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slightlyrighty

Today marks 116 days of Darlene Tana essentially occupying a Green List Seat under false pretences.

To put that into perspective, The Parliament Grounds Occupation was 23 days.

The Moutua Gardens Occupation was 79 days.
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July 9, 2024 8:03am
- Simon
  
  If Tana remains in parliament this will further embarrass the Gweens. Gweens might even have to show NZ how much Gween principals are worth by using waka jumping crap.
  
  MSM is now basically working hard for the Gweens pouring as much shit on Tana as possible to force her out instead of the Gweens having to fire her.
  
  Stand strong Darleen its what George Floyd would want you to do.
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:36am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I was opposed to the ‘Waka Jumping’ law. More properly section 55A of the Electoral Act 1993.
    
    I have changed my mind. I don’t think that electorate MPs should ever be able to be forced out of parliament by their Party. List MPs are effectively a product of their parties. If the Greens don’t trigger the law, they can wear the consequences.
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:04am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Benedict,
      
      The ‘Waka Jumping’ law does not apply here or does not need to apply.
      
      Chloe has fired her from caucus. If she wanted to get rid of her, all she has to do is remove Darlene Tana from the Green Party List.
      
      At that point, not being an elected representative or on a party list, she is a gone burger. Greens have 15 seats in the house, but only 14 MPs listed on the Greens website.
      
      So Darlene Tana is still a Greens MP, but not part of caucus. The long delay in Swarbrick and Davidson doing anything tends to suggest 2 things:
      
      [1] That they don’t see anything that much wrong with what Darlene Tana has done, but for the sake of optics they have imposed a penalty and perhaps may bring her “back into the fold” later.
      
      [2] However, Darlene Tana response to the report is telling. She rejects it outright. She can’t be an independent MP, as she is only in Parliament on the Greens list.
      
      So either her attitude is all part of the optics and charades.
      
      OR:
      
      Darlene Tana has probably said that if she goes down, that she will take down Swarbrick (and Davidson) down with her, or release information further damming to the Green Party.
      
      Unless of course Swarbrick (and Davidson) simply do not have the backbone to be brutal and remove her from the list.
      
      But I suspect that given the makeup of the Greens party, and the shit that has gone down with GG and others, that there is more dirty laundry to be aired, unless Tana get what she wants.
      
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      July 9, 2024 9:57am
      - Manu-Rau
        
        There is another possibility: Tana joins Te Pati Maori, and the Greens demand another List MP, to bring them back to 15.
        
        All of which means the Left gain another seat.
        
        I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Tana, the Greens and TPM aren’t already colluding to this end.
        
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        July 9, 2024 11:21am
      - Ghost
        
        Nope, can’t happen. The only way they get a new mp is if she resigns or is Waka jumped
        
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        July 9, 2024 11:49am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Reply to Manu: I think Tana cannot join the Maori Party as a List MP. TPM are over quota for MPs as they have more electoral seats than their Party vote would otherwise permit.
        
        An interesting constitutional point.
        
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        July 9, 2024 12:52pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        No you are wrong. If the MP won’t resign from parliament, the only other lawful way she can be removed from parliament is by invoking section 55A of the Electoral Act 1993.
        
        “Chloe has fired her from caucus. If she wanted to get rid of her, all she has to do is remove Darlene Tana from the Green Party List.”
        
        No it does not work like that. There is no such provision in the Electoral Act.
        
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        July 9, 2024 1:15pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “I think Tana cannot join the Maori Party as a List MP.”
        
        She most certainly could.
        
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        July 9, 2024 1:17pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @NeverMindTheBollocks @ 12:52PM
        
        I think Tana cannot join the Maori Party as a List MP.
        
        Bolly, backing up Benedict’s response to you.
        
        Darleen Tana is a free person living in a free society. She can do whatever she likes, within the law, including resigning from one political party and joining another.
        
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        July 9, 2024 5:50pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      Certainly electorate MPs should not be forced out of parliament. They are elected by the voters in their electorate. The party does not own them. They are owned by their constituents.
      
      Yes, the case could be made that a member was elected under the umbrella of the party and when they cease to be a member of that party they lose their warrant, so to speak.
      
      But when an MP resigns for a party or is dismissed by a party, they become an independent and I think they should be allowed to continue until the next election. But they should not be allowed to represent another party which I always thought was the fundamental reason to have the waka jumping law in the first place.
      
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      July 9, 2024 10:28am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        “But they should not be allowed to represent another party which I always thought was the fundamental reason to have the waka jumping law in the first place.”
        
        But how would you stop her voting with the Maori Party?
        
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        July 9, 2024 11:19am
      - thirteenstars
        
        “But how would you stop her voting with the Maori Party?”
        
        How do you stop National MPs voting with Labour? In fact they’re going to do it over the bailout for the media with National picking up Labour’s bill and the two parties voting for it.
        
        When you’ve got complicity and corruption like that I hardly think a Green MP voting with TPM is an issue. Hell, the Greens and TMP are so closely aligned on most issues they might as well merge.
        
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        July 9, 2024 12:08pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        But when an MP resigns for a party or is dismissed by a party, they become an independent and I think they should be allowed to continue until the next election.
        
        That only applies if they were an electorate MP.
        
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        July 9, 2024 10:59pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      I’ve always considered electorate and list MPs two very different propositions when it comes to canoe swapping. List MPs should be immediately shoved out the door and replaced.
      
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      July 9, 2024 7:14pm
  - pdm
    
    Simon – if one can believe Chloe and believing her does stretch credibility, the Greens have given Tana the bumsrush. She is now `persona non grata’ as far as the Green Caucus is concerned.
    
    But she can still stay in Parliament if she asks Speaker `Big Gerry’ nicely.
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Puts Gerry on the spot. If he says she can stay the right will scream. If he says DCM the left will scream.
      I like hearing the left scream.
      
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      July 9, 2024 9:13am
      - Skippytony
        
        If the test is “does this change the balance of power?” then he should let her stay as a lefty independent, I dont see how a minor opposition party being down 1 changes anything – whats their block vote worth at the moment?
        
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        July 9, 2024 9:21am
      - rouppe
        
        It’s not up to Gerry to say whether she stays or goes. It is for the Greens to invoke the waka jumping clause at which point he can decide on the matter.
        
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        July 9, 2024 10:00am
      - Ghost
        
        I’m surprised how many here have little idea just what the speakers can and can’t do
        
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        July 9, 2024 10:39am
    - JackRabbit
      
      But she can still stay in Parliament if she asks Speaker `Big Gerry’ nicely.
      
      She can still stay in Parliament because she is still on the Greens list.
      
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      July 9, 2024 9:58am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        No it has nothing to do with the Green List. She can stay in Parliament because she is an elected MP.
        
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        July 9, 2024 1:21pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Bendict
        
        She is not an elected MP. She is there because she is on the list. If she falls off the list, her list privileges are revoked.
        
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        July 9, 2024 2:26pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        I think you will find that she is a List MP, not an elected MP.
        
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        July 9, 2024 3:01pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Tana is 13th on the Green list. She is not an elected MP.
        She stood in the Tāmaki Makaurau seat and did not make it against Te Maori Party.
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521588/who-is-darleen-tana-and-why-is-she-quitting-the-greens#
        
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        July 9, 2024 3:47pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        No, she isn’t an elected MP. She is there as a result of her party’s share of the votes. If she no longer belongs to the party she should leave immediately. No two ways about it.
        
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        July 9, 2024 7:17pm
  - peterwn
    
    Simon Bridges was not prepared to use the Waka Hopping laws against JLR for similar reasons to the Greens not wanting to use it. Also Simon considered that JLR had a good chance of successfully challenging any attempted removal in court.
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:17am
    - pdm
      
      Bridges would know a bit more about Court Challenges than anyone in the Greens.
      
      He was a Public Prosecutor before entering Parliament as I recall.
      
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      July 9, 2024 10:18am
      - Positan
        
        Police prosecutor as I recall.
        
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        July 9, 2024 10:24am
      - peterwn
        
        Simon Bridges (or his firm) had a Crown Law warrant for the Tauranga area (I think). In that role he would have acted for the Government on both civil and criminal matters. He would have done the more serious prosecutions on behalf of the Police and other agencies eg IRD. The Police however handle minor prosecutions themselves but their prosecutors are not lawyers although some study law on the side.
        I suspect Simon found deficiencies in the Waka Hopper bill when introduced in 2018 but kept quiet (and continues to keep quiet) about them.
        
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        July 9, 2024 11:24am
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, he left the Auckland law firm and became a Crown prosecutor
        
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        July 9, 2024 11:27am
  - imalwaysright
    
    The Greens want her out of Parliament so that she doesnt join the maori party.
    That is the natural home of anyone the greens don’t want, and corruption doesn’t seem to affect membership either.
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:50am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      They can stop her becoming a Maori Party MP.
      
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      July 9, 2024 1:22pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        If she joins the Maori party list as an MP, another person on the Maori list would have to stand down.
        
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        July 9, 2024 11:01pm
      - Ghost
        
        No they don’t.
        
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        July 10, 2024 12:58am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She has only stood down from the greens, she disagrees with the findings, resigning from parliament would be admission of guilt, she will be a stink pong around the Greens for ever, all cause must have scribble faces
    
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    July 9, 2024 1:34pm
- greybeard
  
  The average length of human gestation is 280 days.
  ( Just thought I would toss that in ).
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:43am
  - Paulus
    
    Believe it an Avocado has a gestation time of 280 days also.
    
