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Why new housing rules risk cheap builds and shoebox apartments – Christine McCarthy
Ms McCarthy is Senior Lecturer in Interior Architecture, at Te Herenga Waka – Victoria University of Wellington. Reading her opinion piece in the Herald have to wonder if she is an expert with an agenda, trying not to be too obvious about it.

For example – “The real question, though, is whether the new policy will protect New Zealand long-term – when the full wrath of climate change hits, or during any lockdown when the inevitable next pandemic emerges.”

And specifically around size requirements – “Auckland’s late 20th Century shoebox apartments were built as small as 12sq m – smaller than many of the motel rooms Bishop uses to justify abandoning minimum dwelling sizes.” False equivalence because reasons?

She does however admit that small dwellings “could be ideal for the proverbial young professional, living much of their lives outside their flat, or for the short-term rental market. But it doesn’t work as well for families or older people.” Well, yeah. Perhaps Ms McCarthy is not aware that small dwellings are not compulsory to rent or to buy. Or with her uni experience, how about them students?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-new-housing-rules-risk-cheap-builds-and-shoebox-apartments-christine-mccarthy/TYF4BP52ARFBDAE4JTSMEQ3DDQ/
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July 11, 2024 8:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  She is an example of someone from the left who believes that New Zealand can achieve prosperity by regulating to demand that New Zealand shall be prosperous. 🙄🤡
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:12am
  - cmm
    
    Ivory tower of academia.
    Never let reality get in the way of your constructed fantasy.
    
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    July 11, 2024 8:36am
  - John Loveridge
    
    It sounds a little like Winston Churchill’s comment about taxing your way to prosperity: that it’s akin to standing in a bucket and attempting to lift yourself up by the handle.
    
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    July 11, 2024 1:11pm
- CJames
  
  There are a lot of people now in the workforce who go home for the weekend. Commute just Monday morning and Friday afternoon. For those people, a small apartment close to their work, particularly if it comes with carpark, is ideal.
  But Ms McCarthy doesn’t encounter those in her cloistered world. Hers is a paradise with everyone in architecturally designed properties no doubt.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:14am
  - PurplePen
    
    Had such an arrangement in Geneva. Lived in Lucerne and worked in Geneva Monday to Thursday nights in a shoebox apartment, home Friday to Sunday nights.
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:13am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    About 30 years ago I lived in a shoebox apartment for 12 months. It suited me perfectly. I was 10 minutes walk from work and surrounded by dozens of restaurants and 🍜 noodle bars. I did not own a car or have any desire or need for one.
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:27am
  - John Loveridge
    
    If I was in that situation then a shoebox apartment would suit me down to the ground during the week, with weekends at the homestead. It’s not vastly different to what I did for years while traveling extensively for work. All week in a hotel room, home on the weekend.
    
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    July 11, 2024 1:14pm
- peterwn
  
  Another person who has ‘made it’ in life pontificating how others should live or not live. She rightly concedes there is a place for ‘shoebox’ apartments for young professionals etc but then argues they should not be built at all because they would not suit families or older people. Seems to be a serious lack of academic rigour here.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:16am
- Simon
  
  She will be boosted for sure.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:16am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    FFS. 😞
    
    How ridiculous.
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:22am
    - ISeeRed
      
      To be charitable, Simon may have meant “boosted by the media”, as in promoted or pushed.
      
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      July 11, 2024 11:59am
- cmm
  
  What is wrong with a shoebox apartment if that is what people want?
  
  Hundreds of millions, likely billions, throughout the world live in shoebox apartments. They are fully adequate. What is so special about NZers?
  
  Demographics have changed. We are no longer in the 1950s with 6 person families and quarter acre dreams. We’re now getting older, with much smaller household units. Those that are breeding are seldom generating more than 2 kids. The physical housing stock needs to change to reflect that.
  
  In the 13 houses clustered closest to ours:
  * The average size is 4 bedrooms.
  * 3 are single people (2 are divorced, 1 a widow) with no kids.
  * One house (4 bedroom) has two late-teen kids who are leaving home within the next year or so.
  * The other 8 houses hold empty-nest couples.
  
  A few of the spare bedrooms are used as home offices or sewing rooms, but the majority stand idle.
  
  We have an under utilized housing stock and changing the options to include one bedroom and studio apartments would be a huge improvement.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    “If the shoe fits…..” 😀 😀 😀
    
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    July 11, 2024 8:43am
    - cmm
      
      Exactly right. People should pick the shoes that fit them.
      
      The last thing we need is the government telling us what footwear we should be comfortable in. We’ll all end up wearing Size 9 shoes because that’s what the government factories have mandated.
      
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      July 11, 2024 9:35am
  - mandk
    
    Shoebox?
    
    We dreamed of living in a shoebox.
    
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    July 11, 2024 9:24am
    - pdm
      
      We live in a 70m2 (without looking up exact size) unit built in the late 60’s.
      
      Plenty of space with two bedrooms plus a (possibly illegal) 3rd bedroom off the garage inhabited by our 19 year old grandson who has been with us for the last, almost 6 years.
      
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      July 11, 2024 9:39am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Certainly better than a Rolled up Newspaper in a septic tank.
      
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      July 11, 2024 9:44am
    - bjools
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE
      
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      July 11, 2024 10:19am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      in middle of t’road!
      
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      July 11, 2024 10:40am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Luxury!
      
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      July 11, 2024 1:16pm
  - PurplePen
    
    Correct. There’s this fantasy that we’re a rich first world nation and we can all live like we’re the same as the academics and some politicians might live. The reality is somewhere between that and Mumbai.
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:15am
  - Jethrod
    
    The really puzzling thing is the number of 3 and 4 bedroom houses sitting empty. They are cared for, but remain available for rent. Every suburb in Auckland would have some.
    And yes, I can’t give figures but this was observations over 40 years in Auckland.
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:28am
    - Damocles11
      
      If the 3 and 4 bedroom houses are too expensive to purchase or rent, why would anybody buy them or rent them? In a way you are just proving the point of people who say that there need to be more of the smaller apartments: why on earth would a young single person or young couple want to purchase a 4 bedroom house off an old couple when they don’t require a dwelling of that size or cost?
      
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      July 11, 2024 12:23pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Lots of downticks for you. Could be real estate agents, or older property owners who want younger people to buy their properties at eye-watering prices. The older property owners should consider that rather then creating a trap whereby people are forced to purchase their properties, freedom of choice and competition is crucial to our way of life and is an intrinsic part of ‘capitalism’. In any case, younger people can always move to Australia if living here no longer makes economic sense, nobody is truly ‘forced’ to buy somebody else’s asset.
    
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    July 11, 2024 12:20pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    “What is so special about NZers?”
    
    That we have land in abundance. This ain’t Singapore. The housing crisis we have is real and is directly a result of ideology and bureaucracy, not of factors beyond our control.
    
    The idea that we should be crammed into small apartments simply to kowtow to the whims of our masters is not only perverse but an admission of defeat.
    
    That said, removing regulations that allows developers to build cost-effective housing is a good thing. It’s perfectly reasonable that at certain times in life a small, low-cost home is preferable. But God forbid we should do it only because we can’t get the hell out of own way.
    
    This country has become very stupid, angst-ridden and weak. We should be ashamed we’ve allowed ourselves to be become our own worst enemies.
    
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    July 11, 2024 1:04pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Crammed into apartments? Turn it up. A single person or young couple don’t need to rattle around in a 4 bedroom house. Auckland is an isthmus the last time I checked. ‘Land in abundance’ aye. It’s the real estate agents / property developers wet dream that the landscape be covered in housing, with vast numbers of immigrants pouring in, but who will pay for (or even build) the complementary infrastructure?
      
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      July 11, 2024 1:50pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        Try reading before telling someone to “turn it up”:
        
        “It’s perfectly reasonable that at certain times in life a small, low-cost home is preferable.”
        
        Auckland long outgrew the isthmus. Hell, the harbour bridge was built in 1959 to service growth on the North Shore. You’re living in the past to think Auckland is constrained by its harbours.
        
        Sure, reduce immigration. Great idea but it’s not responsible for 70-year-old state houses in Blockhouse Bay selling for a million dollars. That’s down to land use restrictions and heavy-handed regulation, factors you seem to be in favour of continuing lest those horrible property developers turn the country into one big city.
        
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        July 11, 2024 2:42pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Blockhouse Bay has a major advantage over Pokeno: it’s actually in Auckland and therefore close to where people are employed. Building new suburbs in places like Bombay and Maramarua….it’d be just urban sprawl, and if we curb immigration who would live there? We keep being told ‘we need’ tens of thousands more houses. ‘We’ actually don’t. Without mass immigration ‘we’ don’t need these houses. Builders and property developers may very well need to keep building these houses, but ‘we’ don’t.
        
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        July 11, 2024 3:28pm
    - Countrygirl
      
      We moved from a 4 bedroom house to a 1 bedroom 60 sq. m regulated minor dwelling on our lifestyle block. We thought we would like another 10sq.m but no chance without a “donation” to the council. In our retirement we are finding the size we have is great. Not much housework, easy to keep warm, and we are still having dinner parties with up to 12 guests. I recommend it.
      
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      July 11, 2024 4:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Architecturally designed future slums.
  You life is in that box – stay there. Groceries coming from Countdown/Woolworths.
  Universities are full of people who want to control us – fuck off!
  I guess all of this comes from me as a kid growing up on a farm. I like open space.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:28am
  - waikatosinger
    
    Ironically univiersties are also full of people who wouldn’t mind living in a tiny apartment.
    
