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Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: Spaghetti Season
and other odd happenings.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-spaghetti-season?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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July 13, 2024 8:08am
Tomtoddy

More of the rug under Sleepy, Stuttering Joe is getting pulled from under him. Several stalwarts – Schumer, Pelosi, senators of important states, have all pulled back from unconditional support. The inner support team in the White House is shrinking. The problem is they really cannot get rid of him. If he and Dr Jill dig in and flatly refuse to leave it becomes almost impossible to think how he will go. Joe is making it very difficult to leave a back door open to escape if the strongest of his supporters. Obamas, Clintons, etc walk away. He is going to end up either having to go or losing heavily to Trump. Not much of a legacy.

The scary thing for thinking Americans is that Kamala is a possible front runner. She is a walking disaster and we only see the best side of her. Pretty boy Newsom does not seem to be favoured very widely. Democrats are in a very tight corner.
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July 13, 2024 8:11am
- Cantabrian
  
  And let’s not forget that one of the Democrats fearmongering claims is that Trump would refuse to go when he came to the end of his term!
  
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  July 13, 2024 8:21am
  - Mike
    
    Well, he did try.
    
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    July 13, 2024 9:07am
  - nathie
    
    Good point. And nowadays we have Dr Jill refusing the calls for Joe to leave!
    
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    July 13, 2024 9:37am
- Philview
  
  Interesting that the media are promoting polls that Hillary Clinton would beat Trump. Has Biden been shafted? I was curious to read that Biden was reading a teleprompter when he made the Putin-Zelensky gaffe. What if someone deliberately manipulated that teleprompter? We know he is past it but he was also past it last year.
  
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  July 13, 2024 8:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is looking more likely that Hillary will make an appearance.
    I think she is the Dems best chance.
    
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    July 13, 2024 9:13am
    - Scott
      
      Steve – Hillary is the best chance? 🤔
      
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      July 13, 2024 9:51am
    - blue collar
      
      Dunno steveo
      Seems the dems best chance is delay the election . This will require an enormous false flag event on home soil .
      Or nuclear war on foreign soil
      Those scumbags will try anything
      
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      July 13, 2024 9:55am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Trump assassination is a possibility. They are desperate.
        
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        July 13, 2024 11:07am
      - Ghost
        
        My money, he or rfk shot but survive at a rally
        
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        July 13, 2024 11:13am
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Ghost @ 11:13AM
        
        Ghost, associating yourself with Steve Otto(North Shore)’s repeated fantasy that Trump might be assassinated? Shame on you. I had you down as being way better than that.
        
        In this day and age, post the JFK assassination, it is nigh on impossible for a US president to be murdered — thank goodness. Even an opportunist Hinckley-style attempt would be extremely unlikely.
        
        As I have said previously, I have no idea how the run-up to November 5 will play out, but, I am supremely confidant that all the relevant actors will get to play their parts, right through to January 20.
        
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        July 13, 2024 1:40pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        It’s never been easier. Look at Ukrainian drone tech. $500 for a 20km range FPV murderbot. It’s fantasy to think the secrete service can defend against that.
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:00pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Steve Todd
        
        In this day and age, post the JFK assassination, it is nigh on impossible for a US president to be murdered.
        
        Could you please list the several hundred ways you believe a US president could be murdered, and the reasons why it is impossible for each one?
        
        Even an opportunist Hinckley-style attempt would be extremely unlikely.
        
        Why?
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:03pm
      - Ghost
        
        Actually nothing is impossible. Did you think it was impossible for Reagan to get shot as well?
        
        Let’s look at Japan, did you also think there that it was impossible for Shinzo Abe To be shot?
        
        Nothing is impossible and it stupid actually think it is
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:08pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Ghost @ 2:08PM
        
        Of course nothing is impossible, but, as I said, today “it is nigh on impossible”, despite NothingLeft’s fantasy.
        
        Re: Reagan, I addressed that by referring to a “Hinckley-style” attempt.
        
        The Secret Service doesn’t protect the prime minister of Japan.
        
        Ghost, I realise you had to come back at me, but what I’m saying to you, is that a person of your obvious intelligence and knowledge, knowing that the assassination of a former US president, now campaigning for a second term, is almost impossible, should not even go there.
        
        I say again, you are better than that. Leave that sort of nonsense to Kiwiblog’s resident tuff guy and right-wing fantasist, Steve Otto(North Shore).
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:44pm
      - Ghost
        
        Nothing is impossible. I’m sure you know that at a rally in 2016 someone grabbed a cops gun at a trump rally. It’s only that the officer overpowered that person that it ended well. I’m sure you also know that rfk jr has been given no secret service protection.
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:51pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “Seems the dems best chance is delay the election”
        
        Oh, get a grip. Shifting election dates around is a feature (or bug) of parliamentary systems like ours.
        
        There is nothing Congress can do to materially affect the ending of one administration and the formation of a new one.
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:53pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @JackRabbit @ 2:03PM
        
        Sorry, JackRabbit: not going there.
        
        Were I to turn your comment around, and ask you the reverse questions, would you respond? Of course you wouldn’t.
        
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        July 13, 2024 3:01pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Ghost @ 2:51PM
        
        Ghost: thrash about as much as you like. I’ve had my say.
        
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        July 13, 2024 3:36pm
      - Ghost
        
        Thrashing about? Right so showing things have happened before is thrashing about. My god you really do come off as a child throwing a tantrum stamping their feet when a conversation doesn’t go how you deem it needs to
        
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        July 13, 2024 3:53pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Steve Todd 3.01pm
        
        Were I to turn your comment around, and ask you the reverse questions, would you respond? Of course you wouldn’t.
        
        In one early class at primary school we were asked to write and given adequate time to complete, an essay entitled “Getting away with the perfect crime.” These essays were collected and later anonymously read out to class by the teacher.
        
        My crime was considered boring as it did not the involve loss of life, injury, or loss of private property. It was hard wired into my DNA that you do not take lives or make people suffer.
        
        Personally I was horrified how many of my classmates “perfect crimes” involved shooting and killing, and blowing people up in the course of committing the perfect crime.
        
        My mother, a ex teacher, was horrified about the essay title.
        
        On the other hand, our teacher was very very attractive, intelligent, well traveled overseas, including the usual places, but also places like Europe, Arabia, USA, and lots of jewellery and bling to prove it. (it did beg the question, where does a primary school teacher in the 1960’s get that much money?)
        
        She had also got us to write other essays such as “Describe what your future will be like as an adult – goals ambitions etc” She was always getting us to think.
        
        However she was only with us for one term. I later reflected that maybe she was a psychoanalyst, there as an experiment, to screen which children would grow up to be monsters.
        
        Having put a lot of thought into that essay, I realised that we lived in a world that is safe only because of limited evil, and an enormous amount of trust.
        
        Almost any negative act against anyone is possible. It is just a matter of :
        
        [1] Whether there is sufficient motivation to do so;
        
        [2] Whether it will achieve the intended outcome, which in politics is often not always the observed outcome;
        
        [3] Whether you want to remain anonymous, and not be traced back to you or your cronies;
        
        [4] Want the blame to fall on someone else, to avoid an investigation into background issues and motives…
        
        Killing JFK cold have been accomplished a dozen other more convenient ways, but the “lone wolf” narrative was best, as it did not implicate the real perpetrators and the CIA in any way. That technique is well honed and has been used in very public cases.
        
        If you remove the constraints of being discovered, killed in the process, not limiting death to the target in question, then the possibilities are endless.
        
        For example you could fund a proxy war in another country against a stated “enemy” that has nuclear capability, blow their oil pipelines, impost sanctions and drop a small nuke on them and provoke them into launching nukes against the USA which takes out 50 million people, the president being one… No wait.
        
