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Chuck Bird

On abortion Trump was truthful and Biden lied

Yesterday I attended the Family First Forum on the Family. The speaker who impressed me most was Melissa Ohden. She was a woman who survived a botched abortion and was given the chance to live despite her maternal grandmother wishes that she be left to die.

https://abortionsurvivors.org/

Whatever you think about abortion is not important. My point is that when it came to abortion in the debate Trump told the truth and Biden lied just like our media here on TVNZ.
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July 6, 2024 8:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  What was the lie?
  
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  July 6, 2024 8:18am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    The lie was that there were not very late term abortions and that healthy babies like Melissa Ohden who survived a botched abortion were not left to die.
    
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    July 6, 2024 8:26am
    - Mike
      
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      If I were you, I’d be more concerned about Biden giving Israel an unlimited supply of weapons to kill Palestinian mothers and babies.
      
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      July 6, 2024 8:34am
      - cmm
        
        That is a preposterous statement.
        
        If Israel had the goal of killing mothers and babies they could have killed millions very easily.
        
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        July 6, 2024 9:06am
      - AitchW
        
        Because Hamas didn’t rape, murder or abduct anybody. Would you prefer Israel simply rolled over?
        I know you won’t answer, you’ll simply look for your next troll.
        
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        July 6, 2024 9:14am
      - rouppe
        
        So you’re not concerned about the UN providing Hamas with the financial capability to kill and rape Israelis?
        
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        July 6, 2024 9:36am
      - Mike
        
        Just pointing out that if Chuck actually cared about human life he would support women everywhere having access to healthcare. And the biggest threta to hezlthcare come from war, poverty and disease.
        
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        July 6, 2024 9:39am
      - Nobby2
        
        Why don’t you front up and say what you really think about the Jewish / Arab problem and what to do about it.
        
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        July 6, 2024 11:23am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        If I were you, Milky, I’d hop onto Khan academy or similar and do a few courses in basic logic.
        
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        July 6, 2024 2:02pm
  - kowtow
    
    The most recent one is that he says he’s a black woman .
    
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    July 6, 2024 8:28am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Biden lies when he said Trump was lying about abortion.
    
    TRUMP: So that means he can take the life of the baby in the ninth month and even after birth, because some states, Democrat-run, take it after birth. Again, the governor – former governor of Virginia: put the baby down, then we decide what to do with it.
    
    So he’s in – he’s willing to, as we say, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby.
    
    Nobody wants that to happen. Democrat or Republican, nobody wants it to happen.
    
    BIDEN: He’s lying. That is simply not true.
    
    That – Roe v. Wade does not provide for that. That’s not the circumstance. Only when the woman’s life is in danger, she’s going to die, that’s the only circumstance in which that can happen.
    
    But we are not for late-term abortion, period, period, period.
    
    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-biden-trump-debate-rush-transcript/index.html
    
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    July 6, 2024 8:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Every time the Roe v Wade subject comes up Biden goes into lying mode.
      Over 17oo babies per year survive abortion Joe. They are not talking 10 week abortions, they are talking full term.
      I try to avoid the abortion debate mainly because it gets turned into religion and I am not a man of faith. I do feel that abortion should not be a contraceptive, which is what the Democrats want.
      
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      July 6, 2024 8:57am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Steve, were you at the Forum yeserday?
        
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        July 6, 2024 9:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Not sure what you mean Chuck.
        
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        July 6, 2024 9:57am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Steve, the Family First Forum I mentioned in my original post where I heard Melissa Ohden speak. She has talked to Trump about abortion survivors. That is how he got his facts right.
        
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        July 6, 2024 10:03am
      - Notsofast
        
        Why not leave the subject exclusively to women?
        If men focused on male issues, women could be left to decide on sports, changing rooms, prisons, rape centers, and abortion.
        
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        July 6, 2024 11:02am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        To tell the truth Chuck, I forgot the Family First Forum was on. If they emailed me I missed it.
        
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        July 6, 2024 12:45pm
      - wsk12345
        
        @notso
        
        Hard to say that abortion is a women’s issue when 65% of abortions in NZ are from people hving sex without contraception. That’s right, not failed contraception but failure to use any. That’s not just a woman issue.
        
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        July 6, 2024 2:10pm
      - Country Air Ian.
        
        Every time somebody mentions Roe v Wade regarding abortion. I shake my head.
        
        The recent Supreme Court Decision did NOT BAN abortions. It just put the decision back to where it originated. With Individual states.
        
        Roe V Wade
        Roe v. Wade, legal case in which the U.S. Supreme Court on January 22, 1973, ruled (7–2) that unduly restrictive state regulation of abortion is unconstitutional. In a majority opinion written by Justice Harry A. Blackmun, the Court held that a set of Texas statutes criminalizing abortion in most instances violated a constitutional right to privacy,
        
        To be clear. There is actually no Constitutional right to Privacy!!!!!!!! The SCOTUS created such a right in one of its court cases in 1965..
        
        https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/right_to_privacy
        
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        July 6, 2024 3:08pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Chuck, it is more truthful to say that Biden never tells the truth. I can’t find a single solitary sentence that Biden has told that was truthful.
      
      Same as our ex-pm who stood down because she had nothing left in the tank. Her random sentence generator circuits had burnt out.
      
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      July 6, 2024 9:01am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Joe doesn’t know he is lying, he just says what Obama tells him to say.
        
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        July 6, 2024 9:59am
      - Greenheart
        
        This discussion has become silly and boring. To say Biden only lies is ridiculous. In their debate Trump was alledged to tell 30 lies and Biden 9. They both lie.
        
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        July 6, 2024 10:40am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Did you see who the “fact checker” was ? Who fact checks the fact checker? They said Biden didn’t lie. 😆
        
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        July 6, 2024 12:36pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Greenheart
        
        [1] Do you have any specifics on Trumps “alleged” lies, or are you parroting what you have heard or seen?
        
        [2] Name something truthful (of importance) that Biden has said. “I’ve pissed my pants”, or “I want to go home” doesn’t count.
        
        🙂
        
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        July 6, 2024 5:24pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Just so I understand. Are you advocating for abortion to be made illegal in New Zealand?
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:39am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    No, but the law against infanticide enforsed. If a healthy baby from a botched abortion survives it should be cared for and not left to die.
    
    Do you agree with me BY?
    
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    July 6, 2024 10:46am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      That babies should not be murdered after being born alive? Yes. I did not know that happened in New Zealand.
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:57am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        BY. That is great. I cannot say for certain that it happens here but it almost certainly does. When Ardern’s abortion bill was going through its second reading Simon O’Connor moved an amendment stating if a baby survives a botched abortion it must be provided with care. It was voted down. It is a sick joke that MPs lacking a conscience get to make conscience votes.
        
        It appears some on this blog think the baby should be left to die.
        
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        July 6, 2024 11:11am
      - lifesgood
        
        BY, tell me what you see as the difference between murdering a baby before it is born, i.e. abortion, and murdering it after. It is obvious that this would happen. When a baby is expendable at whatever stage of development it was always going to be a slippery slope.
        
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        July 6, 2024 12:57pm
      - Hapuku
        
        It is definitely true. If babies survive an abortion they are just left to die.
        
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        July 6, 2024 1:38pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      @Chuck Bird @ 10:46AM
      
      Chuck, as I said to lifesgood just eight days ago, here, https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/06/its_all_over-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-3581555, and to you two or three times in the last couple of years, it is not possible for late-term abortions (after 20 weeks gestation) to be carried out of perfectly healthy fetuses in this country.
      
      After 20 weeks, a healthy fetus would be delivered by caesarean section. It would not be aborted. Why do you keep ignoring this? You’ve read the relevant legislation. If you think healthy late-term fetuses are being aborted in this country, provide evidence, or let it go!
      
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      July 6, 2024 6:07pm
Scott

Is the great replacement real?
“The original theory states that, with the complicity or cooperation of “replacist” elites, the ethnic French and white European populations at large are being demographically and culturally replaced by non-white peoples—especially from Muslim-majority countries—through mass migration, demographic growth and a drop in the birth rate of white Europeans.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement

Look at the French football team today.

https://dailysports.net/news/france-at-euro-2024-squad-group-schedule-kits-and-odds-to-win/

Here is the French team at the Euros in 1984.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/football/top-stories/euro-1984-playmaker-platini-helps-france-bag-crown/amp_articleshow/52631568.cms

Notice the difference? Europe has gone in the space of a generation from predominantly white people to a multiracial mix where whites are often in the minority.

Should we be concerned about this? I think it’s a shame that white people are becoming the minority in Europe and in many other parts of the world.
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July 6, 2024 8:02am
- AitchW
  
  To be fair if you judged NZ based on the All Blacks you assume that we are almost entirely a Maori and Pacifica nation.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:16am
  - cmm
    
    Maybe the same is happening here and we’re just a decade or two behind.
    
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    July 6, 2024 9:23am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      We don’t need to wonder. Barring some dramatic changes, in 50 years New Zealand will be predominantly Asian / Maori / PI.
      
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      July 6, 2024 11:01am
      - Close Hen Counters
        
        That’s quite depressing Ben – and here I am wasting sadness on the plight of Britain this morning!! 😢
        
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        July 6, 2024 11:16am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        And will they be kind to the minority white people or putting the boot in because racism is racism no matter the colour of your skin?
        
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        July 6, 2024 1:17pm
      - AitchW
        
        All separate races will be watered down. All we need is a great big melting pot…..
        
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        July 6, 2024 1:23pm
  - Paulus
    
    Then why do we need to have a Maori All Blacks any more ?
    
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    July 6, 2024 10:32am
- cmm
  
  A football team is not representative of the current demographics of a country, but quite likely is of the future demographics.
  
  A football team comprises mostly people in their 20s. Not many 60+ year olds.
  
  In France the ethnic French (I’ll call them whites) are breeding way below average and Muslims – especially the recent migrants – are breeding way higher than the average.
  
  On top of that, a far higher % of the white French have already done their breeding (ie are over 45) and while they are still part of the current population they have no further contribution to future populations.
  
  At the current rates France will be majority Muslim before the end of the century.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:32am
  - Michael Sommerville
    
    And that is their aim.
    
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    July 6, 2024 9:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Prime Ministers and Immigration just can’t understand that.
      Most lefties as well!
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:17am
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm: And then God help the French nation. And we are blindly following the errors of the Western European nations and letting scores of the subscribers to the death cult in every year.
    
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    July 6, 2024 10:24am
    - cmm
      
      The Frogs will be Frogs. We can only control our own destiny.
      
      While our Muslim numbers are still low, we are doing the same sort of thing with Polynesians.
      Of the world’s major groups, the only ones that are breeding at a furious rate are Black Africans, Muslim Middle Easterners and Polynesians.
      