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    July 9, 2024 11:14am
    - greybeard
      
      Apparently coconuts have the same time frame, from flowering to maturity in about 9 months.
      Are we on to something here ?
      
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      July 9, 2024 4:23pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        Darlene was more like 280 days from full bloom to putrefaction.
        
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        July 9, 2024 7:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  As Winston Peters pointed out this morning on RNZ:
  
  The NZ taxpayer paid for the Green report on Darleen Tana, so why can’t we see it?
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018946009/acting-prime-minister-on-greens-darleen-tana-scandal
  (at 1:04)
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:53am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    ‘Privacy’ can be thrown at so many unpleasant aspects…
    
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    July 9, 2024 8:55am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Not false pretences. This is MMP functioning as designed, by letting people into Parliament that voters would never choose to elect. Sometimes you have to let people experience the consequences of their actions, and everyone who voted for MMP deserves to experience two and a half more years of Darlene Tana in Parliament.
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:16am
  - Quail
    
    Absolutely agree NK ,MMP has created an anti democratic system where party bureaucracy selects people in a governance role without reference to the ballot box .
    New Zealand voters have been disenfranchised.
    Example :a Green MP achieved substantially less than 20% in her electorate, entered parliament on the list and was given a minister’s portfolio.!
    This is not democratic .
    This and similar is a substantial cause of the troubles troubles afflicting NZ today!
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:42am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      It seems to me, under MMP democracy ends as soon as the votes have been counted. After that the party bosses get together & decide which policies they will keep, who gets which position, & who will run the country. I think the Australian STV system is better. At least all candidates are assigned an electorate & the voters get to eyeball them.
      
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      July 9, 2024 12:13pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        No.
        
        The “Australian STV system” is the Majority-Preferential Vote (PV) in single-member electoral divisions. The only improvement over FPP is that the winner in each division requires an absolute majority of the votes to win, not merely a plurality, i.e., receiving as few as one vote more than any other candidate.
        
        In my view, we are not going back to FPP (nor will we ever adopt PV). If we abandon MMP at some point in the future, it must surely be to adopt STV in (large) multimember electoral districts.
        
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        July 9, 2024 6:34pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Is there actually a reason why we can’t have a law that specifies that List MPs serve at the pleasure of their Party leader/caucus and that if they resign from their Party or are expelled from it, they are no longer an MP?
    
    Electorate MP’s are voted in by their electorates; if one leaves, a by-election can be held to choose another.
    
    But List MP’s are there to make up their Party’s share of the vote and the public voted on the List with its Party vote. So if one leaves, the next on the list should replace them.
    
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    July 9, 2024 3:02pm
    - david
      
      Essentially that was the intention of the waka jumping law but there were safeguards to ensure party leaders could not “fire at will” which was the fear when you had a one-man-band like “Winston-first”.
      
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      July 9, 2024 3:20pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        Imagine being in the front line and being named Will.
        
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        July 9, 2024 7:21pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Is there actually a reason why we can’t have a law that specifies that List MPs serve at the pleasure of their Party leader/caucus and that if they resign from their Party or are expelled from it, they are no longer an MP?
      
      That already exists in the form that MPs are either elected or enter in on the party list. It is a given that if those conditions are no longer met, they cannot be in parliament. This can happen by losing a by-election in an electorate or being tossed off a party list.
      
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      July 9, 2024 11:05pm
- Handyman
  
  Where was the other co leader of the Green Party?
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:31am
  - rouppe
    
    Having chemotherapy probably
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Recovering from Breast cancer surgery on 3rd July.
    She is on leave for 4 months.
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:14am
    - Handyman
      
      My bad. I forgot.
      
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      July 9, 2024 10:55am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      So how could she have had a large input in meetings over the weekend? That’s what Chloe said
      
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      July 9, 2024 1:37pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Heard of Zoom ?
        
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        July 9, 2024 3:03pm
      - wsk12345
        
        I’m sure even if she was sleeping she could provide her full intellectual clout.
        
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        July 9, 2024 3:20pm
- JackRabbit
  
  slightlyrighty,
  
  It’s not false pretences. She has not been removed from the party list. Greens have 15 seats in the house and there are 14 MPs on the Greens website.
  
  If she was no longer on the list, she would have been replaced. She probably knows where the bodies are buried or which Green (MP) was in Scotties when GG was helping herself, or one of a number of other “self help ” activities GG was involved in.
  
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  July 9, 2024 10:05am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    If Tana has made false declarations to her party leadership that resulted in her nomination being approved, as appears to be the case, then yes, she is there under false pretence.
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:46am
  - wsk12345
    
    The MSM would never report any such allegations so I don’t think that can be the issue.
    
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    July 9, 2024 12:17pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not true, if she goes out of the greens like she has she can come independent, the Greens lose one seat and will not get another unless she resigns from parliament
    
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    July 9, 2024 1:43pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      If she goes off the Green list, she is replaced by someone else on the Green list. That is how MMP works.
      
      If you get thrown off the All Blacks list, you are off. You can’t rock up to a Rugby test as an independent.
      
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      July 9, 2024 2:29pm
- rangitoto
  
  Poor Darlene. A bunch of whitey gweens are picking on a maori wahine.
  
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  July 9, 2024 11:05am
  - Conservatarian
    
    14 days for a report to conclude Tana is guilty and then 100+ days considering how to dodge accusations of racism-sexism and when / how to apply waka jumping legislation and the Green Party constitution.
    
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    July 9, 2024 2:24pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      It’s not Waka jumping. If she is removed from the party list she is gone and the next person on the party list moves up one, and becomes an MP. That is how MMP works.
      
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      July 9, 2024 11:08pm
      - Ghost
        
        No. She either resigns or has to be Waka jumped
        
        Removing her from.the list doesn’t expell her from parliament
        
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        July 10, 2024 12:57am
- Graham Sharpe
  
  New Prejoratives for the Greens:
  A caucus short of an MP;
  Not the sharpest MP in the caucus;
  The caucus is on but there’s no MPs at home.
  
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  July 10, 2024 10:14am
Bridgenag

Global News Round-up: Let them Eat Bugs
Welcome to the New World Order Diet, and Klaus raises the specter of yet more globalized fascism.

“If you see Acheta protein in a product, know that it has been adulterated with insect protein (aka cricket protein powder)
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“We must embrace innovation and force the collaboration across sectors, regions, nations, and cultures to create the more peaceful, inclusive, sustainable, and resilient future. At this critical juncture, the active participation of all stakeholders is essential.
Klaus Schwab, June 25, 2024”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/global-news-round-up-let-them-eat?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 9, 2024 8:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  Acheta isn’t adulterated with insect protein… it is insect protein… from male house crickets. Apparently the ladies don’t taste as good.
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:25am
  - Omni Consumer Products
    
    The Product has been adulterated…
    
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    July 9, 2024 11:47am
  - Geri Sjovik
    
    Sounds fishy to me.
    
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    July 9, 2024 8:43pm
- rouppe
  
  Sounds a bit like the reasons the Khmer Rouge used for their “forced” work camps
  
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  July 9, 2024 10:07am
  - ISeeRed
    
    They had Year Zero. We have Net Zero. SSDD.
    
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    July 9, 2024 12:21pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Here’s another immigrant exploiting newer immigrants; not the first time either. I should add that the story doesn’t state that Jafar Kurisi, aka Tauranga Ali is himself an immigrant – call it a wild stab in the dark on my part.

You would think that Tauranga Ali would be outski, but no. In fact, he dodged prison and was given time off HD for his early guilty plea, reparation payment and also for his ill health and age (60!).

No doubt he’s an NZ citizen. I also have no doubt that he was not a person of good character when he applied for residency and citizenship, though he would have claimed to be. Therefore, in my view, NZ retains the right to strip these off him.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350335913/migrant-exploitation-ringleader-sentenced-exploiting-kiwifruit-workers
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July 9, 2024 8:04am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Aaannnddd – here’s another one. This time we have an East Asian exploiting other, more recently arrived East Asians.
  
  Home D & reparations is the going rate, it seems.
  
  Meanwhile, in the eyes of the world, NZ’s reputation as a place where migrants are treated fairly continues to plummet.
  
  http://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/09/dominos-franchise-owner-sentenced-for-migrant-exploitation/
  
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  July 9, 2024 6:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Here’s the judgement on the Siouxsie Wiles employment case

(53 pages long)

https://employmentcourt.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Decisions/2024-NZEmpC-123-Wiles-v-University-of-Auckland.pdf?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1O6beqhsG1gz7VbtuF7y5cKuftN4zVeMJSdlisMwz70WfeU7lo0u2wCuU_aem_9KmLe7tQxkB9l2Ve3qP6Qg
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July 9, 2024 8:05am
- Maggie Pie
  
  20K!! Pfft. I wouldn’t even get out of bed for that 🙁
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:08am
  - john1234
    
    It does seem like a token “go away” payment. If there’s no costs awarded then it’s a lose.
    
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    July 9, 2024 8:30am
  - MCōs
    
    What would you get into bed for?
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Geeze! She has money under the mattress and has to guard it.
      Just like Donald Trump has 4 million dollars in cash if it was needed.
      Come on MCos.
      
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      July 9, 2024 4:28pm
  - pdm
    
    MP – Let alone bike 5ks to go swimming with a friend during a Level 4 lockdown.
    
    Siouxsie Wiles is a hypocrite of the first order.
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:11am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Siouxsie Wiles is a hypocrite of the first order.
      
      That is a defining character attribute of left wing party members.
      
