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Chuck Bird

Just 16 minutes long. I bet Luxon would not watch it or would the Minister of Climate Hysteria.

The Distortion of Climate Data Using ‘Computer Models’ | Facts Matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lseti5zvY0
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July 14, 2024 8:02am
- hookerphil
  
  I wonder how they would distort the -10.3 at Omarama this morning?
  
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  July 14, 2024 8:07am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You are confusing weather with climate
    
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    July 14, 2024 9:50am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Accumulation of weather over time IS climate.
      
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      July 14, 2024 10:02am
      - pdm
        
        DB I agree.
        
        Very little that we do can compete with Nature.
        
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        July 14, 2024 10:07am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes I know what climate is. My point is that pointing to a cold morning as evidence that New Zealand’s climate is not warming is dumb. Maybe I misunderstood the comment.
        
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        July 14, 2024 11:28am
    - judith8409121
      
      as do all the climate believers – but didn’t the great climate believer god Al Gore state that cold weather would be a thing of the past – surely you wouldn’t deny those beliefs? are you a Gore denier?
      
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      July 14, 2024 10:30am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      According to alarmists, climate is only the last 200 or so years (of spotty and shit thermometer records to be manipulated by models extrapolating their shit hypothesis).
      
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      July 14, 2024 5:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Got as far as Al Gore – “600,000 Hiroshima-class atomic bombs exploding everyday on Earth”
  The man is a walking joke. I might watch it later.
  
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  July 14, 2024 9:05am
  - Andrew Worth
    
    I expect Gore’s number is about right.
    600,000 Hiroshima bombs would be around 3.8×10¹⁹J of energy, but the Earth receives (intersects) about 9.3×10²¹J of solar energy each day, about 240 times as much energy as those 600,000 nukes.
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:37am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Amended: Al Gore – “600,000 Hiroshima-class atomic bombs exploding everyday on Earth” in the form of exploding media threads, out of which I make $600,000 every day from trading in the Carbon Trading ~~Con~~ ahem Scheme.
    
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    July 14, 2024 11:43am
- judith8409121
  
  no physicsist of any value could possibly believe the great climate change narrative – its a polictical cult belief whipped up to generate a flow of money into the hands of a few from the taxes of many. The narratve, no matter how stupid it is, works for a wide range of lefites, finger wagers, anti-growth, human haters and has brought them under a single umbrella cult .
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:24am
NeverMindTheBollocks

So, who were the NZ officials who proposed that NZ’s farm vegetation growth should be excluded from the Paris Accord calculations?

These people have and will cost us a treasury of gold. They should be named and shamed.
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July 14, 2024 8:03am
- imalwaysright
  
  Neverm,
  Correct, if plant life is to be included in the calculations then include all of it.
  
  We should be getting payments , not making payments .
  
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  July 14, 2024 8:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pukekohe/Franklin feeds 25% of NZ. Credits here?
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:12am
- Dougal10
  
  Mfat officials are always meddling with their little yes minister agendas. That whole ministry needs a bigger clean out than the MoE which shows how bad it is.
  
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  July 14, 2024 8:29am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    MFAT officials played no part in negotiating the rules to which you refer.
    
    Also having dealt with both MFAT and the Ministry of Education, I can assure you that they are not comparable in the ‘need to be cleaned out’ league table.
    
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    July 14, 2024 9:52am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The rules around emissions from so-called Land Use, land Use Change and Forestry (LULUCF) were settled about 15 years ago during the first commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol.
  
  Those rules are under the auspices of the UNFCCC. They were not up for renegotiation at the Paris Accord discussions.
  
  LULUCF rule negotiations commenced in the late 90s. As I have commented previously, New Zealand played a key part in those negotiations. IIRC they took about 10 years to conclude.
  
  This is not my area of expertise, but AFAIK during those negotiations, no nation suggested that growth in all plants, eg grass, be allowed to count as CO2 offsets. I’ll leave it to the agricultural scientists who read kiwiblog to explain why that is so.🙂
  
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  July 14, 2024 9:01am
  - tavita
    
    I am not an agricultural scientist, but 60 years ago they taught real science in schools. Back then they taught things like the carbon cycle and le Chateliers principle. The basic photosynthesis process is CO2 + H2O + energy => glucose + O2. All plants including grass absorb heat and CO2, Trees use the glucose to grow – a growing tree stores energy and carbon: however when mature the tree is in equilibrium. Grasses, left to themselves reach maturity much faster which maybe why they were excluded – except of course if animals eat the grass, the energy and carbon gets stored in the animals for a lot longer. If there is more CO2 in the air, then by Le Chatelier the photosynthesis reaction absorbs more energy from the sun
    
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    July 14, 2024 11:38am
  - cmm
    
    Well it is broken, so it needs to change.
    