      Any western population with significant numbers of any of those is on the way out.
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:53am
- Mike
  
  What goes around comes around. Europeans conquered the whole world apart from China and Japan. Now largely peaceful demographic changes is sweeping Europe.
  Luckily the differences between tribes of humans are negligible when compared with their common humanity.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:48am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Mike endorses Islam and its barbarity. Thanks for the confirmation Michael.
    
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    July 6, 2024 10:01am
    - kowtow
      
      I never , ever respond to him but he’s not nearly as clever as he thinks he is .
      
      Europeans conquered China in a series of wars through the 19th c . Russia still holds a huge swathe of what the Chinese consider is theirs in the Far East . The final chapter in that particular story is yet to be told.
      
      And even though they weren’t strictly “Europeans” people with English and Scottish names conquered and occupied a very defeated Japan in 1945 .
      
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      July 6, 2024 12:15pm
      - Mike
        
        Europeans defeated China and Japan in wars and occupied parts of China and all of Japan for short periods. Sorry for the slight inaccuracy in my generalization.
        
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        July 6, 2024 2:06pm
  - cmm
    
    “Luckily the differences between tribes of humans are negligible when compared with their common humanity.”
    
    Genetically yes, but then we’re something like 98.8% the same as chimpanzees and nobody is suggesting we should give chimps the vote.
    
    IQ is highly variable across populations. Sure, sometimes that is due to “cultural” aspects to how it is measured, but mostly it is not. When you have populations where the average IQ is in the 70s they’re not going to get anywhere useful.
    
    Guess what, it is almost exclusively the low IQ people that are breeding significantly. Very few high IQ people are leaving many offspring.
    
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    July 6, 2024 10:58am
    - kowtow
      
      The common humanity thing is utter bollocks too.
      
      The Hindu’s of India harbour a very deep , lasting and abiding hatred of their neighbours who they see as invaders from the north .
      
      The Japanese are to this day widely and still disliked across many parts of their Greater East Asia Co Prosperity Sphere , for their brutal occupation thereof .
      
      That’s just for starters .
      
      Common humanity pfft.
      
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      July 6, 2024 12:20pm
      - Mike
        
        I don’t expect a bigoted Ulsterman to consider Irish catholics as fully human, let alone consider humanity as one.
        
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        July 6, 2024 2:10pm
    - Mike
      
      I’m unlikely to go along with the racial views of a South African exile who likes to tell Kiwis how Maori should be treated.
      
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      July 6, 2024 2:08pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Have you browsed the MFAT “DO NOT TRAVEL” list of nations?
    
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    July 6, 2024 11:08am
    - Mike
      
      Most of those countries haven’t been as thoroughly colonized as the Chinese managed in Taiwan.
      
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      July 6, 2024 2:11pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Does the idea of western society being swamped with dark ages savagery give you a thrill Milky?
    
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    July 6, 2024 2:04pm
    - Mike
      
      I don’t think Australians are going to take over the world, no.
      
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      July 6, 2024 2:12pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Mike it pays to remember that … For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
    
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    July 6, 2024 2:46pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    “Largely peaceful” apart from the raping, looting and murdering….?
    
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    July 6, 2024 2:52pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    “Europeans conquered the whole world apart from China and Japan”
    
    Europeans’ real crime is being successful. The Arabs had a pretty good go at conquering the world, getting as far as Iberia in the west and Transoxiana in the east. Their advance into Europe was only stopped by an energetic Frankish leader, Charles Martel. The Arabs also enslaved millions: Europeans, Asians and Africans. They just weren’t quite as successful at conquest or administration as the Spanish or the English. And what about the Mongols, who lorded it over much of Asia and eastern Europe for centuries. They had their day, they were just never quite as successful as the Europeans who came later.And what about the Ottomans, who ruled over one of the most extensive empires the world has ever seen, and who twice knocked on the gates of Vienna. But unlike western Europe and North America, Turkey isn’t currently being invaded by the 3rd world, because the Ottomans – for all their military successes and plundering of conquered lands – failed to generate the sort of wealth that enabled the West to create unprecedented infrastructure and public services.
    
    As for your “peaceful demographic change” – I suggest you visit Marseille or Malmo.
    
    But I’m delighted to meet a leftoid who believes in people’s common humanity. Because the policies of LINO, the Greens and TMP show that they plainly don’t.
    
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    July 6, 2024 7:03pm
- artemisia
  
  Muhammad and variations has been revealed as the most popular name in the UK for new babies.
  
  Don’t think we are in that category, but do know of two immigrant families, several children each, two separate households, one in social housing on benefits. Other household, I don’t know. Same father, believe so anyway.
  
  Will the coalition government be bringing back the requirement to name the father/s?
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:51am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    All Muslims name their first son Muhammad. You’d be getting a very different picture if it was a centuries-old cultural practice in England to name the first son Adam.
    
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    July 6, 2024 10:02am
    - Taieri
      
      All Muslims name their first son Muhammad.
      —————-
      
      No. I have known a several first born Muslims and their names were not Muhammad.
      
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      July 6, 2024 11:09am
      - Mike
        
        It might be more accurate to characterize it as a widespread Muslim tradition.
        
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        July 6, 2024 2:37pm
Tasman devil

The refreshing aspects of the Q3 plan are the absence of kindness, empathy, and propaganda.

Each passing day of this government makes one realise how debilitating it was to have that thick and lazy Cindy waffling sanctimonious platitudes.

Everything went backwards under her tenure except insincerity which became universe leading.
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July 6, 2024 8:12am
- AitchW
  
  When your aim is to improve the economy, the health and education systems, and to get more crims off the streets and you are making progress there is no need to hide behind a smokescreen.
  Unlike the last government which camouflaged its incompetence, bewilderment and lack of ambition as “kindness”.
  Actions speak louder than words. An old but accurate expression which Hipkins et al would do well to examine if they are have any hope of climbing out of the margin of electoral error.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:36am
  - Paulus
    
    But voters got used to the media expanding Ardern’s theory that they vote 53% for her – that is over half of the voters and I believe we will see that same people vote against the current elected Government at the next election as the media are continuing to persuade in every direction what the anti male voted for before.
    We are told a few days ago that of the 2870 Public Services Executives 53% are now women, and that is expected to be towards 60% before too long.
    We live in a changing World changing fast.
    
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    July 6, 2024 10:41am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Report Reveals Extent of Biden’s Mental Collapse, Including Terrifying Quotes From Friends.
“As the article’s headline indicates, there was quite literally a “conspiracy of silence” protecting Joe Biden. Democrats justified to themselves that the threat of Donald Trump overshadowed any care for whether the President of the United States was mentally competent to fulfill the duties of his office. That takes this well past just arguments about the 2024 election. This is a genuine scandal in its own right, and the list of accessories is a mile long.”

I find it disturbing that the Democrats are so desperate and so scared of what Donald Trump will do to their corrupt swamp lifestyle that they continue to use a very sick man to try and keep the mess that they have.
Poor Joe. He does not even know!

https://discernreport.com/bombshell-report-reveals-extent-of-bidens-mental-collapse-including-terrifying-quotes-from-friends/?

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/07/04/bombshell-report-reveals-extent-of-bidens-mental-collapse-including-terrifying-quotes-from-friends-n2176385
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July 6, 2024 8:13am
- JackRabbit
  
  Steve, I believe that hiding and denying the fact that Biden had deteriorated to stuffed rag doll status, was deliberate.
  
  I also believe that revealing it now, and allowing the media to feed on it, was also deliberate.
  
  A combination of putting someone in his place with a “fresh and with a new” perspective, and then the new pandemic that the ‘experts’ have ~~predicted will~~ scheduled to arrive in Q3/Q4 of 2024, will enforce the use of mail-in ballots and the ‘new and fresh’ Democrat candidate will win hands down.
  
  Fake mail-in ballots, a rigged voting system, dead people voting, and Democrat voting immigrants flooding across the southern border will ensure a ‘landslide’ win to the Democrats.
  
  It worked in 2020.
  
  “I’ve got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel.”
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:14am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    I recommend to you Occam’s Razor:
    “Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate.”
    [Which might be translated as “The simplest explanation is the most likely.”]
    
    And also Hanlon’s Razor:
    “Never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
    
    What we have here is an old man whose mind is deteriorating and becoming erratic. However, he likes the position he’s got and will not admit to himself that this is happening. His friends and lackeys are covering up for him a) because they are friends, b) because that is their job and c) because their own positions depend on him.
    
    I see no reason to posit any more complicated conspiracy theories.
    
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    July 6, 2024 9:34am
    - Paulus
      
      Is he really that silly that he cannot admit his potential senility to himself.
      Being a few years older than he is I can easily, and have done so for a while.
      But it is only in such as decision making that I have to pause to weigh up the conclusions first.
      Biden is a Puppet on a string.
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:45am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Some politicians never realise that they are well past their use-by date.
        
        By now MacDonald’s health was giving way and he suffered from eye trouble, insomnia and encroaching senility. It was observed that when he rose to speak in the House of Commons no one had the faintest idea of what he might say and after he sat down, no one was any the wiser.
        
        https://www.historytoday.com/archive/fall-ramsay-macdonald#:~:text=By%20now%20MacDonald's%20health%20was,one%20was%20any%20the%20wiser.
        
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        July 6, 2024 12:30pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Occam’s Razor in latin is: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatum. (entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity)
      
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      July 6, 2024 3:38pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      If you are familiar with Occam’s Razor and Hanlon’s Razor, you will also be aware of the well published caveats and limitations, especially in the case of Hanlon’s Razor.
      
      “Applied broadly, this principle suggests that when assessing people’s actions, you should not assume that they acted out of a desire to cause harm, as long as there is a reasonable alternative explanation.
      
      [1] It is not reasonable to assume that the deep state have vowed NOT to use Biden in any way.
      “No leave US politics alone. Just focus on NZ, South Africa and Venezuela.”
      
      [2] It is NOT reasonable to assume that the bulk of the Western world were hypnotised into seeing an inept senile pants pissing, hair sniffing, girl grabbing dirty old man in charge of the USA for the last 3.6 years, when in fact he was a young at heart, dashing, energetic and articulate political equivalent of Simon Cowell.
      
      Hanlon’s razor doesn’t imply that actions never occur due to malice. Rather, it suggests that, as long as it’s reasonable to do so, it’s better to assume that negative outcomes occurred as a result of stupidity or similar causes, rather than malice.
      
      https://effectiviology.com/hanlons-razor/
      
      When it comes to politics, usually the simplest explanation for most actions that dismantle democracy and/or the US constitution and/or common law, is provided by the motives of money, power, greed and ego.
      
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      July 6, 2024 5:07pm
- Matt Long
  
  “Under artificial light and in the sunshine, he took on an unnatural gleam. He looked, well, inflated. His eyes were half-shut or open very wide. They appeared darker than they once had, his pupils dilated. He did not blink at regular intervals.”
  *Other worldly. ”
  https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/conspiracy-of-silence-to-protect-joe-biden.html
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:28am
  - rouppe
    
    You see it every time he walks into a room.
    