      Ask anyone that carried out PCR tests and have let the cat out of the bag, the PCR and those that push it, and for that matter the Rat Tests, are fear mongering snake oil salesmen.
      
      Siouxsie Wiles going swimming during lockdown because she knew it was safe.
      
      David Clark going driving and mountain biking during lockdown because he knew it was safe.
      
      Dr Baker saying that the traffic light system would not save lives, but would force people to get vaccinated. Baker does not believe anything he says about Covid, Bird Flu or the Vaccines. Someone has him over a barrel. It is also revealed by his body language and highly controlled scripted robotic statements.
      
      Ardern knew it was safe which is why she never wore a mask, or a hazmat suit, during the supposed 5% IFR and R5 and was out in public in 2020 hugging, kissing and taking group selfies during the election campaign. Her pulpit of truth stats were from the “WorldoMeter” website that is controlled by WHO.
      
      Does that sound like a person that stated there was a 5% chance of dying if infected and also stated that the very high R number meant 80,000 were going to die if not locked down?
      
      She only started wearing masks when there a mountain of pushback on blogs and facebook, which her staff were monitoring, revealing her duplicity. So for the sake of optics she started wearing a cloth mask that as we know does sweet FA. It was about the optics.
      
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      July 9, 2024 10:22am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        That’s the least of her hypocrisy. She tried to get three of the Listener 7 ejected from RSNZ for daring to speak truth to power about maatauranga, and now she expects her employer to protect her from blowback when she speaks out on controversial topics.
        
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        July 9, 2024 11:19am
      - kowtow
        
        I’d forgotten about the beach bash .
        
        But Wiles paddled while her pal actually swam.
        
        Recall the knighted Bloomers declared it wasn’t swimming though we had ( and surely he too) the evidence in front of him.
        
        Talking of a scientificevidenceapproach to the scam though , recall Wiles at the outset was against masks!
        
        How reality was so twisted during that truly dystopian time.
        
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        July 9, 2024 12:25pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @kowtow
        
        Bloomers is and was always a WHO stooge. That he served as DG of health was part of the pantomime.
        
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        July 9, 2024 2:32pm
    - Clyde
      
      She is nothing other than a self-promoting air-head who is desperately seeking publicity. Should fit into the University of Otago quite well. Can join Grunter and the rest of the Liemore Pardy.
      
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      July 9, 2024 10:38am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nope. Top dog at the United Nations is her goal.
        Control control control.
        Have you not watched the President of International Socialist Youth speech in 2009?
        
        Here ya go Clyde.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
        
        She was known then to be future trouble. Do you disagree?
        
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        July 9, 2024 4:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    20K makes it safer for her.
    The pink terror.
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:02am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Perhaps she would be safer if her hair wasn’t such a beacon!
      
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      July 9, 2024 11:43am
- kevn
  
  Maggy… A great addition to the pink haired ones CV.
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:38am
  - backster
    
    I’m sure there would be a job for one with her expertise either at Otago University or as lady in waiting to Dame Jacinda.
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:06am
- Master Mariner
  
  This stood out amongst others,
  “Mr Campbell said it was incredibly valuable to have a local credible source of
  scientific information and analysis. He noted that universities promote their
  academics for public use and that he always understood that having experts giving
  public commentary was part of the way universities marketed themselves to the nonacademic world. He commented that Associate Professor Wiles was very available
  for interviews;”
  
  In other words, Another “Useful Idiot”.
  
  Further more,
  “He referred to
  “Brand Siouxsie” and remarked that:
  There is a significant difference between engaging in normal academic
  discourse through meetings and other engagements and hiring oneself as a celebrity speaker.”
  
  So even the University recognised her as no more than a “celebrity Speaker”.
  So again we were mis informed ?
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:53am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I can’t be bothered reading the judgement. However this person promoted herself as “New Zealand’s Dr Fauci”. It was a personal choice. She waded into the most polarising issue of a generation.
    
    Of course she was going to attract vitriol. Her appearance with the pink hair made it worse. Yes that is unfair but she lives in the real world
    
    Also, is she in the top 10 best qualified New Zealanders to comment on a pandemic? If not why did she promote herself as the go to expert, every day at one point? Was it a chore that she endured through the pain of expressed hatred, every day? She had a choice. She was not going to be penalised by her employer if she had retreated back into her office.
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:16am
    - Skippytony
      
      Did she benefit financially from any of those interviews?
      
      Actions have consequences – its a hard lesson to learn…..
      
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      July 9, 2024 9:24am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That’s a good question to ask “Safe and Effective” Ardern.
        I am convinced these people do not make a noise for nothing.
        
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        July 9, 2024 10:06am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Not according to the finding,
        However made 100k for 3 “celebrity ” tv shows which according to her she gave to medical centre.
        
        15 mins off fame , was her reward , thinking it would last forever. You reap what you sow.
        
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        July 9, 2024 10:30am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Earned $100k from being on the books of a celebrity talent agency apparently.
        
        Which of course she donated to the research programme that pays her bills!
        
        Almost Archewell levels of philanthropy.
        
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        July 9, 2024 10:38am
      - Grumpy Silver Top
        
        In my experience, she used any money paid for appearances to fund her post grad students’ research.
        
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        July 9, 2024 2:33pm
    - Burtland
      
      the price you pay for a tick-box
      – Dr Siouxsie Wiles MNZM, Kiwibank NZer of the Year 2021
      
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      July 9, 2024 9:53am
    - Master Mariner
      
      In my mind, It was always going to come to this obvious conclusion,
      Play with Fire springs to mind,
      Dunning – Krugger effect on full display.
      Useful Idiot now out of the limelight.
      Bang on BY.
      
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      July 9, 2024 10:26am
    - Philview
      
      The reason most of us write using pseudonyms is to avoid coming on the radar of disturbed individuals. I have some sympathy for the types of people she may have had to deal with but I do recall she went well beyond her brief and started discussing political matters at times.
      
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      July 9, 2024 11:17am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Indeed. IIRC, she publicly celebrated the 2020 election result. Any scientist who does that has entered the political fray.
        
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        July 9, 2024 1:26pm
    - MCōs
      
      You can disagree with her any day of the week, but threatening to rape or kill her or anyone else in public life for that matter, is not acceptable and that’s what this particular case stems from.
      
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      July 9, 2024 12:41pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Lose the red hair & she’s just another frumpy middle aged woman who’s completely invisible.
      
      Your choice, Souxie.
      
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      July 9, 2024 7:15pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      That was what I never could understand about Wiles’s carping and complaining. She was first out of the blocks when it came to thrusting herself into the public discourse. She loved the attention and the sound of her own voice. She must have been extremely naive to think there wouldn’t be some blowback given it was the most divisive issue in a generation, bar perhaps the Maorification of Everything.
      
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      July 9, 2024 7:30pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The ironic thing is that Souxie’s area of expertise is not pandemics, viruses or vaccines. Her speaking out was entirely voluntary and should have been accorded the same level of publicity as any other non expert.
  
  She brought it on herself, and if anyone else is to blame it’s her media pals
  
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  July 9, 2024 1:00pm
- nova
  
  The judgement notes that Assoc Prof Wiles was “filling a space that many of the other COVID-19
  commentators may not have been as good at filling. ” Is it just me, or is this a slightly inappropriate thing to comment on? I realize that the other commentators were all quite skinny, but I’m not sure what relevance that has to the matter at hand…
  
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  July 9, 2024 5:57pm
All_on_Red

Joe is digging in (Good!)
“I am firmly committed to staying in this race, to running this race to the end, and to beating Donald Trump,” he said in the letter to lawmakers.’
‘Biden argued that he had already dispatched the candidates who ran against him in the Democratic primary. With a little more than a month until the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Biden told Democrats to settle their differences and unite behind him.
“Any weakening of resolve or lack of clarity about the task ahead only helps Trump and hurts us. It’s time to come together, move forward as a unified party, and defeat Donald Trump,” he wrote.’
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/07/08/congress/bidens-letter-to-hill-dems-00166779

They are going to have a problem if he wont leave (Good!).
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July 9, 2024 8:06am
- All_on_Red
  
  More- on a phone interview with Morning Joe, Angry Joe made an appearance. He was screaming.
  “BIDEN: The American public is not going to move away from me, as the average voter. And again, I’m here for two reasons, pal! One, to rebuild the economy for hard-working middle-class people, give everyone a shot, just a straight shot, everybody gets a fair chance! Number one. Number two, remember all this talk about how I don’t have the black support? Come on, give me a break. Come with me, watch! Watch!
  I’m getting so frustrated by the elite (or leak?). No, I’m not talking about you guys, but the elites in the party, who, they know so much more. But if any of these guys don’t think I should run, run against me. Go ah…announce for president. Challenge me at the convention.”
  
  Them’s fighting words. Someone should tell him Cornpop is running against him.
  Rumours of conflict between the Obamas and Jill Biden too
  Glorious to watch them all implode.
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:24am
  - imalwaysright
    
    When you mention Cornpop, the hair on Joes legs stands up.
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Many Black Americans have left the plantation and moved to the Trump camp.
    Biden is lying. Watch the November landslide.
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:19am
    - ISeeRed
      
      I’d like to think so but look just what happened in France.
      