    These rules are accounting rules. They are not linked to scientific reality.
    
    To be slightly flippant, suppose we made a rule that we would say it was raining if we saw more than 3 clouds on any day. All the climate people got together and ratifiedtgat rule. This would then be the rule that all the world’s weather reports were required to use. Then suppose that there was another rule requiring people to wear raincoats on a rainy day. We would all be wearing raincoats all the time.
    
    Yes, that really is how ridiculous this climate nonsense is.
    
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    July 14, 2024 12:41pm
  - I remember when
    
    Wasn’t the point of the Accord to prevent the increase of CO2 and as the grass already existed it didn’t count.
    Same for existing forests, trees, vegetation in general.
    Change is what was to be measured.
    
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    July 15, 2024 9:41am
dave_c_

My oh my !!

After all the ridiculous carry on by Wellington mayor Tory Whanau, and the ridiculous proposal she proffered, she has the gall/cheek to now admit that the current proposal to sell the land is “the right one”.

Just goes to show that we definitely have scraped the bottom of the barrel in our voting for her, and no doubt many of her accolytes.
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July 14, 2024 8:07am
- Steve Todd
  
  For some reason, dave decided not to inform the rest of the country what on earth he was on about.
  
  I think it might be this: https://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=162331#more-162331.
  
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  July 14, 2024 11:32am
Bridgenag

Why the Official AIDS Story is a Complete Crock
The Great Rebranding, 1980s-Style: HIV Was a Sham, Just Like Sars-Cov-2

ANTHONY COLPO

“Right off the bat, nothing made sense about the AIDs charade. It does make sense in hindsight if you view it as a giant test run, an exercise in spreading ‘virus’ hysteria. The HIV/AIDS charade confirmed most people don’t ask questions, and those who do can be quickly shouted over and marginalized as “deniers,” “conspiracists” and menaces to society. It also confirmed that not only could people be convinced to take toxic drugs in response to an overblown ‘pandemic’ scare, but they could be manipulated into rabidly demanding their expedited release.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/anthonycolpo/p/why-the-official-aids-story-is-a?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 14, 2024 8:18am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Interesting theory, bro. Pick on a minority, with immoral behaviours (it’s no coincidence that HIV exploded in the bath house culture of San Francisco), ramp up the public fear and let’s see how it plays out.
  
  But, coincidence is not causation. I wouldn’t read that much into it
  
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  July 14, 2024 8:23am
- imalwaysright
  
  Bridg,
  Good article.
  Fauci is a monster who has for a very long time made a fortune from fear, misery, and death.
  Evil personified.
  
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  July 14, 2024 8:33am
- Benedict Yu
  
  That ranks as one of the most stupid things I have ever read. I can’t quite believe my eyes. It is annoyingly verbose but I think it is saying that HIV does not cause AIDS. Drug use does?
  
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  July 14, 2024 9:07am
  - Philview
    
    Yes a rambling article. I think a lot of the momentum to do something about AIDS came from Hollywood and Governments not so interested until they worried about the political ramifications. At the time celebrities were dying from it and no one knew how contagious it was, hence the hysteria. I don’t think it was any great secret that people with damaged immunity from prior Stds or drug use were more susceptible.
    
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    July 14, 2024 9:35am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Addendum. If another reader disagrees with my reaction, I would very much like to be corrected.
    
    Yes gay men in the 80s San Francisco scene were heavy users of amyl nitrates and other stimulants. That is hardly news. How does the author explain the millions of heterosexual women in Africa who are still dying of AIDS? I can’t imagine many women in Ugandan villages hanging around in gay saunas taking poppers.
    
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    July 14, 2024 9:45am
    - JackRabbit
      
      BY
      
      It is old hat, but the AIDS virus was developed by the same USA govt labs that were involved with the Covid gain of function research.
      
      The AIDS virus was released in WHO smallpox vaccinations in Africa. That is how the Africans got it.
      
      It should ring alarm bells for anyone that a continent of people living off the land for tens of millions of years, and thus have excellent natural immunity, suddenly develop a disease more commonly associated with drugs and unhygienic practices associated with gender bending of the west coast of the USA.
      
      It is part of a long list of medical tyranny., to reduce the population of earth, starting with (as the elite called it) the over eating / under producing sector of the planet.
      
      -Kenyan women sterilized en masses by Tetanus vaccines.
      