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    July 11, 2024 9:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It is not place for a family.
      
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      July 11, 2024 11:53am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        but perfectly nice for a single person, a student, or an old fulla.
        
        People need different things at different life stages. an old 3 bedder on 800sqs isn’t always suitable either – cold, draughty and expensive to heat and maintain.
        
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        July 11, 2024 12:34pm
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    You have every right to prefer open space, and no doubt there are plenty who share that preference.
    
    But so what? Are you saying that all new housing should be built in line with your preference? And if not, what precisely do you think is the public policy/regulatory relevance of your preference?
    
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    July 11, 2024 9:12am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Also as I commented yesterday, housing preferences change both by life stage and income. Someone in a shoebox apartment at 25 could be on a lifestyle block with a family at 45.
      
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      July 11, 2024 10:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It suits DINKS, but not a couple with 4 kids.
      
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      July 11, 2024 11:58am
      - sirknz
        
        Are you sure that you’re not an architecture lecturer at Victoria university?
        
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        July 11, 2024 1:31pm
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        And again – so what? Nobody is proposing to force couples with four children into one-bedroom apartments.
        
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        July 11, 2024 4:13pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        sirknz 1.31.
        How did you know? They pay me shitloads – for my shit!
        
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        July 11, 2024 5:55pm
  - Damocles11
    
    So everyone should buy a farm, or even a lifestyle block aye Steve. Not realistic, the ‘they just need to give up coffees and smashed avocado’ brigade are being selfish and unrealistic.
    
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    July 11, 2024 12:25pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Pretty lightweight article. I don’t see her as an ‘expert’.
  The vast majority of small apartments (<24sqm) are Student accommodation
  Like this Unilodge complex- have a look.
  Corrugated Toilet Roll look aside, it is fine for what it provides. Movie room and a pool!
  Good views too
  https://www.unilodge.com.au/student-accommodation-auckland/auckland
  The reality is Banks wont finance anything under 30-40sqm anyway so without the ability to leverage, developers generally wont build them as the only buyers would be cash buyers- and that's a small market.
  And they want a high yield if they are to pay cash, which means a low price.
  But they rent very well. There is always demand. So what does that say?
  So Bishop can say they are ok but will the Banks go along?
  But there really is nothing wrong with smaller apartments. Sometimes you just don't need a lot of space- but having facilities to use does enhance the living experience.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:38am
- Keith White
  
  “The full wrath of climate change.”
  
  Yikes, sounds like Moloch: The Return.
  
  How many babies must we sacrifice to avoid it?
  
  Oh wait, we already do that, legally. 🙁
  
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  July 11, 2024 4:25pm
Yvette

Horse trading between Labour and Greens to get NZ First’s ‘Waka Jumping’ bill across the line
Part of the deal between Winston Peters and Jacinda Ardern was a “Waka Jumping” bill to stop MPs from changing party allegiances in Parliament.
Ghahraman [has] suggested her colleague Marama Davidson’s bill, which recognises the anniversary of the invasion of Parihaka by making it a National Day, be put on the table for Government support.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98910081/horse-trading-between-labour-and-greens-to-get-nz-firsts-waka-jumping-bill-across-the-line

“Winston wants this bill [and] Labour wants this bill. So if the Greens want this government to keep existing – and to be able to implement policies like banning offshore drilling, banning mining in the conservation estate, and setting a robust target on climate change – they need to vote for it. It’s that simple. Whether the policies they get for this compromise are worth it is an exercise for Green voters – but personally, I’ll hold my nose and stomach it” … Surely there is a prize for abandoning a previously important principle. Come on ‘most transparent government ever’ – it’s show and tell time.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/political-roundup-why-the-greens-threw-their-integrity-overboard/KJC2AVOA2OTDKOXJZBKSVNVRSA/.

So was the implementation of the “waka-jumping” bill after an out-of-cabinet “horse-trading” agreement between Peters, Ardern and Shaw? And for the price to the country of abandoning mining and oil/gas exploration, should the Greens not now use the law we have so dearly paid for?
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PS – If the creation of ‘List’ Members under MMP was to Represent the full Party Vote, why when one defects is she or he not automatically resigning from Parliament, as they are then there not legally Representing anyone but themselves and the change must alter the Electoral results of an Election. The law should be amended to remove this Parliament-wide loophole, so the Speaker announces the departure from Parliament of any List Member who resigns from the Party they are in Parliament to represent – as the Speaker has already been officially advised in Tana’s case of leaving the Green Party.
It is not by the Speaker’s decision or choice – It Is What It Is
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July 11, 2024 8:06am
- peterwn
  
  As far as I remember, the Greens had no bargaining power in the 2017 coalition negotiations. Winston refused to talk to the Greens and James Shaw (only co-leader at the time) was too chicken to even have a chat with Bill English. Jacinda basically told the Greens ‘this is what you are getting’ with the implied threat that if the Greens protested, then Winston would probably go with National. So the Greens did not get a look-in on the Waka Hopper issue at the time – that was agreed between Winston and Labour.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:29am
- rouppe
  
  they are then there not legally Representing anyone but themselves and the change must alter the Electoral results of an Election.
  
  They often get around that by giving their proxy vote to their old party so technically, the proportionality isn’t affected
  
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  July 11, 2024 11:16am
cmm

Apparently there is no problem with Tana’s offending as such. The real problem is that information about it was leaked.

With an attitude like that she should have joined the Mongrel Mob, not parliament.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/ex-green-mp-darleen-tana-claims-leaked-report-into-migrant-exploitation-intended-to-pressure-her/E3GSXHAFC5FHXE3QX7F56KQH3A/
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July 11, 2024 8:08am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Green Party whip Ricardo March said he could “catergorically rule out”
  it was the party who leaked the report.
  
  “Be Ghey – Do Crime”
  
  LOL!!
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:39am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You think that ghey [sic] folk are more likely to be criminals?
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:34am
    - sirknz
      
      They were in the early 80s, had a great uncle who spent some time inside for just such a thing…
      
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      July 11, 2024 1:35pm
  - rouppe
    
    Gay or not, look at the language.
    
    He says he can categorically rule out the party leaked the report. Well a party cannot leak. But a member of the party can.
    
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    July 11, 2024 11:12am
    - Ghost
      
      Who has the report. The lawyer. She wouldn’t leak. Darlene, she wouldn’t leak. The green party that wants to force her to quit. The report could easily be given to a staff member to leak so the mp’s can honestly say it wasn’t us.
      
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      July 11, 2024 11:17am
      - AitchW
        
        Of course the party is leaking. Greens are slowly learning how to play politics.
        
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        July 11, 2024 7:48pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    My teenage daughter banging on the bathroom door last night while her brother was in residence: “How long does it take a poof to do his hair? Hurry up gay boy!”
    
    Maggie, do you think I should send her to you so you can take her down to the tennis club for some attitude adjustment?
    
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    July 11, 2024 1:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ’s highest paid beneficiary.
  Keeps hubbies Bank Manager away for a while.
  Have the wage arrears been paid?
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:41am
  - cmm
    
    I suspect the IRD is also short some PAYE and GST. No evidence, just a suspicion.
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:09am
- PurplePen
  
  Herald reports Darlene saying “What I can say is that I engaged in this process … in a manner that reflects my values as wahine Maori and what I understand to be the values of the Green Party”. ah ha ha haaaaa. Values that are as low a you can go me thinks.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:54am
  - Inandout
    
    PP, can Darlene explain what a wahine is? I am sure Chippie can’t.
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:46am
pdm

Who knows cmm.

Harry Tam may already be one of her advisors.
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July 11, 2024 8:17am
G152

Wasn’t her political go to building a 100,000 houses?
Did she mention that or did it slip her tiny mind
And people living in cars would be delighted with a small flat
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July 11, 2024 8:18am
slightlyrighty

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/winston-peters-urged-to-prove-extraordinary-claim-about-interislander-ferry-grounding/HVRKLC5DDBHN7OLOSXIGGFAH24/

Chippie seems to be having a bit of Egg on Face, and it turns out the Auto-Pilot claims may have a bit more credence
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July 11, 2024 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am thinking that is was not someone put the autopilot on, but the autopilot was on and someone switched it off – then they lost control.
  Autopilots use things called ‘waypoints’ (destination points) I have them on my boat GPS/fish finder. Makes navigation at night so easy.
  
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  July 11, 2024 12:06pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They are reporting the pilots could not switch off the autopilot, nothing to do with credence, it’s fact, the coffee issue may have been thrown in by Peters. Rotten unions did much of the talking and meant damage control from the corrupt attempt hide this, Hipkins said peters found this idea under a conspiracy rock but it was already known that it was fact.
  
  Hipkins s as Lao spew bullshit that people are leaving NZ for several reasons including cost of living, and this idiot can’t understand why he was booted for touch. He treated NZers with contempt, think Charlotte Belliss, think the H Bay people complaining about gangs looting during the cyclone he called liars. During Covid he choose several times to simply call people liars.
  
  The man is an inept idiot and how he is the only politician that has positive favorables is unbelievable, I am sure many people answer I don’t know in polls over favourability, this guy is a sitting duck
  
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  July 11, 2024 1:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

From last evening.

Principles Bill Part 7.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/why-we-must-support-the-treaty-principles-bill-part-7/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL0mF7M4gb0
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July 11, 2024 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is high time we just plain ignore these activists and the sympathetic media.
  As Julian says, we have been screwed over for 50 years. Abolish the Waitangi Tribunal.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:43am
peterwn

She is probably right in her claim. However the Gaslighting seems to have just started. For the sake of her mental health she should throw in the towel now. There is no Employment Court to come to her rescue unlike for an ordinary employee.
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July 11, 2024 8:21am
cmm

I got an invitation to a meeting to discuss what could be done to help refugees and other migrants to Aotearoa.