        Or perhaps target a person with a DNA weapon with disguised as a vaccine, and later use specific DNA targeting to induce death, or threat of death to blackmail them. For that to occur a person would have had to be committed to a hospital sick with some mysterious disease and the rest is just child’s play. No wait, Trump was admitted…
        
        Technology has developed far far beyond what most people know. It is a constant game of cat and mouse, and that is assuming that everyone on the (trump) team, is actually on the team, with 125% loyalty, however history tells us otherwise.
        
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        July 13, 2024 4:24pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @JackRabbit @ 4:24PM
        
        This is a courtesy response.
        
        Thank you for taking the time to educate me in “the ways of the world.”
        
        Your commentary, from the ‘JFK’ paragraph, onwards, makes for interesting reading, but how likely is an assassination attempt on Trump before the election? I say, it is infinitesimal.
        
        I say one last time: I am disappointed that Ghost bought into Steve Otto(North Shore)’s assassination fantasy.
        
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        July 13, 2024 5:34pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Steve Todd
        
        Thanks.
        
        Perhaps you are right. Assassination would be far too obvious. Easier to use another pandemic, lockdown, escalating war, terrorist attack, nuclear war threat, heart attack, organ failure, 180° flip in his policies etc.
        
        Using projectile weapons is kinda getting out of date.
        
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        July 13, 2024 6:49pm
    - Paulus
      
      Best chance for a sounding Democrat thrashing.
      
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      July 13, 2024 12:03pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They are saying polls have Clinton and The laughing hyena beating Trump, yet like Labour’s internal polls here you never ever see them. They had polls with 5 candidates against Trump, Trump was leading them all, Newsome the great greasy hope, was right back with Biden
    
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    July 13, 2024 12:06pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    “What if someone deliberately manipulated that teleprompter?”
    Why would you bother ?
    
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    July 13, 2024 12:52pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      “What if someone deliberately manipulated that teleprompter?”
      Why would you bother ?
      
      You mean rip away control from Obama. And turn off Biden’s subcutaneous audio implants that Obama uses.
      
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      July 13, 2024 4:31pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    “What if someone deliberately manipulated that teleprompter?”
    
    You mean take away control from Obama?
    
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    July 13, 2024 2:06pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  “Pretty boy Newsom does not seem to be favoured very widely.”
  
  Luxon made a point of going to Ca meet him.
  
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  July 13, 2024 8:40am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Good. California has an economy 10 times the size of New Zealand. Are you suggesting that Chris Luxon should not meet the Governor of the largest state in the Union?
    
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    July 13, 2024 8:48am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I suggest it’s bigger than that, California is equal with the 10th largest economy in the world, I suggest that is well in excess of 10 times larger
      
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      July 13, 2024 12:39pm
      - Jack5
        
        California’s state economy is the fifth biggest in the world when measured against nations. It’s between the GDP’s of Japan and India.
        
        However, it’s only about the fourth biggest of the USA states in GDP per capita.
        
        On 2022 figures, California’s GDP seems to be about 15.7 times that of NZ, but its GDP per capita is just slightly more than twice that of NZ’s.
        
        In area, Alaska and Texas are larger than California, but California still has one and a half times the land area of NZ.
        
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        July 13, 2024 1:21pm
  - greybeard
    
    California is a source of investment capital and that is what Luxon is chasing, for NZ’s PPP infrastructure program.
    
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    July 13, 2024 8:50am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It is a great idea. Sure we would all like to drive on first world roads without paying tolls. However the last government flushed 100 billion down the toilet. I’d rather pay tolls than have no roads.
      
      Also, a massive road building programme is at least one thing a future ethno-communist government cannot take away, provided that the roads are well under way.
      
      Also Julie Ann Genter is losing her mind daily over the Government’s transport policies.
      
      https://x.com/JulieAnneGenter/status/1809050018789364082?t=SJvF6Vu3312IKjYPLo3OtA&s=19
      
      It provides me with minor daily entertainment.😀
      
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      July 13, 2024 9:00am
      - pdm
        
        By has anyone told JAG that is what New Zealanders voted for in October last year?
        
        Mind you I doubt she would comprehend it if she was told.
        
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        July 13, 2024 9:13am
      - AitchW
        
        JAG is an addled Green who is so ideologically blinded by her Green Party kaupapa that the mere mention of new roads sends her and her bike into a tailspin.
        Ill informed, close minded and irrelevant.
        
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        July 13, 2024 9:19am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        “I’d rather pay tolls than have no roads.”
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        “Also, a massive road building programme is at least one thing a future ethno-communist government cannot take away, provided that the roads are well under way.”
        
        Careful about what you might wish for BY 🙂
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/northland-iwi-says-roadblocks-show-importance-of-partnership-between-government-iwi.html
        
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        July 13, 2024 9:37am
      - rouppe
        
        Wasn’t it California that commissioned the high speed rail link between LA and and SF.
        
        That is an unmitigated disaster?
        
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        July 13, 2024 10:10am
      - AitchW
        
        Rouppe, replace “high speed rail” with Kiwibuild or Auckland light rail or Cook strait ferries or lifting kids out of poverty or a billion trees and it could be about the last Labour clown show….
        
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        July 13, 2024 10:27am
      - John Loveridge
        
        There wasn’t much of a mind to lose, Benedict. She’s always been a bit unhinged.
        
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        July 13, 2024 10:34am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Although I live in Dunedin I have travelled, we have used the Northern motorway out of Auckland, it’s tolled. The cost last time was $2.40 each way, it’s not compulsory to use the new triad, you can still go the old way, but it’s 20 mins longer, I am sure I don’t have to do the math for you which is cheaper, as I have to point out to bitter lefties
        
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        July 13, 2024 12:38pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Also, a massive road building programme is at least one thing a future ethno-communist government cannot take away,”
        
        Remember it’s not their money so cancelling/abandoning multi billion dollar projects is a fun game for them.
        
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        July 13, 2024 3:00pm
    - Close Hen Counters
      
      That’s sounds great – I was initially disappointed that he had met with newsome as Californian friends who don’t vote dems say he is a train wreck. I think I read somewhere our PM threw a baseball – my son and rooster are at Fenway park packed stadium Red Sox vs Kansas city. Son throwing over there to hopefully get baseball scholarship to uni 🤞
      
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      July 13, 2024 12:29pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    He went to see Ted Cruz.
    
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    July 13, 2024 9:06am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes senator for Florida
      
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      July 13, 2024 12:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Cruz is a Senator for Texas
        Are you thinking of Marco Rubio, who is from Florida and is a potential pick for VP?
        
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        July 13, 2024 1:06pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Rubio cannot be Trump’s VP because they both live in Florida -the VP has to be from a different state.
        
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        July 13, 2024 1:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sorry Don
        Thats not true
        https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/president-vp-different-states/
        https://www.history.com/news/can-the-president-and-vice-president-be-from-the-same-state
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:00pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        All on Red
        
        Yes sorry you are correct
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:04pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        I stand corrected. Seems to be a very common misunderstanding, even in the USA. Thanks.
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:57pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No worries
        To be fair it is generally accepted that it is better to have P and VP from different States and by doing so provide a mix of representation.
        The other VP picks I saw where Rubio was mentioned was Doug Burgum (Gov of Nth Dakota- very smart guy) and JD Vance (Senator for Ohio).
        Burgum was favourite and Rubio last. Burgum would make a good President to succeed Trump.
        
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        July 13, 2024 3:41pm
  - Simon
    
    Newsom to Luxon. Dont worry if your shitlib policies drive people out of NZ like here in CA you can always import from the third world.
    
    Luxon. Yeah I know that thanks.
    
    Newsom got a bad reaction to one of his vaxx shots had to hide for a week. Not sure if he is boosted but despite the vaxx injury is still a believer.
    