      – Indian children dead or paralised by vaccines
      
      – A resurgence of the once eliminated Polio, caused by new “live” Polio vaccines. Even the corrupt WHO admits this new outbreak is worrying, but keep tight lipped about fact that WHO’s biggest private donor is the one who funded and rolled out these new “live” Polio vaccines. And also funded the Kenyan and Indian vaccines.
      
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      July 14, 2024 12:00pm
    - greybeard
      
      “How does the author explain the millions of heterosexual women in Africa who are still dying of AIDS? I can’t imagine many women in Ugandan villages hanging around in gay saunas taking poppers.”
      
      Benedict Yu: How do you know so much about everything, everywhere ?
      
      There is absolutely no need for any of us to contribute to this blog as you seem to know everything about everyone in all of the places and about all of the topics all of the time!
      
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      July 14, 2024 6:39pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Bene: You actually bothered to read it?
    
    AIDS was real alright. Among other things, I remember it for the behaviour of male gays becoming widely known, chiefly their promiscuity.
    
    One victim in SF revealed that he had had 300 sex partners in the previous year – almost one a day. Most of those “partners” were of course fleeting encounters in some bar’s toilet with few or no words exchanged.
    
    NO I am not “homophobic” (stupid word that literally means “frightened of homos” which I have never been) and I can honestly say that my closest friend is a flagrantly gay man who is also Godfather to my children.
    
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    July 14, 2024 9:46am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes David. I read it carefully. What did I get wrong?
      
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      July 14, 2024 9:55am
      - Cassandra
        
        I think DG is implying that the article is a load of rubbish.
        
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        July 14, 2024 10:05am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Just to elaborate. Yes some gay men had sex with hundreds of men. That is why they contracted HIV. I don’t dispute that. What I am questioning is the author’s claim that Aids is caused by something other than HIV.
        
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        July 14, 2024 10:14am
      - Mike
        
        But David Garrett has the ‘friend argument’ –
        https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Friend_argument – so he can blame the AIDS epidemic on promiscuous gay men.
        
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        July 14, 2024 10:26am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Clearly Aids was God’s or the Rothschild’s or the Jew’s or the Illuminati’s, or the Zeta Reticulon’s or the Lizard people’s way of smiting all the wicked sodomites, though with extremely poor precision; given it has killed orders of magnitude more heterosexuals than homosexuals.
        
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        July 14, 2024 10:55am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Thanks I see I misunderstood David’s comment.
        
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        July 14, 2024 11:32am
    - Andrew Worth
      
      I remember the description of one of the people investigating the spread, the gay “bath house” she described had a large area in which a mass orgy was ongoing.
      
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      July 14, 2024 10:45am
- Yvette
  
  Bridgenag, there would seem to be quite a few dead people among the generation-linked families of Italy and France, for example, and the Hawaiian / Pacific Islander communities of Los Angeles who would disagree with what you have reiterated – if they could.
  
  The other point I ponder (but not much) is, If the entire spread of covid was some sort of exercise, to what end was it?
  
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  July 14, 2024 9:34am
NeverMindTheBollocks

So here’s a snapshot of why NZ is going backwards. Iwi rights trump kiwi rights. Imagine where NZ would be if this ruling had applied in the 1840s. No port in Auckland, for example.

While I’m sympathetic for iwi rights, and they absolutely should be appropriately compensated, the fact remains that governments have the right to overrule individual property rights in the public interest. Iwi land rights should be subject to the same wider public interest test as private land rights, no less and no more. It’s not clear that this principle has been applied in this case.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522023/northland-iwi-vindicated-by-rejection-of-plans-for-major-port-expansion-in-whangarei-harbour
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July 14, 2024 8:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It does seem bizarre. It is hard to see how any port expansion would receive consent.
  
  I have travelled in Northland. It is sparsely populated with miles of unspoilt coasts. Why do these folk need to forage for seafood right in the place where the port is to be expanded? They could jump in the car and find other places to forage in a 20 minute drive.
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:01am
  - lifesgood
    
    They won’t need to forage there at all if they are paid out a few million in koha. They’ll just go and forage where they usually do. Bloody sickening.
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:24am
  - Notsofast
    
    See how South Africa and Zimbabwe have fared.
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:41am
  - PurplePen
    
    Forage is such a lovely poetic term and I guess activity. It implies treading lightly and taking little. This might have happened, but maori foraged until the was nothing left and moved on. Hence the lack of moa as one example.
    
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    July 14, 2024 1:56pm
cas

i suggest that there is a wee corner of Eden Park which should be designated a heritage corner.