Poor buggers have been duped. They wanted to go to New Zealand.

Refugees have gone through a process of leaving their shitholes behind them for a better future. They came to NZ looking for the NZ-ness. The absolute last thing they will be wanting is turning NZ into Aotearoa so it can be just like the shitholes they left.
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July 11, 2024 8:28am
- kowtow
  
  Judging by some of the people and attitudes I’ve seen at the pro Hamas marches I’m not so sure.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:31am
  - cmm
    
    I wonder how many of those marchers are straight-off-the-boat refugees voluntarily attending.
    I would expect most genuine refugees are very glad to be far away from anything like Hammas and would stay away from such marches.
    
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    July 11, 2024 1:12pm
- waikatosinger
  
  A bunch of them came to New Zealand to get into Australia.
  
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  July 11, 2024 3:24pm
kowtow

While the left elites ,academia etc ( and the Nats are on board with a lot of it) are still 100 % determined to advancing the promotion of all things race,identity and treaty the real world of industry , infrastructure and wealth creation continues to be stymied .
Truly we’re on track to entrenched impoverishment and emigration of not only our best and brightest but just about anyone who wants a decent and fair future.
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July 11, 2024 8:29am
greybeard

Andrew Dickens and Winston Peters discussed the Northport expansion issue this morning: however they failed to mention the REAL reason for the commissioners refusing the application, and that is the opposition and interference by local maori.

“Tangata whenua were also strongly opposed to the expansion, with Patuharakeke, Te Parawhau and Ngātiwai all against it.
The commissioners said the adverse effects on cultural values of tāngata whenua, and the loss of recreational values and public access in the coastal marine area, were significant and irreversible.”

This of course is quite obviously going to result in lots of koha being required in order to get maori approval.

As usual these days.

What rubbish.
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July 11, 2024 8:32am
- Matt Long
  
  They’ve applied for fast track under the new legislation, can the Ministers overturn the commissioners’ ruling?
  North Port used to provide a dividend to local ratepayers, however the council thought the money could be better used for random corporate subsidies, like to the Hundertwasser debacle and projects like this:
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/397286/northland-council-writes-off-800k-on-failed-timber-mill
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:53am
  - greybeard
    
    That REL company looks as dodgy as anything. Owner lives in Dubai.
    So why on earth would the NRC lend them money ?
    
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    July 11, 2024 9:35am
    - Matt Long
      
      Because government is much better at picking winning investments than the market, and it was environmentally friendly. And, well, frankly we couldn’t find anything better to invest in that wasn’t already commercially viable, which is why we blew so much on Hundertwasser.
      And we can’t go back to returning the dividend to ratepayers to make their own decisions on spending, because that would be admitting we’re pretty useless.
      
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      July 11, 2024 10:09am
      - Tarquin North
        
        Patuharakeke, commonly known as the Takahiwai trash around these parts originally supported Northports aplication. When the hearing started they changed their mind and demanded 10% of Northports turn over to continue supporting their application. My company has a submission in supporting Northport so I get a full copy of the decision which is quite frankly a woke joke. Basically it was declined on cultural grounds. The beach between Northtugz jetty and the refinery jetty was going to be pretty much halved by the reclamation. It wasn’t much of a beach, I’m fairly sure the refinery leftovers have been leaching through there for years. But apparently this is where they leave from to collect kai moana from Snake Bank. They forgot to mention the bank has been closed since 2014 and it would be much easier to leave from Marsden Bay or better yet the public boat ramp at Marsden Cove. I can understand why they want to bring in the fast track legislation in with decisions like this being made. That’s 1500 jobs that won’t be coming to an area desperately in need thanks to a tiny minority who strangely enough seem to be able to afford really flash lawyers.
        
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        July 11, 2024 10:28am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I e we oils have thought the commissioners report is old work possibly started under labour, fast tracking is new and require a seperate report or conclusion
    
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    July 11, 2024 1:14pm
- pdm
  
  Could a taniwha or two magically appear up too?
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only the ones from Te Tai Tokerau – no freeloaders.
    
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    July 11, 2024 9:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Amazing what ‘koha’ can fix. It also means there will be jobs at Northport, however if you get enough koha you don’t need a job.
  Lots of nice shiny black SUVs to tow the boats around.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:55am
- kowtow
  
  The commissioners could have found in favour of New Zealand , prosperity and wealth creation , but they didn’t.
  
  That’s the problem.
  
  Same with the oil and gas ban.
  
  Etc.
  
  The whole thing is far left madness, dressed up in race relations/environmentalism .
  
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  July 11, 2024 9:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That crazy woman really did destroy NZ.
    Only now we realise how much.
    
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    July 11, 2024 9:51am
    - imalwaysright
      
      New Zealand is in an equivalent state as if we had just been to war.
      
      We have crumbling infrastructure.
      We have no money.
      We have high debt with nothing to show for it.
      Many of our best and brightest are no longer here.
      
      Neomarxism aims to overthrow countries without the use of arms.
      In New Zealand’s case, they have been very effective .
      
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      July 11, 2024 10:15am
    - Paulus
      
      No. in reality Helen Clark and her two cronies started the rot by emphasizing that women can do anything by being the best person for the job, and destroying the family unit, which is why we now have so many single mothers on the dole.
      
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      July 11, 2024 2:42pm
cas

I am in need of advice which I know Kiwibloggers are well equipped to give.

Our Sky box( the old version) is telling me the hard drive is not responding and to call my service provider. I did call Sky yesterday and got a basic problem with the TV sorted eventually but this problem suddenly emerged.

The usual things like taking the sky card out and resetting, pulling plugs out and reinserting them haven’t worked.

We are extremely loathe to get the new Skybox as we have loads of stuff recorded which will be lost and what’s worse at present is we have to actually watch the news in real time as we can’t record anything or pause it.

Any suggestions you helpful people?
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July 11, 2024 8:32am
- peterwn
  
  Assuming you can still get some access, make sure the hard disc is not full or nearly full and if so delete some items to free things up. The other possibility is the hard disc is ‘dying’ and complete failure is inevitable. In that unfortunate case you can kiss goodbye to saved programmes.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is the remote ok? If the code has been accidently changed it needs to be reset to the sky box code.
  I just reset a HDD recorder to factory settings when it was playing up. The box went back to code 1 when the remote was code 6 (inteferred with a DVD player)
  As Peter said, HDD do die.
  
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  July 11, 2024 12:18pm
- JackRabbit
  
  If the hard drive is not responding, it is not responding. As peterwn says, the hard drive is either totally full or is dying/dead and in the latter case your recorded programs are toast.
  
  Our Sky box( the old version)
  
  Hard Drives have a finite age. And it is sounding like your Sky unit is very old.
  
  The actual life of the hard drive depends on a number of factors, the most important being temperature of the unit and whether or not the unit is powered off a UPS. (Uninterruptible Power Supply.)
  
  A good UPS maintains power in the event of a power outage or interruption, allowing you to gracefully shut it down and protects against surges, brown-outs, momentary power cuts, etc.
  
  Life can vary between 3 and 15 years, according to conditions.
  
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  July 11, 2024 12:43pm
  - cas
    
    Thank you all for your advice. I have decided to sadly get a new Sky Box. Interesting that I had to supply another address as they don’t seem to deliver to rural addresses.
    
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    July 11, 2024 2:26pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      And being in a rural area, your power will be subject to greater than usual interruptions, and far greater than normal disturbances. My suggestion is buy a decent UPS.
      
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      July 11, 2024 2:44pm
    - Jethrod
      
      Please advise all of us at length what the new Sky Box is like. They (Sky) chase us now and then to swap out our existing box. We don’t want that.
      
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      July 11, 2024 4:58pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Try buying another of the same type on Trade Me. It won’t have your recordings but its functionality will be familiar to you.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:21pm
Maggie Pie

Just who is controlling ‘Facebook’ in NZ?
Chris Lynch found this story (among others) deleted 🙁

Activist-Set-To-Trash-New-Zealand-On-Global-Stage

“ACT’s heart goes out to members of the audience in Geneva – especially those indigenous people who’ve travelled from non-democratic countries facing very real human rights abuses, who have to compete for speaking time against the Human Rights Commissions hysterical tripe”

– Todd Stephenson (ACT Justice Spokesman)

https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/activist-set-to-trash-new-zealand-on-global-stage-act/
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July 11, 2024 8:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Facebook has political activists straight out of high school who tend to single out a person and annoy them. All it takes is a key word.
  Must admit they are leaving me alone. I haven’t been in jail for about 1 year.
  
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  July 11, 2024 12:22pm
- NothingLeft
  
  The govt should have defunded them 6 months ago, so right now is the 2nd best time to do so. Same goes for all the useless far-left fiefdoms funded by Govt. Stop paying the enemy to wreck NZ. It’s a battle for NZ’s existence.
  
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  July 11, 2024 1:03pm
- Conservatarian
  
  Superb statement from Stephenson. In addition to the part that Maggie Pie posted, he also said:
  
  “This has become absurd. Hard-up Kiwi taxpayers are forking out for an activist group to fly to Switzerland and trash New Zealand on the world stage.”
  