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    July 13, 2024 9:07am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Not sure if he is boosted but despite the vaxx injury is still a believer.”
      
      You seem determined to find correlation between covid vaccination and all views of people with who you disagree. Are you going to keep this up for years to come?
      
      I have had 6 covid shots. I expect that I will have a seventh in May 2025 and one annually for at least the next decade. I have never had COVID and I do not expect to get it. However, if I do, I will be unlikely to become seriously ill. I know this because I understand the overwhelming evidence of lower all cause mortality in those who have received the COVID vaccines and maintained annual boosters.
      
      Historians will investigate for the next few decades why COVID vaccines caused so many people like you to lose all rationality. IMO the principal cause was the mandates, which of course were wrong. However, even without the mandates, there would have been opposition, fuelled by irrational opposition to science.
      
      It is not unrelated that we have an emerging tragedy in New Zealand where 1 in 4 parents have decided to risk the lives of their children by not allowing them to have routine childhood vaccinations. This is criminal parental negligence.
      
      The madness of paranoia about covid vaccines is one of the reasons that I am so opposed to Mātauranga Māori being given the status of “science”. There are already too many barriers to rational thinking. We don’t need another one.
      
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      July 13, 2024 9:55am
      - newview
        
        Agree 100% BY
        
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        July 13, 2024 10:13am
      - Damocles11
        
        Well said. Fanatical devotion to Trump, and incessant raving about ‘the vaccine’, are the tell-tale two signs of absolute idiocy IMO. Invariably they are the kind of people who think Q Anon is sending us messages foretelling the future, or that elite paedophilic blood-drinking jewish reptilian NWO satanists run the world.
        
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        July 13, 2024 11:15am
      - Surely Knott
        
        I had only one covid vax under coercion many years ago, and also have never had Covid. But my singular personal experience, like yours, is not proof of the effectiveness of the vaccine.
        
        However, if I do get covid, I will be unlikely to become seriously ill because it is not a serious illness.
        
        My children have the normal vaccines. But do i trust the medical establishment less after the covid years. Absolutely.
        
        Covid fascism gave us a peak behind the curtain about how information can be manipulated and controlled and how far they are willing to go. Eg. *Doctors who disagreed publicly with the covid vaccines faced loss of their license and would be shamed in the media. * Blocking true information or anti government narrative information on a wide scale by the fbi and government operatives who were working hand in glove with social media companies . * The use of disinformation projects, and other psychological ops and government nudge units who use behavioural science to coerce people into complying with government edicts * The manipulation of data like daily media banners claiming hundreds of NZers were dying of covid when a year later, post vaccination, we find covid deaths were deaths of any kind (like gang shootings) within 24 days of a positive test.
        
        It is the lies and manipulation that the has left people with less trust in governments, media and the medical establishment. They have brought it on themselves. And as an unvaccinated person I won’t wear anymore of the blame.
        
        Media called people speaking the truth Conspiracy theorists.. Conspiracy theorists said we will be forced to take the vaccine. Ardern responded “Not only won’t people be forced to take the vaccine, there won’t be any consequences at all.” Conspiracy theorists also said it came from a lab.
        
        Ardern used military tactics of collective punishment to force vaccination. She threatened that all of Auckland would be forced to stay in Auckland over Christmas/ Summer if the unvaccinated didn’t get the vaccine. For 2 years the pinned post on reddit Auckland calling the unvaccinated C*NTS for ruining summer and Christmas. There were threats on facebook community pages as Aucklanders raged against the unvaccinated. Instead of Ardern being blamed for lockdowns it was the unvaccinated. It was scary to be unvaccinated.
        
        As well as being shunned and humiliated in public and completely excluded. Their ability to travel stopped. Their jobs and livelihood threatened. The unvaccinated were made to feel unsafe.
        
        That is why collective punishment is banned by the Geneva convention. It is effective, scary and brutal control tactic. Turning the group against the individual.
        
        I’d rather catch chicken pox than live in a police state. What they did was evil and wrong. They belong in jail.
        
        Any problems the medical establishment or governments have with trust is now totally upon them.
        
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        July 13, 2024 11:30am
      - Hugh Jarse
        
        Agree Benedict
        
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        July 13, 2024 12:02pm
      - Lance
        
        @Damocles11
        And they do all this from pizza parlours!
        Well so say Q-Anon anyway
        
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        July 13, 2024 12:12pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        @Surelyknot.
        Exactly, And i will add the 40 years for themalihyde to be found responsible for numerous defects in children.
        Well said and totaly agree.
        
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        July 13, 2024 12:29pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Ardern used military tactics of collective punishment to force vaccination. She threatened that all of Auckland would be forced to stay in Auckland over Christmas/ Summer if the unvaccinated didn’t get the vaccine.”
        
        I have commented extensively on the damage caused by Jacinda on the vaccine passes, the mandates, and all the associated horror shows.
        
        However my anger at all that does not make it rational for me to not be vaccinated. I can separate the criminality of Jacinda from the efficacy of the vaccines. My thoughts on the latter changed somewhat over hundreds of hours of reading peer reviwwed studies. I concluded that the overwhelming evidence is that all cause mortality is lower, consistently, in the vaccinated as opposed to the unvaccinated.
        
        I stress that this conclusion only applies to large data sets and to peer reviewed analysis. I am not talking cherry picked data posted to reddit.
        
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        July 13, 2024 12:37pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Addendum. I would happily let this go. I don’t proactively post comments on the COVID vaccine. I’m over it. However a regular commenter delights in labelling anyone with irrational or contrary views as “boosted”. I’m not going to let such idiocy slide.
        
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        July 13, 2024 12:45pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        As a lot of commenters say ” Follow the Money”.
        
        Excess Deaths mainly in the 15-45 age group is up around 20%.
        Insurers are worried as there appears to be any rational reason why.
        
        https://insurancenewsnet.com/innarticle/excess-mortality-continuing-surge-causes-concerns
        and,
        https://www.lifehealth.com/mortality-trends-raise-underwriting-questions-life-insurers/
        
        If you don’t look then you don’t know why this happening, ie No funding into research to better understand the rational behind this.
        
        My Logic is, If the Insurers do not know, Then no ones else does either. Regardless they are very concerned at the loss of Money they have incurred.
        
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        July 13, 2024 1:21pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @BY
        
        I have commented extensively on the damage caused by Jacinda on the vaccine passes, the mandates, and all the associated horror shows.
        
        However my anger at all that does not make it rational for me to not be vaccinated. I can separate the criminality of Jacinda from the efficacy of the vaccines.
        
        When someone who is heavily infused with evil, Marxism and no respect for others, uses force to get you to take something that is not approved, and does not use standard vaccine technology, but untried gene editing, self preservation instincts alone, should prevent anyone from complying.
        
        And apart from a crescendo avalanche of information that shows that these vaccines are not effective and not safe, if nothing else read the court documents submitted by the five USA states taking Pfizer to court.
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:17pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Shit policies? Luxon is wiping the floor with everything stupid that Labour bought in.
      
      It will take 18 months to halt Labours brain drain, and into the second term before it is neutral, just as it did after Clark’s damage
      
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      July 13, 2024 12:16pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No he did not, he was always going to Santiago to meet business leaders, let’s not have our ACT blinkers on, he met with various US leaders from both sides, and he went out of his way to meet one of Trumps greatest worshippers, the senator from Florida
    
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    July 13, 2024 12:11pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Santiago Eh ? So he went to Chile ? 🙁
      
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      July 13, 2024 1:28pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        No, but he said weeks ago he was going to visit business leaders, if he met Newsime as well then it opens four for Californian investment
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:07pm
- G152
  
  He’s a gone burger.
  Has the President of Ukraine standing alongside him and he calls him Putin
  
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  July 13, 2024 8:42am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    I may get heaps of down ticks for this but the Ukraine president always looks like he’s popping out to the supermarket when he meets other world leaders … I know it’s his thing but suiting up offers respect to others you are meeting and looks more leadership material
    
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    July 13, 2024 12:35pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Unfortunately he wants to keep the illusion of when the press conference is over he will “pop” back into the trenches .
      