It’s the corner where England had 2 lineouts last night at the end of the game and couldn’t score from either and it’s the same corner where England had a lineout at the end of the game against the Black Ferns in the Rugby World Cup and couldn’t score either.
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July 14, 2024 8:33am
- Jethrod
  
  Could it be this is the corner where the ashes of past All Blacks get sprinkled ?
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:35am
NeverMindTheBollocks

So, any bets that Reading will get more than the $32m offered by the ratepayers of Wellington through the good and kind offices of Tori Mayor?

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/522074/reading-cinema-site-up-for-sale-after-wellington-city-council-deal-falls-through
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July 14, 2024 8:33am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Don’t know. It will be interesting to see if a developer is interested in a major redevelopment of the site. As it stands, the area has no parking and is full of homeless folk and crime. The capital for such development is highly mobile.
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:04am
  - greybeard
    
    Do you live in Wellington ?
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:11am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I did live there for several years and I visit frequently.
      
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      July 14, 2024 10:15am
- dave_c_
  
  Indeed, you can always rely on publicly elected figures to cock things up, in the most egregious way !
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:06am
MCōs

Another resounding victory to the mighty All Blacks!
#ropeadope
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July 14, 2024 8:40am
- pdm
  
  A second tough and combative test. England did a very good job at shutting the All Blacks attacks down and were competitive for 60/65 minutes. The introduction of Ratima and Barrett changed the game.
  
  Beauden Barrett once again showed his talent and ability to turn a game off the bench. It is his best position as that skill set does not shine very often when he starts. In fact in my opinion he can be very disruptive to a backline when he starts.
  
  I am happy to say he is the best and most influential player off the bench in the modern game.
  
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  July 14, 2024 9:45am
  - Colville
    
    We are really missing a world class line out jumper.
    That and the butcherd try..
    
    Not too bad for a second run new team under a new coach. We will improve.
    
    (and we will need to improve to get close to the Irish)
    
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    July 14, 2024 9:50am
- MCōs
  
  Forty one points scored and there were four tries
  Forty nine points and one try in the South Africa v Ireland game. RSA kicked eight penalties
  
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  July 14, 2024 9:46am
NeverMindTheBollocks

The government’s mining strategy is predictably panned by academics and activists. Do you think that they understand that without income we cannot afford the dead weight of Universities or NFP campaigners; that effectively they are sawing off the branch that they are sitting on?

It would be nice to think that they do; and that they believe in their principles regardless. However, I think that they are oblivious due to their ignorance of economics.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521812/climate-strategy-as-useful-as-teats-on-a-bull-greenpeace-says
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July 14, 2024 8:41am
M.Solvent

The MSM stories in which journalists instantly connect any incident involving a Boeing jet as a fault caused by Boeing are constant. It has almost become a new genre of news. The latest one is about a Latam 777 that had a tail strike on takeoff out of Milan.

One of the key features of the genre is a line that says “While the cause of the [insert incident] is at this stage undetermined, it comes at a time when Boeing is under heavy scrutiny after making several serious errors.”.

A tail strike is much more likely to be caused by pilot error or poorly loaded cargo than a manufacturing or design problem, but of course this is omitted from the article.

The aim of the story is not to report on the facts of the incident or the likely cause, but to build a saga that will run through media stories on an ongoing basis. Par for the course when reading the MSM.
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July 14, 2024 8:48am
- Paulus
  
  Bet the Airbus people like everything they see and hear about Boeing !
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Agree. Watched the video. It is a spectacular tail strike. The black box will reveal all. However it is most unlikely to be a problem with the aircraft.
  
  Journalists and aviation don’t mix. 😅
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:41am
  - Andrew Worth
    
    “Journalists and aviation”
    Or journalists and: science, politics, medicine, history . . .
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:49am
- NothingLeft
  
  with 100000 commercial jet flights per day, there will of course be a small number of mechanical faults that occur. In the past they were mostly unreported (excepting major’s like engine failures that are almost always survivable anyway). But now media have decided to chase the clicks with anxiety disorder sufferers feeding them every little minor incident as headline news. Ignoring the fact that aircraft are designed to be highly fault tolerant in their designs to create high levels of safety. Takes something really extreme to bring down a plane
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:58am
  - Paulus
    
    Invariably Pilot Errors.
    Some years ago I was involve with Insurance of much of the countries local aircraft, and that invariably at the end of the investigations, we found Pilot error and often in the case of those with many flying hours, but New Zealand weather conditions sometimes did not help.
    Local weather conditions can be very fickle.
    
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    July 14, 2024 1:44pm
MCōs

Immigrants in the south of Spain
https://x.com/bladeofthes/status/1812114129240330325?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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July 14, 2024 8:59am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Proddies marching in a Catholic Country Celebrating a Proddie Victory.
  