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      July 9, 2024 1:45pm
- Vinicius
  
  The latest Real Clear Politics averages of polls in battlegrounds.
  
  https://www.realclearpolling.com/elections/president/2024/battleground-states
  
  Arizona Trump +4.0%
  Nevada Trump +5.2%
  Wisconsin: Trump + 1.5%
  Michigan Trump +0.6%
  Pennsylvania Trump +5.3%
  North Carolina Trump +5.8
  Georgia Trump +4.0%
  
  Cannot see Trump losing now.
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump can lose if the Democrats cheat like 2020.
    81 million votes my left tit.
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:20am
    - Ian Boag
      
      my left tit
      
      Hope it doesn’t explode like your head was threatening to – 🙂
      
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      July 9, 2024 12:20pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s worse than that, pills yesterday had Trump leading by 2% in New Jersey
    
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    July 9, 2024 1:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  77% of Biden’s original staff have been replaced with Obama’s staff. The cheating is starting.
  
  https://americanvoterpolls.com/obama-pulls-the-strings-in-biden-white-house-puppet-show/?
  
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  July 9, 2024 10:10am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, Obama is the puppeteer.
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:41am
  - Ghost
    
    Obama is just a puppet himself.
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:48am
artemisia

Turning and turning in the widening gyre …
Herald today – paywalled Investigation into Waipareira political donations referred to Charities Registration Board

Elapsed time from start of first investigation, more than 4 years, though there were payment arrangements and what the Herald refers to as “a settlement of sorts”, since broken down.

“Tamihere this week declined to address questions. His sole and complete response to the Herald was: “F*** off! Print that!””
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July 9, 2024 8:10am
- G152
  
  How dare they speak to the self promoted lord of all he surveys like he is the one of dozens of unpromoted hangers on
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  For someone so concerned about white colonial settlerism that phrase is pure cultural appropriation.
  
  As a matter of interest,one of the 3 board members and chairman of the Charities commission is Gwendoline Keel , who stood for Labour in a failed bid for the Port Waikato seat. ( had stood down during that though but is back again)
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:33am
  - Cassandra
    
    No she’s not. She chairs the registration board. CS is part of DIA.
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:10am
    - kowtow
      
      Mea culpa.
      
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      July 9, 2024 12:40pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  I am of the opinion that an “F*** off! Print that!” is code for how worried he really is…..
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:39am
  - H. Upmann
    
    Yes, JT feeling that the kitchen is getting a little too hot maybe, so the best defense is attack.
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Attack! Nek minut everyone is Racist!
      
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      July 9, 2024 11:02am
    - Paulus
      
      Historically “Attack is the best form of Defence”.
      From Roman times I believe.
      
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      July 9, 2024 11:21am
      - Keith White
        
        “If at first you don’t succeed, call in an air strike.”
        
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        July 9, 2024 2:49pm
- artemisia
  
  Fortunately a loan was repaid in 2023. Equally fortunately the Trust’s execs got a nice pay rise that year – 77%.
  
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  July 9, 2024 10:10am
  - david
    
    Looks dangerously like IRD took part in a money laundering scam in return for a 38% fee. (Marginal tax rate) As the old saying goes, IRD are not interested in the legality or morality of a transaction as long as the correct tax is paid.
    
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    July 9, 2024 3:33pm
Sparrow

Have I got this right? If Darleen Tana does not resign and if the Green Party does not invoke the Waka Jumping Act she could remain as an Independent MP representing nobody except herself. Thus she could have her snout in the trough at tax payers cost for the next two and half years and there is nothing anybody can do about it. Please tell me I have it wrong !!!
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July 9, 2024 8:11am
- greybeard
  
  Darleen Tama: NZ’s highest-paid welfare beneficiary.
  At least her “benefit” is keeping her husband’s bike shop afloat !
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:47am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Pumping up his tyres!
    
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    July 9, 2024 2:45pm
- pdm
  
  Sparrow I bet the `wannabe’ Cowboy and his offsider Debbie snap her up.
  
  Darleen Tana is exactly the sort of person they want in their caucus. After all they took Meka Whaitiri.
  
  Parliamentary conventions and ethics mean nothing to them.
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:16am
- MCōs
  
  She would be an independent list mp, which is basically what all the NZF MPs are.
  She could join another party, such as Vision NZ. The Tamakis would love to have someone in parliament and she’d be a good fit
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:19am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    That is a misreprensentation and you know it. NZ First MPs are elected as reps of the Party…they are not independent and if they left the Party, the Party would boot them from parliament via the Party Jumping law pronto..
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:52am
- peterwn
  
  No, that is right. JLR was in the same situation from the time he left the National Party (just before he was formally booted out) and remained an independent MP until the next election. Only difference was he was an electorate MP and kept his shopfront office after giving it a new paintjob.
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:50am
- artemisia
  
  Ms Tana is challenging some findings in the report. What say she is found to be correct?
  
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  July 9, 2024 10:12am
  - Master Mariner
    
    My guess would be more “hush” money,
    Or,
    Go through the court system and have all the dirty laundry open to view.
    ?
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:36am
  - Paulus
    
    Why cannot we see the Report so we can have an opinion on it too !
    
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    July 9, 2024 11:23am
    - Ghost
      
      Report is being released once all those mentioned in it are consulted
      
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      July 9, 2024 11:50am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Exec Summary only, Ghost. Not the detail – and the interesting titbits are always in the details.
        
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        July 9, 2024 7:17pm
  - peterwn
    
    It depends how relevant the ‘wrong’ findings are in the big order of things. If the report was found to be significantly wrong on key aspects then the Party could re-admit her as a member and the caucus re-admit her. She would then be able to e a candidate for the Greens in the next election. However she would have had a chance to correct any factual inaccuracies before the Report was issued to the Greens leadership. She would be dreaming if she thinks that the main facts and conclusions in the Report are wrong.
    She could seek judicial review if her readmission to the party or her candidacy nomination were declined.
    Roger Payne a National wanabe candidate took the Party to court in 2008 and succeeded to have a selection meeting put on hold pending hearing of his case. David Farrrar then National Party electorate chair vetoed his party membership application as being unsuitable (with good reason). He subsequently moved south and succeeded in joining the Party in Canterbury. He then put forward a nomination for the Selwyn seat, but the National Party Board vetoed his nomination (also for good reason). He took the Party to Court and the Court held that the Board was democratically elected by members (via delegates) and the Board was entitled to exclude his nomination.
    So in Darleen’s case, as long as the decision making group was democratically elected/appointed within Party rules and there were reasonable grounds for the decision (a low barrier would apply) Darleen would e very unlikely to be successful in seeking any judicial review. So the Party could make things difficult for her in 2026 by giving her a low list ranking and allowing her to e a Green candidate in a hopeless electorate.
    However Darleen could have more success seeking judicial review if she challenged any removal from Parliament under the Waka Hopper law.
    
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    July 9, 2024 11:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She is sworn in, nothing anyone can do to stop her being an independent, there is different rules for list MPs, but the greens did not take that step
      
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      July 9, 2024 1:51pm
      - peterwn
        
        No. An electorate MP can be removed under the Waka Hopper law although a electorate MP could be in a stronger position to fight it in the courts than a list MP.
        
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        July 9, 2024 3:01pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Correct, let’s hope she hangs around like a gweeny bad small
  
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  July 9, 2024 1:49pm
Right of way is Way of Right

The biggest question of the day…

Will the Greens stance against the Waka Jumping legislation paint them in to a corner, or will their principles be sacrificed on the altar of expediency?

Seems to happen a lot when Green party principles meet reality. Is this a design fault or a feature?

Given the amount of time she’s been suspended on full pay, Darleen Tana has stolen a damn sight more than Golriz did!
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July 9, 2024 8:13am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Don’t forget Darlene sports a Moko.
  It’s something that commands respect from all in society.
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:42am
  - John Loveridge
    
    From all what?
    
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    July 9, 2024 7:35pm
Cassandra

Dr Sinclair, of Maori descent although not visually, states that almost all Maori doctors and medical students experience racism. In his case he gives the example that no-one says kia ora to him. Shane reti responds that in his 17 years of practice he has never experienced racism.
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July 9, 2024 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  With a name like Sinclair he’s lucky people don’t greet him “Bon Jour” esp as he’d be descended from the plundering Normans who kicked the shit out of the poor invaded Anglo Saxons.
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:36am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Originally St.Clair.
    
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    July 9, 2024 11:52am
- Dougal10
  
  DEI creates racism as people don’t know if a position was earned or given to the holder .
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:48am
- jkt
  
  Kia Ora everyone.
  
  See, right there is the evidence, I am not a racist.
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:49am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    That’s just the sort of thing a racist would say.
    😉
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:54am
    - jkt
      
      Exactly.😎
      
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      July 9, 2024 12:34pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Good for Reti for speaking up! Here’s the article I assume Sinclair is referring to: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/article-abstract/2820600
  This is very poor quality “research”. No randomization (participants are self-selecting), and based on subjective perceptions of racism – apparently, not saying “kia ora” is racist. Neither is there any control group, as they didn’t ask Kiwis of European or Asian descent about their experiences of “racism” or bullying in the health sector. My sister trained as a doctor, and says she was bullied – she’s white. It’s clear that training to be a doctor is hugely stressful – not for the faint-hearted, irrespective of ethnicity.
  
  But now the article has been published, it will be held up by activists as “proof” that the health system is racist, and must undergo further “indigenization” etc. This is how the academic publishing industry is complicit in the ideological capture of institutions. It’s called “idea laundering”. But what editor would dare risk accusations of “racism” by rejecting such a flawed piece of work?
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:00am
  - alphabeatrium
    
    They’re open about the limitations, but IMO discount them way too heavily.
    