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      July 13, 2024 1:24pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        MM
        Yes, he’s just had time to wipe the camo grease off his face as he dashed to America!
        
        He is an actor playing a part. He can’t afford to be seen out of costume, that would spoil the illusion.
        Anyone who thinks that he runs Ukraine, or any military response to Russia, is deluded.
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:46pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Presumably he has his handlers barking instructions in a hidden earpiece. Hence how he was able to correct that bungle pretty quickly.
    
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    July 13, 2024 3:05pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  This is Biden being interviewed on a talk show in 2016. It is like watching and listening to a different person.
  
  https://youtu.be/opVaEC_WxWs?si=2X9TLniTH_ayrKyT
  
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  July 13, 2024 8:53am
  - David Garrett
    
    Bene: That is perhaps the best illustration of the reason poor Old Joe just has to go… right now it’s like watching a never ending train wreck.
    
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    July 13, 2024 10:34am
    - AitchW
      
      It’s awful watching him trying to look competent. Poor old bugger has no idea what’s going on.
      
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      July 13, 2024 10:36am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Luxon said he had a conversation with the cadaver about Indo-Pacific politics!
        I’m sure that was mutually enlightening.
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:49pm
- CJames
  
  From all the reports, Trump would relish Newsom being anointed as the Democratic candidate. He was a golden boy, but with a record of incompetence even bigger than Harris’s. California is collapsing with the middle class leaving. Only billionaires, celebrities and serfs remaining with the first two looking at fleeing from the new tax demands and collapsing infrastructure. Petrol and power prices are the highest there. The economy there is in freefall. He is an arrogant hypocrite to put it mildly. His first wife is now with one of Trump’s sons. Even the other Democratic State Governors hate him.
  If he becomes a candidate, the DNC is showing their contempt for America, and Republicans will have a field day.
  
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  July 13, 2024 9:01am
  - Mike
    
    Perhaps California should request the federal government to cut its overspending on failed red states and demand a fairer distribution.
    https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/
    
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    July 13, 2024 9:13am
    - CJames
      
      Could be why California is running such a massive current account deficit.
      https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4819
      
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      July 13, 2024 10:03am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Just FYI it is not a “current account deficit”. That is something quite different. 😐
        
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        July 13, 2024 10:37am
      - CJames
        
        You are correct BY. I know better than trying to argue economics with you. California is projected to have a $68B budget deficit this financial year and ongoing $30B annual operating deficits. The latter is the more serious issue. Plus there are liabilities like pension funds.
        The economy is collapsing as industry moves elsewhere. That and those jobs which go with it are the tax base the economy is losing All that’s under the Governorship of Mr Newsom. This is why he would get slaughtered by the GOP in any US campaign with his indefensible record.
        
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        July 13, 2024 1:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Apparently Kamala can be quite a hand full when there are no cameras or mics.
  If she becomes President all hell will break loose.
  
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  July 13, 2024 9:10am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I heard that said about Ms Ardern’s conduct behind closed doors when she was all powerful.
    Didn’t seem to do her any harm – at the time.
    
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    July 13, 2024 11:28am
    - MCōs
      
      I’m not denying the veracity of your claims, but I’d like to know how you know about what goes on in private when it’s not general knowledge?
      
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      July 13, 2024 2:45pm
      - CJames
        
        Generally with disaffected staff, there are leaks. Think Biden and his dogs biting all and sundry. For Kamala, her staff turnover points to a long-term fundamental problem.
        
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        July 13, 2024 3:27pm
      - Mike
        
        Luckily, we can rely on Trump’s second administration having as few disaffected staff as his first.
        
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        July 13, 2024 3:31pm
- Interested Party
  
  The only other way is for Kamala to lead the enacting of amendment 25 (not medically fit for office). Then she would be the candidate
  
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  July 13, 2024 10:08am
  - Ghost
    
    No that doesn’t make her the candidate
    
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    July 13, 2024 10:13am
    - MCōs
      
      The candidate is voted on by delegates to the convention & they are obligated to vote according to the results of their particular primary
      Right now Joe Biden is therefore the candidate
      I think if he withdraws theoretically the delegates can vote for whoever, but there will be a stitch up behind the scenes
      Not without precedent
      
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      July 13, 2024 10:50am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Remember they tried to Section 25 Trump when he spelled coffee incorrectly in an early morning tweet.
    The American media were fizzing at the bung for months.
    
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    July 13, 2024 2:54pm
    - Mike
      
      Well, Trump did send his press secretary out to tell people that ‘covfefe’ was a real word.
      
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      July 13, 2024 4:34pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        It is now
        
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        July 13, 2024 7:25pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  It could be that powerful forces in the Democratic party are already resolved that Biden must go and are just looking for the best exit strategy.
  
  The real problem is Kamala Harris. How do they get “rid” of her? She has nowhere near the knowledge and depth of political nous that Biden has, and even the most dedicated Dems know she would be a disaster up against Trump and a disaster as President.
  
  But how to get her to go?
  
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  July 13, 2024 11:17am
  - Ghost
    
    He is gone, it’s just a matter of who replaces him. I’d be surprised if he’s still standing by the end of next week
    
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    July 13, 2024 11:29am
    - All_on_Red
      
      At this point, the person who replaces him is probably Trump
      It is noticeable the lack of articles talking up Harris- although no doubt the MSM are awaiting their instructions on whom to promote.
      
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      July 13, 2024 12:00pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well, he keeps saying I am not moving, it sounds like they must confirm the candidate mid next week, although they can have a contested convention the following week, Biden will probably still have the numbers, they can’t move him, and they must first go to Kamala cause feelz
      
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      July 13, 2024 12:45pm
    - Manu-Rau
      
      Physically standing? Or standing as a candidate?
      
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      July 13, 2024 4:47pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Give those people a medal (if only there was somewhere to pin it)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350340533/watch-pair-nudists-rescue-tourist-blowtorch-wielding-pirate-guy
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July 13, 2024 8:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I’m more amazed that there are naked folk just walking around the streets.
  
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  July 13, 2024 10:39am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    That’s the Castro, baby!
    
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    July 13, 2024 11:53am
bennerg

A analysis of the current play by the Obamas as reported by Phelim McAleer and Ann Mcelhinney – the guys who made the movie about Hunter Biden.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-146539998
Jul 12 2024

This is what I predicted a couple of weeks ago, and got told by one commentator here, it was “utter bollocks”.
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/06/general_debate_29_june_2024.html

“That is not the sound of a summer storm you are hearing.

It is in fact the wailing and whining of Michelle and Barack Obama as they contemplate life after Joe Biden’s “successful” press conference. They are now watching the chances of President Michelle receding further and further away.

This was the plan. Barack had already started the plot to expose Biden’s decline by “helping” him off stage at a Hollywood fundraiser. Then Barack’s friends such as George Clooney would pile on the pressure and Obama’s political apparatchiks, who not so secretly loathe Biden and his administration already, would organize the political defections and leaks that would bit by bit destroy his credibility.

Then Michelle would, reluctantly and only for the good of the nation, accept the nomination and sail to the presidency without any actual campaigning. Just a celebrity concert here and an endorsement by Beyonce and Taylor Swift there and it’s off to Pennsylvania Ave. (Because it worked so well for Hillary).

But the cunning plan depended on Biden exhibiting more and more cognitive decline. But last night the President pretty much failed to go along with the plan. Like a child in a Chicago public school he passed even though he is incompetent and not ft for purpose. In both cases we are truly witnessing the soft bigotry of low expectations.