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  July 14, 2024 9:15am
  - MCōs
    
    Northern Irish Orangemen going elsewhere to get away from the animosity and taking it all with them.
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:13am
    - Mike
      
      Got to be the most permanently angry sub-tribe in the British Isles.
      
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      July 14, 2024 10:30am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Interesting MCos, but stupid. Of course, they are all bloody “I’m on me oly dee” types rather than immigrants. Having been in Spain since the beginning of May and avoiding all the places where the British holiday makers go, we’ve still managed to run into groups of people like this. By the way, a good few of the Brits who do shift permanently to Spain, learn the language and integrate. When in Gibraltar, I spoke to a good few who work in Gib, and live in Spain with Spanish passports.
  
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  July 14, 2024 9:46am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Democrats still giving Joe more rope. He is going to be hung by his own Party.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/biden-s-meeting-with-democrats-turns-into-disaster/ar-BB1pTfDO?
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July 14, 2024 9:09am
- Inandout
  
  SO, Jill has been around the swamp long enough to know where the bodies are buried and will hold out until the end. In the meantime the MSM are turning themselves inside out watching the Dems convulse.
  
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  July 14, 2024 9:27am
  - pdm
    
    I&O. My impression is that Jill likes being `Mrs President’ more tha a bit too much.
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Vice President Trump??
  
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  July 14, 2024 9:31am
- Paulus
  
  Or is this in part of the Democrat scheme whereby they appoint a totally new person closer to the election (like Labour and Ardern did ) and the media can then capitalise on it.
  Current Vice president remaining by the “understanding of the Party” sic.
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:22am
- Notsofast
  
  Joe still favorite at 5 to 4 for democratic nominee.
  Ladbrokes.
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:43am
  - Notsofast
    
    Actually 4 to 5.
    
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    July 14, 2024 12:35pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie from Mass just sent this to me…..

OMG that RED is such a hoot!

Meet ‘Road-Cone-Rosie’ 😀 😀 😀

https://x.com/TheRedbaiter/status/1811580535480943013

(the comments are absolute GOLD)
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July 14, 2024 9:51am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t find him a hoot. I find him depressingly negative with anger management issues.
  
  This is yet another example. He is calling on the government to sack the NZTA chief executive. It has no power to do so. So why ask for it?
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:10am
- David Garrett
  
  Slow morning up here in the Kingdom…so I will try once again to explain why you can only have ONE “bestie” – short of course for “best friend”.
  
  “Best” is a superlative, as are “tallest” “fattest” “longest” etc.
  
  Just as there can only be one “tallest building in Auckland” or “fattest woman in the group”, you can only have ONE “best friend”.
  
  When you use the somewhat childish word “bestie” you really mean “one of my closest” friends”.
  
  I hope that helps
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:13am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes I agree David. Some quick research reveals that the language has not yet evolved to allow more than a single “bestie”. The only explanation might be that Maggie is misspelling “beastie” which is slang for ‘a friend who is especially cool’.
    
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beastie
    
    You can have several beasties but only one bestie, as you have helpfully pointed out.
    
    Of course “beastie” is also Scottish slang for a small rodent such as a mouse. However I do not think that Maggie is using the word with that meaning.
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:28am
    - Jethrod
      
      So what then is a group of “besties”? Could be “betters”? But that would imply superiority.
      
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      July 14, 2024 10:43am
- pdm
  
  I thought it was very good but I cannot access the comments because I don’t do Twitter.
  
  The previous `Worksafe’ position of `Road Cone Rosie’ may explain her apparent obsession with the frustrating cone mania.
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:17am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Can someone explain this?
    
    Road needs to be resurfaced. The old surface is removed. The road is then covered with loose gravel. However the job is not finished. At that point the road cones are left in place with a 30 speed limit. Eventually the job is finished but it can take several weeks before the crew returns. What should be a two day job stretches into several weeks. Meanwhile cars are crawling at 30 kmh. You also deal with idiots who fly at you doing 80 and throwing up showers of stones.
    
    The other thing that is odd is road work sites where one guy is working a shovel. One guy is driving a grader. And five guys are standing in a group watching proceedings. 😅
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:37am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Yet the world and road maintenance operations managed to function just fine in the time before the invasion of the cone people.
      
      Travel anywhere else in the world and the ridiculous extremism of NZ’s road work management rules sticks out like dog’s balls. It has enormous costs, and is a major hinderance to having roads that are maintained properly – possible even to the point that it is making the road network less safe due to the sapping of resources on this useless activity the lead to less work being done on real safety improvement.
      