    > This study has some limitations. As a survey, there may be selection bias in those who chose to participate. This could plausibly include a stronger propensity to respond among those with more experience of the exposures studied or who identify more strongly as Māori. While response rates were reasonably high by modern standards, the reported results should be considered as upper bounds for the prevalence of these exposures.
    
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    July 9, 2024 2:10pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Weasel words
      
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      July 9, 2024 2:47pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      They acknowledge ONE of the study’s multiple serious flaws, in the penultimate paragraph of the paper. But that token acknowledgment will be completely disregarded when this study is used by pressure groups to try to force further indigenization of the health system. They care about power, not truth. The study should never have been published – once it’s into a peer-reviewed journal, it becomes grist for the activists’ mill. “Hey, science says the NZ medical system is racist!”
      
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      July 9, 2024 4:34pm
    - Jack5
      
      The self-description in the report includes:
      
      The critical Kaupapa Māori, decolonial approach of this study …
      
      An online Maori dictionary defines “Kaupapa Māori” thus:
      
      “Māori approach, Māori topic, Māori customary practice, Māori institution, Māori agenda, Māori principles, Māori ideology – a philosophical doctrine, incorporating the knowledge, skills, attitudes and values of Māori society.”
      
      So is this a valid impartial study?
      
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      July 9, 2024 9:14pm
- pdm
  
  Cass – wasn’t that always likely to happen when standards of entry for Medical Schools were lowered to advantage one particular ethnicity?
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:19am
  - lifesgood
    
    I’m sorry for the good Maori doctors, like Shane Reti, but I will never go to one.
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:49am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Life
      Agree. They don’t seem to understand that gaining preferential entry to a medical degree because they are of a specific racial extraction does not mean that they are entitled to the same perception of professional competence that the others attract.
      
      It must be frustrating for the genuinely talented maori doctors among the profession.
      
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      July 9, 2024 10:16am
      - Paulus
        
        Then let all Doctorial entries be subject to the same academic criteria.
        Why not ?
        
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        July 9, 2024 11:25am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Inevitable consequence of DEI hiring policies and affirmative action:
  
  Every Maori and Pasifika doctor now has to prove they are not a diversity hire, and are as good as a normal doctor.
  
  Yay! Isn’t this working out well?
  
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  July 9, 2024 10:33am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  then the lovely doctor doesn’t read his numerous emails from the same employer riddled with kia ora’s, mahi’s, motu’s and nga mihi’s … he’s trained in the terrible pakeha medical system for which Maori need far less grades to enter than any other ethnicity .. and the bullshit about Maori vs everyone else getting different treatment … spare me
  
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  July 9, 2024 12:59pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    Ah, that racist Western medical system that has given us vastly greater health, longevity… … …
    
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    July 9, 2024 7:38pm
- Keith White
  
  I – and the medical and nursing teams I worked with – certainly experienced racism regularly during my ER practice in NZ. The obscenities (and threats) from the tangata whenua were an order of magnitude more common and more threatening than from the pale stale males etc., for similar pathologies and even for similar BAC (blood alcohol content).
  
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  July 9, 2024 2:53pm
softail 1450

Two men who were setting up their new high end clothes shop on Ponsonby road were taking a break from the work with only 2 aisles actually set up ,one said “what’s the bet some old bastard comes in and asks what we’re selling”? within seconds an old lady with a walker poked her head in and asked “ what are you selling “ to which the guy replied big arseholes” , without thinking the old lady replied “ business must be good there’s only 2 left”😂😂😂
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July 9, 2024 8:22am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Puppeteer Obama.
Tell us something we don’t know!
Almost as if Obama is the new Tyrant.

https://americanvoterpolls.com/obama-pulls-the-strings-in-biden-white-house-puppet-show/?
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July 9, 2024 8:23am
Maggie Pie

Once Darlene makes her exit, next on the Greens list is Benjamin Doyle from the Tron.

Ben gained his ‘Master-of-Arts-Degree’ from Auckland Uni with his Thesis on….
Mana Takatapui: Self-determination for queer rangatahu Maori.

Worth a read…

https://researchgate.net/publication/380369510_Mana_Takatapui_self_determination_for_queer_rangatahi_Maori
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July 9, 2024 8:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  “Worth a read…”
  
  I have my doubts.
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:28am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Do I detect a note of racism or queerphobia in your response kk? 🙁
    
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    July 9, 2024 8:47am
    - jkt
      
      Kia Ora, Maggie.
      
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      July 9, 2024 8:50am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Lashing of it, Maggie. Lashings 😉
      
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      July 9, 2024 9:38am
- bartybart
  
  if he tried that business in 1800 he’d be dinner for the Chief
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:39am
- Cassandra
  
  Worth a read if you’re a masochist. I’m sure there’s a place for this sort of study but to think that it is the zenith of a man’s learning is depressing. He’ll make a great addition to the House. Bet he’s got a keffiyeh.
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:43am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “I’m sure there’s a place for this sort of study…”
    
    I guess so, but at Masters level at a university?
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:22am
    - Cassandra
      
      I imagine it was AUT or perhaps one of the wananga. Kia Ora.
      
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      July 9, 2024 10:16am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  By queers for queers…?
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:57am
- Notsofast
  
  Darleen Tana seems to have been involved in the real world, that thesis by the prospect is an utter disgrace. I hope she blocks his entry to parliament.
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:13am
- cas
  
  Not a Green then. BTW whatever has happened to Celia Wade-Brown? Sunk without trace because she espouses Green values ie conservation.
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Celia’s just sitting tight at the moment… Heck she’s only been on deck for a few months.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/members-of-parliament/wade-brown-celia/
    
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    July 9, 2024 10:26am
- Damocles11
  
  He’s eminently qualified to be a Green MP, but not to do anything worthwhile or productive.
  
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  July 9, 2024 10:28am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I heard this morning;
  “stuck with the choice between a slave driver and the next on the List, I’ll go for the slave driver.”
  
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  July 9, 2024 10:52am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She will become an independent, no new list greeny
  
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  July 9, 2024 1:53pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Well, you read it and post a short precis for us.
  
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  July 9, 2024 7:40pm
Matt Long

Is it really true that Luxon is avoiding the Platform because Plunket is against the transing of children?
https://x.com/2ETEKA/status/1810146294087991802
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July 9, 2024 8:23am
- Inandout
  
  Matt, interesting what politicians say pre elections.
  
  ‘Asked on Wednesday morning whether he thought Collins’ comment was funny or if she shouldn’t have said it, Luxon said: “Judith’s being Judith”.
  
  “She didn’t mean any harm by that whatsoever,” he told AM. “She, like me, wants people to be able to identify as they wish and be free to express themselves safely and feel that they can express themselves fully with whatever gender they identify with.”
  
  He said he believes other National MPs “want to encourage people to identify as they wish”.
  
  “I mean, we want to live in a country where people feel incredibly safe to be able to express themselves whichever way they want to and I think that’s what Judith believes and that’s what I believe and what many of our caucus believe.”
  
  Collins was being questioned on gender after Luxon last week said there are “two biological genders”. He said it was his “preference” for women’s sporting events to be for cisgender women, but also said it was up to sporting bodies to make decisions on the inclusion of transgender athletes’.
  
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  July 9, 2024 8:56am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Luxon enthusiastically brandishing his wet, woke, and spine-free credentials. Oh for a leader like Milei, or Bukele for that matter.
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:41am
  - Notsofast
    
    He is fortunate his preference will become law for sport to get tax money.
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:54am
- Scott
  
  We can have a go at the prime minister trying to parse the issue of transgender. However the real problem is our culture. As we’ve moved away from Christian understandings then we’ve gone back to the free for all of pre Christian paganism.
  
  We’ve gone back to homosexuality is good. Then we took the historically unprecedented step of homosexual marriage which even the Greeks never accepted. Then almost immediately afterwards came these strange people with blue hair.
  
  This is the problem. If the NZ people will accept gay marriage then they’ll accept anything.
  
  Chris Luxon is not the problem. We are.
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:39am
  - jkt
    
    Everyone should have the right to feelings, thoughts and speech.
    But everyone is also required to own their feelings, thoughts and speech.
    
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    July 9, 2024 12:46pm
  - wsk12345
    
    I disagree. I support the right of gay men or women to shag whomever they wish. To each their own. It does not affect me.
    What I object to is being told I have to accept delusions from people who are mentally ill and think they are in the wrong body/actually a furry/whatever else. There is no room here for me to say that actually I’m not accepting that you, a bloke, are a woman because it’s patently a lie. I’m not referring to you as “she” a that is requiring me to be complicit in a lie.
    
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    July 9, 2024 3:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sean Plunket should ask Luxon “what is your opinion on Co-Governance?”
  He will not answer, other than repeat what Peters and Seymour have said.
  
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  July 9, 2024 11:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Don’t talk crap, he has answered that several times, Māori health is gone, 3 waters is gone, not separatist services, Māori wanting to call a river a human breathing thing I could give a shit
    
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    July 9, 2024 1:58pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Dewy-eyed blindness again, G.
      
      Luxon is continuing to promote ethnically-derived privilege.
      
      You voted for it.
      
      Owning it or rejecting this demonstrates some self awareness, while pretending it isn’t happening is infantile.
      
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      July 9, 2024 2:31pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I note he gave plunket quite a few questions the other day at the press conference, he hot pissed off with Plunkett twisting what Peter’s said, he said I listened to the whole interview and you are being misleading with what he said, others would have heard, so I doubt Luxon was lying.
  
  Why let him ask questions if he was scared to go on his show?
  
