on TV amount to hate speech?
S61 of the Human Rights Act provides that it is unlawful
“to use in any place words which are threatening, abusive, or insulting if the person using the words knew or ought to have known that the words were reasonably likely to be…..broadcast by means of… television,—
being matter or words likely to excite hostility against or bring into contempt any group of persons in New Zealand on the ground of the colour, race, or ethnic or national origins of that group of persons.”
Presumably the assertion that the National party are “white supremacists” is based on the colour of their skin, and it is hard to imagine a genocide being perpetrated by someone of the same racial background.
I know the call from DPF was for Labour and the Greens to get Te Pati Maori to pull their heads in from inflammatory speech, but has anyone contemplated that the rhetoric is unlawful?
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July 17, 2024 4:50pm
- Mike
  
  Make a complaint:
  https://tikatangata.org.nz/resources-and-support/make-a-complaint
  
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  July 17, 2024 5:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good onya Mike. I knew you would make a complaint so the rest of us don’t have to.
    Good job done sonny.
    
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    July 17, 2024 5:55pm
    - Mike
      
      😆
      
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      July 17, 2024 5:58pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hahaha, all three parties are inflammatory in many ways, people will not vote to have greens and TPM in cabinet, Hipkins has no show without this
  
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  July 17, 2024 5:51pm
  - Mike
    
    Sure, next thing DPF will be blaming National and ACT for NZ First tomfoolery.
    
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    July 17, 2024 6:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Who is this ‘Hipkins’ you speak of Kemosabe?
    
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    July 17, 2024 6:18pm
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      He was the leader of the opposition until Helen took over
      
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      July 17, 2024 7:09pm
  - MCōs
    
    As it happens TPM are currently in parliament because they hold Māori seats and the people that voted for them may not find them objectionable and continue to vote for them
    Similarly the Greens, for all their travails remain the most popular of the minor parties.
    
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    July 17, 2024 7:32pm
Swifty

The opposition is infested with buffoons….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/te-pati-maori-calls-for-acts-david-seymour-to-resign-as-associate-health-minister-due-to-his-pharmac-treaty-of-waitangi-stance/LVNJJIA4GBDWNETA3VLX4LOFQA/

Lying, fact-twisting, buffoons.
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July 17, 2024 5:16pm
Maggie Pie

It’s mainly the overweight Blondes that are the butt of jokes.
Why on earth does Katie Bradford feel she needs to say….
“Kia-Ora Simon” everytime she appears on 1Ewes?

Surely just a simple “Good Evening” would be more apropriate.

P*sses me off TBH.
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July 17, 2024 6:22pm
- kowtow
  
  Jack Lame is full of it , standing in for HDPA.
  
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  July 17, 2024 6:27pm
Maggie Pie

Just been watching CNN Newz.
Anyone get the feeling that Donald Trump drives stupid people completely insane?
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- Ghost
  
  Why? If you want to see stupid people just go to the Green Party Facebook or twitter account,
  
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