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      July 14, 2024 11:08am
Chuck Bird

Secret service rush Trump off stage.
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July 14, 2024 10:22am
- Don Beckett
  
  link ?
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:25am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Here’s the link – doesn’t say whether Trump was hit.
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/14/donald-trump-rushed-off-stage-at-us-rally-shots-reported/
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:31am
    - surfing
      
      He was hit, see the video, hit him in the ear.
      
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13631849/Donald-Trump-shots-fired-Pennsylvania.html
      
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      July 14, 2024 10:32am
    - David Garrett
      
      Don: Reports of “blood running down his face”, but that could easily have happened when the SS men pulled him down.
      
      If he was able to give his trademark “black power” closed fist salute it’s most unlikely that he was what hit…and if it he was it would be superficial.
      
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      July 14, 2024 10:34am
      - surfing
        
        To me, it looks like he was hit in the ear by a bullet, then he grabs his ear to see what happened, looks a bit shocked for a second or two, then the secret service take him down to the ground.
        
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        July 14, 2024 10:38am
      - Don Beckett
        
        “trademark ‘black power’ closed fist salute”
        Bwahahaha (snigger)
        
        Yes David, we know your opinion of Trump. 😆
        
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        July 14, 2024 10:46am
      - Redapplefalls
        
        He grasped the side of his head before he took cover behind the lectern. Looks like an assassination attempt. The logical end point of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
        
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        July 14, 2024 10:52am
      - David Garrett
        
        Don: You may not be old enough to recognise a closed fist salute as the symbol of “black power” – NOT the gang of thugs in NZ, but a movement among what were then known as “blacks” in the US, which began in the late 60’s.
        
        It caused great controversy at the 1968 Olympic games…indeed if you Google “1968 Olympic…” the first “hit” is a story about said salute by a US black athlete medal winner.
        
        Happy to help increase your general knowledge.
        
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        July 14, 2024 10:52am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Its older than that David
        It goes back to the Spanish Republic and became a symbol against Global Oppression
        Many groups have used it over the years
        https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/history-of-raised-fist-global-symbol-fighting-oppression
        
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        July 14, 2024 10:58am
      - Don Beckett
        
        DG @ 10.52.
        Yes David, I do recall those years. At 82, I think I may be a tad older than you 🙂
        Anyway, I enjoy your commenting & experiences, even if you do hold some – shall we say – solid views, but mostly I agree with you. 🙂
        
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        July 14, 2024 11:30am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      He puts his hand up to his ear very fast and ducks as if something came close to his head. I wonder if he actually got nicked and that’s where the blood came from?
      
      I’ve been expecting this for a while. If you go around talking about how Trump is a “Threat to democracy” and “Hitler”, well….. what wouldn’t your followers do to stop him?
      
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      July 14, 2024 10:39am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Oh, and that photo?
        
        Remind you of anything?
        
        I think the Democrats just elected Trump as the 47th President of the USA.
        
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        July 14, 2024 11:11am
      - blue collar
        
        Only way dems can win .
        Major false flag on USA soil
        Nuclear war on foreign soil
        Forgot about assassination yesterday
        Gonna get worse pre election .
        Carn trump , win and unleash on these pricks
        
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        July 14, 2024 11:19am
      - Redapplefalls
        
        The Iwo Jima photo came straight to my mind too. Electoral dynamite… if he’s allowed to survive that long.
        
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        July 14, 2024 11:21am
      - Paulus
        
        Obviously the shooter should have gone to Spec Saver first !
        
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        July 14, 2024 1:48pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Fox
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    https://abc7chicago.com/post/donald-trump-escorted-off-stage-secret-service-during/15056992/
    
    https://deadline.com/2024/07/trump-rushed-of-stage-rally-1236009551/
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:35am
- Raphael
  
  https://x.com/TaylerUSA/status/1812249561949442301?t=owL-_Of5YylDjyoYjT3h9A&s=09
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:46am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Looks like he was shot in the ear
    That’s a close call
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:50am
    - Ghost
      
      No no no, apparently this can’t happen since jfk…..
      
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      July 14, 2024 10:51am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol
        
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        July 14, 2024 10:53am
      - Colville
        
        From the pic I saw it looks like a bit is missing from the top of his ear!
        
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        July 14, 2024 11:01am
    - Mike
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Is his hair ok?
      
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      July 14, 2024 10:54am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Jerk. No need for that sort of shit Mike.
        
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        July 14, 2024 11:07am
      - Hugh Jarse
        
        Making light of someone getting injured when there has been an attempt on his life, a lovely advertisement for the left wing.
        
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        July 14, 2024 11:15am
      - Mike
        
        Lighten up.
        
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        July 14, 2024 11:23am
      - mawm
        
        Mike – you do your far left outlook no good with this infantile, but yet nasty, attack on Trump. You really just could not hold back.
        