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  July 9, 2024 1:56pm
Simon

Useless gweens. So upset about Tana hurting the party. Party this party that. Fuck off. Where is the apology to NZ for installing this muppet into parliament.

Apologize Gweens for your shameful selection of crooks into parliament.
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July 9, 2024 8:30am
- MCōs
  
  Not the only party that’s unwittingly done that.
  The operative word being ‘unwittingly’
  A Labour Party PM had previously spent a year in prison for sedition.
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:34am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I think that was well known to the Party at large, Cossie. Not the same thing at all.
    
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    July 9, 2024 2:51pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They are already saying she lied to them
  
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  July 9, 2024 1:56pm
slightlyrighty

There is a stoush brewing over a Ministry Ordered closure of a rural Early Childcare Center in Manawatu.

It’s not about safety, even though this Kindy almost operates as a farm, and allows the kids to experience a bit of rural life, including feeding animals. The Kids are safe and happy.

It’s about the cirriculum. The Ministry is seeking to close this center because it hasn’t, in their view, addresses concerns raised with regard to establishing “culturally responsive practices throughout the centre curriculum”; ensure te reo and tikanga Māori were valued and integral parts of the curriculum; and develop understanding of effective internal evaluation.
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July 9, 2024 8:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like they’ve been allowed to stay open for the time being.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521584/manawatu-s-country-kindy-seeks-to-overturn-ministry-move-to-cancel-licence
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:10am
  - peterwn
    
    So it is now accepted that it is a policy and political matter and not merely an ‘operational’ matter where bureaucrats can take decisions without regard to political considerations.
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I do hope someone takes a very close look at the Early childhood curriculum.
      
      It espouses the Mason Durie model of wellbeing and asserts that the spiritual nature of toddlers/children must be catered for.
      
      Similarly, the Relationships and sexuality Curriculum of NZ expects teachers to attend to the spiritual nature of pupils/students.
      
      This seems to be in direct contradiction to the Education Act that states education in State schools (i.e. not of special character) MUST be secular.
      
      Our education law requires that teaching in all state primary schools must be entirely of a
      secular character (non-religious) while the school is open.
      
      https://www.education.govt.nz/assets/Documents/School/Running-a-school/Guidelines-on-religious-instruction.pdf
      
      Slowly, slowly aspects of religious/spiritual/supernatural beliefs are being adopted in our education curricula.
      
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      July 9, 2024 10:35am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I heard that report. They danced on the head of a pin to avoid saying what the actual issue is.
    
    Weasels, MinEd & RNZ.
    
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    July 9, 2024 2:53pm
- pdm
  
  I think I saw somewhere over the weekend that David Seymour is going into bat for them.
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:26am
  - Notsofast
    
    He did, but it seems to have taken costly legal action.
    That part maori woman needs to be sacked for her act of brazen cruelty to this community.
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:56am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Wouldn’t be a problem if the government disestablished the MOE.
  
  But no, they’ll fight with the MOE over all this detailed shite, at best getting draws, while the MOE folks smile and await the return of Labour in 2029 or 2032.
  
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  July 9, 2024 11:29am
  - peterwn
    
    It is not so much disestablishing the MOE but changing the legislation under which it operates.
    Anyway, it seems the scene is set for change since a new CEO will be appointed soon.
    
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    July 9, 2024 11:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ministry of Education will force everyone to learn Te Reo one way or another.
  The Ministry is infested with activist parasites.
  
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  July 9, 2024 11:37am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Heads should roll at MOE over this. But firing people won’t address the long-term problem – the curriculum needs to change too. But do Stanford and Luxon have the stomach for the fight?
  
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  July 9, 2024 12:38pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Stanford is turning education on its head, people are posting you force Māori down our kids throats, not so it is no longer compulsory in schools, sexual education is being looked at and some of the filth labour were teaching must now have parental approval which Labour started
    
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    July 9, 2024 2:02pm
sirknz

Usual bunch of lefties trying to make things worse for everyone:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/everyone-connected-campaign-puts-heat-on-power-companies-to-stop-charging-poor-hefty-disconnection-fees/EW53Q6RZEBA6HJ2ILAOLNHQFLI/

All this will do is put up the price of everyone’s power bills. No mention of how people managed to get their power disconnected, it usually takes at least 3 unpaid bills from my understanding. Plenty of woe is me on other people’s behalf though…
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July 9, 2024 8:58am
- imalwaysright
  
  Why are the disconnect/reconnect fees so high?
  Both actions are done electronically an don’t cost any where near what the charges are.
  This is profiteering by putting the financial boot into people who, mostly , can’t afford it.
  
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  July 9, 2024 10:30am
  - peterwn
    
    It depends on the type of meter installed. With Glo-Bug (or other prepayment meters) power is disconnected automatically if the customer runs out of credit and there is no reconnection fee as such.
    For other customers, their meters may or may not be capable of remote disconnection or reconnection. If not then someone would need to be dispatched to disconnect then reconnect the power. I agree it would be wrong if the reconnection fee was applied indiscriminantly whether or not the meter had a remote disconnection facility. Similarly it would be wrong if the fee was waived where the meter happens to have the disconnect facility. The fairest method would be to set the reconnection fee to the average cost of disconnections and reconnections which would decrease in time as more remote disconnection meters are installed.
    The other main issue here is the one of customers paying on time having to subsidise the ones who do not pay on time. While it could be decreed that retailers support non paying customers out of profits, in time the burden would move from shareholders to the customer base.
    
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    July 9, 2024 12:09pm
  - jkt
    
    I think you have a point.
    Fees and charges should reflect cost.
    
    One would have thought the electricity regulator would deal with this.
    
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    July 9, 2024 12:55pm
    - peterwn
      
      Power retailers used to offer a discount for customers who paid on time because these customers are cheaper to manage than late payers. However the previous Government ruled that such payments are ‘unfair’ and must not be offered.
      
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      July 9, 2024 3:04pm
  - wsk12345
    
    I would imagine they are required to make several attempts to contact the person on the bill. They probably spend half an hour on the phone sorting out a payment plan that never happens, and I’m damned sure they document every decision. I bet the supervisors have to be involved too, it’s not a junior worker decision.
    
    Given the cost of employment now, say $40 per hour for the billing supervisor x2 (employment costs), it doesn’t take long to get to $160, a mere two hours. And then the bill goes to the Debt collector who takes half of what they recover.
    
    Why should those of us that pay our bills pay for this? We already don’t get a prompt payment t discount for paying on time, we already pay the winter energy payment to these people, why should we pay the costs of their disconnection?
    
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    July 9, 2024 4:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Corin Dann seems to be unaware of the fact that an ex Green MP claimed to have an academic qualification that he never had.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018946009/acting-prime-minister-on-greens-darleen-tana-scandal

(at 1:59….)

Some folks must live in their own little bubble
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July 9, 2024 9:01am
- pdm
  
  Name and shame Maggy.
  
  My old mind cannot remember the name of the said Green imposter.
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No imposter… once Green co-leader
    
    https://marcspring.com/index.php/2023/09/24/james-shaw-why-dont-you-let-the-media-fact-check-your-cv/
    
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    July 9, 2024 9:41am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Apparently Shaw now works for Air Nz as a climate thingy.
      
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      July 9, 2024 10:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It was Shaw, and he is gone
    
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    July 9, 2024 2:03pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He will have forgotten about Shaw
  
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  July 9, 2024 2:02pm
Yvette

Greens co-leader Chlöe Swarbrick is open to the idea of using the waka-jumping legislation to eject Darleen Tana from Parliament.
Tana has resigned from the Greens after the party’s independent review into allegations linking her to exploitation at her husband’s bicycle company.
But she hasn’t resigned from Parliament, and if she doesn’t, the Greens may have to use the waka-jumping rule – a law they hate – to force her out.

At any time they wish, the Greens can say “A greater principle stands in place of our earlier principles”, so the Party is thus shown to be more principled than we were when we opposed Winston’s “waka jumping” legislation”
As simple as that
As long as Chlöe does not smile as she announces it
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July 9, 2024 9:04am
- Quail
  
  “ Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them , well I have others. — Groucho Marx.”
  Been used often on this blog but I have seldom seen, if ever ,a more appropriate use than applying it to the NZ Green Party!
  
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  July 9, 2024 1:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is the Green Party a safe place for wahine Maori….or for anyone?

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/07/08/swarbrick-defends-green-party-as-a-safe-place-for-wahine-maori-mps/
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July 9, 2024 9:07am
- Benedict Yu
  
  ““I just firstly acknowledge that I, of course, am a Pākehā co-leader, and I am standing here without our wahine Māori co-leader, the Hon. Marama Davidson.””
  
  Isn’t identity politics wonderful? ☹️
  
  How about they elect a “leader”? Stop referring to the gender or ethnicity of their MPs as if that affects their ability to do the job well. It is quite the reverse. Selecting people based on anything other than merit is more likely to result in the mess that the Greens are now seeing.
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:32am
  - Handyman
    
    “I just firstly acknowledge that I, of course, am a Pākehā co-leader”
    
    It is interesting to see how various societies cleave because it shows the dominant way in which they identify themselves. For example, in US it is Black/Hispanic, in the UK it is class, in Northen Ireland it is religion.
    
    The Greens used to see equity in terms of gender; now they see society primarily in terms of Maori/Pakeha, with gender being a subcategory.
    
    Kind of related…
    Interesting see US VP Harris transition from being “a proud Indian American” via “a woman of color” to now be “a black woman”. People can call themselves whatever they want but in her case it looks a bit cynical coming up to the election.
    