And so Michelle and Barack are left without a path to victory with time running out. It’s not as if Michelle particularly wants to be President. It’s a bit too grubby for Her Highness but as Joe Biden has shown you can be President without actually being there or doing anything – so that was the model she was going for. And its not as if they have any grand vision for the country either – except to make abortion compulsory for the lower classes. They just know that no one can do the job as well as they can and the country needs their saintly touch.

We should be grateful Michelle was even considering it. Is the dream over? Not completely but the path to presidency just got more difficult for Michelle.”

Seems like we will need more popcorn while we watch this one play out.
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July 13, 2024 8:29am
- Simon
  
  Donor class not Obama. Obama doesn’t control shit.
  
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  July 13, 2024 9:08am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes he does, he controls much of the donors, he is head of what Biden called elites, he has a big sway with the dems
    
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    July 13, 2024 12:47pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Apparently the Obamas are on the way to becoming billionaires these days. I doubt they’d want to get off that comfy gravy train.
  
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  July 13, 2024 3:10pm
Rusty

I have memories as a school kid going to watch the All Blacks play England at Eden Park in 1973.

The ABs had Bee Gee, Batts, Super Sid, and Kirky England were given no chance but they won 16-10!

Could it happen again tonight?
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July 13, 2024 8:35am
- AitchW
  
  Not a chance.
  ABs will be smarting from last week’s close call and the English have one eye on the Koru lounge.
  And it’s Eden Park.
  ABs by 15+.
  
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  July 13, 2024 8:58am
- Mike
  
  That was the tour where the English lost all their games except the test.
  It won’t happen tonight.
  
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  July 13, 2024 9:25am
  - Rusty
    
    @mike — England lost all 3 provincial games but won the big one.
    
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    July 13, 2024 12:47pm
- notreadyet
  
  while I’m a strong AB supporter, yes. in the same way I say the French pull out surprise wins
  
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  July 13, 2024 9:32am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  If they don’t get McKenzie off early it will be 50/50
  
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  July 13, 2024 12:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Black voters reveal who they’re voting for leaving host shocked.
Yes, they are leaving the plantation in droves. Take that Obama!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/black-voters-reveal-who-they-re-voting-for-leaving-host-shocked/ss-BB1pRmpx
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July 13, 2024 8:35am
cmm

“Democrats are in a very tight corner.”
America is in an even tighter corner.

At this stage the best of all the bad scenarios would seem to be Biden resigning immediately and President Kamala for 6 months.

I wouldn’t want that for anyone.
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July 13, 2024 8:37am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Less than 4 months now.
  
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  July 13, 2024 8:41am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    6 months.
    
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    July 13, 2024 8:45am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Handover day is 20 Jan or thereabouts
    
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    July 13, 2024 8:47am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Nobody will make any serious
      deals with this administration.
      Trump is the man to deal with from now on.
      As much as Biden is the President in name only, Trump is the actual president.
      
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      July 13, 2024 9:22am
      - Ghost
        
        No, people/ countries will continue to work with this administration for the next 6 months because trump holds no power, has zero ability to do anything.
        
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        July 13, 2024 9:40am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Biden in charge until Jan 20th 2025. He will make things bad for Trump, just as Labour did here. Ardern/Hipkins and Robertson. Clark and Cullen.
        Joe will tear America apart when the nastiness kicks in.
        
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        July 13, 2024 11:13am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Joe will see out this term, the Grim Reaper excepted.
  
  You can be sure that the Dems will coalesce around an alternate that won’t be Harris. The time won’t be right … perhaps Jacinda’s gift to the world will be an object warning in (s)electing an airhead for high political office.
  
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  July 13, 2024 8:46am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “You can be sure that the Dems will coalesce around an alternate that won’t be Harris.”
    
    The bookmakers disagree with you. 😀
    
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    July 13, 2024 9:11am
- Dougal10
  
  They probably should let Harris have it. It happened here with Shipley which removed the” I will be the first woman” campaign retoric forevermore.
  
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  July 13, 2024 8:47am
- MCōs
  
  Apart from you I haven’t heard of anyone suggesting Joe Biden should resign, rather announce he’s not going to stand in the next election
  If there’s one thing older males refuse to accept it’s that time has caught up with them.
  
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  July 13, 2024 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes Dad. 🙂
    
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    July 13, 2024 11:14am
kowtow

The right on luvvies are very free with calling Trump a narcissist.

Creepy Joe is one too.

But the luvvies insist he’s a”good, well meaning man”.

He isn’t.Watch that latest news conference , the unscripted post Nato one.

He thinks he’s the only man to fix America and there’s so much more to do and Trump must be stopped and he’s the only one who can.

That’s delusional narcissism right there.

And megalomania ,no mention of the democratic will of the people etc Just me me me.
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July 13, 2024 8:38am
- Mike
  
  Yes, they are both demented, narcissistic, megalomaniacs. I’m very glad we’ve found something we can agree on.
  
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  July 13, 2024 9:34am
Damocles11

Council voting underway here but I don’t know what any of these people really stand for and the left wing bureaucrats seem to have their own agenda and will implement it regardless of who the powerless figureheads on ‘the council’ are. Since National – as the erstwhile ‘premier’ centre-right party – abrogates its responsibility when it comes to local body politics, it’s even less clear who stands for what.
I’d say the Left, with their highly successful capture of our institutions and bureaucracy, are about 75% of the way to achieving a totally maorified and Te Tiriti-centric left wing Socialist Republic of Aotearoa. This is clear from the regular reports disseminated here by Steve Otto, and the regular e-mails I receive from the Taxpayers Union. I’d say the Coalition have rolled things back not a jot. Judith Collins won’t release the legal advice received on who owns the water, presumably because it says Iwi do. I only hope that they don’t know get a legal opinion on who owns the air we breathe.
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July 13, 2024 8:41am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Council voting underway here…”
  
  Where?
  
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  July 13, 2024 9:07am
  - pdm
    
    Tauranga would be my guess.
    
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    July 13, 2024 9:17am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Thanks
      
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      July 13, 2024 10:01am
  - MCōs
    
    It’s the Tauranga local body elections which finish next weekend
    Here’s all the information on the eighty plus candidates, which include most of the previous councilors, I believe
    Good luck Tauranga!
    https://www.tauranga.govt.nz/council/about-your-council/elections-2024
    
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    July 13, 2024 9:21am
    - MCōs
      
      Apparently last time they had an election the turnout was less than 40% and they wound up with a bunch of numpties!
      
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      July 13, 2024 9:25am
      - Colville
        
        Thing is with council elections it dosent matter how you vote as only numpties stand for council!
        
        Do gooders who can’t get a real job.! 😱
        
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        July 13, 2024 9:58am
      - Paulus
        
        Why bother to vote when the Council Executives, Staff and outside Lobby Groups only expect the Councillors to whitewash them as they have done with the Mahuta Commissioners.
        Same in all Local Governments in New Zealand, oh I forgot Aotearoa.
        
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        July 13, 2024 12:14pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Paulus @ 12:14PM
        
        Paulus, on the off-chance you didn’t see it first time round, see my comment to you, here, https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/06/christchurch_leaves_lgnz.html/comment-page-1#comment-3582062.
        
        I will now leave you alone.
        
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        July 13, 2024 12:50pm
    - Damocles11
      
      My expectation is that Tauranga will elect a council made up of people with a range of political leanings. There will be a group who are steadfast about not enabling ongoing maorification and Te Tiriti nonsense and who are determined to stop the constant nose-bleed level rate increases to fund vanity projects. Then it will really kick off with the bureaucrats, lefty councillors, and the MSM howling about purported ‘racism’ and that some ‘dinosaur’ councillors are ‘standing in the way of progress’. There will be claims that the council is ‘totally dysfunctional’ and voters have ‘elected a bunch of numpties’. At this point Simeon Brown will step in and appoint commissioners, headed by Anne Tolley, and they will advance the Lefts agenda without any opposition.
      