    Time and again he looks straight ahead, like it takes 80% of him just to walk 20m from a door, through a room and onto a stage or lectern.
    
    He never stops to greet anyone, doesn’t seem to make eye contact
    
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    July 6, 2024 9:47am
    - kowtow
      
      He greeted the non existent debate audience.
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:19am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Unless he has one foot in the grave and only drugs are keeping him alive, in a normal person you would assume they were high as a kite, or stoned out of their mind.
      
      I’m sure many would recognise that behaviour.
      
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      July 6, 2024 5:16pm
- cmm
  
  Anyone who could not see this was only being self-deluding.
  
  It looks like now that they have decided he’s past protecting they’re now ganging together to throw him as far under the bus as possible.
  
  To me it looks like they’re now trying to paint all older people as frail and not up to the job with the hope that this takes Trump under the bus too.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Washington Post withdrawal Speech?

” it reads as if it were penned by a 19-year-old Vassar student who perhaps may have consumed a mind-altering substance and is now deep inside an almost otherworldly fantasy.”

https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2024/07/04/bizarro-world-wapo-editorial-board-writes-weird-fantasy-withdrawal-speech-for-biden-n2176390
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July 6, 2024 8:20am
kowtow

When DOC and others kill cats it’s saving “taonga” , and there’s no deliberately seeded opinions from animal “rights” activists but when farmers’ rural group does it’s “controversial” and there’s plenty of outraged comment , no doubt sought by the journo looking to increase the odium against a targetted group .

Mind you the English at RNZ is getting worser and worser.

“we’re finding feral cats thorough out the whole region,” Black said……

“They’re really trap adverse so they won’t go into traps…..”

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/100-feral-cats-caught-rees-valley-near-glenorchy
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July 6, 2024 8:22am
- JackRabbit
  
  …but when farmers’ rural group does it’s “controversial”
  
  As will all things. When the “right” cut down trees to farm the land, it was slammed by the left. When the “elite” cut down trees to build wind turbines that are a scourge on the environment, the “left” celebrate.
  
  It is never about the environment, it is always about the politics.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:18am
- Mike
  
  Mind you the English at RNZ is getting worser and worser.
  
  I’m going to be charitable and assume your use of ‘worser’ is a deliberately ironic breach of Muphry’s Law.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:54am
kowtow

The Herald has a report from Reuters today on Starmer’s win . Plenty of coverage about the issues he encountered from the public on his campaign trail out and about and the issues he’ll face in office …….not one mention of illegal immigration .
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July 6, 2024 8:32am
- JackRabbit
  
  …not one mention of illegal immigration.
  
  Why would you expose a rort that worked in your favour?
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:19am
  - kowtow
    
    A titbit from the election is that areas where there were very heavy concentrations of Muslim voters favoured “independents” in a very marked swing away from Labour , cos Gaza . In areas where they weren’t so heavily concentrated ,not so much.
    
    It is extraordinary though how a terrorist campaign waged from Tehran against ademocracy can sway so many voters in Britain whose families have not even come from that area but are actually “south” Asians. ( which they’re not anyway)
    
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    July 6, 2024 9:32am
    - John Loveridge
      
      As an English-born (but Kiwi-raised) NZer I have strong ties to the Mother Country and make regular trips there to visit family, including my brothers who have lived back there for many years, and friends. We generally agree that Muslim immigration has gone a long way towards buggering the place.
      
      And this week, surveying the barren political landscape, I asked a friend what has happened to that breed of great Englishmen the country used to turn out by the multitude, the men who put the great into Great Britain. All gone, he said, with the socialist/liberal penetration of our once great institutions.
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:28am
    - Mike
      
      Just because the Ulster unionists have been all but wiped out of the parliament is no reason to get upset about all the other tribes you hate.
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:57am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Mike it appears you get bitchy at anyone NOT wanting the destruction of western society.
        
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        July 6, 2024 2:10pm
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      Watch Jess Phillips speech after holding Birmingham Yardley. Copping abuse from pro hamas idiots and muslims in the crowd, and she will not back down. Whilst shes labour I have nothing but respect for her.
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4ng3j1pnpqo
      
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      July 6, 2024 11:37am
      - kowtow
        
        What a contrast with so many other polling stations, done in good English humour , with various characters dressed up in nutty costumes from nonsense parties .
        
        I have no doubts that while this has been reported , it won’t get “obsessive” coverage , because racism, innit.
        
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        July 6, 2024 1:30pm
- Paulus
  
  Remember he has only ever been a Public Servant in his so called career.
  So Form a Committee and do a Paper first.
  His MPs will piss all over him quite quickly if he wavers in anything, which he will.
  How long he will last with that huge Majority with so many idle hands will be interesting.
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:50am
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  Forget the illegal immigration. Just the legal immigration has irrevocably damaged British culture and society. At this point, even halting all immigration for a couple of decades would merely be a salvage operation.
  
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  July 6, 2024 5:58pm
gonzo

I’m sure Chippie and Labour will be all excited by the UK labour landslide. But they’ll probably skip over that they’re moving in Corbyn’s direction, not more centrist like Starmer.
Starmer may not come across that strong at times… but he knifed Corbyn pretty quickly🙂
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July 6, 2024 8:38am
- Inandout
  
  gonzo, I guess Sir Keir Starmer is the first Knight of the Realm to be chosen to lead the UK Labour Party.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:21am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Correct.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_of_the_Labour_Party_(UK)
    
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    July 6, 2024 9:42am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Apparently [Mod – use correct names] is being flown into the Uk to fill two advisor contracts with Labour UK, one a short term one as to what went right with her approach and the second is a much longer one for what went wrong. Expected to be in the Uk for months.
  
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  July 6, 2024 12:45pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Ok Mod, that would be Jacinda Ardern
    
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    July 6, 2024 1:47pm
I remember when

I notice that Joe seems to be spending a lot of time catching the sun.
He is looking lovely and brown.
Makes him look healthier?
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July 6, 2024 8:45am
- sirknz
  
  Can’t take credit for this but now both sides can say ‘Orange man bad’…
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:24am
- John Loveridge
  
  He’s been looking like a waxed cadaver lately, so I’m guessing they’ve changed the colour of the wax to give him a more lifelike appearance. The Weekend At Joe’s isn’t quite over yet.
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:32am
Bridgenag

Back in the USSR. Are We the Soviets Now?
“Unherd” interviews Sir Niall Ferguson

“Fascinating point of view regarding the current political situations in the USA and Europe from across the Atlantic. This is not for those who want a quick, pre-digested overview but rather provides a deep intellectual dive into an alternative narrative that differs sharply from the approved.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/back-in-the-ussr-are-we-the-soviets?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 6, 2024 8:45am
- Master Mariner
  
  The thing I find fascinating is the USSR is promoting Family Morales and Ethics and the West is promoting the Breakdown of the Family Structure.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:23am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Correct MM.
    Interesting that Fergusson sees Starmer increasing the use of DEI as a tool to forment social divisions and conflict as a diversion from his inability to turn the UK around.
    Quite evil really, Adernesque.
    We will be seeing in the UK anti government riots, similar to those in France, very soon.
    
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    July 6, 2024 9:44am
    - trout
      
      Perhaps Starmer should look to NZ to see how diversity hires have turned out. We are seeing a cleanout of diversity hires in the top echelons of the public service; leadership and Boards, because of their incompetence, and unwillingness to conform to the demands of their political masters.
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:49am
    - Paulus
      
      The UK anti Government riots when they start will be many of those who elected Labour as they are not doing what Starmer said they would.
      It will hit the fan soon enough.
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:52am
    - Master Mariner
      
      DEI is simply a tool for ESG in Global Governance.
      
      Here’s a great clip by Forbes,
      “You’re Good, Man, You’re Good, Seriously’: Jeff Van Drew Grills Investment Officer About ESG”.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1nRoKu-89U
      
      What does it mean for NZ,
      Look no further than the Reserve Bank and NZ Super to see how (in)effective it really is but in all honesty it perverts all manner of NZ societal norms.
      
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      July 6, 2024 1:07pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Good link Bridge,
  The “deaths of despair” comment does help explain the unhealthy mood that has come over societies.
  As well as witnessing the destruction of our present, it seems that there are a growing number of our youth who are seeing the future as something to dread, hence the overdoses of drugs and alcohol and general drop in standards.
  
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  July 6, 2024 11:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

Do the Nats have any strategies for dealing with hostile journalists and activist public servants?

Michael Bassett thinks they don’t.

Civil Servants need to realise that if they continue to play games leaking material and being truculent over policy implementation then further staff retrenchments will occur, and the salaries saved will be put into buying services from consultants. A few fires lit in your critics’ backyards can also be powerful aids to progress. But the process requires determined, consistent leadership, which these days is rather too intermittent to leave me feeling confident that enough reform will be achieved to stop New Zealand’s downward slide.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-dealing-with-enemies-of-this-ministry
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July 6, 2024 8:59am
- sirknz
  
  National needs to understand that the journalists are not their friends, will never be their friends, and should be treated accordingly.
  
  No matter what the Nats propose, the journalists will find the negative angle and work it.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:26am
  - AitchW
    
    Surely their best tactic is to implement successful policy, ignore the baying media and let results speak for themselves?
    
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    July 6, 2024 9:40am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Think this video posted before …spells it out
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7-4AgPCaKSc&pp=ygUiQW5kcmV3IG5laWwgb24gZ292ZXJubWVudCBpbiBtZWRpYQ%3D%3D
      
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      July 6, 2024 9:51am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      Well, yeah. But how can the results “speak” other than by being reported by the media?
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:05am
  - Michael Sommerville
    
    They need to ignore the MSM and do interviews with the likes of The Platform but they even need to call out the journalists for their biased and stupid questions.
    
    Don’t be so passive.
    
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    July 6, 2024 9:54am
    - Ghost
      
      Ah so you want a government that is selective of the media they use. We just got rid of a pm who was like that. Also the vast majority of this country don’t use the platform.
      
      Government needs to do what they are doing. Do their pressers, answer the questions and keep doing their jobs. The market will sort out the media and already has. Newshub gone. Stuff restructured. The new work to get Google and Facebook to pay will speed it up as they turn news feeds off leading to a decrease in traffic and revenue
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:05am
    - AitchW
      
      Families who have more money in the bank after bills and taxes are paid, whose kids are doing well in a progressive and supportive education system and who know that if they get sick will receive prompt and appropriate treatment in the health system will see the progress no matter how often the media tell them otherwise.
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:39am
    - Albie
      
      Michael, you are obviously a listener to The Platform. Do you have any idea why Luxon refuses to be interviewed? He has only fronted once, last October if memory serves me correctly, and Plunket was courteous ) as much as he can be) and professional.
      His ministers front, so what’s the problem d0 you think?
      I am sure there are many National supporters who listen to The Platform who are as baffled as me.
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:58am
  - Mod88
    
    The Goldsmith/Jackson Digital Media Bill proves that National will never learn that lesson. The Uni-Party is alive and well make no mistake.
    