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    July 9, 2024 11:30am
- pdm
  
  Marama survived the `cis white male’ accusation without any obvious censure or disciplinary action from the Green Party.
  
  In fact one suspects their Caucus of the day cheered her on.
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:33am
- kowtow
  
  Given Swarbrick’s enthusiasm for screaching wildly “river to sea” at justabout any opportunity, I suspect that her genocidal and identitarian tendencies ( and the overt support shown by the rest of the caucus) makes the Greens an extreme and very dangerous place, for anyone.
  
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  July 9, 2024 10:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I doubt she even knows the name of the river.
    
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    July 9, 2024 11:42am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Which one – Euphrates or Tigris ? 🙂
      
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      July 9, 2024 1:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        This one;
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxpr-7rwM6o
        
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        July 9, 2024 1:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yep, Maggie has it. The Jordan River.
        Good try Don, I knew you were pulling my tit!
        
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        July 10, 2024 7:22am
Matt Long

Poor Sir Jackson saved from poverty by the Wellington Council giving him 50 car parks for a dollar.
What I admire so much about socialist councils is how they apply the Reverse Robin Hood principle so well.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350334593/sir-peter-jackson-nabs-50-public-car-parks-1-year
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July 9, 2024 9:28am
- MCōs
  
  On the one hand Jackson got a sweetheart deal with the car parks; on the other he’s brought a lot of industry to Wellington over the years
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:41am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just stop! He thinks his name is Brandon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEHWx3T6HlQ
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July 9, 2024 9:35am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Recall last week when I raised the question as to whether or not convicted Czech drug smuggler KAREL SCROUBEK had been deported yet?

Maggy W was able to link to an ‘OIA Request’ in February of this year… confirming he was still here 🙁

Well, now I see Auckland’s fave ‘citizen journalist’ Simon Anderson has also taken up the investigation, once again going where the MSM fears to tread…..

https://x.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1809441068183875888
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July 9, 2024 9:40am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, and Simon is inviting those with knowledge to contact him.
  
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  July 9, 2024 10:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have no idea why ex PM’s picture is there.
  Is there some connection?//
  
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  July 9, 2024 11:45am
- Ghost
  
  I thought the case was on hold here until his appeal for his conviction in the Czech Republic had been decided
  
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  July 9, 2024 11:55am
  - Ghost
    
    The last court document I can find was November 2023, where the judge was putting it into the next judicial review list
    
    https://www.justice.govt.nz/jdo_documents/workspace___SpacesStore_06e930dc_c321_4270_a467_766ebb43c764.pdf
    
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    July 9, 2024 12:39pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      That was prior to the last election. Why spread dis-information?
      
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      July 9, 2024 1:44pm
      - Ghost
        
        Nope, November 2023, after the last election
        
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        July 9, 2024 1:51pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think he simply appealed again didn’t he, did this not just happen a couple of months ago?
  
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  July 9, 2024 2:05pm
- SimonRAnderson
  
  I have the story now, I’ll go to print once I’ve established which details are subject to suppression orders.
  
  Because this matter is fairly NZ-centric it probably won’t appear under my Liberty Itch byline. Liberty Itch might pick it up subsequently but it will probably be published at my Substack in the first instance.
  
  (“fave ‘citizen journalist'” is pretty funny. Thank you for the complement but the soubriquet “Dickhead with a Camera” is more apposite.)
  
  -SRA.
  
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  July 9, 2024 3:20pm
- NothingLeft
  
  I thought the generally safe approach to discussion of rumours was to pose it as Did X do Y? ‘just asking questions’ to avoid defamation/libel laws.
  
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  July 9, 2024 6:35pm
Im Right

C’mon you gotta laugh….
Green party – female dominated & maori centric in policy and party rules.
Fucked over by 2 maori women!
😂
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July 9, 2024 9:50am
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis re-tweets….

“Nole gives ZERO f**ks” 😀 😀 😀

https://x.com/oscarjpearson/status/1810410325126303933
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July 9, 2024 10:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Wellington car parks.
Taxpayer’s Union.

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/public_car_parks_for_billionaires_none_for_the_rest_of_us
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July 9, 2024 10:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Coma patient wakes up in 2022. Wants back in a coma until 2024.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nbALaoX9r0
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July 9, 2024 10:28am
Maggie Pie

“Queen Street murder accomplice sentenced to 5 months home detention”

Was trying to think where I’d heard the name ‘Justice Andrew Becroft’ before?

https://stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350336013/queen-st-homicide-accomplice-sentenced-after-helping-man-who-alleged-have-killed
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July 9, 2024 10:46am
Ghost

Guess they aren’t interested in president kamala taking over the campaign….

Mega-Donors Cut Off Biden, Prepare PACs To Fund ‘Mini-Primary’ And New Candidate
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July 9, 2024 11:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One of the big ones maybe pulling this plug or has done so is Disney heiress Abigail Disney.
  
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  July 9, 2024 11:51am
- Steve Todd
  
  @Ghost @ 11:38AM
  
  Nonsense.
  
  President Biden may well withdraw his candidacy (or he may not), but there’s no way, in my view, he would relinquish the presidency, as well. You have not yet explained to us why you think he would.
  
  On the other hand, there is no doubt in my mind that were Harris to go into the Convention as President (almost certainly also with Biden’s endorsement), she would secure the nomination. She only needs 1,975 of Biden’s (and, let’s face it, her*) 3,905 delegates.
  
  * On 19 January 2022, Biden confirmed “Harris will again be his running mate in his 2024 re-election campaign.” (See https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/19/biden-commits-to-harris-as-his-running-mate-2024-527418.) So, people voted in the primaries this year knowing that they were a team, and that she could become president sometime during his second term.
  
  From the ZeroHedge article you link to: “Some are referring to the concept as a ‘mini-primary’ — and it’s seen by many as a mechanism for ensuring that Kamala Harris isn’t tapped merely by virtue of her title. [My italics.]
  
  This is completely in line with my comment, here, https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/two_dire_polls_for_biden.html/comment-page-1#comment-3584446, in which Longtime DNC member, James Zogby, advocates a contest for the nomination at an open convention, which he thinks she could well win.
  
  It is also in line with my comment, here, https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/who_wants_biden_to_drop_out_and_stay_in.html/comment-page-1#comment-3585885, where I say “more’s the pity” to the likelihood (in my view) that the Convention will not be open.
  
  There is nothing in the article to support your interpretation, that you “Guess they aren’t interested in president kamala taking over the campaign”, meaning they don’t want her to win the nomination. All they are saying is that they want an open convention in the event that Biden withdraws from the race (as would I).
  
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  July 9, 2024 4:00pm
Maggie Pie

I’ve taken one for the team.

Just finished browsing thru the THESIS written by Benjamin Doyle on the subject of…. ‘Self-determination for queer rangatui Maori’.

Given that Benjamin is next candidate on the Greens list, I’ve come to the conclusion it would be best for the country if Darlene Tana refuses to resign, and stays on as an Independant MP.
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July 9, 2024 11:51am
- MCōs
  
  Some sort of dodgy employee who rips off their immigrant employees is preferable to a queer any day of the week, eh?
  
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  July 9, 2024 12:26pm
  - jkt
    
    Choice between:
    Thief or diminished capacity?
    Sounds a little bit like the American Presidential election.
    
    Unfortunately, it is not a binary choice.
    
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    July 9, 2024 1:06pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  given that the Greens are a minority in Parliament, surely it’s better that he is in Parliament and not in front of a classroom?
  
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  July 9, 2024 12:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    People are saying Benjamin would be the Greens next nightmare.
    He fervently condemnz Posie Parker and feels she should not be allowed in the country. He believes all Posie’s followers are Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists.
    
    It’s pretty jolly obvious why Chloe is so keen to see the arse-end of Darleen in Parliament. Who do you think she and the Mexican would rather have on board?
    
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    July 9, 2024 1:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

1980s: How Donald Trump Created Donald Trump.
How he sells himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FLo14GMYos
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July 9, 2024 12:07pm
Matt Long

Well now, if manufacturers could agree on a standard battery platform, this battery swap instead of charge stations could just make EVs a viable technology.
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1920021/scotty-kilmer-chinese-electric-charging-battery
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July 9, 2024 12:13pm
- cmm
  
  Well it would be a start, but….
  *No matter the format, batteries still need to be charged.
  * There is already a problem with battery damage happening at a huge scale. Moving to a rental model for batteries is likely going to end up with people taking less care and thrashing batteries (eg. driving over rocky roads, over kerbs etc).
  
  Batteries are often a part of the structure of the vehicle. To make removable batteries could require adding significant extra weight etc.
  
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  July 9, 2024 1:03pm
  - jkt
    
    If things were just that simple.
    
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    July 9, 2024 1:10pm
  - greybeard
    
    This is actually 2024.
    Apparently we went to the moon ( and back ! ) in 1969.
    Why would it be so hard to have swappable batteries in a car ? We have them everywhere else.
    Maybe there are vested interests to prevent this for some reason, even for a few years more.
    
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    July 9, 2024 4:18pm
    - Albie
      
      Greybeard, the average weight of an EV battery is 454 kg. Long range EV batteries weigh considerably more. These batteries are an integral part of the EV’s structure. Even if there was agreement between manufacturers and all of the models they produce, at 454 kg on average a battery swap would not be as straightforward as your 9kg bottle swap at Bunnings.
      
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      July 9, 2024 5:27pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Agree. It would make far more sense economically, and from a safety and efficiency perspective.
  