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      July 13, 2024 9:45am
      - MCōs
        
        James Cook named the area Bay of Plenty in 1769 because he was able to obtain water and provisions from the local Maori
        The way you tell that generous spirit has evaporated with “pakehaication”!
        
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        July 13, 2024 10:08am
      - Cassandra
        
        Quite possible but let’s hope Brown is not that stupid. The problem last time was Tenby Powell, for whom I voted but turned out to be a Commanding Officer rather than a chairman. Tauranga cannot afford its grandiose 10 year plan – the Tolley Plan. Rates will have to go up astronomically and voters will not put up with that.
        
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        July 13, 2024 10:14am
      - Damocles11
        
        Sadly, ratepayers have shown they will put up with pretty much anything. Anyone thinking that ‘voting’ gives them a degree of power is about as deluded as it gets. The council bureaucrats demonstrably run the show, the councillors are merely in charge of sticking the bill to ratepayers. This gives the ratepayers a target to focus on: “they put my rates up!” – thereby blaming the councillors for the depredations of the bureaucrats. As I say, when the rubber hits the road ratepayers are unable to organise themselves and protest against council profligacy. There should be organised protests, but all we will see is sustained grumbling.
        
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        July 13, 2024 11:23am
imalwaysright

The Biden Forrest Dump reality show is a planned distraction.
Think of the important issues that are more embarrassing to America that have been displaced from the “news” narrative.
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July 13, 2024 9:10am
Mike

Nice to see crazies not getting a free pass to peddle their bullshit:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350337489/anti-fluoridation-groups-ordered-pay-40k-costs-lost-case
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July 13, 2024 9:28am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yet the government gives “a free pass” to educators to peddle matauranga maori as science. Why should we be surprised if our children grow up to believe that the earth mother and lunar cycles will prevent tooth decay, measles and whooping cough from threatening their children?
  
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  July 13, 2024 10:07am
  - Mike
    
    Matauranga Māori can be valued as traditional knowledge, and is often empirical, but does not replace science.
    Personally, I’d rather the taxpayer stopped funding chiropractic, acupuncture and osteopathy. And that pharmacies would stop selling homeopathic remedies and other bullshit pseudo medicines.
    
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    July 13, 2024 10:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Chemist Warehouse would go down the tubes. They sell a lot of stuff we don’t need.
      
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      July 13, 2024 11:19am
    - Damocles11
      
      You stance is contradictory. You are against what you see as Western psuedo-science and quackery, while supporting Maori psuedo-science and quackery. It’s all probably part of your agenda of virtue signalling like mad while trying to portray everybody else as racist.
      
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      July 13, 2024 11:26am
      - Mike
        
        I’m not making claims for efficacy of rongoa or equating matauranga with thd scientific method. I’m just pointing out that empirical traditional knowledge can be useful.
        
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        July 13, 2024 12:53pm
      - Jack5
        
        Mike/Milky’s … I’d rather the taxpayer stopped funding chiropractic, acupuncture and osteopathy …
        
        Mike, then how do you feel about Maori medicine – rongoā Māori – being used by AAC. From the ACC site:
        
        In addition to rakau rongoā (native flora and herbal preparations), rongoā Māori includes a range of different healing methods, such as mirimiri and romiromi (bodywork), whitiwhiti kōrero (support/advice) and karakia (prayer).
        
        Does ACC treat similarly the faith healing of some Christian denominations?
        
        A hundred rongoa practitioners are registered with ACC.
        
        https://www.acc.co.nz/newsroom/stories/rongoa-maori-a-traditional-healing-choice-for-all/
        
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        July 13, 2024 4:51pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I disagree with your portrayal. Matauranga Māori will not be all quackery. All indigenous cultures have valuable knowledge. My problem is when that is promoted as science. However I agree that there is quackery. IIRC students are being taught, in science classes, the Maori concept of “life essence” or mauri. Of course there is no such thing.
        
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        July 14, 2024 2:30am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “A hundred rongoa practitioners are registered with ACC.”
        
        I look forward to the empirical evaluation of the results of these treatments compared to a control sample.
        
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        July 14, 2024 2:32am
    - Taieri
      
      I’d rather the taxpayer stopped funding chiropractic, acupuncture and osteopathy.
      ———-
      
      Don’t know much about acupuncture, but osteopathy works very well. Have used it many times with excellent results.
      
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      July 13, 2024 11:30am
      - Mike
        
        It’s quackery. Rest and prayers to your favorite saints would be just as (in)effective.
        
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        July 13, 2024 12:50pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Apart from ACC how are we funding those sectors?
        
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        July 13, 2024 12:53pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      My apologies – I’ve just unintentionally “reported” you, clicking absent-mindedly on the only available link beneath your post below.
      
      “Maatauranga … is often empirical”. Yes, but I want to make two points about this.
      
      1. An obvious point maybe, but by no means all empirical knowledge belongs in science classes.
      
      2. Activists sometimes engage in motte-and-bailey tactics about what exactly is being included in the science curriculum. For example, here’s Daniel Hikuroa criticizing the Listener Seven
      – he exclaims “we did not navigate to Aotearoa on myths and legends”. Here, Hikuroa has retreated to the easily-defended motte – it’s well-known and completely uncontroversial that the Polynesians were great navigators. But he knows full well that Maaori supernatural ideas are being included in the school science curriculum – Maaori beliefs, as well as knowledge. And when the threat has passed, activists will sneak back into the bailey (inclusion of Maaori beliefs in science courses).
      
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      July 13, 2024 1:45pm
      - Mike
        
        Your holiness
        It’s a nebulous overlap between Māori knowledge of the natural world and Māori spiritual beliefs. The same applies for many people of western cultures who rely on science but won’t abandon religion, superstitions or quackery.
        
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        July 13, 2024 2:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        ✝️Most Holy Punctilious II’s motte and bailey fallacy….
        
        Thank you for that pertinent reference, Your Eminence.
        
        If there’s anyone-else who hadn’t heard of this, can I call it, “equivocation”:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
        
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        July 13, 2024 3:23pm
  - I remember when
    
    The bigger danger is that matautanga maori will likely lessen and dilute the science that is taught.
    At a time when science is already being replaced by ‘modern’ subjects that are easier and less use.
    
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    July 13, 2024 10:51am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Milky what was that finger wagging from you the other day about not calling people abusive labels simply because one disagrees with another person’s viewpoint??? F.O.S. much?
  
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  July 13, 2024 3:16pm
Maggie Pie

Who wants to tell him? 😀 😀 😀

https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/1811086145264009372
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July 13, 2024 9:30am
- imalwaysright
  
  Can’t wait for Hillary to interview him/her/she/he/it/they/…
  
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  July 13, 2024 9:35am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WATCH
    
    https://x.com/BrianTamakiNZ/status/1811304363220214126
    
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    July 13, 2024 9:48am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hannah head case
      
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      July 13, 2024 10:34am
      - lifesgood
        
        Why would any decent parent want their child to attend one of these perversions? Do they think they are being wonderfully inclusive or some such nonsense?
        
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        July 13, 2024 11:54am
- Bridgenag
  
  🤣
  
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  July 13, 2024 9:37am
- lifesgood
  
  Sad that the mentally ill are no longer put into asylums.
  
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  July 13, 2024 11:51am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Beehive ?
    
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    July 13, 2024 3:02pm
- NothingLeft
  
  That’s a special kind of crazy. If he was in a fundamentalist Islamic country he would be required to join a flying academy (they have a 100% drop-out rate).
  