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    July 6, 2024 9:55am
    - Ghost
      
      The digital bill is genius and will lead to lower traffic to news sites
      
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      July 6, 2024 10:07am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hahahaahaha
        I’m not sure National is that clever
        
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        July 6, 2024 10:36am
      - Ghost
        
        Who knows, but it’s what will happen. Facebook turned the news feeds off in the USA in April. Aussie at the same time I think.
        
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        July 6, 2024 10:49am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Sirk,
    Correct.
    The tv3 hit job on Seymour for his refusal to back the Digital media bill should tell the government everything it needs to know about the bias and appalling lack of ethics of the political activists who pose as media.
    
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    July 6, 2024 11:27am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      TV3 – who da?
      
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      July 6, 2024 11:40am
    - kowtow
      
      They can look closer to home at the Uffindel assault.
      
      Deliberately keeping it till released strategically to torpedo what was a ‘good news’ weekend / start to the news cycle following the Nat annual conference .
      
      And still they want to fund them.
      
      The Turkey Party .
      
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      July 6, 2024 11:54am
      - AitchW
        
        Kowtow, perhaps it’s a case of keeping your friends close and your enemy closer?
        
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        July 6, 2024 4:10pm
      - kowtow
        
        HW
        
        See aor at 1036 above.
        
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        July 6, 2024 6:17pm
    - Ghost
      
      No. This hit job has been sitting and waiting for a while. They used it then because they were closing down.p, otherwise they would hold it until august
      
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      July 6, 2024 6:21pm
Clyde

Today on an RNZ (Red Radio) publication there is a story about Joanna Paul. It reads in part “Paul-Robie, who worked at the network for over three years, remembers watching her first broadcast back and thought she looked washed out and sick until she realised the lighting was not tailored for a non-Pākehā presenter.

“I said there’s something wrong, I mean I look dreadful, I look like I’ve been drowned and come out of the Titanic. What’s wrong and I went over and over and finally figured it out, it was the lighting.

“The lighting was for white people. That all the lightings had always been set up for white people on air, they’d never been set up for brown people,” Paul-Robie said.”

This is a disgraceful crock of effluent. TV presenter lighting does not vary because of the colour of the presenter’s skin. If a person’s skin colour is darker than anothers then it looks darker on camera. This woman owes an apology to those skilled technical crew for her scurrilous comments, but of course it won’t happen – she is too busy being a racist.
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July 6, 2024 9:03am
- Philview
  
  Joanna has terminal cancer so we wish her well. I think a bigger story could be the number of New Zealand news readers of that era who have succumbed to cancer at a young age. Of the top of my head Paul Holmes, Phil Leishman, Angela Daudney, Cathy Campbell There are others and some survivors as well.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:44am
  - Clyde
    
    I don’t think that there are any causative factors between reading an autocue and cancer. Unless of course you have some real statistical analysis. But clearly Joanna Paul is talking racist crap about “lighting” being the cause of her perception that she looked like someone who had been dragged out of the Titanic. She is speaking bollocks and thats an end to it.
    
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    July 6, 2024 10:45am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I wonder if journalists of yesteryear were more likely to be “hard living” (IE heavy drinkers and/or smokers)?
      
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      July 6, 2024 2:15pm
- John Loveridge
  
  You can be sure that Joanna Paul had this epiphany about non-Pakeha lighting fairly recently. Nobody had dreamed that sort of bullshit up back in 1989.
  
  Absolute nonsense from Paul.
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:36am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350332950/education-ministry-goes-too-far-stripping-kindy-licence

Read this and weep: it is being closed because there is not enough maorification.

It does not say whether there are in fact any “maori” kids attending this kindy.
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July 6, 2024 9:05am
- Matt Long
  
  My daughter’s Kindergarten has to teach ancient Maori superstition to keep it’s licence as well.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:19am
  - tavita
    
    Our boy goes to a catholic school. We were invited to a liturgy to celebrate the maori new year. All these non-maori parents sitting in their church applauding the kids presenting maori creation myths. You have to laugh otherwise you would cry. I wondered why the school is so keen on teaching the kids maori but the article made it clear – they have to in order to keep their license. Mind you the teachers at this school seem to be on board with the program.
    
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    July 6, 2024 12:34pm
- kowtow
  
  Ethno nationalist fascism at the dept of education.
  
  Someone needs to be fired , the lesson “Kill one to frighten a hundred” which the bureacrats are engaging in can work both ways .
  
  I hope the young mothers at the kindy have learned the lesson that voting Labour is a kiss of death.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:23am
  - AitchW
    
    Another example of a government department blatantly pushing the separatist narrow in defiance of government instructions .
    An openly hostile public service doing its best to derail the government’s efforts to improve a dysfunctional education system.
    
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    July 6, 2024 9:46am
  - Inandout
    
    kow, it has seeped into Islam pre school as well.
    https://www.haleema.org.nz/
    
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    July 6, 2024 10:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Even the notion of a “curriculum” for a kindy seems dopey to me.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:45am
  - OlderChas
    
    Agree completely Maggy. Dopey is one word for it!
    
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    July 6, 2024 12:09pm
- rouppe
  
  Ah, you just need to look at the photo of Ministry of Education Central deputy secretary Jocelyn Mikaere to see why.
  
  Got the moko on, so biased already – unconscious or otherwise – about the “culturally responsive practices” and “ensuring te reo and tikanga Māori were an integral part of the curriculum”.
  
  By the way, since when did kindergartens need a curriculum? In my day they were a place for supervised play.
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:05am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    She is clearly of mixed blood. Which must be a great mental challenge if you are promoting decolonisation— one part of your DNA is the colonised and the other part is the decolonized. What mental anguish this must create in a person of honesty and integrity.
    
    The dishonest subscribe to being a fully colonised victim eg Debbie Packer, Willie Jackson, and push the agenda to their benefit and everybody else is a loser.
    
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    July 6, 2024 11:08am
- emmess
  
  The Indoctrination Ministry should be what is being shut down
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:21am
- John Loveridge
  
  This bullshit really is going too far. What about the rights of parents and children not to have Maori culture and language forced upon them?
  
  But look at the picture of the ethno-fascist responsible. Say no more.
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:40am
  - Notsofast
    
    The picture of Jocelyn Mikaere has now been removed from the article.
    I wonder what that means. I doubt that kindergarten will be shut down after Monday, I hope there is a way to track this story.
    
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    July 6, 2024 3:16pm
    - greybeard
      
      Well spotted, and I suspect that you are correct about the shut-down.
      Wait for the excuses about “wrong data” and “wrong people talking” and “wrong interpretation of rules” etc etc.
      
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      July 6, 2024 4:47pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Seymour has something to say about it.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350334306/ministry-appears-be-acting-against-will-community-shutting-down-kindergarten-act
    
    “A National spokesperson said the kindergarten closure was an “operational matter for the ministry”.” So another BAU copout for National, nothing to see here. Vote ACT/NZF in 2026 to cancel the ethnostate.
    
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    July 6, 2024 5:21pm
- Paulus
  
  We have a new what was once called a Primary School in Millers road Brookfield, Tauranga, and now a brand new quietly built $50 million later, there is no mention of Primary School but everything is now geared and converted to a Kura.
  Not Primary or any sign of but Te Kura Mananui I think it is called.
  A tough Maori woman Principle of course.
  The old school up the road I am told is a new Maori immersion something.
  This was all done “unknown to the media”.
  Yea !
  
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  July 6, 2024 11:01am
- Gravelroad
  
  Probably too many kids from a farming background at this kindy – descended from white colonists.
  Nice way to discriminate against rural communities though …nice.
  
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  July 6, 2024 11:05am
- Notsofast
  
  Thank you for drawing attention to this.
  The great cults of Maori, gender, and to a lesser extent Islam, continue to steal New Zealand from its hard working citizens.
  This story reveals a terrible crisis, if this government does not intervene it is game set and match for the once were savages.
  
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  July 6, 2024 11:26am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Replacing Kamala Harris With Barack Obama?
I think they may mean Joe steps down, Kamala runs for POTUS and Obama runs for VP. If something happens to Kamala then Obama can not be President.
Obama will pull in a shitload of votes for Kamala, and if she should win, Obama will be Kamala’s puppeteer with full control. A 4th term for him!

https://discernreport.com/law-professor-suggests-replacing-kamala-harris-with-barack-obama-as-bidens-2024-running-mate/?
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July 6, 2024 9:06am
- NothingLeft
  
  Obama can’t be vp or any other position in presidential line of Succession. 2 term limit!
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder if I lack a Kulcha gene… or do I just have some finely tuned bull-shit detectors?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521430/burning-man-nz-artists-building-18m-road-cone-to-light-up-nevada-desert
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July 6, 2024 9:07am
- JackRabbit
  
  “We’re not only building a large traffic cone, but we’re building an idol for us to worship,” he said.
  
  “All hail the mighty road cone, the precursor of 15 minute cities.”
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:23am
- rouppe
  
  Hippathy Valentine also did this
  
  https://canterburystories.nz/collections/community/cathywhite/ccl-cs-19236
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:09am
Yvette

Maori – and what is happening “there” (in the US) is happening “here” (New Zealand)?

The New York Times –

After his shockingly poor performance in last week’s debate, President Biden is facing mounting pressure to drop out of the 2024 election. Influential voices in his own party have called for him to step aside. Polls indicate that many voters hope he will. Yet so far, he is staying the course.

There’s a formal name for this trap: escalation of commitment to a losing course of action. In the face of impending failure, extensive evidence shows, instead of rethinking our plans, we often double down on our decisions. It feels better to be a fighter than a quitter.

One of the tragedies of the human condition is that we use our big brains not to make rational decisions but rather to rationalize the decisions we’ve already made. We stick around too long in dead-end jobs. We stay in unhappy marriages even after friends have counseled us to leave. We stand by candidates even after they violate our principles.

It would seem to be a summary of some circumstances that –

“When unpleasant things happen in our lives, we can become either wise or wounded – that is our choice” – Sadhguru

Which may be an individual reaction, or it can effect even a perceived ethnic demograph: Maori, not of course all, but many, as Kelvin Davis has said –

“After nine years of this National Government, propped up by the Māori party, there’s not a lot to brag about. Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch. https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1702/S00255/no-mana-for-maori.htm

And as you can see, that was for cheap political gain, but a mantra repeated often enough and defining a view based in some fact – an example: ”Māori are more likely to be unvaccinated, so throw millions of dollars at it” – but it is often a view not challenged, and with frequent repetition it becomes a belief of both non-Maori and Maori, as not wise but wounded, and then compounded by a trait now defined further by Biden’s displayed reaction and an escalation of commitment to a losing course of action.