        The left are mentally sick; study after study shows that this is where they congregate.
        
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        July 14, 2024 11:52am
      - Hugh Jarse
        
        Hi Mike, just to let you know I won’t be taking any notice of your direction because I don’t think the near death of someone else is funny.
        
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        July 14, 2024 1:09pm
      - Raphael
        
        to be fair to Mike. just listened to Donald Trump Jr in an interview with Michael Knowles and he commented that once the adrenaline wore off, he did make the same joke about the hair to his dad (who replied it was fine, but had some blood in it)
        
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        July 17, 2024 12:59pm
- Raphael
  
  https://apnews.com/article/trump-vp-vance-rubio-7c7ba6b99b5f38d2d840ed95b2fdc3e5
  
  The contrast of Trump standing firm with blood on his face after being shot at still vs Biden who can’t speak a sentence has just sealed this election.
  
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  July 14, 2024 10:48am
  - surfing
    
    The shooter was taken down before Trump was bustled off the stage.
    
    The details of the shooter could decide the US election.
    
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    July 14, 2024 10:52am
    - Colville
      
      This will certainly bring out moderate GOP voters in droves.
      
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      July 14, 2024 11:08am
      - mawm
        
        Collectively 10 million with a hunting licence and/or gun owners are not registered to vote. This might get them out to register and vote. I guess it would not likely be for Biden.
        https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2024/07/12/report-10-million-gun-owners-hunters-not-registered-vote/
        
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        July 14, 2024 11:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sky UK saying two dead and one critically injured.
      
      https://news.sky.com/story/trump-shooting-latest-bloodied-trump-shouts-fight-as-hes-rushed-off-stage-secret-service-release-statement-13177655
      
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      July 14, 2024 11:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  SS very quick to move, then heavily armed SS or Guards making the media back off.
  Later the National Guard have a quick look then disappear.
  
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  July 14, 2024 11:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Media at their fake news already. CNN saying Trump fell to the ground. He didn’t, he crouched down.
    
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    July 14, 2024 11:12am
Maggie Pie

OUR-BEST-PM-EVER!!

Even people meeting ‘Sweet Swinging Chris’ for the FIRST TIME
has them wanting to move here 😀

https://x.com/FightinHydrant/status/1811836494220525809
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July 14, 2024 10:28am
surfing

Wow, Trump shot!
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July 14, 2024 10:29am
softail 1450

Getting shot will only make 45 dig in further.
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July 14, 2024 10:49am
Hugh Jarse

While no fan of Trump, if this was an attempt on his life, the election outcome has just been decided.
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July 14, 2024 10:52am
- blue collar
  
  Correct . Will boost polling
  Can’t see how it wasn’t an attempt on his life
  
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  July 14, 2024 11:21am
  - kevn
    
    bc… Appears so.
    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1812266661866778786?
    
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    July 14, 2024 11:36am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    It was still murky when I posted.
    
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    July 14, 2024 11:46am
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons Trumpy will have REAL street cred now.
Nothing will stop him from becoming Prez.
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July 14, 2024 11:20am
blue collar

Dems must be fuming
They’ve tried Russia gate
Rape gate
Finance gate
Media gate
Racism gate
Far right gate
Wife gate
Even orange man bad and hair gate
Now add failed assassination

What’s next ?
The biggest smear in history has failed .
Assassination failed
Only one option left
Stop the election

How will they do that ?
Be scared people . Nothing is off the cards . Whatever they try will make the twin towers look like a kindy jenga exercise
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July 14, 2024 11:27am
- Ghost
  
  Next will be dealing with the Biden problem. It will look natural…….
  
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  July 14, 2024 11:33am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Oh, Ghost. You have definitely crossed over to the other side.
    
    You used to be reasonable, sensible. What happened to you?
    
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    July 14, 2024 12:04pm
    - Ghost
      
      Oh here’s Steve, the person who said what happened today couldn’t happen. And yet, here you are, wrong. Care to admit that
      
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      July 14, 2024 12:09pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Yep. Fair point, which, obviously, I knew you would come back at me with.
        
        The difference is, you intimated that it will be an inside job.
        