  He gave example of the new Government’s measures (local referenda for Māori wards, the disestablishment of race-based health services, and ACT’s Treaty promise legislation) and says the HRC “is obsessed with race and identity. It is dismissive of basic individual rights like free speech and the right to be safe from criminals, and it actively campaigns for policies that divide Māori from non-Māori….$15 million a year to do this in the name of human rights and with the false credibility of quasi-government status.
  
  …
  
  “If the Commission leadership want to campaign against the government, they should join a voluntary activist group or run for Parliament. New Zealanders shouldn’t be forced to fund their political activism.”
  
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  July 11, 2024 2:06pm
imalwaysright

Its hard to believe that no one on the ferry bridge knew how to disengage the autopilot button.
What has the captain said?
Is there a police investigation?
What other functions on the ship are they unsure how to operate?

NZ ferries are now in the Boeing class of public transport.
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July 11, 2024 8:35am
- peterwn
  
  There would only be a police investigation if the current investigators suspect there was some criminal act eg sabotage.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:41am
- rouppe
  
  The language I’m seeing is very vague, meaning they can say stuff that is “technically correct” but misleading.
  
  I read something about an “execute button” being “accidentally” pressed, and that’s when they couldn’t work out how to disengage the auto pilot.
  
  So it sounds like auto pilot was plotted in, maybe even operating, and then someone pressed a button that immediately executed the turn, at which point they didn’t know how to turn it off because the only person that did had left the bridge.
  
  But that’s a total guess.
  
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  July 11, 2024 11:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  As I said elsewhere, I think autopilot was on and then switched off. That is when they lost control.
  
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  July 11, 2024 12:24pm
- AitchW
  
  No, NZ bridge complements are in the clown car class.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:20pm
Spam

I’m not sure what is going on here. Is MBIE be anti-government? Did the Minister not give them the right feedback or Terms Of Reference, or is the government looking for an excuse not to undo the Oil & Gas ban?

Here we have the article that is being used to beat-up the government. Purporting to show that the reversal of the ban will add ~50 M tonnes of CO2e to emissions over the next 25 years (and then the obligatory misleading comparison that annual emissions are “meant to be” 61 M tonnes a year. It doesn’t say whether this is net or gross, but FYI, the gross emissions are currently ~80 Million, not 61 Million. So for those not wanting to do the maths, an additional 50 million tonnes over 25 years (2 million tonnes / annum) is only a 2.5% increase. Anyway – distraction – don’t focus on that.

The point is that buried in the story is this gem:
Reversing the ban and increasing gas use could have some positive climate impacts because using more gas would mean burning less coal, which emits far more. More gas would also mean a more stable electricity market which would encourage electrification. Neither of these positive impacts were modelled, however.

So who asked MBIE to do an analysis and only focus on the negative climate impacts and not the positive (or indeed the net) climate impacts? This is just giving the Opposition (and media) a stick to beat you with! This is the sort of ‘analysis’ I’d expect from Just Stop Oil or Climate Justice, not a Government Department!
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July 11, 2024 8:35am
- cmm
  
  I suspect they also didn’t model:
  * That burning coal for electricity production generates far more CO2 per kWh than burning gas or oil.
  * Buying coal from Indonesia, and shipping it 9000km burns significant fuel oil.
  
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  July 11, 2024 9:06am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Buying coal from Indonesia, and shipping it 9000km burns significant fuel oil.
    
    Indonesian coal, in which Blackrock have significant investments.
    
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    July 11, 2024 12:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hard to understand left logic. CO2 is 0.04% of the air. The trees the left want planted need CO2, but the left want less CO2. Why are the left starving the trees?
  I would have thought more CO2 means more growing, a win-win.
  
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  July 11, 2024 9:58am
  - Don Beckett
    
    More to the point, if they included all the plants/trees/grass that absorbed CO2 it is patently obvious that we are already Net Zero.
    
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    July 11, 2024 11:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Best we reset the target.
      
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      July 11, 2024 12:25pm
- PurplePen
  
  Some just can’t see the wood for the trees and see sense. The only commitment we need re greenhouse gas is the minimum required to enable us to continue to trade competitively. Anything more is a waste and won’t have any negligible impact on the climate.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:23am
- peterwn
  
  These are ‘operational matters’ and the Minister is unable to interfere.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:42am
- zulumonster
  
  Spam – “So who asked MBIE to do an analysis and only focus on the negative climate impacts and not the positive (or indeed the net) climate impacts?”
  
  A good question, as this is the modus operandi of the left. Another example is the analysis of the harm done by alcohol – always resulting in calls for higher prices and greater reductions in availability. while the positive / net impacts are ignored.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

Be warned Ladies:

Parliament is toxic for wahine
https://waateanews.com/2024/07/10/parliament-toxic-workplace-for-wahine/

The Greens are toxic for wahine with mana
https://waateanews.com/2024/07/10/tana-hit-third-strike-for-greens-with-mana-wahine/
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July 11, 2024 8:40am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  You have to wonder what Waatea has in mind. All “women of colour” should be issued with a free get-out-of-jail” card on entering parliament? Though Gohlriz’s “woman of colour” claim is doubtful – her features are very Caucasian, and she could pass for being Spanish.
  
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  July 11, 2024 9:00am
  - Conservatarian
    
    The good news is that this means Waatea (a faction of elite Maori) is saying that Te Ethno-Nationalist Party cannot work with Te Race-Gender-Marxist-Leninist Party. The latter, which thinks most things are racist but not its own conduct, is being painted as incompatible with the former, which thinks everything is racist. This bodes well for future coalition talks.
    
    I would say that Waatea is trying to cannibalise a portion of the Maori vote, but this is problematic…
    
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    July 11, 2024 3:20pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    [Mod – use correct names] G is an actual Aryan, though not quite as Adolf might have envisaged
    
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    July 11, 2024 8:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It was Jim Anderton who said Parliament is a bear pit. That from a leftie.
  Deal with it Ladies.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:01am
Surely Knott

MP subject to severe threatening behaviour but I can’t find any record of the events on google. Are these attacks on mps being reported to police? “During her time there, 1993-2002, Lee-Vercoe said she had stalkers, people breaking into her home, death threats and even had an HIV-positive person who flew to Wellington twice with the express intention of biting her.”
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July 11, 2024 8:43am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  “with the express intention of biting her”
  
  Don Quixote read too many chivalric romances, and came to believe he was living in such a romance. Has Lee-Vercoe watched too many vampire movies?
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:40am
All_on_Red

Pathologist adamant Lundy killed his wife.
Interesting job but not really for me. A slightly bloody steak is as far as I could go.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/a-moment-in-crime-top-pathologist-on-death-diagnosis-and-why-mark-lundy-is-guilty/2YDO3VMSEVEXHMMHKIQFBHPHEY/

– gets popcorn.
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July 11, 2024 8:43am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Link is dead.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:44am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Just like Bain and Watson.
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:54am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    How can it be “just like” the Scott Watson case? AFAIK forensic pathology played no part in the trial. Because there were no bodies.
    
    The only physical evidence to link Scott Watson to the victims was one hair from Olivia found on the boat. That is quite different to brain tissue from a victim being found on the clothes of the accused.
    
    I am not arguing that Scott Watson is innocent. The jury was best placed to make that judgement. But there are no similarities with the Lundy case.
    
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    July 11, 2024 9:04am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      But there are no similarities with the Lundy case.
      
      Except they are both guilty. Have a read of Ian Wishart.
      
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      July 11, 2024 9:57am
      - nova
        
        The case against Lundy is much stronger than the one against Scott Watson. The hair they found in the lab was quite likely Olivia’s, but how it got onto the sample table is very uncertain. And there is no other forensic evidence to link Watson. Wishart previously thought that Watson was innocent, and his change of heart doesn’t seem to be based on new evidence, but rather a reexamination of the same facts that initially led him to believe the Watson was innocent. The case he now makes is highly selective and ignores a lot of the defense case. He spends a lot of time arguing the eye witness discrepancies, and his photos that purport to show shoulder length hair only really show someone with short hair who hasn’t had a haircut for six weeks or so.
        
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        July 11, 2024 10:17am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        It is possible that Tamihere is not guilty. I would trust him more than his brother.
        
        Swedish tourists case: David Tamihere loses long fight, is again found to have murdered Swedes
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/swedish-tourists-case-david-tamihere-loses-long-fight-is-again-found-to-have-murdered-swedes/MX4JZQZRBBBJHDQISMRGSBLAJQ/
        
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        July 11, 2024 1:43pm
      - wsk12345
        
        There is a great long form podcast that covers the Swedish tourist murders. Its called Guilt and was season 2 or 3.
        His conclusion was that there were others involved, who he names and discusses in quite some detail, but Tamahere was definitely involved. Well worth a listen if you have a spare 10 hours or so 🙂
        
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        July 11, 2024 2:23pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Oh dear.
        Ian Wishart did prove this was not so in Missing Pieces. A great read.
        I am sorry for NZ justice, and even for DT and JT on this.
        
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        July 11, 2024 2:37pm
      - Notsofast
        
        “Rather, it derives its strength from a number of sources, including his use of the couple’s key to gain access to their car and his treatment of his property.”
        
        Tamihere unlocked the car with bent wire. He demonstrated to the police very quickly on the actual car while handcuffed.
        The spare key was in the glove box.
        He drove around the Coromandel giving backpackers scenic tours in exchange for being paid for nights in the hostels.
        Allegedly the two were dead by now, if he killed them he would expect the car to be subject to a police hunt. Yes there were two bad guys in the bush, Tamihere and the killer, whose name I forget. The killer locked and abandoned the car, and confessed on his death bed.
        