And the Maori King Movement is now urging this unquestioned mantra to unify against an another mantra that is vaguely defined: “Seymour’s unquestioned erasure of their race” – and an escalation of commitment to a losing course of action.

Watch it happen – another escalation of commitment to a losing course of action
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July 6, 2024 9:08am
- John Loveridge
  
  Let me fix that:
  
  “After six years of this Labour Government, propped up by the Māori party and Green Party, there’s not a lot to brag about. Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated…”
  
  At what point does it occur to anybody that Maoris themselves might be to blame, rather than successive governments?
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:43am
  - Yvette
    
    John, Kelvin Davis at the time he said that (later in February 2017) he was in Opposition, but by the end of that year Labour did become a “successive government” so he was right, the statement is right and what you have suggested is also somewhat likely right
    
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    July 6, 2024 12:11pm
  - MCōs
    
    You forgot about Winston who has gone from zero to hero on Kiwiblog
    At no stage were the Maori Party part of the Labour government as they were with the Nats
    
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    July 6, 2024 12:44pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Did the Nats announce they would be in bed with the Maori party before they were elected? Or was that another of their arrogant, undemocratic and foolish “captain’s calls”?
      
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      July 6, 2024 2:18pm
ecco

Longstanding Wellingtonian here who made the move to Auckland for job a couple of years ago. Just visiting Wellington this week to catch up with friends. Love the city but it’s shocking to see it slowly going down the gurgler. Moral is very bad here. Spoke to a Lambton Quay retailer. It’s pretty dire what’s happening with the dismantling of the beautiful Golden mile by Wcc. Also the amount of cycle ways being put in everywhere and parks being taken out. The retailer was desperately hoping a Commissioner would be appointed to boot the destructive green led council into touch.

Dined with friends in a really decent restaurant in Manners st on Thursday. We were the only table there for most of the evening. How can they make ends meet with this situation? Things are serious here.

Hotel rates have more or less fallen off a cliff in Wellington compared to what they used to be as well here and there are some very reasonable rates out there if you were planning a stay.

I’m a conservative but think maybe they need to tai ho on the public service cuts for a bit unless they want to see the total shutdown of this town. I know they deserve it for voting in Team Tory. Honestly it’s like death by 1000(or 17,0000) cuts.

Just concerned what I saw on my visit and how a once great little city is declining due to a number of factors.

My partner says ‘Too Bad’ – it’s either NZ or Wellington that’s going to go down the gurgler if the coalition doesn’t attempt to right the mess left to them! Partner’s solution to saving Wellington is for all the remaining civil servants to voluntarily take a 10% pay cut and, to give business a chance, for the Wcc to reinstate all the parks they’ve taken out!!

I’m not trying to gloat having left Welly. Up in Auckland we have ram raiders, home invasions, drive by shootings, people getting racially slurred and assaulted on buses and the eagle helicopter flying overhead day and night trying to catch these lowlifes. So it’s not safe to walk the streets up there either.

Just thought I’d mention the alarming declining economic situation on the ground in Wellington.
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July 6, 2024 9:21am
- Pavel
  
  Auckland, and most big cities in nz, are no better. At least in Wellington I can walk around with my kids without being spat at by beggars. As I drive through Victoria Street in Hamilton I can always count more fluros than not and I feel extremely sad for retailers in Centre Place and Gardern Place as there’s just nobody around anymore. If you want to rent a shop in Tauranga or Whangarei you’re spoilt for choice as a third of the shops are empty but you’d be crazy to rent one as again, there’s nobody around except for all the loonies stealing and making life hell for retailers. Here’s my solution; a mandatory 6 months jail for anyone caught with less than a gram of P. Unlike the 80s, we no longer prosecute users and instead focus on the dealers yet it is the user’s who are supporting and encouraging the dealers. We need to put the fear back into people and if we jailed a user for 6 months they might think twice about going anywhere near it. I guarantee if this was implemented we would see a lot less anti social behavior. Theres too many drug addicts hanging around our big cities destroying the social fabric of our societies. It’s time to say enough and deal with this plauge. Take the crackheads off the street and only then will we see change otherwise things are going to get a lot worse. Not prosecuting users has been the best thing for dealers.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:55am
  - marcw
    
    We are at a crossroad – we have communities, small towns, institutions, homes, families and individuals being destroyed by illegal drug use. The only way to stop this descent into anarchy is to cut off the supply of the drug trade.
    
    If we want to get serious about this, then we need to jail for life without parole (LWOP) any one caught importing, manufacturing, or distributing class A drugs.
    
    It’s a stark choice, but if the community is to have any chance to recover, it is this or we surrender. I hear today that 4 people found dead in Australia had fentanyl type synthetic narcotics in their postmortem samples. This is the future if we don’t change.
    
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    July 6, 2024 11:28am
    - Master Mariner
      
      In all honesty that is the only solution , I believe.
      
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      July 6, 2024 1:14pm
- cmm
  
  ” maybe they need to tai ho on the public service cuts for a bit unless they want to see the total shutdown of this town”
  
  No, rather cut once, cut deep than drag it out over multiple years.
  
  While they might have cash to flash at restaurants, these people are not productive.
  
  Think about it this way. It probably takes 2 extra civil servants to provide 1 retail/restaurant worker job.
  
  Is it really worth spending, say, $300,000 on two more civil servants to keep 1 waiter in a job? Or is it better to just pay an extra $50 for that restaurant meal?
  
  I’d say it makes far more sense to pay another $50 on the meal than try to tilt the field by spending $300k on unproductive civil servants.
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not only unproductive, they are not Net Taxpayers.
    At the end of the day The Public Sector do not pay Tax, it is numbers on paper for the creative accountants to massage.
    
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    July 6, 2024 11:15am
    - cmm
      
      Exactly right. Civil servants are tax absorbers.
      Some provide very useful services (nurses etc) but they are in the minority.
      
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      July 6, 2024 11:30am
  - miltonF
    
    Bet me to it CMM. I have the same exact thoughts.
    
    Why pay someone to do nothing, in the hopes that they will spend money into the economy? (Financial stimulation -result inflation) Why not just distribute the money directly to businesses via a tax cut? Same income received but without the inflation.
    
    The “public servant” appears to be a completely redundant and harmful middle man in this situation.
    
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    July 6, 2024 12:15pm
- Paulus
  
  Whilst Wellington Moral’s are suspect I believe you mean Morale.
  
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  July 6, 2024 11:03am
Maggie Pie

Should we be concerned?

A bestie has raised a question in relation to Amendments to the ‘Immigration Act 2024’
as it relates to…. Mass Arrivals.

It appears that anyone arriving in the counrty without correct documentation,
can no longer be held in detention by the police, or in prison, while their bona-fides
are established.

https://x.com/shouldveknown11/status/1809020170033377562

What would happen if say a boatload of Palestinians were to wash up on Mission Bay?
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July 6, 2024 9:21am
- JackRabbit
  
  What would happen if say a boatload of Palestinians were to wash up on Mission Bay?
  
  Disappear into the undergrowth and find a home in the Labour or Greens party. They are short of replacements.
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:26am
  - cmm
    
    “Disappear into the undergrowth ”
    
    Nope, you have that wrong.
    
    They would walk up to the local WINZ office (whatever it is called now) and demand housing, welfare and grants for cellphones,
    
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    July 6, 2024 10:16am
    - JackRabbit
      
      CMM, The “undergrowth” I was referring to was the general population of NZ.
      
      And when I say “find a home in the Labour or Greens party” I don’t mean solely as voters.
      
      How many of the current and past Green MPs, and some Labour MPs are/were self entitled immigrants?
      
      You can arrive by boat or plane and rock up an vote in our general elections the next day.
      
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      July 6, 2024 5:44pm
  - Albie
    
    Wrong Jackrabbit. There would be much flag waving and outrage by Chloe and The Member for Tijuana et al that something must be done, but house them, not on your nelly.
    They would demand the government – read taxpayers- stump up for the required accommodation.
    Can you imagine Chloe and her sanctimonious compadres sharing their Farrow sourced dinner and Cloudy Bay Chardonnay with a bunch of unwashed boat people?
    
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    July 6, 2024 5:54pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Metaphorically “The Member for Tijuana” as well as GG were ~~boat~~ plane people.
      
      Can you imagine Chloe and her sanctimonious comrades sharing their Farrow sourced dinner and Cloudy Bay Chardonnay with a bunch of unwashed boat people?
      
      Yep. So long as they commit to creating a marxist state. Unwashed ~~boat~~ plane people are already here, apart from GG and the Mexican, many have arrived in NZ by canoe from Aotearoa.
      
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      July 6, 2024 6:19pm
- AitchW
  
  Maggie, we should say “Release the hounds”.
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:42am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Head straight for Remuera?
  
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  July 6, 2024 11:44am
- MCōs
  
  “What would happen if say a boatload of Palestinians were to wash up on Mission Bay?”
  
  The only boat that’s ever likely to wash up anywhere is the Interislander
  
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  July 6, 2024 12:50pm
MCōs

Charismatic Posie Parker stood in Bristol Central for the Party of Women and picked up 196 votes
The winner was Carla Denyer of the Green Party
https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/07/05/posie-parker-general-election-party-of-women-deposit/
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July 6, 2024 9:27am
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  Disappointing number of votes to be honest. But the point of standing was probably more to have a presence at hustings and force other candidates to defend their ridiculous positions on gender.
  
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  July 6, 2024 6:07pm
TripeWryter

I read this story. It seems the problem is that the kindergarten is not being ‘Maori enough’.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350332950/education-ministry-goes-too-far-stripping-kindy-licence
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July 6, 2024 9:31am
- TripeWryter
  
  To the poster greybeard: my apologies, I had missed that you’d already put this up.
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:04am
- rouppe
  
  As determined by a ministry head that had dived chin first into her culture
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How about a little fun?
Let’s jump on this merry-go-round.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJTgFgd01ns
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July 6, 2024 9:38am
Yvette

The humble road cone has inspired an 18-metre sculpture which will be set alight in Nevada.
Coney McConeface is an 18-metre road cone that is being built by a team of New Zealanders for the infamous Burning Man Festival.
“It’s definitely been designed to be made in a structurally simple way to be a kitset, basically a giant Lego set. It’s made of wood and it will be painted on top,” he said.
Every year, tens of thousands of people flock to the desert for the festival, where they create a makeshift city that is then set on fire.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521430/burning-man-nz-artists-building-18m-road-cone-to-light-up-nevada-desert

Another misguided farce – “it is made of wood”
Not of road cones, themselves?
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July 6, 2024 9:40am
- Ghost
  
  Laughing, just saw an artist preview Of Coney McConeface
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-A0j1QAJj9k
  
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  July 6, 2024 9:47am
Surely Knott

Gurdheep Singh, Jewellery shop owner who was attacked with a hammer, says “he blames the parents” and is “angry with the criminal justice system”.