  In Islam it is fine to have sex with 9 year old wives, female slaves/captives of slain foes, dead aunts and by some interpretations animals. Muhammed chalked up something like 22 different female shags in the Quran and Hadith but only about half of them were his wives.
  
  But absolutely not men.
  
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  July 13, 2024 4:46pm
Scott

Just on the tennis. Watching the mixed doubles semi final at Wimbledon and two NZers playing as a team. All going well and then Michael Venus just can’t hit a shot! He single handedly lost the match with mistake after mistake.

Perhaps it was because I was watching? I blame myself. 🤔
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July 13, 2024 9:55am
Ghost

$US90 million in donations frozen if Biden remains candidate

YouTube
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July 13, 2024 10:10am
- All_on_Red
  
  Ouch- that’s gotta hurt
  But he still has $240m in cash which can only be used by him or Harris
  He is showing no signs of vacating the Nomination- despite the pressure.
  
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  July 13, 2024 10:21am
I remember when

A decade of breeding giant weta: Central Leader.
“Which island they go to depends on their size.
For example, wetapunga released onto bird sanctuary Tiritiri Matangi Island will need to be big enough to fend off a tieke/saddleback.”

Does this statement miss the point?
Surely the point of releasing them is to increase and preserve the species.
How are any young going to survive if it is acknowledged they have to be large enough to ensure this possibility?
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July 13, 2024 10:20am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

‘How The U.S. Patent System Failed African American Inventors’

Reparations for the Transatlantic-Slave-Trade must also include the value of patents historically denied to African Americans….

– Olivia C. Bethea (Attorney at Law)

https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/1811756819703804054
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July 13, 2024 11:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well at least it’s doors off like Magnum PI over Oahu.
  
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  July 13, 2024 11:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Whoever downticked that needs a life. Magnum PI Doors off Helicopter 80 minute flight over Oahu is something the downticker should do. That is getting a life!!
    
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    July 13, 2024 11:35am
    - AitchW
      
      SO you assume that the phantom downticker (s) will read anything you, I, or any of the other contributors who seem to attract their attention write. Pure knee jerk reaction on their part I suspect after they read something we wrote which was less than adulation of the last government or any of the other hobby horses they ride.
      So many totally innocuous posts downticked….
      
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      July 13, 2024 11:43am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Perhaps the problem is that you assumed your readers would automatically know what you were talking about. Even your subsequent explanation is not clear.
      
      It’s the same with Damocles11, at 8:41AM, above. All he had to do was say, “Council voting underway here in Tauranga […]”, but he presumably assumed everyone would just automatically know where “here” was.
      
      My golden rule is, write for others, not yourself.
      
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      July 13, 2024 12:19pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘pedant /pĕd′nt/
        noun
        One who pays undue attention to minor details or formal rules.
        A schoolmaster.
        A schoolmaster; a pedagogue.
        
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        July 13, 2024 5:29pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    TC reconnecting with his roots!
    
    As an aside S.O., apparently kiwi deer hunter helicopter pilots are considered the best pilots in the world by movie makers.
    
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    July 13, 2024 3:13pm
Notsofast

Britain is enacting a permanent ban on puberty blockers. This affords a pathway for the government here to do the same, immediately.
Except they have put Sue Bagshaw in charge, who is sterilizing hundreds of New Zealand children.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/12/labour-ban-puberty-blockers-permanently-trans-stance/#:~:text=A%20ban%20on%20puberty%20blockers,outcome%20of%20a%20legal%20hearing
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July 13, 2024 11:21am
Pope Punctilious II

There is hope for NZ science after all!

Kudos to the authors of these two papers in Science for daring to speak truth to power, and to the editor who found the courage to accept these articles for publication – she risked being fired due to activist backlash. Few if any editors of NZ journals would accept articles like these, terrified as we are of cries of “racism”.

Meanwhile, the Royal Society of NZ (supposedly a scientific body) continues to peddle “equity” and “decolonization” nonsense: https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/events/envisioning-a-fairer-future-auckland
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July 13, 2024 11:35am
Steve Todd

Wow! The case against Alec Baldwin is dismissed!!

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I–SjII0VCs.
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July 13, 2024 11:41am
- Paulus
  
  Money Money Money !
  It’s the Rich Man’s Game.
  Thanks ABBA.
  
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  July 13, 2024 12:17pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Oh, Paulus! Did you watch the video?
    
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    July 13, 2024 12:33pm
Maggie Pie

“IN-ELON-WE-TRUST”

Facebook HATES free speech.
Anybody not on ‘X’ can not expect freedom – only restriction.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1811783320839008381
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July 13, 2024 11:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Cuban Immigrant makes powerful speech while sitting across from Trump.
The American Dream. It can’t happen now but how about in the future?
Ivank Trump was quite moved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYYb1DGDhFo
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July 13, 2024 12:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maximo Alvarez.
  
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  July 13, 2024 12:27pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BqohSrjjUc
ACLJ Files Major Brief Against Fani Willis.
Today, the ACLJ legal team filed a major brief in DA Fani Willis’ case against former President Donald Trump to disqualify DA Willis and protect the integrity of our judicial system. Judge Scott McAfee refused to remove Fani Willis, who campaigned on prosecuting Trump, even after ruling that an “odor of mendacity” – lying – hung over the case.
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July 13, 2024 1:12pm
sungsamning

https://redstate.com/jimthompson/2024/07/11/debunking-the-remaining-myth-biden-has-never-been-a-decent-man-n2176685
Debunking the Remaining Myth: Biden Has Never Been a ‘Decent Man’.
The last embedded myth about Joe Biden is that he’s a decent man. Like the rest of his life’s story, his “decency” is a made-up contrivance.
Biden has a habit of abusing the dead to his own end. Biden’s first wife Neilia and infant daughter died in a car crash. Neilia Biden was holding their daughter while driving. The accident was entirely her fault. She had a stop sign that she either blew through or didn’t check left and right before proceeding. The Biden car was broadsided by a truck driven by Curtis Dunn. It didn’t take long for Joe to blame Dunn, who was immediately determined to be blameless.
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July 13, 2024 1:13pm
MCōs

I see the Day brothers who were apprehended back in March for messing with a Phuket policeman and were locked up are now back in NZ
This was biggish news in Thailand at the time, but their release appears to have gone unnoticed
I expect they’ll be any number of reasons why they won’t be going back to the Land of Smiles
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July 13, 2024 1:51pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Cops in Thailand have 2 quotas when they stop you.
  One is for official tickets the other is for bribes. The police only get to keep 20%
  of the bribe, the rest goes further up the foodchain.
  
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  July 13, 2024 2:12pm
  - mogg
    
    Spain was like that in the early 1970’s under Franco,
    On the spot fines for minor (invented) traffic infringements paid in cash.
    
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    July 13, 2024 3:09pm
NZer In Exile

I see the braindead far left MSM are suddenly now pretty much all in lockstep that Biden just haaaas to go now. It’s the “latest thing” they must follow, lest anyone be cast into outer darkness for not being onboard.
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July 13, 2024 2:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The View has been cancelled?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdGFpGoWJdo
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July 13, 2024 2:49pm
Maggie Pie

We’re heading down to ‘HEADQUARTERS’ tonite for dindins with friends.
It’d be hard to argue with Leo’s summation of the Greens…. 😀

https://tiktok.com/@hqviaduct/video/7390235793110895873
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July 13, 2024 3:04pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Tell us what you really think Leo! 🤣
  
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  July 13, 2024 3:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yeah! Come on Leo. Don’t hold back 😎
    
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    July 13, 2024 3:55pm
Sparrow

There is one persons position in the Joe Biden debacle I fail to understand. That’s his wife Jill. Surely she would like Joe and indeed herself to spend the last few years of their lives in enjoyable retirement. She has been the first lady, what else does she want ?
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July 13, 2024 3:09pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Oh I would think there are a few more millions to exact from that sublime position. Obviously blinded.
  