        This is bullshit, NZ judges sink deeper into the swamp.
        
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        July 11, 2024 2:49pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      One of the parents knows where the bodies are.
      
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      July 11, 2024 10:03am
      - bennerg
        
        Can you expand on that claim?
        
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        July 11, 2024 10:20am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Bennerg,
        work it out yourself – it is not that hard to have a different point of view.
        Uptick, but I don’t even need to point the finger of who.
        
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        July 11, 2024 6:00pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      @chuckbird. Is there any chance Tamihere isn’t guilty? So he killed a woman hitting her in the back of the with the back of a rifle 1972. An accident. Then 1980 Assault /sexual assaults of elderly woman 62 tied up and raped in her home. Then 1985 Ties up rapes and threatens to kill a woman in a six hour horror attack in her home. . Goes on the run to avoid court and lives rough in the forest. And then decides to come out and steal a car , which unlucky and unbeknownst to him just happened to be the young couple who were murdered in the forest. I mean what are the chances?. And also he has the keys to the car. But the tourists had left the key of the locked car in the glove compartment.
      
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      July 11, 2024 6:57pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Notsofast…. 5-4-3-2…..
  
  😀
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:55am
  - Notsofast
    
    Temple Camp happened to hear Rod Miller from Texas at a conference shortly before Grantham brought the shirt to him.
    He said go to Rod Miller. Grantham took an open cheque from the taxpayer to that crooked little pimp and said we must prove this spot on the shirt is brain.
    Deal done.
    That is exactly what happened and the story has another chapter in a month or two.
    
    You are welcome lol.
    
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    July 11, 2024 9:55am
- Notsofast
  
  Temple Camp is a disgraceful fraud who was totally debunked by the privy council.
  He has written this book twice now, and he should be taken to the cleaners for libel.
  
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  July 11, 2024 9:48am
  - peterwn
    
    No. The Privy Council had to accept the alternative report as presented (that report came after the original trial). Mr Temple Camp told the Crown Prosecutor that report was ‘Bullshit’ (it was in the Manawatu after all) and the Prosecutor tole him that they would have to express it to the PC another way.
    The only real response the PC could make was to order a retrial where the alternative report could be tested. The PC was in no position to hear submissions or determine facts on the conflicting reports as this would be best left to a jury.
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:56am
    - Notsofast
      
      Let us clarify from Leask’s article.
      Temple-Camp says Christine’s DNA was in the spot, but Philip Morgan was grilled on this by H Winkelmann in the appeal court 2017. He repeatedly said they could find no DNA in the spot, despite trying different methods. Of course the DNA came from the surrounding shirt material, which was soaked, and the solution tested. The spot remained unaffected until sent to Texas.
      There is a simple way to establish this, email P Morgan and ask him. He will confirm to you.
      This does not make Lundy innocent, but it does make Temple-Camp a liar.
      
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      July 11, 2024 11:25am
Rusty

Tuned into Three News a couple of times this week. Not much different than before apart from new graphics.

Jenna Lynch still trashing National and their partners.

Wonder how long they will last?
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July 11, 2024 8:47am
- John Loveridge
  
  As long as Stuff does? And how long is that likely to be? I suspect the contract with WBD has thrown them a bit of a lifeline.
  
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  July 11, 2024 1:29pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Mark Jennings has said that he reckons there is no profit margin in Stuffs deal with WBD.
    
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    July 11, 2024 3:30pm
Observer of Life

I was having a clear out of my computer storage yesterday and came across the emails between myself and the Air NZ Koru membership people (marketing?) that I wrote about of a week or so back. That is, what is the symbol on the tail of the aircraft, a Koru or a Mangapore (hammerhead shark). Here’s exactly what the Air NZ guy wrote….

“Air New Zealand’s relationship with Māori language and culture is not new and our aircraft have flown with the symbol of the Mangōpare (hammerhead shark) on their tails since the 1970s – it’s a symbol we’re proud to fly under…….”

[Mod – debate without abuse]
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July 11, 2024 8:49am
- John Loveridge
  
  First I’ve heard of the koru having anything to do with a hammerhead shark. I thought it represented an unfurling fern frond.
  
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  July 11, 2024 1:31pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    JL: Yes. That was my point to them (it was in a newsletter sent to Koru members a year or so back that it was a hammerhead shark). And that’s the reply I got back. This guy is clearly telling me it’s not a Koru, but a bloody hammerhead shark. I mean seriously, why a HS?
    
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    July 11, 2024 1:49pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Hammerhead sharks are the weirdest looking creatures. I mean, here’s Johnny Shark, all slimline and pointy nose. Looks like all the other shark types, more or less. And then there’s Bruce Shark, with a flattop and eyes out on his ears. Looks like a anvil dropped on his head, cartoon-style. Talk about cruelty to Bruce Shark, Trev.
      
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      July 11, 2024 8:34pm
Bridgenag

Disorderly “refugees” turn Erfurt commuter rail line into a daily hell of physical assaults, threats & fights; police respond by offering special classes on “railway rules” and “German customs”
Apparently not stabbing and spitting on conductors is a peculiar central European cultural norm unknown to our guests from Syria, Afghanistan and Turkey.

“The unstated premise of our rape preventionists seems to be that migrants are disproportionately rapey because nobody told them they’re not supposed to molest people in their, uh, “no-no squares” (typing this is causing me almost physical pain). As soon as our brave New Finns hear that groping and assaulting women violates our highly peculiar and unique Western norms against raping people, they’ll surely stop! It’s all been one massive misunderstanding! And nothing a public awareness campaign can’t fix!…..

Those migrants exposing themselves to female conductors, pulling out knives, spitting on railway staff, fighting with each other, assaulting fellow passengers – all one massive misunderstanding! Just like the rapes in Finland! Nobody ever told them the rules! All they need is a few classes, just a few pointers, and soon they’ll be scolding teenagers for playing loud music and offering their seats to old ladies just like proper Germans.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/disorderly-refugees-turn-erfurt-commuter?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 11, 2024 8:56am
- artemisia
  
  That’s what happens when women insist on displaying their ankles in public. Sexual emergency incoming.
  
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  July 11, 2024 9:08am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Control yourself, for Chrissakes!
    
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    July 11, 2024 1:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Half of Americans Want Biden Out Before 2024 Poll.

Popcorn sales must be through the roof.

https://politicalactionalerts.com/half-of-americans-want-biden-out-before-2024-poll-shows-trump-still-strong-in-gop/?
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July 11, 2024 9:00am
- Matt Long
  
  Democrat poll has both Kamala and Hillary Clinton beating Trump, Politico.
  https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/09/biden-clinton-harris-democrat-poll-00166937
  
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  July 11, 2024 9:13am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Did Kamala pay for that?
    Heres a Poll from Emerson, who are probably more mainstream.
    49% Trump to 43% Harris
    
    ‘A series of prominent Democrats were tested in a head-to-head ballot against Donald Trump:
    
    Vice President Kamala Harris: 49% Trump, 43% Harris, 8% undecided
    Senator Bernie Sanders: 48% Trump, 42% Sanders, 10% undecided
    California Governor Gavin Newsom: 48% Trump, 40% Newsom, 12% undecided
    Former Vice President Al Gore: 47% Trump, 42% Gore, 11% undecided
    Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: 48% Trump, 41% Clinton, 11% undecided
    Senator Elizabeth Warren: 49% Trump, 39% Warren, 13% undecided
    Secretary of State Pete Buttigieg: 49% Trump, 39% Buttigieg, 12% undecided
    Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro: 46% Trump, 38% Shapiro, 16% undecided
    Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer: 48% Trump, 38% Whitmer, 15% undecided
    
    https://emersoncollegepolling.com/july-2024-national-poll-trump-46-biden-43/
    Personally I do think National Polls dont reflect the reality that its the individual States where it matters
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:06am
    - Matt Long
      
      I suspect the “transition to new candidate” democrats paid for the poll Politico cites, Kamala is supposed to be a Clinton protege, rather than an Obama acolyte like Biden.
      And yes it’s the polls in key swing states that matter.
      
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      July 11, 2024 10:19am
      - Notsofast
        
        Ladbrokes has Trump 1 to 2
        Biden and Harris both 5 to 1.
        Good luck to them untangling the mess they’re in.
        
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        July 11, 2024 10:33am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Kamala is there for a reason. Do not mess with that Killary reason.
        
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        July 11, 2024 6:04pm
    - Paulus
      
      It has been said that Kamala Harris got to the top in California on her back – easy !
      
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      July 11, 2024 2:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Horizontal? What does that mean?
        
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        July 11, 2024 6:05pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Funny other polls have all those other names trailing trump, how come as Trump gets further ahead why do theee other polls stat appearing who have all been negative till last week
      
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      July 11, 2024 3:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I keep saying Hillary will pop up soon.
    Anthony Williams added. “It’s almost as if [Clinton] finishes out Biden’s term in the experience lane.”
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:12am
  - Inandout
    
    Matt, shoal fish and Dem voters are alike.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-5ffl5_7AI
    Anyone except Biden at this point in time.
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hahaha, all other polls have them the closet to Trump but losing, when they start saying blame the border czar, do you want her as prez
    
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    July 11, 2024 3:01pm
- Cassandra
  
  Unfair. Biden: “It’s just my brain, the rest of me is fine”. How does Pres Clooney sound?
  
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  July 11, 2024 9:28am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Funnily enough, as a candidate he would have a lot of appeal to the Center Left, and to be honest, his wife would be a potent First Lady.
    
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    July 11, 2024 9:51am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      You heard it first on Kiwiblog.
      