Good man Mr Singh. You and all of NZ. That is where the blame lies and we are sick of it.

And what is the name of these violent young men and why isn’t there face in the paper.

I note Simeon Brown appeared with the kid who had his teeth knocked out on the bus.
But where is the woman who did it? Why hasn’t she been arrested and named.

And the man who assaulted and hospitalised an elderly woman on Federal street was arrested but police/media/the elites, continue to suppress the outcome of the arrest, and his name and photo.

Yesterday the two men (stepfather/stepson) who violently assaulted and held underwater a man on a boat were named as “Joshua Russell and Malachai Rae” There was no photos however. But a quick facebook shows they are a man on his rebel mc motorbike with a gang regalia, and his son dressed in young gangster look street style clothes giving the finger as his facebook profile.
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July 6, 2024 10:09am
- Ghost
  
  She hasn’t been arrested, because, ummm, they dont know who she is, which is why her photos were released for people to help ID her.
  
  4 of those charged with the jewelry robbery were minors, you won’t get their info because of their age.
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:25am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Yip agree they say they don’t know who she is. Sure. Maybe if we wait a few more days they will find her , but I doubt it. But they know who the guy is that smashed the elderly lady on federal st. He’s been arrested. So why wasn’t he named.
    
    And sadly seems they haven’t found the people who bashed the disabled lady in broad daylight in the cbd either. Don’t have description Or cctv. https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350317119/auckland-woman-disability-brazenly-attacked-broad-daylight
    
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    July 6, 2024 11:28am
    - Ghost
      
      Probably know him when he’s before the court. Last I read he was denied bail. Which is interesting, it was just an assualt. I do wonder what else there is to keep him locked up for. Mental health? Other crimes?
      
      I’m surprised the bus woman hasn’t handed herself in yet.
      
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      July 6, 2024 11:36am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m surprised the bus woman hasn’t handed herself in yet
        
        I’m pretty sure she will be another consumer of our mental health services.
        She mightn’t have much recall of her actions 24 hours ago, let alone 8 days ago.
        
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        July 6, 2024 12:51pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Reasonable chance these perps are seriously mentally ill (and/or brain-fried due to meth abuse). There needs to be secure facilities for people afflicted as such. Unless we want the current open-air free-range national mental asylum model to continue.
        
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        July 6, 2024 2:22pm
  - Mr Nobody NZ
    
    It took a week for the Police to release images of the wanted person in Pakuranga. In the meantime the police and media released the victims sex, age ethnicity, eye colour, hair colour, build, height, suburb of residence and a photo.
    
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    July 6, 2024 6:35pm
cmm

I have just submitted my tax returns for the year. It looks like I made an oopsie and overpaid my provisional tax and made y’all a $14k loan.
You’re welcome.
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July 6, 2024 10:14am
- rouppe
  
  Well you’ll get it back so…
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:16am
  - cmm
    
    Like I said, a loan.
    The IRD gets to keep the interest.
    
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    July 6, 2024 10:40am
    - peterwn
      
      IRD does pay a bit of interest on overpaid provisional tax, but not as much as the interest they charge if you are in arrears.
      
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      July 6, 2024 1:57pm
- AitchW
  
  That 14k could have cut a year or two off your mortgage. Instead you give IRD an interest free loan.
  Prov tax is a big fat rort.
  
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  July 6, 2024 1:40pm
Maggie Pie

And if you happen to drive a *TOYOTA PRIUS*
people might start looking at you a lot differently….

thankx to Missouri’s Secretary-of-State Valentina Gomez 😎

https://x.com/ValentinaForSOS/status/1808584119309238307
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July 6, 2024 10:33am
- Jethrod
  
  Right there is the US ‘s greatest problem:-
  the flaunting of a weapon of mass destruction, a boastful person who wants public office and someone who has scant regard for anything!
  
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  July 6, 2024 10:48am
  - Swifty
    
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_mass_destruction
    
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    July 6, 2024 1:43pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  She’s carrying an SUV-thug equaliser.
  
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  July 6, 2024 2:23pm
cmm

I am currently reading a book called “Why We Fight” by Mike Martin.

This is a very interesting look at the underpinnings of why some young people (mostly males) are drawn to group-based violent behaviour – be that military or gangs.

Evolutionary wise you’d think that fighting is a dumb idea. You risk getting killed which is not a good thing for the continuation of your genes.

But for low status people this can be a short cut to enhanced status (and thus access to resources – including reproductive access). It is also a way to belong to a protective group.

While Mike Martin is now somewhat of an academic, he is not an ivory tower academic. He was a soldier for a period of his life – including combat in Afghanistan – so he has some first hand experience to draw on.

For anyone wanting to understand why young men are drawn to gangs, and potentially what we can do as a society to address this, I would recommend this book.

I would suggest that militarised schools (eg. militarised charter schools) are one way in which younger people (males in particular) can fill this need for status and belonging without entering the destructive world of gangs.
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July 6, 2024 10:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is one on the Shore in Albany.
  Attendance rate is high, they don’t skip school. Te Reo is elective as are 6 other subjects. Gives a great choice. No fees. It is not a boarding school or a private school.
  So good that the kids want to go to school. They just can’t wait for Monday morning.
  Not just for ‘bad’ kids, anyone can go. I used to see them on my way to work. Happy bunch of kids.
  NZ needs more of this type of school. I don’t know if there are others.
  
  https://vanguard.school.nz/
  https://vanguard.school.nz/our-school/faq
  
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  July 6, 2024 11:42am
  - peterwn
    
    But Chris Hipkins hates these schools because his teacher union cronies hate them.
    
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    July 6, 2024 1:59pm
    - Keith White
      
      We could do – and we do – worse than fund anything Hipkins reflexively hates.
      
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      July 6, 2024 4:59pm
thirteenstars

Who’s moist with anticipation over the launch of Stuff’s ThreeNews tonight? I’ll be watching the Warriors and then the All Blacks while its on so I guess I’ll have to wait for John Campbell’s breathless report about the saving of democracy or some other inane hot take.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/culture/350334211/watch-sneak-peek-threenews-launching-tonight

Lots of references to the people and things you’re “used to”.

I think they should aim higher.
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July 6, 2024 10:41am
AitchW

I wonder if the government has given some thought to giving the kids at the Youth Academies some inspiration from people other than rugby players and rappers?
Let them listen to someone who has succeeded in life by means other than kicking a ball or recording anti social lyrics.
Give them a glimpse into a life where you actually respect, and have the respect of, decent people.
But most importantly show them that they can climb out of a life of indolence, violence and drugs.
Then, after they leave the academy, support them to make that climb.
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July 6, 2024 10:51am
Handyman

I was super impressed about how the Uk run their elections.
Ballot boxes are returned to a central location managed by the returning officer. No booth counting and phoning through tallies.
The rooms look highly organised and people seem to know their roles.
It is very open and visible process. BBC had hundreds of live camera feeds.
The result of each electorate is declared publicly on the night.
Within hours of the overall result being known, the outgoing PM tenders his resignation to the King who then calls on the election winner to form a government.

Ignoring MMP..
No waiting weeks to have the votes “officially” counted by experts.
No waiting weeks for the “specials” to be counted. The UK has specials but they manage to vote on any of the 30 days leading up to election.
Where did we go wrong?

Waiting for MMP haggling takes long enough without adding weeks of delay counting votes.
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July 6, 2024 10:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It takes a long time in NZ because the vote counters can’t count.//
  
  No Dominion counting machines in the UK? Shame. They can give a result before the main votes come in.
  
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  July 6, 2024 11:47am
  - Sir Henry Morgan
    
    It also takes a long time in New Zealand because the volunteers who do it must swear fealty to a new and heavily politicized interpretation of the Treaty of Waitangi – sorry, I mean “Te Tiriti”. Hence many either cannot be bothered or have become conscientious objectors.
    
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    July 6, 2024 6:13pm
Pineapple Lumps

A 40yr old man I know had a heart attack this week. His heart problems began after receiving his second Covid vaccine. Initially the health professionals denied any connection. Earlier this year after an episode they acknowledged it is a vaccine injury. He is lucky to be alive after this weeks attack.

The thing is he is the second person I know suffering from a vaccine injury. That is the second person I know who has disclosed that. There will be others reticent to disclose as they still fear the label of anti-vaxxer bestowed by the masses.

I know many of you have had the vaccine and had no issues. So you use this to show there isn’t a problem with the vaccine. But arguing this way is like a cigarette smoker denying that smoking causes harm because they haven’t got lung cancer. Being an apologist for the vaccine, Pfizer etc is actually causing harm in our society, as those who are suffering with vaccine injuries struggle to get their plight acknowledged.

The mandates were a great evil, perpetuated by the complying masses. This evil continues now as the truth of the extent of the harms that have been caused are covered up.

The two people I know who have been harmed, sub 50 year olds would never have died from Covid. To have been pressured to have a Safe and Effective vaccine that was known to cause heart issues was wrong.

The health system and the media were at the centre of promotion of these Safe and Effective treatments. In fact they are still promoting the boosters today! No wonder they are not ready to front foot the situation that is going on. That is why I feel it is important that I share the story of these two men with you today. They are real people. These are real harms. Fair minded NZers must wake up to the deceit that is going on.
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July 6, 2024 11:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  When you say he had a “heart attack”, was this related to the known myocarditis effect of the vaccine, or was it something else?
  
  I am sorry for what happened to your friend. If it is myocarditis, he is very unfortunate. However, the incidence of myocarditis caused by COVID itself is 5 times the incidence of myocarditis caused by the vaccine. That is not a statistic that the anti vaccine crowd are keen to acknowledge.
  
  I agree that the mandates were terribly wrong. They fuelled vaccine conspiracy theories, which have worsened existing paranoia about childhood vaccines. We now have 1 in 5 parents withholding routine childhood vaccines. We have 40 percent of parents withholding the HPV vaccine. This is a vaccine that will offer 99 percent protection against cervical cancer. Why?
  
  The best case scenario is that it will now take a generation to correct this irrational fear of vaccines. Sadly, Jacinda and her cheer leaders carry much of the blame for that.
  
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  July 6, 2024 11:30am
  - cmm
    
    ” They fuelled vaccine conspiracy theories, which have worsened existing paranoia about childhood vaccines.”
    
    Partially, but I would say it is rather distrust of the medical system in general. They lied about this. What else are they lying about?
    
    Remember Cindy equating the trustworthiness of the Covid vax with other vaccinations? Well that comes back to bite. If people were mislead about the Covid vax, then why would they trust the other childhood vaccines either?
    
    Trust is like virginity. One prick and its gone.
    