  Carry 1 or two 20kWh modules around for normal daily commuting, and add extra for long trips or when towing. Robotic swap at a battery station in a few seconds, take out battery for car repairs (a Big issue for EV’s particularly for panel beating and paint baking ovens), battery retains value even if car is written off.
  
  And built in battery monitoring would make it possible to charge more for battery abuse.
  
  Use cheap LiPo or Sodium batteries for daily use, and expensive NMC batteries or maybe even range extender IC engine modules for longer trips.
  
  Could also make an up-front payment for battery use for life of vehicle if idea of ongoing rental charges pissed people off.
  
  It’s technically straight forward (demoed by Nio, Better Place and even Tesla in past), problem is getting sufficient number of manufacturers and users and infrastructure-builders to buy in to idea and roll it out at scale.
  
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  July 9, 2024 6:32pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  I dare say that most EV’s are slow charged at night when electric power is cheaper.
  
  So EVs are already a viable technology. The number of EVs in New Zealand has increased substantially going from fewer than 1000 EVs in 1993 to about 76,000 by June of 2024. That’s not counting the 30,000 odd plug-in hybrids.
  
  In December 2023 over 50% of new car sales were EVs. Even after the removal of the clean car discounts/rebates over 12% of new car sales are EVs.
  
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  July 9, 2024 7:01pm
Swifty

I say again, never, ever place your vote based on a political party’s stated intentions; rather, always, always place your vote based on the practical and observable effects of their policies.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/521635/next-generation-unlikely-to-get-repeat-of-covid-wealth-boom

The NZ Labour Party consistently delivers results the exact opposite of what they promised – in this case a more fair and equal New Zealand.

Labour couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.
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July 9, 2024 12:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Fabulous isn’t it?… bugga the workers, look after your privileged mates.
  
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  July 9, 2024 1:04pm
  - Swifty
    
    Indeed.
    
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    July 9, 2024 1:51pm
- cmm
  
  Next generation unlikely to get covid wealth boom?
  
  What “wealth boom”?
  All we did was run up a bunch of debt and convert that into a short term cash bonfire. That is not “wealth” by any stretch of the imagination.
  
  It you get a new credit card and max it out on living high on the hog, that is not wealth. Well that’s basically what happened here.
  
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  July 9, 2024 1:06pm
  - jkt
    
    My neighbour bought his townhouse for $780,000 in February 2022. My other neighbour cannot find a buyer for his townhouse with an asking price of $650,000.
    Exactly the same unit!
    
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    July 9, 2024 1:21pm
  - Swifty
    
    My friend in Wellie’s house doubled in value in five years of Labour.
    
    She considers that a wealth jump for her.
    
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    July 9, 2024 1:53pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Just wait until she wants to sell
      
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      July 9, 2024 7:30pm
Maggie Pie

It’s actually becoming quite shocking what some people are posting on ‘X’ in relation to the upcoming American election 🙁

Here’s something I had absolutely nooo idea about….

https://x.com/LeadingReport/status/1810448368813899803
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July 9, 2024 1:04pm
- sirknz
  
  You must’ve heard of ‘Big Mike’…
  
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  July 9, 2024 2:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Rest of the World knows. Lefties on this blog refuse to acknowledge it
  
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  July 10, 2024 7:41am
Matt Long

Hmmmm, Elon Musk joins the crazies who believe there should be the ability to audit elections in the US.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1810454245109571615
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July 9, 2024 1:28pm
- ISeeRed
  
  You need ID for most things as an adult EXCEPT for voting? That’s what’s crazy.
  
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  July 9, 2024 2:07pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Almost every democratic country in the world, rich or poor, requires ID to vote. But it’s an end-of-the-world issue for US Democrats trying to win elections.
  
  Obvious conclusion is that it interferes with their plans to cheat. There is just no honest way to spin it. They are announcing to the world that it is critical to Democrat electoral strategy to be able to exploit this vulnerability
  
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  July 9, 2024 6:16pm
Ghost

mother’s call to ban g-string bikinis being paraded at New Plymouth’s popular public pool has divided opinion across the city.

Article

Simple solution, teach your kids respect and not to stare at people doing nothing wrong.
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July 9, 2024 2:00pm
- MCōs
  
  Tell them not to go to the beach either.
  We stayed at a beachfront resort at Hua Hin once and all these Scandinavian babes were walking up and down the sand in small bikinis
  Except they were no longer babes by about thirty years and tending to be somewhat fleshy.
  I wished they’d dressed more like Thais when they go swimming. Tee shirts and shorts or maybe even jeans
  
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  July 9, 2024 3:31pm
O C Smith

Weather map shows a large ‘H’ Transpower shows 17MW of solar power production 1.35% of capacity and 0.32% of demand. And with 27MW of solar how on earth will wind and solar allow us to get to net zero and keep the lights on?
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July 9, 2024 2:08pm
- O C Smith
  
  An explanation from the downticker would be appreciated.
  
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  July 9, 2024 2:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    He’s a bit busy at the moment swiping-right on Grindr 😛
    
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    July 9, 2024 3:34pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  A. They wont.
  
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  July 9, 2024 2:39pm
Maggie Pie

*JUST IN*

Surely the question that needs to be asked is….

“WHY would silly ol’ Joe do something like that?”

https://x.com/SpeakerJohnson/status/1810394458334310744
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July 9, 2024 2:13pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the border guards union do not, and never have, supported Joe. The crossing figures bandied about by the Dems are trying to confuse the issue.
  
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  July 9, 2024 2:59pm
Maggie Pie

Riddle me this 🙁

People on ‘X’ are asking why on earth Mark Mitchell would dance to Chloe’s tune
and akwies so quickly to her request?

https://x.com/SuitandTie9999/status/1810159950452392086
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July 9, 2024 3:09pm
- Ghost
  
  Did he?
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/05/09/deeply-unsettling-police-minister-reacts-to-ponsonby-shooting/
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-minister-mark-mitchell-talks-new-national-gang-unit-and-how-it-will-work-the-front-page/I5TQZ5RYWJGITEHSNCKXAFU2DA/
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/05/14/gang-crackdown-new-national-unit-established/
  
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  July 9, 2024 3:17pm
  - O C Smith
    
    Ghost seems like Mr Mitchell wants Chloe to agree with him.
    
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    July 9, 2024 4:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Violent female off the streets for a week or so….

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521684/woman-accused-of-assaulting-auckland-teen-with-metal-rod-appears-in-court
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July 9, 2024 4:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh boy. Searching other shit and came across this shit!

What A Democratic Socialist Convention Is Like. Right Wing Infiltrators who are trying to get in here?
Don’t you fucking hiss at me comrade! Who is financing these nutbars?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLQNUVmq3o

My head hurts now.
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July 9, 2024 4:59pm
Ghost

Hmmm, nz first

“Is it true that the Aratere ran aground when someone put the autopilot on, went for a coffee, and then couldn’t turn the autopilot off in time when that someone came back…?”, the party posted.

“If so, why haven’t the public been told that?”

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July 9, 2024 6:18pm
- fernglas
  
  NZ First said it, so it must be true
  
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  July 9, 2024 6:24pm
- Taieri
  
  That, if true, would actually be a criminal offence.
  
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  July 9, 2024 6:35pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  If the ship you are in charge of lost its steering wouldn’t you stop the engines or put them into reverse and drop an anchor? It does seem that no one was actively in control.
  
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  July 9, 2024 6:42pm
- MCōs
  
  Disgraceful insinuation by NZF dressed up as an innocent question.
  Nobody that might be able to provide the answers can possibly reply to a baseless social media accusation
  Even if they did the door would be open for all manner of rumours to gallop through the gap
  
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  July 9, 2024 7:28pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  What was that back in the day from Winnie – ferry grounding and getting off grounding and never reported. Way back when he had black hair – think he may have still even been a Nat!
  
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  July 9, 2024 9:16pm
John Loveridge

On a frosty Christchurch morning yesterday, my 4km commute to the office at the peak rush period had me caught in thick, slow-moving vehicular traffic. I had plenty of opportunity to count the 11 buses that I encountered in that short distance. 4 were completely empty, the rest had no more than a literal handful of passengers – four was the most I saw. There was not a soul to be seen at a single bus stop along the way. I counted two cyclists making use of the expensive, intrusive cycle lanes. Cars seemed to be very popular.

Make of it all what you will.
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July 9, 2024 6:19pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350337161/totally-unfair-how-one-punch-changed-familys-life-forever

It is surely time to stop this ridiculous business of “name suppression”.

These pieces of filth are given more consideration than their victims and their victims’ families.
Just rubbish.
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July 9, 2024 6:21pm
- fernglas
  
  “Can’t be identified for legal reasons” can mean a number of things, including that name suppression has been granted for the usual bullshit reasons. It may also be that there are other proceedings under way against him and the name is suppressed to preserve fair trial rights.
  
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  July 9, 2024 6:27pm
- Ghost
  
  We don’t know the legal reasons why he can’t yet be named. He could be facing other charges
  
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  July 9, 2024 6:28pm
Ghost

Leaked, hmmmm.

A leaked report from the investigation into allegations former Green MP Darleen Tana was involved in migrant exploitation reveals the difficulties the investigator encountered and why it took more than 100 days to complete.

Article
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July 9, 2024 7:20pm
Jack5

If you were in a syndicate whose NZ racehorse was sold to China, you might be [or, should be] interested in this video of farrier work, China style.

https://youtu.be/5zOpiANRptI?si=JJlE3BI6vbYLpwk0
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