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      July 11, 2024 10:41am
Matt Long

“NZTSOS have uncovered a ‘Science and Insights’ report that was published by the Ministry of Health in Oct 2021, which totally demolishes the Labour Government’s narrative around the ‘grave risk’ that existed in schools and healthcare settings at the time.”
They believe this would give grounds to appeal a court decision that gave credence to Blomfield as an expert witness and perhaps open the way to compensation for mandated affected education and health workers.
https://x.com/HopeRising19/status/1810951302308077976
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July 11, 2024 9:06am
- Matt Long
  
  There appears to be deliberate obfuscation by government witnesses, e.g. Crown witness, Ms Mackay told the court only 11 exemptions from vaccines were granted but failed to tell the court that these exemptions covered nearly 3000 workers.
  
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  July 11, 2024 9:28am
Handyman

Fun times ahead for the British electricity consumer.
Labour’s policy is to double onshore wind generation and quadruple offshore wind generation.

The folly of using averages…
Already in the UK when an ideal wind is blowing there is more than enough capacity forcing some wind turbines to be turned off. Adding additional windmills will mean ALL the additional windmills must be turned off in similar wind conditions.
This is obvious to the windmill developers who have built this into their pricing (50% increase for electricity from the new windmills). Not so obvious to far left zealots.

In the UK the government signs the contract and passes the increased costs through to electricity consumers.
Labour will oversee the greatest transfer of wealth from working class people to wealthy landowners in history. Oh, and it will almost certainly result in blackouts, but only for those poor people without backup diesel generators.

I forget which politician said it, but when it was pointed out solar only produced half the required amount of electricity (because it only operates during the day) he said “well we can just double the number of solar panels”.
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July 11, 2024 9:24am
- kowtow
  
  A bit like when the Irish proposed sending a manned space mission to the Sun .
  
  Questioned about the heat issue ;
  
  No , we’ve covered dat , landing at night .
  
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  July 11, 2024 9:44am
- cmm
  
  “The folly of using averages…”
  
  Yup, it is like anything else: you don’t design for averages.
  
  The average snow loading for a roof in Canterbury is maybe a fraction of a mm. But once every few years we have a big dump of snow that puts 300mm or more of heavy wet snow on a roof – that is what you have to design for.
  
  The same principle applies to energy production.
  
  In energy production generation can be split into groupings in many ways. Here the important split is:
  * Dispatchable: Can be turned on and off on demand. If you want more power, phone them up and they chuck more coal in the boiler or open
  * Non-dispatchable: Can’t be turned on and off on demand. If you want more power you need to pray to your deity of choice to make the wind blow or make the sun shine at night.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:02am
- wsk12345
  
  And this is why you have a market where the generators take the risk on generation. None of them are going to deliberately built a wind farm that isn’t profitable. The issue is that they don’t pay the full cost that they impose on the market as a whole as a result of intermittency over a variety of timeframes. If those costs could be determined and imposed it may change their decision making. Not a simple problem – there is obvs some cost in terms of frequency keeping (the second to second balancing of supply and demand) that would be reasonably easy to estimate, but the cost of reserves required due to intermittency within the 1-2 hour timeframe would be much more complex. I’m sure one of the big consultancies could do it in concert with one of the companies that models wind and solar generation data.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:38am
pejhay

So, we’ve just had 2-3 weeks with no rail cars crossing Cook Strait. I have not seen any reports that either Island is suffering because of it…

Please take it from the hands of KiwiRail and the Unions.
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July 11, 2024 9:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Air freight, and Kiwirail across the Straight is history.
  It is about time it just crashed.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:27am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The other ferry can take wagons without a rail slip, this crap you can’t put wagons on ferry without a rail line is a myth, most the trips fine with the other ferry weee freight, they will not have just been trucks
  
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  July 11, 2024 3:07pm
MCōs

An amusing tweet
https://x.com/longstreth_face/status/1810518795246559384?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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July 11, 2024 9:32am
Matt Long

I think this story illustrates most of what is wrong with character development in New Zealand schools, including that the teacher was given special dispensation because of DEI.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/relief-teacher-august-leaupepe-censured-for-throwing-child-out-of-classroom/IRKXCMPR2BG4BJ4TV7E2KC6T6E/
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July 11, 2024 9:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I would like to think the little 10 year old shit learnt a lesson but I doubt it.
  Imagine him in 10 years time – right little bastard.
  Poor teach was unfairly treated imo, but that is how things are today. Kids have rights you know!
  I keep adding 🙂 If I had done that when I was 10 I would get at least 2 swipes on the hand with the strap!
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:39am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Yes. The clear implication is that a “white” teacher would have been crucified for doing the same thing.
  
  The bigger picture is that decades of “progressive” policies have stripped teachers of their authority. The kids have the power, and they know it.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:51am
  - MCōs
    
    Are you suggesting a teacher should have the right to assault a child?
    I’m not a teacher so I’d probably be all at sea in a similar situation, but I do recall from my time at school the worst thing a teacher can do is lose his temper to that extent because the kids would be merciless
    
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    July 11, 2024 11:59am
    - PurplePen
      
      Builds strength of character being exposed to an adult that loses it from time to time. Best to learn early that adults aren’t perfect and can fly off the handle.
      
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      July 11, 2024 5:58pm
Chuck Bird

North Otago farmer, environmentalist, and agri-advocate Jane Smith asks why climate change politics are out of step with scientific reality and why this damages the pastoral farming sector.

https://media.realitycheck.radio/2024/07/2024_07_08_GREENWASHED_JB_JANE_SMITH_REPLAY_RG.mp3
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July 11, 2024 9:39am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The clue as to why is in the word ‘politics’.
  
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  July 11, 2024 1:41pm
Benedict Yu

It is possible that this woman is inventing the story of the dog being a menace, but unlikely.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350328910/plucky-pensioners-fight-stop-barking-dog

The dog inspector visits. No barking. No problem. ☹️

It is insane. If the problem is as persistent as claimed, surely the answer is for the council to install a recording device. Come back after say 72 hours.
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July 11, 2024 9:53am
- greybeard
  
  Or maybe a council employee could visit the woman for a cup of tea and wait for an hour or so to observe the dog first-hand.
  The council has already spent many hours at her place and next door with no result.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:00am
- Maggie Pie
  
  For a start the Council CEO is obviously a moron.
  Blind Freddy can see what’s going on there.
  The owner of the dog should be arrested to begin with and charged with animal cruelty! Just look at the conditions the poor thing is being kept in 🙁
  
  We’ve had Poodles all our lives, and everyone has been devoiced.
  Gladys even has her own bedroom and electric blanket.
  
  What’s wrong with these people?
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:14am
- Matt Long
  
  Sounds like another Silver Blaze Mystery.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:22am
- wsk12345
  
  I suspect there is an issue with the dog parking and howling – but it’s probably for short periods such as after the owner leaves the house, but because she is home 24/7 it feels more frequent. The other neighbours prob don’t hear it because they are at work.
  
  I know that in chch they install monitoring if there are reported issues, find it hard to believe that ashburton doesn’t have a single monitoring device. And they don’t appear to have talked to the other neighbours.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dogs next door to me are a pain, or used to be when puppies. Use to bark at birds and butterflies. Totally bored. Thing is they never bark when someone is home.
  The worst starter is other people walking their dogs up the street (taking them for a shit)
  
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  July 11, 2024 11:01am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The beauty of owning a Poodle rather than a dog,
    is they can be taught to poo on command.
    
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    July 11, 2024 11:18am
imalwaysright

Luxon manages to get some face time with Trudeau.
The one person everyone else tries to avoid.
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July 11, 2024 10:02am
- Damocles11
  
  Awesome that he gets to meet his idol.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:39am
  - Ghost
    
    Yes, awesome, he gets to talk to him about an ongoing issue we have.
    
    he would raise the ongoing dispute New Zealand has with Canada over the access for dairy products
    
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    July 11, 2024 12:15pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, we took them to the TTP tribunal
      
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      July 11, 2024 3:11pm
- MCōs
  
  At the end of the day Trudeau is PM of Canada whatever Mr Luxon may think of the chap.
  Similarly I’m sure he’d jump at the chance to visit the White House regardless of the incumbent. (Whoever it may be would probably forget his name before he left the room)
  
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  July 11, 2024 12:10pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    The smart thing to do would be a quiet side trip to visit President Trump.
    
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    July 11, 2024 12:39pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Well Canada was taken to the TTP tribunal over trade, just perhaps he has a right to quiz him
  
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  July 11, 2024 3:10pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Give Trudeau a couple of million and he’ll say and do whatever you want.
    He has a history of corruption.
    Gadaffis nephew was one of his benefactors:
    
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair
    
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    July 11, 2024 4:00pm
    - MCōs
      
      So would I given the chance
      
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      July 11, 2024 8:45pm
Biscuit

I’ll let the mods confirm or deny it, but I understand DPF will be shutting Kiwiblog down for 24 hours on Monday as we all celebrate Mother England’ superb win over Spain in that day’s Euro 2024 Final.
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July 11, 2024 10:10am
- Matt Long
  
  Cough, coff, choke…
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:23am
- mogg
  
  That was not a penalty!!
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, we took them to the TTP tribunal
  
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  July 11, 2024 3:11pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They will trip at the last hurdle like last time
  
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  July 11, 2024 3:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Finally, I see our Hansard has given a “translation” of sorts of the very long oration Rawiri Waititi made in Parliament on the 28 May 2024.