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    July 6, 2024 11:38am
    - cmm
      
      And to be clear, I am not dissing childhood vaccines.
      
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      July 6, 2024 11:39am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      People were mislead about the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine in preventing transmission. Fortunately, the data and analysis quickly exposed that deception.
      
      But you can’t have it both ways. The data allowed us to expose Jacinda lying to us. However the data also shows the 50 year success of the MMR and other vaccines.
      
      Here is an idea. Stop listening to politicians. Read peer reviewed literature.
      
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      July 6, 2024 11:55am
      - Yvette
        
        How the immune system functions featured in work I was involved with in the 1980s – connected to cancer research. That experience informs a little publicised factor in Ardern’s promotions of the covid vaccine –that the by-then traditional vaccine practice was extended in the actual antigen agent being a chemical formulation of the covid spike, and further that this artificial spike is introduced into cells to multiply up the agent, as cells do for normal antibody production, to the millions of copies needed to identify real covid viruses for immune system destruction, when they arrive.
        
        Unfortunately the lack of fuller information: that the covid injection was traditional vaccine process with modern modifications (artificial antigen spike and the last part of manufacture – the multiplication of up of ‘anti-bodies’ – being left to the immune system itself) has led to rejection of vaccines altogether for many people.
        
        So many protective ‘traditional’ vaccination measures are now jeopardised by the inadequate publicity Ardern’s government provided – especially considering the number of times we saw dopey ads with kissing lesbians and fireworks, skinny dipping and other memes, rather than full sensible information, itself of an informed position. Many people had to make a choice, but not a fully informed choice.
        
        You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, and they may remain fooled for all of the time unless those who were not fooled speak out. The situation is likely to happen again …
        
        As you recommend, Benedict –
        Here is an idea. Stop listening to politicians. Read peer reviewed literature.
        
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        July 6, 2024 1:01pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        A question I have asked you twice before and you still haven’t answered is –
        
        Are you aware that Medsafe were unable to approve the Pfizer vaccine due to there being insufficient safety data?
        
        After Medsafe reached the decision they could not approve the vaccine the approval was given by a small committee of unnamed people. OIAs for disclosure of this have been rejected on the grounds it would make these individuals targets. Was Bloomfield or Ardern or Hipkins or Luxon on this small secret committee?
        
        After this committee approved the vaccine the push to vaccinate was relentlessly accompanied by the words Safe and Effective. Biggest Lie Ever!
        
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        July 6, 2024 1:10pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Peer review can by corrupted by narrative enforcement (IE dissenters are not published and/or fired).
        
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        July 6, 2024 2:33pm
  - Sparrow
    
    What I would like to know if the vaccine did not prevent Covid and in some people it caused serious medical harm why take it ?
    I had the two initial jabs plus one booster all years ago. Have had Covid twice since one only last month. Fortunately no serious harm. I am not anti vax.
    I also have a friend who is still suffering serious medical complications after having just one jab years ago. Also know many people who lost their livelihoods because of their refusals.
    
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    July 6, 2024 12:11pm
  - miltonF
    
    Still in denial and pushing big pharma conspiracy theories I see BY.
    
    No, Covid does not cause myocarditis at a rate higher than the “vaccine”. Quite the opposite in fact. Also, the “vaccine” doesn’t prevent Covid. So now you’ve exposed yourself to the risk of myocarditis twice, unnecessarily.
    
    I realise that you are scared about what you’ve done to your body, and probably feeling quite guilty for your past support of this “vaccine” and vaccine mandates etc, but at some point you have to accept the blindingly obvious reality.
    
    You trusted very bad people who knew exactly what they were doing. Sorry mate.
    
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    July 6, 2024 12:29pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Ben – I don’t know if it is peri or myocarditis. But yes the vaccine has caused inflammation in tissues of the heart, so it is one of those.
    
    When you say “the incidence of myocarditis caused by COVID itself is 5 times the incidence of myocarditis caused by the vaccine”. Are you certain you are quoting statistics on a like for like basis? The maths from my sample and your statistics would give 10 Covid injured people in my sample group and at least 5 hospitalisations with severe cardiac arrest, yet there are none. So where are all these Covid injured people? Are those between the age of 49-55 having heart attacks at the same rate as the vaccine injured?
    
    Even if your statistic is correct, if all the cardiac events are in the group that are most susceptible to Covid ie the 80+ years olds then this is important to understand. The ministry of health and media shouldn’t be targeting the general population with Covid vaccine advertising. Every day on Newstalk as I drive to and from work these adverts are still being played.
    
    I don’t have all the facts but the two men I know with severe harms from Covid vaccines are real. They are relatively young men and on the sample group that I am in contact with would have been better off without the vaccine.
    
    So please point me to the data that shows that men aged 40-55 and unvaccinated are more severely effected by Covid than those with vaccine injuries.
    
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    July 6, 2024 12:48pm
  - mandk
    
    ” … the incidence of myocarditis caused by COVID itself is 5 times the incidence of myocarditis caused by the vaccine.”
    
    How can you know this? There is no requirement for adverse events associated with the vaxx to be notified.
    
    Doctors have more than enough to do without filling in and submitting forms they don’t need to.
    
    Moreover, how do you know that myocarditis following COVID is not the result of the vaxx creating a predisposition to the condition?
    
    Most people who have myocarditis following COVID will have had the vaxx.
    
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    July 6, 2024 2:53pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      And that is why I keep on saying NZ Data is invaluable to discredit Vaccine causes these and other effects.
      For not doing so leads you to the conclusion the “Vaccine” is more responsible for these illnesses.
      Why?
      NZ had a mostly vaccinated population BEFORE the onset of Covid.
      How hard is it too really join the dots?
      On another interesting side note a Dutch Data analynist has done some interesting work.
      All OIA / Fioa requested data.
      Begs the question why you need OIA requests in the first place ?
      
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      July 6, 2024 4:21pm
  - Keith White
    
    “ However, the incidence of myocarditis caused by COVID itself is 5 times the incidence of myocarditis caused by the vaccine. ”
    
    Wholly incorrect.
    
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    July 6, 2024 5:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I had two jabs just to get that fucking silly passport.
  I did see Ardern on TV virtue signaling getting her jab. Hey, what was in her injection?
  Covid vax or saline. She tells lies remember.
  
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  July 6, 2024 11:52am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Well I had 6 jabs. What Jacinda did or said did not feature.
    
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    July 6, 2024 11:57am
    - Bridgenag
      
      The smart ones got an exemption 11,000
      
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      July 6, 2024 12:25pm
      - kevn
        
        Bridge… Indeed. Unbelievably, 11,000 in the Ministry of Health all signed off by the gonged ‘health’ director. Along with a large group of medical professional up north.
        
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        July 6, 2024 1:15pm
      - MCōs
        
        From what I understand approximately 22,000 medical workers were mandated to get vaccinated and about half obtained exemptions.
        That means there are two easily traceable groups of people that can be surveyed to find out the consequences of being vaccinated or not.
        I’m sure if members of one or other group had died in great numbers the information would be hard to suppress
        
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        July 6, 2024 3:38pm
    - miltonF
      
      That’s a lie Ben. Gee you’re funny. Jacinda was literally saying the same exact thing as all of the “experts”.
      
      Please tell me which info you based your decision to be “vaccinated” and how this differed from Ardern’s advice.
      
      Can’t, can you?
      
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      July 6, 2024 12:37pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Yes and the cigarette industry can roll out a 100 year old that has smoked every day of their life to promote the benefits of smoking.
      
      Is your view on the vaccine shaped completely by your own experience? Are you aware of the huge variations in vaccine injuries of different batches of the vaccine?
      
      The two men I know with severe vaccine injuries are real. Your 6 jabs do not negate their suffering!!!
      
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      July 6, 2024 12:55pm
    - lifesgood
      
      What the heck?!!! I had 3 that were forced on me. Won’t have another one.
      
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      July 6, 2024 1:13pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Keep away from the Pork Belly //.
      Whoops couldnt help myself.
      
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      July 6, 2024 4:23pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      @Benedict Yu @ 11:57AM
      
      Ditto.
      
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      July 6, 2024 5:28pm
  - Ghost
    
    I had none. Didn’t stop me doing anything. No one cared
    
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    July 6, 2024 12:48pm
    - rouppe
      
      This means:
      1. You don’t have a job where they require it (I’m assuming you do have a job)
      2. You didn’t have to travel internationally during the peak madness.
      
      I got the two jabs and one booster early in the piece because i had a trip to se Asia planned and couldn’t travel without it.
      
      I recall many small businesses demanding to see your vaccine certificate before they served you. So not quite sure how that never affected you
      
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      July 6, 2024 1:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        It means many business didn’t give a shit about arderns rules.
        
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        July 6, 2024 2:01pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Many many people got the arse from long term careers because they didn’t want to risk the prototype vaccines and basically didn’t trust the pack of idiots and wreckers we last had in govt.
      
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      July 6, 2024 1:55pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Ghost have you had Covid? If so how many times?
      
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      July 6, 2024 2:27pm
      - Ghost
        
        I haven’t had it
        
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        July 6, 2024 2:39pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I only had 2 shots of AZ back in 2021. Just got my first Covid infection.
        
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        July 6, 2024 3:02pm
      - Ghost
        
        I thought I’d get it a month ago. Walked into my physio after she had a client in with it. Been around it, just never caught it
        
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        July 6, 2024 3:12pm
    - wsk12345
      
      As a remote worker I was fired. Never ever met my work colleagues in person! But I was a danger to them….
      
      I’ve never recovered financially from this. Probably I need to move to Wellington or Auckland or have a career change – the former isn’t an option for family reasons, the latter would require return to uni which for a good dose of indoctrination with my degree.
      
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      July 6, 2024 2:51pm
      - Sir Henry Morgan
        
        Sorry to hear that. The whole Wuhan virus episode was so disgusting.
        
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        July 6, 2024 6:19pm
- Inandout
  
  PL, a family friend early 70s had a flu jab and two days later lost the use of her legs, probably permanently. I have no opinion other than to say I treat those radio ads for flu with a tad suspicion.
  
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  July 6, 2024 1:22pm
Maggie Pie

THE HORRID’S SHAYNE CURRY TAKING THE PISS 😀

‘One of NZ televsion BIGGEST STARS, Paddy Gower, has been told he has missed out
on funding for a new season of his current affairs show – leaving his immediate future uncertain on one of NZ media’s saddest days”

– NZH Premium
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July 6, 2024 11:10am
- cmm
  
  With that face for radio one wonders how he ever got to be one of NZ’s biggest TV stars.
  
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  July 6, 2024 11:34am
  - AitchW
    
    That 14k could have cut a year or two for your mortgage. Instead you give IRD an interest free loan.
    Prov tax is a big fat rort.
    
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    July 6, 2024 1:45pm
  - AitchW
    
    Perhaps some are able to see past his ugly mug and hear the message. Not everyone expects their tv newsreaders to be pin up girls and boys…..
    