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        July 14, 2024 12:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Todd
        “The difference is, you intimated that it will be an inside job.”
        JULY 14, 2024 12:18PM
        
        This is what Ghost said;
        Ghost
        “My money, he or rfk shot but survive at a rally”
        JULY 13, 2024 11:13AM
        Ghost
        “Actually nothing is impossible. Did you think it was impossible for Reagan to get shot as well?
        Let’s look at Japan, did you also think there that it was impossible for Shinzo Abe To be shot?
        Nothing is impossible and it stupid actually think it is”
        JULY 13, 2024 2:08PM
        Ghost
        “Nothing is impossible. I’m sure you know that at a rally in 2016 someone grabbed a cops gun at a trump rally. It’s only that the officer overpowered that person that it ended well. I’m sure you also know that rfk jr has been given no secret service protection.”
        JULY 13, 2024 2:51PM
        
        Telling lies now Todd?
        LOL
        
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        July 14, 2024 12:34pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @All_on_Red @ 12.34PM
        
        Oh, dear, All_on_Red, what on earth are you on?
        
        ‘Todd’ now? Ha, ha. Talk about triggered.
        
        I clearly responded to Ghost’s comment, “It will look natural….…[.]”
        
        For goodness sake, please crawl back into your basement, and give us all a break.
        
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        July 14, 2024 12:54pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Perhaps you should take your own advice.
        You cant even admit you are wrong.
        You misrepresented what Ghost said too. (Thats a polite way of saying you lied)
        Sad little chap arent you
        
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        July 14, 2024 1:05pm
  - blue collar
    
    I think you’re right brother ghost .
    Deep state and dems want Biden gone .
    He won’t go
    Best political capital is to frame a trump supporter
    
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    July 14, 2024 2:59pm
- mawm
  
  Blue – I agree with all except the first 2 lines – the Dems are controlled. The Intelligence-military-industrial-financial complex must have lots to hide.
  
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  July 14, 2024 12:04pm
  - blue collar
    
    Totally agree brother mawm .
    The dems allow and promote it .
    The interests scared of trump do the work . And not necessarily whole departments .
    Just rogue elements protected (by the Oval Office ) .
    CIA , DOJ ,FBI , MIC institutions , finance , media , foreign states , local saboteurs and hit men .
    there’s a lot of money at stake if trump wins and shuts down Ukraine .
    MIC miss out , finance money laundering avenue dries up .
    They will do anything to stop it if the dems allow them to get away with it …. And they are giving a big green light
    The Oval Office has the power to investigate and prevent most things if its departments are used properly .
    I’d be shit scared if I was RFK jnr
    
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    July 14, 2024 2:32pm
- NothingLeft
  
  No need to stop the election when they’ve set up mail in ballot, fake voter registration and compromised electronic ballot counting systems processes in critical battleground states to allow them to cheat on a colossal scale.
  
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  July 14, 2024 1:15pm
kevn

CNNs take on it…
https://x.com/redsteeze/status/1812259238049157514?
‘Trump falls’… yeh right.
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July 14, 2024 11:45am
- rouppe
  
  They also captioned the photo of him grabbing at his right ear as “reacts after shots are fired”, not “reacts to being grazed by a bullet”
  
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  July 14, 2024 2:05pm
  - Ghost
    
    It was a developing story that no one really knew what was going on with. It did look like he touched his ear and fell. CNN changed it to he was shot
    
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    July 14, 2024 2:19pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Why give those creeps any oxygen?
  
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  July 14, 2024 5:39pm
blue collar

Seems more and more like trumps SS infiltrated.

Despite warnings from witnesses watching him crawl into position , they refused to kill the shooter until after he fired his shot (s)

Next step eliminate the patsy .
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July 14, 2024 2:12pm
blue collar

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1812265909727396107?s=46

This interview after from witness .
Wahay ! Finally worked out how to link 😁

Smells really bad .
Inside job from some of trumps SS
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July 14, 2024 2:16pm
- NothingLeft
  
  never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.
  
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  July 14, 2024 2:56pm
NZer In Exile

Just listened to the audiobook “Nuclear War: A Scenario” by Annie Jacobsen.

A highly recommended reality check especially in regards the Ukraine situation.

If you have Spotify Premium, listening to it is included in your monthly fee. I believe it’s available on other audiobook platforms too.
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July 14, 2024 5:37pm
- Ghost
  
  Her interview with Shawn was interesting
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_06wReNbk-g
  
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  July 14, 2024 5:48pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yes strangely that interview won’t play on my antennapod or spotify. Looking at the error log, I suspect invasive user-tracking has been deployed on his podcasts (looks like The Daily Wire now has that also).
    
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    July 14, 2024 6:00pm
    - Ghost
      
      How about
      
      https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-shawn-ryan-show-110322139/episode/120-annie-jacobsen-nuclear-armageddon-193354449/
      
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      July 14, 2024 6:12pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Probably will play if I go “naked on the internet” . Doesn’t with surveillance-complex shields active.
        
        I have ways of listening anyway.
        
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        July 14, 2024 6:32pm

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