As I suspected, we are not provided with a full and accurate English translation beyond the first introduction to the Ringatu prayers and chants that followed.

RAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader—Te Pāti Māori):
[Greetings all. Te Whakatōhea, greetings to us all here meeting today. Greetings to us in regards to the matter at hand. We have been waiting for this day for a long time. Our ancestors of the night have been waiting for their descendants, Whakatōhea, to arise for a very long time. We will never be lost, we will never be lost. Despite the suppression of the time. There is only but one thing left to do today. It is to recite karakia. It is to express gratitude. Enough has been said. The acknowledgments have been made. Therefore, dear children of the almighty, the children of Israel. There is only one thing left to do today. It is to express gratitude.

Let us pray.]

[Ringa tū faith prayer]

[Ringa tū faith chant and song]

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20240528_20240528
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July 11, 2024 10:16am
- wsk12345
  
  What a load of word salad.
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:45am
- Gravelroad
  
  I thought the previous government had put a stop to the reciting of prayers in Parliament?
  Or did that just apply to Christian prayers?
  
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  July 11, 2024 11:03am
- John Loveridge
  
  Where do the children of Israel fit into Waititi’s worldview?
  
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  July 11, 2024 1:35pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Ringitu is a religion founded by the “prophet” Rua, and is based on the Old Testament, particularly the psalms, and their chants are similar to the old Jewish chants – in the Maori language of course.
    
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    July 11, 2024 2:22pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      Sounds like cultural appropriation to me.
      
      On another note, I’d have thought that expressions of gratitude are an entirely foreign concept to Rawiri Waititi.
      
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      July 11, 2024 3:19pm
colina

The Government is looking at pumping CO2 underground and storing it there to fight climate change
https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/128649/government-looking-pumping-co2-underground-and-storing-it-there-fight-climate

I thought this guy Simeon Brown was a bright guy.
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July 11, 2024 10:26am
- Damocles11
  
  NZ and it’s 0.017% of global emissions will ‘fight climate change’ and ‘save the planet’ by pumping CO2 underground, while China burns 4 Billion tonnes of coal this year and continues increasing its emissions until 2030. So we are ‘fighting’ a blazing inferno with a thimble full of water, while China pumps gasoline onto it.
  Why are politicians carrying on with this charade? Why are they pandering to the delusions of the Left?
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:39am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    NZ emissions is 0.09%
    
    https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/
    
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    July 11, 2024 10:59am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Who is pushing this nonsense – Brown or Luxon?
    
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    July 11, 2024 11:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Crazy. CO2 is needed to make the trees and veges grow. Why starve them just to meet a
  fictitious target that the brain dead left want? Store underground! For how long? To 2031?
  Same as sea levels rising. Go get two 2 liter containers, go to the beach and take the 4 liters of sea water home and store it in the kitchen cupboard. Now if the over 8 billion people in the World did this, the sea level would lower not rise.
  
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  July 11, 2024 11:14am
  - greybeard
    
    1000 litres of water = 1 cu meter
    
    32 billion litres of water = 32 million cu meters = .032 cu km
    
    Area of earth covered in water = 71% = 361,740,000 sq km
    
    So all of your bucketsful of sea water will have almost no effect on the sea level.
    But give it a go….
    
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    July 11, 2024 11:54am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It’s called satire, or sarc. 🙂
      With math like that why were you not in the Labour Party advising Robertson where he was going wrong?
      
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      July 11, 2024 12:35pm
      - greybeard
        
        He did ask but by that time Adrian Orr had made a better offer.
        
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        July 11, 2024 3:02pm
    - Handyman
      
      Correct, about the same impact as replacing one plastic checkout bag with a paper one. Yet people still do it believing they are “saving the planet”.
      
      Many people plant trees to “save the planet” but secretly know that in 30 years’ time they will be cut down for paper/packaging and returned to the world as CO2 from landfill.
      Plant trees for many reasons; saving the planet should be not one of them.
      
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      July 11, 2024 3:56pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    And the volume of the seas, does NOT include the highly compressed water under the earth’s mantle, inside of rocks.
    
    The finding, published in Science, suggests that a reservoir of water is hidden in the Earth’s mantle, more than 400 miles below the surface. Try to refrain from imagining expanses of underground seas: all this water, three times the volume of water on the surface, is trapped inside rocks.
    
    https://ssec.si.edu/stemvisions-blog/there-ocean-below-your-feet
    
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    July 11, 2024 1:00pm
- John Loveridge
  
  I heard that industry was suffering a CO2 shortage crisis. Can’t Simeon get it pumped into a big tank for soft drinks manufacturers and breweries?
  
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  July 11, 2024 1:37pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Has anyone thought to ask how much difference it will make to the climate (how would you even prove it?), assuming the idiotic idea actually works?
  
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  July 11, 2024 1:37pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Anyone from my generation, could tell you that it will not work, and will significantly compound the problem, but like Covid Vaccines, Climate Change and Continuous wars, it WILL keep making billionaires.
    
    [1] Humans depend on O2 to live.
    
    [2] Mother nature has CO2 to O2 machinery consisting of a gigantic chamber called the atmosphere filled with lichens, moss, grass, and greenery, that converts CO2 to O2. And the whole process is powered by sunlight.
    
    [3] Pumping CO2 underground means that the removed CO2 will no longer be able to go through Mother nature’s machinery and be converted back to O2.
    
    [4] Mother nature’s machinery is both responsive, has feedback cycles, conversion buffers, and is able to dynamically alter the rate of conversion. Removing CO2 from Mother nature’s natural cycles will upset the natural cycle.
    
    [5] The cost and energy required to extract the CO2 is not trivial, and at the same time, the human machinery required to extract the CO2, is producing more CO2.
    
    Ideas like this are put forward by people who don’t understand science.
    
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    July 11, 2024 2:41pm
- JackRabbit
  
  The idea of pumping CO2 underground, automatically tells me the the creator of the idea, does not understand the truth about “climate change”, they do not understand the O2/CO2 cycle, and do not understand high school science or physics.
  
  I went to high school with a few people like that. Unable to listen/focus/understand, and just rote crammed for exams.
  
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  July 11, 2024 2:27pm
Damocles11

Macron has written a letter to France calling for a broad centrist coalition to be formed. The below text is from The Guardian, laughable that actual self-declared communists are seen as a mainstream party whereas if you are anti-immigration you are ‘far right’.

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‘His wording appeared designed to exclude Marine Le Pen’s National Rally (RN), but also implicitly the radical left France Unbowed (LFI) of Jean-Luc Mélenchon, which is the largest party in the New Popular Front (NFP) alliance that emerged as the surprise election winner.
NFP, which also includes the centre-left socialist, green and communist parties, won 182 of the assembly’s 577 seats and can count on the support of another 10 or so left-leaning MPs, while Macron’s centrist coalition returned 168 MPs. The pre-vote frontrunner, the far-rightRN, was third with 143.’
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July 11, 2024 10:34am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I am lead to believe (if I am right) that Macron and Melenchon dislike each other with a passion so hard they never even speak to each other….
  
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  July 11, 2024 10:58am
MCōs

I’ve just read a book called Getting Out of Saigon written by Ralph White a 27yo employee of Chase Bank who was charged with closing the Saigon branch and getting as many of the employees out of South Vietnam before the North captured the city, which he did with a day to spare
All fifty workers plus immediate family were evacuated
Incredibly harrowing story
The refugees were resettled in America by Chase
I read elsewhere the Vietnamese refugees in general have been the only ones generally accepted by the American public
The book is a good read, particularly if you remember those years
Spoiler
IBM left their people behind waiting at the office with their bags ready to go
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July 11, 2024 10:48am
- Blog-aholic
  
  IBM have been doing that to staff since Adam was a cowboy. They have a reputation for sucking up as many all comers they can, churning them and spitting out the ones that don’t cut it.
  Then those that do have a life span in the company that life span is measured by how long it takes for their personal wick to burn out.
  
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  July 11, 2024 11:02am
- kowtow
  
  ‘IBM left their people behind waiting at the office with their bags ready to go’
  
  Why didn’t the South Vietnamese fight for their own freedom ,it wasn’t IBM’s or Chase’s war .
  
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  July 11, 2024 11:36am
  - MCōs
    
    What were they going to do?
    Throw their suitcases at the tanks?
    
    There was a civil war between north and the south who were backed by the US & others including us.
    The US pulled the plug and the south lost
    Civilians who worked for the American banks, IBM, etc were seen as collaborators and in danger of mass execution. Consequently they were evacuated, mostly.
    The American Ambassador, Gordon Martin, was a delusional character who believed right to the eleventh hour the war could be won and only exacerbated the situation.
    Read the book
    
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    July 11, 2024 12:39pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    They did fight, and they died in huge numbers, in including 100’s of thousands of civilians from starvation and purges after they were defeated. The South Vietnamese hate the North, they still privately call their city Saigon not evil Ho Chi Fucking Minh City.
    
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    July 11, 2024 1:16pm
    - kowtow
      
      ‘The South Vietnamese hate the North’
      
      Is that why so many joined the the VC.
      
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      July 11, 2024 2:33pm
    - MCōs
      
      I went to that city about twenty years later and although it’s called Ho Chi Minh City it was also openly referred to as Saigon (or Sai Gon)
      The currency is the dong, but American dollars were also widely used.
      We went to the old South Vietnam president’s palace and a tour guide showed the two of us round. In one room was a big map of the country taking up a whole wall will lines and arrows and a list of enemy countries including NZ. I’d told the guide previously I was a Kiwi so I felt a little awkward.
      As with the city name and the irony of the currency it was no drama at all.
      