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    July 6, 2024 1:46pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Search for his interview with Lauren Southern on YouTube.
  
  I hope he goes away.
  
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  July 6, 2024 11:59am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Lauren Southern is an interesting commentator, not an extremist but prepared to call things as she sees them without fear or favour. Listening to her tale of how she’s been persecuted and mistreated by the woke anti-right wing brigades within western govts over last 5 years is both scary and sickening.
    
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    July 6, 2024 3:31pm
  - Sir Henry Morgan
    
    That was the first time I actually noticed him. He was unbelievable that day.
    
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    July 6, 2024 6:20pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Stars???? Chunder!
  
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  July 6, 2024 1:57pm
- mandk
  
  Paddy would be better suited to reporting for one of those ghastly mags you see at the check out in Pak n Save.
  
  You know, the ones that have headlines like: “Princess Kate’s despair – William seen with old flame.”
  
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  July 6, 2024 2:44pm
kingerstinger

If you want yet more proof of how deluded and self-congratulatory Newshub were right till the end, take a read of this.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/newshubs-lisette-reymer-filmed-labour-victory-piece-weeks-before-election/RJR7GIXIMNHJPEFNLPZX6RKD7I/

Their correspondent faked a live cross on their final bulletin so she could fly home for a piss up at the end with her journo mates. That’s disgraceful.
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July 6, 2024 11:52am
- thirteenstars
  
  Literally fake news.
  
  Reymer is one of those hired to stay on for Stuff’s new 6pm bulletin.
  
  Rumour has it there’s a similar fake piece from 2016 where she announces Hillary Clinton’s presidential victory.
  
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  July 6, 2024 1:20pm
- rouppe
  
  I’m not too fazed about it because
  1. She was right
  2. She was up front about it
  
  It’s when they take the piss. Like those on 7 sharp calling themselves comedians
  
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  July 6, 2024 1:29pm
kevn

Anything can happen…
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/biden-campaign-drop-out-july-5
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July 6, 2024 12:18pm
- thirteenstars
  
  “Biden answered nobody told him he had to take a neurological test because they said he was good.”
  
  Different standard for Trump during his presidency when the media pestered him with demands to have a cognitive test. So he did, and aced it.
  
  In the debate he mentioned that fact and challenged Biden to do the same. I guess it’s not happening.
  
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  July 6, 2024 1:23pm
Sparrow

Doing some very rough maths on the back of an envelope ref UK election. It appears that Labour had a resounding victory. Which they did with the FPP system which they operate. Digging deeper they did not. They only recieved roughly the votes of 20% of the voting population. It was about 34% of those that took the time to vote. What’s more bizarre is the Reform Party recieved more votes than the Liberal but only got 5MPs compared to the LebDems who got over 70. What a wacky system.Hardly democratic. Pleased we changed with all its faults.
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July 6, 2024 1:12pm
- kowtow
  
  And te legacy media in the UK will continue to treat the empty nothings of the Lib Dems seriously , though they have less of a democratic mandate while
  continuing to pour scorn on Farage and Reform.
  
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  July 6, 2024 1:33pm
- NothingLeft
  
  I think STV is better than FPP. Gets rid of the fringe crazy tails wagging the centrist dog.
  
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  July 6, 2024 1:55pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    I voted STV.
    
    At least the Pollies have to campaign and get voted in.
    
    Under MMP they can be voted out of an electorate and then get back in on the list!!!! THey cab stay in Parliament as long as they keep their boots clean so we have time servers like Little, M-M, Davidson etc etc
    
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    July 6, 2024 2:09pm
    - mandk
      
      “Under MMP they can be voted out of an electorate and then get back in on the list!!!! ”
      
      That’s the worst aspect of MMP. Someone can be resoundingly rejected by voters and then lord it over them as a Minister of the Crown.
      
      Politicians should either stand in an electorate, or on the list, not both.
      
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      July 6, 2024 2:40pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It would appear the sheeple in Aus only understand STV on a very low resolution level. This is how Aus now has wall to wall “Labor” and is going down the toilet, even though a minority actually voted for them as first choice. I don’t think people even know that if you want to keep these idiots away from the levers of power you have to preference them at the bottom of the list with all the other dregs/insane parties!
    
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    July 6, 2024 2:39pm
- mogg
  
  Quite right but the foxes are now in the henhouse, and Starmer has indefensible positions in many important areas. Labour are the party of Wokery and identity politics, their history of mass immigration and multiculturalism is despised/hated outside of London yet they have said it’s going to be more of the same. Farage is going to have plenty of opportunity to ask questions to which they have no answer. The frightening thing is now the sectarian voting and blatant racism in this election which is now rampant in Labour’s Muslim areas.
  
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  July 6, 2024 2:47pm
Yvette

President Biden dismissed doubts about his re-election bid and said that only “the Lord Almighty” could drive him from the race.

Is it not like the story of the rising flood waters and an old man forced to move from his rocking chair on the verandah, to the higher furniture, next upstairs to the second floor, then to the roof, and as he moved, he rejected help from people in a row boat, then a police launch and finally a helicopter, each time saying “No, my God will save me!”
And then as the floodwaters claimed his life he cried “Where were you Lord?! Why did you not save me?”
And a deep voice echoed around him and sayeth “I sent you a row boat, a police launch and then finally a helicopter … What more did you want?”

What greater sign from “the Lord Almighty”, than his recent warning behaviour, does President Biden need?

(And he seems to have up to seven helicopters at his disposal, including a Sikorsky VH-3D Sea King, and a White Hawk if they are needed!)
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July 6, 2024 1:50pm
Jack5

Rwanda has been paid 270 million pounds (about $NZ563 million), under the UK illegal-migrant scheme just cancelled by the new Labour Government. It was to have paid another 100 million pounds ($NZ208 million) in total this year and next.

John Key, a former hot-shot Wall Street trader, agreed to take gatecrashers from the Australian detention centres for nothing!

Under the Rwanda scheme Britain was to send illegal immigrants or asylum seekers to Rwanda for processing, asylum, and resettlement. Those who were successful in claiming asylum would have remained in Rwanda, and would not have been permitted to return to the UK.

A Parliamentary Act over-ruled British courts which ruled the scheme illegal.
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July 6, 2024 1:59pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “just cancelled by the new Labour Government.”
  
  OK so Britain has a boat people problem a la the Australian one. Aus Labor under Rudd tried the grand-standing alleged “kindness” approach and caused Aus to be a magnet for people smugglers from Indonesia (for migrants country shopping and country hopping). 1000s drowned in crap boats and Aus got flooded with unaffordable and ever increasing gatecrashers (aided an abetted by the loony left media and open-boarders activists). In the end LABOR had to adopt the Centre Right method of “if you come by boat you will sent to offshore detention where you can either hang around there ad infinitum, or wait in the queue like every other global refugee to be sent to a country that will take you, or you can simply go back to where you came from at any time.” Many were economic refugees.
  
  Back when the border gatecrashing was a huge problem costing ever more billions, I once asked lefty (former) friend “what percentage of our GDP should we spend on undocumented and uninvited border gatecrashers? 2%? 10%? All, until we are bankrupt? ” He of-course wouldn’t answer and flew into an apoplectic rage. So typical.
  
  Britain has just voted to have their country severely rooted. Heaven help them.
  
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  July 6, 2024 2:53pm
All_on_Red

I wonder if KBers could do a fellow Kiwi a favour
A guy called Gareth started a You Tube channel a few years ago on Trout fishing. He is a Guide. I don’t fish but watch occasionally as the countryside is gorgeous, the fishing good and he films quite well- considering he is an amateur.
He is close to 100,000 subscribers which is pretty good.
So please subscribe and help him get over 100,000 as that will make a big difference to his income
Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/@TroutHuntingNZ
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July 6, 2024 2:36pm
NothingLeft

Is Kamala going to be the first politician to rise to the top job specifically because she sucked?
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July 6, 2024 3:25pm
Ghost

Damn.

Months after the so-called “mother of all breaches” was uncovered in January, another record-breaking leak has been posted online. According to the Cybernews research team, a password compilation containing nearly 10 billion unique plaintext passwords (9,948,575,739 to be exact) was published on a hacker forum on July 4th.

Article
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July 6, 2024 4:24pm
- JackRabbit
  
  From that link:
  It’s always worth checking HaveIBeenPwned.com every month or so to see if your passwords need to be updated due to your online accounts being compromised.
  
  To check if you have been pwned, or your passwords used by others, they ask for your email address, mobile phone, usernames, and passwords, which then go into their online Cloud database.
  
  HaveIBeenPwned. No, but you will be if you give them your credentials.
  
  Giving a third party the keys to your kingdom, no matter how all American, clean and green they appear, violates the most basic rules of security.
  
  [1] Don’t share your passwords with anyone!
  
  [2] It is not IF the Cloud will be hacked, it is WHEN and HOW often.
  
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  July 6, 2024 6:33pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350334270/kiwi-reporter-lisette-reymer-filmed-uk-labour-victory-weeks-ago

Here is MY prediction, weeks before it happens.

Lisette Reymer will be replaced as European correspondent in the next 4 weeks due to contractual and financial issues with “Stuff”.
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July 6, 2024 4:59pm
Ghost

Does stuff need to tell people how to turn their tv on to watch stuffed news

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350334291/threenews-how-watch-new-6pm-tv-bulletin

Oh well, on the positive side it will be the highest rating 30 minute news broadcast at 6pm
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July 6, 2024 5:12pm
Maggie Pie

$tuffed’s inaugural 6pm *News Bulletin* on TV3 @ 6pm.

Not to be missed! 😀
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July 6, 2024 5:35pm
- Ghost
  
  Coming soon, the stuffed news telethon, please donate to keep stuffed alive
  
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  July 6, 2024 6:07pm
  - MCōs
    
    Half an hour is a good start
    NZ news doesn’t need much more and if there’s something sensational they should have the capacity to run over time.
    Unfortunately it’s back to an hour during the week
    
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    July 6, 2024 6:14pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  It was an interesting exclusive interview on 3 that Paula Penfold had with the leader of ‘BOP-Black-Power’ ….Genesis Te Kuru White.
  He actually came across as a really inteligent guy.
  Told Paula he was in full agreemnt with the governments initiative to BAN gang patches.
  Said it wont be long till we see them all in…. Suits & Ties.
  
  My partner said someone needs to tell Genesis to get with the program. Ties went out of fashion more than 20 years ago!
  
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  July 6, 2024 6:39pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Wazzup in the ‘hood, Maggz?

http://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/06/police-search-for-thieves-who-ram-raided-remuera-store-overnight/
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July 6, 2024 6:22pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Disguusting behaviour by ‘you know who’ 🙁
  We’ve been there a couple of times….their Mushroom Risotto is to dye for.
  
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