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  July 13, 2024 4:09pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Sources familiar with the matter are saying that after Joe’s eldest son Beau was killed in Iraq, Dr. Jill has become fiercely protective of Hunter and knows what will happen if Trumpy is elected.
  
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  July 13, 2024 4:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Babysitter – yep, babysitter….
    
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    July 13, 2024 6:31pm
newview

Sparrow maybe Jill thinks it will be socially a disaster for her to have Joe pull out of the presidential race because of his dementia. The reality for her living with him with dementia will be way worse but I doubt she is thinking about that now.
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July 13, 2024 4:05pm
- fernglas
  
  Maybe, like most wives, she is dreading the thought of him hanging around the house all the time, putting stuff away where it shouldn’t be and generally getting under her feet.
  
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  July 13, 2024 4:26pm
Maggie Pie

And see they’re saying ‘Kiwibank’ has closed the bank account of the PFLP.

https://x.com/CranmerWrites/status/1811939209705587180

Wonder if it had anything to do with my comment in response to DPF’s post
back on July 9th ?
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July 13, 2024 4:40pm
Steve Todd

Another great discussion between Katty Kay and Anthony Scaramucci, at The Rest is Politics US, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbgLBe4Tjgw.

(Warning, warning: These two commentators are not approved of by All_on_Red.)
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July 13, 2024 4:43pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Indeed Stevee
  Both are a couple of lightweights in my view.
  The Mooch is a fame seeker who failed and dear Katty Kay seems to be a bit vacuous with her ‘unscripted interview series, where she has hosted in-depth conversations with actor Wendell Pierce, on his time on Suits alongside Meghan Markle, and joined Ina Garten in her bespoke barn test kitchen to discuss how young people mythologise her cooking.’
  Neither impress as being particularly knowledgeable about US Politics.
  But if you like them, oh well. I guess that says a lot about you…
  Each to their own.
  
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  July 13, 2024 5:23pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Yeah, yeah, so say you.
    
    But I bet you watch the whole 44 minutes, eh, Reddee?
    
    LOL.
    
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    July 13, 2024 5:52pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Never watched anything- just read the review about her and her ‘career’.
      If you know its 44 minutes I guess you did!
      Fan of Meghan Markle are you?
      I bet you read the Womens Weekly too
      
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      July 13, 2024 6:00pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Wow. That is the weakest comeback I have ever seen on Kiwiblog. Simply saying something for the sake of saying something.
        
        You should be utterly embarrassed. LOL.
        
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        July 13, 2024 6:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I answered your question
        I havent watched it
        
        But you said ‘yeah yeah so say you’
        Now thats a pretty lame come back which is what children might say in a playground
        So frankly I think you are the one full of weak responses.
        You seem to me to be a sad little man with not much life except being a bit of a pedant on KB calling people out for minor things and then getting pathetic when you are called out on it
        The sort of behaviour those with an inferiority complex indulge in.
        Is that better?
        LOL
        
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        July 13, 2024 6:20pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @All_on_Red @ 6:20PM
        
        But you said ‘yeah yeah so say you’
        
        That was in response to your overall comments about Kay and Scaramucchi.
        
        I then said, “But I bet you watch the whole 44 minutes […]?”
        
        NB: watch. I knew you hadn’t had time to watch it, at that point.
        
        But you’ve watched it by now, or nearly so, haven’t you? LOL.
        
        The remainder of your reply is nothing more than the wild thrashing about of someone who has lost the argument.
        
        NBB: In five years, I have never even thought of saying such things about you — and believe me, I could have.
        
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        July 13, 2024 6:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No, I’ve never watched it
        Doesn’t interest me
        And what argument?
        I just repeated a review, which told me all I needed to know- you are not to be taken seriously.
        The fact you think this is an argument proves my point and shows you are the one thrashing- all over this blog as others shown you up.
        So funny
        
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        July 13, 2024 7:12pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        As you well know, “the argument” was an expression. Would you have preferred I said, “the exchange of views”? So, your point has not been proved, in the least.
        
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        July 13, 2024 7:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘yeah yeah so say you’
        hahahahahaahaha
        I think my point that Katty Kay and the Mooch are not serious Commentator’s is WELL proven with their tabloid tattle
        And then there is you…
        
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        July 13, 2024 7:41pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @All_on_Red @ 7:41PM
        
        So says someone who has dismissed out of hand two discussions now (last week and this afternoon) that he hasn’t even watched!
        
        Classic All_on_Red. Agree with me, or get the nasty, mocking, AoR treatment, big time.
        
        So pathetic, yet so funny.
        
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        July 13, 2024 7:56pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Poor triggered Steve
        His source gets criticised and he gets upset
        If you seriously think someone who interviews The Mooch and whose track record is interviewing a co actor on the show Suits to get gossip about Meghan Markle and another about a Cooking show is a reputable commentator on US politics then that’s funny
        I think we have all seen how nasty you are with your picky comments and put downs when you get called out on your pedantry.
        Look up thread. You CANT STOP REPLYING- hahahaha
        I don’t think there is anything else to say to you.
        My previous comments remain relevant and true.
        
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        July 13, 2024 9:22pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        You are truly thrashing about now, Reddyy.
        
        On 6 July, I said there was a “good discussion” between Kay and Scaramucchi. You were triggered. Why couldn’t you have disagreed, with reasons why?
        
        This afternoon, I said there was a “great discussion” between them. Yes, I admit I wound you up, but the simple fact is, you were again triggered. Why couldn’t you have disagreed, with reasons why?
        
        Because you didn’t bother to watch either podcast, that’s why! Instead, you went the classic All_on_Red line: denigration and mockery, based on your opinion of the commentators.
        
        Why is putting forward a contrary point of view being “picky”?
        
        You, too, can’t stop replying.
        
        My previous comments remain relevant and true.
        
        End of. LOL.
        
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        July 13, 2024 10:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Warning, warning: These two commentators are not approved of by All_on_Red.)’
        Forget this?
        You were triggered right from the start
        My critique pricked you and you smarted from the burn.
        Very sad Stevee
        You are the one who is wound up- the above proves it.
        Others and myself have exposed you and we all see what you are
        LAST WORD
        hahahahahaahahaahaha
        
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        July 13, 2024 10:15pm
fernglas

Another of Trump’s poodles gets his beans: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/12/udy-giuliani-bankruptcy-case-dismissed-new-york
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July 13, 2024 4:52pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Did you type that with one hand?
  
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  July 13, 2024 5:26pm
Scooter

I just had a quick look on the RNZ site and top of the news was Luxon’s trip to the US for NATO this week, but oddly there also was this…

“Luxon’s Hawaii holiday belies Te Puke social media post”

So you automatically think that he also had a holiday in Hawaii before but it was from a trip in July 2022. So why would they put up an old news item that was surprise criticising him, in current news? They really have no shame.
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July 13, 2024 6:04pm
- rouppe
  
  Because after this NATO trip he’s going on a few days holiday, and Tova tried to niggle him about it again
  
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  July 13, 2024 9:08pm
  - Scooter
    
    So in other words if they can’t dig up some dirt on this trip then they’ll re-hash 2 year old news. And National wants to throw them a life line with the Unfair Digital Bargaining (cough shake-down) bill.
    
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    July 13, 2024 10:29pm
    - newview
      
      Agree. Tova is scum and those who can’t see her shallow BS never will. Luxon has been energetic and successful overseas and the dead left media can’t throw him a bone. Pathetic.
      
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      July 13, 2024 10:52pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/350341217/job-cuts-coming-warehouse-groups-head-office

“The restructure will affect staff at The Warehouse Group’s head office where over 1000 people work,”

Over 1000 people at a Head Office ? Unbelievable.
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