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      July 11, 2024 9:07pm
DeepBlue

Now that it is out, I’ll add some points.

1. When the Interislander crashed I took a screenshot of the AIS path. A quick pencil overlay confirmed my suspicion the course change was heading directly for the next way point. It had been engaged too early.

2. Autopilot does not recognise what is in front of it. That peninsula be dammed, it was taking a direct route to the programmed next waypoint.

3. Putting the ferry into and out of autopilot is a bridge management and staff training issue. It has nothing to do with how old the ferry is. Since 2007, this has been the system.

4. If this happened elsewhere in say Tory Channel in high seas it would be a true disaster. The MSM have been slow, once again, to investigate the real issue here: are KiwiRail the right organisation to operate ferries?
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July 11, 2024 11:00am
- Taieri
  
  The MSM have been slow, once again, to investigate the real issue here
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  This is not for MSM (or any other media) to investigate. There are two entities in NZ that will investigate this incident, Maritime NZ and Transport Accident Investigation Commission. While I haven’t got an overly positive opinion of Maritime NZ, the other outfit (TAIC) is very professional and very good at what they do. Or at least they were, when I had some dealings with them in the past.
  
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  July 11, 2024 12:50pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    I believe fully “gutted” out by now with “yes” people and DEI hires with bugger all Maritime Training.
    
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    July 11, 2024 2:29pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  What I would ask is
  
  1 Where are the officers sourced from??
  
  2 How do we know that their certificates are kosher??
  
  Since the demise of USSCo, NZ has not trained any seafarers for Deck positions.
  
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  July 11, 2024 12:58pm
  - Taieri
    
    Since the demise of USSCo, NZ has not trained any seafarers for Deck positions
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    As far as I know, Holcim, Bluebridge and Interislander still take cadets on.
    
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    July 11, 2024 3:41pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Do they get any training on overseas vessels???
      
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      July 11, 2024 4:54pm
      - Taieri
        
        There are no foreign going ships left in NZ.
        
        Maybe Swire Shipping does some training as well, but I’m not sure.
        
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        July 11, 2024 5:05pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Mum and her 2 daughters murdered this morning by crossbow-weilding retard
who had just been jilted by the youngest daughter last week.

The killers brother is already in jail for murder.
When you look at their photos, what is the first thing you think?

https://x.com/newscomauHQ/status/1811173596016091157
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July 11, 2024 11:14am
- ISeeRed
  
  What did the girls at tennis think of first?
  
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  July 11, 2024 12:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Why are men of Islamic appearance sooo savage?
    
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    July 11, 2024 2:55pm
    - Keith White
      
      It’s their cult.
      
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      July 11, 2024 4:28pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think the daughters look considerably browner than their parents
  
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  July 11, 2024 8:46pm
Ghost

David Tamihere’s bid to clear his name for murdering two Swedish backpackers, has failed.

Article
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July 11, 2024 12:23pm
- Damocles11
  
  Good.
  
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  July 11, 2024 12:29pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Broooo….
  
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  July 11, 2024 12:34pm
Ghost

Good to see, but we’ll have to see what the end result is

The Government is setting up a ministerial advisory group for the victims of retail crime.

The group would engage “directly with victims, workers, business owners, retail experts and advocacy groups over the next two years to provide specific proposals to address urgent challenges in retail crime,” Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith said in a release on Thursday.

Article
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July 11, 2024 12:38pm
- Mike
  
  That’s another can safely kicked down the road.
  
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  July 11, 2024 1:18pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Would be if Hipkins was still in, this government want Labours crime dealt with
    
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    July 11, 2024 3:19pm
- kowtow
  
  Sir Humphrey Appleby would be proud of this minister being seen to do something.
  
  Here’s a novel solution. get the courts to send the shits to a new set of megaprisons to do some real Porridge, like in the good ole days.
  
  Simple ,really.
  
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  July 11, 2024 1:36pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Let’s hope Kaise or what ever his name is the spokesman for small business is on the list
  
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  July 11, 2024 3:19pm
  - MCōs
    
    His name is Sunny Kaushal
    
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    July 11, 2024 9:11pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Who’s up who and who’s paying?

Oh wait, it’s us 🙁

People with knowledge of the matter are asking….

“WTF’s going on at MUMA and WOCA?”

https://x.com/CranmerWrites/status/1811151540507529440
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July 11, 2024 12:50pm
Souvlaki

Whew eh……rhetorical question eh Maggie 😉
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July 11, 2024 1:00pm
cmm

Just stopped at a Z station that had a row of EV chargers.
Wow, I thought, brave of them to make the investment.

Then I walked past and there’s a sign saying Funded by EECA.

Bullshit. It’s funded by me, the net tax payer.
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July 11, 2024 1:15pm
- greybeard
  
  Most people haven’t a clue as to what the EECA may be or from where it gets its money.
  
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  July 11, 2024 2:59pm
Chuck Bird

Jill Biden’s Complicity in Forcing Joe Biden to Continue Running, with Stu Burguiere and Dave Marcus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQmnbhwsE6o
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July 11, 2024 1:33pm
Ghost

The House Oversight Committee subpoenaed three top White House aides on Wednesday, and has demanded that they sit for depositions concerning President Joe Biden’s health – and who’s actually running the country.

Article

Joe’s plug is slowly being pulled.
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July 11, 2024 2:27pm
- David Garrett
  
  Ghost: bugger me…how long can this painful drama go on before someone says “enough Joe”? Apparently George Clooney has already tried.
  
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  July 11, 2024 3:15pm
  - MCōs
    
    All the way to November, Mr Trump and his fellow travelers will be hoping
    Anyone in NZ who is part of an organization that trades with the US, not so much
    
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    July 11, 2024 4:41pm
- lifesgood
  
  Well I think everyone knows it’s Obama running the country. What an absolute disgrace! Of course Obama wants Biden there so he can continue to take control and pulls the strings. Anyone else notice how many current pictures and video shots of Biden have Obama in them? It’s weird.
  
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  July 11, 2024 4:13pm
  - MCōs
    
    I didn’t know that
    I suppose I’ll have to take your word for it
    In the event Mr Trump becomes president who will actually be running the country. Please say it’s not him
    
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    July 11, 2024 4:45pm
Master Mariner

NATO amassing 500k troops on Nato Eastern Flank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o-bwolt-pc

JUST IN: Secretary General of NATO Jens Stoltenberg Holds Press Conference During NATO Summit
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July 11, 2024 2:41pm
- Taieri
  
  And Chinese soldiers are exercising with Belarus army near Polish border. Things are not looking well at all.
  
  https://apnews.com/article/belarus-china-military-drill-poland-8558b0e413351caa89cfbb3c4441f016
  
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  July 11, 2024 5:09pm
Handyman

Interesting sense of what the Herlad rates as news.
“Food prices drop for the first time in six years” story relegated in small font to business section.

“New Zealand already running out of gas for electricity production” not appearing on page at all.
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July 11, 2024 4:18pm
Maggie Pie

My partner txts…

‘It’s the dog I feel sorry for’ 🙁

https://7news.link/3xOsDdy
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July 11, 2024 4:30pm
M.Solvent

I usually tend to agree with Robert Maccolloch’s take on things, but I find it hard to follow the logic in his latest blog post. “Thank goodness we have one MP, Paul Goldsmith, who Stands up for Property Rights in NZ. Shame on the ACT Party & the Tax Payers Union for not doing so.” https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/thank-goodness-we-have-one-mp-paul-goldsmith-who-stands-up-for-property-rights-in-nz-shame-on-th

The post argues that the property rights of MSM content creators should be protected, but doesn’t explain how property rights are being breached under the status quo. There are already laws in place protecting copyright and IP. It seems to me that the argument is for an extension to what can be considered a breach of property rights.

His examples of JK Rowling and Paul McCartney being paid for the content they created are not analogous. They do not put their content on their websites to be read or listened to free of charge. If they did, presumably they would want traffic directed to their websites to view the content.

The post doesn’t adequately deal with the likely consequence of the Bill, that the social media companies will stop featuring NZ news links. Why should NZ pass law now knowing that it is more likely to have a negative effect on MSM revenue than a positive one (ie. knowing that the costs will be higher than the benefits)?

The post seems to acknowledge that there are gains from being elevated by social media: “I’d be delighted if big digital platforms had to pay for articles from MainStreamMedia, but not from Blogs like DownToEarth.Kiwi. A likely consequence would be they refused to pay for articles from the MSM & instead sourced news & commentary from Blogs like this one, which are free, which would hugely elevate us.”. For me this passage is a very strong argument against supporting the Bill.
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July 11, 2024 4:37pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Biden “expresses his love for New Zealand”
in meeting with Luxon at The White House

– NZHorrid

LOL!! Bet he couldn’t point to us on a map 😎
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July 11, 2024 5:22pm
- Ghost
  
  Got to admit that luxon was a smart man and made sure Joe couldn’t sniff his hair..
  
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  July 11, 2024 5:33pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀
    
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    July 11, 2024 5:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Spelling Maggie.
  
  “LOL!! Bet he couldn’t point to USA on a map
  
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  July 11, 2024 5:51pm
  - MCōs
    
    It’s over here, Joe
    https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=head%20as%20world%20globe&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5#vhid=Y6TbltpPquvJlM&vssid=mosaic&ip=1
    
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    July 11, 2024 9:15pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350340079/queen-gives-puppy-same-name-her-grandson
Well, it could have been much worse:
She could have named her grandson after her favourite puppy.
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